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General Grabber ATx Long Term Tire Review
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Did you use that size on a 3rd gen 4Runner? Any issues fitting it other than the cupping?
This was for a 5th Gen 4Runner. It’s the max size I would use. When upgrading tire sizes I always do a bunch of research first. You can look up a tires actual dimensions. Some tires run bigger than their labeled size. I look around to see what problems others have. Honestly, on a stock 4Runner this exact tire might only fit 9/10 vehicles. Nothing is perfect.
@@ThriftyGarage Was that a safe I saw in the floor ;)
Safe Room; tornado shelter really. We put together a tornado survival kit in another video and show more of the inside.
Your caliper has a built-in depth gauge...the thing that sticks out the end
Lol that part made me face palm
@@svtirefire The amount of things I learn late is insane, everyone should do a day of watching how to use tools on youtube lol. Its hard to learn everything just by experience. Because one trade knows some things and use certain tools everyday while another will use other tools and have some other knowledge
@@Teajam yeah I hear ya. I've been doing the same job for 17 years and sometimes I still figure out things I should have known years ago haha
I was saying there same thing in my head when he using the square
Cupping is an indication that your front end is out of alignment. You should definitely rotate any tire at ~5000 miles, but proper alignment is the solution for cupping.
Cupping is a common problem with oversized aggressive tires. I’ve seen this occur on nearly every oversized set of tires regardless of alignment. Yes, improper alignment makes tire wear occur faster.
Good info. For future reference, there is a depth gage on the opposite end of your digital caliper
News to me! I'll have to take a look. Boy would that come in handy.
I have 2 vehicle's with these tires, and I agree with you 100% on everything you noticed. Exactly the same for me!
Just want to point out that you need to remeasure the depth on the "new" tire to get the tread depth from the wear bar. That will give you a true estimate in remaining tread life.
You are correct. Definitely not the most scientific method. I'll be sure to do a better job on the long term mileage review for the truck towing tires.
18000 miles, how many of those had a trailer and how heavy is your trailer/load?
Hey I got 107k miles on my General grabber at2 On my 1gen tacoma. Had them high speed balanced and one had to be trued when I first put them on. Absolutely great tires for the money. Currently looking for another set. I think they replaced the at2 with the ATX. My tires had started cupping. The Tire Guy told me it was the bushing that holds on the rack and pinion steering was wore out.
I'm not impressed with the tread life. I've got these on my Silverado 2500HD and the performance is less than desirable. I'm thinking it's the 3 Peak Mountain snow rating. It's too soft and more of a snow tire composition.
Just ordered 4 of these today from Walmart for $137.98 each General Grabber A/TX 265/70R17 115T for my 4Runner. Mainly because they're ranked top 3 on Consumer Reports 2020 Best Tire for snow and ice performance.
Is that a 3rd gen 4Runner? Is the r17 for the 5 spoke or split 6?
@@Dan27894 5th gen 2014 SR5 Prem. 5 Spoke.
Interesting video. Currently running these in SL on my tundra. Have 20k miles on it with more than half tread left. I'm currently considering upgrading it to an E load LT after my current set wears out.
Load Range E on our 4Runner was too much. Really heavy, reduced gas mileage, poor performance on washboard/gravel roads. Tundra is a little bigger and weights more, but something to consider.
I love the video man! Very informative. I drive an old S10 with an open diff so I need all the traction I can get.
I just bought 2012 Cummins diesel crewcab and have these tires on it.i have 80 lbs of air and mostly highway and interstate miles on them they make no noise and have 10000 miles on them and the tread honestly looks like the day I put them on. Awesome winter traction
Do you pull heavy trailers often?
1/32 is roughly .032". Worn out is 2/32 or .064. 4/32 is a good point to think about replacing them. So if you start at .500 you get .435 wear. Likely it will wear less as it goes. I came here because I needed front tires for my diesel dually and these were all my tire store had. (6 hour trip tomorrow)
How are you liking them? Have a 18 hour move coming up
@@er5490 I don't like them but was all I could get at the time. I set my toe out myself on my Ram 3500 drw. I figure I had 1/2" toe in which wore out the new tires I bought the truck with last year. I aimed for 0 toe in. I'lll be okay til they wear away. A chevy with independent suspension I don't know about toe.
@@spudth thanks for the response. Good heads up
That little ridge on the lugs you're talking about must be some kind of "break in" indicator because my Falken AT3W's had something similar and the tire performed much better (stickier on rocks and had better grip in the snow). Just my findings and I think the tread compounds are similar with silica content for cold weather grip.
Are you saying that your Falkens had better snow traftion than the ATX?
@@chilidog73 where in my comment did I state that?
You'll be shocked when you see how short the life is on that Duramax, I like the general, it offers equal traction to the BFG but both the General and BFG have very short life spans on my 3500 Duramax SRW, The Cooper AT3 XLT is outperforming them all for heavy truck wear.
Good to hear! I'm always on the hunt for a durable set of tires. The General Grabber's didn't last long (check out that video). I now have a set of Falken Wildpeak AT3W and they are doing better but not as well as I would like. The Coopers were on my short list but didn't make the final cut. Perhaps they will be my next replacement.
I like tires with Load Range E, especially when my Van and Suburban carries a minimum of 7 people.
when you remeasured from the change indicator for the old, you did not remeasure for the new. so for new from change indicator, it might have been less than .52 inches, therefore bring up your life percentage
That's cool that you have two sets to compare to each other! Seems to be a pretty good tire, I have only heard good things.
I have been pleased with them. Great aggressive tire that perform well. I can't wait to see how the next couple of year(s) go so we can do a final mileage review on this tire.
I put these on my 2012 ram 2500 with the Cummins and have put on over 30000 miles and hve still got70 percent tread left highway and gravel road I rotate every 4 to 5 k miles
Again Great Review 👍
LT E Rated Good Year Duratrac 18/32 tread depth
Thank you the Vermonter
Thanks for watching!
This treadwear is exactly what I experienced with the atx. They are not low cost anymore!! I'm going back to duratrac I've be tried three different tires nothing wears like the duratrac. Kind of torn is trying toyo at3 or falkens though. I had toyo at2 were a great tire.
I am currently running Wildpeak AT3W, BFG KO2, and Cooper AT XLT (different trucks). I am in different stages of testing but have researched all these brands and believe them to be good All Terrain tires for towing with a 3/4 or 1 ton truck.
@@ThriftyGarage I think you might be Right. Theres not a lot of bad out there to be said about any of them. There's slight differences within the choices but they're all good choices. I feel like Im chasing rainbows and in the end... There's not a Lotta difference. Throw the Duratrac and toyo open country at2 and maybe he new Mickey Thompson at in next time
I’ve learned to be cautious with the Three Peak Mountain Snow ratings. I believe they have a softer compound that results in rapid wear when towing.
I rotate mine every 5000km
and mine are very load ~ traction is fantastic though.
I just got a set of 315/75/16 on my suburban and I love them so far
Good stuff. Need a good plowing tire and you answered my question.
Not meaning any offense, but I would highly recommend watching a video on how to use calipers. You pretty much did it the most difficult way possible lol. The little piece that pokes out the end of the slide can be used to measure tread depth. But even ignoring that, you can use the flat on the back of the jaws to measure the stickout of your ruler.
👍 Thanks to comments like yours I used calipers correctly to measure tread depth on my most recent tire review video: BFG KO2 vs Falken Wildpeaks
Get your front end alignment done, and check your front suspension components for the cupping issue! Also run the right air pressure.
Check, check, check!
what is the correct tire pressure for these tires?
I want to say I've been running them at 38 PSI.
You probably should be closer to 44-48psi. Thats what I run on my sierra with LT tires. Especially if you tow, work your truck. If not the tires heat up more and will wear faster.
@@ThriftyGarage Put at least 60 PSI in them. Low pressure is a death sentence for tires of any kind.
If you are running a different size tire, then your odometer would be off. Hence your mpgs would not be correct vs original tire size. So saying your mpgs have dropped may or may not be correct.
Your pressure is probably too high on the Tacoma if it's wearing the center excessively, these E rated tires seem pretty finicky about pressure and load. Given the huge amount of payload these trucks can carry I guess it's not too surprising.
The recommended pressure for my econoline is 55 front and 80 rear but that's for a full load of 3500 lbs, obviously the rears aren't going to need 80 psi empty and they'll wear pretty badly if I don't adjust the pressure for the load.
It seems like inflation recommendations are a closely guarded secret from the tire manufacturers, they just want to go with the automakers pressures to avoid liability.
Well don't you get a free tire if it wears out before the 55,000 Mile warranty?? I just ordered those thru discount tire for my Wrangler and they have a 60,000 mile warranty.
How do u like them so far ? Planning on 37x12.50x17 on my wrangler
What PSI are you running on your Duramax??. I need to run an E load AT at 80 psi on my Chevy? Thought on durability at 80 psi??
We typically run 60 psi on the front and 80 psi on the rear. We have several newer tire review videos that we had a better durability experience with.
Per several tire mfg websites, cupping is caused by misalignment, bent/unbalanced wheels, and bad/worn suspension. Blaming it on oversized tires is misleading.
I’ve owned many stock, lifted, and lowered vehicles over the years and never had cupping due to having different sized tires than factory. Bigger tires can cause premature suspension failure leading to cupping, but it is not a direct cause of the issue.
I have this tire on my 09 wrangler.. I have had BFs on my 94 Chevy truck as well as this tire .. The thing I think that makes both of them last so long... Is how flat the tread is.. Both great tires! But I think General has Goodrich beat with a lower price and same quality..
I’d have to disagree. I believe General has a softer tread compound which is great for traction but not great for longevity. I have videos on the General, Falken Wildpeak and BFG tires. Currently it’s a toss up between the Wildpeak and the BFG. Let’s just say I wouldn’t try the General again. I would be curious to see how many miles you get on a set.
These look like a better version of the K02
And cheaper than the KO2 too
Good video. How close did they get to 50,000 miles?
Thank you!
Falk wildpeak at3w gas 18/32 tread depth
Your depth gauge is on the opposite end of your caliper
Why would someone not rotate their tires lol, If you use Conventional oil ever other Oil change, if you use Synthetic ever oil change!
I have a question for anyone who sees this and is in a tire shop or shop that does tires. when rotating tires does anyone ever switch the sides the tires run on by Demounting and spinning them around and rebalancing? Seems like a lot of effort but if it has benefits id be down to do it on my family's amd my own cars.
I believe some tires are directional. In that scenario you probably should dismount and flip the tire around on the rim.
My BFG KO2’s have lasted me 7 years with about 90 thousand miles on them through the cold winters and hot summers, pavement and dirt rocky roads. The tread is well worn and it’s now time to change them to a new set. Didn’t really notice to much wear until I was around 80 thousand miles, but, mostly my fault because in 7 years I never rotated my tires and didn’t fix my alignment issues 3 years ago. KO2 so far have been the best tires that I’ve owned along with other BFG products.
Wow! That’s impressive!
Falken wildpeaks have 20/32" tread depth.
Have general grabbers at2. Love em... tho the shoulder closes up as they wear. The ATX seems to be cut all the way down for the shoulder blocks. Got 73000 km on my at2 and still decent tread, but they are getting swapped. Going larger and a different rim. So I'm thinking of the ATX or BFG ko2. The ATX is cheaper and since the AT2's were such a great tire for off road and Canadian winters, I'm probably going to stick with general
What vehicle and application do you intend to use them in?
@@ThriftyGarage 17 sierra 1500. I use mine year round and off road.
I have a 2017 4runner and are thinking about getting the same oversize tires that you got. Didn't you say that you tow a trailer a lot with the 4runner? Because the stock Bridgestone Duelers on mine have 46k miles and could go longer. I just wanted to mention that towing has a very very big impact on tread life.
When I started my landscape business I towed an enclosed trailer for 4-6 months. Since then I have purchased a truck. So the 4Runner rarely tows anymore. These tires are E rated so very heavy duty and overbuilt for the 4Runner. This aids in longer tread life but will affect ride, handling, gas mileage and other performance factors. I have enjoyed the more aggressive look these bigger tires give.
Nitto Exo Grapplers have 19/32" of tread. Actually the General atx has a little bit less tread than most.
When I filmed this video most aggressive AT tires had 18/32" of tread or less. That may have changed since then. How do you like the Nitto Exo Grapplers? They look like a good tread pattern. What driving conditions do you put them through?
Thanks for the review. Curious how often you had your 4Runner in 4WD with these tires? It’s between these or falcon wildpeak’s for my Tacoma. Live in Canada, similar winter weather.
Picked up a set of Wildpeaks for the work truck. Excellent tire! I've put more miles on the Generals. I've had some issues which you can see in other videos on the channel. Still testing the Wildpeaks for long term and so good so far.
@@ThriftyGarage did you get the p rated or lt rated tires wildpeaks at3w
I believe they are E rated. Definitely not P (Passenger) rated. They would likely be LT for Light Truck.
@@ThriftyGarage I was going to get the grabbers atx but I seen your review how much they were wearing on you. And other video's I've seen had the the same wearing issue. I've decided to get the wildpeaks at3w. I've only seen and heard good reviews on this tire. How are your wildpeaks doing so far.
Kim, they are definitely doing better than the ATx in my driving situation. I have the exact same oversized tire and they have surpassed 5,000 miles without the same wear problems. I need to do a comparison video but as for now I'd say AT3W for towing daily on the 3/4 ton. As far as the ATx tires on the 4Runner go they seem to be lasting much longer with slight cupping (which is common for oversized). I should mention they are E rated as well so they should last much longer on a midsize SUV anyway.
cupping is your fault for not using the right size as is the noise for not rotating properly .
Excellent
So ATX , Duratrac or ST MAXXX.....??? For off-road ability.
I've never ran the Duratrac or ST MAXX off road. Sorry, can't really provide a fair comparison.
I've driven both the Duratrac and ST Maxx. Off road the ST Maxx wins easily. Never ran the Grabbers though.
Mastercraft CXT have 16/32
Thanks for the video. Don’t the general grabbers have a 60,000 mile warranty? I feel like you should just get a free set for your next set. Also I think the KO2s don’t have a warranty. Please correct me if I’m wrong
BFG has a 50,000 mile warranty.
@@ThriftyGarage oh that’s what’s up
@@ThriftyGarage did you end up switching to the BFGs
I now have identical size tires on both work trucks. A set of BFG KO2 and a set of Falken Wildpeak AT3w. Should make for a good comparison.
How's the road noise on these tires?
They are pretty god for an all terrain. If you listen for them you might be able to hear them. If you develop any cupping you will definitely be able to hear them, especially after you rotate them. But after rotations they will smooth out and quiet back down.
I was told to rotate every 2500 miles so twice in 5000 miles to get the 55000 miles that's what I'm trying
That's never a bad idea. The more often the better!
@@ThriftyGarage I will let you know how it goes keep up the great videos
This used 2 be the standard 20 years ago 2500 miles tire places are getting cheap and corporate screwing public as always
Old tire measurement=0.336" and 0.252" to the wear bar.
Wear bar is 0.336"-0.252"=0.084"
Factoring in the wear bar, the new tire would be 0.52"-0.084"=0.436"
So, 0.252"/0.436"=57.8% tread life remaining
With 18,000 miles, you'll get ~42,000 miles out of them if they continue at the same rate.
You did mention the cupping and that these are overdue for rotation again.
Would be good to measure all 4 tires at multiple points across the tire (all at wear bar) to get both a feel for variance in wear and use the average as a more representative number than a single measurement. Time consuming, but would be valuable data.
Wow! I need to hire you for the channel scientific data collector!
@@ThriftyGarage engineer and a data nerd, can't help myself 😂🤣
the other end of your micrometer is a depth gauge........
Yea, I probably should have known that. 🤦♂️
How was the ride.. I have a 15 4runner.. I always had issues with my ko2 shaking my steering
Smooth ride as long as you stay on top of rotations. They are a heavier tire and larger so there was a slight difference in acceleration.
Yeah I spent more money on road force balancing then the tires them self
@@godblessamericanbass303 I have them on my 2012 4runner and they are super smooth I really don't notice and difference in noise from my Michelin Ltx ms tire
The added weight on the tire or a rim isn't really going to affect mpg. It's mostly due to change in size of your tire outer diameter. Depending on the weight of your vehicle, but for the most part, its take around 10% of vehicle weight to really make a noticeable difference, and tire weight isn't going to do that directly. The only way you could see that difference is because your handling ability decreases with the increased weight and therefore, you drive worse or more inefficiently. All in all, I don't think your tire weight is going to affect your mpg at all in the grand scheme of things.
Weight in the tires and wheels DOES affect mpg greater than the same weight in the vehicle. Not only is is it unsprung weight, but it's rotating weight. One website I found indicated that "1 lbs. of rotating weight is equal to 9.25lbs. dead weight." I can't speak to the validity of those numbers but this concept is similar to my understanding on the matter. A larger tire size will also affect the mpg if the actual odometer reading isn't recalibrated correctly.
That's definitely not true. The rotating mass is a huge factor.
If you don't rotate and keep the air pressure right you should not be doing a tread life video!! You should know that.
It’s called real world testing and a true test of what an average consumer will experience. I never said I didn’t rotate or that I didn’t check the air pressure. More or less I was saying that I could have done a better job. I doubt many consumers are actually rotating their tires every 5,000 miles or are checking their air pressure on a monthly or weekly basis.
If you rotate @ 5K, they will give you 80K + easy ✅
There is no way. Not towing.
My tires were rotated four times in 18 months and were totally shot at 14,600 hwy. miles.
Why would you put load range E on a heavy duty pickup? You really that thrifty or?
Load range E is 10 ply tires rated for 3750 lbs each, so 15k pounds max capacity. That exceeds the GVWR of all 450/4500 trucks on the market. Not sure what's thrifty about that? You can't get anything other than a load range E in 285/75R16.
Joshua Hagen What the heck are you talking about? Load E is expensive and a heavy duty 10ply rated tire. Smh
I find it stranger that he put an E rated on a 4Runner. I know this is quite popular in the 4Runner community, but I would try to avoid a E rated on mine at all costs. Seems way overkill for these. I'm shopping tires for my 4Runner right now, and I'm leaning toward these, but in a P rating or a C rating, max.
If I were to be going to Moab off road like I used to I would keep the Load Range E. Much stiffer sidewalls that prevent puncture. Next time I'll probably go with a Passenger rated tire for better mpg.
Agree these are amazing in all kinds of wet and wet snow, and much better performer than bfgko2 in anything wet. In my opinion I think the tread compound is too hard on bfgko2. I'll take traction over treadwear any day. 👍
.5 inch not .5 inches
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