Gods & Co talking about Prometheus so far | Hades 2 Olympus Update

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  • @chumunga648
    @chumunga648 Месяц назад +740

    it's really funny how Melinoe hates Prometheus and calls him a "traitorous wretch" but every other god is like "yeah, can't blame him"

    • @JOTUNN_101
      @JOTUNN_101 Месяц назад +210

      It because she wasn’t there to truly see, with her own eyes, what he did for mortals and she apparently doesn’t understand why Prometheus favors mortals over the gods so much.

    • @Sifya
      @Sifya Месяц назад

      ​@@JOTUNN_101 plus she is been indoctrinated from her birth "chronos is evil/killing chronos/gods are good/family is right ". She didn't have time and possibilities to grow her opinions by living for herself.
      For example zag likes his olympus family but don't worship it as Mel. He has also said olympus are a**hole. Seeing also hades telling bit a bit don't trust olympus.
      Olympus gods make a lot crimes and hades house has payed the price while they were doing just their jobs.

    • @falconeshield
      @falconeshield Месяц назад +22

      An friend of my archnemsis is my enemy logic

    • @chumunga648
      @chumunga648 Месяц назад +125

      @@JOTUNN_101 Melinoe is much more naive than Zagreus. I mean, it makes sense considering she's essentially she was born and raised with one goal but even Nemesis is having second thoughts about stopping Chronos since humanity was much happier during Chronos' role
      I think the game is nudging us to really think for ourselves about this. We have the friendlier gods like Poseidon and Apollo casually talking about sending floods and plagues because humanity is again siding with Chronos

    • @Lardo137
      @Lardo137 Месяц назад +45

      @@chumunga648 All the Chronos haters got REAL quiet since the update dropped lol

  • @comicalcosmonaut959
    @comicalcosmonaut959 Месяц назад +487

    At least the gods understand why Prometheus is fighting them

    • @analicious94
      @analicious94 Месяц назад +33

      @@comicalcosmonaut959 except for Zeus, the narcissism is too damn high

    • @comicalcosmonaut959
      @comicalcosmonaut959 Месяц назад +24

      @@analicious94 yeah I never expected HIM to understand lol

  • @kaylenvee8150
    @kaylenvee8150 Месяц назад +233

    It's interesting to me just how little sympathy Melinoe has for Prometheus. Like obviously she doesn't know the full story and there's animosity because he tries to kill her every run, but it really highlights the point Hecate made before about how she'd never forgive herself for molding Melinoe into a weapon, regardless of how their circumstances forced her to. She's naive about the nuances and grey areas of the world.
    In Melinoe's mind, you're either an ally who can help her and therefore she can let her guard down and be nice to you, or you're an enemy in her way, in which case, she writes you off as being undeserving of even a shred of kindness or empathy. It's useful during a time of war where you don't have time to think about anything outside your survival, and have to make a decision on the spot on whether this person is a friend or foe, and whether you should attack or not. But outside of it? She won't be able to get anywhere.
    THIS is why everyone in the game implies that Zagreus is better than Melinoe. Not because of his fighting prowess or humour or anything like that, it's his compassion and ability to easily connect with others. If he was here, imagine how many allies he'd be able to rally together to fight, just because he showed kindness and empathy towards them.

    • @scarletowl4556
      @scarletowl4556 Месяц назад +79

      Agreed, and her arc in the game will most likely be to come to realize the nuances she's too blind to see right now. In fact, I suspect that's the real reason Prometheus is backing Chronos. I imagine waging war on Olympus is quite cathartic, but Prometheus is a man of focus, and he calls Melinoe "Agent of Change". I suspect he wants to be her foil, so she can become someone who will bring positive change to the world.
      I think it's incredibly brave of the developers to give us a protagonist who actually acts like a greek god. Prideful and narrow-minded. Indifferent towards humanity. She's the complete opposite of her brother, and it says a lot that even Hecate understands the damage she's done to Melinoe.

    • @furious_boye
      @furious_boye Месяц назад +3

      Great analyses here

    • @muhammadazrafbinmohdakmam4772
      @muhammadazrafbinmohdakmam4772 Месяц назад +17

      But then again,Melinoe was born at the wrong time...Hades 1 is actually a relatively peaceful time,sure it started as Zag wanted to find his mother,but after that it's pretty much bonding activities time,without having to worry about waging war.
      But here,Melinoe barely know his mother & brother,and his father are in chains,Cerberus rampaging,their town was ruined by a Cyclops,even for a god that's too stressful for someone to handle.She can show some compassion for certain people,but during this time of war,all she thinks about are her & her loved ones safety.

    • @kaylenvee8150
      @kaylenvee8150 Месяц назад +19

      @@muhammadazrafbinmohdakmam4772 That's precisely the point. She has good reason to be so focused on the war, but that blinds her to extending any form of kindness or compassion to her enemies. Like think of Scrylla. It wouldn't kill her to compliment their songs even if they're still going to fight. And the Cyclops, she could've offered to heal his eyes or something. Might not change anything, but it doesn't hurt

    • @NaviRyan
      @NaviRyan Месяц назад +9

      That’s definitely why her arc is going to be understanding her “enemies” including in Prometheus. I find it hilarious because zagreus at first hates the lava snake then creates a pet name for it after so many runs. Since the game isn’t finished we’re at the stage where Melinoe is pissed off and naive.

  • @Lardo137
    @Lardo137 Месяц назад +184

    6:32 this is definitely the biggest "are we the baddies" moment yet
    "Oh that dastardly Prometheus, thinking of only himself and the peasants we allow to lick our feet! Such a selfish traitor cannot be suffered to live, clearly."

    • @JamesTobiasStewart
      @JamesTobiasStewart Месяц назад +59

      Yeah that was a bit of an awkward one wasn't it? I mean this whole video is essentially the gods acknowledging that they have no right to be surprised that Prometheus is against them and plenty of them ARE pretty damn dismissive of mortals (I mean look at Demeter, who punished them for something they didn't do, refuses to even use her human lover's name and speaks of them with indifference at best, active disdain at worst).
      Prometheus is one of the very few divine beings in the whole mythology who ever did anything for humanity, simply to be kind as opposed to for some purpose of their own... And our "heroic" Olympians punished him horrifically for it.

    • @borantandogan5524
      @borantandogan5524 Месяц назад +3

      ​@@JamesTobiasStewart the olympian gods are not good guys in tellings of myths anyway, they are practically forces of nature that are indifferent to humans at best and vindictive at worst so it tracks here.

  • @juanjosemendivil1626
    @juanjosemendivil1626 Месяц назад +166

    "I am shocked. Shocked! ...well, not that shocked" - everyone when they realized who's side Prometheus is on

  • @alejandroestrella5288
    @alejandroestrella5288 Месяц назад +399

    With Dora's dialogue it is indeed confirmed that she is Pandora. The fact that she is familiar with the name Prometheus but not because of his legend makes sense considering she married his brother Epimetheus..

    • @mitchellbutler2307
      @mitchellbutler2307 Месяц назад +22

      Didn’t Prometheus literally make her? Ofc in some versions he made all of humanity.

    • @alejandroestrella5288
      @alejandroestrella5288 Месяц назад +70

      Pandora was created by all the gods and given to her brother so that she could release the evils of the world inside the urn that contained them. In fact, the name Pandora means "she who has all the gifts" because all the gods contributed something to create her.
      That was Zeus's punishment to Epimetheus and humanity in general for the theft of fire by Prometheus.

    • @svnwukong
      @svnwukong Месяц назад +8

      ​@@mitchellbutler2307in most myths Pandora was created by gods to punish humans(with her box) for taking the gift from Prometheus.

    • @NaviRyan
      @NaviRyan Месяц назад

      @@alejandroestrella5288wow reading it I can’t help but think yeah this is Adam and Eve I wonder if Pandora’s box directly inspired the Adam and Eve myth.

  • @koshilowell9531
    @koshilowell9531 Месяц назад +559

    I like how everyone mostly goes
    “Prometheus is against us…?”
    “…….yeah. Makes sense I guess.”

  • @meganmcdonald3333
    @meganmcdonald3333 Месяц назад +207

    Oh yeah! Prometheus was the Titan who brought fire to the Mortals and I do remember as punishment the Gods of Olympus chained his entire body to a stone and since he was immortal, an Eagle will swoop down and rip out his liver. The liver will come back and he would be tortured over and over again in a never ending cycle. So yeah I would understand why he would side with Chronos.

    • @spandansahs8816
      @spandansahs8816 Месяц назад +35

      In the story of 12 labours of Hercules, Hercules set him free and Prometheus in return instructed Hercules to seek help from atlas to retrieve the golden apples.

    • @koshilowell9531
      @koshilowell9531 Месяц назад +30

      There's dialogue where someone muses that since Prometheus loves humans so much that the "Golden Age" Chronos promises would benefit them more and so he fights with him for us.
      and also revenge

    • @falconeshield
      @falconeshield Месяц назад

      So will Herc be a future boss?

    • @meganmcdonald3333
      @meganmcdonald3333 Месяц назад +1

      @falconeshield No. Heracles, (Not Hercules there are two version of his mythos.), is already an ally character like Goddess Artemis and Athena who fights above but doesn’t give us a boon rather some complaints or two. Not particularly a fan of the Gods and vice versa cuz Hera, Zeus’s Wife, has made it her life’s mission to make him miserable for basically existing!

    • @wolfrulls1667
      @wolfrulls1667 Месяц назад

      Got me out here, debating with myself which side I should take😂

  • @mikkaribbe6200
    @mikkaribbe6200 Месяц назад +102

    It's interesting how dismissive Melinöe can be towards mortal kind. Espacially when she has such a special bond with Shades and Spirits. She seems to communicate a lot with them. If someone should know their pain of losing everything they love, even if they can't always remember there life before, its her. Espacially when some of Melis best friends or "family" are Odysseus, Icarus and Dora.

    • @mikkaribbe6200
      @mikkaribbe6200 Месяц назад +32

      Melinöe even tried Something like Prometheus, just on a much smaller scale. She tried to help a mortal she liked, despite her headmistes warnings, and lost a part of her body because of it.
      I really cant wait to see where this is going! (If this story goes somewhere)

    • @Lardo137
      @Lardo137 Месяц назад +40

      @@mikkaribbe6200 If they implement an Arachne or Odysseus or some other romance with a mortal, I honestly hope that becomes an issue she has to overcome. Melinoe's not just indifferent, she's outright derogatory toward mortalkind at times - and her going "but I have a mortal friend" should not cut it as an excuse.
      It's like, imagine if your rich girlfriend constantly complains that the poorer districts having electricity and heating was "thievery" from her family's business. And some of her uncles want to send floods and plagues and blizzards there, just to teach them a lesson, and "maybe they've got a good point!" It would get unbearable real fast.

    • @mikkaribbe6200
      @mikkaribbe6200 Месяц назад +32

      @@Lardo137 You descripe her Vibe so wellXD. Yeah, this could be a breaking point for her relationships. Arachne and Herakles both talk about the gods and how horrible they really are. And both times Melinöe ignores them or dosn't even try to understand. I understand why she is so stubborn and why she needs to be like this for her task. But she makes the same mistake as her father. She works on principles and her own logic without trying to understand why someone else has a different point of view. And it will drive away the people she loves and cares about. She needs Zagreus in her live. Someone that helps her not only understand peoples points of view and what they need. But she has Potential. I hope she can learn. With Hades, it was his choice to act like that. With Melinoë it feels more like "someone told her to act like that". She only repeats what others told her. Instead if sitting down and really thinking about what she is actually doing her. It dosn't mean that she shouldn't complete her Task. But maybe there are other ways or at least some Things she could change for the better.

    • @koshilowell9531
      @koshilowell9531 Месяц назад +29

      I really like how they added Prometheus into this story. It really does showcase the darker side of Melione and her entire situation. She's been indoctrinated and raised as a child soldier with one single purpose, and this has made her see the world in black and white. It gets so bad she starts talking badly about Titans (which her mentor and mother figure is), Mortals (which her other mentor and best friends are).
      I'm really interested in seeing how her character develops.

    • @Feuerhamster
      @Feuerhamster Месяц назад +14

      @@Lardo137 "I'm not racist, some of my best friends are m-words!" - Melinoe

  • @37Jhian
    @37Jhian Месяц назад +73

    For those wondering what Skelly is talking about Good eats it's most likely a reference to the trick at Mecone where Prometheus laid two picks of sacrifice made from an ox he slew. One choice was meat and fat, all the good stuff, covered with an unappealing ox stomach and the other was a pile of bones covered in shining fat which made it looked more appealing compared to the former.
    Zeus' took the latter pick and was enraged because of it. This trick would later be used for the custom of giving sacrifices to the gods for humanity's benefit

  • @poppypollen4362
    @poppypollen4362 Месяц назад +133

    Hephaestus makes sense being sympathetic, considering his own conceited mother dropped him off the mountain when he was born not as beautiful as Zeus' bastards. Guess it's settled with his little bout of revenge, while Prometheus didn't have a chance. As for Apollo, it's funny he's giving it to Prometheus for knowing the winning side, when he's the god of prophecies himself. Shouldn't they be playing 6d chess now?

    • @falconeshield
      @falconeshield Месяц назад +8

      Prom is mad too, convient for the player

    • @Lardo137
      @Lardo137 Месяц назад +20

      @@poppypollen4362 With the Fates currently out of the picture, I wouldn't be surprised if prophecies don't function as they should, either.
      Prometheus himself said that while he knows Melinoe will pass him eventually, he doesn't know which specific battle it would be. Which, obviously, is partly true because it's a video game, but in an in-universe sense it's another point of evidence that precognitive abilities aren't working properly.

    • @theod4660
      @theod4660 28 дней назад +1

      @@Lardo137Then again, he is the Titan of foresight, not divination. His predictions may just be him analyzing a situation and coming up with the most likely results

  • @karlachavarria369
    @karlachavarria369 Месяц назад +158

    I'm surprised there's no dialogue with Heracles about Prometheus since he was the one to free the titan during his 12 labors

    • @joshuaemmitt3980
      @joshuaemmitt3980 Месяц назад +32

      Maybe in the next update, you never know

    • @thebaseandtriflingcreature174
      @thebaseandtriflingcreature174 Месяц назад +3

      maybe he regrets doing it

    • @CGInferno
      @CGInferno  Месяц назад +32

      Maybe in another update. I met Heracles when playing and he had nothing new to say

    • @falconeshield
      @falconeshield Месяц назад

      ​@@thebaseandtriflingcreature174if he's on our side, probably

  • @ZCid47
    @ZCid47 29 дней назад +19

    Is nice how Hecate chastise Melione about her comment of the Titans by reminder her that she and Selene are also Titans

  • @mattpaul173
    @mattpaul173 Месяц назад +130

    I’d love to see what Zeus thinks of Prometheus working with Cronus. I imagine he’d be all, “What, Prometheus stands against us?! Whatever for? Oh, who could have foreseen this turn of events?”

    • @scarletowl4556
      @scarletowl4556 Месяц назад +42

      "And I showed him such mercy, allowing Herakles to free him! Once he's defeated I shall make TWO eagles eat his organs!"

    • @falconeshield
      @falconeshield Месяц назад +13

      Somehow, it's always Zeus' fault

  • @berilsevvalbekret772
    @berilsevvalbekret772 Месяц назад +73

    I like Malinóe but...gotta hope she'll get hit with the 'oh shit are we the baddies' stick

    • @JamesTobiasStewart
      @JamesTobiasStewart Месяц назад +37

      Yeah this whole subplot is waving that clue ever harder. I mean the Olympians weren't in charge because they were nice, they were in charge because they freely utilised their power to brutalise anyone who had a problem with that.

    • @soulstealer5625
      @soulstealer5625 Месяц назад +8

      @@JamesTobiasStewarttis the case with a lot of power structures. Take via force and violence then manufacture peaceful reasons for maintaining that power.

    • @furious_boye
      @furious_boye Месяц назад

      I trust Supergiant will do it justice

  • @Mr.Starlight_gaming
    @Mr.Starlight_gaming Месяц назад +31

    6:35 damm, we're really playing as the villains huh.

  • @Lionstar16
    @Lionstar16 Месяц назад +28

    Can't wait to hear Zeus' dialogue about Prometheus - no doubt he'll try to defend his punishment of the Titan and swear vengeance

    • @eieneidnf
      @eieneidnf Месяц назад +9

      And hades says to her afterwards "to be honest, your uncle can be full of sh*t sometimes"

    • @edgeman1135
      @edgeman1135 Месяц назад +1

      "Did I do that?"

  • @malakitaub9024
    @malakitaub9024 Месяц назад +67

    I wonder... the Fates are Nyx's daughter's, and Nyx is a Primordial... if Prometheus's Future Sight is similar to that of the Fates, are they connected? Maybe he's siding with Chronos in order to get the Fates back AND get revenge in one fell swoop.

    • @anders8461
      @anders8461 Месяц назад +8

      Premonition is entirely different than fate. Fate is something that will be happening. Premonition is something that might be happening

    • @Sifya
      @Sifya Месяц назад +4

      Maybe chronos want to create new fates or destroying destiny. But second option is almost impossible in Greek myth and also unsure. So I think first is more fixing, remember when talking about arachne there was implied fates were afraid of her talent, weaving has strong power in hades universe. So now I think promo is one of elements to create a new fate, now there is need of weaver. My idea is penelope, ody is lying to us about their break-up ;she side with chronos.
      Penelope in myth has connecting with dreams, so she can be a boss fight in hypnos dream. I just want to see ody denies the boss would beat our a** is his wife who hates gods for all mess they face

  • @ausarthevile2970
    @ausarthevile2970 Месяц назад +30

    Interesting how they portray Melinoë as both a naive girl but at the same time being somewhat prideful that she’s a God and therefore unable to understand mortal thinking.

    • @theod4660
      @theod4660 28 дней назад

      It’s more that she has been indoctrinated since birth. To her, there are two kinds of people, people that oppose Chronos, and are good, and people that support Chronos, and are therefore bad

    • @thomasajith1729
      @thomasajith1729 24 дня назад

      😊❤q

  • @angelfranciscosalazarmoren7286
    @angelfranciscosalazarmoren7286 Месяц назад +33

    I´m starting to think Prometheus might be a schemer for better or for worse...

  • @symoniarose2820
    @symoniarose2820 Месяц назад +50

    Dora is definitely Pandora, I'm sure it's obvious to everyone, but the way she reacted to Prometheus' name has cinched it.

    • @analicious94
      @analicious94 Месяц назад +6

      oh my god right? Imagine when she realizes he's the reason she exists

    • @symoniarose2820
      @symoniarose2820 Месяц назад +3

      @@analicious94 I have an inkling Prometheus might only calm down if Epimetheus is found too. That's gonna be rough on Dora.

  • @natzo89
    @natzo89 Месяц назад +31

    Its funny and hypocritical. Zeus said that the Gods stopped Chronos and that allowed mortal kind to progress, but that progress came mainly from the fire Prometheus gave humanity. I like how Melinoe is both indoctrinated, naive, and smugly sure of her superiority over mortals. She hadn't even been to the surface, so she only knows war. Her viewpoint is tainted and she is partially blind to the faults of her family, who throw curses at her if she doesn't take their boons. Not imagine what happens to mortal that they don't like and can't fight back. Arachne, for example. Honestly, the Underworld Gods are the nicest, and they are doom and gloom, but its a just a job. The Olympians are the nobility that plays with other lives.
    And they all recognize they can't blame Prometheus for siding with Chronos. Like, he is free and have a chance for revenge. Why would he side with the people that tortured him for aeons? I like how promethus is not smug, or have funny quips and banter for the most part. He is a serious but good guy that was punished for doing a good thing.

    • @Sifya
      @Sifya 10 дней назад

      The funny thing melinoe doesn't know for example the true version of first game and hades house, or underground gods and olympus almost end in a war. She know the sugar version hades house sold to them,

  • @Hunter-gj9yq
    @Hunter-gj9yq Месяц назад +5

    I was wondering why Dora had a connection with Prometheus, but then it hit me like a train
    Like I’ve read that story it’s iconic, but like. My brain doing a fucky

  • @ariflewar789
    @ariflewar789 Месяц назад +10

    Everyone not angry to Prometheus to take side with Chronos, because he have reason.

  • @Ulvorskets
    @Ulvorskets Месяц назад +3

    im pretty sure he knows he's on the losing side. he just wants vengeance

  • @Mr.Faust3
    @Mr.Faust3 Месяц назад +2

    The only other god to help mortals was zag... man we need him back

  • @rapidresponseteam6048
    @rapidresponseteam6048 26 дней назад +4

    It’s kinda annoying how Mel has made friends with multiply mortals who she values, and yet she doesn’t understand how important Prometheus is. If he didn’t steal fire then they’d all be ignorant caveman and not the people she knows.

  • @HittingBandy
    @HittingBandy 13 дней назад

    I wonder if Hercules would be linked to Prometheus. In one of the versions of his story, Hercules finds Prometheus while the eagle was devouring his innards, so Hercules promptly slays the eagle and frees Prometheus. While we do see the eagle on Prometheus's hand, Hercules could still be very responsible for freeing him, not realizing that Prometheus would turn to Chronos. It would be cool to see a post-game scene where Prometheus thanks Hercules while the latter goes "Huh, I might've been responsible for all this..."

  • @aplaowattanakul7760
    @aplaowattanakul7760 Месяц назад +5

    Now I realize Dora is Pandora 😂😂

  • @1Shalnark1
    @1Shalnark1 18 дней назад

    Hades also has dialogue about Prometheus.

  • @RenmmneR
    @RenmmneR 3 дня назад

    I fully believe that Prometheus knows what will happen if cronos wins.
    But for everything to go well, he has to fight by her side.

  • @iwantddie
    @iwantddie Месяц назад

    Dora is Pandora. And they fate got same vibe

  • @akshaygopalakrishnan4905
    @akshaygopalakrishnan4905 Месяц назад

    Why does prometheus look like Zagreus barring the eyes.? Some lore indication?

  • @nicovananda3893
    @nicovananda3893 Месяц назад

    With famous titan showing up I guess we can expect atlas gonna showed up with his bad ass abs because we all know he has an un ending weight lifting all this time😂😂😂

  • @jyotirani8187
    @jyotirani8187 Месяц назад

    There's one conversation with Hades as well. Says how Zeus always claimed that he could give better punishments than him but Hades never had a hand with Prometheus.

  • @LucirielIdk
    @LucirielIdk Месяц назад +6

    Okey maybe I'm a bit slow for noticing this now but....
    Expolers down below.
    4:20 HO MY GOD DORA IS PANDORA

  • @genesismultiverse4896
    @genesismultiverse4896 Месяц назад +3

    Wait wouldnt that mean well get kratos bia zelous and nike?

  • @vicenteisaaclopezvaldez2450
    @vicenteisaaclopezvaldez2450 Месяц назад +1

    Figures Ody would side with the gods, the twisted treacherous trickster.

    • @Sifya
      @Sifya 10 дней назад

      My headcanon he sided with gods because penelope sided with titans.
      Odysseus doesn't have a good motivation to side with gods who ruin his life, most shades escaped and not giving a duck to fight, why should odysseuos care, he is not particularly religious.
      That my idea, penelope sided with titans, so odysseuos gave his service to hecate in exchange of grace for penelope. Come on having mr/Mrs smirt situation would be more funny of just helping ody bangs circe

  • @emcleverton
    @emcleverton Месяц назад +1

    Can't stand the guy, let him have it