Catch fast, submit slowly, Glad you said that, because for some odd reason people gun out wrist locks faster than anything else when going for them. Armbar? Better go slow, don't wanna hurt elbows Kimura? Very slow, a busted shoulder is bad Wrist locks? Boom boom bang bang better hit that shit woooo!
Funny this came up, last week (I'm white belt 2 stripes ) I went against a 3 stripe blue belt, he couldn't finish his armbar attempt, immediately switched to a wrist lock which I didn't even get the chance to even remotely tap or understand what was going on. I've got my wrist so badly injured I had to take sick leave, second week counting ...
I got my wrist pulverised about a week before my first set of law exams. My world crumbled for about 10 seconds before I realised it wasn't my writing hand.
Wrist locks are super easy to avoid *if you see them coming*... So doing them super slow doesn't usually work. That is why most places discourage white belts doing these (or having them done to white belts) because there is much less room between a submission and an injury.
@@Marxorz That's kind of a false logic. That's like saying arm bars are super easy to avoid if you see them coming. Everything if taught right can be done slowly and well and still catch people. Most people just don't understand wrist locks and are never taught them so they feel like you have to slam them on like white belt feels like the only way to get an arm bar is to slam it on. It's just lack of understanding, not something inherent about the moves themselves. Of course they can pull their hand away if you don't trap it first in a writstlock. Of course they will pull their arm away if you don't trap it first in an arm bar.
Only just beginning my BJJ journey (3 class, no stripe white belt) and come from a Hapkido background (BJJ Brown Belt equivalent) and Hapkido is ALL about the wrist locks and joint manipulation. However, from white through to black, we have the same principle - Catch it fast and ease it on slow. Nothing worse than a wrist lock being cranked on by someone with no control nor technique.
I remember the first time I was wrist lock. I was trying to escape guard while one of my hands was being locked down. Next thing I hear is “you’re very flexible” followed by pain. I didn’t even know what was going on
That happened when I got choked with the gi when I was holding the guy in the air I was like why am I choking I put him down gently and tapped lol. Thats when I learned u can use gi for submissions
dragonballjiujitsu leg locks ftw!!!! Other people think it’s cheap, but the POINT of bjj is learning how to best utilize your own body. If certain techniques work better for you, they’re valid. Period.
I had a bad experience as a white belt, some heavy dude grabbed my hand put all his weight on my wrist gooseneck style, it wasn't even a real wrist lock there was no elbow control it was just a dick move and it hurt a lot. Wrist locks are like heelhooks though, with control and respect for your training partner they're fun as hell.
@tyvek05 yes It is,when you are at the gym you don't throw subs without technique,you can hurt your training partner,and now nobody wants to spar with you
If your elbow and forearm could have moved, then you would have gotten out of it. So it sounds like your opponent did have your arm trapped somehow... and you just didn't like it.
A black belt jammed a wrist lock on me hard, out of nowhere, as a no stripe white belt. That felt cheap and personal. Not because I "lost" but just due to our experience difference and how hard he did it. At the very least, it made me aware of that possibility.
You made a great point about locking it in fast and then submitting slow. I've been out for about 5 years and just now getting back in, but my old gym had a judo guy who was awesome at wrist locks. The problem was none of knew anything about them or how to defend and he did them so fast it really hurt. We had to learn to tap fast and defend and he had to learn to go slow with the sub.
I'm glad you added the last part of finishing slow. My biggest issue with wrist locks is that people seem to feel like the only way they work is by smash finishing them.
@@jollyrogerexperience Good luck bjj bro! I had a herniated disc that destroyed all my strength in my left arm. I was lucky enough to avoid surgery. I wish you the best on recovery.
Sonic Fx that’s a really stupid idea lol. Good way to get someone’s knee injured and ruin their training. Purple belt coach? Ahhhh it all makes sense now lol.
I'm a white belt and I don't mind people putting leg locks and heel hooks on me as long as they don't go mad like they're trying to take my limbs home as souvenirs
I've trained in Jiu-Jitsu for awhile now and I always had the impression that wrist locks, knuckling, grinding and smashing were cheating and/or dirty Jiu-Jitsu.....now I know that wrist locks aren't playing dirty I will incorporate them into my game
Well said Chewy, I love your channel. Wrist locks aren't dirty or cheap, but I've definitely seen (and felt) people applying wristlocks like they're going for a championship belt- no control or warning, just full force applied. Use 'em, but don't ruin someone's training for the next few weeks; that's just stupid.
Brother I had my first jujitsu session today and my teacher showed us some wrist locks today your videos helped me fight the fear of the unknown and walk through those doors I told my teacher I know it's going to be long and hard and I HAVE TO EMBRACE THE SUCK. Thanks brother and God Bless you. You are doing amazing work chewie peace brother
To me, the thing about wristlocks is that in a friendly non-competitive roll they come across as kind of win at all costs, "I'll just grab this wristlock so I can say I won." And I think that's where the "prison rules" joke comes from. It's like if someone goes for wristlocks OK this is no longer a friendly round where we're both working on things, it is A-game full speed winning time.
Love this!! Glad a man of authority said this - I’m one of those guys - came from Kindai Ryu JJ & Hapkido background with tons of wristlocks - I had to make some serious adjustments for the ground though….glad you gave the warning about slowing down the finish…easy to damage the wrist - You’re awesome 👏, Chewy
The school I train at has always been open to all subs since the beginning and we have a very solid purple belt who has used wrist locks on all of us since the start. Flash forward 3 and a bit years and now I use them frequently and we all watch for the because of how quick and sneaky they can be
This is a difficult one. Although they are very effective in my experience they are hard to pull off once you get sweaty and slippery. But when someone does get you with a wristlock you need to tap fast. It isn't a very forgiving submission. Btw Chewy you are one of the guys who made me want to start uploading videos too. First one is on my channel and hopefully there are going to be more soon.
Wrist locks is not cheating in my opinion, but they cause many injuries and bruising. When you have control and are able to get the wrist lock and let it go during your roll, then this is the most ideal because you know its there and you are able to go for it without risking injury to your rolling partners. Remember, a team member that is injured is one less body to help you improve your rolling game! Not worth injuries.
In my experience wrist locks often get applied too fast, by the time there is a tap injury has already occurred. The wrist is an incredibly intricate joint and injuries can be tough. For that reason I am very careful to apply them and weary of those hunting for wrists.
I never really submit teammates with wrist locks. I'll catch it and giggle, then just let it go and keep rolling. I've found that certain wrist locks, you really do have to hit it harder and faster for it to work, so I try to avoid inflicting pain - expect for that one blue belt. You know who you are!
I am a beginner white belt. I was soundly beating another white belt largely due to my weight advantage when he totally cranked a wrist lock on me (more like the goose neck by your description). Kind of pissed me off as he went 0-60 immediately and hurt my wrist. I am ashamed to say I responded by wrenching my arm free and basically just mushing his face into the mat for the remaining 20 seconds of the round in retaliation. That said, my wrist still hurts several weeks later to the point that doing push-ups is painful. I’m guessing that he injured something in my wrist.
In my opinion, if someone taps me with something in training, it is a legit technique. There is no such thing as "cheating" in my opinion because if I get into a life or death self defense struggle on the street, my attacker is not going to abide by the rules of the IBJJF. It is my job to be able to defend whatever might come my way.
When I was actively training BJJ ~10 years ago, people would literally not want to roll with me because they thought of the wrist lock as dirty or whatever. One even commented and said that it was against MMA rules to do so. I reminded him that I wasn't playing MMA. He was added to the list of not wanting to play. Eventually I just up and left BJJ because for such a wide array of practitioners to consider them dirty grappling or whatever is a great disservice. The whole idea of BJJ is self defense grappling, not sportive grappling. I moved on to other things since then and haven't given BJJ a real thought since.
I’m a white belt and I don’t know many wrist locks and white belts are not allowed to use those in my gym but I think that if you get wrist locked you got caught lackin’ and that’s fair.
People also forget where jiu jitsu came from...Japanese ju jutsu is FULL of wrist locks because the aim historically was often to prevent someone drawing a dagger or short sword or concealed weapon or to make them drop one. It is a very central part of the traditional heritage. So - not in any way cheating, more like remembering another facet of the infinite art of jiu jitsu. I am a filthy wristlocker!
I love wristlocks. I am a 4th degree purple, under ken lee, and mike fowler. I do show them to striped white belts who are ready for promotion to blue. But never apply pressure beyond the "thats uncomfortable" feeling.
when I was a three-month white belt, I got wrist-locked by my purple belt coach that was practicing to develop those submissions. It hurt so bad that I couldn’t do a regular push-up for 8 months because everytime i place my palm down and weight on the wrist, there was a nerve pinch (like a carpel tunnel syndrome) effect. I still have to do a knuckle push-up till this day (out of fear that the ‘nerve pinch’ will come back) and type on the keyboard with my the non-wrist locked hand occasionally.
Merrick no, he’s actually a really good guy and feels terrible about it, and i was never mad at him about it since then, he stopped wrist locking people altogether because he didn’t want long term injuries on his partners. it’s just one of those things that it’s hard to do a controlled submission to give someone a chance to tap. Nerve pain is the worst. the sharp pain comes spontaneously when you are asleep and the wrist supprt brace doesn’t really help
@Merrick it’s better now with massaging the surrounding area , just can’t bend the wrist back at a full right angle there is nerve pain blocking medications such as Lyrica or Neurontin but i didn’t want to go that route when we do warm ups, i look like a little b**** doing push-ups with my knuckles and knees on the mat
Some folks forget that bjj isn't a turn-based game, its real time. Fast or sneaky attacks when done with technique and control are to be respected and feared just as much as anything.
Wrist locks are legal for adult white belts at grappling industries events. It says it directly on the legal techniques page. So I don’t think it’s cheating, I think people don’t like being surprised.
Got wrist locked by a brown belt as a white belt, the pain came after the break, no warning. My wrist still pops now 18months later. Cheers brown belt.
I've had the exactly the same experience. I still dont understand the need for this kind of technique against someone who barely knows how to apply a fucking armbar.
I do plumbing and hvac, and work 10 hours a day. If my wrists are hurt and I can't perform my job functions because someone can't perform wrist locks in a controlled manner, I will either not roll with them or make sure to get the point across in the roll.
I understand and hear you. But that is true with all joint locks. If someone armbars you or ankle locks you without control, you would equally be unable to do your job.
@@shobukan5555 yes except the wrist is not as easy to defend. Someone slaps an armbar full speed you still have biceps and the other arm helping it from popping and you can adjust your body, and ankles you can kick thru, push legs off jump over, ect to escape. You also have more time to be able to tap. That being said yea all submissions should be done with controlled manner, and don't have loose wrists.
In RTS games, we say there's asymmetry in the gameplay in these types of situations. In general, though, for example, if it is exponentially easier for the defender or the attacker to deal with the situation than the other side's perspective, it's said to be bad for the meta or the game as a whole. For example, in Starcraft 2, Protoss is generally regarded as much easier race for noobs since it requires much less APM, and it is therefore very much criticized at the higher levels for the lack of effort you need to put to manage it.
Interesting! In a video game, the fun of the game itself is the point. I understand structuring bjj around the most fun meta, but I find structuring it around the best path to victory more interesting. If I wanted the best meta back-and-forth, I would do partner gymnastics. I do feel bad cheesing imbalances that devs have created in their games, especially when unintended. But I think every imbalance in the human body that can be cheesed, should be cheesed. It's not like a patch is gonna come out and make wristlocks no longer viable!
A brown belt broke my hand wristlocking me on my first month at Jits. This was because I'd swept him and (being a big guy) he was used to mugging people off. Id broke my other hand a year before with a sketchy punch it's now nearly months later and my hands still aren't 100%. Ive taken it upon myself to celebrate by learning wrist locks and imparting this knowledge to anyone unfortunate enough to get caught in it. Keep the cycle going an all. Catch fast, finish slow because I'm not a monster.
I learned wrist locks in Kyokushin Karate. I’ve had both of my wrists broken and repaired from contact sports. If you’re the ‘LOCKEE’ they SUCK!! For real self defence.......JUST GIVE ‘ER!! Just my 2 cents Prof/Coach Chewy. Thanks for your post Sir.
Okay, brother, this is my take. What level of BJJ are your going to teach? The bottom level deep down includes small joint manipulation to fingers, toes and yes wrists. I personally believe that some people are happy with turning BJJ into an entertainment sport as a great workout however that is NOT what BJJ was designed for. BJJ was designed to save your life, save your possessions and maybe some somebody else's life. It's down low, it's dirty and yes its vicious. The question comes, how do you train that? Is there a way to train defensive techniques to stop someone from cranking a finger, thumb or yes a toe? Damn hard one to teach there but perhaps it's one session out of the month? Let's look at the Wiki>BJJ teaches that a smaller, weaker person can successfully defend themself against a bigger, stronger, heavier opponent by using leverage and weight distribution to take the fight to the ground, and then applying joint locks and chokeholds to defeat the opponent. That doesn't say, let's wait until we can get ourselves a nice elbow or knee or ankle to crank on. Hell, let's include children and smaller or less experienced women who couldn't crank an ankle, elbow, shoulder or knee quite literally to save their lives due to a lack of strength.
If you become a wrist lock specialist after you develop a guard passing game, the ability to advance through pinning positions such as a great knee on belly to side control with high pressure kesa gateme pins and the ability to shift and adjust your position to suck all the wind out of other BJJ players at your level within a reasonable size range, you can mount, take the back, develop a good closed guard and open guard and half guard with active hips that make you hard to control, wrist locks, Advanced downward pressure so that you literally Make all your ontrolled Positions from the side or the mount totally oppressive and hell for anyone who can’t hold your in their guard, you will be a very competent positional player. My opinion is that a dominant positional game with excellent transitions, explosive scrambles, the ability to relax your body and pay attention to your opponents breathing so that every time your opponent breaths out you sink in will totally disrupt most bjj players games. When you have a great tight pass, and a great standing stacking pass and a great toreano type pass, with a great standing takedown game, and incredible top pressure, you will be miserable to compete against, your skills will transfer to MMA better but a weak guard means that a guy with a better top game will always defeat you. LeArn every position and definitely attack and defend but in my experience guys who have great position always get the submissions without forcing them. When you add a serious Leglock and wrist lock game this guy What is the absolute last guy that you want to spar because he is uncomfortable to roll with Without being dangerous or being a dick. He just has the ability to relax and make himself heavier, transition from position to position and use a lot of leverage to his advantage. Guys like this always feel like absolute bulls. Some of them may be strong athletic guys. My experience, however, is that when guys who are very strong athletics for start jujitsu, they try to use strength to force pressure their opponents. This is actually going to make them much lighter and easier to counter. When you are tense and using muscle throughout your torso and lower body while on top, you were actually supporting the weight that should be digging into your opponent. It’s best to stay tight eliminated space but keep your weight evenly distributed and learn to control your breathing and relax and sync your weight every time your opponent result after a while he will be unable to breathe in or out because all of the air is escaped body and you have filled up all the space That one must rely to expand the lungs and breathe. Guys like this are absolute menaces. Strive to have a high pressure type game and also learn how to keep guys from gaining good top position on you which requires your hips to be very active so the guy never can cross his hips and waist over your stomach and chest because if you can do this you won’t be breathing very long and you will actually be giving the girl your arm or neck just to get it over with. Wrist locks are just another way to make positional grapplers hell to spar. I guess the message here is learn how to be an animal of position and don’t just be some guy that tries to catch people in the submissions because your skills will be limited and you will never rise to a very high level.
ill never forget the first time i was wrist locked. i was a white belt training for like 3 months. i was rolling with a black belt and were standing. i grabbed his lapel and he grabbed my elbow and pushed his chest into my wrist. i was so confused. i didn't even know wrist locks were a thing. i guess there's no better way to learn tho lol
I’ve had wrist locks put on me, and honestly they aren’t bad submissions to learn how to guard against at the very least. Nothing dirty about them at all. Like any submission as long as you aren’t cranking them and you respect the tap it should be fine.
My opinion as a Hapkido guy (looking into BJJ as an outsider) is this is something that is cheating with lower belts, but not with higher belts. Just like leg locks. If I were going into a BJJ school, I would ask "are wristlocks okay?" with the people I rolled with, that way they know what's up. Or I may just stick with what they want to teach, because then I could learn the BJJ style the way they want to teach it. As a Taekwondo guy, we have different sparring rules based on your age and belt level. We don't have purple belts going for head kicks, so if a purple belt is doing head kicks then it's not good for the other students.
BigErn_Mccraken no matter what he practices what he says is legit. You don’t have a purple belt throw a head kick just as you don’t have a purple belt wrist lock a white belt
@@fangerboardin4741 I'm now a year into BJJ training. I've decided I'm going to wait until blue belt to start chasing wristlocks. But I did have a brown belt wristlock me, right in front of our Professor. I (jokingly) called him out for it. Professor just goes, "Two more stripes you gotta learn, might as well start now" and walked away.
I think people call them cheating because they work well, are hard to defend against, and are rarely trained. It would be like somebody in my guard reaching up and doing some sort of nose lock(if that existed). If I had to tap, my indignation would come from me internally saying "What was that? We don't do that here! That's not a thing!"
In my direct experience using wrist locks in security they only work if you can apply them before the person is able to resist, once past a certain point they are hard to escape especially if you put the persons elbow on your body for much greater leverage. But if you tell someone you are going to wrist lock them and they tense up their wrist before you do it then its pretty difficult to apply it.
I've been caught with a few wristlocks recently as a new white belt training in a new center… I think for me the reason they feel cheap is because the margin between okay you have the position, and really hurting someone is very narrow with wristlocks compared to a full arm bar or a shoulder lock or even an elbow lock or a choke hold. You can go from zero pain to extreme pain (and possible significant injury) in a much shorter window and there's less time to tap. I've had another white belt with a few stripes really drive one home on me a few times and it feels cheap because he can't get anything else and ends up hurting his training partner... in this case me. I don't think I would feel this way if for example I got caught with one and my training partner had enough control and training maturity to lock it up without going too far and causing significant pain / injury. I'd feel the same way if someone went ham with no regard for avoiding injury on any other submission as well.
Heck yeah. I love to wrist lock or attack the arms when someone gets to my back. They end up worrying to defend their own limbs even though they are in a better position. (Escape is still Plan A but sometimes their leg hooks are better than their hand grips).
Preface: white belt bjj background in jjj, wrist locks are nothing new to me, but I don't use them when rolling unless I am rolling with a higher belt and they go for once first. I was rolling with a blue belt, and wasn't expecting it, but he went for a wrist lock on me. I managed to slip out of it I think two times in the roll. I talked to him after the roll just noting that he really likes wrist locks and he laughed saying "I am the 1%!" Anyway, with the next round of rolling we ended up failing to grab new partners in time so ended up together again. Again, he continuously went to wrist lock me, but I think he was frustrated with not being able to wrist lock me in the first round, he came onto the next wrist lock super fast and hard and sure enough got it, but it ended up tweaking my wrist too hard that for the next two months gripping a door knob or trying to open a jar hurt. Wrist lock slowly.
I've heard "small joint manipulation" is typically illegal in jiu jitsu competitions, for example grabbing 2 fingers and just breaking them. Wrist locks aren't against the rules clearly, but i feel they're stigmatized for being similar to small joint manipulations.
With joint locks I go with the all is fair in love and war. You love your roll mates and go to war in competition. The love part is teaching your mates how to handle those locks and in war you are there to win.
what do i do about training partners that just refuse to do anything but go hard, i hate when im trying to go slow and they're clawing at my face and smashing my chin with their forehead everytime i pull guard. and if i try to post hip escape out they drop their weight for a cheap haphazard wrist lock. not to mention all the times i think theyre going for a choke and failing and they just crush my face until i tap (im fairly skilled but i must mention im only 14 years old going to all adult classes)
Bjj is learning how to fight for self defense. Don't ever forget that is the #1 reason it exists. Anything goes in a fight. That being said, if a big guy is judt smashing me then he should expect me to start using pressure points. The point is when i roll with a chick, even a blackbelt chick, i could easly muscle her till she can't do anything. But we're not there to win, we're there to learn. So technique should be king. Save smashing and other things that aren't really bjj but work, for the streets.
The line for joint size in bjj rules is fingers- too easy to break. Pinching and pressure points are legal in high level competition, but we don't use them in training because it would make rolling suck for all but the most masochistic. And for competition, they aren't that effective, since many people can ignore pain. If a joint is broken, they can't ignore that. These are good questions, in my mind they all have easy answers! Wrist locks,* if trained properly*, are not too dangerous, more effective than pressure points and pinching and need not make rolling a shitty experience.
Former wrestler, against bjj guys of all belts during sparring , I find it easy to catch people in cradles and it’s engraved in my muscles to notice and take them, what are transitions from that position to enhance it
Wrist locks - I think people don't like them because they represent a fail on their part to defend their hand properly. It's a reality check. I go for them when they present - an on higher belts they rarely present. Totally legit submission.
I would be interested to see a bjj practitioner learn nikkyo from aikido and be able to apply it. It’s brutal if you really understand the angles that make it effective.
I am about to do my second surgery on my hand due to a cyst tendon because of one single wrist lock in both occasion. Wrist locks are a legit submission, but boy oh boy people are way too d*mb to understand that certain finishes don't need to be smashed
I saw a comment saying that you're in Kentucky, I'm in Kentucky too and was wondering where your gym is at, and also do you have any no gi classes I could check out? I've been doing no gi jiu jitsu and submission wrestling for a few months and I'd love to check out a different gym with different coaches and people
I’ve seen brown belts yelling and storm out the gym cause of wrist locks. In our gym we don’t start applying wrist locks until blue belt. They do come quickly though lol When someone gets their blue we always joke “Wrist lock city”
Clicked on this video super fast. I came from a hapkido background before going to bjj, and I took care to not use wrist locks while rolling until one day a high belt started using them on me. I basically got told it was okay, and since then I've been sort of adapting sneaky locks I learned back in the day to a jiu jitsu setting. Sometimes to move someone where I want for a takedown or to take the back, or sometimes just to get them to stop grabbing my wrists. Still feels dirty though so I try not to actually use them as a submission
In a sportive sense, wrist locks are right up there with toe-holds, which are a very close second to pulling hair or twisting fingers... but that’s just my opinion of course.
Wrist locks like Heel Hooks are part of the traumatic shock pain system ....some react to a wrist lock or heel hook like they’ve touched a hot stove , slow or fast , like knee on liver your opponent’s reaches up to grab collar or lapel you can use your body weight to pressure wrist lock in either the goose neck or handcuff ....like stepping on legos ... shocks the shit out of you. When I rolled, everything in the tool box was allowed . Gracie School Challenger grind .
Totally. that said, it's worth refining your submissions because while a casual training partner at the gym might tap to pressure and/or pain alone, the same might not apply in competition.
I usually laugh it off, I think it’s hilarious because I shouldn’t have left my hand in a bad spot 😂 it’s just games who cares how you tap, you both get better
I dont use them personally on training partners because I've had mine injured a couple times from people wrist locking me years back. I dont think its cheating obviously but if you go for them on me then you acknowledged its game on and we are rolling very hard....
Wrist locking doesn't mean rolling hard. Just as with any other submission, you can choose to do it in a very controlled way without injury. I use wrist locks every time I see an opportunity, sometimes 2..3 wrist lock submissiions in a single roll. I never injured anyone because I do it controlled/slow enough to give them time to tap, but that gives them also more opportunity to escape.
Yeah, sex is cool and all but have you ever wristlocked a defenseless white belt?
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I've wrist locked a defenseless white belt while I was having sex with them.
@@angelchab5979 bro thats gay as fuk lol
@@tha1ne i pop boners everytime i roll . I really ram it in to them
@Munin Fjolnir lmao yo if u wristlock someone while having sex with them u automatically gay as hell bruh
"that's cheating" is usually what we call moves we aren't good at defending IMO.
100%
You're right! **puts fingers back in eye sockets**
Who is we? Not people who are actually good I assume
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Your completely correct
Heelhooks are cheating are the gi guys cry for sucking.
Everytime I get wristlocked I feel deep, deep, shame.... The deepest.
Jake Hargis shame .... shame ... shame
@@dickheadbrian I use them all the time! The last person to wrist lock me was Chewy.... Try defending against that guy, I dare ya! 😀
Catch fast, submit slowly, Glad you said that, because for some odd reason people gun out wrist locks faster than anything else when going for them.
Armbar? Better go slow, don't wanna hurt elbows
Kimura? Very slow, a busted shoulder is bad
Wrist locks? Boom boom bang bang better hit that shit woooo!
Funny this came up, last week (I'm white belt 2 stripes ) I went against a 3 stripe blue belt, he couldn't finish his armbar attempt, immediately switched to a wrist lock which I didn't even get the chance to even remotely tap or understand what was going on.
I've got my wrist so badly injured I had to take sick leave, second week counting ...
I got my wrist pulverised about a week before my first set of law exams. My world crumbled for about 10 seconds before I realised it wasn't my writing hand.
Wrist locks are super easy to avoid *if you see them coming*... So doing them super slow doesn't usually work. That is why most places discourage white belts doing these (or having them done to white belts) because there is much less room between a submission and an injury.
@@Marxorz That's kind of a false logic. That's like saying arm bars are super easy to avoid if you see them coming. Everything if taught right can be done slowly and well and still catch people. Most people just don't understand wrist locks and are never taught them so they feel like you have to slam them on like white belt feels like the only way to get an arm bar is to slam it on. It's just lack of understanding, not something inherent about the moves themselves. Of course they can pull their hand away if you don't trap it first in a writstlock. Of course they will pull their arm away if you don't trap it first in an arm bar.
Only just beginning my BJJ journey (3 class, no stripe white belt) and come from a Hapkido background (BJJ Brown Belt equivalent) and Hapkido is ALL about the wrist locks and joint manipulation. However, from white through to black, we have the same principle - Catch it fast and ease it on slow. Nothing worse than a wrist lock being cranked on by someone with no control nor technique.
Toe holds are the wrist locks of the feet, change my mind
Toe hold is more a kimura of the foot
Na heel hooks
Nice username sir. Subscribed.
Toe holds are finger locks. Ankle locks are wrist locks.
Maybe that’s why I like them 😆
I remember the first time I was wrist lock. I was trying to escape guard while one of my hands was being locked down. Next thing I hear is “you’re very flexible” followed by pain. I didn’t even know what was going on
i dont think ive ever related to something so much
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That happened when I got choked with the gi when I was holding the guy in the air I was like why am I choking I put him down gently and tapped lol. Thats when I learned u can use gi for submissions
Wrist locks, Heel hooks and pressure, my game in a nutshell.
dragonballjiujitsu leg locks ftw!!!! Other people think it’s cheap, but the POINT of bjj is learning how to best utilize your own body. If certain techniques work better for you, they’re valid. Period.
Fuuuu sounds like hell lol
FuxYeahh 🤙
leg locks rule
You are evil...
I had a bad experience as a white belt, some heavy dude grabbed my hand put all his weight on my wrist gooseneck style, it wasn't even a real wrist lock there was no elbow control it was just a dick move and it hurt a lot. Wrist locks are like heelhooks though, with control and respect for your training partner they're fun as hell.
@tyvek05 yes It is,when you are at the gym you don't throw subs without technique,you can hurt your training partner,and now nobody wants to spar with you
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tyvek05 that kinda mind set causes injuries and makes you the guy nobody wants to roll with
If your elbow and forearm could have moved, then you would have gotten out of it. So it sounds like your opponent did have your arm trapped somehow... and you just didn't like it.
@@Marxorz he was a white belt and the guy was probably stronger than him, like the guy above said, this mindset leads to injuries
A black belt jammed a wrist lock on me hard, out of nowhere, as a no stripe white belt. That felt cheap and personal. Not because I "lost" but just due to our experience difference and how hard he did it. At the very least, it made me aware of that possibility.
That’s absolutely wrong to do. Sorry that happened to you.
You made a great point about locking it in fast and then submitting slow. I've been out for about 5 years and just now getting back in, but my old gym had a judo guy who was awesome at wrist locks. The problem was none of knew anything about them or how to defend and he did them so fast it really hurt. We had to learn to tap fast and defend and he had to learn to go slow with the sub.
during my blue belt ceremony I took so many wristlocks that I couldn't write by hand for three days lol. They're pretty legit, man , they hurt!
The one guy at my gym is immune to wrist locks, hes extremely flexible and can fold his hands way past the way they are supposed to go Haha
Same
@Follow the howl not to be an arse, but isn't akido a loaf of balls?
@@mezzuna the wrist locks are probably the most legit part if any. The rest of the style, meh.
my arms do that xD
If you can’t flex or hyperextend the wrist, add a spiral to it (while its lock out) and effect the radius and ulna for the lock.
Could you make a tutorial for wrist locks off collar grips? THANK YOU CHEWYYY 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I'm glad you added the last part of finishing slow. My biggest issue with wrist locks is that people seem to feel like the only way they work is by smash finishing them.
Most fun roll I ever had was when I was recovering from a neck injury and told a brown belt that he could only win by wrist locking my strong arm.
@@jollyrogerexperience Good luck bjj bro! I had a herniated disc that destroyed all my strength in my left arm. I was lucky enough to avoid surgery. I wish you the best on recovery.
I remember hearing a purple shout proudly, "I don't care! I'll leg lock a white belt!" For some ppl, anything goes at any time against anyone.
Thats fucked up Lol
Was he able to land those leg locks on colored belts?
My Purple belt coach lets me and the other high white belts use leg locks while rolling
Sonic Fx that’s a really stupid idea lol. Good way to get someone’s knee injured and ruin their training. Purple belt coach? Ahhhh it all makes sense now lol.
I'm a white belt and I don't mind people putting leg locks and heel hooks on me as long as they don't go mad like they're trying to take my limbs home as souvenirs
2 simple rules of the bad sport.
1) Anything that beats me is cheating.
2) Anything I win with is legit.
I am also a high wizard belt in Tae-Bo
I've trained in Jiu-Jitsu for awhile now and I always had the impression that wrist locks, knuckling, grinding and smashing were cheating and/or dirty Jiu-Jitsu.....now I know that wrist locks aren't playing dirty I will incorporate them into my game
Well said Chewy, I love your channel. Wrist locks aren't dirty or cheap, but I've definitely seen (and felt) people applying wristlocks like they're going for a championship belt- no control or warning, just full force applied. Use 'em, but don't ruin someone's training for the next few weeks; that's just stupid.
First time hearing this. And I've been a heavy heavy keyboard studier for several years now. Thanks from Texas!
Brother I had my first jujitsu session today and my teacher showed us some wrist locks today your videos helped me fight the fear of the unknown and walk through those doors I told my teacher I know it's going to be long and hard and I HAVE TO EMBRACE THE SUCK. Thanks brother and God Bless you. You are doing amazing work chewie peace brother
do you still train bro?
I tell chicks the same thing😅
"If you get really good at wrist locks, people are afraid to touch you."
Me: Imma learn em all
So TRUE. My instructor was an incredible wrist locker and after awhile I didn't want to lay a hand on him. Super effective.
To me, the thing about wristlocks is that in a friendly non-competitive roll they come across as kind of win at all costs, "I'll just grab this wristlock so I can say I won." And I think that's where the "prison rules" joke comes from. It's like if someone goes for wristlocks OK this is no longer a friendly round where we're both working on things, it is A-game full speed winning time.
Love this!! Glad a man of authority said this - I’m one of those guys - came from Kindai Ryu JJ & Hapkido background with tons of wristlocks - I had to make some serious adjustments for the ground though….glad you gave the warning about slowing down the finish…easy to damage the wrist - You’re awesome 👏, Chewy
The school I train at has always been open to all subs since the beginning and we have a very solid purple belt who has used wrist locks on all of us since the start. Flash forward 3 and a bit years and now I use them frequently and we all watch for the because of how quick and sneaky they can be
Use them all the time. It's the upper body heelhook.
@Zac Zoidis K
This is a difficult one. Although they are very effective in my experience they are hard to pull off once you get sweaty and slippery. But when someone does get you with a wristlock you need to tap fast. It isn't a very forgiving submission. Btw Chewy you are one of the guys who made me want to start uploading videos too. First one is on my channel and hopefully there are going to be more soon.
Wrist locks is not cheating in my opinion, but they cause many injuries and bruising. When you have control and are able to get the wrist lock and let it go during your roll, then this is the most ideal because you know its there and you are able to go for it without risking injury to your rolling partners. Remember, a team member that is injured is one less body to help you improve your rolling game! Not worth injuries.
In my experience wrist locks often get applied too fast, by the time there is a tap injury has already occurred. The wrist is an incredibly intricate joint and injuries can be tough. For that reason I am very careful to apply them and weary of those hunting for wrists.
I never really submit teammates with wrist locks. I'll catch it and giggle, then just let it go and keep rolling. I've found that certain wrist locks, you really do have to hit it harder and faster for it to work, so I try to avoid inflicting pain - expect for that one blue belt. You know who you are!
Same here lol, show it and let them work out, but if it's him I'll push it
I am a beginner white belt. I was soundly beating another white belt largely due to my weight advantage when he totally cranked a wrist lock on me (more like the goose neck by your description). Kind of pissed me off as he went 0-60 immediately and hurt my wrist. I am ashamed to say I responded by wrenching my arm free and basically just mushing his face into the mat for the remaining 20 seconds of the round in retaliation. That said, my wrist still hurts several weeks later to the point that doing push-ups is painful. I’m guessing that he injured something in my wrist.
In my opinion, if someone taps me with something in training, it is a legit technique. There is no such thing as "cheating" in my opinion because if I get into a life or death self defense struggle on the street, my attacker is not going to abide by the rules of the IBJJF. It is my job to be able to defend whatever might come my way.
When I was actively training BJJ ~10 years ago, people would literally not want to roll with me because they thought of the wrist lock as dirty or whatever. One even commented and said that it was against MMA rules to do so. I reminded him that I wasn't playing MMA. He was added to the list of not wanting to play. Eventually I just up and left BJJ because for such a wide array of practitioners to consider them dirty grappling or whatever is a great disservice. The whole idea of BJJ is self defense grappling, not sportive grappling. I moved on to other things since then and haven't given BJJ a real thought since.
I feel so much better as a 240 lb man wrist locking the new girl at Jiu Jitsu a week or so ago hahaha
Ah a W is a W lmao
pff
She gonna learn😂🤣
You showed her!
@Ajax Aidy And she never forgot the mayo again.
I’m a white belt and I don’t know many wrist locks and white belts are not allowed to use those in my gym but I think that if you get wrist locked you got caught lackin’ and that’s fair.
People also forget where jiu jitsu came from...Japanese ju jutsu is FULL of wrist locks because the aim historically was often to prevent someone drawing a dagger or short sword or concealed weapon or to make them drop one. It is a very central part of the traditional heritage. So - not in any way cheating, more like remembering another facet of the infinite art of jiu jitsu. I am a filthy wristlocker!
I love wristlocks. I am a 4th degree purple, under ken lee, and mike fowler. I do show them to striped white belts who are ready for promotion to blue. But never apply pressure beyond the "thats uncomfortable" feeling.
when I was a three-month white belt, I got wrist-locked by my purple belt coach that was practicing to develop those submissions.
It hurt so bad that I couldn’t do a regular push-up for 8 months because everytime i place my palm down and weight on the wrist, there was a nerve pinch (like a carpel tunnel syndrome) effect. I still have to do a knuckle push-up till this day (out of fear that the ‘nerve pinch’ will come back) and type on the keyboard with my the non-wrist locked hand occasionally.
that's pretty shitty. Just a passing question, has this coach hurt anyone else?
Merrick no, he’s actually a really good guy and feels terrible about it, and i was never mad at him about it
since then, he stopped wrist locking people altogether because he didn’t want long term injuries on his partners.
it’s just one of those things that it’s hard to do a controlled submission to give someone a chance to tap.
Nerve pain is the worst. the sharp pain comes spontaneously when you are asleep and the wrist supprt brace doesn’t really help
@@nghinguyen875 Sounds awful. Any physical therapy or therapeutic massage? Nerve damage is so difficult to treat.
@Merrick it’s better now with massaging the surrounding area , just can’t bend the wrist back at a full right angle
there is nerve pain blocking medications such as Lyrica or Neurontin but i didn’t want to go that route
when we do warm ups, i look like a little b**** doing push-ups with my knuckles and knees on the mat
@@nghinguyen875 knuckle push ups look bad ass, don't believe otherwise
We don't do wrist locks in sparring because it's sudden, an injury can keep you out of training for months, and it's harder to do with gloves on.
Some folks forget that bjj isn't a turn-based game, its real time. Fast or sneaky attacks when done with technique and control are to be respected and feared just as much as anything.
Wrist locks are legal for adult white belts at grappling industries events. It says it directly on the legal techniques page. So I don’t think it’s cheating, I think people don’t like being surprised.
I like wristlocks and leg locks, but I'll only work them with certain partners, and they know beforehand that I may catch one.
Got wrist locked by a brown belt as a white belt, the pain came after the break, no warning. My wrist still pops now 18months later. Cheers brown belt.
I've had the exactly the same experience. I still dont understand the need for this kind of technique against someone who barely knows how to apply a fucking armbar.
I do plumbing and hvac, and work 10 hours a day. If my wrists are hurt and I can't perform my job functions because someone can't perform wrist locks in a controlled manner, I will either not roll with them or make sure to get the point across in the roll.
I understand and hear you. But that is true with all joint locks. If someone armbars you or ankle locks you without control, you would equally be unable to do your job.
@@shobukan5555 yes except the wrist is not as easy to defend. Someone slaps an armbar full speed you still have biceps and the other arm helping it from popping and you can adjust your body, and ankles you can kick thru, push legs off jump over, ect to escape. You also have more time to be able to tap.
That being said yea all submissions should be done with controlled manner, and don't have loose wrists.
In RTS games, we say there's asymmetry in the gameplay in these types of situations. In general, though, for example, if it is exponentially easier for the defender or the attacker to deal with the situation than the other side's perspective, it's said to be bad for the meta or the game as a whole. For example, in Starcraft 2, Protoss is generally regarded as much easier race for noobs since it requires much less APM, and it is therefore very much criticized at the higher levels for the lack of effort you need to put to manage it.
I played Terran in SC2.
Interesting! In a video game, the fun of the game itself is the point. I understand structuring bjj around the most fun meta, but I find structuring it around the best path to victory more interesting. If I wanted the best meta back-and-forth, I would do partner gymnastics.
I do feel bad cheesing imbalances that devs have created in their games, especially when unintended. But I think every imbalance in the human body that can be cheesed, should be cheesed. It's not like a patch is gonna come out and make wristlocks no longer viable!
A brown belt broke my hand wristlocking me on my first month at Jits. This was because I'd swept him and (being a big guy) he was used to mugging people off.
Id broke my other hand a year before with a sketchy punch it's now nearly months later and my hands still aren't 100%.
Ive taken it upon myself to celebrate by learning wrist locks and imparting this knowledge to anyone unfortunate enough to get caught in it. Keep the cycle going an all.
Catch fast, finish slow because I'm not a monster.
I've used wristlocks and let them go. To control movment. And give them something else to worrie about.
Right. So my background is Aikido and when I started BJJ I would just default to wrist locks and was getting some odd looks and reactions from people.
Zareh Kantzabedian I practice Aikido. Did you use nikkyo? Could you make it work?
Nate Walking Nikkyo, Sankyo, Kote Gaeshi, Ikkyo. All of it.
Zareh Kantzabedian that’s very interesting. I’m planning on starting bjj when I’m able to rework my schedule soon.
I learned wrist locks in Kyokushin Karate. I’ve had both of my wrists broken and repaired from contact sports.
If you’re the ‘LOCKEE’ they SUCK!!
For real self defence.......JUST GIVE ‘ER!!
Just my 2 cents Prof/Coach Chewy.
Thanks for your post Sir.
Okay, brother, this is my take.
What level of BJJ are your going to teach? The bottom level deep down includes small joint manipulation to fingers, toes and yes wrists. I personally believe that some people are happy with turning BJJ into an entertainment sport as a great workout however that is NOT what BJJ was designed for. BJJ was designed to save your life, save your possessions and maybe some somebody else's life. It's down low, it's dirty and yes its vicious.
The question comes, how do you train that? Is there a way to train defensive techniques to stop someone from cranking a finger, thumb or yes a toe? Damn hard one to teach there but perhaps it's one session out of the month?
Let's look at the Wiki>BJJ teaches that a smaller, weaker person can successfully defend themself against a bigger, stronger, heavier opponent by using leverage and weight distribution to take the fight to the ground, and then applying joint locks and chokeholds to defeat the opponent.
That doesn't say, let's wait until we can get ourselves a nice elbow or knee or ankle to crank on. Hell, let's include children and smaller or less experienced women who couldn't crank an ankle, elbow, shoulder or knee quite literally to save their lives due to a lack of strength.
If you become a wrist lock specialist after you develop a guard passing game, the ability to advance through pinning positions such as a great knee on belly to side control with high pressure kesa gateme pins and the ability to shift and adjust your position to suck all the wind out of other BJJ players at your level within a reasonable size range, you can mount, take the back, develop a good closed guard and open guard and half guard with active hips that make you hard to control, wrist locks, Advanced downward pressure so that you literally Make all your ontrolled Positions from the side or the mount totally oppressive and hell for anyone who can’t hold your in their guard, you will be a very competent positional player. My opinion is that a dominant positional game with excellent transitions, explosive scrambles, the ability to relax your body and pay attention to your opponents breathing so that every time your opponent breaths out you sink in will totally disrupt most bjj players games. When you have a great tight pass, and a great standing stacking pass and a great toreano type pass, with a great standing takedown game, and incredible top pressure, you will be miserable to compete against, your skills will transfer to MMA better but a weak guard means that a guy with a better top game will always defeat you. LeArn every position and definitely attack and defend but in my experience guys who have great position always get the submissions without forcing them. When you add a serious Leglock and wrist lock game this guy What is the absolute last guy that you want to spar because he is uncomfortable to roll with Without being dangerous or being a dick. He just has the ability to relax and make himself heavier, transition from position to position and use a lot of leverage to his advantage. Guys like this always feel like absolute bulls. Some of them may be strong athletic guys. My experience, however, is that when guys who are very strong athletics for start jujitsu, they try to use strength to force pressure their opponents. This is actually going to make them much lighter and easier to counter. When you are tense and using muscle throughout your torso and lower body while on top, you were actually supporting the weight that should be digging into your opponent. It’s best to stay tight eliminated space but keep your weight evenly distributed and learn to control your breathing and relax and sync your weight every time your opponent result after a while he will be unable to breathe in or out because all of the air is escaped body and you have filled up all the space That one must rely to expand the lungs and breathe. Guys like this are absolute menaces. Strive to have a high pressure type game and also learn how to keep guys from gaining good top position on you which requires your hips to be very active so the guy never can cross his hips and waist over your stomach and chest because if you can do this you won’t be breathing very long and you will actually be giving the girl your arm or neck just to get it over with. Wrist locks are just another way to make positional grapplers hell to spar. I guess the message here is learn how to be an animal of position and don’t just be some guy that tries to catch people in the submissions because your skills will be limited and you will never rise to a very high level.
ill never forget the first time i was wrist locked. i was a white belt training for like 3 months. i was rolling with a black belt and were standing. i grabbed his lapel and he grabbed my elbow and pushed his chest into my wrist. i was so confused. i didn't even know wrist locks were a thing. i guess there's no better way to learn tho lol
I’ve had wrist locks put on me, and honestly they aren’t bad submissions to learn how to guard against at the very least. Nothing dirty about them at all. Like any submission as long as you aren’t cranking them and you respect the tap it should be fine.
Thats the biggest thing dont be out there trying to hurt your sparring partner
My opinion as a Hapkido guy (looking into BJJ as an outsider) is this is something that is cheating with lower belts, but not with higher belts. Just like leg locks. If I were going into a BJJ school, I would ask "are wristlocks okay?" with the people I rolled with, that way they know what's up. Or I may just stick with what they want to teach, because then I could learn the BJJ style the way they want to teach it.
As a Taekwondo guy, we have different sparring rules based on your age and belt level. We don't have purple belts going for head kicks, so if a purple belt is doing head kicks then it's not good for the other students.
BigErn_Mccraken no matter what he practices what he says is legit. You don’t have a purple belt throw a head kick just as you don’t have a purple belt wrist lock a white belt
@@fangerboardin4741 I'm now a year into BJJ training. I've decided I'm going to wait until blue belt to start chasing wristlocks. But I did have a brown belt wristlock me, right in front of our Professor. I (jokingly) called him out for it. Professor just goes, "Two more stripes you gotta learn, might as well start now" and walked away.
I think people call them cheating because they work well, are hard to defend against, and are rarely trained. It would be like somebody in my guard reaching up and doing some sort of nose lock(if that existed). If I had to tap, my indignation would come from me internally saying "What was that? We don't do that here! That's not a thing!"
I know aikido isn't a practical martial art, but if you want to learn wrist locks, cross train in aikido, especially yoshinkan.
In my direct experience using wrist locks in security they only work if you can apply them before the person is able to resist, once past a certain point they are hard to escape especially if you put the persons elbow on your body for much greater leverage. But if you tell someone you are going to wrist lock them and they tense up their wrist before you do it then its pretty difficult to apply it.
I've been caught with a few wristlocks recently as a new white belt training in a new center… I think for me the reason they feel cheap is because the margin between okay you have the position, and really hurting someone is very narrow with wristlocks compared to a full arm bar or a shoulder lock or even an elbow lock or a choke hold. You can go from zero pain to extreme pain (and possible significant injury) in a much shorter window and there's less time to tap. I've had another white belt with a few stripes really drive one home on me a few times and it feels cheap because he can't get anything else and ends up hurting his training partner... in this case me. I don't think I would feel this way if for example I got caught with one and my training partner had enough control and training maturity to lock it up without going too far and causing significant pain / injury. I'd feel the same way if someone went ham with no regard for avoiding injury on any other submission as well.
I remember when Leg Lockers we're called Lazy and/or Desperate, and Body Screws were considered Witch Craft in most schools.
Our gym has a sea of new blues... there's an unofficial bounty on wrist locks.
Heck yeah. I love to wrist lock or attack the arms when someone gets to my back. They end up worrying to defend their own limbs even though they are in a better position. (Escape is still Plan A but sometimes their leg hooks are better than their hand grips).
Preface: white belt bjj background in jjj, wrist locks are nothing new to me, but I don't use them when rolling unless I am rolling with a higher belt and they go for once first.
I was rolling with a blue belt, and wasn't expecting it, but he went for a wrist lock on me. I managed to slip out of it I think two times in the roll. I talked to him after the roll just noting that he really likes wrist locks and he laughed saying "I am the 1%!"
Anyway, with the next round of rolling we ended up failing to grab new partners in time so ended up together again. Again, he continuously went to wrist lock me, but I think he was frustrated with not being able to wrist lock me in the first round, he came onto the next wrist lock super fast and hard and sure enough got it, but it ended up tweaking my wrist too hard that for the next two months gripping a door knob or trying to open a jar hurt. Wrist lock slowly.
This here is a truly passionate man
I've heard "small joint manipulation" is typically illegal in jiu jitsu competitions, for example grabbing 2 fingers and just breaking them. Wrist locks aren't against the rules clearly, but i feel they're stigmatized for being similar to small joint manipulations.
I learned them in aikido and put them on guys in Bjj all belts . Nobody was ever happy especially the black belts . I am a purple . Great video Chewy
With joint locks I go with the all is fair in love and war. You love your roll mates and go to war in competition. The love part is teaching your mates how to handle those locks and in war you are there to win.
what do i do about training partners that just refuse to do anything but go hard, i hate when im trying to go slow and they're clawing at my face and smashing my chin with their forehead everytime i pull guard. and if i try to post hip escape out they drop their weight for a cheap haphazard wrist lock. not to mention all the times i think theyre going for a choke and failing and they just crush my face until i tap
(im fairly skilled but i must mention im only 14 years old going to all adult classes)
Bjj is learning how to fight for self defense. Don't ever forget that is the #1 reason it exists. Anything goes in a fight. That being said, if a big guy is judt smashing me then he should expect me to start using pressure points. The point is when i roll with a chick, even a blackbelt chick, i could easly muscle her till she can't do anything. But we're not there to win, we're there to learn. So technique should be king. Save smashing and other things that aren't really bjj but work, for the streets.
Wrist locks! They seem to share the same negative light as leg locks. Great vid man super informative of something rarely touched on.
at what size joint do we draw the line? why aren't pressure point attacks allowed? pinching, indian burns? Where do we draw the line Chewy?!?!?!
The line for joint size in bjj rules is fingers- too easy to break.
Pinching and pressure points are legal in high level competition, but we don't use them in training because it would make rolling suck for all but the most masochistic. And for competition, they aren't that effective, since many people can ignore pain. If a joint is broken, they can't ignore that.
These are good questions, in my mind they all have easy answers!
Wrist locks,* if trained properly*, are not too dangerous, more effective than pressure points and pinching and need not make rolling a shitty experience.
"People get really worried about Touching you."
Interesting...
Thats why i dont shower before training
Former wrestler, against bjj guys of all belts during sparring , I find it easy to catch people in cradles and it’s engraved in my muscles to notice and take them, what are transitions from that position to enhance it
Wrist locks are great.
It's up to me be to be aware.
It's like guard pulling. I talk a lot of sass about it... yet its great for some folks.
Love the incorporating of competition footage.
Wrist locks - I think people don't like them because they represent a fail on their part to defend their hand properly. It's a reality check. I go for them when they present - an on higher belts they rarely present. Totally legit submission.
Wrist locks are terrifying
Love the channel 👍
I would be interested to see a bjj practitioner learn nikkyo from aikido and be able to apply it. It’s brutal if you really understand the angles that make it effective.
As a white belt I got wrist locked by a black belt and I couldn't train again for a few months due to wrist pain.
I am about to do my second surgery on my hand due to a cyst tendon because of one single wrist lock in both occasion. Wrist locks are a legit submission, but boy oh boy people are way too d*mb to understand that certain finishes don't need to be smashed
I saw a comment saying that you're in Kentucky, I'm in Kentucky too and was wondering where your gym is at, and also do you have any no gi classes I could check out? I've been doing no gi jiu jitsu and submission wrestling for a few months and I'd love to check out a different gym with different coaches and people
Love this channel. Thank you
It was so weird seeing young chewie whoop and celebrate after a win. Character development haha
Back in 2001, Marc Laimon subbed Ricardo Pires in under 10 seconds with a wristlock (competition)
I’ve seen brown belts yelling and storm out the gym cause of wrist locks. In our gym we don’t start applying wrist locks until blue belt. They do come quickly though lol
When someone gets their blue we always joke “Wrist lock city”
Clicked on this video super fast. I came from a hapkido background before going to bjj, and I took care to not use wrist locks while rolling until one day a high belt started using them on me. I basically got told it was okay, and since then I've been sort of adapting sneaky locks I learned back in the day to a jiu jitsu setting. Sometimes to move someone where I want for a takedown or to take the back, or sometimes just to get them to stop grabbing my wrists. Still feels dirty though so I try not to actually use them as a submission
What's the difference between wrist lock and shoulder lock ankle arm knees lol
In a sportive sense, wrist locks are right up there with toe-holds, which are a very close second to pulling hair or twisting fingers... but that’s just my opinion of course.
Man. . . toe holds if done right will blow your ankle and knee out. They're nasty submissions.
Break the wrist walk away, break the wrist, walk away
Wrist locks like Heel Hooks are part of the traumatic shock pain system ....some react to a wrist lock or heel hook like they’ve touched a hot stove , slow or fast , like knee on liver your opponent’s reaches up to grab collar or lapel you can use your body weight to pressure wrist lock in either the goose neck or handcuff ....like stepping on legos ... shocks the shit out of you. When I rolled, everything in the tool box was allowed . Gracie School Challenger grind .
>If you are good at wrist locks, grapplers will be afraid of touching you.
GOOD.
Submissions are submissions. I get questions alot with the baseball choke from knee on belly..."is it a crank or a choke?"....
"Did they tap?"
Totally. that said, it's worth refining your submissions because while a casual training partner at the gym might tap to pressure and/or pain alone, the same might not apply in competition.
I usually laugh it off, I think it’s hilarious because I shouldn’t have left my hand in a bad spot 😂 it’s just games who cares how you tap, you both get better
Great to know! Thanks
I was blocking a Gi choke and I wrist locked myself... Like an idiot
Wrist locks are a dick move until you know what you're doing and know how to control the body. BJJ Rule #1: Don't hurt your training partner.
People say I cheat doing neck cranks. Makes me sad.
Not good at them all myself, but they're a big part people gotta know.
I didn't like them until J.T. Torres taught our gym a nasty one from top side control.
I think Toe lock/HOLD is the worst. It hurts so much but it would be difficult to do that technique on you Nick since your feet is a little BIGGER.
I dont use them personally on training partners because I've had mine injured a couple times from people wrist locking me years back. I dont think its cheating obviously but if you go for them on me then you acknowledged its game on and we are rolling very hard....
Wrist locking doesn't mean rolling hard. Just as with any other submission, you can choose to do it in a very controlled way without injury. I use wrist locks every time I see an opportunity, sometimes 2..3 wrist lock submissiions in a single roll. I never injured anyone because I do it controlled/slow enough to give them time to tap, but that gives them also more opportunity to escape.
@@FarangNick cool your experience has been different than mine. If it happens to me we are rolling hard.