He did betray Rob and killed Rickard Karstark, but at the very least he spared Bran and Rickon Stark. Theon is an asshole but I still think he’s been through way more than any human being can endure both mentally and psychologically and I think he’s realized his awful ways and is working to redeem himself.
Not even, I mean nothing he did seemed malicious imo. He only did what he did in Winterfell because he had something to prove to his father who saw him as a weak, spineless good-for-nothing. Correct me if I'm wrong, it's been awhile and I'm about to binge season 1-7 to get ready for 8 so my memory is foggy
gudbaijojo Yeah but like I said, he just did it because he felt like he had to. Does that justify murdering two children? No, of course it doesn't, but at the very least we know he isn't a monster who kills for fun, in fact if he knew Bran and Rickon went with Ned to Kings Landing then I'm pretty sure those two boys would be unharmed
@@andreagrazianodibenedetto1464 You know John Wick? The guy playing Theon also played one of the guys who are responsible for the death of his Dog in the first movie That's why he said he can't catch a break with all the jons
Illiteracy is nothing to do with spoken words. Speech is naturally learned from infancy, not from education. Illiteracy is the inability to read and write. You could have picked up an extensive vocabulary by ear but not be able to recognise the words that you know when they’re written down, simply because you’re too unfamiliar with the alphabet.
Something I love about the show over the books is how Theon is terrified of Jon Snow. That's why he never even considers going to the Wall. He's too scared Jon will murder him. It just makes so much sense, really. They both grew up with the Starks and Theon betrayed them while Jon stayed loyal to the very end.
@@supremedreams6789 Probably but his fear of Jon is not really there in the books for some reason. In book two he considers going to the Wall and really likes the idea but in the show he's terrified because he thinks Jon will try to kill him. Jon is also really cold in the books, often forgiving old enemies to keep them in check or manipulate them so I don't think he'd just hate Theon but we'd have to see.
Carlos Theon in the books wasn’t ever particularly scared of Jon though. If anything, Theon was probably insecure of the affection Robb might’ve showed more to Jon rather than himself because at the time, they were both competing for Robb’s affection. But despite a little jealousy, Theon was never scared of Jon and always use to make fun of him for being a bastard. Even after taking Winter fell he doesn’t fear him, why would he?
@@supremedreams6789 yeah you're right. maybe it's because Theon from the books is older than the show version. In the adaptation, he and Jon are the same age but in the books Theon is a bit older so it doesn't really add up that he'd be afraid of a kid.
Carlos Yeah. You also have to remember that in the books, Theon was no slouch in combat. He was an expert marksman that was shooting down ravens in mid-air and if I’m not mistaken, it was implied he was the better swordfighter than both Robb and Jon at the beginning of the story. In the show Theon was always pathetic even before he became reek for some reason.
@@GamerEpic27 i wouldve actually liked that more, jon going at theon for everyting he has done and then noticing a broken theon and then jon would feel symphatetic.
Yeah it does definitely come across that way but I genuinely think where Theon is on his arc (or where he's supposed to be anyway) is the Theon who doesn't fear death or anything else anymore, as in if Jon wanted to kill him there, so be it. But I think he had just started opening his mouth saying "Sansa... I was with her but I had to split ways with her. Is she alright? Have you seen her? Have you gone back to Winterfell yet?" etc etc etc. I don't think Theon is so interested in saving his own skin anymore as much as he's interested in reaching some sort of atonement for all the truly treacherous, evil things he DID do. He's far different now though than he's ever been before.
It's kind of funny how Jon just STARES at Theon until Theon is like 'Jon???' and even then he just stares silently. But I didn't want him to hurt him. Yes, Theon betrayed Robb but karma hit him like a freight train in the shape of Ramsay. He's paid for that betrayal a thousand times over already.
Many people died because of Theon and Robb lost a vital part of the war because of this betrayal. Theon saved Sansa and thats the only reason he didnt get killed here just like Jon said
Jonathon Richter do we care about those two children? Nope. The Hound, joffrey, ramsay, walder frey, and roose bolton ve done worse things than theon and you probably like them.
Hate to be that guy but, Theon OWED THE STARKS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. He was their HOSTAGE, not their brother, not their friend, not their father's ward, not a ally. Why should Theon GREYJOY, owe anything to a family that mistrusted and resented him all his adolescent? Jon was being a hypocritical little bitch as well, he hated Theon but he expects him to pick his captors over his family? Yeah this Theon is a Stark plot was complete horseshit but no one wants call it out since you guys love the Starks so much.
@@troyjohnson1186 And just like that Theon would have every right to kill the Starks and everyone at Winterfell going by your logic. Theon was his father's hostage not his adopted brother, not even his friend or acquaintance (they avoided each other and don't like each other whatsoever). Also depending on what right your going by, because it's definitely not because he 'betrayed the Starks' or sone bullshit like that. Jon never liked Theon and knew that no one actually saw him as a Stark, so for him to feel that Theon should have picked his captors over his family and birthright is clearly some shitty writing whether you like it or not. Jon in this scene is acting just like Theon at Winterfell, like he Theon, he also had a choice, and just like Theon he chose to be self indulgent and cruel.
I was wondering why Jon was overreacting with Theon but I’ve just rewatched the first 3 seasons again and now I’m wondering why Jon didn’t gut him right there.
As Jon says what Theon did for Sansa is the reason why he's still alive otherwise I'm sure Jon would either beat him to death or put his foot on his head and drown him
Ned and Robb would both have executed Theon for killing the two farm boys. Ned in particular felt that as lord he had a paternal responsibility for all northerners. Jon might have felt compelled to do the same if this meeting had taken place in Winterfell during peacetime.
@@Gonzolicious nope, Jon was born at the end of the war, Robb was born halfway through, aka 9 months after Ned and Cat's wedding which was at the beginning
Theon's story plot and character development was my favourite tbh..first we love him for being a loyal to starks, then we suddenly start to hate him for betraying, but he faces his consequences, got tortured in unimaginable way so we felt bad for him, and won our heart again when he helped rescuing Sansa. Finally he reunited with the starks and died protecting the kid he once tried to kill.
Hate to be that guy but, Theon OWED THE STARKS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. He was their HOSTAGE, not their brother, not their friend, not their father's ward, not a ally. Why should Theon GREYJOY, owe anything to a family that mistrusted and resented him all his adolescent? Jon was being a hypocritical little bitch as well, he hated Theon but he expects him to pick his captors over his family? Yeah this Theon is a Stark plot was complete horseshit but no one wants call it out since you guys love the Starks so much.
and his death was such a tragic one. His death was like he reading a book....in which he already knew that he gonna die when the audience read the second lin😔
For me, nothing beats Jaime's story (except for the shitty final season. They literally flipped a coin and decided to throw away everything that happened since he lost his hand)
@@robinsoncruise2228 he really didnt owe them anything to be honest, yes they raised him but that wasnt his choice, he was turning a blind eye to his real family treating him like shit because he wanted acceptance he never really owed the stark anything since they stole him away in the first place.
Jon - "10,000 or less?" Ser Davos - "Fewer" The callback to Stannis here is excellent. The fact that Ser Davos absorbed Stannis' lessons, no matter how small, shows how good of a right hand Ser Davos is and how excellent of a leader King Stannis had been.
Until Stannis allowed Melisandre to convince him to sacrifice his own daughter and in the end what did it get him, his entire army eradicated & Brienne's sword to his neck!!!
I love Jon’s subtle “it doesn’t matter” because it shows why he would be a better ruler than Dany because he does not really care about titles and crap.
People joke about Dany's titles, but all the rulers get a parade of titles when they're announced, not just Dany. She has a few more than most because she's actually earned them over the course of the story in addition to the ones she inherited. Book Jon is a bit more erudite than Show Jon, so I'm not sure how likely it is he'd skip the formalities. But he has more of a reason to get straight down to business than Dany.
Stannis would have been a good king and he "cared about titles and crap." Dany was a good queen until writers made her bad to appease insecure boys with hurt egos.
The pride in what she says as she says it, “she is a queen we chose” that’s what makes her scene and “Dracarys” all the more powerful. There was SO MUCH trust and respect between Dany and Missandei that in her final hour Missandei knew Dany would avenge her to the fullest with just one word from her lips.
The problem is the north didn’t choose her. Maybe for her Danys is a Queen she choose but she should recognize that Danys isn’t giving that freedom or choice to other people.
"Please don't be rude to him" "Please don't be rude to him" (watching this scene years later when Jon is rushing to Theon and he is a decent person now)
In the books it was clear what their relationships and dynamics were like, Robb was the only one of out of all the stark children who had a good relationship with all his brothers and sisters, he was loved by all his siblings including Theon and was the only stark who truly treated Theon like family and like a brother. Theon hated Jon and Jon disliked Theon, it wasnt the 3 amigos. Theon and Jon would often fight in a sense for Robb's affection. Theon despised Jon because Jon was actually Robb's REAL blood brother and he would often make fun of Jon for being a bastard because of it. Theon even had a dream that he married Sansa just so that he would be Robb's brother by marriage.
I like the tension built in this scene. This is the first time Theon’s seen Jon in awhile and Theon’s understandably scared and Jon still has a bit of hate for what he did especially since with what happened to Robb.
@@muchanadziko6378 I say that because I dunno how long in universe it’s been for them. As far as I know it could be anywhere from 1-15 years for all we know as they never exactly confirm how long it’s been for them.
@@saptarshidas8100 the sad thing is that's probably gonna happen in the books too. It's heavily implied that her grayskin isn't healed just dormant, and a jester that they have, who is actually prophetic has made jokes that are basically talking about a outbreak damaging Stannis army. Stannis doesn't really even want to be king, he feels that it's his duty, and he does not bend. He will do literally anything for it
Hate to be that guy but, Theon OWED THE STARKS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. He was their HOSTAGE, not their brother, not their friend, not their father's ward, not a ally. Why should Theon GREYJOY, owe anything to a family that mistrusted and resented him all his adolescent? Jon was being a hypocritical little bitch as well, he hated Theon but he expects him to pick his captors over his family? Yeah this Theon is a Stark plot was complete horseshit but no one wants call it out since you guys love the Starks so much.
Jon also has excellent eyesight, demonstrated many times. Edit: I was trying to say i agree, and add another shade of development. It’s a great detail all around. Not sure if that came across
I hate how people are so quick to judge Theon. I know what he did was very wrong but he has reasons. His own father didn't accept him, he was forced to make a choice between his blood (Greyjoys) and family (Starks). And not to forget, he was not more than 18 years of age. He made a mistake and he paid a huge price for it!
You can't expect Jon to know how much Theon has paid though. He might know Theon was held captive sure, but not what happened during that time. I'm eager for their reunion in the books. In the books even when Reek starts identifying himself as Theon again and openly defying Ramsay, he's still outwardly mentally fucked. Asha (Yara in the show) was talking to him for like half a minute and she seems to be trying to hold off the urge to cry. And in the books Theon has lost fingers and toes which Jon would likely notice given the way he walks and looking at his hands. It will be obvious immediately to Jon in the books that Theon has suffered, but here's what I wonder. Will resurrected Jon care? Because Berick Dondarrion and Lady Stoneheart both show that when the Lord of Light resurrects someone, not all of them comes back. I wonder how compassionate resurrected Jon will even be capable of being.
Night King hugged him.... with his own spear... in the gut! 'Beautiful and honorable death'.... Poor sod actually died for nothing but... ye. They also burned his body, which actually was unnecessairy with the Night King dead... They could have honored Theon with a place in the Crypts, literally engraving Theon's honor in stone. idk.. settle a permanent relation with the Ironborn like that? ... i guess DND 'kinda forgot that...'
Lmao pretty sure that was in the original script, dumb and dumber thought that Davos falling inlove with Missandei was a good idea somehow, the actor said fuck that. thats too fucking weird, thats why Davos barely had any lines in season 8
Just try and imagine what's going through Theon's head when he sees Jon here. GRRM makes it point to tell us how Jon looks more like a Stark than any of Catelyn's children (except Arya), and now that he's King in the North...and wearing that Stark breastplate...jeez, he probably feels like he's staring into the eyes of Ned Stark's ghost. He doesn't handle it too bad though...
I liked the little callback to Stannis, when Davos corrects Jon by saying "fewer", like how Stannis corrected him with "fewer" when Davos said he had "four less fingernails to clean".
when ser davos says.. forgive me if switch sides, because missandei said her queen is the queen they all chose because they believe in her I was like: this should sound familiar... its basically the same that happened when jon became king in the north
That little moment between Jon, Davos, and Missendi hit me different just now. How both sides "voted" for their new King/Queen despite them for two different reasons. One was a ruler of former slaves, the other is a person that wants a world to survive. One portrays themselves as a kind figure but has three terrifying beasts behind her, and the other is a colder individual with a kind heart.
2:59 when the McDonald's worker meets a guy in a Ferrari in the drive through and realises he is the guy he bullied in secondary school and put him in hospital because he was a nerd.
Jon and Davos having this talk alone with Missandei is an important scene... Here they learn more about Dany and what bands she has with her followers. She is their queen by their choice, not by some old legend from abroads. The funny is; Jons rule is essentially similiar... He is chosen time after time...
even though he betrayed the starks, he was raised without his biological parents, he hasn't learned loyalty and his father is rude and is always pushing him to his limits with yara to add fuel to the fire. He was often depressed and just wanted to become a true greyjoy
Oh poor boy. He bretayed his best friend and cause the death of thousands of people with that, he conqueror the house of the only people who care about him, he killed to cold blood Ser Rodrick and Maestre Luwin, he murdered and burn two children but is ok, everything is ok, because daddy didn't love him enough.
@AK Jay if he wanted to be leader he wouldnt listen to Dagmer because that challenges his authority and this is one of the reasons why Ironborn betrayed him
Hate to be that guy but, Theon OWED THE STARKS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. He was their HOSTAGE, not their brother, not their friend, not their father's ward, not a ally. Why should Theon GREYJOY, owe anything to a family that mistrusted and resented him all his adolescent? Jon was being a hypocritical little bitch as well, he hated Theon but he expects him to pick his captors over his family? Yeah this Theon is a Stark plot was complete horseshit but no one wants call it out since you guys love the Starks so much.
If only Dave was as mad at Tyrion as Jon is at Theon I'd like this a whole lot more, he even looks at them like, "hmmm this reminds of something I should feel, I just can't remember what it is" DAMN YOU AMNESIA WATER!!!
@@RedLaneArts I didn't like him at first because how he betrayed the Starks was horrible but after him getting completely tortured and brainwashed by Ramsay I felt bad for him .
He literally had two kids killed and burned. Then he took over Winterfell after already betraying the Starks. Then he personally beheaded the stark's master-at-arms, Sir Rodgry, the same guy who taught him how to use a sword. Him having is dick cut off wasn't enough. Just because he learned his lessons the hard way doesn't make him redeemable. It would've been pretty awesome to see Jon plunge his dagger into Theon's heart right there. Him saving Sansa isn't enough for having children and his sword instructor killed.
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King Snow sounds like a brand of cocaine
@Đoàn Anh Thư NGUYỄN And stolen.
lmfao i died laughing. Fuck fishscale, imma start selling king snow lol
I love how blatant that sounds.
I'm sorry, I can't stop laughing at this. I'm crying....
OMG😂😂
Upon watching this I was like
"why is Jon mad at Theon again?" After a couple of minutes
"oh yea, all that stuff he did..."
I kinda like Theon more than most at this point. He's just a victim of circumstance and has a ton of daddy issues.
He did betray Rob and killed Rickard Karstark, but at the very least he spared Bran and Rickon Stark. Theon is an asshole but I still think he’s been through way more than any human being can endure both mentally and psychologically and I think he’s realized his awful ways and is working to redeem himself.
Not even, I mean nothing he did seemed malicious imo. He only did what he did in Winterfell because he had something to prove to his father who saw him as a weak, spineless good-for-nothing. Correct me if I'm wrong, it's been awhile and I'm about to binge season 1-7 to get ready for 8 so my memory is foggy
gudbaijojo Yeah but like I said, he just did it because he felt like he had to. Does that justify murdering two children? No, of course it doesn't, but at the very least we know he isn't a monster who kills for fun, in fact if he knew Bran and Rickon went with Ned to Kings Landing then I'm pretty sure those two boys would be unharmed
SEaster IslanderS Robb killed Richard Karstark. Theon killed Ser Rodrick
I swear Theon can't catch a break with all the John's
Your comment was posted a year ago and it amazes me how it doesn't have more likes😂
@@mozes6305 don't get it. How many Jons were there?
@@andreagrazianodibenedetto1464 You know John Wick? The guy playing Theon also played one of the guys who are responsible for the death of his Dog in the first movie
That's why he said he can't catch a break with all the jons
and snows
Especially since he lost his
Jon: what you did for her, its the only reason I'm not killing you.
Theon: ...
Jon: and because I don't have my sword
Pretty sure he'd be fine beating him to death.
Jon doesn't need a sword to beat a mother fucker to death. Just ask Ramsay.
He could easily punch him to death.
After what Jon did to Ramsay I doubt he'd need his sword
Jon Ericson Ramsey approves 👊🏽💥😂
Theon: Jon is that you bruh? Long time no see.
Almost 10 years and everybody still call Jon of John.
Dude theon probably shit himself when jon started walking up to him
(beyotch slaps the dickless)
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Did anyone else notice that Davos, the illiterate, seems to speak more properly than anyone else in the situation?
Well, he's not illiterate anymore. Shireen taught him how to read and write. At the very least, the basics of it.
Chris Looney Stannis influence
Illiteracy is nothing to do with spoken words. Speech is naturally learned from infancy, not from education. Illiteracy is the inability to read and write. You could have picked up an extensive vocabulary by ear but not be able to recognise the words that you know when they’re written down, simply because you’re too unfamiliar with the alphabet.
By this point in the show, Ser Davos is actually quite educated.
Chris Looney that stannis education innit
Something I love about the show over the books is how Theon is terrified of Jon Snow. That's why he never even considers going to the Wall. He's too scared Jon will murder him. It just makes so much sense, really. They both grew up with the Starks and Theon betrayed them while Jon stayed loyal to the very end.
Carlos Theon hasn’t met Jon post-reek yet in the books. He’d probably be scared of him now though due to the immense regret of the things he’s done.
@@supremedreams6789 Probably but his fear of Jon is not really there in the books for some reason. In book two he considers going to the Wall and really likes the idea but in the show he's terrified because he thinks Jon will try to kill him.
Jon is also really cold in the books, often forgiving old enemies to keep them in check or manipulate them so I don't think he'd just hate Theon but we'd have to see.
Carlos Theon in the books wasn’t ever particularly scared of Jon though. If anything, Theon was probably insecure of the affection Robb might’ve showed more to Jon rather than himself because at the time, they were both competing for Robb’s affection. But despite a little jealousy, Theon was never scared of Jon and always use to make fun of him for being a bastard. Even after taking Winter fell he doesn’t fear him, why would he?
@@supremedreams6789 yeah you're right. maybe it's because Theon from the books is older than the show version. In the adaptation, he and Jon are the same age but in the books Theon is a bit older so it doesn't really add up that he'd be afraid of a kid.
Carlos Yeah. You also have to remember that in the books, Theon was no slouch in combat. He was an expert marksman that was shooting down ravens in mid-air and if I’m not mistaken, it was implied he was the better swordfighter than both Robb and Jon at the beginning of the story. In the show Theon was always pathetic even before he became reek for some reason.
Was I the only one that expected for Jon to punch Theon?
Red Warden 19 Oh yeah, you’re not the only one. A punch in the face to be exact.
One? I was expecting a ramsey beating 2.0
I thought that jon would go straight up to him and punch Theon square on the face
*Jon punches Theon in the face, triggers flashback*
Theon: No please! Reek loyal! Reek listens!
@@GamerEpic27 i wouldve actually liked that more, jon going at theon for everyting he has done and then noticing a broken theon and then jon would feel symphatetic.
Theon is sure to mention Sansa to remind Jon Snow of something good that he did and save his own ass. Nice bit of writing.
Yeah it does definitely come across that way but I genuinely think where Theon is on his arc (or where he's supposed to be anyway) is the Theon who doesn't fear death or anything else anymore, as in if Jon wanted to kill him there, so be it. But I think he had just started opening his mouth saying "Sansa... I was with her but I had to split ways with her. Is she alright? Have you seen her? Have you gone back to Winterfell yet?" etc etc etc. I don't think Theon is so interested in saving his own skin anymore as much as he's interested in reaching some sort of atonement for all the truly treacherous, evil things he DID do. He's far different now though than he's ever been before.
He didn't mention that to save himself. Later on in the episode he talks with Jon about everything he's done. He genuinely cares about Sansa
I think Theon truly wanted to know Sansa is ok.
Well at the time, it was his only saving grace, and he’s bloody lucky it was enough to keep Jon from killing him.
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0:13 "i noticed you staring at her good heart" LOL
0:32 "SPEAKING OF GOOD HEARTS!!" XD
Low key "Missandei has a nice rack" Ha! Fuckin' love it xD
Break out the fermented crab
Davos busting Jon's balls is a whole ass mood tbh. Miss their interactions so much
Wait until the Luke and Leia moment hits.
huge hearts
It's kind of funny how Jon just STARES at Theon until Theon is like 'Jon???' and even then he just stares silently. But I didn't want him to hurt him. Yes, Theon betrayed Robb but karma hit him like a freight train in the shape of Ramsay. He's paid for that betrayal a thousand times over already.
No amount of torture pays back the killing of two innocent children.
Jonathon Richter He got tortured for years and now he will never fuck again dude you know nothing dumbass
Another 8 year old online throwing insults for no reason...
Many people died because of Theon and Robb lost a vital part of the war because of this betrayal. Theon saved Sansa and thats the only reason he didnt get killed here just like Jon said
Jonathon Richter do we care about those two children? Nope. The Hound, joffrey, ramsay, walder frey, and roose bolton ve done worse things than theon and you probably like them.
I felt really bad for theon in this scene he's already a broken man ashamed of his actions he doesn't even resist when Jon grabs him
He even whimpers a bit
Hate to be that guy but, Theon OWED THE STARKS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. He was their HOSTAGE, not their brother, not their friend, not their father's ward, not a ally. Why should Theon GREYJOY, owe anything to a family that mistrusted and resented him all his adolescent? Jon was being a hypocritical little bitch as well, he hated Theon but he expects him to pick his captors over his family? Yeah this Theon is a Stark plot was complete horseshit but no one wants call it out since you guys love the Starks so much.
He can’t. Jon would have every right t kill him where he stood. Gladly he didn’t tho.
@@augustusfreeman4032 good point actually never saw it that way but you are right.
@@troyjohnson1186 And just like that Theon would have every right to kill the Starks and everyone at Winterfell going by your logic. Theon was his father's hostage not his adopted brother, not even his friend or acquaintance (they avoided each other and don't like each other whatsoever).
Also depending on what right your going by, because it's definitely not because he 'betrayed the Starks' or sone bullshit like that. Jon never liked Theon and knew that no one actually saw him as a Stark, so for him to feel that Theon should have picked his captors over his family and birthright is clearly some shitty writing whether you like it or not.
Jon in this scene is acting just like Theon at Winterfell, like he Theon, he also had a choice, and just like Theon he chose to be self indulgent and cruel.
I was wondering why Jon was overreacting with Theon but I’ve just rewatched the first 3 seasons again and now I’m wondering why Jon didn’t gut him right there.
mcsuchnsuch no sword
Plus he kinda knows what Theon went through, and he didn't kill his brothers.
As Jon says what Theon did for Sansa is the reason why he's still alive otherwise I'm sure Jon would either beat him to death or put his foot on his head and drown him
Ned and Robb would both have executed Theon for killing the two farm boys. Ned in particular felt that as lord he had a paternal responsibility for all northerners. Jon might have felt compelled to do the same if this meeting had taken place in Winterfell during peacetime.
AK Jay But Robb is dead
The moment Jon grabs Theon was the moment I realized he has grown so much and has become stronger but he still lost the older brother he looked up to
He never looked up to Theon
@@hackett152332 Pretty sure he meant Robb
I think Jon is older than Rob
@@Gonzolicious nope, Jon was born at the end of the war, Robb was born halfway through, aka 9 months after Ned and Cat's wedding which was at the beginning
@@jakewilliams2497 thank you
Theon's story plot and character development was my favourite tbh..first we love him for being a loyal to starks, then we suddenly start to hate him for betraying, but he faces his consequences, got tortured in unimaginable way so we felt bad for him, and won our heart again when he helped rescuing Sansa. Finally he reunited with the starks and died protecting the kid he once tried to kill.
Hate to be that guy but, Theon OWED THE STARKS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. He was their HOSTAGE, not their brother, not their friend, not their father's ward, not a ally. Why should Theon GREYJOY, owe anything to a family that mistrusted and resented him all his adolescent? Jon was being a hypocritical little bitch as well, he hated Theon but he expects him to pick his captors over his family? Yeah this Theon is a Stark plot was complete horseshit but no one wants call it out since you guys love the Starks so much.
i agree. his character development is my favourite.
You forgot him pushing Miranda
@@causingsquid4324 they didn’t forget that since killing myranda was how Theon helped Sansa escape
Also he died seconds before season 8 became iredimable
0:30 Fewer
Stannis thought him well.
Venser taught*
hahahaha
*taught, you stupid bitch
darkspd31
Your response is ridiculous, you fucking dumbass. Fuck you.
See how it feels?
Stannis *taught* him well but your teacher didn't
Theon has actually become one of my favourite characters
Shanoriya Robinson oof
Shanoriya Robinson rip
Tough
Still, he deserved, what he got
Me too
Theons transformation was by far the most touching in this story.
To lose his dick change a man
and his death was such a tragic one. His death was like he reading a book....in which he already knew that he gonna die when the audience read the second lin😔
For me, nothing beats Jaime's story (except for the shitty final season. They literally flipped a coin and decided to throw away everything that happened since he lost his hand)
Not the middle of it tho
stannis reference ......... I love it
when he corrects his grammar that's what stannis does
“Fewer”
Nice catch.
Missandei: We don't have marriage or bastards where I come from.
Ser Davos: That sounds . . . liberating.
LOL. LOL. LOL.
Gotta love the guy's humor!
And then he straight up trolls Jon, I love it.
Not marrying is kinda stupid proposal, marriages developed all over the world seperatly , without contact.
"sounds liberating"... political-correct term for 'Fuck-yeah!'
Jon : she has a good heart
Davos : a good heart? I've noticed you have been staring at her good heart.
You beauty davos😂
Ye
Lol why does Davos always look confused
A lot of Westeros cocaine.
Best actor in GoT
because he is but a lowly crabber's son?
now that you say it, its pretty funny. I wont look at him the same again.
To confuse the enemy into underestimatin' him
Lmfao Davos grammar Nazi'd Jon just like Stannis did with him. 😂
Dadvos finally learned the ways of the grammar Nazi.
We began disgusted with Theon, then hating him, then feeling sorry for him, then rooting for him, then loving him
Lol, this arc was terrible, Theon didn't owe the Starks anything.
@@augustusfreeman4032 try harder bud one day u will convince yourself of that
@@robinsoncruise2228 he really didnt owe them anything to be honest, yes they raised him but that wasnt his choice, he was turning a blind eye to his real family treating him like shit because he wanted acceptance he never really owed the stark anything since they stole him away in the first place.
@@augustusfreeman4032 His arc was most emotional on story and Alfie was maybe best younger actor on this series. He played his part just right
So basically Jamie Lannister
Jon Snow: 10 thousand men or less..
Ser Davos: Fewer.
Ghost of Stannis Baratheon: *beams with pride*
0:30
The Stannis is strong with this one
can someone please explain? i dont get it
hello world Stannis used to correct Davis grammar
Davis did the same thing that Stannis once did to him, correct other person's grammar.
Jon - "10,000 or less?"
Ser Davos - "Fewer"
The callback to Stannis here is excellent. The fact that Ser Davos absorbed Stannis' lessons, no matter how small, shows how good of a right hand Ser Davos is and how excellent of a leader King Stannis had been.
It really annoys me when people say Dany is a better ruler than Stannish tbh
Jon’s reaction when davos says fewer
Until Stannis allowed Melisandre to convince him to sacrifice his own daughter and in the end what did it get him, his entire army eradicated & Brienne's sword to his neck!!!
No king can be a better one than the rightful king Stannis
@@ashleyyr0se Yeah without George's books to guide them, clueless Dan & Dave are like 2 lost little kids desperately looking for their parents!!!
I bet when Jon said “is that a Greyjoy ship” Davos was thinking “oh Jon is going to murder some poor bastard”
Theon look very scared to see jon
Dirga Akbar Well Theon did betray Jon's brothers
After what ramsay did to him i dont think hes scared of many things but its just the idea that he betrayed rob h could look jon in the eyes after that
Dirga Akbar That's because he was scared.
Well I mean, Jon is King of the North and Theon's betrayal played a great roll in all the crap that went down up north.
Dirga Akbar More ashamed than scared.
I love Jon’s subtle “it doesn’t matter” because it shows why he would be a better ruler than Dany because he does not really care about titles and crap.
I think what Dany was planning to do was get all the little titles.
Then trade them all in for the the big title.
@@matwatson7947 she raised some charizards and set out to become the very best, to get the champion title in every region
People joke about Dany's titles, but all the rulers get a parade of titles when they're announced, not just Dany. She has a few more than most because she's actually earned them over the course of the story in addition to the ones she inherited. Book Jon is a bit more erudite than Show Jon, so I'm not sure how likely it is he'd skip the formalities. But he has more of a reason to get straight down to business than Dany.
Ye
Stannis would have been a good king and he "cared about titles and crap." Dany was a good queen until writers made her bad to appease insecure boys with hurt egos.
The pride in what she says as she says it, “she is a queen we chose” that’s what makes her scene and “Dracarys” all the more powerful. There was SO MUCH trust and respect between Dany and Missandei that in her final hour Missandei knew Dany would avenge her to the fullest with just one word from her lips.
I like the scene where they think they're about to die in the coliseum and they both hold hands.
The problem is the north didn’t choose her. Maybe for her Danys is a Queen she choose but she should recognize that Danys isn’t giving that freedom or choice to other people.
"Please don't be rude to him" "Please don't be rude to him" (watching this scene years later when Jon is rushing to Theon and he is a decent person now)
Kainaat Tahir same:)
I wish they did more episodes about the relationship between Robb and jon and theon in first season. It would be something else.
In the books it was clear what their relationships and dynamics were like, Robb was the only one of out of all the stark children who had a good relationship with all his brothers and sisters, he was loved by all his siblings including Theon and was the only stark who truly treated Theon like family and like a brother. Theon hated Jon and Jon disliked Theon, it wasnt the 3 amigos. Theon and Jon would often fight in a sense for Robb's affection. Theon despised Jon because Jon was actually Robb's REAL blood brother and he would often make fun of Jon for being a bastard because of it. Theon even had a dream that he married Sansa just so that he would be Robb's brother by marriage.
0:30 it's took until now for me to notice that Davos keeps correcting people on their bad grammar throughout the show lmao
Nah Stannis did. Out of loyalty and admiration Davos started doing the same after Stannis died
Theons body language is perfect for the trauma he's endured. Like a puppy who knows it's fucked up.
I came for Jon and Theon but I thoroughly enjoyed rewatching the prior conversations which I completely forgot!
I like the tension built in this scene. This is the first time Theon’s seen Jon in awhile and Theon’s understandably scared and Jon still has a bit of hate for what he did especially since with what happened to Robb.
"in a while"? It's the first time they see each other since the first episode of the show
@@muchanadziko6378 I say that because I dunno how long in universe it’s been for them. As far as I know it could be anywhere from 1-15 years for all we know as they never exactly confirm how long it’s been for them.
@@michaelnally2841 And even if it's less, characters not seeing each other for 6-7 seasons is an absurdly long time
@@muchanadziko6378 oh I’m aware I was just using it as an expression
Kit is a good actor you can see the struggle of thought in what to do with Theon
Kit pales in comparison to acting of Alfie Allen, many list him among best actors on this series.
@@AndyP998they all are completly diffrent characters
Its not about characters, is how you deliver and show different motions. Your age?@@joel5135
Theon has been punished enough for what he did.
For killing little children and burning their corpses?
@@hackett152332 In the world of GoT that's literally a daily activity.
@@drg8687 true lol
@@drg8687 and Theon got the worst out of almost everyone
Theon murdered a man for sassing him. He couldn’t even behead him in one stroke. Not really sure why everyone is simping for Theon.
Theon greyjoy nicely potrayed by the actor amazing acting
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You have to tell me why every piece of dialogue with Davos turns into a masterpiece 😂
Jon: How many men do we have? Ten thousand? Less?
Davos: Fewer
Stannis from heaven: *visible happiness*
Stannis from heaven?? Even after burning his own daughter alive??
@@saptarshidas8100 the sad thing is that's probably gonna happen in the books too. It's heavily implied that her grayskin isn't healed just dormant, and a jester that they have, who is actually prophetic has made jokes that are basically talking about a outbreak damaging Stannis army.
Stannis doesn't really even want to be king, he feels that it's his duty, and he does not bend. He will do literally anything for it
This was the 2nd best Stark reunion after Jon/Sansa. Arya and Brans reunions where lifeless.
"why did you leave your home?"
"i was stolen by slavers"
"oh, oops lol"
I liked how Bronn called Davos the "Master of fookin' Grammar" 🤣🤣
"What you did for her is the only reason I'm not killing you"
Ahh, the Starks!
thanks for putting the whole scene in the video, davos was always so fun to watch
Jon grabbed Theon because he knew that if he punched him, he wouldn't be able to stop.
Hate to be that guy but, Theon OWED THE STARKS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. He was their HOSTAGE, not their brother, not their friend, not their father's ward, not a ally. Why should Theon GREYJOY, owe anything to a family that mistrusted and resented him all his adolescent? Jon was being a hypocritical little bitch as well, he hated Theon but he expects him to pick his captors over his family? Yeah this Theon is a Stark plot was complete horseshit but no one wants call it out since you guys love the Starks so much.
Theon's response is just "Fancy meeting you here"
Big oh shit moment
Gotta admire that steadycam as they descend the stairs. Nice, smooth motion.
The fact that he KNEW it was a greyjoy ship from so far away
They did make the best and fastest ships
Might be the shape
Jon also has excellent eyesight, demonstrated many times.
Edit: I was trying to say i agree, and add another shade of development. It’s a great detail all around. Not sure if that came across
Might be the huge sygil on the big sail?
I think it’s because Greyjoy ships look cool and unique, all black with a yellow kraken design
I hate how people are so quick to judge Theon. I know what he did was very wrong but he has reasons. His own father didn't accept him, he was forced to make a choice between his blood (Greyjoys) and family (Starks). And not to forget, he was not more than 18 years of age. He made a mistake and he paid a huge price for it!
old monk dude he let him live. Jon was definitely thinking.
Geoffrey Tappenden is your second name Baratheon??
Say the same for Sansa but everyone hates her..........
You can't expect Jon to know how much Theon has paid though. He might know Theon was held captive sure, but not what happened during that time. I'm eager for their reunion in the books. In the books even when Reek starts identifying himself as Theon again and openly defying Ramsay, he's still outwardly mentally fucked. Asha (Yara in the show) was talking to him for like half a minute and she seems to be trying to hold off the urge to cry. And in the books Theon has lost fingers and toes which Jon would likely notice given the way he walks and looking at his hands. It will be obvious immediately to Jon in the books that Theon has suffered, but here's what I wonder. Will resurrected Jon care? Because Berick Dondarrion and Lady Stoneheart both show that when the Lord of Light resurrects someone, not all of them comes back. I wonder how compassionate resurrected Jon will even be capable of being.
Yeah he made the wrong choice but I can sympathize with his reasons. Besides, Robb screwed himself when he broke his promise to Walder Frey.
I am biggest Theon grayjoy apologist. this man needs a hug and a hug and a hug.
Night King hugged him.... with his own spear... in the gut!
'Beautiful and honorable death'....
Poor sod actually died for nothing but... ye.
They also burned his body, which actually was unnecessairy with the Night King dead...
They could have honored Theon with a place in the Crypts, literally engraving Theon's honor in stone. idk.. settle a permanent relation with the Ironborn like that? ...
i guess DND 'kinda forgot that...'
@@thegreenreaper6660 I wouldn’t say for nothing, Theon slowed the night king down enough for Arya to get there and kill him
@@thegreenreaper6660 maybe they put his ashes in the crypt!
Dude really thought he was gonna suffer again
Ser Davos totally has a crush on Missandei. Funny thing that nobody ships them ever haha 😅
The conversation says all about season 7 & 8. Nonsense bullshit
Um... no... Liam Cunningham refused to do that.
Lmao pretty sure that was in the original script, dumb and dumber thought that Davos falling inlove with Missandei was a good idea somehow, the actor said fuck that. thats too fucking weird, thats why Davos barely had any lines in season 8
This scene is about Jon and Theon but the real hero here is Ser Davos remembering the words of Stannis: Fewer.
The stare down between jon and Theon is one of the few good scenes of season 7
Nah.
Just try and imagine what's going through Theon's head when he sees Jon here. GRRM makes it point to tell us how Jon looks more like a Stark than any of Catelyn's children (except Arya), and now that he's King in the North...and wearing that Stark breastplate...jeez, he probably feels like he's staring into the eyes of Ned Stark's ghost. He doesn't handle it too bad though...
I liked the little callback to Stannis, when Davos corrects Jon by saying "fewer", like how Stannis corrected him with "fewer" when Davos said he had "four less fingernails to clean".
"will you forgive me if I switched sides" 😂😂😂😂😘😘
when ser davos says.. forgive me if switch sides, because missandei said her queen is the queen they all chose because they believe in her
I was like: this should sound familiar... its basically the same that happened when jon became king in the north
they all almost entirely based it on Jon being Ned's son. whereas no one in Essos even knew who Aerys was
davos already pretending he works for dany lol
I was honestly heartbroken during this scene. I felt so much for both of them.
The casting in this is still remarkable
I’ve seen this scene several times and I just now realized that Davos corrected Jon regarding less vs. fewer.😅
Rare good moment from this season.
“Speaking of good hearts, Missandei of Naath” smooth Davos smooth
You can actually see Jon's entire body below the neck trying to kill Theon, and his head only barely winning the struggle.
I don’t know why but Davos looks and sounds like a fisherman
Well, he is a crabber’s son after all...
Beacause hes a sailor
Because he's a pirate.
Because he's a smuggler
Damn, Davos' dialogue is really great. A lot can be easily missed though.
That little moment between Jon, Davos, and Missendi hit me different just now. How both sides "voted" for their new King/Queen despite them for two different reasons. One was a ruler of former slaves, the other is a person that wants a world to survive. One portrays themselves as a kind figure but has three terrifying beasts behind her, and the other is a colder individual with a kind heart.
2:01 'She's the queen we chose.'
'Well I didn't vote for her.'
2:59 when the McDonald's worker meets a guy in a Ferrari in the drive through and realises he is the guy he bullied in secondary school and put him in hospital because he was a nerd.
oddly specific
1:12 Jon Snow the King of the North and awkward conversations
Did anyone else forget that this reunion could happen before it happened.
I love how interested in Missendai Ser Davos was. Lol. He was very kind to her.
Kellease Taylor a little too interested
He was the kindest person ever to quite everyone. I loved him.
Davos had it right...lol!
'Would it offend you if I switched sides?'
Jon and Davos having this talk alone with Missandei is an important scene... Here they learn more about Dany and what bands she has with her followers. She is their queen by their choice, not by some old legend from abroads. The funny is; Jons rule is essentially similiar... He is chosen time after time...
Theon’s betrayal is nothing compared to anybody else’s but he received the worst punishment
I love staring at hearts too Jon
“She would give me a ship and wish me good fortune.”
Old dany? For sure.
New dany, the Mad Queen? YEAH RIGHT BABE.
“They don’t get to choose.”
Theon suffered more than anyone in the whole GoT
Love how Sir Davos corrects Jon, ''fewer'', Stannis is in there somewhere.
Jon: She have good heart
Davos: I saw you staring at her good heart. LMAO😂😂😂
Davos: "Speaking of good hearts. Missandei of Naath."
Alfie was best young actor out there on this series
When Jon was just kinda starring at first I thought they were going to hug and then I started thinking about it.
Bruh the way they looked at eachother reminded me of when I once met my bully again after a bunch of time
The way she talks about Dany and believing in her then how the writers shitted her out its just so sad.
2023 anyone??
Jon was educated, he shouldn't make this grammar mistake.
I think he had other things on his mind other than grammar
Ash danys good heart
danys good hearts and ass
He spent the better part of the last few years amongst the free folk an most of the nights watch are low born.
he knows nothing.
Jon is the type of character that kills when he doesn't want to and the rare occasions he really wants to, he doesn't.
Theon deserved a solid punch.
Davos picking up the mantle of his lord Stannis the Mannis
even though he betrayed the starks, he was raised without his biological parents, he hasn't learned loyalty and his father is rude and is always pushing him to his limits with yara to add fuel to the fire. He was often depressed and just wanted to become a true greyjoy
Oh poor boy. He bretayed his best friend and cause the death of thousands of people with that, he conqueror the house of the only people who care about him, he killed to cold blood Ser Rodrick and Maestre Luwin, he murdered and burn two children but is ok, everything is ok, because daddy didn't love him enough.
@AK Jay if he wanted to be leader he wouldnt listen to Dagmer because that challenges his authority and this is one of the reasons why Ironborn betrayed him
@AK Jay Tywin did all the things for his family.
Jaime saved Kings Landing
Hate to be that guy but, Theon OWED THE STARKS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. He was their HOSTAGE, not their brother, not their friend, not their father's ward, not a ally. Why should Theon GREYJOY, owe anything to a family that mistrusted and resented him all his adolescent? Jon was being a hypocritical little bitch as well, he hated Theon but he expects him to pick his captors over his family? Yeah this Theon is a Stark plot was complete horseshit but no one wants call it out since you guys love the Starks so much.
@@sorjonen8358Robb was the only Stark that cared about Theon.
Love Theon and Jon❤️
0:27 - Davos, commander of language
If only Dave was as mad at Tyrion as Jon is at Theon I'd like this a whole lot more, he even looks at them like, "hmmm this reminds of something I should feel, I just can't remember what it is" DAMN YOU AMNESIA WATER!!!
Yup.
For me, Theon is one of my favs characters ! I don’t know why people don’t like him. He deserved so much better🥺
Let's see .He betrayed robb which lead to the death of countless people and burnt two children .He deserved all the karma.
Who doesn't like him? He's many people's favourite boi
@@RedLaneArts I didn't like him at first because how he betrayed the Starks was horrible but after him getting completely tortured and brainwashed by Ramsay I felt bad for him .
@cancerxnd his sister was angry with him but she eventually got over that and was nicer to Theon, at least she tried to help him
He literally had two kids killed and burned. Then he took over Winterfell after already betraying the Starks. Then he personally beheaded the stark's master-at-arms, Sir Rodgry, the same guy who taught him how to use a sword. Him having is dick cut off wasn't enough. Just because he learned his lessons the hard way doesn't make him redeemable. It would've been pretty awesome to see Jon plunge his dagger into Theon's heart right there. Him saving Sansa isn't enough for having children and his sword instructor killed.
"Speaking of good hearts...."
Theon deserves sm better aww