And their only fighting experience is that one time in school where they got whooped but now they know to aim the groin and eyes, so they'd probably kill the guy in a "real street fight" if it happened again
@@ragecallihan6079 Exactly. I know a lot of folks who talk about "scraps they got into", but when you press them on it, they just suckerpunched someone and thought they were some kind of prison yard badass. My original statement still holds. Folks who brag about "street fights" don't TRAIN in anything.
And yet, a percentage of them will quite easily and readily kill you or anyone who does train in something. Guerilla warfare is and always has been terribly effective because people who "train" are training for other people who train. Someone whose goal is to meet a threat they've trained for is no match for someone whose goal is to end their life, or even to end a confrontation. All the average person needs is a cursory knowledge of anatomy, a few basic moves practiced to achieve muscle memory, and enough stress to react violently. The egotist who spends years in a gym arguing about how their training is superior to all others dies in that matchup almost every time.
@@Chewjitsu Yeah, I talked to her. She had a black belt in BJJ and loved pain. She believed the sick must suffer like Christ on the cross, which is why she did not have medical care, systematic diagnosis, necessary nutrition and sufficient analgesics for those in pain. She crushed it on those weekly meetings in her clinic. There's some awesome Video-8 material of her.
@@raphaelsanft5086 I haven't been able to find anything that backed up your statement. Where did she train? Who awarded her, her black belt? There is nothing in her profile that states that she ever trained in any martial arts. Where are these "awesome videos" of her training that you stated exist??? Your quote is bullshit, can't find it anywhere were she said it. People are such easy suckers. Less than 5 mins of searching proved this to be complete B/S.
@@raphaelsanft5086 Nope, just a normal person that called out some bullshit. If it was a joke, then insert "sarcasm" somewhere, anywhere in the comment. This is the internet bro, people don't know who you are, can't detect tone, and have no idea when you are trying to be funny....
theres a great military saying for this. "in combat, nobody rises to the occasion. everybody drops to the level of their training. be the best trained."
Yes it can become a weakness, when you become overconfident in your abilities. Then you get shot or stabbed one day. Most people are not black belt and BJJ is not going to save you. MMA maybe yes.
@@chrisreaves6399 strongly disagree with every fight ends up on the ground. Most fights I've seen whether thru my job or drunks fighting on the street have always been standing and striking
Actualy kyokishin made my guard lazy as you can’t punch to the face :) When I sparred my Muay Thai friend I noticed how open my defense was. Plus lowkicks are beast too
@@derekchow7497 Being overconfident is not a Jiu jitsu problem, that's a mental problem. If you don't realize the dangers out there just because you know jiu jitsu, that says more about your IQ than your ability to fight. Honestly, your logic is completely flawed. You're saying don't learn Jiu jitsu because you'll get overconfident in your abilities 😂😂
If the Boxer lands a clean punch to the face, it’s game over for the BJJ fighter. If the BJJ fighter gets the boxer to the ground, it’s game over for the boxer.
@@Masterdebater14 Most fights I see, people don't intervene unless it's to break it up. But yeah definitely wanna stay up in a street fight but not knowing what to do on the ground is REALLY dangerous
I am 27, about 2 and a half years have passed since I got into BJJ and few weeks ago I got into first street fight in my life. I did everything not to start but it did. Placed a grip onto his jacket, took him down and, while still on my feet, RNChoked him and said to stop or he's going to sleep. The "fight" was over. No injuries for either one of us, no going to court. I'm not going to talk about other martial arts but BJJ is great way to finish a fight in a way that would be the best for both of you when you get up the next morning.
I also think we forget that people who train any combat sport are rare but even rarer are those who practice it in a high intensity situation like rolling or competing. I think some people get used to the idea of every roll being tough because you’re fighting dudes with skills. The guy who wants to fight in the street is likely going to be like every brand new meathead who walks in off the street only to get trapped by a female blue belt a bunch of times during one roll.
i've been doing muay thai for 2 years and i'm very interested in doing jiu jitsu so i did kind of an mma sparring session with my friend who is a bjj blue belt and i saw how effective jiu jitsu can be in fighting so i decided to take my first class on monday very excited
Jordi Bakker you can't compare them,totally different.Bjj is on the ground fighting while boxing is stand up fighting,i would recommend to train mma tho.U become a complete fighter
Lads it’s simple just check your gym’s timetable. Attend when BJJ is on the schedule and attend when boxing is on the schedule. Then when MMA is on the schedule you can incorporate the two. Also, I lift 4 days a week which is Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday which I do in the mornings. Lift in the morning, fight in the evening. Easy as that.
Coming from a dude that was born and raised in east Baltimore in a very tough neighborhood. Been "Street" fighting my whole life, weight lifting as early as high school, and transitioning to traditional training, jiu-jitsu, boxing, and mui tai, I can tell you from experience, anything... Whatever form of training that you do can be applied in a street fight. It's all a mental thing though if you don't have heart and the ability to relax, then nothing is gonna be effective, even boxing. You get hit by someone swinging crazy and out of control or if you panic in close proximity, you will be overwhelmed with sloppy strikes, trust I me know😅
@@dudleyanderson9372 yes sir sorry about that. Look up Focal Cortical Dysplasia I believe it's spelled that way, I am not trying to play victim, but that is why sometimes when autocorrect just spells random shit I forget to go back and correct it. I've had 21 partial seizures since November, my neurologists and therapist say I do a pretty good job speaking and spelling giving the circumstances.
If your trained none of things should happen. Hence the training. Don't consider yourself a fighter unless you fight on the ring. Otherwise your just a man hitting pads. GG on your recovery tho
To be honest I'm reading all the comments and going "how are all these people routinely getting into fights? I've never even seen a fight irl". Public transport is also pefectly safe in the places I have lived (mostly in France and Switzerland).
You cannot predict a street fight. 1 on 1, or 10 against one. Rorion gracie said “a street fight is never what you expect it to be or what you want it to be. It simply is”
@@J0J0Zx you should prepare for everything. If your getting jumped I doubt they are going to ask if you prefer standing. I'd rather know how to avoid a takedown and escape a bad position to get back to my feet. You learn that in jiu jitsu.
@@tyleroldham4676 If you have multiple attackers you must use striking. If you try to grapple against multiple attackers you will end up getting your head stomped in
@gun jack Any ONE... The issue is their buddy you didn't know was there takes you out when you are down with them... Wrestling is highly valuable, but you need to put them down while retaining your feet and then GTFO.
It's very situational in this case though. You won't always be fighting on concrete or pavement. In fact, you should absolutely avoid fighting on concrete, for any reason, for all time. That's how people die. Not to mention the potential CTE.
47 year old ex-professional boxer and coach here. I've done 4 classes of jiu jitsu now and I'm addicted. As a white belt I've sparred with people who've taken me to the ground and could easily have submitted me and tied me up in knots within seconds, and it was a real eye opener! Boxing IS a huge advantage in a street fight as it takes away the element of the unknown, gives you a good sense of timing and develops good power BUT once on the ground if you have no ground game it's anybody's fight to win. A boxer on the ground against someone who knows what they're doing? Game over for the boxer - I found that out after being submitted by a 16 year old blue belt. I'm too old for street fighting now, but if I was ever in a position where I had no choice, I'd be happy that I could box AND knew a little jiu jitsu.
totally agree with you! I'm in my 50's and learned how to fight starting in grade school after getting picked on a lot. Wrestled 4 years in high school and then did professional kickboxing in my 20's for several years. Learned a few bjj finishes back then from grapplers at our kickboxing gym, and now I'm working thru the Gracie Combatives program. I prefer to avoid fights and I can't count on going 10 rounds without getting tired at my age, so learning jiu jitsu just in case I ever need it.
"Boxing is a contest of character and ingenuity. The boxer with more will, determination, desire, and intelligence is always the one who comes out the victor.” - *Cus D'Amato*
I almost actively learning muay thai boxing and bjj(gi/nogi)all in the same gym wirh different instuctors. Muay thai being my weakest. Boxers and muay thaj practitioners do cross train to improve their game. Im telling u most boxer would have major problem chrcking those leg kicks. Boxer against bjj? The moment u miss the chance to knock him out and he caught u in a clinch range its almost over. In clinch range ur punch will have no nough power to knock him out. I dont do wrestling but im telling u those takedowns on concrete floors against boxers in street fight? Boxing is beautiful but honestly, its not gonna work if you cant defend takedowns.
The social aspect behind applying jui-jitsu is important to keep in mind. A guy may be willing to watch his friend lose a fight he started but someone will probably decide to intervene violently if you are bending someone and they start screaming.
Thanks for keeping it real. I see alot of comments bit none stating that you cant put more than one person in an armbar at a time. Atleast with boxing ypu can stun a few and run or knock a few out.
This is a good point. I think with blokes especially, there's sort of levels to violence and once a punch has been thrown the fight has gone to its most serious level. To punch another human full in the face isn't a particularly nice feeling. At least bjj gives you the opportunity to get someone in a hold and say "woah i think we should all just chill a little bit!" Before risking serious injury and potential legal repercussions
@@cooljool1 it depends. Im 6 3 280lbs and in bjj there's older smaller guys who can tie me in knots in their sleep. If someone was being a aggressive spazz but not quite violent you probably wouldn't need to get a choke or submission. Side control, mount or a back take while you wait for them to see sense or help to arrive is a good option
My steps are Plan A: Try to avoid unneeded commotion Plan B: If not being avoided try to say calm and get the person involved calm Plan C: If it doesn’t work and you get striked at take down and controle to get opponent calm Plan D: Plan C doesn’t work just choke out the treat and defend yourself own safety first
@@baka9099 choking someone to sleep can be attempted murder, even if its self defense i wouldn't recommend choking in a street fight ( a joint lock would work better for legal reasons)
100% of people who say jiu jitsu (or any form of legit martial arts used by pro fighters) is useless in a street fight have never been in one & do not train at all.
@@TheChocolateChamp Respectfully in a one on one scenario Jiu Jitsu works as effectively as anything else. Outside of that when there's multiple attackers there's no style that's going to save you. So let's treat this at face value. Some idiot is trying to box you up and you're any level of competent in Jiu Jitsu, or grappling in general, and he's done. Some idiot and two of his buddies are trying to box you up, you could be a professional at whatever combat sport and you get swarmed, drug to the ground and stomped until they decide they don't want to stomp you anymore. That's the realism of both situations.
Unfortunately this is a never-ending debate. I respect all opinions, however, from my experience I believe nothing is absolute, especially against multiple attackers attacking at the same time. The best self defense will always be avoidance.
@@dankymemerson237 this is true but I've personally seen fights where one guy beats or is able to defend himself against multiple attackers with just his two hands. I've never seen one where a guy beat multiple people with just grappling. We are on RUclips we can just watch dozensof vids proving this point. And there are plenty of fights we can look up where the fight ends off the first punch.
Definitely one of the most valuable aspects I’ve encountered in the few street fights I’ve been in since training in combat sports. Is the comparison in athleticism, most people will beat themselves from getting tired in the first 10 seconds
I agree that a combination of stand-up (boxing) and grappling (BJJ ) is best. It prepares for where fights start (up), and where they can go (down). When I first started taking Tae-Kwon-Do years ago, my instructor told me that I would get used to getting hit. I thought he was crazy at first. Later I found out that he was completely right. You learn to block, take hits, roll with punches, etc. It make a big difference.
@@givetheymeantake Comments like yours are completely asinine. The fuck would you let them up for. No I'm gonna hold you there until the cops show up. Or just choke you out the hold you there till they show up. Depends on your level of resistance.
Does it work if there's more than person?! I'd think being able to box, with modest bjj skills in the best combination on the streets. Because defending yourself against multiple punches you can spend your time just grappling.... Anyways your thoughts? Ever seen or been in a situation where BJJ is only so useful?
I want to learn jujutsu so badly.Ive been battling depression for over a year, because of my hard past of being bullied. and I still have to deal with the physical abuse I endured.I need to survive, and it looks like jujutsu is the real deal. Much love to this art!
The action of working on something difficult to better yourself will help with the depression. Training Muay Thai for me has done wonders for my mental health.
@@smugcat6938 Im doing it now, its a mixed gym where they teach muay thai, judo, bjj etc. Different classes all in the same gym Bjj does a lot good to my mental health. It just helps me increase my focus, patience, tolerance and hardwork. Ans thats what makes my mind more occupied with something thata helpful to me(bjj) instead of wasting my time overthinking and loading my mind with negative thoughts making me more depressed.
Echoes my thoughts exactly. Just started teaching my kids Jiu Jitsu about a month ago for self defense skills. A couple sessions in I started thinking they're gonna need some boxing, too. Now I see this. Good video. Keep it up, God bless.
This is why I love your content Chewy. Your a great guy, and honest with your viewers and yourself. BJJ certainly works, but you have to feel the pressure of someone trying to punch you in the face as well. Boxing works but if you dont know how to prevent someone from taking you down, then you will be ignorant on what happens once taken there. Traditional Martial Arts in many settings can work as well but if their training environment has little to no actual pressure testing then they will also have no idea how to react once they start throwing hands. Love your down to earthdescriptions. Great video bud.
Not necessarily, there’s plenty of styles. You can mix plenty of style to be a “complete fighter”. BUT, bjj is good just by itself. Especially against non-fighters and boxers, becuz they lack ground game
@@tamamalosi lol that's funny but you know what? Working as a bouncer for such a long time I've come to find out most people are much softer than you realize 😂😂
Totally agree, just Check ancient onlympic games in grece had only boxing and wrestling (when it. Comes to fighting styles) and they used it to win wars....
The one thing i appreciated about my short time training at Derby City martial arts is that the curriculum incorperates boxing , kickboxing, MMA,and wrestling. I learned so much being there. Chewy is one of the most humble instructors i trained under. If i moved back to Louisville i would train there.
True but alot of bjj stuff leaves you open to getting punched in the face honestly. I still do bjj but unless you are up there belt wise you can still get beat pretty easily.
There’s holes in everything. If you know strictly boxing and never train wrestling or jiu jitsu or muay thai you’re potentially in for a really rough awakening if you pick a fight with the wrong person. I’m not advocating berimbolos and guard pulling on pavement, but the ground game basics has proven to be a total necessity in mma for a reason
@@TheChocolateChamp this is another common misconception, it s actually not that hard to overhook so u cant get punched and belts dont matter skillz do
@@jordansierhuis4152 yeah i get that but your bjj does change alot when someone could just as easily head butt you or stick a thumb in your eye or bite a chunk of your ear, lip, face off etc. How much will your bjj help if you're at a bar/club and 1-3 guys have a problem with you and you're with your girl? Can't tell guys to line up so you can arm bar them one at a time lol. And I'm saying this cause i know people who've gone through it, trying to put one guy in a lock then got knocked out by that guys friend cause he was on the floor totally occupied with one person, luckily they didn't keep beating on him after they knocked him out.
Fair fight, it works great. If your jumped by more than one guy, than boxing is better. It keeps you on your feet, and keeps you moving . That's the main advantage of boxing..
Completely agree, you don't want to be stuck on the ground if someone pulls a weapon either. If you are attacked in the street and you are a good striker, just quickly pop em and run away.
You can use the standing techniques of juicing jitsu to maneuver yourself to good positions, then your striking arts when opportunities present themselves.
Boxing dosen't teach you how to stay on your feet. Your opponent dosen't try to take you to the ground and if any grappleing is starting, the referee will separate you. Wrestleing will teach you how to stay on feet.
Stress inoculation is really the main reason I am doing BJJ at 55. I try to learn what I can and improve, but I really go for the roll. And I feel really alive!
He is right most systems that involve sparring have value, what i would add though is treet situations often involve multiple opponents. I have seen many 1 v 2 and 1 v 3 situations (and higher) where punches were used successfully against multiple opponents, i have never seen someone choke out 3 people at once.
No but the joint locks, throws, and takedowns you can learn in BJJ really help. What helps even more in that situation is the ability to resist being successfully grabbed yourself. I see BJJ similar to how I see boxing--its incomplete by itself but strikers are incomplete without some kind of grappling training. I recommend training both striking and grappling for these reasons. If you look at historical martial arts from both Asia and Europe they all incorporated both grappling and striking both--though the striking often took the form of a weapon. Lastly there's another point I'd like to make. You listed a very valid situation but allow me to list one that is also common: not wanting to seriously injure an opponent in a fight. Most altercations in real life aren't serious enough to call for serious violence. It's drunk or angry guys picking fights, someone trying to steal something without a weapon, someone badly harassing someone, etc. BJJ excels in the aspect that it allows someone to control the amount of force used in a situation and render someone harmless without inflicting serious and intentional injury on them. Plenty of people who rightfully used martial arts have been punished in a court of law because they used too much force for the situation. I've trained Taekwondo and Muay Thai myself. I can incapacitate someone with a nice round kick to the liver--but I might break their rib in the process and get sued. That's why I'm starting BJJ soon.
@@CoffeeSnep I don't disagree, i have no problem with BJJ, i train it myself, just pointing out that for multiple opponents striking is probably a little better.
Good video!! It's very true, 100% sparring is the best training. I've used my wrestling and judo training in street fights and working as a security guard. Don't let anyone tell you they don't work in the real world.
Both wrestling and Judo are more effective in street fight than BJJ because they both start from a standing position and both are based around getting dominance from standing. BJJ mixed with wrestling or Judo is very effective. I would suggest wrestling and BJJ. The weakness with grappling is that an opponent can have friends that jump in when you are tangled up.
Great point. Most BJJ practitioners who say it's the best for a fight have have never been in a real fight. I've got a lot of respect for door staff and security workers because they confront ACTUAL DANGER, not a simulated 'chess match' of a fight and one thing you never see them do is go the the ground!
@@bighands69 You have clearly never trained in BJJ, in a street fight scenario they don't teach you to just grab the guy and fall or to even go to the ground. That is fucking stupid to think, you can use your BJJ to...GASP.....stay standing. You realize they teach things from the standing too right? Like sweeps, fucking crazy right? It's almost like if you actually did that you would know that and not spew the same garbage about oh jujitsu isnt good cause you go to the ground....No we can adjust....
@@bighands69 Also Jujistsu doesn't start on the ground....That proves you know nothing about BJJ. Minus 5 minute clips on youtube... BJJ derives from Japanese Jujitsu (Judo) so guess what we can use... A fucking hip toss or any other standing move or leverage to keep up standing.
@@bigbay1159 There is no competitive aspect to BJJ stand up. Some will even go out and in competition and give up their back straight away. You cannot do that in wrestling and in Judo first of all because they will penalize you second of all an opponent can pin you for a score which is not the same in BJJ. I have been doing wrestling and Judo since I was a very young child. I have been doing BJJ for near to 15 years. If I wanted to I could in a BJJ match not go to the ground at all and just stand up with many competitors and keep them locked up. Now I will not do that to the best of the best.
I've been in several street fights growing up and I can tell you some fights end up throwing punches and some go to the ground. It depends on the people fighting.
*Having the knowledge of both will always benefit. You can crack someone's jaw while standing. Or if the fight goes to the ground, you'll know how to choke someone out. Or at the very least, know how to "defend" if they are trying to choke you, so you can efficiently break out of it and get back to your feet. But if one can only learn one of the two, boxing is definitely more useful. BJJ is ONLY good in 1v1 situations. Boxing leaves you mobile to take on more than 1 person, or the opportunity to run if you're heavily outnumbered.*
Very well said Chew. The pillars: some type of grappling with live sparring...bjj, judo, wrestling... PLUS some type of striking with live sparring...boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai.
I am a boxing coach and my friend from high school was a wrestler/ coach. We would have this conversation often. I said the best martial art would be boxing/ wrestling combination. This was back in 1986...then MMA came along decades later.
Your advice is valid. Striking and grappling are both needed for self-defense. Even in HEMA when fighting with weapons, we practice grappling and takedowns (Fiore). Unless you are with your friends who can keep the other guy's buddies out of the fight, going to the ground in street fight is a bad place to be.
As someone who's been in quite a few street and school fights I've never really used jiu jitsu except a couple times but it's still very useful to know especially against untrained people who don't know how to defend it.
Chewy, you nailed it. Doing it live is crucial. I have trained in both the striking and now the grappling arts and always sparred in both. Helped tremendously when putting into use for real.
Thank you for a mature, reasonable answer. Every art is equally useful or useless depending on the environment, but live resistant training is where it’s at.
Just train anything that has live resistance sparring. Spar hard a few times, do a lot of light sparring. Then apply that in a street fight, and you should win easily.
Genuine survival situations can take place in many environments, involve restrictive clothing or injuries, weapons, multiple opponents and most likely the "fighters" don't know each other and won't attack one another from a distance after being given the go by a referee. Doing any sport that helps with physical fitness will improve chances of survival but cage fights cannot be directly likened to survival. They can be likened to ego fights between young men that happen a lot, are mutually agreed upon and can sometimes result in death. When I hear the term "street fight" I immediately think "ego fight" because random violence happening to adults is extremely rare. A very real problem with training any MA for self-defense is that to make sense of your hobby you'll be drawn to bad situations like flies are drawn to fecal matter because you develop false feelings of invulnerability and cannot use your skills for a non-controversial cause (if you don't care about sport) so even if you "win" you'll still be in the dung just like a fly whereas if you spent that same time learning languages or dancing you'd make only friends and no enemies and your reputation, health and finances would be unharmed.
mies vailla nykyisyyttä “extremely rare” have you been to America? Adults fight over road rage literally all the time. People will literally follow each other for 30 min plus, just to start a fight.
Interesting question. I've been rolling for a bit and have boxed since I was a kid and I'd say that in Michigan, BOXING is the better technique. Recently Michigan enacted some legislation that makes one of the greatest tools in BJJ a criminal offense (choke hold). As far as I know it is NOT a felony just to commit the act of punching someone in their face. Obviously if someone is seriously injured as a result of the punch then that's another matter. Just the act of using a "choke hold" of any kind is a felony in MI. MCL 750.84(1)(b) says:A person who does either of the following is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 10 years or a fine of not more than $5,000.00, or both:(a) Assaults another person with intent to do great bodily harm, less than the crime of murder.(b) Assaults another person by strangulation or suffocation.(2) As used in this section, "strangulation or suffocation" means intentionally impeding normal breathing or circulation of the blood by applying pressure on the throat or neck or by blocking the nose or mouth of another person.
As usual you've answered it before I could chime in LOL... I've been telling online warriors for almost twenty years that ALL of any combat training can work if you've had enough "mat time" (what us old folkstyle guys called experience...) on any of those styles, against somebody who knows nothing but being angry. I've become completely scrambled in a multiple person fight before, when I had already wrestled since 6 years old to that night (about 26 years old). It helped that the wrestling training was typical for folkstyle-- hours and hours of real competitive training, by that time I'd had over 160 matches (which is kind of a big reason wresters are usually able to perform well under the lights and learn other styles-- we usually compete a LOT). Some guys in college but their senior year and doing off-season tournaments have had more than 500 matches before they're 22 years old. Boxing obviously helps because lots of people just start swinging in a street fight. You'll be able to see what's coming on most non-athletic jerks. Same with Jiu-jitsu; Of COURSE it will help you in a fight. If you can't get out of the fight (blocked from an exit), and they start wailing on you or grab you, and you know NOTHING? well you might win but it's a much bigger risk. If you know Jiu-jitsu at a solid level, such as purple belt at a real school? You never know where the fight is going to end up but it's only logical to understand having those skills can help immensely. For those morons who think Jiu-jitsu is fake; They're the only guys who humbled me on the mats compared to people who don't train. f I got too entangled with them, they could catch me in a submission. Most people who never fought before who started with me (unfortunately I did fight a lot because I used to look so young for my age and I lived in a really bad neighborhood in my twenties).got rag dolled by me. I'm not even a big guy at all-- more on the smaller side. They just don't understand how much that training changes a person. You can see it in their eyes as soon as I grabbed them, before I even did anything. But yeah... Jiu-jitsu can help. People weren't ready to accept seeing Jiu-jitsu wipe out all the "classic" Martial artists in the early competitions, and obviously their beloved movie- fight styles were the ones looking fake at that point. Now some know-it-alls repeat things they hear and call Jiu-jitsu "fake"? Ridiculous. ANY style can help if you train enough years and challenge yourself with situations at the school that really test you.
I started training in BJJ and Muay thai a few weeks before my 45th birthday which was on May7th so, I'm about a month in and I've learned so much already. I come from a Taekwondo background, so I'm in a whole new world.
I am Judo Black belt and BJJ brown belt, and i think that BJJ, or Judo Newaza are in self defense highly effective, but also extremly dangerous. It works against single unarmed opponent but you don't know if someone is unarmed and alone. So you can take someone who attacks you in front of the pub to the ground and his friend will come and kick you into head, or he will take a knife. If you are on your feet you will always be able to runaway but you don't have this option rolling on the ground. So in self defense i would be boxing or do some throws or takedowns, but i don't want to go to the ground. (Sorry for my English i am not native speaker)
Exactly. You should always have the chance to run away when fighting fails. It's very easy to get stabbed to death while grappling and there's plenty of vids where boxing defended itself against multiple opponents and won. Can't find any where a guy "grapples" 4 dudes and wins
This is similar to how one of my senseis explains sparring for MMA classes in our gym… having the exposure to someone throwing punches at you helps to deal with stressful situations
In my experience, I'm frighten to take a fight to the ground. I'm a Brown belt in BJJ for 3 yrs and I stopped and started Catch Wrestling. I have a Boxing, Muay Thai, and Karate background, and I never saw use for BJJ in a real setting other than to how to fight a BJJ practitioner. If you have time to learn only one fighting style, take Boxing or Muay Thai. It's good to learn BJJ and Catch Wrestling because it's the fad of the day and you have a high chance to run into a practitioner and you need to know how to deal with them and have experience fighting them. But in a street fight, stay on your feet. Mobility is very important and never go to the ground because you will be like a roach on it's back. BJJ will only work in a controlled setting. It needs to be agreed that there will be no interference, one-on-one, a sectioned off area, and no one calls the authorities, security, or ect. Another thing people overlook is that BJJ can take time in some situations. You better be in the right when you are on the ground playing on the floor when the authorities arrive, because there is a thing called the LAW and you are most likely on the wrong side in a fight majority of the time. I rather have good positioning, a series of punches, knock 'em out and get the hell out of there, 1 min tops.
Bjj is better than boxing or any striking style if you are facing one opponent who is not armed. Taking down and wrestling 1 dude is WAY less work and effort compared to using boxing. But if you are facing multiple opponents or a guy with a melee weapon, yeah bjj would be a horrible idea. Personally, I find it MUCH easier to combine quick footwork with pepper spray. With pepper spray you can diffuse anyone and won't break a sweat while doing it.
I agree with pretty much everything you say except that BJJ is only useful in a controlled setting. Yes I want boxing and wrestling first, but if a much bigger stronger opponent does end up on top of you despite your boxing and wrestling, does one then not wish they had BJJ? As you said, being a roach on it's back on the street is a awful, but it can happen, then what?
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior BJJ doesn't work in streets. It's a sport made to work under rules . Very hard to take any half ass fighter down. I've trained in boxing and BJJ and the only thing BJJ is good for is competition. Yeah it's good to know multiple styles but if you only know BJJ you're going to get hurt in a real fight. Boxing and muay thai are superior to BJJ. UFC is a sport. Real life is different. Laying on your back with your legs spread isn't good for fighting in streets. And you use way more energy trying to take down a stronger person. In real life people can knee you and elbow you in your back and stomp you on the ground. In a real fight you don't have 15 minutes to wear the person down and try for a submission. Way less energy to get just out strike. Any half ass wrestler will stop take downs and mount you and bash you if you try BJJ in real life. I've done Jujitsu for 7 years and boxed about 7 years and theres absolutely no comparison in a real fight. The last place you want to be is on your back with your legs spread in a fight. Eddie Bravo even says BJJ is not meant for streets
@@ttz4m3 generally have to do both cause if a wrestler takes someone in bjj down the bjj will win, but the will be taken down cause bjj takedowns are trash. The hostility from all of y'all is being seen as retarded and biased more than anything. The UFC was a marketing ploy by the Gracie's to prove bjj is the best and now every fighter has to do it along with wrestling (or other take down arts) and other striking arts, bjj is the best on the ground, undebateable and 90% of fights go to the ground. You need to be balanced or you'll get fucked.
@@tamamalosi you= extra chromosome, dumbass overused argument, frustrating lack of an open mind because of a few "bar fights", a lack of understanding about fight science. I under stand your point, and there is some truth to it, but it's wrong, just cause you know how to hit a joint, a throat, or a bottle over ones head doesn't mean you know how to control the fight. It's nonsensical. I understand I'm coming of as hostile especially with ad hominem, but it's just wrong and it's been proven time and time again and before you have me prove it, take the time it takes to comment on this, and search it up yourself with an unbiased mindset.
I prefer the stand up game, but..... I am so glad I have been taking BJJ, it's fun, challenging, and eye opening because of the overwhelming pressure someone can put on you. So great advise, I think it helps you be a more well rounded practitioner, developing pieces of ability and awareness that cross over in both.
I think jiu jitsu against someone who doesn't know how to grapple is very effective even if they're decent strikers, but what do I know, I just comment shit on yt.
@@solodolo_mma3971 That is all fine and dandy when playing but in a fight were eye gouging, punching, bites and all around disgusting violence is at play it i not that effective. The shortcomings with BJJ is that it is not a grappling form that emphasises stand up control like Judo and wrestling does. Match winning points can be scored in both Judo and Wrestling not in BJJ or JJ.
bighand69 that’s completely untrue actually. Let me explain. There is sport BJJ for points and comps etc. then there is self defence BJJ, which is what it was meant for in the first place. That style we train with fists and standing up take downs self defence from punches, and being punched on the ground. It’s very effective
I belleive you should have experience in (boxing+kickboxing+juijitsu+wrestling), if you want to be really competent in a one on one street fight situation. If you don't have any experience in one of those 4 styles you have a glaring whole in your self defense game. A boxer could be clinched up knees kicked and elbowed A kickboxer could get taken down ground and pounded A wrestler could get choked out A juijitsu artist could get his face punched in and his legs kicked from under him But when you combine all the styles you can fight whereever the fight goes. Stop comparing the styles start combining them
Dude, if you just know one of those in a street fight, your going to most likely fuck somebody up pretty badly. The chances of you being attacked, or being provoked by someone who knows what they are doing are slim to none.
There is a lot more factors that go into than that. For one being quality of training. Just because you’ve taken some wrestling & jiu jitsu classes down at your local YMCA don’t think you’re qualified to out grapple or “choke out” a Iowa state D1 stud wrestler. Mat time counts for a lot more than you might think. Just because you’ve touched down in multiple style disciplines doesn’t mean your going to outwork someone who has literally mastered a chosen discipline.
@@iitzDiRTY I agree with this, but the chances of a division 1 wrestler picking a fight with you are slim to none. It's usually someone who is Intoxicated, with zero fighting knowledge that does this. People go into these stupid debates assuming that both combatants know what they are doing, when 99.9 % of the time that is not the case. And the truth is, the only sure fire way to protect yourself in an altercation is to have a firearm, that will really end things quickly.
I think your right about the competitions preparing you for going against another resisting person. When you pit yourself against another human beings strength, endurance, intelligence, fortitude, cunning and all the other traits and resources a human being it's a reminder that it's not just you who has these abilities. It's a great reality check! Even just something like chess, solving chess puzzles is totally different than putting yourself against another persons intellect and skill and determination. It's great for keeping your ego in check. When you fight another person you are literally taking on the most advanced creature on this planet if you think about it.
Another thing... even tho I lived in the ghetto and fights happened. I probably been in 8 fights my whole and half of them ended on the ground. Jujitsu is solid and a common white belt can take down most guys with extra 10 pounds of weight. Overall best to avoid fights tho because if his friends are there they almost jump in 99% of the time.
Preaching the truth, brother. Almost nobody can take a full strike to the face for the very first time in their life and expect to maintain control. Was beat up every day from kindergarten through 8th grade. Freshmen year I'd had enough of taking hits to the head and face and trying to escape; flat out by 9th grade I'd suffered so much head trauma that unless my head bounced off the concrete i never felt anything until hours later
And talking about practicing the Jiu-Jitsu without rolling, I hadn't had a real test of my jiu jitsu skills until my friend came over who is a combat veteran and studied the same Jiu-Jitsu I'm studying and he outweighs me by 80 lb and I was pretty impressive and impressed with how well I handled the situation. my friend was also impressed and he said he has absolute faith that I'll have no problem defending myself against an average dude
damn, i still remember my first judo competition, i was orange belt at the time, and fought another orange belt on my first match. the way he came at me when the ref gave the signal... so fast and aggressive, i nearly shat myself. i had done a bit of metal prep for self defense before, about paying attention to aggressiveness, noticing intents, and at that moment i felt like the guy wanted to kill me. in that split second, my training caught up, i noticed that his attack was fast and aggressive, but totally disorganized. the tall and slim man i am just grabbed his lapel and stopped him dead by framing my arm against his chest. then i just thought: "okay... now we are playing my pace" followed a full minute of me forcing him back to square every time he attempted a move or even blocking his footwork, too scared myself to try anything myself, but always pushing and pulling a bit on him while fainting so the ref wouldn't give me a penalty for staying only defensive (though i definitely was). eventually, he got frustrated and tried something stupid, we fell to the mat, i had done bjj before, next thing he was taping out. really changed my perception of fighting, fought 5 guys that day that i had never met before and who where all really out to beat me. won 3 out of the 5 that day, one of my most mind changing opening experiences.
@@HtheKing depends, it always depends. when i hear street fight i think aggression and self defense, so first goal is to not be in that situation to start with, next plan is getting the fuck away, last option is fighting back. but you may be thinking more about two guys settling an argument rather than a "stay safe at all cost" situation. in that competition i was doing judo with judo rule, so the big difference is the distance that was always grappling range. when it's uncertain and open you have to expect kicks and punches from farther. i like to slow down the pace of the fights because it's my style, i often have the range advantage and a big chunk of my skills are grappling and throws, time is often on my side. from farthest range, i try to keep at bay with front kicks and low kicks, going in to get me has a cost, if they press further and get me in a boxing range i'm very uncomfortable and will look to grapple or shove away, if they get even closer and grapple with me, they better be good because i got decent judo skills. now if someone is really rushing at me trying to ignore my attacks to close the range, depending of how fast i react i can either try to stop him with a solid kick, a bit more late do a judo throw from whatever grip i find as he reaches me, and if i'm really too late, i could just accept the fall and try to get from it a good transition to a ground technique. of course all of that is purely hypothetical, everyone got a plan until they get punched in the face and i'm definitely no exception.
So many of the comments here are reminiscent of the pre UFC arguments of the early 1990s. In a "street" situation you simply aren't a complete fighter without grappling skills. Humans are essentially a walking bipod with a higher center of gravity. Good striking requires kinetic linking which is easy to disrupt. Simply put, solid grappling skills dramatically increase your ability to control positions ( or remain standing) enabling you to be a better striker.
From personal experience Judo is by far the superior discipline for a street fight, as the ability to quickly throw someone to the floor while keeping your own feet will instantly win you 99% of all fights you ever get in. If you are a fast runner it will end 100% of fights you get in instantly.
@@glitchdigger not especially, you’ll rip their shirt but the throw will still work. You can grip their waistband or belt for most throws, and you can simply grip their wrist or elbow if they have short sleeves. You may not even really need a good grip anyway. Again, unless your opponent is trained to counter throws you’ll most likely be able to pull off a half decent throw one handed because they’ll have no balance and not know which way to resist the turning, so they’ll twist their body the wrong way and basically throw themselves. I speak from experience when I say your main trouble will be making sure they don’t hit the ground too hard.
You don't have to be an expert in boxing techniques. After a bit of training, just try to spar as much as you can. What sparring will give you is the experience to not panic and start flailing when someone is coming at you. The more you spar, the more comfortable you'll be with getting hit. Low level boxing is mostly just training yourself to keep your composure when someone is attacking you. Since your time is limited, I would recommend you get your boxing to the point where you can remain calm while someone is throwing haymakers at your face, then focus on BJJ.
Well said. The key is live sparring. I think it was Matt Thorton who talked about "aliveness" when it comes to martial arts as sorting the more real from the less real.
@El Cucuy Have you actually trained? Many BJJ places do Muy Tai as well...Shit my local BJJ gym which isnt nothing special does this and so do the ones in Denver...
@El Cucuy I go to a Gracie Barra gym and we do Muy Tai but if you're gym makes it a bad thing to mention a standing art then im sorry I would have my doubts about the place. I get not training that sure but a gym shouldn't make is a taboo just to mention...Red flag
I like your thinking because your 100% correct, before I got into Jiu jitsu, I boxed for 6 years. Although I love BJJ, it helps to know the basics in the striking department.
Always avoid the fight. The negative consequences are innumerable. Especially if you live in a state like new york, like I do, where the law benefits the aggressor
@@samuelguerra8600 First, the main problem is that's it's generally wildly vague (the self defense laws) and your whole life can depend on the particular cop that shows up, the da that prosecutes the case and the judge/jury. There is no castle doctrine, which is a good example; if someone breaks in to your home to murder your family, you have to try and flee your home. That includes not being in your home, obviously, if they can prove you could have left the situation, or prove you did not attempt to, you could be liable. You're not allowed to carry any sort of weapon of any kind (it's criminal possession of a weapon to possess anything you intend to use as a weapon). More specifically for someone attacking you, you can meet their level force technically
I've never met a "boxer" I couldn't take down at will. And my takedowns suck. I was a correctional officer, cop and security for two night clubs at various times in my life and Jiu-jitsu is gold. Not sport BJJ but REAL Gracie Jiu-jitsu. (a huge percentage of sport grappling goes out the windows when strikes are added.) Boxing is great and I highly recommend it. It works great...until someone grabs you, you get tackled, you fall etc. Find me a good boxer and let me show him how to sprawl and escape the mount and you got a legit badass. Show me a good blue belt or above in BJJ and let me show him a few simple striking combos, how to slip a punch and distancing and I'll show you a badass.
You gave me the perfect combo idea for my self defense lol I'm thinking about getting back into bjj I did it all through highschool til I was 17 then I started working full time started smoking lost my stamina I was good on the ground I could execute the triangle in about a second on someone with no fighting experience or defense against holds or chokes I quit smoking and thought about going to Gracie close to where I live me doing wrestling doesn't seem likely I'm 5'8 145 pounds but I'm totally gonna mix boxing with my bjj
@@dirttrackdevil1149 everyone's experiences are different. Most fights are over before they can hit the ground. I've seen dudes who go to MMA gyms and jiu jitsu get fucked up because they went against a better fighter, not just a jiu jitsu practitioner. In saying that it is useful for people in law enforcement and corrections for sure especially when trying to take someone into custody. I would say striking and footwork/conditioning is the best thing to learn for the average person. If they can then throw jiu jitsu in there. A lot of people get fucked up trying to go for the takedown. Stay on your feet and get away.
Hey chew! :D I just competed this last weekend, i won bronze Gi and gold no gi on my weight-class! :) i also went open weight gi and no gi, i had overall 12 matches in two days, i had 9 wins and 3 Losses :) I went last month and lost 2 and won 1. Super happy with the results, i have to leave my gym now in July/august so I am super happy that i won Gold and Bronze for my team and coach! :D Iam a white Belt/beginner, Super fun :D this was my second time competing, as always everyone is really nice and respectful after losses and even in victory :)
I've been going on and off for a year and for the past month I've been consistent. It may sound cheesy but it really grows on you. I'll miss a day of class and the rest of my day is ruined. Like I highly suggest anyone to try it and stick to it. I hope you enjoy your experience.
If I get attacked, I drop to the ground, curl into the fetal position and sob gently why whining "please don't hurt me" till my attacker walks away in disgust.
I started Mma as ex golden glove boxing champ from a wrestling family so i new a couple take downs an subs an got destroyed in my first training by a 3 tab white belt in bjj an i had 8kg on him he tapped me twice in 1min..... that was the start of my bjj journey . bjj beats boxing most of the time
@@joelramirez6261 I do the same thing man. BJJ and Muay Thai. But I do love playing top game for BJJ more so (I think???) that's a bit more "realistic" . But guard is ultra important as well. Mainly BJJ but I do a fair amount of Muay Thai to be "rounded".
cmiller8492 boxing typically is not near as expensive as BJJ. There are ghetto gyms in every city where you will pay no more than 40 a month. BJJ on the other hand is expensive AF. I do both but there is no comparison in price.
Great video and question. I've personally never been in a "street fight". The closest encounters I've had to a street fight was snapping at a bully in high school and punching him in the jaw, and then getting assaulted by two guys later in life (in my early 20's). The latter which is why I started judo, and have been doing judo now for over 14 years. Since starting judo, I have never been involved in a potentially violent confrontation. The reason I took up judo is because at the time, I was unemployed and didn't have a driver's license... judo was close to home, and it was cheap. But through judo, I fell in love with the sport, made lifelong friends, gained a passion for health and interest, got my blackbelt, and now help to teach judo to children, teenagers and adults. I think martial arts and sports like Brazilian jiu-jitsu (BJJ), judo, mixed martial arts (MMA), boxing, kick boxing, muay thai, wrestling etc. could all potentially work for self-defence. My bias towards these arts and sports is their heavy emphasis on sparring, as well as cardiovascular conditioning, which can replicate "real fighting" in a safe training environment. Physical fitness is an important element for self-defence. Then there's also the competition element, which when you think about it, is a much higher intensity version of a training environment, as you're likely to be fighting an opponent who is coming at you with 100%, because their goal is to beat you and win the match. From my understanding, the goal of BJJ is to generally take your opponent to the ground, where they will have less advantage of their strength and/or size and they can be defeated by techniques such as strangles, joint locks etc. I think what a lot of people forget is that BJJ would teach a little more than this, such as how to escape ground situations. So, if a bad person tried to take you to the floor and/or got you on the floor in a street fight), you would likely know a way (or multiple ways) to try and escape and return to standing. You would likely know as well in how to fall over safely and mitigate injury (break falls). So... while I don't like the idea of deliberately taking someone to the ground in a street fight, I can imagine that BJJ would have many other useful benefits for real life situations. One thing that does bother me about a lot of clubs/gyms, particularly judo and BJJ, is they often claim "self-defence" as an advertising point of their gym/club, but then they only teach their art as a sport with rules. In my opinion, if a gym/club is going to claim "self-defence" as a selling point, they should offer classes or training sessions with a self-defence curriculum in mind. I will admit, martial arts of any art or sport can offer some people a false sense of security. I'm a blackbelt in judo and I am not a small person, but I have no idea how I would fair in a "real" fight against a violent person who wants to hurt me or worse, and I don't ever want to try and find out. If someone threw a punch at me, I might do something cool and throw the guy to the ground. Or... I might just get straight up punched in the head, fall to the ground, become unconscious, and either wake up in hospital, or die. I really have no idea what might happen. When it comes to martial arts, I think people need to stop fixating on what is the "best" for self-defence... they act like they're going to get into a street fight tomorrow, and/or that they're going to regularly get into street fighting. The reality is, street fights don't happen on a regular basis in most modern world places, and when it comes to awful crimes like muggings, assault or murder, they often happen when the victim is unfortunately not aware and/or is in a vulnerable circumstance (like unlocking your car late at night, or using an ATM), those terrible situations aren't exactly "fights". In my rather biased opinion, I generally find the people who debate about martial arts for "self-defence", which is the "best" or "worst" etc. tend to be the people who don't train in anything at all... and I reckon they should do something. They might really enjoy it and find a new passion. When it comes to what martial art(s) they want to do, they should focus on what they're interested in, as well as what's locally available, costs involved etc. Someone might be really keen to try BJJ, they give it a go, and maybe it's not their cup of tea, and that's okay... or they might love it! As for "self-defence", I think it's important to at least have an understanding of the non-physical side of things. People's body language, how close they are to you, how they're presenting themselves (clenched fists, heavy breathing), their tone of voice, choice of dialog, as well as other things like pathways to exit(s), obstacle(s) toward exit(s), people who can help, people who may not help (like the angry person's friends) etc. I completely agree, if you are undertaking martial arts to learn "self-defence", then you should consider multiple arts, e.g., a grappling art, and a striking art (like BJJ or judo with boxing/kick boxing etc.)
As a private security officer with background in american wrestling, I'm really interested in starting up BJJ, but I also recognize and admit that my striking ability and durability after receiving strikes are likely my biggest weakness when it comes to street fights. So in that regard, I agree with you that anyone getting into BJJ should look into boxing as well. Most of my favorite fighters in the UFC are the most well rounded, who can trade blows AND maintain their defense and offense while on the ground.
Grappling and boxing are tools. It's up to you to decide which tool is right for the job. There are situations where you need to grapple and there are situations where you'll need to strike. Despite my bias as a wrestler, if someone asked me which martial art they should train if they could only choose one, I would recommend BJJ.
If he criminal is armed or got mates you don't Jiu Jitsu. You run because that is the wise thing to do. If its any 1 on 1 streetfight you do Jiu Jitsu.
@@ryanhuestis2955 Sorry for the late reply buddy, but I'm really enjoying it so far! Completely alien to me but I'm enjoying learning a new martial art from scratch
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my experience is that the vast majority of folks who obsess over "street fights" don't train in anything.
and cant fight.
And their only fighting experience is that one time in school where they got whooped but now they know to aim the groin and eyes, so they'd probably kill the guy in a "real street fight" if it happened again
Jumping somebody isn’t a fight lol
@@ragecallihan6079 Exactly. I know a lot of folks who talk about "scraps they got into", but when you press them on it, they just suckerpunched someone and thought they were some kind of prison yard badass.
My original statement still holds. Folks who brag about "street fights" don't TRAIN in anything.
And yet, a percentage of them will quite easily and readily kill you or anyone who does train in something. Guerilla warfare is and always has been terribly effective because people who "train" are training for other people who train. Someone whose goal is to meet a threat they've trained for is no match for someone whose goal is to end their life, or even to end a confrontation. All the average person needs is a cursory knowledge of anatomy, a few basic moves practiced to achieve muscle memory, and enough stress to react violently. The egotist who spends years in a gym arguing about how their training is superior to all others dies in that matchup almost every time.
The 100 metre sprint is a great way to win a street fight,
Unless your opponent is from Kenya.
@@05dturner yes i will concede if my opponent is a Kenyan blue belt or above im pretty much screwed.
I have to train hard cause I couldn't outrun a sumo wrestler.
@@05dturner you and me both my friend, best we just do our best not to get in a fight!
Exactly, parkour is the most efficient style.
"Nothing surprises an opponent more than being choked out by a triangle armbar." Mother Teresa
That quote seems a little fishy. . . you sure she said that?
@@Chewjitsu Yeah, I talked to her. She had a black belt in BJJ and loved pain. She believed the sick must suffer like Christ on the cross, which is why she did not have medical care, systematic diagnosis, necessary nutrition and sufficient analgesics for those in pain. She crushed it on those weekly meetings in her clinic. There's some awesome Video-8 material of her.
@@raphaelsanft5086 I haven't been able to find anything that backed up your statement. Where did she train? Who awarded her, her black belt? There is nothing in her profile that states that she ever trained in any martial arts. Where are these "awesome videos" of her training that you stated exist??? Your quote is bullshit, can't find it anywhere were she said it. People are such easy suckers. Less than 5 mins of searching proved this to be complete B/S.
@@sexybluelady Are you the asberger guy who takes the short bus because he yet again didn't get the joke everyone else got?
@@raphaelsanft5086 Nope, just a normal person that called out some bullshit. If it was a joke, then insert "sarcasm" somewhere, anywhere in the comment. This is the internet bro, people don't know who you are, can't detect tone, and have no idea when you are trying to be funny....
theres a great military saying for this. "in combat, nobody rises to the occasion. everybody drops to the level of their training. be the best trained."
That makes 100 percent logic !! Great quote
That's what UFC is lol
Great quote
thats a good one
Yep... every fight is come as you are - the only question is who will you be.
Knowing how to do jiu jitsu will NEVER be a weakness in a fight. Same with boxing or any other fighting style.
I don't even know how people can say that. Just about every street fight ends up on the ground. Seems like knowing jiu jitsu would be helpful there
Yes it can become a weakness, when you become overconfident in your abilities. Then you get shot or stabbed one day.
Most people are not black belt and BJJ is not going to save you. MMA maybe yes.
@@chrisreaves6399 strongly disagree with every fight ends up on the ground. Most fights I've seen whether thru my job or drunks fighting on the street have always been standing and striking
Actualy kyokishin made my guard lazy as you can’t punch to the face :) When I sparred my Muay Thai friend I noticed how open my defense was. Plus lowkicks are beast too
@@derekchow7497 Being overconfident is not a Jiu jitsu problem, that's a mental problem. If you don't realize the dangers out there just because you know jiu jitsu, that says more about your IQ than your ability to fight. Honestly, your logic is completely flawed. You're saying don't learn Jiu jitsu because you'll get overconfident in your abilities 😂😂
If the Boxer lands a clean punch to the face, it’s game over for the BJJ fighter.
If the BJJ fighter gets the boxer to the ground, it’s game over for the boxer.
Your triangle is beautiful until his friend kicks you in the face im afraid.. and im all for bjj but in a street fight id pick a style on my feet
@@Masterdebater14 Most fights I see, people don't intervene unless it's to break it up. But yeah definitely wanna stay up in a street fight but not knowing what to do on the ground is REALLY dangerous
@@Masterdebater14 That's a situation where the last place you'd wanna be is on the ground, but for most scenarios, jiu jitsu is great
@@Saynt-Nick im not arguing with you on that :) Im not a fighter myself but mma has proven bjj to be great, i think we all agree on that
@@Masterdebater14 jiu jitsu isn't exclusive to rolling dude....
I am 27, about 2 and a half years have passed since I got into BJJ and few weeks ago I got into first street fight in my life. I did everything not to start but it did. Placed a grip onto his jacket, took him down and, while still on my feet, RNChoked him and said to stop or he's going to sleep. The "fight" was over. No injuries for either one of us, no going to court.
I'm not going to talk about other martial arts but BJJ is great way to finish a fight in a way that would be the best for both of you when you get up the next morning.
I also think we forget that people who train any combat sport are rare but even rarer are those who practice it in a high intensity situation like rolling or competing. I think some people get used to the idea of every roll being tough because you’re fighting dudes with skills. The guy who wants to fight in the street is likely going to be like every brand new meathead who walks in off the street only to get trapped by a female blue belt a bunch of times during one roll.
i've been doing muay thai for 2 years and i'm very interested in doing jiu jitsu so i did kind of an mma sparring session with my friend who is a bjj blue belt and i saw how effective jiu jitsu can be in fighting so i decided to take my first class on monday very excited
Carefully I trained in muay thia for 5 years and ended up falling in love with bjj lol
@@thomasmurray6246 yeah i think the same thing is going to happen i really like it already
MT is super effective though too. I like both of them.
Hey im joining bjj on Monday for the first time after a year of boxing and mma as well
@@ishansaha24 great hopefully you'll hqve a great experience
I’ve been boxing for six years and BJJ for two years, in my opinion they really do go hand in hand
That's a deadly combination
How do you combine Boxing and BJJ? I also want to incorporate a 2 day lifting split
Jordi Bakker you can't compare them,totally different.Bjj is on the ground fighting while boxing is stand up fighting,i would recommend to train mma tho.U become a complete fighter
Everlasting Energy dude this is my dilemma as well. They both seem equally as important
Lads it’s simple just check your gym’s timetable. Attend when BJJ is on the schedule and attend when boxing is on the schedule. Then when MMA is on the schedule you can incorporate the two. Also, I lift 4 days a week which is Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday which I do in the mornings. Lift in the morning, fight in the evening. Easy as that.
Coming from a dude that was born and raised in east Baltimore in a very tough neighborhood. Been "Street" fighting my whole life, weight lifting as early as high school, and transitioning to traditional training, jiu-jitsu, boxing, and mui tai, I can tell you from experience, anything... Whatever form of training that you do can be applied in a street fight. It's all a mental thing though if you don't have heart and the ability to relax, then nothing is gonna be effective, even boxing. You get hit by someone swinging crazy and out of control or if you panic in close proximity, you will be overwhelmed with sloppy strikes, trust I me know😅
do you mean muay thai
@@dudleyanderson9372 yes sir sorry about that. Look up Focal Cortical Dysplasia I believe it's spelled that way, I am not trying to play victim, but that is why sometimes when autocorrect just spells random shit I forget to go back and correct it. I've had 21 partial seizures since November, my neurologists and therapist say I do a pretty good job speaking and spelling giving the circumstances.
If your trained none of things should happen. Hence the training. Don't consider yourself a fighter unless you fight on the ring. Otherwise your just a man hitting pads.
GG on your recovery tho
@@Team_Killer_NZ I respect your opinion brother
Hey just read your comment- is there anything boxing does better than muay Thai?
Best self-defense: Stay in school, get in a good job that pays well enough for you to move out of the mean streets, and avoid public transportation.
True that
To be honest I'm reading all the comments and going "how are all these people routinely getting into fights? I've never even seen a fight irl". Public transport is also pefectly safe in the places I have lived (mostly in France and Switzerland).
Im trying to kick ass though
So smart
If ur scared of public transport, the place you live is a shithole.
"The first technique in a street fight is to walk away" Helio Gracie
And as Rener Gracie would say, de-escalation.
YES. Avoid bad folks and bad places and walk away. Been a few times I have been taunted but walked away !!!!
So power walkers are the true greatest martial arts masters, who knew?
"Bash them" - What the Gracies have been doing for generations.
Was Helio not the one that also ended a man's career in a street fight?
You cannot predict a street fight. 1 on 1, or 10 against one.
Rorion gracie said “a street fight is never what you expect it to be or what you want it to be. It simply is”
Nice pull, brother
Well if u end up getting jumped I would imagine u definitely want to stay standing
@@J0J0Zx you should prepare for everything. If your getting jumped I doubt they are going to ask if you prefer standing. I'd rather know how to avoid a takedown and escape a bad position to get back to my feet. You learn that in jiu jitsu.
@@tyleroldham4676 If you have multiple attackers you must use striking. If you try to grapple against multiple attackers you will end up getting your head stomped in
@@vailimaconnoisseur6538 did you even read what I said?
Technically wrestling is devastating in street fights. Imagine takedowns on concrete.
Ain't no technically.... you're speaking factually bro.
@gun jack Any ONE... The issue is their buddy you didn't know was there takes you out when you are down with them... Wrestling is highly valuable, but you need to put them down while retaining your feet and then GTFO.
Raymond Rocco yeah, staying on your feet is the best on the street especially if the guys a im group you don’t wanna be stomped out by their boys lol
Raymond Rocco in a*
It's very situational in this case though. You won't always be fighting on concrete or pavement. In fact, you should absolutely avoid fighting on concrete, for any reason, for all time. That's how people die. Not to mention the potential CTE.
47 year old ex-professional boxer and coach here. I've done 4 classes of jiu jitsu now and I'm addicted. As a white belt I've sparred with people who've taken me to the ground and could easily have submitted me and tied me up in knots within seconds, and it was a real eye opener! Boxing IS a huge advantage in a street fight as it takes away the element of the unknown, gives you a good sense of timing and develops good power BUT once on the ground if you have no ground game it's anybody's fight to win. A boxer on the ground against someone who knows what they're doing? Game over for the boxer - I found that out after being submitted by a 16 year old blue belt. I'm too old for street fighting now, but if I was ever in a position where I had no choice, I'd be happy that I could box AND knew a little jiu jitsu.
totally agree with you! I'm in my 50's and learned how to fight starting in grade school after getting picked on a lot. Wrestled 4 years in high school and then did professional kickboxing in my 20's for several years. Learned a few bjj finishes back then from grapplers at our kickboxing gym, and now I'm working thru the Gracie Combatives program. I prefer to avoid fights and I can't count on going 10 rounds without getting tired at my age, so learning jiu jitsu just in case I ever need it.
"What combat sport should I train?"
Yes.
Marriage,you'll learn alot of duck,weaving, and taking hard hits.
Boxing an wrestling...most fights will end up in a wrestling match if hands don't end it in the first minute or so
@@tazmax72 better yet BJJ and Muay thai
@@tazmax72 no gi jiu jitsu and Muay Thai are probably the best
cool it now 001 hands down the funniest shit cuz it’s true! Well said my friend.
I love jiu jitsu but in a street fight im gonna do everything in my power to not be on the ground lol
Same here. I'll do everything I can not to fight too.
That's right ! Lying on your back and exposing your belly can't be good
If I get in a street fight I’m pulling worm guard
Wrestling and jiu jitsu op.
@L 5 if you give your leg to a trained man on the ground you might never get it back
"Boxing is a contest of character and ingenuity. The boxer with more will, determination, desire, and intelligence is always the one who comes out the victor.” - *Cus D'Amato*
I almost actively learning muay thai boxing and bjj(gi/nogi)all in the same gym wirh different instuctors. Muay thai being my weakest.
Boxers and muay thaj practitioners do cross train to improve their game.
Im telling u most boxer would have major problem chrcking those leg kicks.
Boxer against bjj? The moment u miss the chance to knock him out and he caught u in a clinch range its almost over.
In clinch range ur punch will have no nough power to knock him out.
I dont do wrestling but im telling u those takedowns on concrete floors against boxers in street fight?
Boxing is beautiful but honestly, its not gonna work if you cant defend takedowns.
The social aspect behind applying jui-jitsu is important to keep in mind. A guy may be willing to watch his friend lose a fight he started but someone will probably decide to intervene violently if you are bending someone and they start screaming.
Thanks for keeping it real. I see alot of comments bit none stating that you cant put more than one person in an armbar at a time. Atleast with boxing ypu can stun a few and run or knock a few out.
Exactly.
This is a good point. I think with blokes especially, there's sort of levels to violence and once a punch has been thrown the fight has gone to its most serious level. To punch another human full in the face isn't a particularly nice feeling. At least bjj gives you the opportunity to get someone in a hold and say "woah i think we should all just chill a little bit!" Before risking serious injury and potential legal repercussions
@@zomb1elvis you won't be getting anybody in a hold though and if they're bigger than you chances of that happening are slim
@@cooljool1 it depends. Im 6 3 280lbs and in bjj there's older smaller guys who can tie me in knots in their sleep. If someone was being a aggressive spazz but not quite violent you probably wouldn't need to get a choke or submission. Side control, mount or a back take while you wait for them to see sense or help to arrive is a good option
Plan A: Be polite
Plan B: Run
Plan C: Strike
Plan D: Roll
Good old Abu Hajaar technique
LordF this guy gets it
My steps are
Plan A: Try to avoid unneeded commotion
Plan B: If not being avoided try to say calm and get the person involved calm
Plan C: If it doesn’t work and you get striked at take down and controle to get opponent calm
Plan D: Plan C doesn’t work just choke out the treat and defend yourself own safety first
@@baka9099 choking someone to sleep can be attempted murder, even if its self defense i wouldn't recommend choking in a street fight ( a joint lock would work better for legal reasons)
you're forgetting plan E; Shoot them in the head.
Haha I'm the guy who asked the question. Thanks a lot Chewy I've started jiu Jitsu and my friend is warming up to it.
Ive just started boxing wrestling and a little bit of jiu jitsu. Its all worth it man 🤘🤘
You should add wresting and Muay Thai to your training . You’ll become an animal lol . Good luck with your journey 👍🏼
As long as it's Japanese jujitsu, Brazilian is shit.
@@bruhnisher5454 another person who doesn't train.
Your friend is a clown dude
"Jiu jitsu is like the sun, we need it." ~Albert Einstein
What?
@@KiraPlaysGuitar just a joke lol
😂😂
Lmfao.
I was there when he said this. 100% can confirm.
I can listen to this guy all day. He paints a picture when he explains things.
Love the way you explained this without taking a BJJ biased side on this topic
Bitch, the name of this channel is “Chewjitsu” so what the hell were you expecting 🤔
100% of people who say jiu jitsu (or any form of legit martial arts used by pro fighters) is useless in a street fight have never been in one & do not train at all.
I agree 100%. Great comment!
Yes and no. There are plenty of real life situations where your bjj can be pretty much useless and having ko power would be the best alternative.
@@TheChocolateChamp Respectfully in a one on one scenario Jiu Jitsu works as effectively as anything else. Outside of that when there's multiple attackers there's no style that's going to save you. So let's treat this at face value. Some idiot is trying to box you up and you're any level of competent in Jiu Jitsu, or grappling in general, and he's done. Some idiot and two of his buddies are trying to box you up, you could be a professional at whatever combat sport and you get swarmed, drug to the ground and stomped until they decide they don't want to stomp you anymore. That's the realism of both situations.
Unfortunately this is a never-ending debate. I respect all opinions, however, from my experience I believe nothing is absolute, especially against multiple attackers attacking at the same time. The best self defense will always be avoidance.
@@dankymemerson237 this is true but I've personally seen fights where one guy beats or is able to defend himself against multiple attackers with just his two hands. I've never seen one where a guy beat multiple people with just grappling. We are on RUclips we can just watch dozensof vids proving this point. And there are plenty of fights we can look up where the fight ends off the first punch.
Definitely one of the most valuable aspects I’ve encountered in the few street fights I’ve been in since training in combat sports. Is the comparison in athleticism, most people will beat themselves from getting tired in the first 10 seconds
I agree that a combination of stand-up (boxing) and grappling (BJJ ) is best. It prepares for where fights start (up), and where they can go (down). When I first started taking Tae-Kwon-Do years ago, my instructor told me that I would get used to getting hit. I thought he was crazy at first. Later I found out that he was completely right. You learn to block, take hits, roll with punches, etc. It make a big difference.
I've been a bouncer for 7 years. I can confirm jiu jitsu works on the streets.
John Danaher baby
Wont the guy just tap, you release and then the guy keeps going?
givetheymeantake different rules on the streets. You put them out.
@@givetheymeantake Comments like yours are completely asinine. The fuck would you let them up for. No I'm gonna hold you there until the cops show up. Or just choke you out the hold you there till they show up. Depends on your level of resistance.
Does it work if there's more than person?! I'd think being able to box, with modest bjj skills in the best combination on the streets. Because defending yourself against multiple punches you can spend your time just grappling.... Anyways your thoughts? Ever seen or been in a situation where BJJ is only so useful?
Stress inoculation is important for all aspects of life
so true.
Not heat stress
I want to learn jujutsu so badly.Ive been battling depression for over a year, because of my hard past of being bullied. and I still have to deal with the physical abuse I endured.I need to survive, and it looks like jujutsu is the real deal. Much love to this art!
The action of working on something difficult to better yourself will help with the depression. Training Muay Thai for me has done wonders for my mental health.
Just stfu and train 🤦♂️
@@Anthony-jh6xt started the classes already!
@@therandomnomad435 good on you. seriously
@@smugcat6938 Im doing it now, its a mixed gym where they teach muay thai, judo, bjj etc. Different classes all in the same gym
Bjj does a lot good to my mental health. It just helps me increase my focus, patience, tolerance and hardwork. Ans thats what makes my mind more occupied with something thata helpful to me(bjj) instead of wasting my time overthinking and loading my mind with negative thoughts making me more depressed.
MAD props for acknowledging the marketing aspect of UFC 1.
I've watched a number of your videos, but THAT has earned you a subscriber.
10/10
Great video! Right on the mark as always. Thank you for all you do for the jiu jitsu community!
"everybody's has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth" - mike tyson
dongyongkim think u mean “everybody haths a pan til their punchf in the facef”
@@PS-rb5fw bahahahahahaa
Kevin Gibbs I love mike Tyson but I find it hilarious when he talks 😂
@@PS-rb5fw Lol but he doesn't say facef, he says moufth
RealDarkFilm aw shit
Echoes my thoughts exactly. Just started teaching my kids Jiu Jitsu about a month ago for self defense skills. A couple sessions in I started thinking they're gonna need some boxing, too. Now I see this. Good video. Keep it up, God bless.
Jiu Jitsu is pretty useless for self defense. boxing, kickboxing, certain aspects of judo
This is why I love your content Chewy. Your a great guy, and honest with your viewers and yourself.
BJJ certainly works, but you have to feel the pressure of someone trying to punch you in the face as well. Boxing works but if you dont know how to prevent someone from taking you down, then you will be ignorant on what happens once taken there. Traditional Martial Arts in many settings can work as well but if their training environment has little to no actual pressure testing then they will also have no idea how to react once they start throwing hands.
Love your down to earthdescriptions. Great video bud.
Bouncer here! Work at a country club in El Paso TX.
You need both guys.
If you want to be a complete fighter.
Not necessarily, there’s plenty of styles. You can mix plenty of style to be a “complete fighter”. BUT, bjj is good just by itself. Especially against non-fighters and boxers, becuz they lack ground game
@@tamamalosi lol that's funny but you know what? Working as a bouncer for such a long time I've come to find out most people are much softer than you realize 😂😂
You can't use bbj against two people you need to know how to move and punch
Whiskey dicks or Little Bit Of Texas ?
Who would want to use bjj on a paved ground...ouch
Boxing + wrestling is the best combination for a street fight
Just osoto gari them on their forehead and catch a case😂
I box and wrestle😂
But... if divided, wrestling / bjj is better than boxing
Truth
Totally agree, just Check ancient onlympic games in grece had only boxing and wrestling (when it. Comes to fighting styles) and they used it to win wars....
If you can’t fight on the ground, you can’t fight- Ken Shamrock.
Tank Abbot said something similar... If you can't wrestle, you can't fight.
That applies to the ring, not the streets
@Eric Laino So Mike Tyson can fight on the ground? What has Mike Tyson got to do with my comment?
@Eric Laino I was referring to Ken Shamrock's quote, and not Tyson. Please read before going off on a tangent
The one thing i appreciated about my short time training at Derby City martial arts is that the curriculum incorperates boxing , kickboxing, MMA,and wrestling. I learned so much being there. Chewy is one of the most humble instructors i trained under. If i moved back to Louisville i would train there.
Roll with someone purple or brown belt level one time. You will understand that learning this for combat would be very helpful.
True but alot of bjj stuff leaves you open to getting punched in the face honestly. I still do bjj but unless you are up there belt wise you can still get beat pretty easily.
There’s holes in everything. If you know strictly boxing and never train wrestling or jiu jitsu or muay thai you’re potentially in for a really rough awakening if you pick a fight with the wrong person. I’m not advocating berimbolos and guard pulling on pavement, but the ground game basics has proven to be a total necessity in mma for a reason
@@TheChocolateChamp this is another common misconception, it s actually not that hard to overhook so u cant get punched and belts dont matter skillz do
@@jordansierhuis4152 yeah i get that but your bjj does change alot when someone could just as easily head butt you or stick a thumb in your eye or bite a chunk of your ear, lip, face off etc. How much will your bjj help if you're at a bar/club and 1-3 guys have a problem with you and you're with your girl? Can't tell guys to line up so you can arm bar them one at a time lol. And I'm saying this cause i know people who've gone through it, trying to put one guy in a lock then got knocked out by that guys friend cause he was on the floor totally occupied with one person, luckily they didn't keep beating on him after they knocked him out.
@@TheChocolateChamp yea that can happen but that is very cowardly move, unfortunate
Fair fight, it works great.
If your jumped by more than one guy, than boxing is better. It keeps you on your feet, and keeps you moving . That's the main advantage of boxing..
Completely agree, you don't want to be stuck on the ground if someone pulls a weapon either. If you are attacked in the street and you are a good striker, just quickly pop em and run away.
You can use the standing techniques of juicing jitsu to maneuver yourself to good positions, then your striking arts when opportunities present themselves.
Boxing dosen't teach you how to stay on your feet. Your opponent dosen't try to take you to the ground and if any grappleing is starting, the referee will separate you.
Wrestleing will teach you how to stay on feet.
@@katokianimation ok there's truth to that..boxing teaches you footwork how to move against a opponent..
Not when u got 1 or more people kicking ur legs that shit hurts
Stress inoculation is really the main reason I am doing BJJ at 55. I try to learn what I can and improve, but I really go for the roll. And I feel really alive!
He is right most systems that involve sparring have value, what i would add though is treet situations often involve multiple opponents. I have seen many 1 v 2 and 1 v 3 situations (and higher) where punches were used successfully against multiple opponents, i have never seen someone choke out 3 people at once.
Which john wick movie was this?
No but the joint locks, throws, and takedowns you can learn in BJJ really help. What helps even more in that situation is the ability to resist being successfully grabbed yourself. I see BJJ similar to how I see boxing--its incomplete by itself but strikers are incomplete without some kind of grappling training. I recommend training both striking and grappling for these reasons.
If you look at historical martial arts from both Asia and Europe they all incorporated both grappling and striking both--though the striking often took the form of a weapon.
Lastly there's another point I'd like to make. You listed a very valid situation but allow me to list one that is also common: not wanting to seriously injure an opponent in a fight. Most altercations in real life aren't serious enough to call for serious violence. It's drunk or angry guys picking fights, someone trying to steal something without a weapon, someone badly harassing someone, etc. BJJ excels in the aspect that it allows someone to control the amount of force used in a situation and render someone harmless without inflicting serious and intentional injury on them. Plenty of people who rightfully used martial arts have been punished in a court of law because they used too much force for the situation. I've trained Taekwondo and Muay Thai myself. I can incapacitate someone with a nice round kick to the liver--but I might break their rib in the process and get sued. That's why I'm starting BJJ soon.
@@RealFuckingReviews all over you tube mate
@@CoffeeSnep I don't disagree, i have no problem with BJJ, i train it myself, just pointing out that for multiple opponents striking is probably a little better.
Good video!! It's very true, 100% sparring is the best training. I've used my wrestling and judo training in street fights and working as a security guard. Don't let anyone tell you they don't work in the real world.
Both wrestling and Judo are more effective in street fight than BJJ because they both start from a standing position and both are based around getting dominance from standing.
BJJ mixed with wrestling or Judo is very effective. I would suggest wrestling and BJJ. The weakness with grappling is that an opponent can have friends that jump in when you are tangled up.
Great point. Most BJJ practitioners who say it's the best for a fight have have never been in a real fight. I've got a lot of respect for door staff and security workers because they confront ACTUAL DANGER, not a simulated 'chess match' of a fight and one thing you never see them do is go the the ground!
@@bighands69 You have clearly never trained in BJJ, in a street fight scenario they don't teach you to just grab the guy and fall or to even go to the ground. That is fucking stupid to think, you can use your BJJ to...GASP.....stay standing. You realize they teach things from the standing too right? Like sweeps, fucking crazy right? It's almost like if you actually did that you would know that and not spew the same garbage about oh jujitsu isnt good cause you go to the ground....No we can adjust....
@@bighands69 Also Jujistsu doesn't start on the ground....That proves you know nothing about BJJ. Minus 5 minute clips on youtube... BJJ derives from Japanese Jujitsu (Judo) so guess what we can use... A fucking hip toss or any other standing move or leverage to keep up standing.
@@bigbay1159
There is no competitive aspect to BJJ stand up. Some will even go out and in competition and give up their back straight away.
You cannot do that in wrestling and in Judo first of all because they will penalize you second of all an opponent can pin you for a score which is not the same in BJJ.
I have been doing wrestling and Judo since I was a very young child. I have been doing BJJ for near to 15 years. If I wanted to I could in a BJJ match not go to the ground at all and just stand up with many competitors and keep them locked up. Now I will not do that to the best of the best.
I've been in several street fights growing up and I can tell you some fights end up throwing punches and some go to the ground. It depends on the people fighting.
*Having the knowledge of both will always benefit. You can crack someone's jaw while standing. Or if the fight goes to the ground, you'll know how to choke someone out. Or at the very least, know how to "defend" if they are trying to choke you, so you can efficiently break out of it and get back to your feet. But if one can only learn one of the two, boxing is definitely more useful. BJJ is ONLY good in 1v1 situations. Boxing leaves you mobile to take on more than 1 person, or the opportunity to run if you're heavily outnumbered.*
Very well said Chew.
The pillars: some type of grappling with live sparring...bjj, judo, wrestling... PLUS
some type of striking with live sparring...boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai.
I am a boxing coach and my friend from high school was a wrestler/ coach. We would have this conversation often. I said the best martial art would be boxing/ wrestling combination. This was back in 1986...then MMA came along decades later.
Your advice is valid. Striking and grappling are both needed for self-defense. Even in HEMA when fighting with weapons, we practice grappling and takedowns (Fiore). Unless you are with your friends who can keep the other guy's buddies out of the fight, going to the ground in street fight is a bad place to be.
CACC is also part of HEMA, and is pretty much the equivalent of BJJ for HEMA.
Bro you answered this SO well. Awesome video man
Really core thought here is that martial arts develop the ability to think in a stressful situation! The fight stops being something unusual for you.
As someone who's been in quite a few street and school fights I've never really used jiu jitsu except a couple times but it's still very useful to know especially against untrained people who don't know how to defend it.
Best answer I've seen for this kind of question. Appreciate your videos man!
Chewy, you nailed it. Doing it live is crucial. I have trained in both the striking and now the grappling arts and always sparred in both. Helped tremendously when putting into use for real.
Thank you for a mature, reasonable answer. Every art is equally useful or useless depending on the environment, but live resistant training is where it’s at.
very true some people aren't worth fighting, cause somtimes you could really hurt them and you don't want that
Just train anything that has live resistance sparring. Spar hard a few times, do a lot of light sparring. Then apply that in a street fight, and you should win easily.
I thought these questions were already answered back in 1993 during UFC 1
Genuine survival situations can take place in many environments, involve restrictive clothing or injuries, weapons, multiple opponents and most likely the "fighters" don't know each other and won't attack one another from a distance after being given the go by a referee. Doing any sport that helps with physical fitness will improve chances of survival but cage fights cannot be directly likened to survival. They can be likened to ego fights between young men that happen a lot, are mutually agreed upon and can sometimes result in death. When I hear the term "street fight" I immediately think "ego fight" because random violence happening to adults is extremely rare. A very real problem with training any MA for self-defense is that to make sense of your hobby you'll be drawn to bad situations like flies are drawn to fecal matter because you develop false feelings of invulnerability and cannot use your skills for a non-controversial cause (if you don't care about sport) so even if you "win" you'll still be in the dung just like a fly whereas if you spent that same time learning languages or dancing you'd make only friends and no enemies and your reputation, health and finances would be unharmed.
mies vailla nykyisyyttä “extremely rare” have you been to America? Adults fight over road rage literally all the time. People will literally follow each other for 30 min plus, just to start a fight.
@@WhyMustiCry505 no in America we just shoot people over road rage. Not much fighting.
M B if you shoot an unarmed person because they cut you off in traffic, you are a coward.
@Robin Stiff Sadly yes. Skinny 170lb Brazilian took everyone down (big & small) and submitted them.
Just remember you're not going for a tap out. You're going for a snap out.
Or a nap out ! Lol😴
Interesting question. I've been rolling for a bit and have boxed since I was a kid and I'd say that in Michigan, BOXING is the better technique. Recently Michigan enacted some legislation that makes one of the greatest tools in BJJ a criminal offense (choke hold). As far as I know it is NOT a felony just to commit the act of punching someone in their face. Obviously if someone is seriously injured as a result of the punch then that's another matter. Just the act of using a "choke hold" of any kind is a felony in MI. MCL 750.84(1)(b) says:A person who does either of the following is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 10 years or a fine of not more than $5,000.00, or both:(a) Assaults another person with intent to do great bodily harm, less than the crime of murder.(b) Assaults another person by strangulation or suffocation.(2) As used in this section, "strangulation or suffocation" means intentionally impeding normal breathing or circulation of the blood by applying pressure on the throat or neck or by blocking the nose or mouth of another person.
As usual you've answered it before I could chime in LOL... I've been telling online warriors for almost twenty years that ALL of any combat training can work if you've had enough "mat time" (what us old folkstyle guys called experience...) on any of those styles, against somebody who knows nothing but being angry.
I've become completely scrambled in a multiple person fight before, when I had already wrestled since 6 years old to that night (about 26 years old). It helped that the wrestling training was typical for folkstyle-- hours and hours of real competitive training, by that time I'd had over 160 matches (which is kind of a big reason wresters are usually able to perform well under the lights and learn other styles-- we usually compete a LOT). Some guys in college but their senior year and doing off-season tournaments have had more than 500 matches before they're 22 years old.
Boxing obviously helps because lots of people just start swinging in a street fight. You'll be able to see what's coming on most non-athletic jerks.
Same with Jiu-jitsu; Of COURSE it will help you in a fight. If you can't get out of the fight (blocked from an exit), and they start wailing on you or grab you, and you know NOTHING? well you might win but it's a much bigger risk. If you know Jiu-jitsu at a solid level, such as purple belt at a real school? You never know where the fight is going to end up but it's only logical to understand having those skills can help immensely.
For those morons who think Jiu-jitsu is fake; They're the only guys who humbled me on the mats compared to people who don't train. f I got too entangled with them, they could catch me in a submission. Most people who never fought before who started with me (unfortunately I did fight a lot because I used to look so young for my age and I lived in a really bad neighborhood in my twenties).got rag dolled by me. I'm not even a big guy at all-- more on the smaller side. They just don't understand how much that training changes a person. You can see it in their eyes as soon as I grabbed them, before I even did anything.
But yeah... Jiu-jitsu can help. People weren't ready to accept seeing Jiu-jitsu wipe out all the "classic" Martial artists in the early competitions, and obviously their beloved movie- fight styles were the ones looking fake at that point. Now some know-it-alls repeat things they hear and call Jiu-jitsu "fake"? Ridiculous.
ANY style can help if you train enough years and challenge yourself with situations at the school that really test you.
I started training in BJJ and Muay thai a few weeks before my 45th birthday which was on May7th so, I'm about a month in and I've learned so much already. I come from a Taekwondo background, so I'm in a whole new world.
WTH is your old ass doing with BJJ or Muay Thai? You should be swimming, golf or bowling.
Glad you are still active and pursuing new goals like that, keep it up
@@bigbay1159 thank you
@@secondlibertygunclub924 much love to fellow bjj student. May it keep you young!
@@bigbay1159 thank You!!
I am Judo Black belt and BJJ brown belt, and i think that BJJ, or Judo Newaza are in self defense highly effective, but also extremly dangerous. It works against single unarmed opponent but you don't know if someone is unarmed and alone. So you can take someone who attacks you in front of the pub to the ground and his friend will come and kick you into head, or he will take a knife. If you are on your feet you will always be able to runaway but you don't have this option rolling on the ground. So in self defense i would be boxing or do some throws or takedowns, but i don't want to go to the ground. (Sorry for my English i am not native speaker)
Exactly. You should always have the chance to run away when fighting fails. It's very easy to get stabbed to death while grappling and there's plenty of vids where boxing defended itself against multiple opponents and won. Can't find any where a guy "grapples" 4 dudes and wins
This is similar to how one of my senseis explains sparring for MMA classes in our gym…
having the exposure to someone throwing punches at you helps to deal with stressful situations
In my experience, I'm frighten to take a fight to the ground. I'm a Brown belt in BJJ for 3 yrs and I stopped and started Catch Wrestling. I have a Boxing, Muay Thai, and Karate background, and I never saw use for BJJ in a real setting other than to how to fight a BJJ practitioner. If you have time to learn only one fighting style, take Boxing or Muay Thai. It's good to learn BJJ and Catch Wrestling because it's the fad of the day and you have a high chance to run into a practitioner and you need to know how to deal with them and have experience fighting them. But in a street fight, stay on your feet. Mobility is very important and never go to the ground because you will be like a roach on it's back. BJJ will only work in a controlled setting. It needs to be agreed that there will be no interference, one-on-one, a sectioned off area, and no one calls the authorities, security, or ect. Another thing people overlook is that BJJ can take time in some situations. You better be in the right when you are on the ground playing on the floor when the authorities arrive, because there is a thing called the LAW and you are most likely on the wrong side in a fight majority of the time. I rather have good positioning, a series of punches, knock 'em out and get the hell out of there, 1 min tops.
only good comment here, you know your shit.
Bjj is better than boxing or any striking style if you are facing one opponent who is not armed. Taking down and wrestling 1 dude is WAY less work and effort compared to using boxing.
But if you are facing multiple opponents or a guy with a melee weapon, yeah bjj would be a horrible idea.
Personally, I find it MUCH easier to combine quick footwork with pepper spray. With pepper spray you can diffuse anyone and won't break a sweat while doing it.
I agree with pretty much everything you say except that BJJ is only useful in a controlled setting. Yes I want boxing and wrestling first, but if a much bigger stronger opponent does end up on top of you despite your boxing and wrestling, does one then not wish they had BJJ? As you said, being a roach on it's back on the street is a awful, but it can happen, then what?
But if somebody tackles you your BJJ allows you to sweep them and get off your back.
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior BJJ doesn't work in streets. It's a sport made to work under rules . Very hard to take any half ass fighter down. I've trained in boxing and BJJ and the only thing BJJ is good for is competition. Yeah it's good to know multiple styles but if you only know BJJ you're going to get hurt in a real fight. Boxing and muay thai are superior to BJJ. UFC is a sport. Real life is different. Laying on your back with your legs spread isn't good for fighting in streets. And you use way more energy trying to take down a stronger person. In real life people can knee you and elbow you in your back and stomp you on the ground. In a real fight you don't have 15 minutes to wear the person down and try for a submission. Way less energy to get just out strike. Any half ass wrestler will stop take downs and mount you and bash you if you try BJJ in real life. I've done Jujitsu for 7 years and boxed about 7 years and theres absolutely no comparison in a real fight. The last place you want to be is on your back with your legs spread in a fight. Eddie Bravo even says BJJ is not meant for streets
Take note of how nearly every UFC fighter has bjj experience as well as striking
Not nearly
@@coreycollins6917 every*?
Also take note of how every fighter who is dominating the UFC in every division comes from a wrestling background as opposed to BJJ.
@@ttz4m3 generally have to do both cause if a wrestler takes someone in bjj down the bjj will win, but the will be taken down cause bjj takedowns are trash. The hostility from all of y'all is being seen as retarded and biased more than anything. The UFC was a marketing ploy by the Gracie's to prove bjj is the best and now every fighter has to do it along with wrestling (or other take down arts) and other striking arts, bjj is the best on the ground, undebateable and 90% of fights go to the ground. You need to be balanced or you'll get fucked.
@@tamamalosi you= extra chromosome, dumbass overused argument, frustrating lack of an open mind because of a few "bar fights", a lack of understanding about fight science.
I under stand your point, and there is some truth to it, but it's wrong, just cause you know how to hit a joint, a throat, or a bottle over ones head doesn't mean you know how to control the fight. It's nonsensical. I understand I'm coming of as hostile especially with ad hominem, but it's just wrong and it's been proven time and time again and before you have me prove it, take the time it takes to comment on this, and search it up yourself with an unbiased mindset.
Well put Chewy. I agree 100%. Greetings from Germany.
I prefer the stand up game, but..... I am so glad I have been taking BJJ, it's fun, challenging, and eye opening because of the overwhelming pressure someone can put on you. So great advise, I think it helps you be a more well rounded practitioner, developing pieces of ability and awareness that cross over in both.
So so refreshing to hear the honesty !
Its just the ground thing is dangerous in real life, 1 on 1 ok, but not in crowded places
I think jiu jitsu against someone who doesn't know how to grapple is very effective even if they're decent strikers, but what do I know, I just comment shit on yt.
Mario Bojorquez I’ve done it plenty of times !! It’s like playing with a baby . I embarrassed a guy in front of his girlfriend lol.
@@solodolo_mma3971
That is all fine and dandy when playing but in a fight were eye gouging, punching, bites and all around disgusting violence is at play it i not that effective.
The shortcomings with BJJ is that it is not a grappling form that emphasises stand up control like Judo and wrestling does.
Match winning points can be scored in both Judo and Wrestling not in BJJ or JJ.
bighand69 that’s completely untrue actually. Let me explain. There is sport BJJ for points and comps etc. then there is self defence BJJ, which is what it was meant for in the first place. That style we train with fists and standing up take downs self defence from punches, and being punched on the ground. It’s very effective
I belleive you should have experience in (boxing+kickboxing+juijitsu+wrestling), if you want to be really competent in a one on one street fight situation.
If you don't have any experience in one of those 4 styles you have a glaring whole in your self defense game.
A boxer could be clinched up knees kicked and elbowed
A kickboxer could get taken down ground and pounded
A wrestler could get choked out
A juijitsu artist could get his face punched in and his legs kicked from under him
But when you combine all the styles you can fight whereever the fight goes.
Stop comparing the styles start combining them
Well said
Finally..
Someone fucking said it
Dude, if you just know one of those in a street fight, your going to most likely fuck somebody up pretty badly. The chances of you being attacked, or being provoked by someone who knows what they are doing are slim to none.
There is a lot more factors that go into than that. For one being quality of training. Just because you’ve taken some wrestling & jiu jitsu classes down at your local YMCA don’t think you’re qualified to out grapple or “choke out” a Iowa state D1 stud wrestler. Mat time counts for a lot more than you might think. Just because you’ve touched down in multiple style disciplines doesn’t mean your going to outwork someone who has literally mastered a chosen discipline.
@@iitzDiRTY I agree with this, but the chances of a division 1 wrestler picking a fight with you are slim to none. It's usually someone who is Intoxicated, with zero fighting knowledge that does this. People go into these stupid debates assuming that both combatants know what they are doing, when 99.9 % of the time that is not the case. And the truth is, the only sure fire way to protect yourself in an altercation is to have a firearm, that will really end things quickly.
I think your right about the competitions preparing you for going against another resisting person. When you pit yourself against another human beings strength, endurance, intelligence, fortitude, cunning and all the other traits and resources a human being it's a reminder that it's not just you who has these abilities. It's a great reality check! Even just something like chess, solving chess puzzles is totally different than putting yourself against another persons intellect and skill and determination. It's great for keeping your ego in check. When you fight another person you are literally taking on the most advanced creature on this planet if you think about it.
Very well articulated, couldn’t agree more. Stress inoculation is a game changer.
Another thing... even tho I lived in the ghetto and fights happened. I probably been in 8 fights my whole and half of them ended on the ground. Jujitsu is solid and a common white belt can take down most guys with extra 10 pounds of weight. Overall best to avoid fights tho because if his friends are there they almost jump in 99% of the time.
Lol yep. Dudes are out here getting knocked out by chicks cause they are on the ground fighting another guy
Yup BJJ is great for 1 on 1. Else some of his mates will soccer kick you to the face.
@@TheHypernaught that's why I'd rather have great striking were I can one and done.
+Bryan G
Boxing is most effective as you can still get away if you are on your feet.
@@bighands69 also teaches you the mechanics to get the most power out of your shots
Preaching the truth, brother. Almost nobody can take a full strike to the face for the very first time in their life and expect to maintain control. Was beat up every day from kindergarten through 8th grade. Freshmen year I'd had enough of taking hits to the head and face and trying to escape; flat out by 9th grade I'd suffered so much head trauma that unless my head bounced off the concrete i never felt anything until hours later
And talking about practicing the Jiu-Jitsu without rolling, I hadn't had a real test of my jiu jitsu skills until my friend came over who is a combat veteran and studied the same Jiu-Jitsu I'm studying and he outweighs me by 80 lb and I was pretty impressive and impressed with how well I handled the situation.
my friend was also impressed and he said he has absolute faith that I'll have no problem defending myself against an average dude
damn, i still remember my first judo competition, i was orange belt at the time, and fought another orange belt on my first match. the way he came at me when the ref gave the signal... so fast and aggressive, i nearly shat myself. i had done a bit of metal prep for self defense before, about paying attention to aggressiveness, noticing intents, and at that moment i felt like the guy wanted to kill me.
in that split second, my training caught up, i noticed that his attack was fast and aggressive, but totally disorganized. the tall and slim man i am just grabbed his lapel and stopped him dead by framing my arm against his chest. then i just thought: "okay... now we are playing my pace" followed a full minute of me forcing him back to square every time he attempted a move or even blocking his footwork, too scared myself to try anything myself, but always pushing and pulling a bit on him while fainting so the ref wouldn't give me a penalty for staying only defensive (though i definitely was). eventually, he got frustrated and tried something stupid, we fell to the mat, i had done bjj before, next thing he was taping out.
really changed my perception of fighting, fought 5 guys that day that i had never met before and who where all really out to beat me. won 3 out of the 5 that day, one of my most mind changing opening experiences.
so if you were in a street fight with someone showing the same forward aggressive pace what would you do then?
@@HtheKing depends, it always depends. when i hear street fight i think aggression and self defense, so first goal is to not be in that situation to start with, next plan is getting the fuck away, last option is fighting back. but you may be thinking more about two guys settling an argument rather than a "stay safe at all cost" situation.
in that competition i was doing judo with judo rule, so the big difference is the distance that was always grappling range. when it's uncertain and open you have to expect kicks and punches from farther. i like to slow down the pace of the fights because it's my style, i often have the range advantage and a big chunk of my skills are grappling and throws, time is often on my side. from farthest range, i try to keep at bay with front kicks and low kicks, going in to get me has a cost, if they press further and get me in a boxing range i'm very uncomfortable and will look to grapple or shove away, if they get even closer and grapple with me, they better be good because i got decent judo skills. now if someone is really rushing at me trying to ignore my attacks to close the range, depending of how fast i react i can either try to stop him with a solid kick, a bit more late do a judo throw from whatever grip i find as he reaches me, and if i'm really too late, i could just accept the fall and try to get from it a good transition to a ground technique.
of course all of that is purely hypothetical, everyone got a plan until they get punched in the face and i'm definitely no exception.
I boxed and competed for 10 years. When I started BJJ I was really surprised just how easily I was literally manhandled - and that was by women lol
Haha, it's crazy isn't it?
@@Chewjitsu I actually remember driving home feeling so overwhelmed that I HAD TO learn this! Never looked back.
Happened to me too
@GlasgowBlueBear1690 hm.. why this silence is so suspicious ... ?
So many of the comments here are reminiscent of the pre UFC arguments of the early 1990s. In a "street" situation you simply aren't a complete fighter without grappling skills. Humans are essentially a walking bipod with a higher center of gravity. Good striking requires kinetic linking which is easy to disrupt. Simply put, solid grappling skills dramatically increase your ability to control positions ( or remain standing) enabling you to be a better striker.
"this game of chess we play where we try to choke each other."
-I want this on a tshirt or something, damn.
Yes
Kinky
There are shirts.
From personal experience Judo is by far the superior discipline for a street fight, as the ability to quickly throw someone to the floor while keeping your own feet will instantly win you 99% of all fights you ever get in. If you are a fast runner it will end 100% of fights you get in instantly.
Not a bad idea really. however, people aren't wearing a Gi on the street. A lot of Judo throws are heavily dependent on that tough cloth holding up
@@glitchdigger not especially, you’ll rip their shirt but the throw will still work. You can grip their waistband or belt for most throws, and you can simply grip their wrist or elbow if they have short sleeves. You may not even really need a good grip anyway. Again, unless your opponent is trained to counter throws you’ll most likely be able to pull off a half decent throw one handed because they’ll have no balance and not know which way to resist the turning, so they’ll twist their body the wrong way and basically throw themselves.
I speak from experience when I say your main trouble will be making sure they don’t hit the ground too hard.
For a guy who has a 9 to 5 job, its already hard enough to come to BJJ classes 3x a week. To take up boxing on top of that is just a bit much.
You don't have to be an expert in boxing techniques. After a bit of training, just try to spar as much as you can. What sparring will give you is the experience to not panic and start flailing when someone is coming at you.
The more you spar, the more comfortable you'll be with getting hit. Low level boxing is mostly just training yourself to keep your composure when someone is attacking you. Since your time is limited, I would recommend you get your boxing to the point where you can remain calm while someone is throwing haymakers at your face, then focus on BJJ.
Diego Benzo wtf does that have to do with anything?
@@WarriorsfanDubnation My guess is if you have a rich dad, you dont need a 9-5 job so you can train as much as you like. With a poor dad, you cant....
Quassar that actually does make sense lol
Sean Wilson why work so hard? You are not gonna remember it in the void
Well said. The key is live sparring. I think it was Matt Thorton who talked about "aliveness" when it comes to martial arts as sorting the more real from the less real.
You may be able to find a bjj gym that offers up some striking and mma classes as well
Truth. Found one local that offers pure bjj, and mma bjj. I'm excited to do the mma bjj since I have experience in kickboxing I'll like the mix.
@El Cucuy Have you actually trained? Many BJJ places do Muy Tai as well...Shit my local BJJ gym which isnt nothing special does this and so do the ones in Denver...
@El Cucuy I go to a Gracie Barra gym and we do Muy Tai but if you're gym makes it a bad thing to mention a standing art then im sorry I would have my doubts about the place. I get not training that sure but a gym shouldn't make is a taboo just to mention...Red flag
I agree wholeheartedly. Boxing and BJJ really cover each other's weaknesses well. The combination of the two can be devastating.
I like your thinking because your 100% correct, before I got into Jiu jitsu, I boxed for 6 years. Although I love BJJ, it helps to know the basics in the striking department.
Great video! On a side note, just avoid fights whenever possible (which is most of the time)
Always avoid the fight. The negative consequences are innumerable. Especially if you live in a state like new york, like I do, where the law benefits the aggressor
Bitch
Matthew Van Helden How?
@@samuelguerra8600 First, the main problem is that's it's generally wildly vague (the self defense laws) and your whole life can depend on the particular cop that shows up, the da that prosecutes the case and the judge/jury. There is no castle doctrine, which is a good example; if someone breaks in to your home to murder your family, you have to try and flee your home. That includes not being in your home, obviously, if they can prove you could have left the situation, or prove you did not attempt to, you could be liable. You're not allowed to carry any sort of weapon of any kind (it's criminal possession of a weapon to possess anything you intend to use as a weapon). More specifically for someone attacking you, you can meet their level force technically
This is probably the best take I've heard on the whole "my thing is better than your thing" debate
He's totally right, great commentary. Lift weights, take BJJ for 6 months to a year, and work on your boxing/kicks.
I've never met a "boxer" I couldn't take down at will. And my takedowns suck. I was a correctional officer, cop and security for two night clubs at various times in my life and Jiu-jitsu is gold. Not sport BJJ but REAL Gracie Jiu-jitsu. (a huge percentage of sport grappling goes out the windows when strikes are added.) Boxing is great and I highly recommend it. It works great...until someone grabs you, you get tackled, you fall etc. Find me a good boxer and let me show him how to sprawl and escape the mount and you got a legit badass. Show me a good blue belt or above in BJJ and let me show him a few simple striking combos, how to slip a punch and distancing and I'll show you a badass.
You gave me the perfect combo idea for my self defense lol I'm thinking about getting back into bjj I did it all through highschool til I was 17 then I started working full time started smoking lost my stamina I was good on the ground I could execute the triangle in about a second on someone with no fighting experience or defense against holds or chokes I quit smoking and thought about going to Gracie close to where I live me doing wrestling doesn't seem likely I'm 5'8 145 pounds but I'm totally gonna mix boxing with my bjj
@@dirttrackdevil1149 everyone's experiences are different. Most fights are over before they can hit the ground. I've seen dudes who go to MMA gyms and jiu jitsu get fucked up because they went against a better fighter, not just a jiu jitsu practitioner. In saying that it is useful for people in law enforcement and corrections for sure especially when trying to take someone into custody. I would say striking and footwork/conditioning is the best thing to learn for the average person. If they can then throw jiu jitsu in there. A lot of people get fucked up trying to go for the takedown. Stay on your feet and get away.
Hey chew! :D I just competed this last weekend, i won bronze Gi and gold no gi on my weight-class! :) i also went open weight gi and no gi, i had overall 12 matches in two days, i had 9 wins and 3 Losses :) I went last month and lost 2 and won 1. Super happy with the results, i have to leave my gym now in July/august so I am super happy that i won Gold and Bronze for my team and coach! :D Iam a white Belt/beginner, Super fun :D this was my second time competing, as always everyone is really nice and respectful after losses and even in victory :)
Bloody well done mate. Are you still doing BJJ? At a new studio now, or did you give it away? How long have you been doing it?
Just finished my second BJJ class. Your videos helped motivate me to get out there and try it. 💪🏾🙏🏾
Keep on rolling it's a great experience.
@@NS22012 I'm already feeling the hooks of addiction sinking in lol
I've been going on and off for a year and for the past month I've been consistent. It may sound cheesy but it really grows on you. I'll miss a day of class and the rest of my day is ruined. Like I highly suggest anyone to try it and stick to it. I hope you enjoy your experience.
Are you doing the GI or No GI variation. Both can be very different
@@quasar4601 mwf is gi tts is nogi, i like both but you're right; very different animals.
If I get attacked, I drop to the ground, curl into the fetal position and sob gently why whining "please don't hurt me" till my attacker walks away in disgust.
I started Mma as ex golden glove boxing champ from a wrestling family so i new a couple take downs an subs an got destroyed in my first training by a 3 tab white belt in bjj an i had 8kg on him he tapped me twice in 1min..... that was the start of my bjj journey . bjj beats boxing most of the time
In UFC/MMA ....High Level WRESTLERS are the most dominate, See every champion and top 5 in every weight class. BUT!!! they still must be MMA.
Why not train both
computerhoofd Jiujitsu and Muay Thai and that’s all she wrote
@@joelramirez6261 I do the same thing man. BJJ and Muay Thai. But I do love playing top game for BJJ more so (I think???) that's a bit more "realistic" . But guard is ultra important as well. Mainly BJJ but I do a fair amount of Muay Thai to be "rounded".
Exactly..
@@joelramirez6261 gotta throw in some Catch as Catch Can and boxing. Maybe some silat or Kali flair if you like playing around with knives.
cmiller8492 boxing typically is not near as expensive as BJJ. There are ghetto gyms in every city where you will pay no more than 40 a month. BJJ on the other hand is expensive AF. I do both but there is no comparison in price.
Great video and question.
I've personally never been in a "street fight". The closest encounters I've had to a street fight was snapping at a bully in high school and punching him in the jaw, and then getting assaulted by two guys later in life (in my early 20's). The latter which is why I started judo, and have been doing judo now for over 14 years. Since starting judo, I have never been involved in a potentially violent confrontation. The reason I took up judo is because at the time, I was unemployed and didn't have a driver's license... judo was close to home, and it was cheap. But through judo, I fell in love with the sport, made lifelong friends, gained a passion for health and interest, got my blackbelt, and now help to teach judo to children, teenagers and adults.
I think martial arts and sports like Brazilian jiu-jitsu (BJJ), judo, mixed martial arts (MMA), boxing, kick boxing, muay thai, wrestling etc. could all potentially work for self-defence. My bias towards these arts and sports is their heavy emphasis on sparring, as well as cardiovascular conditioning, which can replicate "real fighting" in a safe training environment. Physical fitness is an important element for self-defence. Then there's also the competition element, which when you think about it, is a much higher intensity version of a training environment, as you're likely to be fighting an opponent who is coming at you with 100%, because their goal is to beat you and win the match.
From my understanding, the goal of BJJ is to generally take your opponent to the ground, where they will have less advantage of their strength and/or size and they can be defeated by techniques such as strangles, joint locks etc. I think what a lot of people forget is that BJJ would teach a little more than this, such as how to escape ground situations. So, if a bad person tried to take you to the floor and/or got you on the floor in a street fight), you would likely know a way (or multiple ways) to try and escape and return to standing. You would likely know as well in how to fall over safely and mitigate injury (break falls). So... while I don't like the idea of deliberately taking someone to the ground in a street fight, I can imagine that BJJ would have many other useful benefits for real life situations.
One thing that does bother me about a lot of clubs/gyms, particularly judo and BJJ, is they often claim "self-defence" as an advertising point of their gym/club, but then they only teach their art as a sport with rules. In my opinion, if a gym/club is going to claim "self-defence" as a selling point, they should offer classes or training sessions with a self-defence curriculum in mind.
I will admit, martial arts of any art or sport can offer some people a false sense of security. I'm a blackbelt in judo and I am not a small person, but I have no idea how I would fair in a "real" fight against a violent person who wants to hurt me or worse, and I don't ever want to try and find out. If someone threw a punch at me, I might do something cool and throw the guy to the ground. Or... I might just get straight up punched in the head, fall to the ground, become unconscious, and either wake up in hospital, or die. I really have no idea what might happen.
When it comes to martial arts, I think people need to stop fixating on what is the "best" for self-defence... they act like they're going to get into a street fight tomorrow, and/or that they're going to regularly get into street fighting. The reality is, street fights don't happen on a regular basis in most modern world places, and when it comes to awful crimes like muggings, assault or murder, they often happen when the victim is unfortunately not aware and/or is in a vulnerable circumstance (like unlocking your car late at night, or using an ATM), those terrible situations aren't exactly "fights".
In my rather biased opinion, I generally find the people who debate about martial arts for "self-defence", which is the "best" or "worst" etc. tend to be the people who don't train in anything at all... and I reckon they should do something. They might really enjoy it and find a new passion. When it comes to what martial art(s) they want to do, they should focus on what they're interested in, as well as what's locally available, costs involved etc. Someone might be really keen to try BJJ, they give it a go, and maybe it's not their cup of tea, and that's okay... or they might love it!
As for "self-defence", I think it's important to at least have an understanding of the non-physical side of things. People's body language, how close they are to you, how they're presenting themselves (clenched fists, heavy breathing), their tone of voice, choice of dialog, as well as other things like pathways to exit(s), obstacle(s) toward exit(s), people who can help, people who may not help (like the angry person's friends) etc.
I completely agree, if you are undertaking martial arts to learn "self-defence", then you should consider multiple arts, e.g., a grappling art, and a striking art (like BJJ or judo with boxing/kick boxing etc.)
As a private security officer with background in american wrestling, I'm really interested in starting up BJJ, but I also recognize and admit that my striking ability and durability after receiving strikes are likely my biggest weakness when it comes to street fights. So in that regard, I agree with you that anyone getting into BJJ should look into boxing as well. Most of my favorite fighters in the UFC are the most well rounded, who can trade blows AND maintain their defense and offense while on the ground.
Grappling and boxing are tools. It's up to you to decide which tool is right for the job. There are situations where you need to grapple and there are situations where you'll need to strike.
Despite my bias as a wrestler, if someone asked me which martial art they should train if they could only choose one, I would recommend BJJ.
"The name of the game is to go home the same"-Vee Jitsu 75
If he criminal is armed or got mates you don't Jiu Jitsu. You run because that is the wise thing to do. If its any 1 on 1 streetfight you do Jiu Jitsu.
You're like if bert kreisher actually got in shape and took fighting lessons from Rogan
2 funny lmao
Brent chrysler would be soo lucky 🤣
Starting BJJ tonight.
I feel like a kid on Christmas
How’s it going so far?
@@ryanhuestis2955 Sorry for the late reply buddy, but I'm really enjoying it so far! Completely alien to me but I'm enjoying learning a new martial art from scratch
@@braderslooloo have you stuck it out ?
It’s been 11 months. Update?
update?