Naked Bible Podcast 090 - The Lake Of Fire
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- Опубликовано: 30 ноя 2017
- This episode discusses why hellfire in the New Testament is associated with “the devil and his angels” (Matt 25:41). Where does that idea come from? There are in fact earlier books that are the basis for this language-inside and outside the Old Testament.
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Miss Mike, so thankful that we have his teaching on video, podcast, and books! ❤👍🏽
How I miss Mike.... :( Thank you, Father, for this man and the work you did in and through him.
Thank you so very much for putting up so many of Dr. Heiser's Naked Bible podcasts. He is so informative and eye opening for most of us. Sadly I only discovered him few months ago around the time he passed. A big loss for us but gain for him. I'm so grateful he left so much material for us to learn from and share with him.
Thank you again. God bless you.
I was somehow led to you after praying for months for knowledge and the truth. I really need to say thank-you! I listen to you every night and am learning so many things I've been spiritually hungry for. I have so much respect and love for all your knowledge and hard work! Much respect from Michigan!
Thank you for your DILIGENCE & True LOVE. Can't wait to meet all of you soon.....
This is such an excellent episode. One of my very favorites. I sure hope I can order these on DVD or CD somehow please. I really miss Dr Michael Heiser. Such a great blessing to us. . Thank you brethren.
Thank you Thank you Thank you for these messages!!
I hope Dr. Mike is having fun in glory...
Unfortunately ever since the days of (just after) the Apostles, it's been a problem finding teachers and preachers who teach scripturally correct doctrines and gospel knowledge. Even worse is when the Church actually has lost some of the knowledge that we should have been getting all along.
Dr. Heiser was a great scholar and teacher who spent his life going back to the original language scriptures and examining current doctrine and teachings and has shed much light on information from the elder Hebrew and Greek texts, and also has shown how those scriptures would have been understood by the people who wrote them, and those were alive in those times. His greatest accomplishment has been to show us how much of what has happened throughout the history of the scriptures has been effected by the supernatural beings and spiritual powers and principalities which ruled behind the old pagan gods and over the people who worshipped them. It makes everything from Eden to Revelation make a lot more sense.
Dr. Heiser has really helped me to understand the situation and interaction between God and man, and WHY things happened the way they did.
We need more teachers like him to step up and continue his work. Do I necessarily believe that Dr. Heiser is correct on everything? Probably not, but I do feel that if he's made an error, that it's an honest mistake, and that he is not skewing the truth to suit his own purpose.
Everything Michael had taught about JESUS is PRICELESS!
He shows where JESUS is throughout the OLD testament ; not only all of the ANCIENT prophesies that He fulfilled ; but where He is UPON the Earth, in human/physical form, and He’s even called YAHWEH on Earth standing next to His prophet = and they are conversing visibly & audibly with YAHWEH in Heaven !
I think it’s exodus where God says I have kindled a fire in my wrath. Also I don’t think that in the Revelation of Jesus Christ that you can say John was quoting from any earlier book. Is it not possible that John is simply recording what he sees? The fact that these ideas are mentioned by much earlier prophets could just mean that John is seeing the same images that were shown to these much earlier prophets?
1 Enoch names the seven angels as mountains of fire. There's a mountain of fire during the second trumpet in Revelation 8 that gets cast from heaven down to the sea. It may very well be that the trumpets were not simply a declaration of war upon people but upon divine beings. Somehow, they fall onto the earth and seas and contaminate the things around them.
Either that, or the mountain can be the relic of a specific holy place of one of the gods.
Also I think it's clear that Daniels vision of the end times and the four beasts, represent a judgement from God in fire.
9I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:9-11 KJV
I'm curious why??? Michael says these ideas were floating around in Matthews head when Jesus is making the statement about the fire being prepared for the devil and his angels??? Very confusing??
So one of the main teachings in the NT that Heiser says comes from Enoch, is the Matt 25 reference to the fire being "prepared for the devil and his angels". Actually Jesus seems to be referencing Isaiah 30:33. Tophet is where the altar of Baal/Molech was, and people would burn their children in fire. Verse 33 says that Tophet it was ordained of old, and prepared for the king. "The king" seems to be the king of Assyria. But the Hebrew pronunciation for the word King is very similar to "molech". One way to interpret verse 33 is that Tophet was prepared for Molech (satan)
Which translation of 1 Enoch is used here?
WOW!!
When does the book on subduing mt Hermon come out?
1000th.......God bless
Very rarely does anyone mention that the lake of fire is the second death. That explains the symbol so therefore one must find out what is the 2nd death. I would think one would need to understand the meaning of death in the Bible first. To me it is the opposite of life. If you are able to feel suffering you are still alive hence not dead. To me the 2nd death appears to be a death from which there is no hope of returning to life. Death or life - two “ destinations”.
Death means separation. Second death means a second separation.
@@truthgardener9983 That is a common understanding. Death in the sense I think the Bible means is definitely a separation from God. No thought, no knowledge, one can’t get more separated than that from God. This is just my thinking--but when God told Adam he would die he meant death (cessation of life) not the continuation of life but without God. The “snake” wanted Adam and Eve to believe they would never die! What does the Hebrew word for die or death mean in the account of Eve and the “snake”?
Interesting that the 7 angels were called 7 mountains. Remind you of anything?
Wish there were "captions".
Any connection between the OT "Tophet" and the NT lake of fire? Is 30:33, Jer 7:31-32, 19:6, 19:11-14
When I went to a RC church a pervert priest told me "Tophet" where this Hell myth began
Actually It turns out Jesus was quoting as something to happen in future in Mk. 9:48 deriving from canonical text in Isa. 41:14;66:24.
The late Ernest L Martin wrote an awesome article in the 1980s connecting the lake of the fire with the Salt Sea (Dead Sea) which is the lowest place on the surface of earth and lies long the world’s largest fault line and was documented in ancient history as burning from the heavy minerals it contains including sulphur. I have a vid of the article read with speech to text software if you can endure it.
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I'm missing something. What in Enoch should be considered true and what was only used to teach and draw parallels?
Dr Heizer, keep up the amazing work. Love your scholarship. Also, get better intro music for your podcasts. It's time for an upgrade.
He has passed. We are thankful for his legacy. God be glorified.
Fern and Audrey ? Does anyone have more info?
So the book of Enoch was on Noah's ark?
I would like to hear his opinion on the outer darkness and the boarder country that the demons pleaded with Jesus that He would not send them out of the country.
that always reminds me of that Superman movie where the bad guys (and gal) get trapped in that flat square and drift out into the darkness.
Isn’t that the darkness outside of the kingdom during the millennium?
So. Do the Dead in Christ burn forever or die their second death in the flames? I could understand the Angels burning forever, their bodies were made to last for eternity but our bodies were not. At least not after Adam and Eve. I also find it hard to believe that our loving God would allow His creation, His children, to burn forever. I believe He's too merciful for that and the Bible does talk about a second death, for the unredeemed, after judgment.
Great illustrations here. Regarding The lake of Fire and Hell, how is Hell and death physically cast into the the Lake of hell being a grave and death being the absence of the soul from the body?
How can these two distinctly different things become a physical form cast into the Lake of Fire?
Is the grave also metaphor for absence of a relationship with The Father?
Sheol (grave) and Death in that verse refers to angels who apparently have powers associated with them. The late Ernest L Martin wrote an eye opening article in the 1980s connecting the lake of the fire with the Salt Sea (Dead Sea) which is the lowest place on the surface of earth and lies long the world’s largest fault line and was documented in ancient history as burning from the heavy minerals it contains including sulphur. I have a vid of the article read with speech to text software if you can endure it otherwise it’s online free.
Death and Hades (grave) were done away with by symbolically throwing them into the Lake of Fire, ( everlasting destruction) . They can’t actually burn but they can be done away with forever.
@@dldenton3982 you will find in Rev 20:10 that the antichrist is in hell still in a non-annihilated form even after 1000 years when Satan too is to be cast down there.... In other words lake of fire in not a place of annihilation!
@@AllOtherNamesUsed why not lake of fire also under an angel who is in charge of it like the angel over Sheol ... just being consistent ...
@@varghessmith2985 The book of Revelation is a highly symbolic book. It often explains it’s symbols by plain language. Ex: lake of fire= second death. So if one was reading this book in the original language 2,000 years ago how would we understand “death”?
Dr. Heiser says the Old Testament doesn’t give a hint of a fiery description of the lake of fire and the concept of hellfire doesn’t come from the Old Testament. I must say Dr. Heiser is incorrect on this. The following two Old Testament scriptures from Isaiah speak of the eternal hell fire:
The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
-Isaiah 33:14
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
-Isaiah 66
Michael Heiser said,
"We don't necessarily get a fiery description of Sheol in the Old Testament".
For someone who claims to believe in what he calls the "Deuteronomy 32 worldview", maybe he should finish reading the chapter past verse 8.
For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
Deut 32:22 KJV
absolutely no one uses the kjv in a scholarly discussion. it is not even close to being the best or most accurate translation.
23 minutes in Hell - Bill Wiese
and also Howard Storm
- these are 2 men who claim to have been in hell -
I think they are the most believable of those who claim such a thing.
Has Weiss commented on heiser's interpretations of these subjects?
If Enoch is not canonical can what is quoted from it actually be the truth?
Carol Sakaguchi I suggest yes. Jeremiah 29:13. Enoch is for veterans in the faith.,, possibly
I’m sure Heiser would not dogmatically say it’s “the truth” but he’s more trying to point out that, because 1 Enoch would’ve been well known to the 1st century Israelites, and the NT writers frequently used 1 Enoch for analogy that the readers at the time would understand.
Similar to how Bible teachers today would use secular movies, books, stories, even personal life experiences to, by analogy, help the listener understand a biblical teaching.
I hope that makes sense.
No its not truth. Their are many errors in it. The idea gaints were over 450 feet tall or that angels built the ark or that Methuselah journeyed to the end of the earth to meet Enoch.
The Never Ending I heard that there are several books of Enoch and only parts of the first one are valid. Apparently parts of it are quoted in the New Testament.
What we have today may be an expansion of a core text similar to how the targums would paraphrase and expand on the scriptures increasingly over time. The DSS has info about Abraham having Enochic text and introduced it to the Egyptians.
The description of the lake of fire made me think of the entire earth being like a superfund site.
With the damned and the fallen angels being confined to the superfun site until the end of the age while the saved inherit an earth made new.
hermenutic What's a superfun site?
Captions would be nice-
And a bit higher volume 🙏🏻
you have the Bible, to use.....this book, quoted here, is not a part, of the text...
2nd temple used Enoch, also Paul quotes Enoch.
Not everything is in the Bible.
No blame to Mike on this. . . . Azazel was not the leader, but he did something more evil.
Azazel was not the one who talked all the angels into leaving heaven. That guys name was Semjaza or something like that (depending on the translation) He wasn't the leader; Azazel was the one who taught Humanity war and bitumen, and possibly some kind of makeup or war paint. Teaching Mankind murdering one another, and probably the nephilim in particular, to kill people was his doing. Azazel was a murderer from the beginning. He did things that an angel would not normally do.
The "bitumen" may have had to do with sexual presentation, but it is also the raw material for graphite, so something else may have been implied. Computer chips or asphalt or mortar - I have no idea what was meant by bitumen, or what was so bad about it, but it made GOD angry.
GOD was VERY angry at Semjaza, but with Azazel GOD was MUCH angrier.
Samjaza got his mouth packed with rocks and buried alive, even though the other angels were imprisoned. Azazel, however was not put away, evidently, or else he was imprisoned very close to Israel.
Some of this is hard and takes a bit of reading.
When the Israelites sent out the "scapegoat", it was to Azazel that it went, if the nation was in great sin.
Michael is fine, as it was a simple mistake.
I thought Cain taught Abel about murder...nothing in Genesis about Azamshalamazel whispering in Cain's ear
@@kennethpace9887 it is a sin to be jealous... also defeat the purpose
Abel killed his sacrifice ...his firstborn...the serpent taught what death was
why did they send out the scapegoat to azazel specifically? what was the purpose?
@@Tom-qo4mz If the nation wasn't under GOD's wrath, then GOD would guide the goat back [protected]. They had a good idea where Azazel tended to be.
GOD puts limits on where these evil things can go. For the obedient, HE "hedges them in", as HE did Job.
It is very likely that Azazel is the overseer of Damascus, but the actual names of each being is not always translated in even The King James.
Where it might say "The Dead", is often the name Ra-pa'im or Rephaim, and that is a reference beings that pagans try to get to possess them in certain local rituals of the Caananites.
When modern people say "call to the ancestors" this is them. Rephaim. The Nazi SS had similar rituals; to get pregnant or possessed by dead heroes of old. ("heroes of old, men of renown. . .").
Anyway, the area known for Rephaim is the place where the goat was sent.
I believe in about 85% of what Dr. Heiser says (which is MUCH higher than any other religious speaker), it just rubs me the wrong way that he writes science fiction also.... It just has that creepy link, like L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology.....
The man’s scholarship is right on the money, but I pray his heart is right with Jesus.
Michael says this topic in the new Testament can ONLY come from the Old Testament (or older writings not included in the Bible).
Wait. Are we forgetting that our Lord Jesus told of the Rich Man and the beggar? The Rich Man was in hell according to the Master.
Did our Lord Jesus depend on the Old Testament for His teaching?
Was He just a man and not the Son of God (God the Son) ?
All scripture is given by inspiration of God. The scriptures are not dependent upon man's understanding and development of ideas over the ages. God can reveal knowledge as He pleases to anyone at any time. So a scripture writer is not dependent on previous writers to record a revelation and inspiration from God.
There can be progressive revelation where God at first reveals a little about a topic and then adds more revelation over time through the scriptures.
In conclusion, for Michael to say "can ONLY come from the Old Testament"
seems to me to overlook the Deity of Christ and His teaching in the New Testament
and also the fact that the scriptures are inspired by God and He reveals knowledge as He pleases, independent of what He has revealed in the past to other writers.
The Bible is not a book developed by man. It is revelation from an all knowing, sovereign God.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God"
Presumably you mean that all holy scripture is given by inspiration of God - 'scripture' simply means writings. So holy scripture is therefore scripture that is given by inspiration of God.
But are you suggesting that there is no human input at all into inspired holy scripture and that God is telling the NT authors the specific words that they are to write down?
None of the NT authors mentions that they were writing in this manner (in fact none of them claim to be writing under any kind of inspiration). If for example, Luke was being directed by God on what to write (either by direct dictation or some form of subconscious control) then why would he say that his information came from "eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word" as he does in (Luke 1:2) ?
all scripture is given by inspiration of God
was simply my quoting the scripture without taking the time to put quote marks around it or give the book, chapter and verse
since this is so well known.
Our Lord Jesus quoted the scriptures as Truth. He lived and died and rose again believing them. He even quoted them while He was dying on the cross. That's good enough for me.
Since this is a Bible topic discussion I saw no need to define scripture.
Go in peace.
TheSmithDorian
The very fact that humans were writing down words from or of God is itself evidence that Scripture had human input.
But I guess you mean more than that - deciding as to what goes into the text.
You have to make a distinction between the text that ws origianlly written by the prophets comapred to what we have today by many translations and versions.
Even the worst translations/versions God can use and still have sufficient authentic Scripture in them to lead people to Jesus Christ
Paul tells Timothy - "All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,.." 2 Tim 3:16
Paul is referring primarliy to what we call the Old Testament.
God breathed means God breathed the words into the prophets, and in essence is no different (in my opinion) to when God breathed into Adam the breath of Life.
I do not believe for one moment that any of the prophets of God (OT) or the apostles, or Luke (NT) were out of their minds, in a state of suspended consciousness, or that they were being controlled wildly like those who are under demonic influences, with automatic writing, and arms flailing etc as the main speaker in the video describes.
And it is a fact that not every word in the Bible came out of God's mouth directly.
Many of God's words are recorded, as are words of men, and of devils. But it is God who inspired - decided what should be written at the beginning.
We have one example (at least) of the process that we would usually call dictation. It is with Jeremiah.
"And it happened in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah, king of Judah, this Word was to Jeremiah from Jehovah, saying,
Take a scroll of a book for yourself and write in it all the Words that I have spoken to you against Israel, and against Judah, and against all the nations, from the day I spoke to you, from the days of Josiah even to this day." Jer 36:1, 2
Later, after the king had burnt all that Jeremiah had dictated to Baruch the words of God, we read ...
"Then the Word of Jehovah was to Jeremiah, after the king had burned the scroll and the Words which Baruch wrote from the mouth of Jeremiah, saying,
Take for yourself another scroll, and write on it all the former words that were in the first scroll, which Jehoiakim the king of Judah has burned." Jer 36:27, 28
Then we read - "Then Jeremiah took another scroll and gave it to Baruch the scribe, the son of Neriah, who wrote in it from the mouth of Jeremiah, all the words of the book which Jehoiakim, king of Judah, had burned in the fire. And many words like them were added to them." Jer 36:32
How could Jeremiah do this? When the prophets of God had been given a message, it burned into their soul just like God wrote with His finger on the stone tablets on Sinai. Jeremiah could not forgot any of those words that God had spoken to him.
Note that it says that Jeremiah added many words like them to what he had at first written down by the command of God. But we should not think that Jeremiah was personally deciding what should go in. No. He was a prophet of God and he could only write or speak what God had put in his mouth.
We see this with Jesus - "Joh 8:38 I speak what I have seen with My Father. And you therefore do what you have seen with your father."
also -
"Joh 5:19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, The Son is not able to do anything from Himself, except what He may see the Father doing; for whatever that One does, these things also the Son does likewise.
Joh 5:20 For the Father loves the Son and shows to Him all things which He does. And He will show Him greater works..."
"Then Jehovah put out His hand and touched my mouth. And Jehovah said to me, Behold, I have put My Words in your mouth." Jer 1:9
This action of God on His prophets is spoken of a number of times. In these instances the prophet is not adding his own ideas. The word of God says do not add to His words or take away from them in Dueteronomy, Proverbs and Revelation.
David said that the plan for the temple was given to him by the Spirit (Holy) by writing - "All was in writing from the hand of Jehovah. He caused me to understand all the work of the pattern." 1 Chron 28:19.
The Lord's hand was on David's hand to enable him to write exactly what God required for and in the temple - inside and out. David knew exactly what was going on and he was fully compliant with God's will in the matter. David was fully conscious just as when he would pay the harp and sing to his God.
The prophets of God were men of humility and obedience.
As to the construction of the NT, we only know from John's revelation of Jesus Christ how it was actually given to him.
"A Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to show to His slaves things which must occur quickly. And He signified by sending through His angel to His slave, John,
who testified of the Word of God and the witness of Jesus Christ, even as many things as he saw." Rev 1:1, 2
"And when the seven thunders spoke their sounds, I was about to write. And I heard a voice out of Heaven saying to me, Seal what things the seven thunders spoke, and do not write these things." Rev 10:4
In this verse we see God forbidding him to write what he heard at that moment.
This is evidence that John only wrote what God wanted him to write.
Luke says that he recorded what he received from eye witnesses. That seems to indicate that he got all his information from other people.
But what many may have forgotten is that the early disciples were filled with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth.
I am convinced that it was the Holy Spirit who inspired the eyewtinesses to tell Luke what he needed to hear and write down. And Luke was likewise faithful to the Lord.
Peter on the day of Pentecost spoke by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. That was all he was interested in doing - just speaking what the Holy spirit was giving to him to speak, and I have no doubt it was so with his two letters, and was likwise so with Paul.
as lw216316 says "The Bible is not a book developed by man. It is revelation from an all knowing, sovereign God."
Well said, a lot of people don't want to believe what they don't like.
Actually the parable if taken literally is speaking of sheol not the lake of fire.
Apparently it takes 15 groups of ten thousand Angels to keep the sun’s fire going by day and only a thousand at night, because you know, the sun doesn’t have to shine so bright at night. Lol. According to the Book of Enoch. How Michael can study these ridiculous mythologies and still believe “Jesus is Lord” is beyond me. 🤔
At night in the time zone you’re at. Evening. Dusk. As it sets. Dark side of the sun. 🤷🏻♀️