In 1993 a group of western students asked Dalai Lama to sign a declaration that teachers not sleep with their students. he wouldn't aand now look where we are today.
I had to walk away from the NKT , many years ago . Before things went crazy , and FPMT were still involved , I had a decent grounding in Buddhist thought . However when it did go crazy , I had to get out . When someone asks you to be an idiot , stop reading books , or break the vows they have just given you . How can I justify harming others in the search for Enlightenment ?
That the point.... majority of westerners who follow Buddhist tend to believe blind faith to any teacher. It happens due to not knowing the Buddhist tradition follow in Nalanda. You can give respect to any teacher but must always be very skeptical only intellectually by asking questions and observing whether the teacher properly practicing the teaching taught by Buddha.
It is not often that we get the truth on the internet . So thank you very much . I have seen so many lost people . I mean kind hearted compassionate people over the years , taken for fools by people with a certain agenda . What can I do ? Nothing . Just say my prayers .
From my experience, African, and practioner of Tibetan Buddhism for many years, the teacher is relevant, his only duty is to guide one with the meditation practice. The practice is the teacher.
I don’t think we can say this is a uniquely Western issue. I have spent many years in India witnessing blind faith in astonishingly dubious teachings. When people want someone to remove their suffering rather than becoming responsible for their own situation they will believe just about anything 🙏🏻
A person can only misuse or abuse his or her power only when that person is put in a position to do so by others. Some Tibetan lamas abused their power because they were empowered to do so by others. His Holiness message is that don't empower them from by doing due diligence from beginning.
Tenzin thinley Of course, you are blaming the ‘victim’, here - this is unjust. Any teacher holds a position of influence and power and the onus is on THEM not to overstep the boundaries of ethics and intimacy which consequently interferes with the learning of the student, the fundamental basis of their relationship and connection. If a sexual relationship must occur, respect to other students, and the involved student, means the deeper connection must develop outside of the dynamic of teacher/student - perhaps later......
@@camillep9346 Not sure if you're a communist propaganda troll, But ultimately, the point that Thinley makes is that, we are responsible for our self. We cannot control other peoples behavior and actions, but we can control ourselves. So the Dalai lama is advising caution and a skeptical attitude before committing to the guru/student relationship. The dalai lama is not responsible for every single Buddhist master and every single Buddhist school. He holds no authority over them.
@@easytiger266 your response is totally unrelated to my comment. I note that u don’t type HH Dali Lama with due respect. Thank u for calling me a ‘troll’ or ‘communist’ - what are the qualities suggesting these and what do they ‘mean’. Buddhism 101 is us taking responsibility for our own happiness. Teachers behaving unethically IS their problem and unacceptable.
.I think that Jetsuma Tenzin Palmo is my new hero. She opens it up for healing, pierces the boil. I do think the Dalai Lama is a bit dismissive though...
Yes, unwise and immature of jetsunma to bring esoteric teachings on a pedestal where everyone will be confused by it because most won't understand it, but good on her as this issue of senior monks abusing disciples is controlled. However rare it might be. Well explained by His Holiness, but reluctantly because he knows many idiots will think they'll gain superpowers and practice tantra with insincere motivation and become mad.
Everything is as it as. The path is not the path which is the path. It’s on the principle of “I think, therefore, I am not.” The universe has its reason beyond your mind can rationalize.
"i am told by a superior it is not my place to write about nuclear war...that is for the bishops. i am told by a moral theologian that the bishops cannot possibly write about such things without the help of the moral theologian. meanwhile most moral theologians are too concerned with protecting their reputation. soon they may not have a reputation to protect." - dr. louis happy 2020!
No student has the capacity the « tools » spiritual awareness to check on a Master. You can Check a Master only if you have the same level of realization as He! YOU don’t choose a Master, He chooses you!
There is always a way to check a pseudo master or genuine master for an unbiased and reasoning mind in time … there are so many indicators or parameters to gauge 🙏🏼
🙋♂️😠 See the problem is immature pre oedipal and oedipal conflicts unresolved,sex reactive repression is a curse on humanity as much as dysregulated sex ie predatory behaviour 😳
If it is about reaching the state of dispassion, consort is not needed. You only have to interview divorced couples. Lots and lots of stories which will make you avoid marriage. Or try living with abusive, manipulative PRETTY girls. Beautiful but devilish at heart. Sooner than later dispassionate state will be achieved by you. No yoga needed.
The person who made His Holiness, very uncomfortable, I forgive you. If you want to know more, you should have asked a Tantric Master, such question. Clearly, this is not a question for H.H. Yet, when H. H laughs, I am sure, he forgive you.
@Chaim Mendel everyone makes everyone else. Jetsunma, as achieved as she is, has also made a good point but is confused about what is the line that defines tantric practice and abuse, like he said, sexual organs can only be used by tantrics who see no difference between feces and feast, it is not possible to comprehend such acts for a normal conformed person. But she was wrong in bringing up esoteric, tantric practices on a public platform as it is create doubts and confusion about buddha dharma as people will only look at it superficialy.
But of course empowerment text is nothing to do with Buddhism and a gross and unlawful act under the Pali canon as breaking of the precepts on sexual misconduct....in short it's crap!
That’s why no monk will ever do it!You do realize that Tibetan monks also have to follow the Mahasamgika Vinaya which is pretty similar to the Pali Vinaya.If only ever,it’s done symbolically.And also,it’s not sexual misconduct,it’s root downfall(parajika).Maybe stop being a Theravada supremacist especially when you don’t even know heads or tails of what you’re talking😏
This man is a liar! I had a teacher take advantage of me and the only way out was 15 years of fighting This man is lies He shows you nothing this is comedy 😂😂😂
He wasn’t being paid by CIA, he was being protected by them, so money was (and might still be - hard to know) spent on preventing the Chinese from killing him. The CIA were training Tibetans in Tibet in the late 1940s and early 1950s until they simply dropped them altogether and left them to their fate as China gradually overtook Tibet and caused HHDL and hundreds of thousands of others to flee.
Did you know Tibet has flourished since the Chinese tooK control.You should see it now and how the people are really happy and not under the thumb of fuedal Lama control and manipulation. There lot's of videos about it. They've even rebuilt monastery's in Lhasa. They all have running water and electricity and don't have to use yak poop to make their yak butter tea. The Chinese have made a pureland heaven out of the place. China saved Tibet. They can't be all so bad.
@@alankuntz6494 Yes Chairman Mao did a wonderful job of getting rid of apron 90 million people during the Cultural revolution, he makes Hitler look like a small child
Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo asking HHDL, translated by Thupten Jinpa; what a trio!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Indeed! Rejoicing that this gathering took place.
Back when the phd was still a monk..
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A young person must be protected from abuse by those given guardianship roles
Great question regarding crazy wisdom🎯
I had to walk away from the NKT , many years ago . Before things went crazy , and FPMT were still involved , I had a decent grounding in Buddhist thought . However when it did go crazy , I had to get out . When someone asks you to be an idiot , stop reading books , or break the vows they have just given you . How can I justify harming others in the search for Enlightenment ?
would love to hear about your experiences. if you're interested in sharing, please email me: amoroso@nevada.unr.edu
Yes, NKT is a false dharma teachings.They make some critical errors on the most basic tenants. I am glad you escaped!
@@enstigatorofficialno dullwit, they have some very soon teachers.
Yes,, me too. And Hi! Aiden! Long time, no see! Glad to hear that you are well and survived the Cut.
@@enstigatorofficial no, very good in their tenets and explanations of emptiness. op should be ashamed at his twisted doublespeak.
thank you you are holiness and Jetsuma for this insight ❤
I can barely hear anything.
yea so hard to understand
That the point.... majority of westerners who follow Buddhist tend to believe blind faith to any teacher. It happens due to not knowing the Buddhist tradition follow in Nalanda.
You can give respect to any teacher but must always be very skeptical only intellectually by asking questions and observing whether the teacher properly practicing the teaching taught by Buddha.
It is not often that we get the truth on the internet . So thank you very much . I have seen so many lost people . I mean kind hearted compassionate people over the years , taken for fools by people with a certain agenda . What can I do ? Nothing . Just say my prayers .
From my experience, African, and practioner of Tibetan Buddhism for many years, the teacher is relevant, his only duty is to guide one with the meditation practice. The practice is the teacher.
I don’t think we can say this is a uniquely Western issue. I have spent many years in India witnessing blind faith in astonishingly dubious teachings. When people want someone to remove their suffering rather than becoming responsible for their own situation they will believe just about anything 🙏🏻
None of of this was taught by buddha
@@alankuntz6494vows weren't? youre a bit stupid.
A person can only misuse or abuse his or her power only when that person is put in a position to do so by others. Some Tibetan lamas abused their power because they were empowered to do so by others. His Holiness message is that don't empower them from by doing due diligence from beginning.
Tenzin thinley Of course, you are blaming the ‘victim’, here - this is unjust. Any teacher holds a position of influence and power and the onus is on THEM not to overstep the boundaries of ethics and intimacy which consequently interferes with the learning of the student, the fundamental basis of their relationship and connection. If a sexual relationship must occur, respect to other students, and the involved student, means the deeper connection must develop outside of the dynamic of teacher/student - perhaps later......
@@camillep9346 Not sure if you're a communist propaganda troll, But ultimately, the point that Thinley makes is that, we are responsible for our self. We cannot control other peoples behavior and actions, but we can control ourselves. So the Dalai lama is advising caution and a skeptical attitude before committing to the guru/student relationship. The dalai lama is not responsible for every single Buddhist master and every single Buddhist school. He holds no authority over them.
@@easytiger266 your response is totally unrelated to my comment. I note that u don’t type HH Dali Lama with due respect. Thank u for calling me a ‘troll’ or ‘communist’ - what are the qualities suggesting these and what do they ‘mean’. Buddhism 101 is us taking responsibility for our own happiness. Teachers behaving unethically IS their problem and unacceptable.
The issue is we.must, particularly the west attributing wisdom only to Tibet
thanks, that was an interesting insight.
Robert Thurman is funny!
Audio is no good. I can barely hear them and accents are too heavy. Need a transcript please in clear English
.I think that Jetsuma Tenzin Palmo is my new hero. She opens it up for healing, pierces the boil. I do think the Dalai Lama is a bit dismissive though...
Yes, unwise and immature of jetsunma to bring esoteric teachings on a pedestal where everyone will be confused by it because most won't understand it, but good on her as this issue of senior monks abusing disciples is controlled. However rare it might be. Well explained by His Holiness, but reluctantly because he knows many idiots will think they'll gain superpowers and practice tantra with insincere motivation and become mad.
i can not understand anything being said
Everything is as it as. The path is not the path which is the path. It’s on the principle of “I think, therefore, I am not.” The universe has its reason beyond your mind can rationalize.
This is why I turned to Theravada, Forest Tradition, none of this idiocy that is that Lama.... ocean of wisdom indeed ...
lol sucks to be you
one graduates from theravada to sautrantika, to this nalanda buddhism. they explain theravada much better than most theravadins.
Ah! the equivocal Dalai Lama...
dont mistake the nature and scope of the teachings with hyerarchical institutionalized organizations
Jinpa la, this must be a very old video-- what year?
1993, i think.
"i am told by a superior it is not my place to write about nuclear war...that is for the bishops.
i am told by a moral theologian that the bishops cannot possibly write about such things without the help of the moral theologian.
meanwhile most moral theologians are too concerned with protecting their reputation.
soon they may not have a reputation to protect."
- dr. louis
happy 2020!
❤❤❤🙏🙏🙏
🙏🙏🙏
No student has the capacity the « tools » spiritual awareness to check on a Master. You can Check a Master only if you have the same level of realization as He! YOU don’t choose a Master, He chooses you!
Should we wait until someone chooses us
There is always a way to check a pseudo master or genuine master for an unbiased and reasoning mind in time … there are so many indicators or parameters to gauge 🙏🏼
Who chooses Buddha to be Buddha? Ridiculous serfdom mentality of old elite Tibetan power structure held by monks to control majority of people.
🙏🙏🙏😇🙇♀️
the victim will has no fear
Things are not what they seem. So doing crazy thing is like having guts to jump from cliff in dream, knowing it's dream. 🙏🙏🙏
We are not talking about abuse in a dream but in reality and the harm it causes an individual.
Is it possible to see the full video please,
All videos can be found in full here
meridian-trust.org/tag/1993/
@@RK-ec5de thank u so much
🙋♂️😠
See the problem is immature pre oedipal and oedipal conflicts unresolved,sex reactive repression is a curse on humanity as much as dysregulated sex ie predatory behaviour 😳
If it is about reaching the state of dispassion, consort is not needed. You only have to interview divorced couples. Lots and lots of stories which will make you avoid marriage. Or try living with abusive, manipulative PRETTY girls. Beautiful but devilish at heart. Sooner than later dispassionate state will be achieved by you. No yoga needed.
Why is the need for the translator when hhdl can speak english?
Looks, here, that the Dalai Lama can speak just some English and so needs assistance.
..what is a student teacher..
...a monk
eh?..
The person who made His Holiness, very uncomfortable, I forgive you. If you want to know more, you should have asked a Tantric Master, such question. Clearly, this is not a question for H.H. Yet, when H. H laughs, I am sure, he forgive you.
@Chaim Mendel everyone makes everyone else. Jetsunma, as achieved as she is, has also made a good point but is confused about what is the line that defines tantric practice and abuse, like he said, sexual organs can only be used by tantrics who see no difference between feces and feast, it is not possible to comprehend such acts for a normal conformed person. But she was wrong in bringing up esoteric, tantric practices on a public platform as it is create doubts and confusion about buddha dharma as people will only look at it superficialy.
.e
...budda
who ?
I'm Mani padme hum
why was Dalai Lama speaking about Lama from completely discrete school?
Because he was asked
Do NOT “spy” on anyone. A better word here is investigate. I repeat do NOT “spy” on anyone. Bad karma, poor means.
Investigate, observe, inquire...
Thank the Lord you got what he meant 😅
relax, dude , everyone knows what he meant.
But of course empowerment text is nothing to do with Buddhism and a gross and unlawful act under the Pali canon as breaking of the precepts on sexual misconduct....in short it's crap!
That’s why no monk will ever do it!You do realize that Tibetan monks also have to follow the Mahasamgika Vinaya which is pretty similar to the Pali Vinaya.If only ever,it’s done symbolically.And also,it’s not sexual misconduct,it’s root downfall(parajika).Maybe stop being a Theravada supremacist especially when you don’t even know heads or tails of what you’re talking😏
theres so much scholarship on this topic now that this sort of stupid view of tibetan buddhism really requires strong laziness and ignorance
This man is a liar!
I had a teacher take advantage of me and the only way out was 15 years of fighting
This man is lies
He shows you nothing this is comedy 😂😂😂
Which man?
Do you know This man was on pay roll of CIA
He wasn’t being paid by CIA, he was being protected by them, so money was (and might still be - hard to know) spent on preventing the Chinese from killing him. The CIA were training Tibetans in Tibet in the late 1940s and early 1950s until they simply dropped them altogether and left them to their fate as China gradually overtook Tibet and caused HHDL and hundreds of thousands of others to flee.
better than on the pay roll with the chinese communist
Did you know Tibet has flourished since the Chinese tooK control.You should see it now and how the people are really happy and not under the thumb of fuedal Lama control and manipulation. There lot's of videos about it. They've even rebuilt monastery's in Lhasa. They all have running water and electricity and don't have to use yak poop to make their yak butter tea. The Chinese have made a pureland heaven out of the place. China saved Tibet. They can't be all so bad.
@@alankuntz6494 Yes Chairman Mao did a wonderful job of getting rid of apron 90 million people during the Cultural revolution, he makes Hitler look like a small child
@@alankuntz6494 HongKong flourished after British took over,before that small fishing village,when China took back it was commercial capital of world.
Do Buddhism practice asceticism?
Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo asking HHDL, translated by Thupten Jinpa; what a trio!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼