If you are gonna track the car BBK is a must. Dark rotors doesn't mean anything, that paint comes off as soon as you use brakes. The rotora 4/2 setup is on sale for $3600 atm.
Thanks for addressing the elephant in the room, which is I think "do you actually have the need for high-performance brakes." We would all love 6-piston Brembos up front, but the reality is they would not make a difference during normal driving conditions, not more than different pads would. It's about heat build up and dispersion under continuous braking, at the track, or outrunning the police, whatever your 'special' application may be!
I agree buy big breakers if needed, or if you have the spare cash (I’d buy if had spare cash) I drive my 310bhp vb on road only at this stage and drive it pretty spiritedly , so far the standard breaks have been absolutely fine…
If you're having caliper problems. Check to see if the slides moving freely. Then Try taking out the slides cleaning them out and putting fresh grease in there. Especially if it got hot. It's worth a try.
TDMI has both 4-piston and 6-piston options for the VB. I have the 4-piston option on the front of my GT and they’re pretty great. Stock pads are pretty good, and held up to some pretty heavy abuse up in the mountains a few weeks ago. Though I did use up a ton of the street pads doing it. I’ll be testing out their “track” pads when I go up again.
Yup I’m going this route. They have a good deal for brand new calipers and brake pads, I had to scoop up a set bc of the price! Will just be doing an 2017 STI rep for the rear w/ the heat/dust shield
I agree with Awais. BBK option for the VB’s that aren’t a TR are kinda pricey. That’s considering if you want to push the car further than 400 WHP. That money can go towards a 15+ STI transmission. Don’t get me wrong you need to brake with more power and I’d recommend stainless steel lines, pads, dot 4 fluid, and rotors before going full BBK especially for a daily. If you have the money to throw away and don’t care about the cost at all then, a BBK would be an option for you.
Getting ready to do 17 STI 4/2 pot on my 2020 WRX. calipers, rotors, pads, lines, fluid, bolts. All in all comes to about $1500. With a DIY powder coat job on the calipers it should come out looking and feeling pretty great.
I think the option is if you already have a VB WRX. I bought mine in early 2023 for dirt cheap. Selling it for a TR is not an option for me because I would take a substantial loss.
As someone who went with 2008-2017 STI 4/2 pot with DBA rotors (5000 2pc fronts and 4000 rears), be very aware your wheel choice is limited to ones with extremely high brake clearance. The top hat of the front rotor significantly sinks the wheel in so many wheels that would clear the older STIs actually hit. I went through three sets of wheels test fitting and they did not clear.
I just bought the front 15-17 oem Sti brembos, just the fronts for $400 which in my opinion is plenty for me and most people since most of the breaking comes from the front. I have a 19 base wrx and the 15-17 Sti front brembos are a direct bolt on only thing you need to do is get the mounting bolts, brake pads, and rotors for the Sti. All in just for the fronts you are probably at 800$ maybe more but still under 1k.
Good info, if I were to go back and do mine all over again, I'd do the same thing. IMO the best bang for buck is either of the VA setups but with correct offset rotors like DBA or Paragon. If you don't want to trim dust shields, just use the shields from the corresponding VA.
Quality content here! Your discussion at the end about realistically justifying big brakes is so important. Ultimately that is why i bought a Limited over the TR...also looking at the eventual replacement cost for those rotors/pads 😵 I'll just powder coat the stock calipers for aesthetics...there are so many more fun, important, and affordable upgrades in the meantime.
Your brake pad uneven wear could likely be due to Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC). Since the wrx does not have LSD they use VDC as a cost saving way to achieve the same goal. It uses the brakes to slow the inner wheel on a turn to make the car rotate better. This I creases brake wear obviously. If your on a course that turns left more than right then your left rear brake will be more worn then everybody else on the car lol. Id blame this for your wear.
Good timing on the video, just got my car tuned at Felix Performance. I can go fast now, but I didn't think I would need something to slow me down. Upgraded to Hawk 5.0 pads and that helped a bit.
Good vid as always. Ive racked my brain for countless hours looking for a BBK setup thats affordable-ish and an all in one setup. I dont want to have to go find random cadillac calipers and one off rotors and some other sourced brackets etc. That said im not happy with stock brake performance. Its the one thing about this car Ive been disapointed with and frankly scares me.
Reds are good for street driving, but not for high speed track use. I used Reds on DBA rotors at Laguna sea and the EBC red brakes faded within three laps. I'm using the Alcon front BBK now, with EBC yellow in the rear.
I was looking at the brake part options at Rock Auto. They are no Brembos but they do have some name brand upgraded rotors and pads available. As AWFUL as the stock pads are I'm sure a premium auto parts store brand will work much better. Might be a good option for your average weekend warrior.
My goodness, should've watched the whole video lmao. I think by going with rockauto and doing some work by yourself you can still save a bit of money on the 4/2 pot sti rotors
Ya I've been looking at thr alcon break kit fir the time being I have my OEM calipers painted, not planing on upgrading until these are near shot basically.
I got the 6 piston Alcon kit with race pads for my VB- I had initial issues bedding them in, I may try a lower friction pad for street use. Unless you are tracking the car, I'd stick with stock. Change the rubber lines to braided, and change the fluid to Dot 4 RBF 600. Use Titanium pad shims. I've used stock brakes at Sonoma raceway and Laguna Seca, they work great and didn't really ever fade, but do get hot and wear out quickly, so have spare pads handy. I've also used EBC reds on DBA slotted and drilled rotors, great for street, but those faded out within 3 hard laps at the track.
Oh and you need at least a 3mm spacer for the stock rims to fit over the Alcon brakes- I use a 5mm spacer with stock rims. This means you also need to get longer wheel studs and new lug nuts to be safe. The stock wheel studs are very short, and the lug nuts won't have enough thread bite when using spacers.
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In your video, you mentioned that in addition to the list of parts shown in the Subaru quote, you will also need to get new knuckles. I looked up the knuckle part number for the 2024 TR and there are actually two of them. One part number says it will fit only the 2024 TR and the other part number says it will fit all trim levels of WRX from 2022 through 2024, including the TR. Maybe it’s just a misprint on the Subaru parts site, but can you check for sure if a new knuckle is really needed? Mike
Someone on Facebook heard that from the Subaru tech. Tbh I have no way to confirm unless someone actually does this kit. I'll see if I can find out from Subaru. Maybe when I hit up my dealer soon.
Confirmed with the Subaru parts dept at my dealer that only the front knuckles are different for the 2024 TR. While the knuckles are available to order, the 2024 TR front Brembo calipers are showing up in the Subaru part database as “not available” (yet). There is no ETA as to when they will be available to order.
Ok for those of us building a upgraded daily that wont see a track etc. Can any confirm if the DBA 16-22 WRX (w/Eyesight Technology) XP Performance Rear Brake Pads | DB2398XP is for the eyesight models? Seem impossible to find rear pads for eyesight models.
This car should have come like the GR Corolla with a standard 4/2 set up straight from the factory. I appreciate Subaru trying to keep the car affordable, but she’s running close to 300 hp and every other car in the class (GTI, GR Corolla, etc.) has better brakes
The GR starts at 36k though. You can still get a base WRX for 32k. Plus the GR model you'd get would be a premium. Because it comes with the torsen LSDs. The base Corolla isn't worth it imo.
90% of people don’t even need BBKs. If you’re at a track with high speed straights and also lapping a lot more than usual, then yeah the extra heat dissipation from BBKs will be worth it.
I wouldn't spend money on a Big brake kit go to CTS brake swap they make a kit so you can run ATS 4 pots in the front with STI rotor. cost you about $500. Leave the rears alone.
Maaaan. I dont think I'll ever spend this amount to upgrade my VB brakes with these options for the same reason. Way too much to justify IMO. I dont see myself ever spending over 2k. I just won't. Thanks for the awesome video as always, and great information. A new video just came out for the ctsv swap with parts. Possibly more affordable with GM brembos? Hmmm. Gonna wait and see. 🤞🏼🤞🏼
I hear a lot about the GM and the Cadillac brembo's They seem like a really good option You just have to source all the individual pieces together I think I will put a video together for that soon.
@HeavyMetalWRX Hell yeah, I think I'm gonna go that route. I was just watching and going over Subidoos videos. Looks like it will be a great upgrade for the price. Gonna get some track days this summer, so I need to upgrade. I'm stoked to see your video, man. The kit isn't quite available yet, but I'm gonna snag once it is. 🤘🏻
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100% adequate for daily use. A lot of people do find the brakes to be a little mushy. What you can do is next time you change the pads just get something slightly better. Id say even the carbon ones from duralast or rock auto would be better than OEM pads for the future.
I'd put 5k into an sti trans rather than the 6pot/4pot brakes.
Would that cover installation too? 🤔
@@mistamaogI was quoted $8,000 for turn key STI swap
@@CruelUnknown only if you could get it for 5k tho. Spent about 3k on my used 6pot. The look alone is worth the money imo
If you are gonna track the car BBK is a must. Dark rotors doesn't mean anything, that paint comes off as soon as you use brakes. The rotora 4/2 setup is on sale for $3600 atm.
Thanks for addressing the elephant in the room, which is I think "do you actually have the need for high-performance brakes." We would all love 6-piston Brembos up front, but the reality is they would not make a difference during normal driving conditions, not more than different pads would. It's about heat build up and dispersion under continuous braking, at the track, or outrunning the police, whatever your 'special' application may be!
I agree buy big breakers if needed, or if you have the spare cash (I’d buy if had spare cash) I drive my 310bhp vb on road only at this stage and drive it pretty spiritedly , so far the standard breaks have been absolutely fine…
There’s another option for bigger brakes on the VB. Going with alum pots from a Nissan z32 and an adapter from KNS
If you're having caliper problems. Check to see if the slides moving freely. Then Try taking out the slides cleaning them out and putting fresh grease in there. Especially if it got hot. It's worth a try.
TDMI has both 4-piston and 6-piston options for the VB. I have the 4-piston option on the front of my GT and they’re pretty great. Stock pads are pretty good, and held up to some pretty heavy abuse up in the mountains a few weeks ago. Though I did use up a ton of the street pads doing it. I’ll be testing out their “track” pads when I go up again.
CTS (GM brembo) brakes,
Yup I’m going this route. They have a good deal for brand new calipers and brake pads, I had to scoop up a set bc of the price! Will just be doing an 2017 STI rep for the rear w/ the heat/dust shield
I agree with Awais. BBK option for the VB’s that aren’t a TR are kinda pricey. That’s considering if you want to push the car further than 400 WHP. That money can go towards a 15+ STI transmission. Don’t get me wrong you need to brake with more power and I’d recommend stainless steel lines, pads, dot 4 fluid, and rotors before going full BBK especially for a daily. If you have the money to throw away and don’t care about the cost at all then, a BBK would be an option for you.
Getting ready to do 17 STI 4/2 pot on my 2020 WRX. calipers, rotors, pads, lines, fluid, bolts. All in all comes to about $1500. With a DIY powder coat job on the calipers it should come out looking and feeling pretty great.
How'd it come out?
@mistamaog i ended up painting them and wasn't able to swap the lines but everything has been rock solid for about a month now.
@@the_real_treezus Nice, did you have any clearance issues?
@@mistamaog not at all
So at this price point, I think it’s best to get the TR you’ll get the seats and the bravo no sunroof, but he’ll it’ll feel better and no chances
I think the option is if you already have a VB WRX. I bought mine in early 2023 for dirt cheap. Selling it for a TR is not an option for me because I would take a substantial loss.
As someone who went with 2008-2017 STI 4/2 pot with DBA rotors (5000 2pc fronts and 4000 rears), be very aware your wheel choice is limited to ones with extremely high brake clearance. The top hat of the front rotor significantly sinks the wheel in so many wheels that would clear the older STIs actually hit. I went through three sets of wheels test fitting and they did not clear.
Tr brake is bigger than last gen sti ? Wow
@@unclelive6918 TR is exactly the same as 18-21 STI.
I just bought the front 15-17 oem Sti brembos, just the fronts for $400 which in my opinion is plenty for me and most people since most of the breaking comes from the front. I have a 19 base wrx and the 15-17 Sti front brembos are a direct bolt on only thing you need to do is get the mounting bolts, brake pads, and rotors for the Sti. All in just for the fronts you are probably at 800$ maybe more but still under 1k.
Good info, if I were to go back and do mine all over again, I'd do the same thing. IMO the best bang for buck is either of the VA setups but with correct offset rotors like DBA or Paragon. If you don't want to trim dust shields, just use the shields from the corresponding VA.
The thing that will be nice about getting a tr is the brakes will be under warranty
Probably not the pads though. Pads will be expensive if you don’t diy
@@inactivemogul403 right
Quality content here! Your discussion at the end about realistically justifying big brakes is so important. Ultimately that is why i bought a Limited over the TR...also looking at the eventual replacement cost for those rotors/pads 😵 I'll just powder coat the stock calipers for aesthetics...there are so many more fun, important, and affordable upgrades in the meantime.
I got myself the TDMI BBK (neon yellow) for my 22 VB WRX and it is definitely worth it!
Your brake pad uneven wear could likely be due to Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC). Since the wrx does not have LSD they use VDC as a cost saving way to achieve the same goal. It uses the brakes to slow the inner wheel on a turn to make the car rotate better. This I creases brake wear obviously. If your on a course that turns left more than right then your left rear brake will be more worn then everybody else on the car lol. Id blame this for your wear.
Good timing on the video, just got my car tuned at Felix Performance. I can go fast now, but I didn't think I would need something to slow me down. Upgraded to Hawk 5.0 pads and that helped a bit.
Good vid as always. Ive racked my brain for countless hours looking for a BBK setup thats affordable-ish and an all in one setup. I dont want to have to go find random cadillac calipers and one off rotors and some other sourced brackets etc. That said im not happy with stock brake performance. Its the one thing about this car Ive been disapointed with and frankly scares me.
I wanted to add a Brembo kit to my VB until I saw the price. Now I'm thinking EBC reds or something along those lines, lol.
Reds are good for street driving, but not for high speed track use. I used Reds on DBA rotors at Laguna sea and the EBC red brakes faded within three laps. I'm using the Alcon front BBK now, with EBC yellow in the rear.
I was looking at the brake part options at Rock Auto. They are no Brembos but they do have some name brand upgraded rotors and pads available. As AWFUL as the stock pads are I'm sure a premium auto parts store brand will work much better. Might be a good option for your average weekend warrior.
Should have mentioned the 4/2 pot STI brakes from the 04-17 sti!! I believe if done sprucely, they're just shy of $2500
My goodness, should've watched the whole video lmao. I think by going with rockauto and doing some work by yourself you can still save a bit of money on the 4/2 pot sti rotors
TR has a different master cylinder where the aftermarket are probably built for what the car came with.
Ya I've been looking at thr alcon break kit fir the time being I have my OEM calipers painted, not planing on upgrading until these are near shot basically.
I got the 6 piston Alcon kit with race pads for my VB- I had initial issues bedding them in, I may try a lower friction pad for street use. Unless you are tracking the car, I'd stick with stock. Change the rubber lines to braided, and change the fluid to Dot 4 RBF 600. Use Titanium pad shims. I've used stock brakes at Sonoma raceway and Laguna Seca, they work great and didn't really ever fade, but do get hot and wear out quickly, so have spare pads handy. I've also used EBC reds on DBA slotted and drilled rotors, great for street, but those faded out within 3 hard laps at the track.
Oh and you need at least a 3mm spacer for the stock rims to fit over the Alcon brakes- I use a 5mm spacer with stock rims. This means you also need to get longer wheel studs and new lug nuts to be safe. The stock wheel studs are very short, and the lug nuts won't have enough thread bite when using spacers.
Them stock pads sucks on my 22 wrx .Wish they would have at least put better pads on it. Thanks for your video
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I want the new turn signal stock/system that has a regular turn signal...not the BMW BS.
Kinda ironic that this video comes out just when im in the market for a new brake kit, the factory brakes are just awful
New pads helped. Stock pads are just awful.
@@betancourtl I tried ordering EBC redstuff but they out of order
Get some GM brembos and piece the parts. Not hard takes a little time but the parts are all out there and you’ll be saving 50-60% the cost
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In your video, you mentioned that in addition to the list of parts shown in the Subaru quote, you will also need to get new knuckles. I looked up the knuckle part number for the 2024 TR and there are actually two of them. One part number says it will fit only the 2024 TR and the other part number says it will fit all trim levels of WRX from 2022 through 2024, including the TR. Maybe it’s just a misprint on the Subaru parts site, but can you check for sure if a new knuckle is really needed?
Mike
Someone on Facebook heard that from the Subaru tech. Tbh I have no way to confirm unless someone actually does this kit. I'll see if I can find out from Subaru. Maybe when I hit up my dealer soon.
Confirmed with the Subaru parts dept at my dealer that only the front knuckles are different for the 2024 TR. While the knuckles are available to order, the 2024 TR front Brembo calipers are showing up in the Subaru part database as “not available” (yet). There is no ETA as to when they will be available to order.
I was just thinking about this yesterday. So many options and not my realm of expertise.
Ok for those of us building a upgraded daily that wont see a track etc. Can any confirm if the DBA 16-22 WRX (w/Eyesight Technology) XP Performance Rear Brake Pads | DB2398XP is for the eyesight models? Seem impossible to find rear pads for eyesight models.
This car should have come like the GR Corolla with a standard 4/2 set up straight from the factory. I appreciate Subaru trying to keep the car affordable, but she’s running close to 300 hp and every other car in the class (GTI, GR Corolla, etc.) has better brakes
The GR starts at 36k though. You can still get a base WRX for 32k. Plus the GR model you'd get would be a premium. Because it comes with the torsen LSDs. The base Corolla isn't worth it imo.
90% of people don’t even need BBKs. If you’re at a track with high speed straights and also lapping a lot more than usual, then yeah the extra heat dissipation from BBKs will be worth it.
100% of people do not need a wrx while we can all just drive a cheap car to get from point A to B.
@@Danything123 and those 100% of people can also ride bicycles and walk to places. Point valid 👍
@@xtrekrex right? 😄
Another great video.
I wouldn't spend money on a Big brake kit go to CTS brake swap they make a kit so you can run ATS 4 pots in the front with STI rotor. cost you about $500. Leave the rears alone.
Maaaan. I dont think I'll ever spend this amount to upgrade my VB brakes with these options for the same reason. Way too much to justify IMO. I dont see myself ever spending over 2k. I just won't. Thanks for the awesome video as always, and great information. A new video just came out for the ctsv swap with parts. Possibly more affordable with GM brembos? Hmmm. Gonna wait and see. 🤞🏼🤞🏼
I hear a lot about the GM and the Cadillac brembo's They seem like a really good option You just have to source all the individual pieces together I think I will put a video together for that soon.
@HeavyMetalWRX Hell yeah, I think I'm gonna go that route. I was just watching and going over Subidoos videos. Looks like it will be a great upgrade for the price. Gonna get some track days this summer, so I need to upgrade. I'm stoked to see your video, man. The kit isn't quite available yet, but I'm gonna snag once it is. 🤘🏻
Can you paint your wall please?
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Hi, if I use my wrx normal, everyday drive and not racing on weekends. The stock brakes are more then adequate?
100% adequate for daily use. A lot of people do find the brakes to be a little mushy. What you can do is next time you change the pads just get something slightly better. Id say even the carbon ones from duralast or rock auto would be better than OEM pads for the future.
Thanks
Just buy pads, no big break kit is necessary.
Tr now seem to be bargain, OEM ++++