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General Grabber ATX 50k Miles Of Abuse - Tire Review
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
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After putting 50,000 extremely hard miles on the General Grabber ATX All-Terrain Tires I wanted to share my experience with them. In this video I tell you what I like, love and hate about the General Grabber ATX
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I respect your review and the way you did it; no brand pushing and clear explanations about what you did and how you did it. If I may, I'd like to make some notes from someone that drove hard, tested, raced and ran a shop for a very long time.
General tires have never been bad. In fact, some of their designs, mostly speed rated, have been well above par. The issue with General tires is, they will always chunk. First of all, I do not personally, nor do I recommend, that anyone run a tire more thN 4 years. I don't care what the mileage is. The compounds used in today's tires, regardless of manufacturer can't take it. That's not brand new, it's been the same since before the Millennium Bug. It's rubber. It heats up, freezes, flexes left, flexes right, takes that unexpectedly harsh railroad crossing, and much more. On your vehicle, I noticed a little bit of wear that I can 100% attribute to suspension. Not bad. It's a lifted truck and the tires have 50,000 miles on them! You are good to go. And, in my opinion, your review is good to go because you're being honest. Period.
A tire purchaser has to know what he wants (yes, "he", I'm to old to play semantics). Traction or Treadwear. From the big boys, for the lo gest time, you couldn't beat the rubber compound (read traction) and tread design of Bridgstone Duelers. After the REVO, though, the design lost the ability to disperse water and snow. For an everyday driver that wouldn't get dirty, the Michelin LTX A/S (30 year old design) is still a great grocery getter. The BFG KO2 does a lot of things right for those that play, and perhaps ONLY play, in their trucks. Interlocking lugs = solid. Also means, you aren't dispersing water, snow, or mud. Thickest shoulder. Not sidewall, but shoulder. Being driven on low pressure at crawling speeds, this is a winner.
To be clear, I don't run either of these tires. It is 100 degrees today, and in 3 months, I'm going to drive to work in snow covered roads and interstates that may, or may not, be plowed. It rains heavily here at times, and drainage is always an issue.
When I was in the automotive industry, I hated Goodyear tires. They literally had o ly two good designs, and they were plagued by rubber compound issues. I run Goodyear Duratracs on my 4RUNNER, and have over 70,000 miles of experience with Duratracs on my Jeep TJ. What they give up to the BFGs is that thick shoulder area. Now, I can't say how much reinforcement is there, but outside looking in, the KO2 appears to be thicker. Goodyear chose to make more biting edges. If that is in line with their claims of reinforcement in the sidewall and shoulder area then I get it.
Most tire manufacturers have an underlying ethos that they are very scared to get away from. Very. Scared. Think about it, it passes down through generations "my father always had luck with these tires, so...". The tire game is where many in the business have stood on their laurels and just rode the wave.
Identify your true needs. What is your 80% driving weather/terrain. Ask the right questions. The answers are out there and we'll documented.
Sir William, I apologize if this comes off as a diss of any sort, it's just that you stepped into my wheel house and I felt obligated to pass on some wisdom.
I've used General Grabbers in their various iterations for years and tried KO2's once as well as Toyo Open Country's once. As far as off road ability and ruggedness they all did whatever I asked them to. And, no, sorry BFG fan boys, while I liked them they were not superior to the other two. The reason I went back to the Grabbers each time was highway ride, handling and low noise. In those aspects the Grabbers were always noticeably better and, unfortunately, I spend far more time getting to destinations on the pavement than playing when I get there. As some have mentioned though, by the time you reach the point where all terrains make a significant difference over slightly aggressive highway tires, except for ruggedness, you probably need a mud tire.
I've had no problems with the k02s but I found they didn't have enough siping. I had them siped at a shop and it made a huge difference in snow and even mud traction.
I have the Falken Wildpeaks and they are great too.
been waiting for this review from your for a while and i have to reiterate what others have said; this is what a legit tire review should be like. honest, long term experience over all possible conditions with no bias. its really hard to find drivers that can present this info AND push their vehicles as hard as you do! much appreciated dude.
Straight up one of the best honest reviews! Appreciate it!
Great review!! I have Grabber ATX on my 2014 FJ Cruiser. I have just over 30K miles on them. I was running Goodyear Duratracs which are great, but lord they were noisy on pavement. The Grabbers are soooo, quiet, by far the quietest AT tire I've owned. (95% of my driving is on pavement.)
For what it's worth the Grabber ATX does really, really well in snow and hard-pack snow. We've had several storms the past two winters in Central NY which dropped between 15-28 inches of snow and the Grabbers just shrugged it off - even when climbing or descending steep hills.
Keeping in mind that no tire will save you from reckless/stupid driving, I've been very impressed with these tires in a variety of weather, road and trail conditions. Definitely plan to purchase another set of Grabbers next time.
Damn... $147ea right before covid!!! Those same exact tires are now $267... I'm watching reviews because I'm shopping. Even the P-metric version is $217
I don’t think I need to watch another review, this guy nailed every point. Great review bro.
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed
I've been looking little over a month now on RUclips trying to find the tires I think I would like. I have to say, this is the best honest video I come across!
Thanks Glad you found it useful
great review. Sounds right up my usage alley. Mostly road and quiet comfort is what I'm after, and for the amount of off I'll realistically do it'll be more than sufficient. Added bonus is that they are a light weight tire, even better for mileage.
Good, honest, review. I replace my tires well before they get that worn. Particularly when they get side damage. And, like you, I only run E load tires for the sidewall protection.
Had a set on my Nissan Armada, I worked on the west side and lived on the east side of the state. I’ve ran the Snoqualmie I 90 pass in all conditions from dry to wet to ice and snow. The only time I questioned the tires was once, but that was due to speed over conditions. I was running 70on compact snow and ice and barley felt loose. However while towing they do feel a bit soft due to the thinner side wall.
Excellent review.
Superior to most all. Very informative and brutal real world usage.
Thanks
Thanks for a true Review. Tired of hidden advertisements....
I put about 40,000 miles on my General Grabber ATX tires before selling my 4Runner. Sounds like we had a similar experience. Personally I found the Load Range E tires to negatively affect the ride. On wash board roads it felt like the suspension had a difficult time keeping up with the unsprung weight of the tires. Our use was mostly around town and freeway with an occasional trip off road. If I were to do it again I'd go with a Load Range C. As far as the General Grabber ATX tires they worked pretty well with our 4Runner. But I put a set on my 3/4 ton truck I use to tow heavy trailers and I didn't have a good treadwear experience. After only 5,000 miles the rear tires were bald. The rubber compound for the 3-Peak Mountain Snowflake rating does not work well with heavy towing applications. For the 3/4 ton truck I've since moved to the Falken Wildpeak at3w and have about 22,000 miles on them. They are about ready for replacement. Not quite the 55,000 miles they are rated for but much closer than the General Grabbers in the exact same application.
I ran ATs for more than a decade over several rigs before I decided that going with an MT was a significant performance upgrade. No, they don't wear as long, but by the time you need the traction of an AT, you really need the traction of an MT. Currently I am running/a big fan of General Grabber X3.
Nice. I have the Yokohama geolander Mt on a jeep and they are great as well.
Great concise no bs review, god I hate those stupid click bait wannabe reviews on RUclips for anything
General makes great tires. I just put another set of General Altimax Arctic 12 snow tires on my wife's Subaru Crosstrek. Great tires that work super in the snow (and mud).
Great review. Slapped a new pair on my GX. Happy trekking.
Wow!!! A real review by someone other than those that pretend they buy all their stuff and obfuscate the fact that pretty much their whole channel is marketing for the free shit they get sent! ;-) Great review. I have had absolute amazing results from the Falken Wildpeak AT3W on my 1997 Land Cruiser 285/75/16. So much in fact that I think I am going to move up to 35s but not yet because these tires hold up so well. I too do a lot of highway miles to get to the sweet destinations...Minnesota to out west is far!
Glad you enjoyed. Ive heard good things about the falkens. I went with toyo MTs
Same. Almost to 70k on my falken at3w's as well. Great tire. It'll probably age out before wearing down.
I have a JK and am currently running the 35s grabber x3 I have over 80k on them road / offroad and absolutely love them still have over 17 /32 on them unbelievable..however trying to find a 37 X3 is virtually impossible so I’ve been looking at a AT and came across the ATX only wish the tread was an 18 or 19 /32nds for a 37 do to the wearing as you mentioned.. great video best one so far I’ve come across 👍🏼
You’ve got me sold sir William
If you haven't already made you mind up on your next tire, I strongly endorse the General Grabber X3. I've put two sets of them through absolute hell, and they've handled it all admirably.
I went with Toyo MT and they have been awesome
like my general grabber atx so much on my tacoma I also put them on my wifes 4runner and she loves them in the snow up here in Canada and having the snowflakes rating it makes it legal where snow tires are required
Just bought a set LT265/70/17 “C” for my 4Runner. Thanks for the vid. 👍🏻
Awesome review. I got the Grabber ATX for my Nissan Xterra a year ago and they have done great in the sand at the OBX and out at Uwharrie National Forest. They are my favorite tires I have had, compared to the BFG KM2 mud tires (too loud, and only got 27k out of them) and to the Cooper Discoverer ATP (very comfortable, but more road oriented). I only got about 10k on them so far...but they are awesome. Perfect balance of comfort, on road performance, and off road aggressiveness.
Damn good review!! Just put these on my new Tacoma. I’ve had a lot of AT tires and these have done amazing in the snow we get.
EXCELLENT video, dude---Your experiences prove once again the so-called "all terrain" tires---regardless of manufacturer---just ARE NOT suitable for "all" terrain.
NEXT, I'd love to see you go to the same places/situations on a set of Grabber X3's.
Keep up the great content!
A great review. I really appreciate it and the fact that you are comparing it to the KO2 and have had them on your vehicle tells me exactly what I need to know. Nice channel.
I just randomly found this video researching tires and you looked really familiar. Then I see the Lexington SC address on the tire receipt and recognized you. You used to work at Fred Anderson Toyota when I worked there. I was in parts.
I did you are correct!!
@@SirWilliamGoes I thought so. Cool to see you stated a channel and grew a BUNCH of subs! I quit at the same time you did or around it and started a business. December 1st 2015.
For the life of my I don’t know why you don’t have more followers. I think you do a great job. I have been watching since your first trip cross country. When I was sure you would die. Thanks for the great review.
Too outspoken on other platforms about things which result in less than stellar algorithm placement amongst the major tech companies. Thats my guess!!
Thanks for following along!!
On the Grabber AT2 the tread didn't clean out slush either I am going to rate slush with mud, I just bought the ATX tires today I am looking forward to see what they can do! I did get 65,000 miles out of the AT2 tires.
Thanks!
On dirt/gravel roads mine throw rocks like crazy. It's much better as they age but still more than my bfgs on the taco
The stock Michelin ltx at2's on my truck threw rocks like crazy too. These weren't as bad
I’d like to see you try the destination xt, my next tire for a Dodge 3/4 diesel.
Cooper Rugged Trek! Try em out, best of both worlds.
Those tires are done man. Good review. Upgrade
Don't forget MTs in the Northeast brother. A matter of fact I think our conditions in NE, SE and NW are probably real similar. Slippery, muddy and sharp rocks and timber to take out a tire. Gotta have more robust tires than in the SW. I've seen people bring Patagonias to the NE and wonder why they don't work well.
Haven’t been there yet. Will be around Nov
As soon as I looked closer at these tires.. I assessed the sidewall is very plain...very unprotected.. and then here this guy is talking about the damage to the sidewall...
I think they should have brought the edge design a lot lower on the wall
50,000 miles in one year? You're more than Sir William Goes, you're Sir William Went.
Haha to be fair i think i put them on in late 2019. Over the past year we racked up most those miles as we have been traveling round the US full time.
I put these tires on a LR Discovery 5. Road noise, even after an alignment, is quite loud...louder than I'd like. I get that going from an all season to an AT tire there are tradeoffs, but I've done a similar upgrade to ATs on another vehicle with terrain contacts, and not had as much increase to road noise.
Interesting. I found these to be quiter than others
Thanks man! I was looking at these, and now I will buy some! :)
I have General Grabbers ATXs on my 1st Gen Tundra 2WD and I live in MA and they’re great had KO2s before and IMO the ATXs are better.
Yeah the General are great tires
I just got this tires , my truck is still new to me.. and I still have to do so much to it.. upgrades and etc and getting new tires was one of the things I wanted to do.. I hope they will last me long time but I know I will be making a video on them years down the line )
They’ll def last you plenty long so long as you take care of them by rotating them etc.
Ditto (="I respect your review and the way you did it; no brand pushing and clear explanations about what you did and how you did it." OK !
Mine i just bought the 3rd atx today last ones last about 80000km and still some tread , is a good tyre
I love snow
Good honest review. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed.
Thank You Sir, great review!
Nice review
Thanks!
I run the grabber x3 mud tires. 2nd set average 50k miles. 2nd set had some issues. They took care and replaced them right away.
@@bobbybradley7862 I could not tell a difference. They sucked on ice and snow.
Great video. FYI though, it's called under steer and over steer. 😆
Haha. When racing we called it tight and loose.
65,000 miles and still going!
Hell yeah that’s damn good.
Cool review 👍
Good review. Thanks. Is this trail RV Freindly in dully pulling a 35' travel trailer???
Wait... you put 50,000 miles on them in just over a year? sheeesh!
Yeah, travel full time
Stuck between these and the toyo at3w.
Thank you!
Are these made in USA? Great review! I have run Cooper Discoverer AT's for years with no complaints, although we are mostly highway miles with the occasional field trips. Just looking at other options this go round.
Yes they are.
I live in the northeast General ATX is very good in snow. Have you looked at the Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT? I might switch to the Baja Boss. For better mud performance.
I haven’t but I have ran the toyo mt which is my fav tire to date
@@SirWilliamGoes have you tried the Yokohama geolander mt g003 yet?
General x3 would have been better for your use.
Sorry very late comment, actually a question. May i ask you which way did you rotated your tires ?. Thanks and great video.
Not sure of the question?? Just standard rotation
i was just wondering if you rotated front tires to back, rear tires to front or
rear tires to front and crossed front tires to rear
thank you for the reply@@SirWilliamGoes
How do you think they compare to Falken Wildpeak AT3W? I’m currently running Falken Rubitreks on my Tacoma. Really like them for the money.
Not sure ive never ran those.
Now this is a fucking great review🔥 subbed
What size are these tires and do they all come with ray's letters on them that's the only type of tires that I put on my truck I have BF Goodrich on there now Please Comment back And how expensive are these tires please let me know thank you very much for this video I hope you comment back in the market for tires would like to get different tires
These were stock size and yes they come with raised letters
Great video. I’m still between atx or X3 tires.
Mud tires are great for mud, that's really about all. ATX are good everywhere but not as good in think slippery mud
good review
For the side sliding was that less apparent with the Ko2s? In mud/gravel.
Yes
awesome video
So in your opinion Grabbers or KO2s?? Great info, on the trail review
Tough choice and cant go wrong with either. For price And performance id say Grabber
Grabber X3.
Any balancing issues?
None at all.
Would you say these tires chunked more or less than the BfG ko2?
About the same I would say. Maybe slightly more but understandable based on how I've treated them
These or KO2’s in your opinion? Excellent review btw.
KO2 if you plan for any mud. Both are great though
Your saying the bdf ko2 ia bettsr on road in the wet??
Both are comparable Id say
Thanks for the video. How were they for resistance to hydroplaning ?
Never had any noticeable issues.
Any comment on fuel economy compared the stock tires?
I didnt notice anything significant. That said Ive had ats on the truck since very shortly after buying it so I dont even really remember the mpg with stock. I avg 16-18 with these
Great review! I have the same tires on the same truck haha (but no abuse yet)
What are the psi you use for each type of terrain ?
Street I run 32 rocky stuff around 20 slippery stuff around 16 and sand around 10
@@SirWilliamGoes Thank you!
Is that E rated ?
Yes
Great review
Does the tire load rating affect the tire weight?
To the best of my knowledge, yes. The E Rated tire will be heavier but definitely worth it. I still got 18mpg avg with these tires even when aired down
@@SirWilliamGoes the only offroading I do is in sand so I'm trying to keep the weight down w/ any upgrades I do.
@@taylorhickman84 i'd recommend a load range C tire for a rig the weight of the 4Runner. Load range E is too heavy a build for a 1/2 ton truck in my opinion
Rotate rotate rotated..62000+ miles
Are these made in the U.S.A.?
Yes. This is the main reason I went with them
@@SirWilliamGoes Just ordered them today. Thanks for the info
Whats the weight of your SUV full loaded?
Not sure Id have to weigh it
Why do you sound like Patrick Mahomes?
Haha. I dunno but seems to be a common thought lately!!
@@SirWilliamGoes or maybe he sounds like you. Who knows.
Tires are to heavy…. Haha
Lol 🤦🏽♂️