Pro tip: Research your mods, purchase as many as you can, and then tune. If you buy your intake, tune, and then a couple months later get a new turbo back, tune, and then a few months later you get a top mount, tune, you had to pay for 3 tunes or more. That adds up fast. It is best to bundle all mods into one. It saves money and time.
i waited two years and did my research before i modded my 18 wrx and did all the bolt ons and the tune at a shop in a weekend. very good advice. that being said the VA's are much more expensive than the VB's are to mod. an intake alone makes just about the power mine did with much more parts on 93.
@@christopher-gardner the rumble is still there, the rumble comes from Un equal length headers which are actually a big reason why the ej was unreliable. Unequal length headers create negative pressure in cylinder 4 which in turn causes ringland and head gasket issues. The FA20 and FA24 have equal length headers which create equal flow of games which gives you better performance and reliability. If you want the rumble on a FA block your a UELH away from it.
Awesome video Foster, lots of helpful data on this. Perrin just release the turbo inlet for their intake. I am curious of that will make a difference. I will be installing the new Perrin inlet on my channel this week.
Could you do a similar video with all the exhaust systems that you offer? I know the differences would most likely be minimal in terms of power but it would be nice to help decide what cat back to purchase.
this is it right here. good content, you learn a thing or two and get to see products at work & how they perform as well as the best application for each brand.
Please do this with a cvt! Some of us like myself just want to do an intake and exhaust just for some good sound and minor performance increases without having to tune it so we can be safe without pushing the Trans too much but also having a little fun!
The FA24 is a different beast from the FA20. FA20s had pretty much zero gains with Cobb intakes unless you added other upgrades like a FMIC, EBCS, charge pipe etc
I'd like that too. My last car only needed a drop in filter. The stock airbox was efficient enough, that you didn't need an aftermarket intake. But that doesn't make companies money now does it...
They do! The FA24 is no joke. Though the tranny is the first weak point(I have an sti trans lined up for mine) and then at 450whp they are finding the stock head bolts start to stretch.
Awesome and very interesting video. Sadly it seems the torque curve isn't as flat compared to stock, I wonder how dramatic that would feel when driving the car?
Suggestion for a follow-up video. Lots of people want to remove the carbon trap and use a high flow pannel drop in filter in place of the OEM filter. Could you do a similar test for that OEM+ intake? I do not want to tune my car and I'd like to see actual data showing that this OEM+ mod won't lean out the AFM and be dangerous for the engine.
@MooseTvGaming even without a tune it still had parts where it would be lean then rich. I'd never suggest an intake without a tune. Be smart and just get a tune.
I am running the ETS with sleeve on stock tune at 18k miles and its running great, I watch AFR on obd2 port and they were great as well. Someone else did the same thing and had terrible numbers. Guess I lucked out. UPDATE: I looked at LTFT and it was all over the place, +- 17% and even higher sometimes, so I got a protune with Clark Turner. HIGHLY recommend.
@@joshwakawaka7409 any obd2 sensor on amazon, and I used torque pro app. Correction, it adds up to 17% fuel, so for an update, I got a pro tune I did not feel safe, the fuel trim was all over the place to correct the AFR.
ETS stage 3 package is the way to go if u plan on getting a pro tune. U looking to spend 1k or more for your pro tune, Make your dyno day worth every penny . ETS FMIC, ETS Intake, ETS exhaust, coobs access port. Additional J pipe.
Yes haha. It’s insane. Graham tuned my car with a BMS intake and some ethanol. Ram my best friend who was still stock and put trains on the car. The FA24 is a monster with minimal effort.
I hate to say it already with it being such a recent video...but you have to add the Mishimoto to this competition. They seem to have put a lot of brain power into it and it looks beautiful I am guessing it will be somewhere above the perrin but below the aem....but without you we will never know!
Loved this! I’m moving onto power mods after doing some aesthetic ones. Really want more acceleration and power for my daily driver 22 wrx sport tech. Was going to get ETS intake this has persuaded me to get AME
I don’t know about this generation but my 2014 WOULD NOT boost with a Cobb intake til I got a tune. So I guess the answer is whose got the better tune.
What were the boost numbers you were getting from each?
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Thanks for this illustrative video! I have a question, if I understood well, when I want only to increase power but don't do any tunning stage, is the option the Perrin Intake? Thanks a lot for your time :D
I’m confused, you talk about open loop, but then you talk about adjusting the MAF to not “lean on the corrections” does the FA24 have full time closed loop? There were several contradictory things said in this video.
You would probably see some good gains if you ran the dyno a couple of times so it can correct the air and fuel ratio and learn the new part you installed
I’m sorry i haven’t been following the full build. does anybody know what all else is done to it? ain’t no way it’s making 300whp and 400 tq from just an intake lol
In the vid they said Top Mount and catback but those aren't really give much gains so that's pretty much all intake. With a stock top mount I'd imagine that heatsoak would be more of an issue when you are givin it the beans tho lol
proof stock, minus the carbon filter, is just as good...how much more filter surface area do these aftermarket intakes have over the stock intake surface area??
I'm late to the party. The Perrin is ok to use without a tune because the inside diameter of the MAF housing is supposed to be the same as OEM. IDK about any other aftermarket intakes using the same diameter housing/tube
Awesome video! Just to confirm, the Perrin might be best for someone looking for moderate and safe power gains. And it would be good with a Cobb tune? Or would it need a custom tune? I have a 22 6-speed and I love it.
The cobb tune is intended for STOCK cars only. A few people have blown their cars from running the cobb tune with an intake. I would recommend a custom tune for the intake
If you're nervous, talk to your tuner. If not, these guys have the dynos to prove the minimal risk running these on a stock tune. They also have a statement saying the same testing was performed on all OTS tunes on the CobbAP. No one is is going to hold your hand and tell you everything is perfect, though. There's always risk involved.
I just installed my perrin intake. Supposedly needs no tune on my 2023 wrx. I've only had it on for about 1 day now. But I can't get over how it's lost it's bottom end power. My car's new, but I've driven it quite a bit. It's always pulled really hard and for a scare. All the way through. After I installed the intake I've lost all my bottom end, and it won't kick in until about 4,600 rpm. But by that time it's almost time to shift. I don't know that I'm keeping this intake on my car. I think I'm taking it off and returning it
@@JDMRightHandDrive that's what I read hoping for. I don't even care if it's not faster, as long as it was the same. And it's lagging. The only thing I can think of, maybe it's cause I don't have any sorta exhaust? It's all stock minus the intake. I thought maybe I installed the MAF sensor backwards but you couldn't if you tried.
Boost leak? I installed my Perrin intake & charge pipe and drove it for a lil while and it felt great on the stock tune- then when I uploaded my tune it was a LOT faster
You would have to spend big money on a stand alone ECU to tune for a catless downpipe which is technically only for off road use aka race cars (North America). You would otherwise be driving in limp mode. Cobb and EcuTek can no longer shut off check engine codes that relate to factory emission devices. This change happened in April 2022 for Cobb and April 2023 for Ecutek. These include Catalytic converters, TGV's and air pump among the most popular items. Most high flow cats are throwing check engine lights now and the ones that do work are expensive and even then, still hit and miss.
The problem with Subaru's IMO is "stage 1" should be a built motor and fuel system. No disrespect meant but I've personally been involved with 2 STi's that $h!t the bed with extremely limited modifications.
Pro tip: Research your mods, purchase as many as you can, and then tune. If you buy your intake, tune, and then a couple months later get a new turbo back, tune, and then a few months later you get a top mount, tune, you had to pay for 3 tunes or more. That adds up fast. It is best to bundle all mods into one. It saves money and time.
How much do pro tunes usually cost?
@@zorouzh around $200 depending where you go.
$300-400 depending if tunning for 2 different fuels or just one fuel I'm doing E85 + 93 CT Tunning Tune via Import Image Racing@@zorouzh
i waited two years and did my research before i modded my 18 wrx and did all the bolt ons and the tune at a shop in a weekend. very good advice. that being said the VA's are much more expensive than the VB's are to mod. an intake alone makes just about the power mine did with much more parts on 93.
700ish @@zorouzh
finally some words from an actual professional regarding the perrin intake
I think this just proves how easy power gains are with a FA block. 400tq from a intake tune is ridiculous for those who don't know
@@christopher-gardner the rumble is still there, the rumble comes from Un equal length headers which are actually a big reason why the ej was unreliable. Unequal length headers create negative pressure in cylinder 4 which in turn causes ringland and head gasket issues. The FA20 and FA24 have equal length headers which create equal flow of games which gives you better performance and reliability. If you want the rumble on a FA block your a UELH away from it.
He also has a catback on
@@christopher-gardnerThe rumble is definitely still there on the new WRX. I have one and it's so loud on cold starts, stock lol
EJ bois punching the air rn
Catback has little to no effect, your biggest restriction on modern cars is the cat, esp on stock hardware@@renodelossantos7089
Awesome video Foster, lots of helpful data on this. Perrin just release the turbo inlet for their intake. I am curious of that will make a difference. I will be installing the new Perrin inlet on my channel this week.
Really weird haven’t seen their inlet just iet
So Perrin with stock is the way to go. This is valuable data. Thank you!
always tune for the changed airflow
@@growingup4487 but perrin doesnt add more air its suppose to be made for stock? no? idk
@@SpecOpsDad he's wrong. You're fine with your stock tune.
Could you do a similar video with all the exhaust systems that you offer? I know the differences would most likely be minimal in terms of power but it would be nice to help decide what cat back to purchase.
Great video, glad to see more research and testing on this new platform
If you want to be safe with intakes, follow the Perrin structions.
And if you want to go fast put some corn on the Cobb
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this is it right here. good content, you learn a thing or two and get to see products at work & how they perform as well as the best application for each brand.
Please do this with a cvt! Some of us like myself just want to do an intake and exhaust just for some good sound and minor performance increases without having to tune it so we can be safe without pushing the Trans too much but also having a little fun!
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Mishimoto intake? I know it's brand new, but they did extensive testing on a dyno to make sure AFR stayed like stock.
Yet it still needs a tune. Everyone running any intake without a tune deserves to have their engine blow.
@@ranran2218 who hurt you
@@ranran2218 deserves? Why are you dumb?
@Purple the intake on his last car, probably.
They not very good. Had one, disappointed
So happy to see this video! Was debating myself
The FA24 is a different beast from the FA20. FA20s had pretty much zero gains with Cobb intakes unless you added other upgrades like a FMIC, EBCS, charge pipe etc
This may sound silly but can we do a test on drop in filter tests? Just curious if it's even worth
I'd like that too. My last car only needed a drop in filter. The stock airbox was efficient enough, that you didn't need an aftermarket intake. But that doesn't make companies money now does it...
Doesn’t do anything.. the stock air box is the most restrictive part on this engine.
@@pharmztko Exactly, they just proved that in this video.
Damn these new WRX's really making this much power/torque?!
They do! The FA24 is no joke. Though the tranny is the first weak point(I have an sti trans lined up for mine) and then at 450whp they are finding the stock head bolts start to stretch.
It would be more honest to do a stock airbox with a tune and then compare these intakes with a tune
Really appreciate the discipline and rigor here folks, thanks!
Awesome and very interesting video. Sadly it seems the torque curve isn't as flat compared to stock, I wonder how dramatic that would feel when driving the car?
Suggestion for a follow-up video. Lots of people want to remove the carbon trap and use a high flow pannel drop in filter in place of the OEM filter. Could you do a similar test for that OEM+ intake? I do not want to tune my car and I'd like to see actual data showing that this OEM+ mod won't lean out the AFM and be dangerous for the engine.
When Graham talks I listen. Always great info from you guys vids!
The question isn't which intake is the most powerful but which intake is the most reliable to run on your wrx.
perrin is safest without a tune. if you have a good pro-tune then they're all reliable. DO NOT RUN A COBB OTS TUNE WITH A INTAKE you need a pro/E-tune
@MooseTvGaming even without a tune it still had parts where it would be lean then rich. I'd never suggest an intake without a tune. Be smart and just get a tune.
But that answer that in the video.
@@gaivoron my post was arguing the title of the video. Power doesn't matter. Reliability should be what's important.
@@ranran2218 true
I am running the ETS with sleeve on stock tune at 18k miles and its running great, I watch AFR on obd2 port and they were great as well. Someone else did the same thing and had terrible numbers. Guess I lucked out. UPDATE: I looked at LTFT and it was all over the place, +- 17% and even higher sometimes, so I got a protune with Clark Turner. HIGHLY recommend.
I just installed my ETS intake, can I know which OBD tool you are using to monitor the AFR?
@@joshwakawaka7409 any obd2 sensor on amazon, and I used torque pro app. Correction, it adds up to 17% fuel, so for an update, I got a pro tune I did not feel safe, the fuel trim was all over the place to correct the AFR.
ETS stage 3 package is the way to go if u plan on getting a pro tune. U looking to spend 1k or more for your pro tune, Make your dyno day worth every penny . ETS FMIC, ETS Intake, ETS exhaust, coobs access port. Additional J pipe.
please do more of these this was awesome!
*Wait, you're making almost +100whp over stock from just an intake mod??*
Yes haha. It’s insane. Graham tuned my car with a BMS intake and some ethanol. Ram my best friend who was still stock and put trains on the car. The FA24 is a monster with minimal effort.
I hate to say it already with it being such a recent video...but you have to add the Mishimoto to this competition. They seem to have put a lot of brain power into it and it looks beautiful I am guessing it will be somewhere above the perrin but below the aem....but without you we will never know!
Apparently you don’t need to tune for Mishimoto. So it probably sucks lol
@@mikejmahon28 false claims. all intakes should use a tune. 100% the Mishimoto will run lean, especially at higher RPMs.
@@716Flat4 I’m an “elitist” for saying you should tune your car for the parts on it 😂😂. Liberals these days
@@mikejmahon28are you a liberal?
Loved this! I’m moving onto power mods after doing some aesthetic ones.
Really want more acceleration and power for my daily driver 22 wrx sport tech. Was going to get ETS intake this has persuaded me to get AME
Great video guys!
What this video shows is how badass VBs are 😎
I've had mine 23 WRX for about 3 weeks now. I think I'll wait before getting an Intake system.
Mishimoto is the best intake! got mine tuned by graham on mishimoto intake !
VB wrx? I’m thinking about going with the mishimoto, how much power are you making?
I don’t know about this generation but my 2014 WOULD NOT boost with a Cobb intake til I got a tune. So I guess the answer is whose got the better tune.
what wheels are you running? I love them, would like to get for my WRB VB
What were the boost numbers you were getting from each?
Thanks for this illustrative video! I have a question, if I understood well, when I want only to increase power but don't do any tunning stage, is the option the Perrin Intake? Thanks a lot for your time :D
this video is worth gold!!!
I’m confused, you talk about open loop, but then you talk about adjusting the MAF to not “lean on the corrections” does the FA24 have full time closed loop? There were several contradictory things said in this video.
What size wheels and offset are on that car? Tire size also ?
You would probably see some good gains if you ran the dyno a couple of times so it can correct the air and fuel ratio and learn the new part you installed
AEM always wins 🔥🔥🔥
Pretty wild that this car makes the same power with an intake tune as a TLX Type S.
Would you guys do a top mount inter cooler comparison, or is it not really worth it?
I hope you guys do this for the VA chassis and Grimmspeed intake.
Great video! Can you do intercoolers next!
I’m sorry i haven’t been following the full build. does anybody know what all else is done to it? ain’t no way it’s making 300whp and 400 tq from just an intake lol
In the vid they said Top Mount and catback but those aren't really give much gains so that's pretty much all intake. With a stock top mount I'd imagine that heatsoak would be more of an issue when you are givin it the beans tho lol
I would love to see power gains with the mishimoto intake
Same I am waiting for more Mishimoto dyno comparisons
Can you guys test the Mishimoto intake please?
What wheels are those? Love the look and I have the same color car.
They look like WORK Emotion ZR10 bronze imo.
That’s crazy HP with only an intake and a tune.
Not doing the Mishimoto?
This was probably filmed before it was publicly available, I was looking forward to it being in this video but no dice.
this would have been better with a stock intake compared as well
Should you run the ETS intake with or without the sleeve for max power? Assuming you’re tuned
If your tuner calibrated for the maf sensor housing then without. More air-more power
Without
So stock tune with a cat back and perrin intake gets you 23 hp??? That ain't bad.
proof stock, minus the carbon filter, is just as good...how much more filter surface area do these aftermarket intakes have over the stock intake surface area??
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Bro 405 tq 😭😭😭
Would you say the Perrin intake is safe to use on the CVT Models of the VB WRX without a tune?
I have the GT wondering the same thing?
I'm late to the party. The Perrin is ok to use without a tune because the inside diameter of the MAF housing is supposed to be the same as OEM. IDK about any other aftermarket intakes using the same diameter housing/tube
@@davidciliberti1148ok to use means nothing will go wrong?
lowering springs? ride height is perfect.
So stock tune AEM or Perrin? For the moment I just want to do an intake.
Is a breakdown of the numbers available?
Remove charcoal filter and add a drop in K&N and you’re fine.
Great video.
Awesome video! Just to confirm, the Perrin might be best for someone looking for moderate and safe power gains. And it would be good with a Cobb tune? Or would it need a custom tune? I have a 22 6-speed and I love it.
a custom tune would always be beneficial for safety and horsepower gains but the OTS tune and perrin intake has been proven to be safe.
The cobb tune is intended for STOCK cars only. A few people have blown their cars from running the cobb tune with an intake. I would recommend a custom tune for the intake
@jonnyftw1441 Perrin literally has a statement that their testing and calibrations included OTS tunes for the CobbAP on their purchase page.
If you're nervous, talk to your tuner. If not, these guys have the dynos to prove the minimal risk running these on a stock tune. They also have a statement saying the same testing was performed on all OTS tunes on the CobbAP. No one is is going to hold your hand and tell you everything is perfect, though. There's always risk involved.
Wow is that the one with the touring manual so you can cruz, then just drop it in 3rd on the free way then fly away?
Do you think if you had the Perrin Charge Pipe it would have made more power in the dyno??
I just installed my perrin intake. Supposedly needs no tune on my 2023 wrx. I've only had it on for about 1 day now. But I can't get over how it's lost it's bottom end power. My car's new, but I've driven it quite a bit. It's always pulled really hard and for a scare. All the way through. After I installed the intake I've lost all my bottom end, and it won't kick in until about 4,600 rpm. But by that time it's almost time to shift. I don't know that I'm keeping this intake on my car. I think I'm taking it off and returning it
That does not sound right. I have the Perrin on my car as well and it drives just like stock but car is noticeably faster now.
@@JDMRightHandDrive that's what I read hoping for. I don't even care if it's not faster, as long as it was the same. And it's lagging. The only thing I can think of, maybe it's cause I don't have any sorta exhaust? It's all stock minus the intake. I thought maybe I installed the MAF sensor backwards but you couldn't if you tried.
Boost leak? I installed my Perrin intake & charge pipe and drove it for a lil while and it felt great on the stock tune- then when I uploaded my tune it was a LOT faster
@@allstarvb how can I have a boost leak if I didn't mess with any of that. But honestly that's what it feels like. No Boost at low rpm what so ever.
sounds like a skill issue
Mmmm Subaru is loving all these voided warranties
Mishimoto has the best intake currently
Im thinking about going with mishimoto over AEM. Why do you think it’s better? There’s not a lot of vids or graphs showing power gains with tune
Any chance you can dyno a stock tune with ets and sleeve?
Where is this Boosted Performance dyno shop?
Are these corrected or uncorrected horsepower numbers?
Did you guys do a pro tune with the ets sleeve on too or with it off? I know that can drastically change the difference
The video briefly mentioned the sleeve was OFF the ETS intake the whole time.
What would you guys consider a good strong safe afr for the 2022 Wrx?
great video! more like this
Very cool video!
It would be interesting to see it with a catless downpipe
You would have to spend big money on a stand alone ECU to tune for a catless downpipe which is technically only for off road use aka race cars (North America). You would otherwise be driving in limp mode. Cobb and EcuTek can no longer shut off check engine codes that relate to factory emission devices. This change happened in April 2022 for Cobb and April 2023 for Ecutek. These include Catalytic converters, TGV's and air pump among the most popular items. Most high flow cats are throwing check engine lights now and the ones that do work are expensive and even then, still hit and miss.
@@fabiomigotto that's really sad
Do you have a link to that front grille? @ 0:49
helluva vid. not getting an intake till i can tune then lol
How much did you pay for the tune
How about Pro West intake ?
What rims are on this? Ive tried to find them but I cant.
Will the jb4 work good with an ets intake?
Your rims look amazing what kind of rims are they
Yasss! Nice video!
No COBB ?
Perrin it is... while im still under warranty lol
Have you installed it and it’s running fine on stock tune?
@destructor1794 yes and yes
@@maverick8331how many miles/kms? And running fine?
@destructor1794 it's been on for roughly 2500 miles, runs fine so far.
No K&N?
Would this work well on the 2022 WRX CVT?
I’m trading my cvt in for the manual. I got a 22 limited cvt
Please change the BG music. Otherwise nice video.
Is this CARB legal?
what exhaust is that?
I'm surprised that there is a 2022 car cannot adjust AFR in real time.
Do you need a tune with the Cobb top Mount Inter cooler or is it safe on stock ECU ?
Very safe
BRZ intakesnext !
Would love to see a similar video for VA WRX!!
where r those rims from?
Apperiate this!
Pause at @6:00 - where can we get those carbon fiber door panels? looks amazing
you still have the stock charge pipe? lol
Danke schön
Ran the test with the bonnet open. How are you testing the intake at all?
The problem with Subaru's IMO is "stage 1" should be a built motor and fuel system. No disrespect meant but I've personally been involved with 2 STi's that $h!t the bed with extremely limited modifications.
Which one sounds the best??