"Padmasambhava said: 'Though the view should be as vast as the sky, keep your conduct as fine as barley flour." Great! Long life for dear Jetsunma! Such a sharp mind and huge devotion to dharma! Thank you for protecting the pure dharma.
The great Guru said but did we understand or realise it, I don’t think so, so shouldn’t it be a crime or lesser than that plagiarising from someone without understanding its meaning first
Living with all your needs met via the CIA and then via donations and not working a single hard day in your life......sounds easy to me .....the only thing hard about being the Dalai Lama is keeping up the facade of enlightenment when your obviously a fraud and a hypocrite. The history of the Tibetan lamas is that of feudalism, exploitation, and abuse of power. Fucq these guys.
HH Dalai Lama makes the point clear that no Buddhist Organization and leaders should create an atmosphere of constant fear and anxiety within Sangha. Love the courage of Jetsunma ....the questions she asked was also my questions. Thank you.
Yes, but did Chogyam create the fear? Do not people get in touch with their fears when meditation is the center? And what of this blame, "he created" and this direct and causal relationship of an organization with the Lama? Create fear? Was this the intent. Organize as only the Japanese can? What does that even mean. I ve said it a thousand times, the poor poor Dali Lama
@@carloshacer4440 Plenty of accounts that he did create fear, besides being in many ways a despicable, manipulative conman who pretty much broke every Buddhist precept.
completely false ,he is not ever responsible for another persons emotions.if one ever met him it was a profund experience of vast spacious mind @@c.a.t.732
Fear is the path also. Chogyam put the fear of death of Chogyam himself in the hearts of his students, they saw how he was destroying himself. Chogyam destroyed their attachment to him this way. If you haven’t walked the path of madness, or if you weren’t propelled on this path, you won’t won’t understand, but is it wrong because of you’re misunderstanding? That’s judgement. You can start a blame game, but Chogyam had to die like all of us, so don’t worry about his behavior, his death showed his success and realization. Don’t judge what you don’t understand.
A lot of Buddhist chickens have come home to roost since this was filmed. Several other big names have fallen, Sogyal Rinpoche and Sakyong Mipham,, for example. Itnteresting to see this issue raised so long ago.
@@a55512192 Just that everyone knows the Catholic church has had a problem with sexual abuse, going back decades, but only relatively recently has it become apparent that sexual abuse is widespread within the Buddhist community.
Sogyal Rinpoche had hidden sexual practices and intimidation as an organisation around him, and this is indeed not the only case to be found. The situation of Chogyam Trungpa is quite different as he was very open about his behavior, not trying to hide it. Now I have no idea about the way his meditation centers are beeing ran since he has passed away. I just know the man was clear and open regarding his behavior. ( sorry for my french accent :) )
@@gaelkellerson893 Lately there have been allegations by those who were close to him that he latterly used cocaine and seconal, so he was not totally open and transparent. There are also allegations that he tortured cats ( because cats are supposed to have not cried when Shakyamuni Buddha died). These are allegations, and I have no way of knowing the truth. However, the behaviour of Trungpa's successor Thomas Rich was reprehensible, insofar as he coerced males to have sex with him, and subsequently gave at least one partner AIDS. He claimed that Trungpa had told him that due to his yogic power, he would not transmit the virus. Again, I do not know the truth about this, but Trungpa left a toxic legacy insofar as his community was riddled with alcoholism and sexual promiscuity. Also, his behaviour at the infamous Halloween party of 1975, where he and his bodyguards manhandled the poet WS Merwin and his partner was out of order, even tho' various acolytes tried to defend his bullying behaviour. The point I wish to make is that there were victims, whether he was open or not. Is bullying acceptable if I am open about it? Bullying is bullying, and no reference to Drukpa Kunley or any siddha can make it less. Rick Fields in his book on Buddhism in America said that Trungpa both did more good and more harm to Buddhism than anyone.
Chogyam Trungpa cannot have been awakened: he was an alcoholic who loved sex and fast cars, not to mention cocaine. If that is “awakening” then you’re welcome to keep it!
So why cut off the video right after Jetsuma Tenzin Palmo's excellent observations and query? We never got to hear his response! So no, this video does not say anything about "Dalai Lama on Chogyam Trungpa," unfortunately . . .
And I will add, " No one owns the Dharma in one's (my) Heart." This is a quote from a trusted Teacher! Whether we have made a "Vajrayana Oath" or not, no one own's the dharma in one's heart, no one! I will not be a fundamentalist Buddhist! IMO, the Shambhala Lineage is fundamentalistic in view and as an organization.
Buddhisms has many levels and different masters have different ways of teachings based on time, people, place etc. as we used to say Buddha himself taught many different teaching s
Yes and a lot of people don;t understand that Tibetan Bon Buddhism is an amalgamation of shamanic bon and Hinduism .It's not first turnings of the wheel of dharma.People should acquaint them selves with Theravada, Mahayana before getting into Vajrayana and not go into shamanic bon Tibetan Buddhism blindly.
I think Ani Pema Tenzin is not taking into consideration that Chogyam Trunpgpa couldn't present himself nor the Buddha Dharma to the Westerners of the day from a conservative moral perspective. The seekers of the day were mostly made up of people rejecting the morality and rigidity of their own religions. Choyan Trungpa was the perfect teacher for the students of the time, and it is largely on his efforts that Tibetan Buddhism became the most popular form of Buddhism in the West. Chogyam Trungpa was a mahasiddha and a amazing Bodhisattva.
I discovered Chogyam Trungpa many years ago - I think via a radio broadcast - I'm going back to the late 70s. It was around this time I became a Buddhist by taking the five precepts. He seemed a wonderful, enlightened master. But within ten years I/we all discovered his gawky behaviour. Oh dear, oh dear!🙄😫🙄!!
@@naveenM. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Guess Dilgo wasn't so all-knowing/all-seeing afterall. www.chronicleproject.com/letters-of-the-current-situation/
You have to be careful, with Chogyam Trungpa, he was someone that took on a lot of other people's bad Karma. For that I'm not so sure that we can full understand. But you still very fortunate to have meet him.
Nothing said here is helpful to anyone His holiness as always laughs, the nun plays her holy holy role. The problem I see with Tibenham Buddhism is too much the feel.of entitlement
What I can respect about Chogyam Trungpa (Iam not his follower though) is that he did not hide his sexual shenanigans neither his alcohol abuse. He was open about it. Those who profess chastity and behind close doors do what ever they please is more disturbing. Sex (penile-vaginal intercourse) is a biological procedure for making babies - there is no love in it.
@@gumbymofugga Buddhism is one of the "flavors" of nondualism, there are many others such as christianity, all of the gods of induism, judaism, vedanta, etc. If one cannot understand basic nondual concepts and models then "ritualization" comes to the rescue, from here rituals grow around the core ideas like barnacles on a ship's hull and after a while the "ship" cannot be seen anymore and we are left fighting eachother because we discuss these "barnacles" (rituals) instead of the core ideas. If you practice inclusion you are included. If you practice exclusivity you will be excluded. Exclude no one from oneness since you will be excluding yourself.
@@nj2ca9234 I agree with everything including the last sentence. Mutual sexual release is not love. It is nice to have mutual sexual release with someone you love though but that's the extent of it.
@@Sunne2day But what is mutual sexual release with someone you love? You can't isolate that love shared between two people because of how it is expressed, it will never be in the human realm of thought or being to deny love the ability to infiltrate all aspects of human life. To suggest that sex can't be full of love is a disservice to the idea and existence of love and seems to be speaking on matters not meant for us.
SO CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT HHDD SAID TO HER --- but then . . . again . . . and foreverly . . . per . . . haps . . . it's a silly plot to hold that we don't know the answer and need it to fall on our ears.
Have you ever done a dna test with your parents?they existed before you and you csn nèver know who your parents are unless there is a dna test done.did you ever doubt if your mother is your mother?
I was a part of Shambhala lineage for over 10 years, I even lived at Karma Choling, and volunteered much of my time at karma choling before I lived thier; I was part of the Kasung as well for 1 1/2 years. What Jetsunma states, in her quote of Padmasambhava, needs to be clearly used as a guideline within Shambhala lineage!!! I left Shamabhala in 2018 due to Mr Mukpo's disgraceful behavior. The so-called Sakyong, Sakyong Mipham Rinpoche, did not own his behavior, his sexual misconduct toward the 3 women, who collectively charged him. Instead in 2018, Mr Mukpo, left his students, left the country, and went to Nepal, in order to somehow escape from what he had done......to this day Mr Mukpo hides and does not own his behavior.....I have been a buddhist for over 15 years, taking my refuge vow at Karma Choling in 2009. And for me, Integrity is the hallmark of being a buddhist, owning one's behavior is the hallmark of being a buddhist. What Mr. Mukpo has done, his behavior, has only added to his "iron shackles of self clinging." Mr mukpo, has still much to learn and much negative karma to work out!!!! I am no longer in the Shambhala Lineage. I miss some of the people....some were dear friends, but I never heard from them again after 2018. And I decided to not bother them.....I have found other lineages and a full scope of dharma teachings that help me and support me with my own individual suffering.....and at the same time give freedom to all sentient beings........I am so happy to have left the Shambhala Lineage, so happy. Because I learned what I do not want to be as a buddhist! that lesson was and is very clear to me now. Mr Mukpo, has his own karma to deal with!!! And Mr Mukpo has affected, perhaps infected, the karma, of the Shambhala Lineage. In the end, we have only ourselves to live with.
And I will add, "NO ONE OWNS THE DHARMA IN ONE'S (MY) HEART," NOT EVEN IF I HAVE TAKEN A "VAJRAYANA OATH" TO A TEACHER. ABSOLUTELY NO ONE OWNS THE DHARMA IN MY HEART. THIS WAS ENCOURAGING ADVICE TO ME, WHEN I NEEDED IT MOST. IN SPITE OF MR MUKPO, I AM STILL A BUDDHIST!!! WHAT HE DID IS NOT BUDDHIST AT ALL. IMO, SHAMBHALA LINEAGE IS A FUNDAMENTALISTIC LINEAGE. IT FAVORS MR MUKPO, ABOVE ALL ELSE, THEY FOLLOW A MAN, AND FOR ME THAT IS FUNDAMENTALISTIC AND NOT BROAD IN VIEW, NOR SPACIOUS, NOR ANYTHING DHARMIC IN TEACHINGS......I ASM HAPPY I SURVIVED SHAMBHALA LINEAGE AND MR MUKPO........
Jakusho Kwong Roshi, tge Zen master of the SMZC is a wonderful teacher, wprds can’t describe. A close disciple of Shunryu Suzuki roshi wand he was a great friend of Trungpa Rinpoche. Kwong roshi erected a stupa at SMZC (Sonoma Mountain Zen Center) in honor of both Suzuki roshi and Trungpa Rinpoche
The crazy wisdom of abusing cats and dogs and violently abusing his wife is never valid. What is wrong with the soul of man that this is not inherently obvious to them and that they need to ask someone else if it is ever valid? We didn’t even get to see the dalai lamas answer!
cool physicalist social contract theory about morality. it gets a little more complicated if the mind is understood as fundamental eg. tilopa spent more time isolated in unbroken perfect single-pointed concentration on love and compassion for longer than you've been alive, and yet he found it appropriate to skin and cook fish alive. this seems contradictory unless it turns out he has way more data about how things exist than we do. or he could jist be like bloated westerners who cook lobsters alive and need to be culled like most other meat eaters
@@backwardthoughts1022 it’s lucky I can trust my own inner wisdom and can access my own inner data without deferring to a mental concept of meditating on love that someone told me about. You don’t know how old i am and it doesn’t matter because old people can be stupid. Also, you don’t access love by meditating abstractly on it. It’s a question of greater sensitivity which you get through living and more mirror neurons, and not having your heart blocked by painful emotions of the past. I don’t eat meat and I agree I have actually cried when I saw lobsters in the supermarket. I thought the lobster thing was brutal and didn’t understand why no one else could see it. However when it comes to eating some things, there are things the body doesn’t do very well on. People have got sick being vegan after about 8 years…. Again we have to feed meat to our pets. If you have a problem with eating meat you’ll have to take it up with Mother Earth and Nature. She is often very cruel. I was planning to ask her more about it. I also wanted to know more about why she even created violent humans, because the reasons I got did not seem enough. Either way the meat eating question has nothing to do with a person who is meant to be a better person, a spiritual leader torturing a living being. I don’t care if someone says it must have a reason. It’s not a spirituality my soul wants to follow.
@@MirageandReality real meditation does not involve abstraction. it is the taking of that intuitive love and compassion you spoke of and bearing scrutiny on it with the equivalent of a laser or a telescope of the mind, in other words by the development of perfect single-pointed concentration. thats meditation and it allows you to truly examine and familiarise yourself with love compassion or whatever else is needed. if such a thing is possible ie. its called shamatha its measured that a single day spent that way garners more data on compassion etc than 1000 years spent thru standard living of a standard mind
@@MirageandReality and i agreed with you, which is why i said single-pointedness is applied to love and compassion themselves. not concepts and thoughts of them. thoughts and conceptuality are quelled on the way to stabilising single-pointedness since they naturally obstruct it
He’s a wonderful Zen master Jakusho Kwong roshi, closest disciple of Shunryu Suzuki roshi and was a friend and at times attendant to Trungpa Rinpoche. Wonderful being. As he is now 88 , this hidden gem must be met at Sonoma Mountain Zen Venter California. There you will also see a stupa that he reverently erected for Trungpa and has many pictures of HH 16th Karmapa in his temple. 🙏💜🙏
Lord Buddha Himself took an ideal structure of life of a monk to observe and serve His Teachings to people. When Nagarjuna brought up Tantrayana as the means towards understanding Buddha's Intrinsic Nature, He called it 'Secret Society' ( Guhyasamaja). Padmasambhava also did not mix up monastic Teachings with yogic teachings, but many in the Lamaistic Buddhist Tradition did as a popular (ity?) method. They neither could give up their establishment to remain as yogis, nor they could give up the yogi-attitude. The good and bad, right and wrong are binaries of mind, as Abhidhamma points out. To be aware of them as well as not support any of them is the yogi/ni way. The monks way is the ideal way of 'one needs to be followed'. To mix these two is to create controversy! Crazy Wisdom should bear the power of Buddha Mind to prove it.
the crow is black because the lotus is white. my hat is small because your hats are big. my banana is big because your fruit is small. big belts are very practical for keeping your balance in a Bangkok meditation shower. unless, of course, your birth is higher than your death. I hope you write your next book in finger paint, your Holiness.
Dalai Lama still doesn’t denounce Trungpa. Dancing around the point. Even with Sogyal, the Dalai Lama is not direct enough in denouncing his activity. Nothing skillful, it’s just abuse. Why can’t the Dalai Lama call it straight?
In summary, the response of HHDL was this: the tantric practices of the likes of Tilopa etc should be used only on an extremely selective basis, and certainly not with the vast majority of practitioners. For those, the life of the Buddha alone should be the exemplar of what is, and what is not, acceptable practice.
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this was a tragedy and byzantium take over of tibet ongoing today.
his holiness as always seems sincere, but understandably embarassed by needing to address the abuses and defend the tradition. god bless him always and forever 🙏🏼🤍🙏🏼🤍🙏🏼
To even think one can argue about someone’s bodhisattva activity without having realised themselves any realisation is so absurd… I feel blessed and fortunate to have heard his name Kyabgye Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
How do you know if someone is highly realized being when the students have not realized anything. Therefore conducting according to the unrealized being till they attain realization is very important. “ even if one’s view is as vast as space , one’s conduct needs to be mindful as much as possible “
@@tashi7451 Exactly no one knows…. And that’s why it’s secrecy is only between the teacher and disciple, unfortunately who after all except the teacher himself and bringing out such things that were supposed to between only two humans (literally), how does it really help with the teaching and its spread??? It also unfortunate that ppl nowadays jump into almost anything because it’s easily available and not realising the benefits and the repercussions of it…. Studying and understanding through liturgy should be a way to such path but how does one judge if one has the potential to be a disciple of teacher, no one (even the disciple) themselves shouldn’t even think they know…. But again who am I to preach all this, the way of vajrayana and tantra have always been protected by our great forefathers only to be mishandled, exploited and misconstrued by modern idiots today…..
Merton sure had a big belt, aye Big Hat? (obviously significantly larger than most. you know we American's have such big belts.) also, summon that Windhorse Brother. i mean idk if you still fuck with the Rigden kings, but...the harpoons loaded. the cage is lowered. the water is red. like you. now's a great time for some windhorse. i am heaven sent, don't you dare forget Calcutta, 1968.
Few Tibetan lamas abuse because they were put into position to do so by others. Dont empower them at the beginning by due diligence on part of would be students. Just don't give them the space to begin with.
True. But also take responsibility if the earlier given space turns out to be discredited by abusive behavior. Rectify past decisions and take responsibility, own your powerful examplary position to decrease suffering where ever possible
Hello if you have so many reasons and fault findings nobody is forcing you to follow Bhuddist. No is pointing gun at you. People like you are always finding fault and creating bad environments.
You have to be careful Tenzin. We don't know of "evil" karma that his students did in previous life time. Have absolute faith that he was purifying it out for them.
In the next part, you will see that Dalai Lama was laughing as hell to see all these poor followers who face various types of exploitation. It is because, look at all these followers, these followers all end up instantly trusting a some monk as their main Guru, they also directly jump into Vajrayan practice without going through the basics bhuddhist philosophy and other studies. So it was also their own fault because these followers have all try to associate themselves with some kind of self claim Rinpoche and tulkus. They continue to follow them despite knowing that these are not following even the monks robes. That's why Dalai Lama was laughing like crazy in next video. However, he also listen to them very carefully...
Bhai, this is true. Many went into it willingly and knowingly and when things didn't go exactly as they wanted then they want to cry "victim". If any were "manipulated" it's because they allowed for it.
@@suryadas6987 No one willingly goes into being raped. Some people had their ears ripped off their heads. No one signed up for that. You don't seem informed about the systemic manipulation that incurs within cults.
@@suncat5160 as HH cites, the realizations of chogyam are not really in question. it can appear like a cult if you are completely clueless and are as inundated with cults as this insane society is, with your every thought being a cliche or social conditioning
The coming of Chogyam Trungpa to the West is one of the major spiritual disasters that happened to the West, to Buddhism and to Mankind in history. But then, of course, this is what Westerners wanted, so they got it.
even a flawed teacher if he teaches the lineage and dharma information properly can still be useful to students. it is the information that is important, correct dharma information.
No this is a miss understand of what happened. There was once a great Buddhist teacher in Tibet named Marpa. He agreed to teach a student name Milarepa but first he had to build a stone tower for him to keep watch over his relatives that were trying to steal his land. So Milarepa would build this stone tower by himself by hand every time it was almost complete Marpa would come by and start cussing him out and beating him, and then ordering Milarepa to build it in another section of the field.
This went of for almost 9 1/2 years, until finally Marpa's wife had enough. She protect Milarepa from Marpa's constant abuse. But Marpa explained to his wife, why he doing what he was doing. Milarepa family had cast him out and in revenge he study "black magic" and killed 35 of his own family relatives. There was no doubt that Milarepa would suffer greatly in the lower realms for eons. Marpa was purifying out as much negative karma, but because his wife interference Milarepa would still possess a taint of his "evil deeds".
Chogyam was a enlighten teacher. So at times it is hard to understand, however, he may been purifying out a lot of negative karma. This happened to Naropa of India. He was a great Indian Buddhist he had not meet his master. One day he heard about his great teacher Tilopa, and found him he was tearing opening a fish he caught. The fish was in agony. But Naropa said it because of my "evil mind" I perceive him this way. Tilopa looked up from him immediately when Naropa had thought this and all sudden fish in his hand was full healed and he threw it back in pond. Tilopa would gone to test and hurt Naropa twelve time in the following years testing his faith. Each time Naropa would endure great pain and suffering only for Tilopa to heal him until finally he achieved supreme enlightenment.
Vajrayogini is depicted as a 16 year old female in full sexual bliss..in what context is this ok!? Vajrayana buddhism is from a very misogynistic and barbaric time in history. Females deserve respect and their view should have equal power
As Ken Wilber points out, you can be a fully enlightened being and still be stuck in dark-age thinking, the two aren't mutually exclusive. He also says, being enlightened is easy, being good is much harder.
@@zootsoot2006 Ken Wilber is eternalist.. he believes in a eternally perfect state/god etc, very different to buddhism and beginningless ignorance and dependent origination.
"Padmasambhava said: 'Though the view should be as vast as the sky, keep your conduct as fine as barley flour." Great! Long life for dear Jetsunma! Such a sharp mind and huge devotion to dharma! Thank you for protecting the pure dharma.
Excellent
The great Guru said but did we understand or realise it, I don’t think so, so shouldn’t it be a crime or lesser than that plagiarising from someone without understanding its meaning first
being the dalai lama would be a tough job.
is there even a job being done at that point?
Living with all your needs met via the CIA and then via donations and not working a single hard day in your life......sounds easy to me .....the only thing hard about being the Dalai Lama is keeping up the facade of enlightenment when your obviously a fraud and a hypocrite. The history of the Tibetan lamas is that of feudalism, exploitation, and abuse of power. Fucq these guys.
HH Dalai Lama makes the point clear that no Buddhist Organization and leaders should create an atmosphere of constant fear and anxiety within Sangha. Love the courage of Jetsunma ....the questions she asked was also my questions. Thank you.
Yes, but did Chogyam create the fear? Do not people get in touch with their fears when meditation is the center? And what of this blame, "he created" and this direct and causal relationship of an organization with the Lama? Create fear? Was this the intent. Organize as only the Japanese can? What does that even mean. I ve said it a thousand times, the poor poor Dali Lama
@@carloshacer4440 Plenty of accounts that he did create fear, besides being in many ways a despicable, manipulative conman who pretty much broke every Buddhist precept.
completely false ,he is not ever responsible for another persons emotions.if one ever met him it was a profund experience of vast spacious mind
@@c.a.t.732
But did he wash his own mouth?
Fear is the path also. Chogyam put the fear of death of Chogyam himself in the hearts of his students, they saw how he was destroying himself. Chogyam destroyed their attachment to him this way. If you haven’t walked the path of madness, or if you weren’t propelled on this path, you won’t won’t understand, but is it wrong because of you’re misunderstanding? That’s judgement. You can start a blame game, but Chogyam had to die like all of us, so don’t worry about his behavior, his death showed his success and realization. Don’t judge what you don’t understand.
I wonder how Jetsunma was answered.
A lot of Buddhist chickens have come home to roost since this was filmed. Several other big names have fallen, Sogyal Rinpoche and Sakyong Mipham,, for example. Itnteresting to see this issue raised so long ago.
what's ur stance?
@@a55512192 Just that everyone knows the Catholic church has had a problem with sexual abuse, going back decades, but only relatively recently has it become apparent that sexual abuse is widespread within the Buddhist community.
Sogyal Rinpoche had hidden sexual practices and intimidation as an organisation around him, and this is indeed not the only case to be found. The situation of Chogyam Trungpa is quite different as he was very open about his behavior, not trying to hide it. Now I have no idea about the way his meditation centers are beeing ran since he has passed away. I just know the man was clear and open regarding his behavior. ( sorry for my french accent :) )
@@gaelkellerson893 Lately there have been allegations by those who were close to him that he latterly used cocaine and seconal, so he was not totally open and transparent. There are also allegations that he tortured cats ( because cats are supposed to have not cried when Shakyamuni Buddha died). These are allegations, and I have no way of knowing the truth. However, the behaviour of Trungpa's successor Thomas Rich was reprehensible, insofar as he coerced males to have sex with him, and subsequently gave at least one partner AIDS. He claimed that Trungpa had told him that due to his yogic power, he would not transmit the virus. Again, I do not know the truth about this, but Trungpa left a toxic legacy insofar as his community was riddled with alcoholism and sexual promiscuity. Also, his behaviour at the infamous Halloween party of 1975, where he and his bodyguards manhandled the poet WS Merwin and his partner was out of order, even tho' various acolytes tried to defend his bullying behaviour. The point I wish to make is that there were victims, whether he was open or not. Is bullying acceptable if I am open about it? Bullying is bullying, and no reference to Drukpa Kunley or any siddha can make it less. Rick Fields in his book on Buddhism in America said that Trungpa both did more good and more harm to Buddhism than anyone.
It is in in accord with what the Buddha taught, lust or desire or craving is the cause of suffering. Look at the tragedy of choyam sogyal....etc
Tenzin Palmo so wonderful asking brave questions.
Why brave? Just shows the inherent misogynistic and power imbalance in Tibetan Buddhism
kinda nagging really
Nothing "brave" about the questions.
Yes, brave questions. Bad behavior should be exposed. May the sunlight of truth pervade the universe.
Chogyam Trungpa cannot have been awakened: he was an alcoholic who loved sex and fast cars, not to mention cocaine. If that is “awakening” then you’re welcome to keep it!
Pay me for it.
I'll show you something cool.
Someone who came from nothing, doing Something.
If that isn't Dharma then what is?
So why cut off the video right after Jetsuma Tenzin Palmo's excellent observations and query? We never got to hear his response! So no, this video does not say anything about "Dalai Lama on Chogyam Trungpa," unfortunately . . .
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Esta en el siguiente video
ruclips.net/video/HScZ1rLBfz8/видео.html
@@n.p.mackenzie thanks
And I will add, " No one owns the Dharma in one's (my) Heart." This is a quote from a trusted Teacher! Whether we have made a "Vajrayana Oath" or not, no one own's the dharma in one's heart, no one! I will not be a fundamentalist Buddhist! IMO, the Shambhala Lineage is fundamentalistic in view and as an organization.
Buddhisms has many levels and different masters have different ways of teachings based on time, people, place etc. as we used to say Buddha himself taught many different teaching s
Yes and a lot of people don;t understand that Tibetan Bon Buddhism is an amalgamation of shamanic bon and Hinduism .It's not first turnings of the wheel of dharma.People should acquaint them selves with Theravada, Mahayana before getting into Vajrayana and not go into shamanic bon Tibetan Buddhism blindly.
I think Ani Pema Tenzin is not taking into consideration that Chogyam Trunpgpa couldn't present himself nor the Buddha Dharma to the Westerners of the day from a conservative moral perspective. The seekers of the day were mostly made up of people rejecting the morality and rigidity of their own religions. Choyan Trungpa was the perfect teacher for the students of the time, and it is largely on his efforts that Tibetan Buddhism became the most popular form of Buddhism in the West. Chogyam Trungpa was a mahasiddha and a amazing Bodhisattva.
What you said is complete bulshit.
I discovered Chogyam Trungpa many years ago - I think via a radio broadcast - I'm going back to the late 70s. It was around this time I became a Buddhist by taking the five precepts. He seemed a wonderful, enlightened master. But within ten years I/we all discovered his gawky behaviour. Oh dear, oh dear!🙄😫🙄!!
Curious what you think of Dilgo Khyentse's support of Thomas Rich, the pedophile who raped kids knowing he had AIDS?
@@naveenM. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Guess Dilgo wasn't so all-knowing/all-seeing afterall.
www.chronicleproject.com/letters-of-the-current-situation/
You have to be careful, with Chogyam Trungpa, he was someone that took on a lot of other people's bad Karma. For that I'm not so sure that we can full understand. But you still very fortunate to have meet him.
Nothing said here is helpful to anyone
His holiness as always laughs, the nun plays her holy holy role. The problem I see with Tibenham Buddhism is too much the feel.of entitlement
Nonsense. There can be no amount of spiritual realisation whilst boozing & shagging your way through the vulnerable.
What I can respect about Chogyam Trungpa (Iam not his follower though) is that he did not hide his sexual shenanigans neither his alcohol abuse. He was open about it.
Those who profess chastity and behind close doors do what ever they please is more disturbing.
Sex (penile-vaginal intercourse) is a biological procedure for making babies - there is no love in it.
@@gumbymofugga
Buddhism is one of the "flavors" of nondualism, there are many others such as christianity, all of the gods of induism, judaism, vedanta, etc.
If one cannot understand basic nondual concepts and models then "ritualization" comes to the rescue, from here rituals grow around the core ideas like barnacles on a ship's hull and after a while the "ship" cannot be seen anymore and we are left fighting eachother because we discuss these "barnacles" (rituals) instead of the core ideas.
If you practice inclusion you are included.
If you practice exclusivity you will be excluded.
Exclude no one from oneness since you will be excluding yourself.
I agree with everything except that last sentence.
@@konstantinNeo Very nice. Thank you for writing.
@@nj2ca9234 I agree with everything including the last sentence. Mutual sexual release is not love. It is nice to have mutual sexual release with someone you love though but that's the extent of it.
@@Sunne2day But what is mutual sexual release with someone you love? You can't isolate that love shared between two people because of how it is expressed, it will never be in the human realm of thought or being to deny love the ability to infiltrate all aspects of human life. To suggest that sex can't be full of love is a disservice to the idea and existence of love and seems to be speaking on matters not meant for us.
Tenzin Palmo is awesome! WHERE IS THE DALAI MAMA"S RESPONSE to her brilliant questions?
@@voizes325 Why "courage" ? Is it so dangerous to tell a simply truth to the Daili Lama ? Is he not aware of it ?
SO CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT HHDD SAID TO HER --- but then . . . again . . . and foreverly . . . per . . . haps . . . it's a silly plot to hold that we don't know the answer and need it to fall on our ears.
His answer is also on youtube, if you check all videos under his title.
why just go follow her ...dont follow HHDL, no need to bark around
@@susandevore3706 Can't find it. If you can put the link or title of the video that would be helpful.
Now Showing:
Chogyam Trungpa - The Guru Who Shagged Many
Why does Tenzin Palmo say that the Mahasiddhas of the past abused their sexual partners? How does she know?
Have you ever done a dna test with your parents?they existed before you and you csn nèver know who your parents are unless there is a dna test done.did you ever doubt if your mother is your mother?
Maybe someday somebody can digitally clean up the sound on this video, for the sake of people in the future.??
It's very simple: don't judge. Forgive.
Yes. And be grateful. Thankful. and maybe try make someone smile
@@whatistheevidence370 You hold no greivances?
Oh please. These men need severe consequences and accountability. Bullshit to forgiveness.
Don't judge violent rapists like Trungpa?
I was a part of Shambhala lineage for over 10 years, I even lived at Karma Choling, and volunteered much of my time at karma choling before I lived thier; I was part of the Kasung as well for 1 1/2 years. What Jetsunma states, in her quote of Padmasambhava, needs to be clearly used as a guideline within Shambhala lineage!!! I left Shamabhala in 2018 due to Mr Mukpo's disgraceful behavior. The so-called Sakyong, Sakyong Mipham Rinpoche, did not own his behavior, his sexual misconduct toward the 3 women, who collectively charged him. Instead in 2018, Mr Mukpo, left his students, left the country, and went to Nepal, in order to somehow escape from what he had done......to this day Mr Mukpo hides and does not own his behavior.....I have been a buddhist for over 15 years, taking my refuge vow at Karma Choling in 2009. And for me, Integrity is the hallmark of being a buddhist, owning one's behavior is the hallmark of being a buddhist. What Mr. Mukpo has done, his behavior, has only added to his "iron shackles of self clinging." Mr mukpo, has still much to learn and much negative karma to work out!!!! I am no longer in the Shambhala Lineage. I miss some of the people....some were dear friends, but I never heard from them again after 2018. And I decided to not bother them.....I have found other lineages and a full scope of dharma teachings that help me and support me with my own individual suffering.....and at the same time give freedom to all sentient beings........I am so happy to have left the Shambhala Lineage, so happy. Because I learned what I do not want to be as a buddhist! that lesson was and is very clear to me now. Mr Mukpo, has his own karma to deal with!!! And Mr Mukpo has affected, perhaps infected, the karma, of the Shambhala Lineage. In the end, we have only ourselves to live with.
And I will add, "NO ONE OWNS THE DHARMA IN ONE'S (MY) HEART," NOT EVEN IF I HAVE TAKEN A "VAJRAYANA OATH" TO A TEACHER. ABSOLUTELY NO ONE OWNS THE DHARMA IN MY HEART. THIS WAS ENCOURAGING ADVICE TO ME, WHEN I NEEDED IT MOST. IN SPITE OF MR MUKPO, I AM STILL A BUDDHIST!!! WHAT HE DID IS NOT BUDDHIST AT ALL. IMO, SHAMBHALA LINEAGE IS A FUNDAMENTALISTIC LINEAGE. IT FAVORS MR MUKPO, ABOVE ALL ELSE, THEY FOLLOW A MAN, AND FOR ME THAT IS FUNDAMENTALISTIC AND NOT BROAD IN VIEW, NOR SPACIOUS, NOR ANYTHING DHARMIC IN TEACHINGS......I ASM HAPPY I SURVIVED SHAMBHALA LINEAGE AND MR MUKPO........
And what was it that he said exactly? I cannot understand him, and the transcript translation seems to be unintelligible.
Such a good comment from the sister at 5:36 mins in please. Infact me for further discussion
Jakusho Kwong Roshi, tge Zen master of the SMZC is a wonderful teacher, wprds can’t describe. A close disciple of Shunryu Suzuki roshi wand he was a great friend of Trungpa Rinpoche.
Kwong roshi erected a stupa at SMZC (Sonoma Mountain Zen Center) in honor of both Suzuki roshi and Trungpa Rinpoche
The crazy wisdom of abusing cats and dogs and violently abusing his wife is never valid. What is wrong with the soul of man that this is not inherently obvious to them and that they need to ask someone else if it is ever valid? We didn’t even get to see the dalai lamas answer!
cool physicalist social contract theory about morality. it gets a little more complicated if the mind is understood as fundamental
eg. tilopa spent more time isolated in unbroken perfect single-pointed concentration on love and compassion for longer than you've been alive, and yet he found it appropriate to skin and cook fish alive. this seems contradictory unless it turns out he has way more data about how things exist than we do. or he could jist be like bloated westerners who cook lobsters alive and need to be culled like most other meat eaters
@@backwardthoughts1022 it’s lucky I can trust my own inner wisdom and can access my own inner data without deferring to a mental concept of meditating on love that someone told me about. You don’t know how old i am and it doesn’t matter because old people can be stupid. Also, you don’t access love by meditating abstractly on it. It’s a question of greater sensitivity which you get through living and more mirror neurons, and not having your heart blocked by painful emotions of the past. I don’t eat meat and I agree I have actually cried when I saw lobsters in the supermarket. I thought the lobster thing was brutal and didn’t understand why no one else could see it. However when it comes to eating some things, there are things the body doesn’t do very well on. People have got sick being vegan after about 8 years…. Again we have to feed meat to our pets. If you have a problem with eating meat you’ll have to take it up with Mother Earth and Nature. She is often very cruel. I was planning to ask her more about it. I also wanted to know more about why she even created violent humans, because the reasons I got did not seem enough. Either way the meat eating question has nothing to do with a person who is meant to be a better person, a spiritual leader torturing a living being. I don’t care if someone says it must have a reason. It’s not a spirituality my soul wants to follow.
@@MirageandReality real meditation does not involve abstraction. it is the taking of that intuitive love and compassion you spoke of and bearing scrutiny on it with the equivalent of a laser or a telescope of the mind, in other words by the development of perfect single-pointed concentration. thats meditation and it allows you to truly examine and familiarise yourself with love compassion or whatever else is needed. if such a thing is possible ie. its called shamatha its measured that a single day spent that way garners more data on compassion etc than 1000 years spent thru standard living of a standard mind
@@backwardthoughts1022 nope, as I said, I disagree you can feel love and compassion only by focusing single pointedly on a concept.
@@MirageandReality and i agreed with you, which is why i said single-pointedness is applied to love and compassion themselves. not concepts and thoughts of them. thoughts and conceptuality are quelled on the way to stabilising single-pointedness since they naturally obstruct it
Love this video and conference
Where can we get the access to the larger talk? I really wanted to hear his Holiness is response to her question!
What's the name of the lama who's asking the question? I believe he's chinese or japanese. But I might be wrong.
When chogyam spoke as a guru…..well ,he deserves respect for that.other stuff. Be holy as I am holy comes to mind- but he was human.
Dali Lama couldn't have said it better.
S a l v a d o r D a l i L a m a ? :P
Wish I knew what he said
the Zen guy has balls
. . . hey, no wonder: thats the Nr. ONE attribute of a r e a l ZEN monk ;D
That's my teacher. Not perfect but he's the real thing.
@@tightmf really impressive
zen 4 life
He’s a wonderful Zen master Jakusho Kwong roshi, closest disciple of Shunryu Suzuki roshi and was a friend and at times attendant to Trungpa Rinpoche.
Wonderful being.
As he is now 88 , this hidden gem must be met at Sonoma Mountain Zen Venter California. There you will also see a stupa that he reverently erected for Trungpa and has many pictures of HH 16th Karmapa in his temple. 🙏💜🙏
Really really smart questions from Jetsunma.
Lord Buddha Himself took an ideal structure of life of a monk to observe and serve His Teachings to people. When Nagarjuna brought up Tantrayana as the means towards understanding Buddha's Intrinsic Nature, He called it 'Secret Society' ( Guhyasamaja). Padmasambhava also did not mix up monastic Teachings with yogic teachings, but many in the Lamaistic Buddhist Tradition did as a popular (ity?) method. They neither could give up their establishment to remain as yogis, nor they could give up the yogi-attitude.
The good and bad, right and wrong are binaries of mind, as Abhidhamma points out. To be aware of them as well as not support any of them is the yogi/ni way. The monks way is the ideal way of 'one needs to be followed'. To mix these two is to create controversy! Crazy Wisdom should bear the power of Buddha Mind to prove it.
Guhyasamaja Tantra literally advocates incest and eating human flesh as a way to enlightenment. Are you supporting that?
the crow is black because the lotus is white.
my hat is small because your hats are big. my banana is big because your fruit is small.
big belts are very practical for keeping your balance in a Bangkok meditation shower.
unless, of course, your birth is higher than your death.
I hope you write your next book in finger paint, your Holiness.
I will write my next book in finger paint. Ty
Who’s the twitchy American in a suit?
Surya Das
When the west acts all pure
WOW. Potent.
Dalai Lama still doesn’t denounce Trungpa. Dancing around the point. Even with Sogyal, the Dalai Lama is not direct enough in denouncing his activity. Nothing skillful, it’s just abuse. Why can’t the Dalai Lama call it straight?
2:58
imo
2:55 monk is Theravada Ajahn Amaro.
To be free of the gravitational pull of the earth does not give one entitlement to soar recklessly through the sky.
This video is followed by this one, I think: ruclips.net/video/c-1hfSmwuYE/видео.html
thank you!
In summary, the response of HHDL was this: the tantric practices of the likes of Tilopa etc should be used only on an extremely selective basis, and certainly not with the vast majority of practitioners. For those, the life of the Buddha alone should be the exemplar of what is, and what is not, acceptable practice.
You can’t argue or need to explain to someone who understands all as perfectly as HH
Nunca me he considerado devoto de SATYA SAI BABA por ejm problemitas con el alcohol y tambien el dice que tenemos que perder LA CONCIENCIA DEL CUERPO PARA TRASCENDER ( Honestamente creo que los seres espirituales tenemos que humildemente examinarnos )) SAI BABA tenia un devoto aspirsnte muy amsdo por el ISASC TIGRETT construyo muchas obras. El dice el dinero es de DIOS
His Holiness the Dalai Lama's response re. CTR was absurd. Playing it up for the Japanese also.
i did vajra yogini initiation with kensure rinpoche in adelaied hills in winter in a heaven realm im sure but actrualy i can make piss run backwards
lonliness gives rise to compasion in union the object of ta tha ga ta , thus theo a=non goer chogyam trumpa was a buddha who cut through spititual materialism of Oxford TAVISTOCK COINTEL THULI JEW JESUIT INFILTRATION OF TIBETAN VAJRA YANA ETC also at ULAR RU SNAKE RU=ADAMU NON PRODUCT MU=utu star of staturn X deva nagri kota city milky way of desire on the path of union so a blow on the headwith platform shoe as she whom must be obeyed eats custard from truman show tv a woman would say that she has no idea where perfume of MT DO NA BU ANG, empty of inerant or uncaused production DO=honerific DA=thus NA=short for innana , BU ANG MY, MOTHER OF WISDOM=YESHE=PRAJNA=AMRITA SO WINE BEAR GUNJA DJIN OUT OF THE SIN BIN 21 c SEA TURTLE TRIALECTIC IS TZONG KHAPA FLOATING DAWN TREADER NARNIA IS REAL LANKA ASTRIA CIAR PARVELL IS REAL I INVOKE A DIETY REALM AS NARNIA ALLEGORICALY OF COURSE THE LORD OF THE RING TOLKIEN IS OUR O ODIN BLOND RED HAIRED GOBI DESERT FOURTH WAY OF GURJEFF TRUNGPA DEE THE ELIZABETH 1 court ALCHEMIST DID NOT DIE OF MERCURY POISONING LIKE VEN TUN BIKKU DR OF WESTERN MEDICIN DISROBED POLITICAL ASSYLUM IN AUST burmese chin bapists run burmese west aust buddha vihar dont be nieve its all truman show tv folds a jewtoons luny tunes warner time h g wells machine molock is murdoch abc 666 beast fox=666 murdoch is fromi mars a nergal ngaal myaal creek jew herr borman today is pm howard pm bliar is golballs no balls pm uk donagal fuk a duck is 1 fuked up ira uva maimi show band murdering mounbaotn pedophiles down under fiona barnett steve mcmurray also bond uni 007 plantagenate jacobige rose cross mena rose law usa gen jim joy dick up bum is sick fuk chogyam trungpa the drunk who did by the time he slanders usa rockn roll reveals a child rapist NIXON FAN OF FIONA BARNETT BELL BUNA CLARK RUBBER RUPERT CLARK A SCHOOLBOY I SPENT A YEAR AT GEELONG GRAMMAR IN A CANVAS BLIND DORM REVEALED A SOLID AND NOT A BAD CHAP RUPERT CLARK A YEAR OLDER NOT A BULLY I RESPECT < IM MORE OF A BULLY AS GRANDSON WW2 ROYAL ENGINEER GEN SIR CLIVE STEEL < I LOVE RESPECT THE ORIGINAL BRILLIANCE OF CHOGYAM TRUNGPA AND MY DR DO LITTLE PUSHME PULLUTU BOHEMIAN MERCURIAL RAPSODY I NOTHING TO DO WITH ALCHEMY OF A PHYSICAL ANIMAL DUALISTIC SENTIENT REALM WHEN AS MOST WESTERNERS DO LACK CLASSICAL ANCIENT LANGUAGE TRAINGING THE INABILITY TO PHARSE INTO URDU UR SUMER LAND OF SUBARTU OLD SUMER AND VEDIC PALI CREOL A PRAKRIT SANSTRIT DIALECT BUDDHA SPOKE 2500 years ago is neccesary to understand dharma pali languages of ja va boro budure , at ULAR=SNAKE RU=ANNNATA BASICALY OR SHUNYATA MORE ACURATLY AS AMATA YONI OR HONEY ANT DREAMING IS AT LEAT 40000 years old permeating ABORIGINEE LANGUAGES THE WHOLE RISE OF THE WEST FROGSHIT IS SEDITIOUSUSA ISREALI COMMUNISM OF NAZI SCUM
comment on lonliness and love , i forget whats being dualistic like in bohemian mercurial rapsody bipolars medicate themselves cant feel a thing
john hughes also without comming into error kept four precepts no lieing killing stealing intoxicants but slept with only good looking femial potentially tantrika arya already sotipan guided by jdh bdcu upwey students and got away with in the 1980s before mobile phones were wide spread cammeras for police its not possible now exept in aborigine culture to do secret mens secret womans amata palya ularu adamu non product mt do na buang perfume of innana is what that means in my pali lexicon
maybee if chogyam trungpa allowed homosexual so called tantra a missnoma as its dysfunctional and a curse used by isreali communists to enlighten us to thier fuked by bb netinyahoo holleywood spirit cooking causes englightenment chogyam trungpa loved horses dew wmd will neccesistate animal kingdoms of raj yana
comming commonwealth of austronesia
kargue evam is too close to freudian psychiatry now after frank olson story cia gave kargue evam students who were gay fukwitts hiv in usa to vilify crazy wisdom authentic ular ru snake ru lams zopa says is abandoning the net of wrong views that assert a permenent uncaused self soul creator demigog as abrhami fukarse nazi cunts jews jestuis do that we hate those mara mara angers prodgeny possessed of anger bigotry of culturaly aquired morals and puritan pure land dogmas of antiquated jew fukarse nazi cunts from isreal etc in buddhism no evangelical jewish piiece of tibet invading yale usa newsletter china editor mao tze tung was usa jew nazi isfali spy as is yakki platt etc chenrezig inst australia cia
what is the rational annaztasia palezczuk a suspect non semetic
aksnasaski polish boshevic labour moss cass mknaomi cass jew has to keep
qld tourism separate from southern states in winter that is treason and
capitalism of internatonalism gone awry
not much cause of
future human birth or use of action consort human kundalini fire
happening here its cromwell in a different form fuking utu. star of
saturn circle hex double triangle seat of java makan borobudure ja makan
vajra yana ular snak work is bipolar sandi monku magi bali hindu
buddhist sufi mainstream reciting texts terma buried treasures is my
job.
a beutifull journey into slavery inspiring but not the
mainstream form of buddhsim kuta mahayana pura bali practice as do bali
hindu budhists and singa raj sufi aslan lions not necesarily kings
anzacs dont swallow custard licked from bb netinhahoo dick we hate and
regard all abrahamic jew jesuits as our tradtional york house mounbaton
uva ira donagal enchanted life something strange about mary boyle
fruedian beyond blue ndis askanasi jew nazi cunts
this is
accurate history anyone can talk and confuse us with detali as bertrand
russle did in history of western philosophy very sinicaly and flippant
history of gibbons decline and fall of roman civilizaton also completly
fuedal approaches to history what about GDP TIBET UNDER 7th dalia lama
on this was a tragedy and byzantium take over of tibet ongoing today.
The patronising looks between the men when Tenzin spoke, the cognitive dissonance ...
why did they let a woman become a buddhist in the first place? geez
You are imagining the "patronizing" looks. This you are wanting to see.
@@VajraVidyadhara 😎👍💯🎯 🙏
@suryadas6987 He has no good answer.
his holiness as always seems sincere, but understandably embarassed by needing to address the abuses and defend the tradition. god bless him always and forever 🙏🏼🤍🙏🏼🤍🙏🏼
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To even think one can argue about someone’s bodhisattva activity without having realised themselves any realisation is so absurd…
I feel blessed and fortunate to have heard his name Kyabgye Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
How do you know if someone is highly realized being when the students have not realized anything. Therefore conducting according to the unrealized being till they attain realization is very important. “ even if one’s view is as vast as space , one’s conduct needs to be mindful as much as possible “
@@tashi7451 Exactly no one knows…. And that’s why it’s secrecy is only between the teacher and disciple, unfortunately who after all except the teacher himself and bringing out such things that were supposed to between only two humans (literally), how does it really help with the teaching and its spread???
It also unfortunate that ppl nowadays jump into almost anything because it’s easily available and not realising the benefits and the repercussions of it….
Studying and understanding through liturgy should be a way to such path but how does one judge if one has the potential to be a disciple of teacher, no one (even the disciple) themselves shouldn’t even think they know….
But again who am I to preach all this, the way of vajrayana and tantra have always been protected by our great forefathers only to be mishandled, exploited and misconstrued by modern idiots today…..
Puke.
Merton sure had a big belt, aye Big Hat? (obviously significantly larger than most. you know we American's have such big belts.)
also, summon that Windhorse Brother. i mean idk if you still fuck with the Rigden kings, but...the harpoons loaded. the cage is lowered. the water is red. like you. now's a great time for some windhorse.
i am heaven sent, don't you dare forget Calcutta, 1968.
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Bravo Tenzin Palmo!
Foi traduzido ? ... !
Hmmmm my Roshi had his own sex scandal so...
ॐ मणि पध्मे हूं।
Om mani padme hum
Gostaria que fosse traduzido para o português, por gentileza !
Eu vou traduzir e publicar no meu canal
Por gentileza, o Sr. traduziu e publicou ?...@@AmigoMonge
Few Tibetan lamas abuse because they were put into position to do so by others. Dont empower them at the beginning by due diligence on part of would be students. Just don't give them the space to begin with.
True. But also take responsibility if the earlier given space turns out to be discredited by abusive behavior. Rectify past decisions and take responsibility, own your powerful examplary position to decrease suffering where ever possible
Hello if you have so many reasons and fault findings nobody is forcing you to follow Bhuddist. No is pointing gun at you.
People like you are always finding fault and creating bad environments.
@@sepald6575 Correct! 😎👍Mostly this coming from westerners.
You have to be careful Tenzin. We don't know of "evil" karma that his students did in previous life time. Have absolute faith that he was purifying it out for them.
In the next part, you will see that Dalai Lama was laughing as hell to see all these poor followers who face various types of exploitation.
It is because, look at all these followers, these followers all end up instantly trusting a some monk as their main Guru, they also directly jump into Vajrayan practice without going through the basics bhuddhist philosophy and other studies. So it was also their own fault because these followers have all try to associate themselves with some kind of self claim Rinpoche and tulkus. They continue to follow them despite knowing that these are not following even the monks robes. That's why Dalai Lama was laughing like crazy in next video. However, he also listen to them very carefully...
Bhai, this is true. Many went into it willingly and knowingly and when things didn't go exactly as they wanted then they want to cry "victim". If any were "manipulated" it's because they allowed for it.
@@suryadas6987 No one willingly goes into being raped. Some people had their ears ripped off their heads. No one signed up for that. You don't seem informed about the systemic manipulation that incurs within cults.
@@suncat5160 Sure thing, buddy. 😂
@@suryadas6987 strong argument you have there 😶
@@suncat5160 as HH cites, the realizations of chogyam are not really in question. it can appear like a cult if you are completely clueless and are as inundated with cults as this insane society is, with your every thought being a cliche or social conditioning
The coming of Chogyam Trungpa to the West is one of the major spiritual disasters that happened to the West, to Buddhism and to Mankind in history. But then, of course, this is what Westerners wanted, so they got it.
even a flawed teacher if he teaches the lineage and dharma information properly can still be useful to students. it is the information that is important, correct dharma information.
No this is a miss understand of what happened. There was once a great Buddhist teacher in Tibet named Marpa. He agreed to teach a student name Milarepa but first he had to build a stone tower for him to keep watch over his relatives that were trying to steal his land. So Milarepa would build this stone tower by himself by hand every time it was almost complete Marpa would come by and start cussing him out and beating him, and then ordering Milarepa to build it in another section of the field.
This went of for almost 9 1/2 years, until finally Marpa's wife had enough. She protect Milarepa from Marpa's constant abuse. But Marpa explained to his wife, why he doing what he was doing. Milarepa family had cast him out and in revenge he study "black magic" and killed 35 of his own family relatives. There was no doubt that Milarepa would suffer greatly in the lower realms for eons. Marpa was purifying out as much negative karma, but because his wife interference Milarepa would still possess a taint of his "evil deeds".
Chogyam was a enlighten teacher. So at times it is hard to understand, however, he may been purifying out a lot of negative karma. This happened to Naropa of India. He was a great Indian Buddhist he had not meet his master. One day he heard about his great teacher Tilopa, and found him he was tearing opening a fish he caught. The fish was in agony. But Naropa said it because of my "evil mind" I perceive him this way. Tilopa looked up from him immediately when Naropa had thought this and all sudden fish in his hand was full healed and he threw it back in pond. Tilopa would gone to test and hurt Naropa twelve time in the following years testing his faith. Each time Naropa would endure great pain and suffering only for Tilopa to heal him until finally he achieved supreme enlightenment.
By the way Marpa's teacher in India was Naropa.
Vajrayogini is depicted as a 16 year old female in full sexual bliss..in what context is this ok!? Vajrayana buddhism is from a very misogynistic and barbaric time in history. Females deserve respect and their view should have equal power
As Ken Wilber points out, you can be a fully enlightened being and still be stuck in dark-age thinking, the two aren't mutually exclusive. He also says, being enlightened is easy, being good is much harder.
@@zootsoot2006 Ken Wilber is a clueless idiot
tarded view of vajrayogini jfc
@@zootsoot2006 Ken Wilber is eternalist.. he believes in a eternally perfect state/god etc, very different to buddhism and beginningless ignorance and dependent origination.
@@bensmith4749 He’s not so much of a philosopher and not so little of a practitioner to realize that all these traditions point to the same ‘thing’.