Dean was one of my favorite writers. I have his "Book of the 45". I also had a 25 TCU barrel for my Contender because of Dean. Only a handful of writers ever inspired the way your Dad did. Cheers!
That was some pretty good grouping on the paper. I never fired a 45 supper. I have a 10mm Glock 40 and I load my own +P+ ammo because most factory loads are way under loaded the only factory loads I mess with is buffalo bore and some underwood. Great video I love 9mm but it's good to see the larger calibers and someone who loads their own 10mm.
I still have several magazines in my collection (actually, quite a few) with your dad's articles. I believe I have them to include the time frame he was writing about developing this round. I converted my 4506 S&W to 45 Super and it is my everyday CPL carry gun
@@Dayattherange think you'll get a non ported barrel in that thing? Kind of a shame to ruin that caliber with that many ports that it really doesn't need.
@@AlaskanBallistics I may look for a barrel though since not many were made and it's with original box, tools, springs AND original documentation it may only see 45ACP rounds. 😁
My first time seeing this guy. Good video and if I ever get in trouble, I want this guy on my side. Pretty good shooting. Thanks also for your service.
At those speeds I kind of figured the 135 gr. bullets would blow up/ under penetrate. But for a close range defense round it would be awesome. Good video- keep 'em comin'!
You had me at 1911, beautiful firearms! Great commentary boss, you’re a natural. Both cartridges seem very close, I would give the edge to 10mm for industry support though. Hard cast is king for bone breaking penetration. I want you to know, the fact that you’re a Marine does not keep me from enjoying your content… lol AFSOC out.
Too bad Springfield doesn't make these anymore. They really should have another run, I'm willing to bet they'd be very successful. Great video and great comparison !! Very interesting.
Allen thanks sir appreciate your encouragement. If you are a 10MM fan you may want to go checkout 10MM with Large Pistol Primer and Small Pistol Primer results. ruclips.net/video/osTMz9QrxLM/видео.html tell me what you think.
I have done some testing with them been reloading a long time lol I like large primers best seems I get cleaner burn less powder residue hopefully I’m correct lol tks sir
CZ had one and pictures floating around the internet from their custom shop. They have since taken it down and they no longer exist I think because many complained about the price being 3K.
Thanks for this video. I recently built a G21 with a KKM barrel and comp as well as a 22lb recoil spring. The nice thing being is that if the gun is tuned just right, you can fire ACP or Super without changing anything. Also of note, .450 SMC is basically the same as Super, with the only difference being the primer.
Huge fan of the 10mm in the 1911. It and the .44 Magnum are favorites to carry in black bear country. These cartridges are real popular in Alaska as well. Some fine shooting and very interesting data, impressive.
I have lived in Alaska since 1989 and from the same time have been guiding brown bears hunts. The only stupid moron Big city slicker green horns who carry handguns in Alaska in the bush and along the rivers are ignorant dumb asses who been brainwashed into believing home defense handguns are better than any rifles used in bears. Handguns never should be used on large and dangerous brown bears.
Originally Underwood tested with the Glock 20, I remember emailing and talking with Kevin Underwood. My primary interest was with the .357 Sig, 9x25 Dillon, and 10mm Auto.
@@AlaskanBallistics Underwood had a separate loading for the Delta Elite which was slightly down loaded (for obvious reasons). It's been years since I bought any 10mm from Kevin and Mike (DoubleTap Ammo), the hottest 10mm loads I've shot was SwampFox Ammo (owner died, rip Mike Willard). SwampFox nuclear loads had the 180 gr Hornady XTP bouncing 1420 to 1453 fps from my Glock 20 with an aftermarket barrels (didn't have any issues).
I'm compelled to thank you for a fine video. My Ruger sr1911 wears a triple chamber comp, one piece rod, 22lb.differential flat wire springs, flat based firing pin stop plate, and 28lb. mainspring. It gets a steady diet of Buffalo Bore 185 .45 Super. I was surprised to hear you mention the flat based firing pin stop plate, most don't. I'm like you, .45 Super is an inordinate amount of fun.
Nice setup Dwayne. Who am I to say or judge those that don't go with a flat based firing pin stop. What I would say definitively is the two creators of 45Super just about mandated the flat based stop for a 1911 after all their testing. The one thing I did not mention which was considered a trial and error therefor not mandatory was a 5% increase in magazine spring pressure. This allows for the magazine to keep up with the increased velocity of the slide, though through the other modifications if successful you don't need magazine springs. Today you don't hear many speaking about timings of the 1911 but it is like a Swiss watch and often today because few understand it many consider the platform a pain when the majority of the time it can be related to timing. OK I am preaching now lol Dwayne thanks for stopping by hope you subscribed more 1911 content on the way.
@@Dayattherange I have a Springfield Armory 1911 A1with a slightly heavier factory recoil spring. I ordered it through the mail from the factory and picked it up in a local Coast to Coast store. I live in the Boonies in the Midwest and they were the closest FFL. It was set up to run plus P 45ACP ammo. I found out that it does not like a lot of the newer over the counter Ammo because many have de-rated the ammo. I now have to stick to 230 grn rounds in only a couple manufacturers. It seems to like CCI Blazer rounds. Are the CCI copper cases good enough to reload or should I just junk them? Do you like power piston powder for reloading or are you partial to another brand? I used to have a magic load for my Springfield but they quit making the Powder. US Army Vet myself. Went into Boot Camp in 1986. We were the group that they were forcing to adopt the 9mm M9. They were still changing over. I got a 1911 Colt to qualify with and then the Bastards took it and gave me an M9. Later some of us in certain groups were allowed to carry our 45's again. Then things changed again with the Glocks. I never understood why they just didn't go back to the 45 ACP in a glock. After all a handgun is just used to fight your way back to your rifle. You don't go into combat as your handgun being your primary weapon. Everyone has their favorite platform and everyone has their favorite Caliber. 😉
This video came up in my suggested list and I saw 10mm vs .45Super and it was an instant click. When I saw USMC, it was an instant subscribe. Semper Fi!
Took a 15 yard shot on a button buck with a 4" barrel M&P 45c with the Barnes SCHP 185gr. Had a total of 11" of penetration through shoulder blades, back straps and spine. Exit was Nickel to Quarter sized. Would be curious to know what the same projectile would do at the 45S velocities. Still needing to start work up loads for the new G40 MOS 10mm. Till then I have a few factory loads to play with.
This channel should be much bigger. Just found it and I love how he does. I don't reload but I will someday when I can afford it. In the good old days when it was cheaper to reload I wasn't shooting and now it's so hard to get into. Gonna watch his other stuff I like his style.
Just found your channel, this my 1st video iv seen 0f yours. I really enjoyed it. I been looking at what rings against the 10mm. I haven't seen a disadvantage on why not to carry a 10mm
Getting here sort of late in the comments, but RUclips knows how to keep me glued to the video screen and fed me this one I found some of the .45 185grain XTP that were on sale last year and I bought a few boxes that I'm just getting started on. I saw a few tests of those bullets in std .45 ACP @ about 850 FPS and the expansion was pretty much nonexistent, so it's good to see they do better at Mad Scientist velocity
good stuff. I haven't shot the 45 super yet. I like 10mm but don't own one. I have the typical 45 can't say that I have ever felt like it wouldn't do the job. I really like 7.62x25 with a good load a nasty little round. I like all calibers really. my big thing is making that hole exactly where I want it and reliability of the piece after that I'll nit pic over caliber. I enjoyed the content thank you.
Interesting video. IMO you need to remove the plastic from the gell blocks. Put clean linen down then set the block down tokeep them clean but trying to look through the wrinkles pretty much ruined the ability to see the expanded slugs at their point of rest.
Plastic was only on the bottom the wrinkles come from how they were shipped in the plastic. If I had known they were like that I would have taken a heat gun to them as a common technique to smooth them out after remelting. The pictures weight and expansion will go up at www.dayattherange.com
I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A PEST OF MYSELF BUT NOW THAT I HAVE REA😢LLY DISCOVERED YOUR WORK I DON'T WANT TO MISS ANY OPPORTUNITY TO LOBBY YOU. YOUR WORK IS VERY USEFUL! SO I WANT TO REITERATE AN EARLIER REQUEST THAT YOU DO SIMILAR COMPARISONS BUT INCLUDE A FAVORITE OF MINE THE 460 ROWLAND!! SECOND CHOICE FOR ANY ANALYSIS-- 10 MM. THANK YOU MUCH! YOU DON'T WASTE TIME AS SOME OTHERS DO. YOU ARE CLEAR AND STRAIGHT TO THE POINT. IN SUM, YOU ARE A REAL PROFESSIONAL BUT ONE WHO IS ENTERTAINING!! MANY THANKS. LONGUE CARABINE
Excellent test, sorry I am just now finding your channel! Just picked up some 45 super 230 JHP Underwood for my USP Expert and was curious what I was in for. Thanks!
Real fun brother! Love love love 45 plus Pedro . Looks like you could have made that 135 grain much hotter, maybe a more robust bonded bulllet like golden saber, would be phenomenal in that 10mm. Its a great bullet that never seems to be travelling fast enough to fully expand, but when its up at over 1200 fps its magical. The 10mm underwood extreme defender and xtreme penetrator would .ake that block fly off the table!! Want to see that! Thanks again!
Great content. All the 10 vs 45 videos online I don't think I've seen a G20 vs G21 or G40 vs G41 comparison...IMO that's the only way to truly put these on a level field..the 45 super or 450smc should be the new standard for .45 auto...
Great comparison of the two calibers. The tip you threw out concerning the firing pin stop plate was good but was under emphasized, in my opinion. That mod is one of the keys to properly tune a 1911 for high power loads. One more change should be the mainspring. Increasing that spring rate to 25-28 Lbs along with the flat bottom FPSP really helps keep the slide velocity down, much more than a heavy recoil spring which may cause the slide to cycle fast enough to outrun the magazine. I run a 28 lb mainspring and can’t tell the difference in trigger pull from the original spring on my Kimber.
Hi there lovely to see the 1911 pistol again I used to shot one in 45 cal. in competitions nothing would touch it that was until all handguns were banned in England I used to have a gunsmith friend of mine polish the throat with a dentist drill to take out any machine marks that used to make bad loading when using lead loads it work well, thank you for the video wished I lived near your club so I could shoot these handguns again take care and stay safe mate.
I enjoyed this video. I have fond memories of my Navy days carrying the Man Caliber sidearm on duty. Those were the times before most men turned into limp-wristed soyboys.
I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK! IT IS WELL DONE AND GROWN UP. YOU ALSO HAVE AN ENTERTAINMENT QUALITY TO YOUR VIDEOS, WHICH IS RARE. MANY OF YOUR PEERS ARE AS DULL AS A CAVEMAN'S STONE KNIFE! PLEASE CONSIDER MORE VIDEOS ALONG THE SAME PATH AS THIS ONE. I WOULD ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE A COMPARISON OF 45 SUPER WITH 460 ROWLAND AND THE 10 MM WITH THE FOCUS ON PENETRATION AND ACCURACY. I EMPHASIZE PENETRATION AND POWER MOST SINCE AN EXPERIENCE MANY YEARS AGO IN THE MOUNTAINS OF EAST TENNESSEE. A FAILURE TO PENETRATE DEEPLY PUT ME IN REAL DANGER!! I AM ALWAYS INTERESTED IN THE FIREARM ITSELF, ESPECIALLY THE BARREL LENGTH. THANK YOU AGAIN BROTHER. LONGUE CARABINE
I wish I bought a para ordnance 1911! They were made a few towns over from where I grew up in north carolina. That springfield is stunning I've never seen or heard of them! Beautiful!
You can argue that 45 cal projectiles need to be re engineered for the added velocity in 45 super. They look like they actually over expand in some cases. The added velocity causes them to expand to disks a little too soon
That is Underwood's fault. I saw another test using this ammunition and it did the same thing (Military Armaments Channel). Looks like they're using projectiles designed for ACP velocities and they're pancaking almost on impact and only getting 5"-7" of penetration.
Nice shooting! I have shot both calibers pretty extensively, all in 5 inch barrels. I have one of the guns that Ace built and another that I built using one of the conversion kits that Ace and his son Garey used to sell. Garey unfortunately retired and I may have bought the last of those kits...I have three left. My 10mm was a Colt Delta Elite. The Starline brass is superb by the way. We started out by forming from 308 Winchester brass which works pretty well but consistency and case life of the Starline brass is better. From a serious handgun hunters perspective I can tell you that, unless you are hunting really large muleys, the two calibers are interchangeable on deer. Hogs and bear are a different story. The Super is the way to go. The biggest challenge is in picking the right bullet. Every 230g hollow point I tried gave about the same result you got or less in terms of penetration. They open too fast but leave a huge wound cavity. 12- 16 inches is fine on deer but the 185g routinely out performed the 230g. Your observation about the rapid expansion of the 185g was spot on. Try the Barnes 185g. TAC-XP and you will get better penetration. The game changer for bigger. tougher and heavy boned game is the 255g hard cast. If you test that one, I promise that you will need another block of gel. Perhaps two. On broadside shots on hogs, I never get the bullet back. Same with quartering shots on black bear. I like to keep things simple. I load 185g and 255g. I sold the 10mm by the way. With the right bullet, the Super just out runs it. Great content here. Liked and subbed. Cheers!
@@Dayattherange I would love to see your version of the “Dicken Drill” with what you would be carrying in a similar scenario while (cold, 40 yds, 15 seconds, high stress, crowded environment). Everyone else makes these videos to either show off or fail but I think your version would be much more educational. We would learn from what works and from what doesn’t. Thoughts?
If you want to do a comparison video pit the 40 Super vs 10 mm with underwood ammo. As far as case pressures 40 Super is limited to 37,000 psi. The 45 Super does not get to even play in 40 Super ballpark, energies can reach just under 1,000 ft.lbs for muzzle energy for 135gr light loads or with 220gr hard cast the 40 Super still thumps with 890 ft.lbs. Check out the Wikipedia page for 40 Super have a barrel made by KKM or Bar-Sto with a fully supported chamber get a 24 lb recoil spring and have some fun.
@@tyemiller6204 40 Super is one hell of a cartridge. Handloading you are going to get the most out of the 40 Super as there are lots of bullet selections from light 135gr self defense projectiles all the way to the heaviest hard cast lead for Alaskan Brown Bear protection. Starline has brass for the 40 Super. A word of caution this round does not like double stack Glock magazines unless they have a certain older style follower, the rounds nosedive and then there is a failure to feed, this info is available online(see link below). Single stack Glock mags do not have this issue if you are using this round in a carry gun. ruclips.net/video/3Pcy7W-9Zcc/видео.htmlsi=qJk0B0f0ukzlkYgW
I have done several velocity tests with my own V16 stock long slide vs the same gun with a Jarvis 6” non-ported barrel and I found that those barrel ports in the standard V16 reduces velocity by about 70 fps. Losing that much velocity, and getting more blast from those ports, was not worth it to me. I left the Jarvis barrel installed permanently. Good video by the way.👍
Hi Sir Professional great vid. 45 super needs xtp or gold dots. Gun Sam just got into testing it nosler just isn't hard enough surprised that 10mm 200 nosler got that far penetration. Beautiful v16 . You might like my recent 9mm vs .45 fair test lw commander vid
I’ve never seen your channel before. I really enjoyed this video. Great demeanor. You got a new subscriber: BTW. I run .45 Super through my HK USP 45. It’s smacks the hell out of stuff with that big ass hunk of lead. I’ve got the M&P 10mm Performance center. It also knocks the hell out of everything. I guess I probably prefer the 45 super because I prefer the HK USP overall.
@@Dayattherange Smaller demographics I guess, but when they are done as well as this one, makes me appreciate them even more. I thought it was good and liked it and thought it was well planned and executed. So, thanks !!
I’ve been dreaming of a 38 Super 1911 for a while and always tell my uncle that am 1st in line when he sells it (bought it off another uncle) but honestly wasn’t aware there was even a 45 Super round 😮. Great comparison since I have a Delta in my stable.
It appears that the Revolver Guy 185 Grain .45 Super bullet entered the gel within millimeters of where the Underwood 235 grain .45 Super bullet entered. If so it shared part of the same wound track for the first several inches of gel. If this is the case, it makes the penetration comparison between the two meritless because at least part of the 185 grain's extra penetration is due to less gel resistance where it was going through the previously created wound track from the 230 grain. I understand that gel costs money, but firing multiple major caliber bullets into the same gel block rarely can lead to accurate comparisons. Even if the bullets have completely different tracks, the gel is compromised after the first shot is put through it (except perhaps in the case of rather anemic rounds such as .22, .25, .32, or perhaps .380).
There are actually a number of promising cartridges in this same vein. .400 Cor-Bon, .41 Avenger, .41 Action Express, .451 Detonics Magnum, .460 Rowland, .45 Winchester Magnum, and probably a number of others I don't know of. All almost exclusively for more advanced handloaders now. Some would even require a lathe to manufacture your own cases. A cartridge that requires that much labor and time or expensive custom loading to produce is generally doomed to obscurity. Interesting investigation of the little known .45 Super. 👍
Oh man, ParaOrdenance were beautifully made guns, with incredible triggers. They made subcompact double stack 45s before subcompacts became popular. 1200 fps I think is the perfect velocity for a defensive handgun. Im surprised the velocity was so low in testing. Still the boss....
Nice tests, man. I'm really impressed by that Hornady 185g 45 super load. I figured a light for caliber bullet like that would rapidly expand and stop at about 8 inches, but that XTP bullet must be better designed for higher velocities.
well done mr. DATR sir! very thorough. may i suggest something? as with rifles, there are SPEED MAGNUMS and POWER MAGNUMS in pistols. i believe your troops would like to see a POWER MAGNUM session with your 6" guns, and using hard cast heavy for calibers bullets. basically outdoor type loads looking for very deep penetration! i am a 1911 fan also, and they are great guns in their own world. and they make excelent backcountry pieces. that's why i would like to see your analytic skills applied to sort out some great calibers that might see backwoods duty on things with lots of teeth and claws.....(bear, wild hogs, wolves, cougars, et al) i have been at work for some time with the heavy cast bullet biz. i have done a little work with 9MM, 10MM, 357, 44 and 45Auto. more feedback from a qualified pro would be a treat! SEMPER FI joel
Thanks for giving the credit for the development of the .45 Super to my Dad, Dean A. Grennell, Ace Hindman and Tom Ferguson.
Dean was one of my favorite writers. I have his "Book of the 45". I also had a 25 TCU barrel for my Contender because of Dean. Only a handful of writers ever inspired the way your Dad did.
Cheers!
@@seanwoodburn2616 Thanks for the kind words. He would be happy to know that he still has dedicated fans.
Should take a look at a 460 rowland conversion, which is hotter than 45 super
That was some pretty good grouping on the paper. I never fired a 45 supper. I have a 10mm Glock 40 and I load my own +P+ ammo because most factory loads are way under loaded the only factory loads I mess with is buffalo bore and some underwood. Great video I love 9mm but it's good to see the larger calibers and someone who loads their own 10mm.
I still have several magazines in my collection (actually, quite a few) with your dad's articles. I believe I have them to include the time frame he was writing about developing this round. I converted my 4506 S&W to 45 Super and it is my everyday CPL carry gun
That six inch barrel without ports would get that .45 super up at 1200+ fps as I've done.
Great Video my brother. Beautiful 1911s
Thanks brother for the support. Those G10grips on the Springfield well is a little grabby 😁😁
@@Dayattherange think you'll get a non ported barrel in that thing? Kind of a shame to ruin that caliber with that many ports that it really doesn't need.
Thank you that's what I wanted to know. Ridiculous amount of holes.
@@AlaskanBallistics I may look for a barrel though since not many were made and it's with original box, tools, springs AND original documentation it may only see 45ACP rounds. 😁
AB checkout the feet per second on the follow video from the H&K Mark23
I converted an old Amy long slide over to .45 super. The 7 in barrel does wonders for the velocity.
Excellent tests! This is the best and most thorough test I've seen of these two rounds. I love 45 Super but 10mm power is hard to deny.
My first time seeing this guy. Good video and if I ever get in trouble, I want this guy on my side. Pretty good shooting. Thanks also for your service.
When a Marine speaks I listen. Good enthusiasm and good job with your testing of beautiful firearms. I love XTPs
What about the 255 .45 Super at over 1300 fps?
Thanks.
I love the 10mm my hand loaded ammo is. About like yours I allso shoot a 460 Rowland have never seen the 45 super ammo. Great presentation
At those speeds I kind of figured the 135 gr. bullets would blow up/ under penetrate. But for a close range defense round it would be awesome. Good video- keep 'em comin'!
I agree!! I'd totally use that 135 gr. Devastating energy dump!
Anything getting hit by that 135 is going to just liquify and splatter. The round should fragment and be VERY difficult to trace.
You had me at 1911, beautiful firearms! Great commentary boss, you’re a natural. Both cartridges seem very close, I would give the edge to 10mm for industry support though. Hard cast is king for bone breaking penetration. I want you to know, the fact that you’re a Marine does not keep me from enjoying your content… lol AFSOC out.
Too bad Springfield doesn't make these anymore. They really should have another run, I'm willing to bet they'd be very successful. Great video and great comparison !! Very interesting.
Wow !
Great info
Love your video!
Great shooting !
We are proud of ya partner
And a Huge THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY !
Thank You !
Great video as a handloader and a 10mm fan i really enjoyed it keep up the good work thumbs up buddy!
Allen thanks sir appreciate your encouragement. If you are a 10MM fan you may want to go checkout 10MM with Large Pistol Primer and Small Pistol Primer results. ruclips.net/video/osTMz9QrxLM/видео.html tell me what you think.
I have done some testing with them been reloading a long time lol I like large primers best seems I get cleaner burn less powder residue hopefully I’m correct lol tks sir
Underwood knows how to load cartridges properly.
Very cool! As a CZ Fanboy - I for one cannot wait for a 97b in 10mm
CZ had one and pictures floating around the internet from their custom shop. They have since taken it down and they no longer exist I think because many complained about the price being 3K.
Thanks for this video. I recently built a G21 with a KKM barrel and comp as well as a 22lb recoil spring. The nice thing being is that if the gun is tuned just right, you can fire ACP or Super without changing anything. Also of note, .450 SMC is basically the same as Super, with the only difference being the primer.
Huge fan of the 10mm in the 1911. It and the .44 Magnum are favorites to carry in black bear country. These cartridges are real popular in Alaska as well. Some fine shooting and very interesting data, impressive.
Yes, have all the parts
I have lived in Alaska since 1989 and from the same time have been guiding brown bears hunts.
The only stupid moron Big city slicker green horns who carry handguns in Alaska in the bush and along the rivers are ignorant dumb asses who been brainwashed into believing home defense handguns are better than any rifles used in bears.
Handguns never should be used on large and dangerous brown bears.
That 10mm really shines in a 10mm. Underwood tests in a 5" colt delta elite. They told me in an email.
Hey thanks for sharing AB thought about you when I was making the vid.
Originally Underwood tested with the Glock 20, I remember emailing and talking with Kevin Underwood. My primary interest was with the .357 Sig, 9x25 Dillon, and 10mm Auto.
@@ru2yaz33 interesting.
@@AlaskanBallistics Underwood had a separate loading for the Delta Elite which was slightly down loaded (for obvious reasons). It's been years since I bought any 10mm from Kevin and Mike (DoubleTap Ammo), the hottest 10mm loads I've shot was SwampFox Ammo (owner died, rip Mike Willard). SwampFox nuclear loads had the 180 gr Hornady XTP bouncing 1420 to 1453 fps from my Glock 20 with an aftermarket barrels (didn't have any issues).
I wonder how the holes in the barrel affect the velocity of the .45 Super? Were the barrel solid, I think the velocity would be increased.
I'm compelled to thank you for a fine video.
My Ruger sr1911 wears a triple chamber comp, one piece rod, 22lb.differential flat wire springs, flat based firing pin stop plate, and 28lb. mainspring.
It gets a steady diet of Buffalo Bore 185 .45 Super.
I was surprised to hear you mention the flat based firing pin stop plate, most don't.
I'm like you,
.45 Super is an inordinate amount of fun.
Nice setup Dwayne. Who am I to say or judge those that don't go with a flat based firing pin stop. What I would say definitively is the two creators of 45Super just about mandated the flat based stop for a 1911 after all their testing. The one thing I did not mention which was considered a trial and error therefor not mandatory was a 5% increase in magazine spring pressure. This allows for the magazine to keep up with the increased velocity of the slide, though through the other modifications if successful you don't need magazine springs. Today you don't hear many speaking about timings of the 1911 but it is like a Swiss watch and often today because few understand it many consider the platform a pain when the majority of the time it can be related to timing. OK I am preaching now lol Dwayne thanks for stopping by hope you subscribed more 1911 content on the way.
@@Dayattherange I have a Springfield Armory 1911 A1with a slightly heavier factory recoil spring. I ordered it through the mail from the factory and picked it up in a local Coast to Coast store. I live in the Boonies in the Midwest and they were the closest FFL. It was set up to run plus P 45ACP ammo. I found out that it does not like a lot of the newer over the counter Ammo because many have de-rated the ammo. I now have to stick to 230 grn rounds in only a couple manufacturers.
It seems to like CCI Blazer rounds. Are the CCI copper cases good enough to reload or should I just junk them?
Do you like power piston powder for reloading or are you partial to another brand?
I used to have a magic load for my Springfield but they quit making the Powder.
US Army Vet myself. Went into Boot Camp in 1986.
We were the group that they were forcing to adopt the 9mm M9.
They were still changing over. I got a 1911 Colt to qualify with and then the Bastards took it and gave me an M9. Later some of us in certain groups were allowed to carry our 45's again. Then things changed again with the Glocks.
I never understood why they just didn't go back to the 45 ACP in a glock.
After all a handgun is just used to fight your way back to your rifle.
You don't go into combat as your handgun being your primary weapon.
Everyone has their favorite platform and everyone has their favorite Caliber. 😉
You taught me something; I’ve heard of .38 super but not .45 super, good stuff; thanks
Man, great and informative video but more than anything, absolutely great energy! I love your vibes!
This video came up in my suggested list and I saw 10mm vs .45Super and it was an instant click. When I saw USMC, it was an instant subscribe.
Semper Fi!
Jay thanks brother hope you enjoyed and enjoy future content.
Took a 15 yard shot on a button buck with a 4" barrel M&P 45c with the Barnes SCHP 185gr. Had a total of 11" of penetration through shoulder blades, back straps and spine. Exit was Nickel to Quarter sized. Would be curious to know what the same projectile would do at the 45S velocities.
Still needing to start work up loads for the new G40 MOS 10mm. Till then I have a few factory loads to play with.
You’re doing good work, friend!!
Thank you for an excellent video!
.45 super 230 grain seems like the perfect HD-round to me: lots of energy, little chance of overpenetration!
The ports in that barrel really effect the velocity though. Would be nice if they both had non-ported 6-in barrels.
This channel should be much bigger. Just found it and I love how he does. I don't reload but I will someday when I can afford it. In the good old days when it was cheaper to reload I wasn't shooting and now it's so hard to get into. Gonna watch his other stuff I like his style.
Check out "Lee's Anniversary Kit" It will give u ur basics and then u can upgrade it little at a time.
Just found your channel, this my 1st video iv seen 0f yours. I really enjoyed it. I been looking at what rings against the 10mm. I haven't seen a disadvantage on why not to carry a 10mm
@bunkybell1120 like anything practice with what you carry. XdM is a nice carry and very controllable
Just discovered your channel, really enjoyed it. Love the pace you move thru your experiments.
Nice work! Two great rounds. I'll be given the super another look👀
Good big bullets moving fast ,always good.
Getting here sort of late in the comments, but RUclips knows how to keep me glued to the video screen and fed me this one
I found some of the .45 185grain XTP that were on sale last year and I bought a few boxes that I'm just getting started on.
I saw a few tests of those bullets in std .45 ACP @ about 850 FPS and the expansion was pretty much nonexistent,
so it's good to see they do better at Mad Scientist velocity
If you are not looking for 45 super loads. I found 185's at about 925fps start to expand.
@@Dayattherange I noticed the PP handloads at your website.
Good to see - Thanks
good stuff. I haven't shot the 45 super yet. I like 10mm but don't own one. I have the typical 45 can't say that I have ever felt like it wouldn't do the job. I really like 7.62x25 with a good load a nasty little round. I like all calibers really. my big thing is making that hole exactly where I want it and reliability of the piece after that I'll nit pic over caliber. I enjoyed the content thank you.
Thank you for the day at the range. Oorah, get sum. I love the head to head comparison, and your reloads!
Well stay tuned because some even longer barreled 45Super and 10MM bank sticks should be showing up in a week or so 😁😁
Great video! Just watched it. Great documentation of a very interesting, and very specifically, informative video ! 👍
I remember this one like it was yesterday it was very fun to do and see the outcome. Thanks Mike.
Best range comparison of the .45 Super vs. 10mm that I have viewed to date..
Are you sure sir I think you might want to take a look at this LOL dayattherange.com/double-tap-450smc-vs-10mm/
@@Dayattherange I just viewed your article and it is a very good article...
@Mebane59 thanks brother appreciate it
Would be neat to see the Grind Hard 45 acp ammo tested!
They have a 111 gr copper that is listed at 1700 fps out of a 5" barrel!!!
You're a pretty good shooter and yes, I should practice much more - take care & stay safe!
Two beautiful pistols for sure. Thanks!!!
Interesting video. IMO you need to remove the plastic from the gell blocks. Put clean linen down then set the block down tokeep them clean but trying to look through the wrinkles pretty much ruined the ability to see the expanded slugs at their point of rest.
Plastic was only on the bottom the wrinkles come from how they were shipped in the plastic. If I had known they were like that I would have taken a heat gun to them as a common technique to smooth them out after remelting. The pictures weight and expansion will go up at www.dayattherange.com
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SO I WANT TO REITERATE AN EARLIER REQUEST THAT YOU DO SIMILAR COMPARISONS BUT INCLUDE A FAVORITE OF MINE THE 460 ROWLAND!!
SECOND CHOICE FOR ANY ANALYSIS-- 10 MM.
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IN SUM, YOU ARE A REAL PROFESSIONAL BUT ONE WHO IS ENTERTAINING!!
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As retired army guy love a marine that knows his weapons great job thanks
That 135 grain 10mm load would make an excellent pest load
Hey devil, love the testing and gotta say I can't wait to get my 10mm and do some testing myself. Keep up the good work.
Excellent test, sorry I am just now finding your channel! Just picked up some 45 super 230 JHP Underwood for my USP Expert and was curious what I was in for. Thanks!
Glad it was beneficial I think you will love it in that HK
Real fun brother! Love love love 45 plus Pedro
. Looks like you could have made that 135 grain much hotter, maybe a more robust bonded bulllet like golden saber, would be phenomenal in that 10mm. Its a great bullet that never seems to be travelling fast enough to fully expand, but when its up at over 1200 fps its magical. The 10mm underwood extreme defender and xtreme penetrator would .ake that block fly off the table!! Want to see that! Thanks again!
Great content. All the 10 vs 45 videos online I don't think I've seen a G20 vs G21 or G40 vs G41 comparison...IMO that's the only way to truly put these on a level field..the 45 super or 450smc should be the new standard for .45 auto...
Thanks for your review and most importantly, Thanks for your service to this country!!
Great comparison of the two calibers. The tip you threw out concerning the firing pin stop plate was good but was under emphasized, in my opinion. That mod is one of the keys to properly tune a 1911 for high power loads. One more change should be the mainspring. Increasing that spring rate to 25-28 Lbs along with the flat bottom FPSP really helps keep the slide velocity down, much more than a heavy recoil spring which may cause the slide to cycle fast enough to outrun the magazine. I run a 28 lb mainspring and can’t tell the difference in trigger pull from the original spring on my Kimber.
Hi there lovely to see the 1911 pistol again I used to shot one in 45 cal. in competitions nothing would touch it that was until all handguns were banned in England I used to have a gunsmith friend of mine polish the throat with a dentist drill to take out any machine marks that used to make bad loading when using lead loads it work well, thank you for the video wished I lived near your club so I could shoot these handguns again take care and stay safe mate.
I enjoyed this video. I have fond memories of my Navy days carrying the Man Caliber sidearm on duty. Those were the times before most men turned into limp-wristed soyboys.
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PLEASE CONSIDER MORE VIDEOS ALONG THE SAME PATH AS THIS ONE.
I WOULD ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE A COMPARISON OF 45 SUPER WITH 460 ROWLAND AND THE 10 MM WITH THE FOCUS ON PENETRATION AND ACCURACY.
I EMPHASIZE PENETRATION AND POWER MOST SINCE AN EXPERIENCE MANY YEARS AGO IN THE MOUNTAINS OF EAST TENNESSEE. A FAILURE TO PENETRATE DEEPLY PUT ME IN REAL DANGER!!
I AM ALWAYS INTERESTED IN THE FIREARM ITSELF, ESPECIALLY THE BARREL LENGTH.
THANK YOU AGAIN BROTHER.
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Heavier projectiles, for the most part, penetrate deeper than lighter ones.
Very entertaining and informative video, I'm a fan of both calibers. New sub and Semper Fi!
I wish I bought a para ordnance 1911! They were made a few towns over from where I grew up in north carolina. That springfield is stunning I've never seen or heard of them! Beautiful!
I was really sad to see that brand go away knowing this was truly a dream for Ted and Thanos the founders of the company childhood friends.
You can argue that 45 cal projectiles need to be re engineered for the added velocity in 45 super. They look like they actually over expand in some cases. The added velocity causes them to expand to disks a little too soon
That is Underwood's fault. I saw another test using this ammunition and it did the same thing (Military Armaments Channel). Looks like they're using projectiles designed for ACP velocities and they're pancaking almost on impact and only getting 5"-7" of penetration.
Nice shooting!
I have shot both calibers pretty extensively, all in 5 inch barrels.
I have one of the guns that Ace built and another that I built using one of the conversion kits that Ace and his son Garey used to sell. Garey unfortunately retired and I may have bought the last of those kits...I have three left.
My 10mm was a Colt Delta Elite.
The Starline brass is superb by the way. We started out by forming from 308 Winchester brass which works pretty well but consistency and case life of the Starline brass is better.
From a serious handgun hunters perspective I can tell you that, unless you are hunting really large muleys, the two calibers are interchangeable on deer.
Hogs and bear are a different story. The Super is the way to go.
The biggest challenge is in picking the right bullet. Every 230g hollow point I tried gave about the same result you got or less in terms of penetration.
They open too fast but leave a huge wound cavity. 12- 16 inches is fine on deer but the 185g routinely out performed the 230g. Your observation about the rapid expansion of the 185g was spot on.
Try the Barnes 185g. TAC-XP and you will get better penetration.
The game changer for bigger. tougher and heavy boned game is the 255g hard cast.
If you test that one, I promise that you will need another block of gel. Perhaps two.
On broadside shots on hogs, I never get the bullet back. Same with quartering shots on black bear.
I like to keep things simple. I load 185g and 255g.
I sold the 10mm by the way.
With the right bullet, the Super just out runs it.
Great content here. Liked and subbed.
Cheers!
I'd love to see a tiny screw, able to fit in the hollow, without touching the barrel, set into the 135 grain, would do in gel
Great energy in this video!
My dad and Marine doesn't know he needs those grips Sir! Where could I aquire them??
Good content and great delivery, love your enthusiasm. All around very enjoyable.
This is a great presentation! I’ve been following GunTubers for some time. Where have you been?!
J-Dub I am humbled thank you.
@@Dayattherange I would love to see your version of the “Dicken Drill” with what you would be carrying in a similar scenario while (cold, 40 yds, 15 seconds, high stress, crowded environment). Everyone else makes these videos to either show off or fail but I think your version would be much more educational. We would learn from what works and from what doesn’t. Thoughts?
Way to go Marine. Love your presentation
Thanks Peter I hope you come back then for a carbine project I am working on HINT HINT 😁😁
Great vid. Probably lose a lot of velocity with those 16 ports in the SA barrel.
Great video again, testing a couple things I was thinking about recently
Dam fine shooting there Sir, dam fine.
Great job on the 45 super / 10 mil top shelf video
Thank you Michael
@@Dayattherange absolutely you are without question top of your game..
Great video and beautiful guns. Thanks for putting the work in to share this info with us.
Thank you
If you want to do a comparison video pit the 40 Super vs 10 mm with underwood ammo. As far as case pressures 40 Super is limited to 37,000 psi. The 45 Super does not get to even play in 40 Super ballpark, energies can reach just under 1,000 ft.lbs for muzzle energy for 135gr light loads or with 220gr hard cast the 40 Super still thumps with 890 ft.lbs. Check out the Wikipedia page for 40 Super have a barrel made by KKM or Bar-Sto with a fully supported chamber get a 24 lb recoil spring and have some fun.
Would love to see a 10mm vs 40 Super with heavy cast bullets….just picked up a 40 Super barrel from BarSto
@@tyemiller6204 40 Super is one hell of a cartridge. Handloading you are going to get the most out of the 40 Super as there are lots of bullet selections from light 135gr self defense projectiles all the way to the heaviest hard cast lead for Alaskan Brown Bear protection. Starline has brass for the 40 Super. A word of caution this round does not like double stack Glock magazines unless they have a certain older style follower, the rounds nosedive and then there is a failure to feed, this info is available online(see link below). Single stack Glock mags do not have this issue if you are using this round in a carry gun.
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Phuk yeah Marine!
I run 200gr 45 Super through My 8"Banshee. The nice thing is it also feeds 230 gr ball ammo all day. Most humans organs are within 4".
I bet underwoods 120gr extreme efenders in a long barrel would be crazy. I get 1,700 FPS in a 5”
Be interesting to add the 460 Rowland in that mix. But in a 5in 1911
I have done several velocity tests with my own V16 stock long slide vs the same gun with a Jarvis 6” non-ported barrel and I found that those barrel ports in the standard V16 reduces velocity by about 70 fps. Losing that much velocity, and getting more blast from those ports, was not worth it to me. I left the Jarvis barrel installed permanently. Good video by the way.👍
Probably more a matter of the internal dimensions of the Jarvis bbl , than the ports per se .
@@margarethouse404 so you don't think 16 holes in the barrel bleeds off pressure, causing a drop in velocity?
Just found ya! Awesome work. I'll be watching every video when I see ya
Aaron much appreciated
Hi Sir Professional great vid. 45 super needs xtp or gold dots. Gun Sam just got into testing it nosler just isn't hard enough surprised that 10mm 200 nosler got that far penetration. Beautiful v16 . You might like my recent 9mm vs .45 fair test lw commander vid
Love your show. Thank you.
I’ve never seen your channel before. I really enjoyed this video. Great demeanor. You got a new subscriber:
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I run .45 Super through my HK USP 45. It’s smacks the hell out of stuff with that big ass hunk of lead.
I’ve got the M&P 10mm Performance center.
It also knocks the hell out of everything.
I guess I probably prefer the 45 super because I prefer the HK USP overall.
The xtp is a tougher bullet than the nosler. I like em both . Great video
Springfield needs to develop a hunter model in 45 super with ceracote finish, good fiber optic sights, 6'' barrel, and maybe cut for red dot.
Outstanding video thank you for your service sir.
Great vid🤟❤👍 I bought Hawthorn 45 Super 255 gr hardcast Ammo that hits 1490fps and 1257 fpe on the chronograph. Insane....
Nice test. Wonder what the velocity might be for the .45 Super with a full 6" barrel without 2" of porting. kor
I appreciate no nonsense testing and let the actual results speak for themselves.
Appreciate you saying that -- I love the testing and love doing it but they are not popular.
@@Dayattherange Smaller demographics I guess, but when they are done as well as this one, makes me appreciate them even more. I thought it was good and liked it and thought it was well planned and executed. So, thanks !!
Glad I just found your channel! Love the energy and info
I’ve been dreaming of a 38 Super 1911 for a while and always tell my uncle that am 1st in line when he sells it (bought it off another uncle) but honestly wasn’t aware there was even a 45 Super round 😮. Great comparison since I have a Delta in my stable.
It appears that the Revolver Guy 185 Grain .45 Super bullet entered the gel within millimeters of where the Underwood 235 grain .45 Super bullet entered. If so it shared part of the same wound track for the first several inches of gel. If this is the case, it makes the penetration comparison between the two meritless because at least part of the 185 grain's extra penetration is due to less gel resistance where it was going through the previously created wound track from the 230 grain. I understand that gel costs money, but firing multiple major caliber bullets into the same gel block rarely can lead to accurate comparisons. Even if the bullets have completely different tracks, the gel is compromised after the first shot is put through it (except perhaps in the case of rather anemic rounds such as .22, .25, .32, or perhaps .380).
Love your delivery! You've got a new sub!
As always I love the video and your intensity!
Thank you Frank
Thank you for your service!
You Certainly know your Stuff, Great Vid!!...oooo Double Dog
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Wow thank you
There are actually a number of promising cartridges in this same vein. .400 Cor-Bon, .41 Avenger, .41 Action Express, .451 Detonics Magnum, .460 Rowland, .45 Winchester Magnum, and probably a number of others I don't know of. All almost exclusively for more advanced handloaders now. Some would even require a lathe to manufacture your own cases. A cartridge that requires that much labor and time or expensive custom loading to produce is generally doomed to obscurity. Interesting investigation of the little known .45 Super. 👍
Good video. Well done Sir 👏👏
Didn't see the expansion at the end of all the rounds...?
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Thank for your service ❤ great test im subscribing
Thank you Scott hope you enjoy.
@Dayattherange your welcome sir I'm sure I'll enjoy your vedios
I like how you present the 45 super from the 10mm. The 45super is a lot of gun to a 10mm, but I am sold.
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Oh man, ParaOrdenance were beautifully made guns, with incredible triggers. They made subcompact double stack 45s before subcompacts became popular. 1200 fps I think is the perfect velocity for a defensive handgun. Im surprised the velocity was so low in testing. Still the boss....
Nice tests, man. I'm really impressed by that Hornady 185g 45 super load. I figured a light for caliber bullet like that would rapidly expand and stop at about 8 inches, but that XTP bullet must be better designed for higher velocities.
XTP is really tough ALL of them no matter the caliber is what I have come to find out
Hollow points aren't for deep penetration they're for dumping energy and not over penetrating
well done mr. DATR sir! very thorough. may i suggest something? as with rifles, there are SPEED MAGNUMS and POWER MAGNUMS in pistols. i believe your troops would like to see a POWER MAGNUM session with your 6" guns, and using hard cast heavy for calibers bullets. basically outdoor type loads looking for very deep penetration! i am a 1911 fan also, and they are great guns in their own world. and they make excelent backcountry pieces. that's why i would like to see your analytic skills applied to sort out some great calibers that might see backwoods duty on things with lots of teeth and claws.....(bear, wild hogs, wolves, cougars, et al)
i have been at work for some time with the heavy cast bullet biz. i have done a little work with 9MM, 10MM, 357, 44 and 45Auto. more feedback from a qualified pro would be a treat!
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