The act of towing any trailer increases the rate of wear on any tire. A 50K mile tire rating can last just 10K miles if the load is heavy enough and the driving conditions are rough enough.
@@darrinsiberia when you do exactly what hes doing ANY tire would get destroyed. Like who the fuck lowers the air pressure to tow on a hwy? But then again, I dont tow. I thought the less rolling resistance the better. But what do I know I only have gr.8 education.
Honestly, not trying to beat you up, but you're like the 5th or 6th guy on RUclips that has given a bad review on a tire that wasn't the fault of the tire. It's the consumer's fault, and let me explain. I run an F350 for my business, crew cab, short box with a topper shell. I currently have 305/70/16 General Grabbers. I rotate them every 2 oil changes, I have roughly 20K miles on them, and I'm confident I'll get another 20K out of them before I need to replace them. I live in Michigan, my truck sees every type of road condition imaginable. I tow frequently, but not all the time. The key is to monitor the air pressure. When I'm towing, I'm inflated to the factory level that is called out on the door jamb sticker, 85 PSI. When I'm not towing, I'm running 70 PSI. These trucks (super/heavy duty) are not heavy enough in the rear to flatten the tire contact patch at 85 PSI to make even contact, that's why you see the center line worn down (over inflation). If you air-down when you're empty, and air-up when towing, you'll see a significant difference in tire life. Especially if you're running an A/T tire. H/T tires don't usually have this issue because the compounds are different, but the traction off-road sucks! Hope this helps, wasn't trying to poke you with a stick, just speaking from experience.
6000 to 7000 miles on those tires for rotation. You gotta do it no matter what. It's a softer compound but better traction than your open country for sure. Forrrrr surrrrre hands down. 90 percent of our commercial vehicles only trust General. We have over 60 vehicles. If that tells you anything.
The atx are snow tires so they wear fast when towing. You should have gotten the ATP since they aren't as soft but you also dont have as much snow traction.
No the reason he has worn out rears is down to him towing...period, no tire on earth that will not wear down faster towing. He could have reduced the issue by rotating, which clearly has not done as the backs are more worn. Second of all: A/Tx aren’t snow tires, they do damn good in the snow but not snow tires. the Grabber Arctic series are generals winter tires. The AT/x is An aggressive hybrid blend of the M/T tire specifically heavy side wall of Grabber MX3 (I think is the name?) with tread depth of them as well and the tread sipes and block cuts of the ATP but laid out in a different pattern as to not make too much cabin noise with additional depth.
I love mine. Cheap version of the ko2’s. Got stuck in a snow drift and kinda went to hard in the paint and tore up two tires in gravel. I think my fuel mileage dropped too but I got them when I deleted the truck so idk.
Not the tires fault you didn't rotate them like there supposed to be when I had mine put on they said every 8,000 miles I do it every 4,000 miles no problems. Was surprised with all that power and torque you couldn't make it up that hill... Sorry you haven't had a good experience with them.
William Maddox I agree it’s nice to rotate them as much as possible and I usually do. But with that little mileage and not a lot of towing and not heavy weight the rear tires shouldn’t have half the tread as the front. I have owned a lot of tires and never had any wear as bad in the rear as these.
your experience is your experience, but stating that tires are not good because they wore fast, on the rear of a pickup that tows significant weight, and not being rotated is just wrong. the tires arent the problem,.
I have same issue going on no towing just on my old lady’s GMC Yukon drives back and forth to work. I really liked these tires when purchased them 6 months ago . Stick to road like glue great in snow. But now it’s like what do you do . Waste my time calling general ? They will blame it on vehicle even tho I replaced every single suspension and steering part front and rear put tires on and had it aligned .
Been waiting for a new video from you. Good to see you all are still doing well. Damn still getting snow wtf. It came down to ko2s and grabber atxs. Glad I went with the ko2 love them so far about 10k miles still look new.
A siped tire will always wear faster than a similar composition tire without siping. I would never put siped tires on a heavy tow rig unless I absolutely needed the additional traction provided by siping. On a F-150 that maybe pulls a small trailer every now and then? Sure. On a 350 pulling a 10,000 lb trailer 2500 miles? Nope. Moreover, as others have pointed out, these are a relatively soft composition tire. Also not good for towing or high mileage. You have no reason to be unhappy with General.
Diesel trucks are very heavy up front and every vehicle does about 70% of its braking with the front. And of course 100% of the steering. If your rears are wearing a lot faster, it’s an issue with your truck or your usage.
Rotate tires when towing, or just don't use a budget all terrain to tow with. The wear pattern is obviously indicative of very high tire pressure and lack of rotation.
Tyres should be rotated every 5000 miles in heavy use. And towing 10,000 lb trailers is heavy use. All 5 should be rotated so the set wears the same. Or buy a dually. Wrong truck for the job and poor maintenance. Don't blame the tools tradesman....
Man I have owned atleast 10 sets of tires on the same size truck doing the same use day in and day out. I know how to make them last. Just providing the facts.
Seems like a defective pair of tires honestly. I'm not really a tire expect but I have the same tires myself on my 09 tacoma and there's barely any wear on mine and Ive put about 10,000 miles on them so far. Granted I don't tow anywhere the weight you do all the time. Hopefully they can be fix with just swapping out to new tires. Its a shame that happened because they aren't cheap and there really grippy tires especially on off road.
Only recommend those M/T tires if primary use is offroad. Honestly, if primary use is on road, encounter snow and some rutty offroad stuff but not rock crawling or missing, A/Tx are beasts. I have a set on my volvo wagon and I swear it can climb a tree. Also, if you hate cabin drone but need agressive tires the A/Tx are perfect. About as quiet as APT and H/S tires grabber has for quietness. The X3 M/T tires roar and get so annoying after a while.
Yes, night and day difference between this and the sluggish Cummins. 10-speed is great too as is the interior and exterior lighting. The only downfall is the interior materials. Not even close to Ram.
I'm running the new cooper at3 xlt tires. They were pretty good plowing only chained up the rears 2 times over the winter and we get 170 plus inches a winter. Not as good a tire as the ko2s but the price was right at the time. They have 23000 hard miles on them and look perfect still. 2018 f250
I had a set of at3 and they got stiff and lost traction after 2 winters... they were good 1st winter, 2nd winter they were ok then by 3rd season they were terrible
Blahahaha April 30th? You're ahead of Japan with your month of April. I had Grabber's on my Jeep in Ottawa and they sucks in the flakey snow after one season. Looked great with Red letters but they were terrible after 20,000 Klms. I expected Toni and Wendell to be making some noise for you in the snow. Sorry gotta go water the veggies in my garden, maybe Western Canada should grow potatoes for PEI instead lol.
Looks like they are overpressured for given load(empty miles) I have 43,000km on the stock goodyear wranglers and the one on the front currently are low tread depth on them. I left the pressure at 80psi, 85% of my milage is personal driving. Now I adjust the pressure when I'm towing its 60psi all around, and 80psi on the back when towing. Truck rides better at the lower pressure too. If you are not loading the tires to near their capacity you shouldn't be running them ar max pressure. You only need that pressure while carrying a load. The carcus of the tire is not strong enough ever the tread to resist the curve(ballooning) at higher pressures with out a consistant load.
@@workplaytv I wasnt saying you were a rookie. I was saying what the treadwear looks like. I'm having the same issue with the oem Goodyear's. But mine for sure were over inflated with no load. The tpms says they are at 80psi now . But the gauge is only 60 front and 65 rear. The B train fuel trailer I pull has the same high center tread issue because it sees equal loaded to empty miles. At $450 x 30 tires that poor wearing pattern is frustrating to say the least my truck is 2019 cclb 6.7 and it 2460kg up front and 1740kg on the rear with the family on board. 60psi on the rear is still light lots of pressure for the given load, so if that tire doesnt have the belt structure strength it will still balloon. I was thinking Grabber ATX but given your experience, it has me considering other options
jnk26 Hey buddy thanks for the reply. Maybe others have better luck than me. I loved the X3 I’d buy them again. I will say I am supper impressed with my falkens on my 2020
Have you tried a commercial tire like a bf goodrich commercial ta all season or general grabber hd? You'll have to run a different tire in the winter for plowing snow.
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@@joeyoung3319 What tires would you suggest for driving on salted dry highways, then continuing onto icy and snowy roads and then into an open mine? The roads at the open mine have 2"-3" sharp gravel roads. Last week I punctured three tires there. I'm always in haste at work and no time swapping tires or van.
My Goodyear AT Kevlars did the same in my little bitty Canyon, only 25,000 miles. My bad for not rotating. Recommend using lighter boots on the skinny pedal.
The st maxx is great slow wearing tire for a diesel truck that hauls a lot. The copper STT PROS are what I’ve been running lately for looks and off road performance. Plus they still wear slow for a mud tire.
At tires are ment for off road traction normally in a lighter car, if your not off roading, need the extra snow traction, and hauling your not going to get good mileage from a at
That's a shame. I would see if they would give you your money back and buy a different set of tires .There is definitely a reason why the duratrac is so popular. I have been considering the ATX but now I'm really glad I didn't go that route. I appreciate your honest reviews. Keep us posted on how you make out, and maybe do the same review on the Falcons when they reach 12000 miles!
its not an honest review, he annihilated his back tires by towing heavy shit and lowering the air pressure and NOT rotating them lol, also its a fantastic snow tire, not really made for towing, there are much better tires for towing.. come on people use your fuqqin brains
How do you like the falkens on the 2020 so far. I have them on my Duramax and really like them so far don't know for sure how many miles are on them because I only run them in the winter
I know guys who haul stock car trailers who burn off a pair of BFG’s on the rear during the racing season. Towing heavy loaded trailers will chew them up. Saying that they won’t change tire brand as when the pits get muddy the BFG’s even worn perform.
You are spinning the rear wheels in 2wd and/or towing to much weight. load capacity 1653 Pounds. It is not the tires it is the way you are using them. Towing 10,000 lbs should have double rims dualiees on back
Looks like you have way to much air in these tires. I keep 40 psi from and back on my 275 65 r18 and tow weekly. I have 45k miles on them with 50% tread still. Dirt roads too.
damn expensive. almost twice what other AT tires are. I like them. Hard to find a good 3 peak mountain snowflake rated tire thats gonna be good in the snow and give good treadlife.
Hey wish to have a bit of that weather here ...by the way sorry to hear what happen in your area last week...muchos locos!! going around... put the front tires on back use for a bit then put a new set of good ones..stay safe😷😷
You're running a light duty truck tire on a 1 ton pickup pulling 10k pounds and not rotating. That's no wonder. Snow tires tend to eat up a little quicker in general because they are made of softer compounds. Sounds like you just need a different tire for that truck.
@@workplaytv there is a lot more variables that plays into that I'm sure. Maybe they were wearing prematurely, maybe there was a reason for that. My last set were cooper at3's and they were awesome tires. Great snow/wet traction and we're rated for 55k Miles. I rotated them fairly often but only got 35-40k Miles out if them. However I know I'm rough on tires ( heavy foot, pulling boats/ trailers, and the occasional loss of traction😅) that's also in a 1500 pickup. Keep in mind a 3500 pickup weights much more and has 2-3 times the amount of torque being applied to the tires. For whatever reason I think that snow rated tires tend to wear a little faster in rough conditions because they are made with softer compounds.
I know the BFG KO2 had to be redesigned for diesel trucks because they were eating rear tires like crazy. Maybe see if General has the same thing going on.
Evan Tykocki They don’t. BFG has two versions of the KO2; one with the 3PMS, and the DT version with a mileage warranty. The Grabber ATX offers both of those features in one tire.
How are these tires holding up on your dad's Ram? And did your father in law pull the trigger on them as well, if yes how are they doing there? I'm just wondering for those of us who don't necessarily tow very often if these tires will wear better?
@@workplaytv Thanks for the quick response. Love the videos and excited to see what happens with the new property. Hitting that subscribe button right now! Keep up the good work.
Hahaha just joking. Didnt think you would get back. Lol. Canadian country girl....parry sound. Did you go with the falken wildpeak at3w. If so how are they. Need tires for deep snow. Thanks
Kim Capone Hahaha. I have the Falkens on my 2020 but when I replaced these I went back to the Toyo Open Country AT2. Went with them for the f rating. Actually posted a video a couple weeks back.
You can put IDENTICAL tires on a F-250 and a Tacoma; You can tell me which set will last longer. The mileage warranty is NOT an indication of their lifespan, it simply tells you how long the manufacturer will warranty the tire. I rarely see any of my 3/4 customers get more than 30k-35k miles out of their tires even if they don't tow/haul.
Hey buddy I got all my PTM stuff done on my 2020 Platinum Tremor 6.7. Do you have an email or something and I'll send you some pics. I think it looks so cool man. Might give you some ideas.
I had the same issue with my set. My thoughts are it has something to do with the soft tread compound of the Three Peak Mountain Snow rating. I believe BFG has a towing version now because of this same wear.
I had the same issue on my F350 with the BFG KO2....I dropped to 65 psi when and they wear more evenly. Plus, frequent rotation helps, but you already know that part.
I've had the same experience with my ATX's on my diesel f350, fronts look perfect and back ones are chewed off especially in the centers, my back ones are worse than yours and that's in less than 6,000 miles
Smart for operating within your limits - especially being by yourself, but I was somewhat kinda surprised you didn’t crawl right up the trail. Must’ve been way steeper than the video is able to show - obviously.
Ok, well let's talk about the real issue, you bought a Ford truck #1, #2 your not running the correct air pressure when towing and not towing, I have had 0 issues with mine on a ram towing an excavator, so clearly the issue is on your end 😂
I have 7K on my atx tires 2019 f150. They worked amazing in ohio winter past season. I only needed 4wd 3 times all winter and all 3 times were on ice on inclined driveways. Only complaint is road noise
workplaytv yea I’ve heard they are good for 1/2 tons nothing above. I’ve got about 12,000 o believe on mine (09 f150) and barely have any noticeable wear. I’m surprise they don’t wear more I live in Arizona where it stays 115+ all summer long.
Moses Miller... this might be completely unrelated... but... a few years back I bought Cooper AT2’s (I think, maybe AT3) for my car. I checked the build date on them and they were within 2 or 3 months of my purchase. They didn’t even last 5 years and one split because of dry rot. They were all 4 dry rotted but I replaced them after the one failed. I believe the industry recommends changing tires every 5 years regardless of what they look like. To bad my tires didn’t even make it that long. Hopefully this was limited to the type of tire I purchased and not all Cooper tires. I know I will never buy their products again. Hope your luck is better.
The act of towing any trailer increases the rate of wear on any tire. A 50K mile tire rating can last just 10K miles if the load is heavy enough and the driving conditions are rough enough.
plus the guy doesnt keep them up to normal pressure when hes towing. he likes to lower the pressure while towing
Yeah but he's still not happy so. There it is.
@@darrinsiberia when you do exactly what hes doing ANY tire would get destroyed. Like who the fuck lowers the air pressure to tow on a hwy? But then again, I dont tow. I thought the less rolling resistance the better. But what do I know I only have gr.8 education.
Honestly, not trying to beat you up, but you're like the 5th or 6th guy on RUclips that has given a bad review on a tire that wasn't the fault of the tire. It's the consumer's fault, and let me explain. I run an F350 for my business, crew cab, short box with a topper shell. I currently have 305/70/16 General Grabbers. I rotate them every 2 oil changes, I have roughly 20K miles on them, and I'm confident I'll get another 20K out of them before I need to replace them. I live in Michigan, my truck sees every type of road condition imaginable. I tow frequently, but not all the time. The key is to monitor the air pressure. When I'm towing, I'm inflated to the factory level that is called out on the door jamb sticker, 85 PSI. When I'm not towing, I'm running 70 PSI. These trucks (super/heavy duty) are not heavy enough in the rear to flatten the tire contact patch at 85 PSI to make even contact, that's why you see the center line worn down (over inflation). If you air-down when you're empty, and air-up when towing, you'll see a significant difference in tire life. Especially if you're running an A/T tire. H/T tires don't usually have this issue because the compounds are different, but the traction off-road sucks! Hope this helps, wasn't trying to poke you with a stick, just speaking from experience.
If you want your tires to last I suggest rotating your tires atleast every 3-5k miles
Thanks for sharing it's a soft tire good for traction. You want tires that wear longer get a harder compound. 😎
F.y.i. if your tires are wearing in the center they are over inflated guys and girls
Oua H8ter no shit. They are 25psi below what the truck calls for. Not a rookie
Dude, stop with all this a/t b....t! For wintertime try some proper WINTER tires!
6000 to 7000 miles on those tires for rotation. You gotta do it no matter what. It's a softer compound but better traction than your open country for sure. Forrrrr surrrrre hands down. 90 percent of our commercial vehicles only trust General. We have over 60 vehicles. If that tells you anything.
The atx are snow tires so they wear fast when towing. You should have gotten the ATP since they aren't as soft but you also dont have as much snow traction.
No the reason he has worn out rears is down to him towing...period, no tire on earth that will not wear down faster towing. He could have reduced the issue by rotating, which clearly has not done as the backs are more worn.
Second of all: A/Tx aren’t snow tires, they do damn good in the snow but not snow tires. the Grabber Arctic series are generals winter tires. The AT/x is An aggressive hybrid blend of the M/T tire specifically heavy side wall of Grabber MX3 (I think is the name?) with tread depth of them as well and the tread sipes and block cuts of the ATP but laid out in a different pattern as to not make too much cabin noise with additional depth.
Snow tires? C’mon now…
I love mine. Cheap version of the ko2’s. Got stuck in a snow drift and kinda went to hard in the paint and tore up two tires in gravel. I think my fuel mileage dropped too but I got them when I deleted the truck so idk.
What?? Is that English??
They don’t like 80 psi all the time I guess 🤷
Not the tires fault you didn't rotate them like there supposed to be when I had mine put on they said every 8,000 miles I do it every 4,000 miles no problems. Was surprised with all that power and torque you couldn't make it up that hill... Sorry you haven't had a good experience with them.
William Maddox I agree it’s nice to rotate them as much as possible and I usually do. But with that little mileage and not a lot of towing and not heavy weight the rear tires shouldn’t have half the tread as the front. I have owned a lot of tires and never had any wear as bad in the rear as these.
I feel ya on the scratches. People always tell me it’s a work truck why do you care so much. Well because I spent a lot of money on it is why.
Yes sir! It hurts! Haha
LoL... You don't want the dog to demolish your stuff, don't let the dog anywhere near it. PROBLEM SOLVED.
You can have it LineX'ed but imo it just ruins the look of a nice truck. In extreme conditions it is an option though.
your experience is your experience, but stating that tires are not good because they wore fast, on the rear of a pickup that tows significant weight, and not being rotated is just wrong. the tires arent the problem,.
Hahahaha ok...
I have same issue going on no towing just on my old lady’s GMC Yukon drives back and forth to work. I really liked these tires when purchased them 6 months ago . Stick to road like glue great in snow. But now it’s like what do you do . Waste my time calling general ? They will blame it on vehicle even tho I replaced every single suspension and steering part front and rear put tires on and had it aligned .
Been waiting for a new video from you. Good to see you all are still doing well. Damn still getting snow wtf.
It came down to ko2s and grabber atxs. Glad I went with the ko2 love them so far about 10k miles still look new.
Curious if you keep 80psi in the rear when not towing? If you do, every AT tire will wear like that !
No sir 55 psi
A siped tire will always wear faster than a similar composition tire without siping. I would never put siped tires on a heavy tow rig unless I absolutely needed the additional traction provided by siping. On a F-150 that maybe pulls a small trailer every now and then? Sure. On a 350 pulling a 10,000 lb trailer 2500 miles? Nope. Moreover, as others have pointed out, these are a relatively soft composition tire. Also not good for towing or high mileage. You have no reason to be unhappy with General.
I've had No problem with my atxs on my '02 tahoe 4x4.. Just had them rotated..
William Maddox Awesome
2 mins in and im not sure if this a weather or tire review...
I could be wrong but the rear tyre wear looks like over inflation and if you rotate your tyres front to rear you will get 40k miles from your tyres :)
I run 15 to 20lbs less than called for. I have had a lot of trucks and a lot of tires. These have worn the worst.
Diesel trucks are very heavy up front and every vehicle does about 70% of its braking with the front. And of course 100% of the steering. If your rears are wearing a lot faster, it’s an issue with your truck or your usage.
Rotate tires when towing, or just don't use a budget all terrain to tow with. The wear pattern is obviously indicative of very high tire pressure and lack of rotation.
Your truck produces over a 1000' pounds of torque keep your right foot out of it my W 900 kenworth did the same thing Until I learned how to drive.
Tyres should be rotated every 5000 miles in heavy use. And towing 10,000 lb trailers is heavy use. All 5 should be rotated so the set wears the same. Or buy a dually. Wrong truck for the job and poor maintenance. Don't blame the tools tradesman....
Man I have owned atleast 10 sets of tires on the same size truck doing the same use day in and day out. I know how to make them last. Just providing the facts.
Looks like you’re running too much pressure.
If I spin mine they lose tread pretty fast. Last set I let loose on them and tread will disappear if you spin these. On wet ground to.
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Seems like a defective pair of tires honestly. I'm not really a tire expect but I have the same tires myself on my 09 tacoma and there's barely any wear on mine and Ive put about 10,000 miles on them so far. Granted I don't tow anywhere the weight you do all the time. Hopefully they can be fix with just swapping out to new tires. Its a shame that happened because they aren't cheap and there really grippy tires especially on off road.
You should do an update how they are doing on your dad’s ram 1500. I’m interested how the same tire is holding up on a half ton.
His are like new
workplaytv what load rate tires did you put on your dads truck? Standard or e rated?
Thnx for the update, Solidified my decision to buy the X3'S over the ATX.
Only recommend those M/T tires if primary use is offroad. Honestly, if primary use is on road, encounter snow and some rutty offroad stuff but not rock crawling or missing, A/Tx are beasts. I have a set on my volvo wagon and I swear it can climb a tree. Also, if you hate cabin drone but need agressive tires the A/Tx are perfect. About as quiet as APT and H/S tires grabber has for quietness. The X3 M/T tires roar and get so annoying after a while.
Picked up my platinum 350 last night. Traded in the Limited Cummins. You inspired me! Lol
Fivesfilms Hahahahaha so so far are you happy?
Yes, night and day difference between this and the sluggish Cummins. 10-speed is great too as is the interior and exterior lighting. The only downfall is the interior materials. Not even close to Ram.
Take a slice of that property you have and put a metal building with a lift in it. You can do all the maintenance yourself!
I would if I was staying here
I'm running the new cooper at3 xlt tires. They were pretty good plowing only chained up the rears 2 times over the winter and we get 170 plus inches a winter. Not as good a tire as the ko2s but the price was right at the time. They have 23000 hard miles on them and look perfect still. 2018 f250
4 4 yes! The Cooper AT3 are awesome tires for a HD truck,
I had a set of at3 and they got stiff and lost traction after 2 winters... they were good 1st winter, 2nd winter they were ok then by 3rd season they were terrible
@@leadnsteel1428 I bet tread wear had nothing to do with that either.
You live in Canada and your complaining about snow???? LOL
Too much air in the rear tires.
Good lord.. gave up after 3min and still no tires.
Blahahaha April 30th? You're ahead of Japan with your month of April.
I had Grabber's on my Jeep in Ottawa and they sucks in the flakey snow after one season. Looked great with Red letters but they were terrible after 20,000 Klms.
I expected Toni and Wendell to be making some noise for you in the snow.
Sorry gotta go water the veggies in my garden, maybe Western Canada should grow potatoes for PEI instead lol.
Hahahaha your full of jokes! Check your email
@@workplaytv Nothing
Stephen Bradley I’ll try again
Looks like they are overpressured for given load(empty miles) I have 43,000km on the stock goodyear wranglers and the one on the front currently are low tread depth on them. I left the pressure at 80psi, 85% of my milage is personal driving. Now I adjust the pressure when I'm towing its 60psi all around, and 80psi on the back when towing. Truck rides better at the lower pressure too. If you are not loading the tires to near their capacity you shouldn't be running them ar max pressure. You only need that pressure while carrying a load. The carcus of the tire is not strong enough ever the tread to resist the curve(ballooning) at higher pressures with out a consistant load.
jnk26 I’m only running 60 psi. That’s like 15-20 psi less than the sticker asked for. I’m not a rookie. Lol
@@workplaytv I wasnt saying you were a rookie. I was saying what the treadwear looks like. I'm having the same issue with the oem Goodyear's. But mine for sure were over inflated with no load. The tpms says they are at 80psi now . But the gauge is only 60 front and 65 rear. The B train fuel trailer I pull has the same high center tread issue because it sees equal loaded to empty miles. At $450 x 30 tires that poor wearing pattern is frustrating to say the least my truck is 2019 cclb 6.7 and it 2460kg up front and 1740kg on the rear with the family on board. 60psi on the rear is still light lots of pressure for the given load, so if that tire doesnt have the belt structure strength it will still balloon. I was thinking Grabber ATX but given your experience, it has me considering other options
jnk26 Hey buddy thanks for the reply. Maybe others have better luck than me. I loved the X3 I’d buy them again. I will say I am supper impressed with my falkens on my 2020
I have a 1 ton dually that only pulls a trailer or plows snow. I've never gotten more than 15,000 miles out of a set of tires.
Have you tried a commercial tire like a bf goodrich commercial ta all season or general grabber hd? You'll have to run a different tire in the winter for plowing snow.
Tires wearing too fast? Well that's what happens when you keep doin those burnouts in your truck.
Haha not a single one
I live in Phoenix,Arizona it was over 100 today lol
Frozen land, frozen economy ... but wait the markets are up 532 point today ...
Wes Szczerba markets have nothing to do with the health of the economy like the days in the past, markets are propped up by federal backed securities, did you know while everything was shut down our wonderful government spent 1.6 billion per day buying LAND, the US Government is now the worlds largest land owner,,,,,while we were sleeping. It’s never about what they want you to see what’s going on, it’s what they do when other stuff is in the media
The warranty specifically states they must be rotated every 5k miles sooo...
Thanks tips
4 minz in and all i hear is user error
We have one will not balance out they will not replace
Nice try...good call...always tomorrow....80 to 90 out here in Cali...trying to burn up the CORONA
To bad its a communist shithole
Do you recommend the Grabber ATX or BFG KO2s or something else for Interior Alaska?
The new BFG KO2's are tough to beat. I like them on my full-size pickup.
Love the X3. Also take a look at the falkens and the new open country at3
MUD tire for the interior of Alaska... FORGET AT's--- just not enough tire for serious snow and mud.
@@joeyoung3319 What tires would you suggest for driving on salted dry highways, then continuing onto icy and snowy roads and then into an open mine?
The roads at the open mine have 2"-3" sharp gravel roads. Last week I punctured three tires there.
I'm always in haste at work and no time swapping tires or van.
Your rims look very narrow for that tire size!! 🤔
My Goodyear AT Kevlars did the same in my little bitty Canyon, only 25,000 miles. My bad for not rotating. Recommend using lighter boots on the skinny pedal.
You should give Coopers a try! They have E Rated and decently priced too.
S/T Maxx I think is the model name.
Almost forgot.....you can stud them too
The st maxx is great slow wearing tire for a diesel truck that hauls a lot. The copper STT PROS are what I’ve been running lately for looks and off road performance. Plus they still wear slow for a mud tire.
Chuck Lohnes I think I may end up getting some STT Pros also. I like the way they look and great wear as u said!
I think I'm a Canadian at heart.... Born in Detroit 😭
Haha agree
At tires are ment for off road traction normally in a lighter car, if your not off roading, need the extra snow traction, and hauling your not going to get good mileage from a at
"Mother Nature" has been dealing with alzheimer's dimentia lately.. :)
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@@workplaytv She has forgotten there is such things as sEASONS and does whatever.. ergo- alz.dimentia!!
Over inflated
That's a shame. I would see if they would give you your money back and buy a different set of tires .There is definitely a reason why the duratrac is so popular. I have been considering the ATX but now I'm really glad I didn't go that route. I appreciate your honest reviews. Keep us posted on how you make out, and maybe do the same review on the Falcons when they reach 12000 miles!
its not an honest review, he annihilated his back tires by towing heavy shit and lowering the air pressure and NOT rotating them lol, also its a fantastic snow tire, not really made for towing, there are much better tires for towing.. come on people use your fuqqin brains
How do you like the falkens on the 2020 so far. I have them on my Duramax and really like them so far don't know for sure how many miles are on them because I only run them in the winter
Hey man so far I love them!!!
Is it possible you used your rear locker more with this set?
Crittergitter 10 no
Too low pressure, no rotation, its not rocket surgery.....
Looks like over inflated wear also towing doesn't help
Are you planning on doing the ceramic yourself? Have you considered ppf?
Coating myself. The ppf is so damn expensive
@@workplaytv heard Armor Shield IX is pretty good. Vinwiki actually has a video on it and validates that claim. Best of luck!
Should get nitto ridge grapplers. They last a while for an all terrain.
I know guys who haul stock car trailers who burn off a pair of BFG’s on the rear during the racing season. Towing heavy loaded trailers will chew them up. Saying that they won’t change tire brand as when the pits get muddy the BFG’s even worn perform.
You are spinning the rear wheels in 2wd and/or towing to much weight. load capacity 1653 Pounds. It is not the tires it is the way you are using them. Towing 10,000 lbs should have double rims dualiees on back
Ok so everything you said was incorrect in that comment.
I'm surprised that you couldn't make it up the small incline, you should have tried 4wheel high at 60 mph😁! Ty for sharing
Hahahaha
Looks like you have way to much air in these tires. I keep 40 psi from and back on my 275 65 r18 and tow weekly. I have 45k miles on them with 50% tread still. Dirt roads too.
The X3 is a totally different tire and MUCH heavier. All depends on your application and needs.
damn expensive. almost twice what other AT tires are. I like them. Hard to find a good 3 peak mountain snowflake rated tire thats gonna be good in the snow and give good treadlife.
how long can I use on duster?40.000 km is it possible.
THAT is good to know--- I was considering getting some of those.. BUT...
Shoulda went with the x3's eh?
Stop whining about the f ing weather and get to the point of your video... moving on...
Thank god
Hey wish to have a bit of that weather here ...by the way sorry to hear what happen in your area last week...muchos locos!! going around... put the front tires on back use for a bit then put a new set of good ones..stay safe😷😷
I can't believe you tried the hill. Lol. Hard time a few months ago on the wheeler. Nice swamp trail at the top
Your local? Sorry man if we have had this convo
@@workplaytv mount uniacke area
Scott Benn I was thinking that. Our weather sucks! Lol
You're running a light duty truck tire on a 1 ton pickup pulling 10k pounds and not rotating. That's no wonder. Snow tires tend to eat up a little quicker in general because they are made of softer compounds. Sounds like you just need a different tire for that truck.
Rating adds up to 14 k. Truck has 11,500 gvwr. More than enough trite. Had slog of tires and non did that.
@@workplaytv there is a lot more variables that plays into that I'm sure. Maybe they were wearing prematurely, maybe there was a reason for that. My last set were cooper at3's and they were awesome tires. Great snow/wet traction and we're rated for 55k Miles. I rotated them fairly often but only got 35-40k Miles out if them. However I know I'm rough on tires ( heavy foot, pulling boats/ trailers, and the occasional loss of traction😅) that's also in a 1500 pickup. Keep in mind a 3500 pickup weights much more and has 2-3 times the amount of torque being applied to the tires. For whatever reason I think that snow rated tires tend to wear a little faster in rough conditions because they are made with softer compounds.
I know the BFG KO2 had to be redesigned for diesel trucks because they were eating rear tires like crazy. Maybe see if General has the same thing going on.
Evan Tykocki They don’t. BFG has two versions of the KO2; one with the 3PMS, and the DT version with a mileage warranty. The Grabber ATX offers both of those features in one tire.
Chris fix??
Thanks for taking us along, And the education on tires, and that was a real steep hill, I can understand why the truck could not make it 🙋🏻♂️
Are the lt rated??
Wha???
@@workplaytv light truck rated..i am confused bc I swore u said 8 ply and e rated. E rated is 10 ply I thought?
@@bengleckl1877 they are E rated . I can’t remember what I said this was a long time ago. Lol
How are these tires holding up on your dad's Ram? And did your father in law pull the trigger on them as well, if yes how are they doing there? I'm just wondering for those of us who don't necessarily tow very often if these tires will wear better?
Josh Hales on my dads ram they are holding up great. Father in law didn’t get them.
@@workplaytv Thanks for the quick response. Love the videos and excited to see what happens with the new property. Hitting that subscribe button right now! Keep up the good work.
I just put 35x11.5 20 Nitto ridge grapplers on my 2017 F 250 so far I love them. Have you ever ran them?
No I haven’t but have heard good things
Ridge grapplers suck in snow on my Cummins 1 ton
I think this guy works for falken tires
Kim Capone Hahahahaha no. Just give honest reviews bud
Hahaha just joking. Didnt think you would get back. Lol. Canadian country girl....parry sound. Did you go with the falken wildpeak at3w. If so how are they. Need tires for deep snow. Thanks
Kim Capone Hahaha. I have the Falkens on my 2020 but when I replaced these I went back to the Toyo Open Country AT2. Went with them for the f rating. Actually posted a video a couple weeks back.
You can put IDENTICAL tires on a F-250 and a Tacoma; You can tell me which set will last longer.
The mileage warranty is NOT an indication of their lifespan, it simply tells you how long the manufacturer will warranty the tire. I rarely see any of my 3/4 customers get more than 30k-35k miles out of their tires even if they don't tow/haul.
Lol it's grand solar minimum. Get ready for snow in June and July in awhile
I will never put them on my 18 f350 ever again we tow everyday they suck , traction isn’t that good
why you putting cheap ass tires on your 350 ya poor
Bearded Barnstormer no far from its work truck go through them not wasting money
Hey buddy I got all my PTM stuff done on my 2020 Platinum Tremor 6.7. Do you have an email or something and I'll send you some pics. I think it looks so cool man. Might give you some ideas.
Philip Freudenberger awesome buddy. Workplaytv12@gmail.com
I had the same issue with my set. My thoughts are it has something to do with the soft tread compound of the Three Peak Mountain Snow rating. I believe BFG has a towing version now because of this same wear.
Multiple videos like this about these tires , bad bad for towing .
Nice!!
I had the same issue on my F350 with the BFG KO2....I dropped to 65 psi when and they wear more evenly. Plus, frequent rotation helps, but you already know that part.
Yeah you bet I run 60 in the rear
I've had the same experience with my ATX's on my diesel f350, fronts look perfect and back ones are chewed off especially in the centers, my back ones are worse than yours and that's in less than 6,000 miles
Yeah it’s weird. Not much weight in the read on a regular basis
Same, my rears are hitting the wear bar at 5,000 miles. Towing trailers 90% of the time. I'll be posting an urgent update soon.
Take 15psi out of the rear. They sound over inflated
@@ThriftyGarage Dude…your issue was operator malfunction, plain and simple.
@@Icutmetal Obviously I'm not the only person experiencing these excessive wear issues with this tire.
Are you spinning them out
Michael Neuhaus Lol no
Smart for operating within your limits - especially being by yourself, but I was somewhat kinda surprised you didn’t crawl right up the trail. Must’ve been way steeper than the video is able to show - obviously.
Andrew Hensley Oh yeah it’s steep.
You should have rotated more often if towing heavy loads
I was supposed to pull
Over on the side of road on my trip and do it?
9500lbs is light
Jesus Christ would you get to the point over 2 minutes of bs before you even mention a tire
Merry Christmas
Falken Wildpeak AT3W man only way to go
Have them on my 2020 so far really like them
Looks like the rear tires are over inflated and your spinning the rears obviously way more than the front..
Sorry.. but its not rocket science bro
Oua H8ter Lol another person who has no clue
Ok, well let's talk about the real issue, you bought a Ford truck #1, #2 your not running the correct air pressure when towing and not towing, I have had 0 issues with mine on a ram towing an excavator, so clearly the issue is on your end 😂
Early crew, wya?
Delano Welch ?
workplaytv you know the crew of people who are early to watch somebody’s yt video
I have 7K on my atx tires 2019 f150. They worked amazing in ohio winter past season. I only needed 4wd 3 times all winter and all 3 times were on ice on inclined driveways. Only complaint is road noise
Joshua Lake I think they are great for 1/2 ton. My father loves them on his Ran 1500. Wearing great
workplaytv yea I’ve heard they are good for 1/2 tons nothing above. I’ve got about 12,000 o believe on mine (09 f150) and barely have any noticeable wear. I’m surprise they don’t wear more I live in Arizona where it stays 115+ all summer long.
Told ya
You have a heavy duty truck need heavy duty tires get 4 wheeler tires lol
Useless review! too much irrelevant info
Try the Cooper Discoverer at3 xlt tires they are a awesome tire!!
Moses Miller... this might be completely unrelated... but... a few years back I bought Cooper AT2’s (I think, maybe AT3) for my car. I checked the build date on them and they were within 2 or 3 months of my purchase. They didn’t even last 5 years and one split because of dry rot. They were all 4 dry rotted but I replaced them after the one failed. I believe the industry recommends changing tires every 5 years regardless of what they look like. To bad my tires didn’t even make it that long. Hopefully this was limited to the type of tire I purchased and not all Cooper tires. I know I will never buy their products again. Hope your luck is better.
I won't buy any more cooper at3.s tires only lasted 25000 miles not much towing.just enclosed two place snowmobile trailer in the winter.
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