Naked Bible Podcast 101 - Jesus, the Exile, and the Tribulation
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2018
- Lots of Christians interested in prophecy talk about the tribulation period (aka, the “Great Tribulation”), but they never seem to get around to asking where the idea comes from. In this episode we explore the development of the eschatological tribulation idea in Second Temple Jewish literature up to and including the time of Jesus. Surprisingly, asking what the tribulation meant in the actual New Testament era is a recent strategy of scholars - and something that never happens in popular prophecy teaching.
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Miss you Mike❤ still listening ❤
Always.❤
When I was in a Christian high school, I was required to read a Christian fiction book each year for a book report. I picked the left behind series, since the other options at the time were terrible. The Left behind series was pretty bad, but I should have read something by CS Lewis instead.
Yes but. The series has introduced a lot of people to the concept and perhaps better to get their house in order
I'm finding these naked bible podcasts quite the spiritual journey.
Add free.
So glad I saw this.. even though I like the "feel good" effort of the prophecy guys, I am really tired of "He is coming soon" loose date setters pointing accusing fingers at those looking for signs in the heaven date setters. What is the difference between saying look at the signs in the stars for His coming and the more broadly put "He is coming Soon!" . I love prophecy but I love learning more about our Saviour. Dr. Mike is bringing the word off Mt. Sinai and teaching us how to read it. Not bored yet Dr. Mike. Thank You...
what a blessing...thank you!
Micheal heiser breaks down a book that costs $900 on Amazon
He never gate keeps knowledge and I love that about him
What book???
Your much appreciated. Very few people study as hard as you do then take the time to teach it. Thank you.👏🏼🙏🏽
Yes the scholar good teacher is hard to come by in any area....
Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”
Luke 21:36 NIV
That's the mindset :)
Revelation 3:10 as well.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge
Dr. Heiser was indeed genuis in understanding. He is greatly missed!
Consistent with and explains the accuracy of prophecies of David Isaiah and so on.
We are the temple!
I have come to see prophecy as an overarching view. It all happens in the passages that happen over thousands (or number) of years until the end. Some has happened and some has not.
It makes me think that our whole timeline and is a big lie and since the future view is blind man walking there is no telling what or when the end will come. This is convicting and a lot to think about.
Yeah, we're not supposed to know. We're supposed to remain faithful & always be ready. Just like Israelites in Egypt were supposed to eat the Passover lamb fully dressed & ready to go. Just like the parable Jesus told of the servants waiting at the gate for their master, because they never knew when he would return.
But in Daniels 70th week, it is in 2 parts. Each part is 3 1/2 years. It is not one 7 year period. I mean yes, it is a total of 7 years. But they are not 7 consecutive years. There is a separation in the middle. That is easy to see that in the writing in Daniel. The first 3 1/2 years is the 3 1/2 years of the Messiah, ending when he is "cut off", i.e., dies, his ministry ends, his Witness, the Witness that he loves the father, "that the world may know that I love the Father", happens. The second 3 1/2 years are the 3 1/2 years of the Two Witnesses talked about in Revelation. And their Witness ends after 3 1/2 years.
I am beginning to wonder if there is 2 tribulations, the first during the time of the Messiah, and second, the "Great" tribulation, during the time of the Two Witnesses. I mean, two 3 1/2 year time periods of tribulation.
The messiah 2030 project agrees with you
I have put this in chronological order years ago ! and now I know I was right in my way of thinking ! great work !!
PLEASE STUDY THE PARABLE IN LUKE 13/ 6 - 9. THIS IS A CONVERSATION BETWEEN GOD THE FATHER AND LORD JESUS CHRIST. THIS PARABLE TELLS US THE BODY OF CHRIST THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS ON HOLD. GOD RICHLY BLESS YOU YOU BOTH ✝️🙏
Vijeyarajah Saverus that parable is about the Jews. They haven’t done what they were supposed to but now Jesus is there and he’s giving them one more chance to bear fruit before they are disinherited. Some responded and believed the gospel but many others did not and thus the temple was destroyed and they were put into slavery or killed. At that point the vine was cut. The kingdom of God is now, all ready here but not yet brought to fruition and the body of Christ is the church. John the Baptist’s ministry was to declare the arrival of the kingdom of God and when Christ ascended and sat down at the right hand of the Father it was inaugurated. Christ is reigning as king and He must logically have a kingdom to reign over; We are His body on earth and we are the new temple. Christ himself declares the kingdom in Luke 11:18-20/Matthew 12:27-28 and Paul clearly states we are the body in 1 Cor 12:27
Donovan McCormick Thank you very much for your reply. Stay blessed and safe ✝️🙏
I like his honesty somewhere between futurist and preterist personally I think futurist and pretribures have more holes than oil filter, however the problem with Preterism is it leaves us without a road map.
Do a deep dive into the Feasts of the LORD. Feast is from the Hebrew 'moedim'. It also means 'appointment'. Genesis 1:14, Hebrew word study of 'season's is helpful as well.
@@debracarey2129 Amen I would rather count up to Pentecost than down to Christmas if you know what I mean.What if all the feast have already been fulfilled in the first advent that would include the fall feast.I imagine you believe the spring were fulfilled ending with Savuot with the coming of the Holyspirit.Why would there be a 2000 year gap?
@@barneyroberts668 Messiah 2030 project has their theory on this. Ties it to the jubilees and Moses. Their latest third installment is very interesting. I wish dr heiser was still alive to do a review
Amen eschatology is difficult.
A lot of money being made of sci-fi like novels.
Mike misunderstands the purpose of the Millennial Temple.
Christ is never said to be anywhere else during the Millennium but in the Temple.
Every nation must celebrate the a feast of a tabernacles yearly; without exception.
You do very well thank you
Excellent
The two witnesses ,sons of oil -the Anointed ones very much a past and future event,proving the same words can be both fulfilled and still to be fulfilled ,past and present. Zechariah 4:11-14 and Rev11,3-14 Houseform Apologetics ?
I think the message here is there is something ..or actually more than something that nobody is getting or seeing ....perhaps read the bowl judgements and you'll get an idea of how serious God gets
Wow!!!!
He’s very honest with scripture gives some Credence to preterism
Does Dr. Mike or host ever reply to comment / question?
They are terribly busy no doubt. Hire some staff Sirs. Job creation.
Stay prayerful everyone
Nope, not here. But that's because this is Houseform Apologetics. Maybe try Michael Heiser's website (www.drmsh.com) or email. See my channel's about section.
at 107.00 ish is why i ant in church i guess one resion any how i love your work
Hey Overbuilt, remember that Bible study teaches us as believers not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together. Hebrews 10:24-25 NKJV
And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, [25] not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.
@@kennethwhittaker8898 so, we are not a Christian since we do not go to church? We are the church. Many do not get anything out of today's churches.
@@joannwillits5129 of course we're the body of Christ, the Church, but we're encouraged not to forsake the assembly of ourselves together for worship and fellowship.
Yes we're in tribulation but oh will it intensify!
Tribulation = Time of Jacob's Trouble.
'Unto whom the ends of the world are come'
Not disagreeing with, "Some now, but not all yet", perspective, but it appears that John's Revelation was written circa 95 AD, while imprisoned on the island of Patmos, a full 25 years after Roman troops bulldozed the second temple, as well as the vast majority of Jerusalem.
As you know, Revelation repeatedly plays on the theme of the seven years of tribulation. Do you view this particular text as the "not yet" portion?
The first 3.5 happened already. That was Jesus teaching. The final 3.5 are still to come
I love brother Mike he is a great teacher of highest value. When it comes to Israel and the Jews he don't get it all right but that makes him human again :)
How so?
They are not against you they are for you
Kind of like your grammar huh?
The scary part is, since history repeats itself, and the first 2 temples were flattened by the beast, does that mean our bodies will be also? Since we are the new temple?
We know that since there is a coming great tribulation that the beast will percecute us (Dan 7:25). The important part though is that he can only destroy our bodies. Jesus has promised that none can snatch us away from him (John 10:28-29).
MATT 24:9
“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and _put you to death_ ..."
MATT 20:22-23
But Jesus answered, “You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink?” They said to Him, “We are able.” He said to them, “ _My cup you shall drink_ ...."
JOHN 15:20
"Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, _they will also persecute you_ ."
MARK 8:34-38
“If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and _take up his cross and follow me_ . For whoever would save his life will lose it, but _whoever loses his life for my sake and the gospel’s will save it_ ."
PHIL 3:10
that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may _share his sufferings_ , _becoming like him in his death_
ROM 8:17
and if children (of God), then heirs-heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, _if indeed we suffer with him_ in order that we may also be glorified with him.
2 COR 1:5
...the sufferings of Christ overflow to us...
1 PET 4:12-13
Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial (DAN 3) when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you _share Christ’s sufferings_ , that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed.
REV 6:11
And to each one of [the martyrs] a white robe was given, and it was said to them that they should rest yet a short time, until the number of their fellow slaves and their brothers _who were about to be killed as they had been_ were completed also.
COL 1:24
Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am _filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions_ for the sake of his body, that is, the church,
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All throughout history, God's faithful followers have been persecuted & killed _because_ they're faithfulness to righteousness & holiness among wicked people & wicked nations _magnified the evil_ of those who hate God & His Truth, _magnified the weight of guilt_ on their consciences, prompting hatred for & violence against the faithful.... However, _through this very persecution_ God has advanced His Kingdom & the renown of His Name, gathering more sheep into the flock because of it. From the prophets, to Christ Himself, to the Apostles, to early Christians throughout the first few centuries, to medieval burnings at the stake, to the Reformers, to religious freedom Pilgrims, to the Soviet Union, to Communist China, to modern America.... We honor God & show His worth & value when we reject all the sinful trappings in which everyone else indulges, when we remain faithful in the face of hatred & violence & rejection of society. We tell the world:
"My God is _far more valuable & precious_ than anything this world has to offer. You may take my possessions, you may take my freedoms, you may even take my life, _but you'll never take away my Jesus_ !!"
@@mcoz6934 Thank you for taking the time to write this comment. I read every word of it.
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Sadly, many will.
Two faces in the red clouds look up.
Great quote “ The law is great,but it ain’t Jesus”
Where do you think the Law came from, Barney - man or Heaven?
Bill Sterling... I think the law originally came from heaven, but you know how men are, they like to change things to suit themselves or to enslave others!!! So when Christ came he knew that they accused him of breaking "their" law!!!
I think Christ was saying "yes, keep the law and go a little further, don't even think of lust in your mind" or "walk that extra mile", and if you do those things I have taught you, that will make you a kinder person, and a good example of my teaching"!!! "But if you fall short, 'repent', and then I'll come in with my 'grace' and make up the rest of it for you, because I love you and I can see that you love me" !!! 🙏😊💕
@ 40:00 How could the exile of all the tribes have ended at Pentecost when Acts 2:5 says "......Jews from every nation......" It does not say "Hebrews from every tribe".
rob nedloh I agree Mike cheat on that part too
Agreed. As he stated later though, it was a foreshadowing of the true end of all exile and tribulation.
Didn't he say the 10 tribes were scattered among the nations? And therefore he took "Jews from every nation" to mean Jews from those tribes had returned?.... But he also did include the caveate this argument _could be_ made from these details, not that it does so _conclusively_ .
James 1:1
36:35
Couple disagreement with his observations especially when he speaks about the temple, John doesn't say that there is no temple, he says "I don't see no temple because God almighty is the temple" wich is different from no temple.
Plus there are the letters of the churches, and at the end of each one, it ends up almost the same way, "he who overcome will sit on the throne with me". There is always a temple description, i doubt that you can fit this into a preterist view.
REV 21:22
But I saw no temple in the city, _because_ the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
He looked for a temple, but explains _the reason_ he saw no temple _is because_ the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
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Is a physical temple necessary to house His throne?? Especially if He Himself is the temple??
CUZ WE ARE HIS TEMPLE HERE
AND HIS ENTIRE KINGDOM WILL BE HIS TEMPLE
I agree with Mike for the most part... but... I don't think that 70 AD was the worst of Jacobs's Trouble, that ever was or ever would be as Jesus put it, certainly not worse than wW2. Also as far as 7 years not being mentioned in the NT, he conveniently failed to notice the many mentions of 3 1/2 years in Revelation, which amounts to the same issue.
Also remember a day is like a thousand years that may be a clue
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I don't think they thought, "If I keep the law, then God owes me", no, like David he kept the law because he loved the law and it was good, it makes you a good person, we keep the law because of that, but then Christ came and explained it better, Yeshua says,"
"If you keep my law, it will make you a better person, but if you fall short, you can repent &
then I'll come in & make up the rest for you", & that's where Grace comes in, that's what Grace is meant to be!!! That's what Grace means to me!! Isn't it wonderful???🙏😊
So are you claiming that those that translated DIDNT KNOW THE LANGUAGE THEY WERE TRANSLATING
No one is that stupid. Why are you?
I would love to translate His work and podcasts in dutch. So needed. Does anybody want to pay me? ☺️
People translate it for free on youtube
@@kaye3298 where can I find that?
@49 mins
Comparison of Matthew 24 and Luke 21 - false Christ’s arise, rumours of wars, nations rising against nation, famines, pestilence, earthquakes
Mat 24:9 Then shall they... future tense for the proceeding tribulation events - Great Tribulation
Luk 21:12 But before all this... past tense for the tribulation events - 70AD destruction by the Romans
The advent of false Christ’s, rumours of wars, nations rising against nation, famines, pestilence, earthquakes - all align with the breaking of the Revelation Seal Judgements at the beginning of the Tribulation
Matthew 24 speaks of this period.
Luke speaks of events prior to this period - 70AD
Note the result in Luke:-
They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Luke 21:24
This is not the result of the Time of Jacob’s Trouble, the Great Tribulation.
Mike is somewhat skewed on this point.
2,000 years separate Luke 21:19 -> Luke 21:20
I thought it was confusing and reading waymore int other nessarry. Making much too about nothing. Understanding a d making it way more confusing.
The Great Commission to preach the Gospel around the world is the project to recall the lost tribes of Israel, along with any others who will convert to Christianity. When that is completed, the Exile will be ended because all of the children of Israel who will respond will have been regathered into the family of God. God knows who He has chosen, who he is calling to hear and accept the Gospel, and they will also know the travail of being in exile as the last days come upon us, leading up to Jesus' return. Look at the persecution of the Church, especially where it is gathering in the most new converts. When that becomes global in scope, THAT is the final Tribulation.
That's why I'm a PAN triber. I don't know when but God does therefore it'll all PAN out
It’s not that clear it’s just not!
Yep eschatology is not clear.
Chuck Missler ‘s teaching on Revelation is the best. Hands down!
Just to add, I don't think that even your average Christian believes that a physical third temole would be good or right. They know they are the living stones of the third temple.
However, what a common church message I run across is that the Jewish people continue to reject the sacrifice of Jesus, and will thus build a physical third temple in error, and once again begin sacrifices, again in error. In fact, some writers maintain that these false sacrifices are the catalyst for the 7 year tribulation to kick off, as God cannot allow this to continue, and the end goal, as noted in Revelation, is to have Israel finally kneel before Jesus as their king.
The Jesus portrayed is not the same as The Messiah YAHOSHUA.
The tribulation comes in two phases, because God loves to use typology. The first exile, into Babylon, ends after the lesser tribulation... but the second exile, after the destruction of the second temple did not end until after the great tribulation, which would have consumed all of Jacob if it had not been shortened. The Holocaust caused the great ingathering of the Jews to see the rebirth of the nation of Israel, in 1948. So many times we see God giving us a hint in an event or person that prefigures what He's planning to do later.
And Jesus' two parables of the fig tree, are clear to observe today. The tree that was withered, because it was not yet the right season for fruit, has once again turned green, and it is beginning to yield its fruit, as the Jews in Israel are hearing the Gospel and many are responding to follow their Messiah!
The return of the lost ten tribes was prefigured by the events of Pentecost, but the final full return is waiting for the Christians to declare their allegiance to Christ returned to Jerusalem as its King. Many of us have Israelite blood, but do not know it, and the rest are from the nations who have been liberated from the lesser gods.
How about we look for a literal temple because Ezekiel 40 thru 46 in the greatest of detail says there will be
good luck
David didn’t live in the temple lmao. The fact that he even has to say that and that people believe that is beyond hilarious 😂
David did not live in the temple period but he was alive with the tabernacle which was a temple the dwelling place of God. David wanted to move it and he even tried to move the ark of the covenant to Jerusalem but was not to be. There was a temple but not the way everyone thinks. It just was not in Jerusalem. It was a moving dwelling place of God and the articles were there. So was Gods presence which was evident in when David tried to move the Ark in the incorrect way. So the use of the word temple has been incorrectly used in many ways. No a permanent temple did not exist but the dwelling place of God did.
@@sharonburgin1710 you seem to miss that David later moved the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem correctly (2 Sam 6:13-17). But you are certainly correct that the temple was not built until after his death
🤔💭 We often think so incredibly _1 dimensional_ & arrogantly think we've fully grasped & understood a particular matter, when in fact _Truth & reality_ are so incredibly _multi-dimensional_ .... Regarding both Scripture & science, God & governments, both His story & history, both Providence & persons, both spiritual & physical, both ourselves & others.... We're more like _tiny ants_ trying to comprehend Quantum Physics!!😆
"My thoughts are not your thoughts;
And My ways are not your ways."
Luke and Matthew's accounts on end times are different in every way.
One given privately to only four disciples.
Another given to all.
When Jerusalem was surrounded by the armies in 70 AD, Christians knew they had to get out of town. And so they did.
Those who did not believe Jesus' message - stayed and died (1.5 million of them)
And abominable thing was never set up in the 2nd temple.
Now. Another private briefing of Yahshua speaks about end times abomination of desolation mentioned by prophet Daniel (chapter 12). And we have not seen a great tribulation (unequalled ) to anything earth had ever endured!
I think the great scholar is wrong in his thinking, because desolation of Israel 10 tribes was multiplied according to the Law 7 times!
Ezekiel's laying on one side for the sins of house of Israel 390 days (one day for each year!)
390×7= 2730 years.
Considering the history that the house of Israel's 10 northern tribes started to be scattered roughly in 722 BC,
--- we are very close to regathering of lost 10 tribes!
Your great learning Michael is leading you astray!
Didn't the Romans set up a huge statue in the temple?? Wouldn't that be considered an abomination??
@@mcoz6934 yeah wasn't it a statue of a Zeus ?
Definitely don't tie it to salvation. Even the Apostles did not get it right and Jesus did not hold it against them.
It would really help me if he stops ranting and sticks to teaching, I'm not listening to Tim Lehaye, I want to know what the bible teaches please. I love his teaching but he always sounds like he's moaning
I think Dr. Hesler may be a closet preterist. If so, I wish he would come out and say it. But, his listenership would evaporate... a bridge too far. The preterist view aligns with old and new testament scripture far better than any futurist view. Love his podcasts.
No he doesn't. Just listen to all His other teachings on escatologie. Hè strongly believes in the , already but not yet principle
Uhhh, he _clearly rejected_ such a view in this podcast
18:30 all of that was fulfilled when yeshua came to live. because they killed God’s anointed, or he did it to himself to curse us to destruction, as jonah did to nineveh, the tribulation is the whole second half of the divine week, a day is as a thousand years. nothing needs to be fulfilled twice, but we never learn.
see: jeremiah 9:16 that makes a lie of all the promises of peace.
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israel wasn’t in exile when yeshua came to them! this is subterfuge for the lie that the revelation isn’t mostly fulfilled. that is so clearly a lie that i just lost all respect for michael heiser. they were very happy under roman rule. so happy, in fact, that they declined their king!