Now why would you say that about her, when she speaks with the wisdom heart of a woman. Wisdom requires being awake, not having balls. This seems to be the problem people are having trouble moving beyond. Gate gate paragate parasamgate, bodhisvaha....nowhere are balls mentioned. Ha, from another nun without balls
@@LisaVBlake it is TAYATHA OM GATE GATE PARA GATE PARA SAMGATE BODHI SVAHA. What i meant with having balls is sadly, traditionally and historically lay women and nuns have been not been given importance in buddhism; even though in Buddhism we have had great dakinis and living embodiments of Tara. Infact they were not even allowed to be in the same prayer hall with men. They had to sit outside the main door and pray. most Buddhist monks / nuns don't dare ask his holiness confronting questions which are controversial in nature. Ani Jetsun Palmo has done that. She is courageous in that regard and I have full respect for her. And since you too are a Ani or nun, I pay my respect to you too....
@@max-z2d the issue with your comment is that you relate courage with masculinity, making direct reference to the male reproductive organ as symbolic of such quality. it is a linguistic matter, but language matters. we all understand bravery and courage as their own stand-alone concepts, there is no need for such misguided figure of speech. I second what the venerable nun wrote above. There are different transliterations of The Heart Sutra. The form the venerable nun wrote it is entirely understandable and you clearly understood that as The Heart Sutra. Your unnecessary "correction" of her spelling (in bold letters nonetheless) just displays contempt in your heart.
The talk is most likely at least 25+ years old since Thupten Jinpa Langri (the monk translating di-robed, term?), in the 1990's. Now he is at McGill Univ in Montreal. They are both wonderful
Sad to read the dismissive comments below, unfairly aimed at a brilliant woman who does so much for the spiritual education of female Buddhists. The old boys club could do with opening their hearts a little.
20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. - Luke 17:20-21 -
I am often dissapointed with the avoidance of difficult questions by His Holiness the Dalai Lama. As a teacher you cannot laugh away the fact that some spiritual leaders are engaged in sexual misconduct, alcoholism and other unskillful behavior. He answers the question about initiations and financial incentive thereof, whereas this video starts right after Jetsuma Tenzin Palmo's brave question about Chogyam Trungpa's (Shambala) abusive un-Buddhist behavior that harmed many students. Her question is completely ignored. In my opinion HH the Dalai Lama should take a very clear stance against injustice, and he is not doing that here. Victims need protection and acknowledgement, not diplimatic answers... What happens here , in my view, is comparable to the pope's initial response to the sexual, psychological and physical abuse in the Catholic church. (first part of the video with the question by Jentsunma Tenzin Palmo: ruclips.net/video/yuoTdzGK--U/видео.html )
While I agree in principle with what you are saying, it's not helpful to over-react without knowing all the facts. Some context is necessary here: It's very clear that this is a very old video of His Holiness. In light of some more recent scandals the late Sogyal Rinpoche (to name one for example), His Holiness has come out very strongly against this sort of behavior (abusive behavior). He even refers to Sogyal Rinpoche as a disgrace. No doubt it is shameful. But let's not cherry pick here. It's also important to look at the big picture and be balanced about ethics in the Tibetan Buddhist community. I am a Westerner and have been in this tradition for almost 20 years now. I've been to many centers throughout the country and have met many teachers in this beautiful tradition and I can tell you plainly that the overwhelming majority of Tibetan teachers are intelligent, kind, generous, and ethical. Living examples of the Dharma. Let's think of His Holiness the Dalai Lama for example. In an age where dishonesty, "fake news", misinformation, conspiracy theories, character attacks, racism and all kinds of disgraceful behavior is disturbingly becoming the norm for those in the public eye, His Holiness is an island of sanity, impeccable moral integrity, and embodiment of peace, love, compassion, forgiveness, and reconciliation. Let's be grateful that there is a living saint, a beacon of light in this world that we can all look up to for an example and inspiration. May he have a long life and may we learn from his example!
@@danield831 Hi Daniel. Thanks for sharing your view on things, always interesting to hear another point of view. You are right, I do not know all the facts, but I am familiar with a lot more context surrounding this particular topic and responses to it than just this video. Why I take such a confident stance here is because I think this was the moment where he could have stood up from the beginning, especially since it is an old video and elegations of unskilful behavior on Chogyam's behalf came to light, right then. HH the Dalai lama indeed nuanced his response on this later, but even then partly blaming the victims for their role in being abused. (For example he stated officially: “Part of the blame lies with the student, because too much obedience, devotion, and blind acceptance spoils a teacher.", after which he then stated the teacher's responsibility. Source: tricycle.org/trikedaily/encounter-shadow-buddhist-america/) Besides that, he also facilitated Chogyam and Shambala many times, by supporting his work in the US, praising his skills for representing Tibetan Buddhism in the West, visiting him in Boulder, etc. They were comfotable being publicly associated with one another. In my humble opinion, especially then it is necessary to at least state that you take these allegations very seriously as soon as they arise. Not turn to the next question. As a practicioner, I admire many, many Dharma teachers as well. But I am also aware many traditions and teachers that have well hidden, very controversial pasts. But, I agree with you, there are many, many decent, ethical, gracious and examplary Dharma teachers around, although some are not, and I just think it is a real good idea that they all avoid gray area's like these. Disapprove violence, no exceptions, always, even when it's just allegedly until the real story has come to light. Especially when there's victims involved and you're explicitly asked for a response. Reminding victims of their own responsibility isn't something I'd start with... I am curious to see the source where HH the Dalai Lama uses the word 'disgrace' regarding Shambala's history with misconduct. Not because I don't believe you, but because I have been looking for it a lot and not been able to find it. If you'd be so kind to drop a link... would be much appreciated. Be well. Warmest, R
@@avalokiteshvaravalon Sorry if you read my reply carefully, I was not talking about HHDL using the word disgrace in regards to Shambala but using the word disgrace/disgraceful in regards to the late Sogyal Rinpoches relatively recent abuse scandal. All the best
@@avalokiteshvaravalon Also, I don't believe His Holiness was blaming the victims. Please remember that "victimhood" is an internal frame of mind primarily of suffering. His Holiness correctly reminds us that we need to take responsibility for our own actions and use wisdom and discernment when being a student of a teacher. Not to excuse Shambala or any other abusive teacher, students need to be responsible for identifying red-flags with a teacher early on and not just jump into a goo-goo eyed, blind faith relationship with the first teacher who comes along. I agree with His Holiness on this point.
@@danield831 Wouldn't it help a lot of vulnerable people if he'd place a red flag when directly asked for his opinion though? He could've protected future victims here. Sorry for misreading your comment, bummer though, can indeed only find his associatons with Shambala and its leaders, nowhere his dissociation. Although victimhood is partly mental affliction one 'attaches' to, and letting go of that would be a good thing, that is only a valid message on a further stage of healing, traumatised victims of abuse often feel responsible and unworthy, deeply depressed as the result of what another person did to them. HHDL's comment is abhorrent from that perspective. That suffering needs acknowledgement and to be detested, especially if someone is known for his boddhissatvic characteristics. This will be my last response in our conversation, thanks again for your perspective. May you be well.
CTR's behavior was a paradox and many judge him, not so back in his day - those who knew and loved him - a few of those I worked with in Boulder CO. We want to understand how it can be that CTR carried on and yet is defined as a great teacher, which he was. The Dalai Llama cannot explain the situation better than you or I - but wisely puts focus on the path and to follow the behavior of The Buddha.
Was he such a great teacher? Its seems his defining legacy was his alcoholism and appointing a delusional pedophile to his succession. His books are reworked transcripts edited by a team of people. I'm more curious about how so many people fell for the delusion of this shangri la.
@@RK-ec5de These are interrelated aspects of the path that have occupied me quite a lot. It seems that certain degrees of attainment are "independent" of personal ethics, similar to how Miles Davis made sublime music but was a shitty person. We often seem to conflate the two (master of something & ethical human) in a naive way. However, I also believe that people worth calling your Master, teacher, whatever, should exhibit a marriage of the two qualities. Otherwise and if/when we get disappointed by the truth, we should cut the Buddha's head off and throw ourselves back into the arms of the "True Guru" within.
For me, the insights and teachings of a flawed -- even very flawed -- teacher can be valid. However, such abusive behavior ought not be excused and justified. It abuses and weakens the very foundation of the Sangha, the Third Jewel, the embodiment of the Buddha and Dharma. For that reason an abusive teacher must somehow be held accountable. The common justification that the lower cannot understand the higher in this case is foolish because the behavior itself is of the lower. It behooves each student in such a case to take personal responsibility.
Why did you not share Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo's question here? It would have been the right and fair thing to do, even if in some corners of Buddhism people still feel that the word of males, even one as qualified as HH the Dalai Lama, are the only words worth attending to.
I love His Holiness Dalai Lama very much. If we are to be measured by what we have given of ourselves in service to others in the end of the end, his life has benefited billions and will for all time. He lives his life the way he has so that others might live better lives. He makes Mahayana Buddism accessable and clear while never watering it down. Never has he ever degraded another philosophy or religion. China commited and continues to commit genocide against his country and 'his people' and he responds with compassion and level headedness. While much of the world is misbehaving, being deeply cruel, snipping at one another, competing rather than cooperating, killing rather than helping to live...and on and on and on...he is the reminder that we have a choice about how we respond and how we want to be with others, even those who are cruel. They can be opportunities for growing compassion or to lash out with mindless hurtful language and intent. I've looked for ways to live and be at peace with the cruelties inherent in the very fact we are all living and human. He and Mahayana Buddhism askes us to question everything rather than accepting it's teachings without reasoning them through for ourselves. This is very important, to me, and I believe actually, for every person. It seems not only practical, it seems respectful. It seems to be about cooperation. It's certainly not dogmatic which is wonderful. Thank you to the 14th Dalai Lama. Thank you to all Dalai Lama's who came before him.
@@elizabethdevries8028 how can i fine you physically mentaly and emotionaly ? You know we are all social animal . We all like to carry humens inner velue not external .
100% agree, although I think in this case it is the original video that was cut right there (not by this channel owner). Still, probably no coincidence indeed, since HHDL fully ignores this brave woman's question, shining her light on the disgraceful abuse within the Shambhala lineage. Link to video with Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo's question: ruclips.net/video/yuoTdzGK--U/видео.html
Tenzin Palmo's statements are fiercely intelligent and important. The Dalai Lama's reply avoids the abuse by lamas totally. He says that it's the Western students' fault because tantra is secret and only for the chosen few. What bs! All Vajrayana is tantra. As if secrecy had anything to do with it, except to protect the abusers for being called into account for their unethical behavior, serial sexual abuses, deceptions and harm. Alex Berzin adds that lamas use tantric initiations as a carrot on a stick to generate money, pointing out the lamas' responsibility - or lack of it - when it comes to tantra. What an ugly, unethical thing, using tantric initiations to generate donations! Yikes. ai ai ai, the Dalai Lama insists that he uses mass tantra initiations to teach people how to be ethical. Why not just give teachings on that??!! Or at least teach the LAMAS to be ethical. The DL speaks as if the general population is so unethical that at least for the days they are attending the people who come behave nicely. No mentioning the unethical behavior of the lamas!!! Total avoidance. And then he says "restrict the tantric teachings" to Western students as if it was STUDENTS seeking to learn tantra that was wrong, they are at fault and not the lamas acting out!!! Frankly insane. And that Westerners need to set up a fund for Western students who cannot afford to pay the exorbitant fees the lamas charge to learn the tantra or get initiations?? It is just NUTS. Money grubbing, avoidance of talking about lamas committing abuse, putting all the blame on the students again and again.
Maybe somethings arent clear.HH says that tantra should be secret and not be imparted or recieved so freely.Noone is wrong to seek that but breaking Samaya is a serious offence after accepting someone as your lama.Thats why its better to check the lama even if u have to do it for 12 years,as he explains. Regarding the funds,idk what fees is paid but if its just the plane tickets,the orgainising fee or others..funds can be collected and those who cant give can also attend it.
What if the DL was right? What if these teachings are only for a chosen few students? Just because you want to have sex in the name of spirituality doesn't mean everyone is coming from the same place.
Question is fully stated in second half of previous video. ruclips.net/video/yuoTdzGK--U/видео.html. It’s a bit more involved than can be summarized here, but it’s in regard to the behavior of tantra teachers having sex with students and doing drugs and then causing their own students to do the same.
@@tamsanh cool thank you for your time, also there is a Al jazeera documentary about the monks in Thailand (not all) but the ones that are bad are really crazy their behaviour is like that of a gangster figure, stay safe
The past couple of decades views or points of the Dalai Lama was not accepted as his words today. Because he changed his mind already and he has actually gave up many of his previous practices and teachings.
Yes, tantra practices should be for people who are ready for it. Lam-Rim is the basis of Buddhism. If one has no basis how they will be able to practice the highest buddhist practices.
Buddhism should and embrace.. woman also.. please don't muddy the religion.. please don't be like any other.. because 💯 percent in another 5 years .. don't have to say anything. Just change.🤗🤗
Some people think that His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s response to Tenzin Palmo’s question was misleading or have avoided all together. I think His Holiness has given the best response. First of all, not all Buddhist listened to Dalai Lama especially the lamas from Kagyue and Nyingma school of Tibetan Buddhism (which CT and Sogyal are from). His Holiness’ stand and message is very clear- discipline is the key. It doesn’t require him to react to somebody’s questions. In other words if you have been listening or getting teachings from His Holiness you’ll know. None ofHis disciple dare to act like Chogyum- Period. In His short answer his holiness has said so much. He asked his Guru- Dilgo Kyetsel Rinpoche about Chogyum Trungkpa”s behavior . Why is this relevant?. Dilgo Kyentse is one of the top most Vajra masters and I’m sure that Chogyum Teungpa is Khyentse Rinpoche”s disciple. Only a master can control his student and it seems like his holiness has made the suggestion to Dilgo Khyentse. Some people think that His Holiness’ is like the Pope. While lay people and majority Tibetan feels that way and will listen to him whole heartedly, many lamas especially from the other sects doesn’t feel that way. That was and is very unfortunate. They only follow their own root guru. On the other hand, His holiness has also mentioned that it’s too early to receive the tantra teachings- but I know this will not sit well with many of us and most certainly many from the Nyingma and Kagyue school. His Holiness is the one of the main proponent of studying sutras as he wants to empower the students before embarking on the tantra journey. Alas!! Most will not listen- they all need the most profound teachings first, and get the result right away. Unfortunately, you will not have the knowledge or the basic prerequisite to practice tantras and you know the end result will be disappointment.
The tantra is everywhere ,.it is not property of Tibenham Buddhism In cultures in Africa, Tantra is a daily normal approach to life. There has arisen too much political flavor in the Tibethan Buddhism, unfortunately.
I'm sorry but the answer of Dalai Lama is misleading, the problem is not coming for a neophytes who took the tantric teachings too early and misunderstood them, the problem is coming from respected lamas, and by respected I mean recognize by Tibetan lamaic system, Chogyam Trungpa or Sogyal Lakar are not self taught non traditional westerners who were not initiate through the tradition. In other words the tradition is not rigorous enough to keep itself clean from elements who'll abuse power.
What happens with your Kalacakra happens with other tantras too. It is neglecting the principle of tantra to expose it in public, even to collect people. Buddha taught Kalacakra not to collect people. What Dalai Lama says sound so mundane
Tibetan Buddhism is not unlike Catholicism, a lot of pomp and abuse and sleight of hand. Theravada is no pomp and all Dhamma. The world loves Mahayana Tibetan Buddhism because it is the world disguised as religion! The Buddha was a forest monk, not decked out in finery. Tibetan Buddhism looks glamorous, after all, Dalai Lama owns 19 Rolex watches ...
Nothing in Buddhism or Tibetan Buddhism is pomp; clearly you don't know much about it at all. Every symbol, mantra, visualization, teaching or relic has a purpose.
I have a different totally answer to the question of 'Crazy Wisdom.' Before I say that just want to state that I call Tenzin Palmo Her Holiness & our dear Dalai Lama His Haughtiness. She has proven her worth, has he? Or just born a King, like a Feudal Lord in a land that maybe exploited the poor? Lived like a King, everyone else but his monks in the palace, experienced work from morning to night, supplying him & his monks {for untold generations} with all that was needed. I'm not an expert, this is just a CASUAL, not deeply studied opinion. If I am wrong, forgive me..........I will give my ideas about 'Crazy Wisdom' in the next comment, as don't want this to be too long.
She states in Cave in The Snow she was very attracted to Asian men only & when she was young, brushed of Chogyams advances but later stated once she knew he was a tantric master, she would have gladly entered union. Just manifesting in human form is manifesting faults. How to be free of the root of samsara : ego born of ignorance, without ego being destroyed?
Trungpa was a Chaman...Deshimaru too had an addiction..and so what???Maybe its better not to be a buddhist clerk...Breakin the rule IS sometimes a gift to God....Osho too ....The dalaï Lama is not a revolutionary. Tradition needs revolutions
@@steelonius You can check out Una Morera's podcast about growing up in Shambhala where she says Trungpa shoved his tongue down a childs throat during some kind of assembly. There is also Leslie Hays account of Trungpa's youngest wife Ciel who he started sleeping with when she was 13-14. Ciel would later commit suicide wearing the silk nighty that Trungpa bought all his wives as wedding presents. m.soundcloud.com/una-morera www.reddit.com/r/ShambhalaBuddhism/comments/bu4jem/text_of_leslie_hays_public_facebook_post_about/
Once gendun chomphel said be aware monkey and yellows hair,that's what happening ,Buddhism not for those like blaming others as those victims doing here,
With the recent video of dalai lama asking a young boy to suck his tongue it's no wonder he did nothing to stop the sexual abuse by lamas back in 1993. He was asked to sign a declaration that teachers shouldn't have sex with their students, but it now looks like he is a pederast himself. I'm not surprised considering how rampant pedophilia is in their monasteries.
This woman [Tenzin] is ridiculous, first, she said: "The moment I discovered Buddhism I knew this was my thing" now she wants to re-structure Buddhism. I like the response she got from the Dalai Lama, as she demanded changes, in another video -> "Hey, I am not the Buddha I am just a disciple, go ask him to accommodate your demands"
In my opinion Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo asks a very brave question. She stands up for injustice here, tries to decrease suffering by acknowledges the victims of Chogyam Trungpa's (Shambala) abusive behaviors and she invites HH the Dalai Lama to the same. She's being ignored instead. If restructuring Buddhism means making it a safer place where unskilful teachers are called out, I think that's a good thing. If anything, Shambala is de most modern of lineages in Tibetan Buddhism, so if anything is restructuring Buddhism it's the Shambala lineage. There's just no excuse for abuse, ever. If that's crazy wisdom, no one should receive it. Compassionate and examplary teachers is what we need. Not teachers avoiding difficult questions with diplomatic answers.
@@avalokiteshvaravalon This idiot [Tenzin] fist considered Buddhism the best thing since sliced bread, "Perfect" then comes in and wants to change the teachings of Buddhism. And I like what the Dali Lamma answered--> "I am not the Buddha, go ask him for changes!
@@giggles8458 Well, you kinda disqualify your position by calling a revered teacher an idiot, but I will try to provide a civil response nonetheless. It's pretty selective, for HH the Dalai Lama to not answer that particular question. He answers many questions in regard to the fundamental structure of the Tibetan Buddhist lineages, for example the one about Lama invitations in the West and its 'inevitably' connected incentive for expensive initiations. And then when it comes to abuse and violence he's like "I don't know what was said, go ask the Buddha for change". Bit easy, hey? He's sitting on a throne, literally. He is in a position of influence and power which he decides to use for many other occasions/questions/problems but he avoids this one. It's like the pope condoning violence and sexual abuse by priests. It's just unacceptable, and against everything Buddhism should stand for.
@@avalokiteshvaravalon To enter a system of beliefs that one considers "the way" and then try to bring reformation in such an ancient system? She wanted to be a female Buddhist nun and use her gender to brake the system of the Buddhist beliefs in reference to their stand on this matter, going against Buddha himself, thus become a goddess herself.
Pam Bare exactly what I thought...I felt the same way..how she was describing Buddhism as perfect for her and after some time she starts finding faults in everything..every religion is not perfect she herself knew that as well..
GOOD POINT. in French we call them "mal (ou pas) baisées". I hardly ever heard about lamas violently raping disciples. 99% of the cases, assuming the stories are true, the women agreed to it, then later retracted their consent, or tried to possess their lama for themselves, or realize they've been fooled, and blame the man instead of blaming their own stupidity, therefore denying their own agency and responsibility in choosing who to fuck with and why. but most of those stories are complete bs anyway, made up by attention whores.
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The only nun to have the balls to ask direct no nonsense questions. Hats off to you Jetsun palmo la
Now why would you say that about her, when she speaks with the wisdom heart of a woman. Wisdom requires being awake, not having balls.
This seems to be the problem people are having trouble moving beyond. Gate gate paragate parasamgate, bodhisvaha....nowhere are balls mentioned. Ha, from another nun without balls
@@LisaVBlake it is TAYATHA OM GATE GATE PARA GATE PARA SAMGATE BODHI SVAHA. What i meant with having balls is sadly, traditionally and historically lay women and nuns have been not been given importance in buddhism; even though in Buddhism we have had great dakinis and living embodiments of Tara. Infact they were not even allowed to be in the same prayer hall with men. They had to sit outside the main door and pray. most Buddhist monks / nuns don't dare ask his holiness confronting questions which are controversial in nature. Ani Jetsun Palmo has done that. She is courageous in that regard and I have full respect for her. And since you too are a Ani or nun, I pay my respect to you too....
@@max-z2d the issue with your comment is that you relate courage with masculinity, making direct reference to the male reproductive organ as symbolic of such quality. it is a linguistic matter, but language matters. we all understand bravery and courage as their own stand-alone concepts, there is no need for such misguided figure of speech.
I second what the venerable nun wrote above.
There are different transliterations of The Heart Sutra. The form the venerable nun wrote it is entirely understandable and you clearly understood that as The Heart Sutra. Your unnecessary "correction" of her spelling (in bold letters nonetheless) just displays contempt in your heart.
Can it with the balls. Ovaries.
censored question...so...artificial a answer. Lamas GO HOME. ..((.I am from Argentina. ))
No other religious institutions are put under such difficult questions. Thats why Dalai Lama is my Hero ! always will be !
The talk is most likely at least 25+ years old since Thupten Jinpa Langri (the monk translating di-robed, term?), in the 1990's. Now he is at McGill Univ in Montreal. They are both wonderful
Sad to read the dismissive comments below, unfairly aimed at a brilliant woman who does so much for the spiritual education of female Buddhists. The old boys club could do with opening their hearts a little.
Indeed she is a GREAT LIGHT, a Great being, Enlightened, filled with God Power. I can see it, feel it, being demonstrated from her to me.
The old boys clubs is deplorable. I hope the Dalai Lama does what he can to alleviate it, to help the women, which it seems he is doing.
@@GuruRasaVonWerder It's called Buddha Nature.
ruclips.net/video/HScZ1rLBfz8/видео.html
His response on consort practice and crazy wisdom
Always stuck in dualities, us human beings.
The best teacher is yourself. Keep reflecting on all your experiences and understand your reactions. Everyone has different experiences
20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
- Luke 17:20-21 -
I am often dissapointed with the avoidance of difficult questions by His Holiness the Dalai Lama. As a teacher you cannot laugh away the fact that some spiritual leaders are engaged in sexual misconduct, alcoholism and other unskillful behavior. He answers the question about initiations and financial incentive thereof, whereas this video starts right after Jetsuma Tenzin Palmo's brave question about Chogyam Trungpa's (Shambala) abusive un-Buddhist behavior that harmed many students. Her question is completely ignored. In my opinion HH the Dalai Lama should take a very clear stance against injustice, and he is not doing that here. Victims need protection and acknowledgement, not diplimatic answers... What happens here , in my view, is comparable to the pope's initial response to the sexual, psychological and physical abuse in the Catholic church.
(first part of the video with the question by Jentsunma Tenzin Palmo: ruclips.net/video/yuoTdzGK--U/видео.html )
While I agree in principle with what you are saying, it's not helpful to over-react without knowing all the facts. Some context is necessary here: It's very clear that this is a very old video of His Holiness. In light of some more recent scandals the late Sogyal Rinpoche (to name one for example), His Holiness has come out very strongly against this sort of behavior (abusive behavior). He even refers to Sogyal Rinpoche as a disgrace. No doubt it is shameful. But let's not cherry pick here.
It's also important to look at the big picture and be balanced about ethics in the Tibetan Buddhist community. I am a Westerner and have been in this tradition for almost 20 years now. I've been to many centers throughout the country and have met many teachers in this beautiful tradition and I can tell you plainly that the overwhelming majority of Tibetan teachers are intelligent, kind, generous, and ethical. Living examples of the Dharma. Let's think of His Holiness the Dalai Lama for example. In an age where dishonesty, "fake news", misinformation, conspiracy theories, character attacks, racism and all kinds of disgraceful behavior is disturbingly becoming the norm for those in the public eye, His Holiness is an island of sanity, impeccable moral integrity, and embodiment of peace, love, compassion, forgiveness, and reconciliation. Let's be grateful that there is a living saint, a beacon of light in this world that we can all look up to for an example and inspiration. May he have a long life and may we learn from his example!
@@danield831 Hi Daniel. Thanks for sharing your view on things, always interesting to hear another point of view. You are right, I do not know all the facts, but I am familiar with a lot more context surrounding this particular topic and responses to it than just this video. Why I take such a confident stance here is because I think this was the moment where he could have stood up from the beginning, especially since it is an old video and elegations of unskilful behavior on Chogyam's behalf came to light, right then. HH the Dalai lama indeed nuanced his response on this later, but even then partly blaming the victims for their role in being abused. (For example he stated officially: “Part of the blame lies with the student, because too much obedience, devotion, and blind acceptance spoils a teacher.", after which he then stated the teacher's responsibility. Source: tricycle.org/trikedaily/encounter-shadow-buddhist-america/)
Besides that, he also facilitated Chogyam and Shambala many times, by supporting his work in the US, praising his skills for representing Tibetan Buddhism in the West, visiting him in Boulder, etc. They were comfotable being publicly associated with one another. In my humble opinion, especially then it is necessary to at least state that you take these allegations very seriously as soon as they arise. Not turn to the next question.
As a practicioner, I admire many, many Dharma teachers as well. But I am also aware many traditions and teachers that have well hidden, very controversial pasts. But, I agree with you, there are many, many decent, ethical, gracious and examplary Dharma teachers around, although some are not, and I just think it is a real good idea that they all avoid gray area's like these. Disapprove violence, no exceptions, always, even when it's just allegedly until the real story has come to light. Especially when there's victims involved and you're explicitly asked for a response. Reminding victims of their own responsibility isn't something I'd start with...
I am curious to see the source where HH the Dalai Lama uses the word 'disgrace' regarding Shambala's history with misconduct. Not because I don't believe you, but because I have been looking for it a lot and not been able to find it. If you'd be so kind to drop a link... would be much appreciated.
Be well. Warmest,
R
@@avalokiteshvaravalon Sorry if you read my reply carefully, I was not talking about HHDL using the word disgrace in regards to Shambala but using the word disgrace/disgraceful in regards to the late Sogyal Rinpoches relatively recent abuse scandal.
All the best
@@avalokiteshvaravalon Also, I don't believe His Holiness was blaming the victims. Please remember that "victimhood" is an internal frame of mind primarily of suffering. His Holiness correctly reminds us that we need to take responsibility for our own actions and use wisdom and discernment when being a student of a teacher. Not to excuse Shambala or any other abusive teacher, students need to be responsible for identifying red-flags with a teacher early on and not just jump into a goo-goo eyed, blind faith relationship with the first teacher who comes along. I agree with His Holiness on this point.
@@danield831 Wouldn't it help a lot of vulnerable people if he'd place a red flag when directly asked for his opinion though? He could've protected future victims here. Sorry for misreading your comment, bummer though, can indeed only find his associatons with Shambala and its leaders, nowhere his dissociation. Although victimhood is partly mental affliction one 'attaches' to, and letting go of that would be a good thing, that is only a valid message on a further stage of healing, traumatised victims of abuse often feel responsible and unworthy, deeply depressed as the result of what another person did to them. HHDL's comment is abhorrent from that perspective. That suffering needs acknowledgement and to be detested, especially if someone is known for his boddhissatvic characteristics. This will be my last response in our conversation, thanks again for your perspective. May you be well.
1:10 “The Secret Weiner Dog” - I love RUclips English subtitles 😹
It's very sad that all the misconduct did by so called Lamas in west have to give answer by his holiness
CTR's behavior was a paradox and many judge him, not so back in his day - those who knew and loved him - a few of those I worked with in Boulder CO. We want to understand how it can be that CTR carried on and yet is defined as a great teacher, which he was. The Dalai Llama cannot explain the situation better than you or I - but wisely puts focus on the path and to follow the behavior of The Buddha.
Was he such a great teacher? Its seems his defining legacy was his alcoholism and appointing a delusional pedophile to his succession. His books are reworked transcripts edited by a team of people. I'm more curious about how so many people fell for the delusion of this shangri la.
@@RK-ec5de These are interrelated aspects of the path that have occupied me quite a lot. It seems that certain degrees of attainment are "independent" of personal ethics, similar to how Miles Davis made sublime music but was a shitty person. We often seem to conflate the two (master of something & ethical human) in a naive way. However, I also believe that people worth calling your Master, teacher, whatever, should exhibit a marriage of the two qualities. Otherwise and if/when we get disappointed by the truth, we should cut the Buddha's head off and throw ourselves back into the arms of the "True Guru" within.
For me, the insights and teachings of a flawed -- even very flawed -- teacher can be valid. However, such abusive behavior ought not be excused and justified. It abuses and weakens the very foundation of the Sangha, the Third Jewel, the embodiment of the Buddha and Dharma. For that reason an abusive teacher must somehow be held accountable. The common justification that the lower cannot understand the higher in this case is foolish because the behavior itself is of the lower. It behooves each student in such a case to take personal responsibility.
lol does no one else notice jack kornfield? lol.
I did ! 🙏🏽😀
I did too, he's my beloved teacher trainer!
Of course
Why did you not share Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo's question here? It would have been the right and fair thing to do, even if in some corners of Buddhism people still feel that the word of males, even one as qualified as HH the Dalai Lama, are the only words worth attending to.
its in the previos video
ruclips.net/video/yuoTdzGK--U/видео.html from 2:50
How wonderful and brave to challenge such things 🙏 some popular teachers did not speak up until much later when they knew what had occurred.
Long live his holiness the Dalai Lama 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏💐💐💐💐💐💐💐
Can you share the link of full video?
meridian-trust.org/video/the-western-buddhist-teachers-conference-with-h-h-the-dalai-lama-2-of-8/
R K Thanks for sharing! Great content! Namaste! 🙏🏽
Tantric or Ngak practice was made particularly secret during independent tibet to avoid such questioning.
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I love His Holiness Dalai Lama very much. If we are to be measured by what we have given of ourselves in service to others in the end of the end, his life has benefited billions and will for all time. He lives his life the way he has so that others might live better lives. He makes Mahayana Buddism accessable and clear while never watering it down. Never has he ever degraded another philosophy or religion. China commited and continues to commit genocide against his country and 'his people' and he responds with compassion and level headedness. While much of the world is misbehaving, being deeply cruel, snipping at one another, competing rather than cooperating, killing rather than helping to live...and on and on and on...he is the reminder that we have a choice about how we respond and how we want to be with others, even those who are cruel. They can be opportunities for growing compassion or to lash out with mindless hurtful language and intent. I've looked for ways to live and be at peace with the cruelties inherent in the very fact we are all living and human. He and Mahayana Buddhism askes us to question everything rather than accepting it's teachings without reasoning them through for ourselves. This is very important, to me, and I believe actually, for every person. It seems not only practical, it seems respectful. It seems to be about cooperation. It's certainly not dogmatic which is wonderful. Thank you to the 14th Dalai Lama. Thank you to all Dalai Lama's who came before him.
And i love you too much .
@@sanbhai9667 I love you too.
@@elizabethdevries8028 hummmm !! great.
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@@elizabethdevries8028 how can i fine you physically mentaly and emotionaly ? You know we are all social animal . We all like to carry humens inner velue not external .
He did not answer Tenzin Palmo's excellent and most relevant question!
ruclips.net/video/HScZ1rLBfz8/видео.html
Listen carefully,
@@tenzinthutop1228 answer is not in this video.
@@taidelek9994 listen and think bro
He said to model Buddha.
Thanks. I still don't see Jetsunma's question, although i have seen this before.
100% agree, although I think in this case it is the original video that was cut right there (not by this channel owner). Still, probably no coincidence indeed, since HHDL fully ignores this brave woman's question, shining her light on the disgraceful abuse within the Shambhala lineage.
Link to video with Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo's question: ruclips.net/video/yuoTdzGK--U/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/yuoTdzGK--U/видео.html from 2:50
Listening to his holiness, the stary stary night song rings in my head. “ they would not listen , they wouldn’t know how, perhaps they listen now”.
In the Kalachakra it describes a holy war between Buddhists and Abrahamists.
The kalachakra says 'barbarians'
Tenzin Palmo's statements are fiercely intelligent and important. The Dalai Lama's reply avoids the abuse by lamas totally. He says that it's the Western students' fault because tantra is secret and only for the chosen few. What bs! All Vajrayana is tantra. As if secrecy had anything to do with it, except to protect the abusers for being called into account for their unethical behavior, serial sexual abuses, deceptions and harm.
Alex Berzin adds that lamas use tantric initiations as a carrot on a stick to generate money, pointing out the lamas' responsibility - or lack of it - when it comes to tantra. What an ugly, unethical thing, using tantric initiations to generate donations! Yikes.
ai ai ai, the Dalai Lama insists that he uses mass tantra initiations to teach people how to be ethical. Why not just give teachings on that??!! Or at least teach the LAMAS to be ethical. The DL speaks as if the general population is so unethical that at least for the days they are attending the people who come behave nicely.
No mentioning the unethical behavior of the lamas!!! Total avoidance.
And then he says "restrict the tantric teachings" to Western students as if it was STUDENTS seeking to learn tantra that was wrong, they are at fault and not the lamas acting out!!! Frankly insane. And that Westerners need to set up a fund for Western students who cannot afford to pay the exorbitant fees the lamas charge to learn the tantra or get initiations?? It is just NUTS. Money grubbing, avoidance of talking about lamas committing abuse, putting all the blame on the students again and again.
ruclips.net/video/HScZ1rLBfz8/видео.html
On consort and crazy wisdom
Maybe somethings arent clear.HH says that tantra should be secret and not be imparted or recieved so freely.Noone is wrong to seek that but breaking Samaya is a serious offence after accepting someone as your lama.Thats why its better to check the lama even if u have to do it for 12 years,as he explains.
Regarding the funds,idk what fees is paid but if its just the plane tickets,the orgainising fee or others..funds can be collected and those who cant give can also attend it.
What if the DL was right? What if these teachings are only for a chosen few students? Just because you want to have sex in the name of spirituality doesn't mean everyone is coming from the same place.
I'd like to see ajahn amaro's question, where can we see the full video?
Actually the question is not recorded.
Any info on time and location of this recording?
I think it's 1993, when they had the Western teacher's conference in Dharamsala
meridian-trust.org/video/the-western-buddhist-teachers-conference-with-h-h-the-dalai-lama-4-of-8/
Wow! That’s really old clip. Thupten Jinpa was a monk at the time.
Was that second question asked by Berzin? Definitely sounds like an observation he’d make.
Would like to know Tenzin Palmo's actual question. Thanks for any assistance on this.
she asked about Trungpa's violation of the precepts..........
@@skyblue-lb9kr Trungpa? A little confused. Is that Chögyam Trungpa who died in 1987?
@@willmcgrane6359 Yes its about him. The full question is at the end of this video: ruclips.net/video/yuoTdzGK--U/видео.html
@@TheNinatown Many thanks for clearing up the confusion. Most appreciated.
ruclips.net/video/yuoTdzGK--U/видео.html from 2:50
Wheres ajahn amaro’s question? 11:15
What is her question??
The editor needs retraining
They restate the question. Why did buddhism degenerate in india
Question is fully stated in second half of previous video. ruclips.net/video/yuoTdzGK--U/видео.html. It’s a bit more involved than can be summarized here, but it’s in regard to the behavior of tantra teachers having sex with students and doing drugs and then causing their own students to do the same.
@@tamsanh cool thank you for your time, also there is a Al jazeera documentary about the monks in Thailand (not all) but the ones that are bad are really crazy their behaviour is like that of a gangster figure, stay safe
ruclips.net/video/yuoTdzGK--U/видео.html from 2:50
The past couple of decades views or points of the Dalai Lama was not accepted as his words today. Because he changed his mind already and he has actually gave up many of his previous practices and teachings.
hi. would you please elaborate? thank you :)
What do you mean
What was her question? Pl
Yes, tantra practices should be for people who are ready for it. Lam-Rim is the basis of Buddhism. If one has no basis how they will be able to practice the highest buddhist practices.
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Buddhism should and embrace.. woman also.. please don't muddy the religion.. please don't be like any other.. because 💯 percent in another 5 years .. don't have to say anything. Just change.🤗🤗
men take over everything & appropriate it for themselves, push women out, in all religions run by men - Catholic - Protestant - Buddhism, all.
What a bunch of frauds!!
Not all.
@@garrettbrowning3641 Of course, they are.
Some people think that His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s response to Tenzin Palmo’s question was misleading or have avoided all together. I think His Holiness has given the best response.
First of all, not all Buddhist listened to Dalai Lama especially the lamas from Kagyue and Nyingma school of Tibetan Buddhism (which CT and Sogyal are from).
His Holiness’ stand and message is very clear- discipline is the key. It doesn’t require him to react to somebody’s questions. In other words if you have been listening or getting teachings from His Holiness you’ll know. None ofHis disciple dare to act like Chogyum- Period.
In His short answer his holiness has said so much. He asked his Guru- Dilgo Kyetsel Rinpoche about Chogyum Trungkpa”s behavior . Why is this relevant?. Dilgo Kyentse is one of the top most Vajra masters and I’m sure that Chogyum Teungpa is Khyentse Rinpoche”s disciple. Only a master can control his student and it seems like his holiness has made the suggestion to Dilgo Khyentse.
Some people think that His Holiness’ is like the Pope. While lay people and majority Tibetan feels that way and will listen to him whole heartedly, many lamas especially from the other sects doesn’t feel that way. That was and is very unfortunate. They only follow their own root guru.
On the other hand, His holiness has also mentioned that it’s too early to receive the tantra teachings- but I know this will not sit well with many of us and most certainly many from the Nyingma and Kagyue school. His Holiness is the one of the main proponent of studying sutras as he wants to empower the students before embarking on the tantra journey. Alas!! Most will not listen- they all need the most profound teachings first, and get the result right away. Unfortunately, you will not have the knowledge or the basic prerequisite to practice tantras and you know the end result will be disappointment.
The tantra is everywhere ,.it is not property of Tibenham Buddhism
In cultures in Africa, Tantra is a daily normal approach to life. There has arisen too much political flavor in the Tibethan Buddhism, unfortunately.
Salute to the translator
The Buddha had no gurus. Why do you?🤷
I'm sorry but the answer of Dalai Lama is misleading, the problem is not coming for a neophytes who took the tantric teachings too early and misunderstood them, the problem is coming from respected lamas, and by respected I mean recognize by Tibetan lamaic system, Chogyam Trungpa or Sogyal Lakar are not self taught non traditional westerners who were not initiate through the tradition. In other words the tradition is not rigorous enough to keep itself clean from elements who'll abuse power.
Or its not concerned with that
Spiritualism can’t be propagated the way of capitalise market.
What happens with your Kalacakra happens with other tantras too. It is neglecting the principle of tantra to expose it in public, even to collect people. Buddha taught Kalacakra not to collect people. What Dalai Lama says sound so mundane
Tibetan Buddhism is not unlike Catholicism, a lot of pomp and abuse and sleight of hand. Theravada is no pomp and all Dhamma. The world loves Mahayana Tibetan Buddhism because it is the world disguised as religion! The Buddha was a forest monk, not decked out in finery. Tibetan Buddhism looks glamorous, after all, Dalai Lama owns 19 Rolex watches ...
Nothing in Buddhism or Tibetan Buddhism is pomp; clearly you don't know much about it at all. Every symbol, mantra, visualization, teaching or relic has a purpose.
how do you know that? and even if he does I'm sure they were all gifts, then a collection... no harm
I have a different totally answer to the question of 'Crazy Wisdom.' Before I say that just want to state that I call Tenzin Palmo Her Holiness & our dear Dalai Lama His Haughtiness. She has proven her worth, has he? Or just born a King, like a Feudal Lord in a land that maybe exploited the poor? Lived like a King, everyone else but his monks in the palace, experienced work from morning to night, supplying him & his monks {for untold generations} with all that was needed. I'm not an expert, this is just a CASUAL, not deeply studied opinion. If I am wrong, forgive me..........I will give my ideas about 'Crazy Wisdom' in the next comment, as don't want this to be too long.
Talk about perceiving a situation from your own cultural and karmic lens.
@@lah6739 And from where do you perceive a situation? From Mars or Uranus?
She states in Cave in The Snow she was very attracted to Asian men only & when she was young, brushed of Chogyams advances but later stated once she knew he was a tantric master, she would have gladly entered union.
Just manifesting in human form is manifesting faults.
How to be free of the root of samsara : ego born of ignorance, without ego being destroyed?
Not quite
ruclips.net/video/IX2Kl34bzYg/видео.html
Just another religion
Tupten jimpa too young.
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Where is Jetsumma Palmo's question? An answer without a question does not exist.
ruclips.net/video/yuoTdzGK--U/видео.html from 2:50
I feel the Dalai Lama is in truoble. From his body language and without facing the interviewers when is talking.
Its just the way hes seated at the table
Short answer: Basically, don’t exactly expect any accountability.
indeed, dissapointing for someone who can actually help the victims of abuse by some 'Buddhist' leaders
Trungpa was a Chaman...Deshimaru too had an addiction..and so what???Maybe its better not to be a buddhist clerk...Breakin the rule IS sometimes a gift to God....Osho too ....The dalaï
Lama is not a revolutionary.
Tradition needs revolutions
Trungpa was a pedophile preying on his communities children and created a community where pedophilia and rape was condoned
"Do you know how to hug men?" -Trungpa quote
@@RK-ec5de Do you have some articles or a link to information on Chogyam Trungpa's action as a pedophile?
@@steelonius You can check out Una Morera's podcast about growing up in Shambhala where she says Trungpa shoved his tongue down a childs throat during some kind of assembly. There is also Leslie Hays account of Trungpa's youngest wife Ciel who he started sleeping with when she was 13-14. Ciel would later commit suicide wearing the silk nighty that Trungpa bought all his wives as wedding presents.
m.soundcloud.com/una-morera
www.reddit.com/r/ShambhalaBuddhism/comments/bu4jem/text_of_leslie_hays_public_facebook_post_about/
Once gendun chomphel said be aware monkey and yellows hair,that's what happening ,Buddhism not for those like blaming others as those victims doing here,
I no longer have respect for the Dalai Lama.
With the recent video of dalai lama asking a young boy to suck his tongue it's no wonder he did nothing to stop the sexual abuse by lamas back in 1993. He was asked to sign a declaration that teachers shouldn't have sex with their students, but it now looks like he is a pederast himself. I'm not surprised considering how rampant pedophilia is in their monasteries.
His holy phoniness!
This woman [Tenzin] is ridiculous, first, she said: "The moment I discovered Buddhism I knew this was my thing" now she wants to re-structure Buddhism. I like the response she got from the Dalai Lama, as she demanded changes, in another video -> "Hey, I am not the Buddha I am just a disciple, go ask him to accommodate your demands"
In my opinion Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo asks a very brave question. She stands up for injustice here, tries to decrease suffering by acknowledges the victims of Chogyam Trungpa's (Shambala) abusive behaviors and she invites HH the Dalai Lama to the same. She's being ignored instead. If restructuring Buddhism means making it a safer place where unskilful teachers are called out, I think that's a good thing. If anything, Shambala is de most modern of lineages in Tibetan Buddhism, so if anything is restructuring Buddhism it's the Shambala lineage. There's just no excuse for abuse, ever. If that's crazy wisdom, no one should receive it. Compassionate and examplary teachers is what we need. Not teachers avoiding difficult questions with diplomatic answers.
@@avalokiteshvaravalon This idiot [Tenzin] fist considered Buddhism the best thing since sliced bread, "Perfect" then comes in and wants to change the teachings of Buddhism. And I like what the Dali Lamma answered--> "I am not the Buddha, go ask him for changes!
@@giggles8458 Well, you kinda disqualify your position by calling a revered teacher an idiot, but I will try to provide a civil response nonetheless. It's pretty selective, for HH the Dalai Lama to not answer that particular question. He answers many questions in regard to the fundamental structure of the Tibetan Buddhist lineages, for example the one about Lama invitations in the West and its 'inevitably' connected incentive for expensive initiations. And then when it comes to abuse and violence he's like "I don't know what was said, go ask the Buddha for change". Bit easy, hey? He's sitting on a throne, literally. He is in a position of influence and power which he decides to use for many other occasions/questions/problems but he avoids this one. It's like the pope condoning violence and sexual abuse by priests. It's just unacceptable, and against everything Buddhism should stand for.
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To enter a system of beliefs that one considers "the way" and then try to bring reformation in such an ancient system? She wanted to be a female Buddhist nun and use her gender to brake the system of the Buddhist beliefs in reference to their stand on this matter, going against Buddha himself, thus become a goddess herself.
Pam Bare exactly what I thought...I felt the same way..how she was describing Buddhism as perfect for her and after some time she starts finding faults in everything..every religion is not perfect she herself knew that as well..
that woman got touched in her no no zone ... or maybe needed to be
GOOD POINT.
in French we call them "mal (ou pas) baisées".
I hardly ever heard about lamas violently raping disciples. 99% of the cases, assuming the stories are true, the women agreed to it, then later retracted their consent, or tried to possess their lama for themselves, or realize they've been fooled, and blame the man instead of blaming their own stupidity, therefore denying their own agency and responsibility in choosing who to fuck with and why.
but most of those stories are complete bs anyway, made up by attention whores.
Long live his holiness the Dalai Lama 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏💐💐💐💐💐💐💐
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