I Got My Delusional Co-Worker to Try BJJ. . . Big Mistake!
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- Опубликовано: 17 июл 2024
- Recently a subscriber of the channel, we will call him Bob, who has been training for over a year, messaged me to tell me about a crummy experience he had with a co-worker who he invited to the gym to start training BJJ.
Well, a few classes in, Bob's coworker & Bob finally rolled.
In the Roll Bob takes it easy, even allowing his friend to submit him when they rolled. The issue began after the roll when Bob's co-worker says "Hah, you couldn't even get me." This being said after their light roll (where Bob was just playing).
Well to make it worse, a few days later at their place of work, the co-worker also boasted about the roll against Bob & the Head Instructor; embarrassing Bob and leaving him frustrated about what to do next.
This obviously rubbed Bob the wrong way and he is wondering if he should: confront his co-worker directly about the issue, have a talk with the coach, let it go, or if I had any other ways to resolve the problem in mind...
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I usually immediately submit a new white belt a couple of times, then let them work. Just letting them know that we're here to learn and not to feed our egos.
This is the way
@@tigercrush2253 This is the way
Literally did this last night. I'm 49. Prof put me in a round robin with 2 young stud white belts. They both told me to take it easy on them. Tapped each one in the first minute and then spent the rest of the rounds letting them rag doll me.........told them both I got lucky and they were awesome.
Yes.
Don’t ever let them “work” submit them as many times as you can.
This kind of cracked me up. As a new blue belt a while back, I was rolling with a brown belt in a 5 minute round. He’s not submitting me…I’m thinking wow, my defense is really on point today. With about 30 seconds left on the clock, I catch him watching the clock, as we get to 15 seconds he promptly chokes me for a submission. I started laughing, he’s like what? I said you just didn’t feel like resetting every half minute did you. He smiled and said good roll. The cool thing was, I really did get a lot out of it. He worked a lot of attacks giving me different looks and letting me try different moves. You really do have to appreciate days like that.
As a shitty white belt, we really appreciate you guys letting us work! I also think it's important for me to hear that I'm getting better from the higher belts, because it never seems like I do any better against them because they sort of always give the same amount of difficulty relative to my skill level, if that makes sense. Sometimes after a roll I feel like I got completely smashed, then the guy will say something like "you're getting better man", which is a huge help.
Yea once you get skills they won’t like you anymore
Keep going on that trajectory and in a years time some new white belt will enter your gym, you'll roll with him and the difference will be huge. Sounds like these higher belts know how how to keep you progressing 👌🏼
Moves eventually will become instinctive. Once you’re there. Ride the waves. Focus on technique
Same here man. I've had purple belts (even blue) let me through their guard, and I know it's not a patronizing thing - they are helping me train where I need to
You got great guys around you
At our gym we have a dad who's son trains, his son is a blue belt. The dads never grappled in his life, just a big cut up body builder. He always screams at his son after a roll, telling him what he did wrong. Yesterday our Professor asked the dad to roll with him! Lets just say it looked like a cat playing with a mouse! Dad got humbled.
Love this. I'm two weeks into BJJ at 48 and joined specifically so I could experience the same thing I signed my two boys up for.
Don’t see how the pressure of a dad is negative for his improvement
I wrestled for 10 years and have done bjj for 4 and a half years I’m a purple belt. Whenever I get friends into the gym it’s absolutely insane how clueless they are about how easy people go with them. Had to submit my buddy 10 times and break him mentally one day because he was going around saying he could take me. Homeboy after the roll was giving the 1000 yard stare at the wall for 15 minutes after class😂 he’s my size but grew up wrestling me as well it’s just my bjj is so many years ahead of him and he got that reality check
Lol I always have the biggest trouble with wrestlers when they do their first class. Example being a buddy of mine who’s 6’4 330lbs wrestler powerlifter. Very very confident guy like rub it in ur face confident and at the time I was just a white belt but I had just recently fought in the cage and I meet him and he’s working and he starts slamming me and some other dudes a little to aggressively and immediately bragging about it. Not like subtle oooh but like saying this doesn’t even work kinda stuff. we start actually working on him and I’ve never seen a man’s ego die so fast he rolled with a newly minted blue who he did some kinda mean slams too earlier and this blue took him for a ride, I’m talking 6 min rds and this blue must’ve tapped him 12-16 times. It was like a lightbulb had shattered. He was questioning everything in his life because he thought he was invincible. Afterwards one of our higher belts took him to the side and tried giving him a pep talk but he only ever came to one or two more classes before quitting.
Yes but also your belt doesn’t necessarily show how good you roll. Some people win from just being stronger and more athletic. As a white belt I’ve submitted some blues and purples who were just not on their game that day. Let’s not Pretend belts are super powers and that doesn’t happen. I’ve been in the club for a while so they’re not going extremely easy on me anymore.
@@mikeylitchfield4651 everyone knows this lmao it’s not that deep it was just background I’m no world champ homie and won’t pretend to be one it’s all good😂
@@mikeylitchfield4651 yeah but the strength aspect only matters in extreme circumstances most of the time especially if ur a larger grappler. Like I’m 205-220 and close to purple now and I get that people have off days and that yeah there’s definitely belts that can sub higher belts. Like I’ve subbed some blacks browns and purples but that doesn’t mean I can kick their ass. I was just saying the guy was given some working room cause he’s new and we aren’t trying to scare people off and he was kinda an ass about it so we stopped letting him move and went ahead and showed him not to be a duck(🦆)about it. I will say there’s a balance between brute strength and technique. 100% technique can be beaten by extreme weight and strength difference. But also having 100% muscle and weight is limiting in the fact that u could stall ur progress in learning proper jiu jitsu technique. Also when someone closer to ur size and strength shows up who has better technique they’ll destroy that person. Like the halfthjor rolled with a 160lbs black belt and he subbed the black belt with pressure but the black belt subbed him with a rear naked as well. All in all it’s a balancing act. (just a blue belt and this is purely my opinion on my own experiences in actual fights and in training as well as advice from some scary people)
@@isaacnaeger8205 sure if all other things are equal the guy with better technique will win. Kind of disagree in terms of competition. In a comp you definitely should use all your strength and athleticism. For learning though sure there’s no need to go 100 all the time. That applies to all combat sports I would say. I don’t like the mentality some clubs have of shaming people for using strength though unless it’s a female or a child. As long they’re not doing anything dangerous I don’t see the problem. Keep in mind if you’re in a competition and you get badly matched up with Someone that guy isn’t going to go easy on you.
I got a friend to try BJJ recently. I have 4 years on him. I'm 160lbs, he's 260lbs.
FIRST thing I did was have him roll with me, told him to try whatever he wanted while I was on my back. He mentioned hitting the groin, biting, etc. I agreed.
I took his back twice in maybe 10 seconds total.
AFTERWARDS I worked with him & had other people work with him as well. He appreciated the subtle reality check & now he loves it.
Why "do whatever" part? Sounds kinda like your power fantasy made real by the fact the guy knows you, is in a new enviroment and wants to have fun.
@@CryptoC4T What a weird projection. MY friend thought he could hurt me, so I very nicely showed him that he couldn't even if he tried. It's called a REALITY check so he won't be delusional thinking he is some juggernaut. After that i HELPED him & got others to help him. Now he loves it. I even told him a guy his size only needs a few months and I'm in trouble.
I've literally been told by my coach & other teammates I'm TOO nice sometimes. Get out of YOUR own head about me.
Small guys crack me up. It’s not about small trained guys ability to repeatedly sub untrained big guy. Like mentioned above main point is in a very short time much lesser trained large man inevitably dominating more trained small guy. Martial arts doesn’t change the rules of nature. It may only slow down the inevitable at best. Like it or not no matter how much you train you are a slave to your genetics…
What belt are you? It usually works out the exact opposite way. A 250lb athletic dude who is strong can typically rag doll a 160lb blue belt for a decent amount of time until they tire out. Also, take into consideration that he was likely being a good training partner and trying not to hurt you because you’re slight in build. There’s a reason that the Gracies put so much emphasis on weight advantage equating to belt advancements.
@@sbcbaits994 I haven't put the Gi on in years. I could say I'm a blue belt (1 year) but then I'd be called a sandbagger so I tell people how long I've trained instead (4+ years). If I had to give a scale, I beat blue belts, compete with purples, and survive with browns.
I (purple belt) was rolling with one of my white belt buddies a few weeks back and I submitted him after a couple minutes. He looked at me and - definitely jokingly - said "alright, no more submissions." So I smiled and said "OK then. I'm going to give you everything, but I promise not to repeat submissions." We rolled for another 3-4 minutes or so and I submitted him about 6 more times. After the roll he looked at me and asked something like "Is that how much the upper belts are always holding back with white belts?" I said "Well, not always, but yeah kind of." He just sat back, nodded his head for a few seconds, and then said "That's awesome. I've got work to do."
Come on now.
Thats wholesome.
That probably was a great learning experience for them, really nice of you to do it that way
Mat enforcers are sometimes necessary. I've seen some epic attitude adjustments happen. They stopped short of actual injury, usually, but contained lots of pain. They're fun to watch because by the time they're needed, they are well deserved. The victims either change their ways or don't come back. Either way is a win.
I’m an old guy, once rolling with a larger, younger guy he got mount then pressed his forearm into the bridge of my nose. I tapped, then complained loudly, his next roll was with the enforcer. He never came back. It wasn’t till a few years later that we had an enforcer.
@@andrewkarl5174had that as a smaller guy rolling with a much bigger, stronger guy. He tried to do the James Bond neck snap on me and spent the rest of class getting dunked on by our resident brown belts
@@andrewkarl5174
Sounds like a terrible place. I'm glad I never met people with such a poor attitude.
If someone rolls too hard for your liking: tell them. Simply as.
Different folks want to roll in different ways and I simply adjust to that.
I finally rolled with my coach a couple days ago and the best way I can describe it is that I felt like the ground beneath my feet was moving. I was just constantly being off balanced. He wasn’t even trying. I don’t think people have any idea what rolling with a good black belt is like until they’ve done it. It’s a spiritual experience
Yeah the vast majority of people dont realize how helpless they are against someone well trained
Sadly a lot of our well trained practitioners won't...I don't disagree. Our well trained practitioners are really not the ones you want to roll with!
I never let a new guy out of a roll without tapping them. It's a skill, learning experience, and humbling experience all at once. I will let them work till there is minute left then I put them on there back and let the struggle till about 20 seconds is left and I tap em. They are always appreciative and it gives us both work.
Just earned my first stripe. Guys at my gym would let you play for a minute or two but always make sure to show you who's the boss afterwards. As a beginner I really appreciated it. I learn more when I get submitted and analyze my mistakes.
Good to hear that, i'm happy for people like You.
Tap to learn 👍👍Those who tap more often are probably those who keep learning and try knew things, over long run, they will get better achievements technically & knowledgeably in my opinion. So, Tap to Learn has deeper meanings.
Yes. I think a HUGE part of learning BJJ is actually feeling what it's supposed to feel like when you do a move. An experienced bjj player will be able to show you and talk about the move they are doing on a surface level, but unless they have really thought about it, they won't be able to convey a bunch of important details (mostly of how, where and when to apply pressure), because it's just second nature to them, and they also learned it through experience, rather than verbally or visually.
Numerous times have I had white belt partners do a move we were showed that looked identical to what the instructor was showing. But when i'd ask the instructor to do the move on me, the the difference was just mindblowing.
You are such a blessing to the J community. I'm now a Brown belt and have been watching you from white belt
I think the J community is something else, haha
@@Quantumoonthe worst is the Reddit BJJ community.
First degree black belt here. 51 yrs old. I’m not often the “mat enforcer”, but when I have to be, I usually immobilize someone and give them “the talk” while I’ve got them trapped. It’s another level when someone is casually giving you feedback while they’re pinning you and squeezing the air out of your lungs. 😂
Sometimes people have short attention spans. But you can always squeeze in some good pointers! *drumroll*
You have a horrible attitude.
What's so hard about talking to people normally?
You somehow need to use every opportunity to feed your ego.
I'm glad to be at a place where no one is like that.
Someone rolls too hard? Tell them. Simple as.
One of my professors had that happen. He took it easy on a day 1 student. The guy walked out of the gym talking about how unimpressed he was. So, there’s a new rule: you light the new guy up, not to be a jerk, but to make it clear that it’s not going well for him. As soon as that’s clear, take a bad position and escape over and over again.
Yeah. You don't even need to smash. Just keep him off balance the whole round.........or give em a little knee on belly. 🥵 Always worse than getting tapped.
See I am about to start BJJ. I think I will do ok against some white belts but I come from wrestling I want ever person to smash me 100% of the time. I was very much a defense of wrestler. I let you do what you want and as soon as you try something I counter. about 90% of the time I play wrestling and 10% I would get mad (something they did dirty). That's when I would go on offense and smash them. Like Senior year I was ranked 5th in State had to Wrestle number 1 guy 3 Time state Champ and has not lost in 2 years. He did one dirty move in the end of the first period. Even one that knows me see my mood and eyes change from having fun to being pissed. I began to smash him tech falling him in the second period finishing disrespectful arm throw getting up instead of finishing for a pin.
@@Lpass2020that was how my gym got me hooked as a new white belt. they weren't submitting me much, but there were tons of sweeps and throws.
Martial arts Professor huh, let me guess he had like 5 black belts in obscure styles??? If they expect to be called Professor is a good indication they probably aren't legit.
@@gavinmickwee8853 Isn't professor one of the accepted terms for BJJ blackbelts?
Sometimes compassion is fierce. Being compassionate enough destroy a dangerous delusion in a student,friend or loved one that could very well hurt them down the road…it’s not always comfortable for either party. You are genuinely helping them see things as they are. Well done.
My Dad and I are relatively high rank in Hapkido. We recently moved halfway across the country. I started BJJ. My Dad was looking into a Hapkido school, and decided to try it out. The man running it was incredibly arrogant, hypocritical, and had zero respect for our prior training. My BJJ gym, on the other hand, has respect for the journey I've been on. They still give me a deserved white belt and smash the living hell out of me, but they're nicer about it. Anyway, my Dad had zero interest in BJJ, but decided to give it a try. And still, even though he's not that interested in BJJ, he would rather train it at my dojo, than go back to that hapkido school.
It sounds like that Hapkido instructor has zero business sense. Sounds like you’re both in the right place now, bro.
@@chrismayclin6397 Yeah, it was hilarious. He has us doing combinations. Then next is teaching us a punch saying "we don't do combinations, we end the fight with one punch."
Said "we don't do anything but pure self defense here. No sport, not movie crap. Just pure self defense." The advanced students were working on jump split kicks.
Also said "I'm not going to tell you what's right or wrong, I'm going to tell you what I know," and then crapped all over boxing and how they do things wrong for the streets.
So many mixed messages from him.
Hapkido is a meme sport, do BJJ instead
I have a 52 yr old female student that has about 16 yrs in a similar martial art. She is about 5’6” 155lbs. She is one of my quickest learners. She is picking up complicated timing skills much more quickly than the standard clean slate student. In my opinion there are a lot of martial arts looked down upon, but the human body can only move in a finite way. Over time the movement patterns are predictable. Someone that has never trained has no understanding of this. Someone that trained any legitimate martial art skill for a fairly decent time absolutely understands this. It really doesn’t matter if it is upright standing or flat on the ground. There is an element of familiarity.
@@marcusaurelius841 Did you even read what you commented on?
I had this happen recently with a coworker. Next time we rolled I just held heavy top pressure and didn’t let him move for the roll until I submitted him. He knew why when we were done, now I go back to helping.
I remember as a white belt rolling with my professor thinking I did really well and like i was ready to take on the world. Then I saw him roll with another white belt in the class and I realized he was deliberately presenting situations to us to see if we knew what to do, like grips to go for or frames etc. it was a big lightbulb moment for me and honestly gave me a ton of respect for his coaching and his method to assess our progress
This information is golden. Appreciate the great content as always.
I’m a 43 yr old guy. I’m a new purple belt, but was a blue belt for about 4 years or so. I am also an instructor. My background for the last 21 years is behavioral modification, specifically teaching and training autistic children how to communicate and appropriately respond to stimulus in an environment, utilizing positive reinforcement and redirection into correct behaviors. I love teaching and I love BJJ. My whole purpose is to make my students and training partners the best they can be. Unfortunately a few of the guys at my primary training gym, which I don’t instruct typically, got me allowing them to work particular positions and techniques as an invitation to go from 50-60% to 110% when caching something. They didn’t quite understand that I’m forcing them to make the correct adjustments. I will fight them tooth and nail when they are doing the wrong thing, and almost zero resistance if doing the correct thing. ie: Redirection and positive reinforcement. Sometimes they get this confused. That’s when my instructor cap comes off and my “don’t be a dick” cap goes on. I clearly reestablish my skill and ability and then go back to instructing. Young BJJ people, and young meaning as in time in BJJ not age, tend to need reminders of the levels in BJJ.
I’ve got a guy a my gym who does this. I love rolling with him. No doubt many people recognize how awesome you are👍🏼
We had a guy similar to your approach for years who doubled as a mat enforcer when someone was being a real douche. It was always great rolling with him, because he never cranked anything, and I could tell he was really being very controlled and trying to help me improve. His background wasn't behavior modification, however. He worked on an oil rig lol. But he was just an incredible training partner.
That's right. Had a similar situation with some guy at the dojo. I'm a one degree blue belt and when my coach let me do they beginner's class i like to let the people work in a roll but sometimes it's necessary show them how is this thing. I don't like to do it but there are some cases when your only choice is doing it.
@@sebastianaguirre8726 Yeah, all too familiar with that. We say, “that we had to put a new guy down”. Not fun almost like a fight in some cases, but that’s the only way some people learn.
Do you tell your normal group of people you’re teaching this way clearly in advance? Idk if it could be an issue that polite autistic children would think the techniques work a lot better then they actually do or any similar misunderstandings?
One of my former coaches gave me great advice on this topic. He said whenever he rolls with someone for the first time, he quickly submits them twice, and then lets them play a bit for the rest of the round so there's no question in anyone's mind what's really happening. He said for new white belts, it's often the move of the day, so they can experience and feel the power and potential of what they just learned, and how even if it's a simple move, putting 15-20 years of experience behind the move can make it unstoppable. I'm just starting to get to that level where I can try to recreate this, at least on white belts. Lots of spazzy new white belts will come at me 100mph and I'll try to reverse what they give me but often still I'm like man at 43 I don't have the energy to deal with this I'm just gonna frame up and hope they gas out.
I've been doing BJJ for a year and a half and my biggest achievement so far was making a brown belt fart out of effort mid roll so I was starting to think "maybe I can take on some blue belts now" then I rolled with an experienced blue belt with very good defense and active feet and I felt like I was entangled in a spiderweb.
Sometimes we all need reality checks lmfao
Lol. There is always a 4th degree black belt who farts when we are doing Kase-getame situps as a warmup. It's too fn funny.
just let it go bro, if he tries again someone else will smash him . Everyone comes in thinking they are better than they really are. then they get that ego check real quick then they decide if its for them or not.
Yeah let the big brother aka mat enforcer handle it lol
Exactly that or using ALL strength to do anything and get gassed in the first couple minutes. That was me 15 mos ago 😅 happens to the best of us and it’s surprising how many people say they like it and don’t stick around but for a few months.
sometimes i purposefully roll with advanced opponents just to get humbled, in order for my ego to not get too big lol
No, they don't.
Most people going to bjj classes do go there specifically because they think that knowledge and skill plays a huge role in grappling. They've heard Joe Rogan or someone talk about how helpless you are against someone experienced and that's why they signed up.
@@KazzArie
>or using ALL strength to do anything
What kind of idiotic accusation is that?
They literally just started. Strength is the only thing they have when they just started out. It's the job of the coaches to introduce more and more efficiency.
I was asked to be a mat enforcer for the first time a few days ago. It was glorious.
Love this video, Got to stay humble!🥋
I subscribed after watching this. Well communicated thoughts on how to handle rolls, individuals and philosophy on best practice. Thank you.
I've been training for 2 months now. Im easily the biggest and strongest in the gym. I've always relied on my strength and I'm extremely lucky to have it still at 40 years old. But over the last two months the feeling of getting that strength taken away from me and getting twisted into a knot by someone half my size has grown me so much mentally and emotionally. The respect i have for this sport and the people in it is huge!!
hey Chewy my man right of the bat it looks like someone has been doing alot of road work.
hope you have not sick brother.
love the channel.
Love you chewy can't wait to come back and roll with you soon... Hope Chad is doing great as well 🙏🏾
Shut up Aaron
I need more of these long-form videos they're great
Excellent, a very nice way to describe how the culture of a good BJJ gym works
I think it’s great when people rolling with you give you room to work but it’s also great when they capitalise on everything and wreck you, both valuable experiences
Man that guy has zero self awareness lol. I remember rolling with a brown belt once and he was basically letting me drill because he wasn't trying to really stop me and I was ok with that because I can use all the practice I can get. He gave me a few pointers too, he was a super nice guy. I went to competition prep class and had to roll with dude and the whole look in his eye was different.... I knew in that moment this was going to be quick. I lasted maybe 30 seconds lol
As a 4 month white belt, it is fun rolling with the higher belts bc there’s no competitive aspect of it, we all know he can end the match whenever he wants. It’s fun to explore and see the things they throw at me and try to figure out an response
I was a small blue belt in Judo weight about 50kg and this new white belt is quite big about 80-85kg over me. And he really pull it hard on me thinking that I dont have skills. He ended up pass out by Hadaka Jime from me.
you knew in that moment that you fucked up, lol.
There are definitely people who are not aware, or are not smart enough in some aspects, to realize that as a new student, if you are in a good academy, they will try to guide you and be "soft" with you. Some need to be humbled, nothing harsh, just a little demonstration to get them grounded. good video. Sorry my english
Good stuff - best way is to show them, like you said - there can be no confusion after that 😂
Good video, Chuy! You're a cool leader! Between the egos and roids causing you to injure your partner is a big turnoff for BJJ.
That's the worst... I'm a fairly big white belt (6'2 height 275lbs). If anything I've become far more humble about my skills. I wouldn't call myself weak perse as a heavyweight, but I got smashed by a dude half my size in my first class. I had no ego going into the gym in the first place.
Dude if you keep training you'll be able to maul people like it's nothing.
Good man.
4 stripe white here. I think it’s important to get steamrolled by higher belts every once in a while, exactly because it does let you know where you are. The guys I train with, mostly blues, are really good at letting me work. But they will also turn it up sometimes and I learn a lot from that too.
As a new white belt, I very much appreciate being given the space to work, and am always aware you're being nice.
As someone who is 6 weeks into ever training a marital art, it seems like it gets very confusing as to when someone is allowing me to work versus trying their best to pass guard/submit me.
As you are pointing out, the ego issues come from more of a lack of communication between the partners rolling and I think it is more the responsibility of those more experienced to have that conversation rather than just beat/submit a guy, and then let them work on the other rolls. In my experience in life, it's the lack of understanding between people that seems to get the emotions higher and just doing something without explaining does not work for a lot of people in terms of communicating intentions.
I have taken a personal shining to your (Rich rule). I help coach the new guys a bit. Bjj Purple (4 stripe) Judo black belt. We have a good amount of white belts and have gotten the "are you letting me work/taking it easy" question many times. Then had one aske me to not take it easy on him. He he was very cool about it and not deflated afterwards, but it definitely serves a purpuse to allow someone newer expirience the legitimacy of BJJ and the legitimacy of rank.
34y white belt here. Going to beginner class for a few months now and learning a lot. Doing basic stuff like brakefalling and rolling is super fun and nescessary (IMO). I am a pretty quick learner and started to submit more and more of my fellow beginners. So I attended the intermediate class (white-purple) and there were a lot of strong white belts and got beaten 95%. It was super fun. I learned a new thing each time I was defeated. I could feel that all the people were taking it easy on me.
I also rolled with my coach once (we were odd number) and it was great. He was baiting me with a bunch of positions so that I could use the techniques I learned and at the last sec he got out and gave me a new one. I was basically helpless, but I never felt frustrated. It was like an out of body experience where I am trying to solve some limb puzzle.
There was another time where I rolled with another white belt (we started about the same time, though he weighs 10kg more) and I beat him 3 times in 3 minutes and I could feel his frustration and he was going "my techniques are not working!" so I asked if he wants to go slower to just practice and maybe figure out why they are not working and he was being tough and went, "no we should roll 100%". So we continued and I could feel his frustration and him using more and more force, so I just let him win in the end once. If the other person has ego issues then I think there is nothing you can do. You can offer to help, but if they don't leave the ego at the door, then its their problem if its keeping them from learning.
My general rule of thumb for rolling is to learn from all of them something. Its more valuable than the imaginary points you are getting. If the other guy is less experienced than you then dial back and hone your existing technique, if they are stronger or more experienced then learn something from them, watch what they did right that ultimately lead to your defeat.
A slice of humble pie. It’s not mean. It’s educational. It’s an opportunity for personal growth. We all need it from time to time.
These are great ideas to "chew"y on!
I've managed to get several coworkers to train... 5 to be exact. The first was my current best friend who is a black belt now teaching his own students. 4 of those 5 still train.
Im a 47 year old 4 stripe white belt, about 2 and a half years in. I moved to a different gym about 6 months ago and I'm so glad i didnt get my blue belt yet. I was hanging with the blues at my last place but its a much bigger pond now and some of the blues are absolute monsters.
Experience teaches wisdom.
I respect your opinion and I think, as a coach, enforcing a safer environment works for a lot of people and make the gym grow diverse and fun but there is also some value on letting things play out. Just giving some background, I started training in Brazil in 2007, few years later moved to Canada where I continued to train and I can say that both worlds are completely different and have completely different rules. North America gyms have a higher weight on being respectful because the ego culture is completely different than Brazil. All my experiences in Brazil were playful, full of trashtalk and jokes, and instead of making us feel hurt and angry, it would make us feel motivated to stay after and train, become less sensitive to bully and try to understand where that attitude is coming from (which is where the roll starts, in the mind). The ego is about not showing weakness and asking to stop certain behaviour is considered a sign of weakness so instead they will learn how to deal with it or endure it until they do learn a way. This attitude works as an evolving dynamic where whoever is winning is serving as a reference and they don’t allow whitebelts to win unless they really fight for it and deserve it. Serves as great source of friendship where you act more as group, not letting people quit without giving them a hard time, making everyone very intimate and creating an extremely competitive environment. Now in Canada, the gym here is great, found an amazing coach with amazing and inspiring attitude, and everyone is welcome, doesn’t matter the level of engagement you are willing to give. But I am not as close to them as I immediately was from my brazilian peers, I have to be very careful on what to say in order to not be considered offensive even if I don’t mean to be offensive and the fun is on jiu jitsu, not the interactions. Ego here is self centered to how I am feeling and not how the group sees me, so people have a higher wall around them that its harder to pierce.
This is my 20cents, feel free to disagree and keep rolling!
When I was a pro kickboxer and started coaching we'd occasionally get ones like that, and like you said talk to them first, but if needed the head coach would pick one of us and say "Send him a message". Same as a mat enforcer, it was usually something basic you'd tag them with occasionally knock them down in a nice way to let them see that dude you're new get with the program. Two things happened. Either they learned and checked their behavior and came back, or they quit.
Don't confuse kindness for weakness. I had a situation similar to "Bob's". I was a white belt, but a rather tough white belt and I was rolling a blue belt. I purposely letting him put me in positions because I was trying to figure out a sweep. He submitted me several times during this rolling session. I over heard him talking to the coach about tapping me a bunch. That just simmered all weekend till the next class. As soon as it was time to roll I went straight to him and reminded him what me trying feels like. This is why now if I get the better of my coach I don't say or do anything. Because I know he can always turn it up a few notches.
You sound soft AF.
Uh you used think you got the better of your coach because your better? 🤦🏻♀️thank goodness you woke up....
You never got the better of your coach, especially as a white belt. You wouldn’t mention that if you truly understood the depth of what you’re trying to say.
Keep humbling yourself bud and keep on keeping on :)
I was this type of guy before. I came from a Boxing and wrestling background, proud as hell.. but again no one needed to show me my place. I just saw that the guys I dominated were fighting at a level I could not even think of. So I used common sense and put myself back in my place so that others don't have to do it for me.
Did you say: "I'm only half choking"?????? That was hilarious
i had my first bjj class today and I couldn't get a submission my first day, i love that. I got a good triangle choke coming off the bottom of side control and im just obsessed now everyones so humble and ready to teach
That's awesome, I can't wait to see Bob's coworker's trophy or medal or belt. Or whatever you win by submitting people in class.
Man can’t wait to get back to BJJ. Had to take a break when spring started bc I have a bad back and had a bunch of spring projects and starting the garden, which uses my back up pretty quick and I have to rest for a couple days.
My sons baseball games also are on the BJJ days so his season ends in a couple weeks then we’ll be able to start again. Just living vicariously thru chewy and Jedi for now… lol
I think these videos should be mandatory to watch for any beginners so that they enter with respect & gym etiquette
That t shirt really makes your eyes pop, brother!
Bob should just laugh and tell him "yea man. You're really good.
You should challenge coach"
Lol
It helps to know that there's still a lot for me to learn
As soon as he made that comment roll with him a second time immediately
I had a new guy who complimented my progress from his first month to his third month 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I had 2 co workers like that. I didn't talk them in to joining the dojo they kinda followed me as curiosity at first. Then they joined. A few months later, they complained about more experienced members being a bit much. Then they found out that some of the fellow white belts are Judoka dan ranking/shooto competitors/varsity wrestlers (high school & university). Both of them were upset that the other students were not what they considered "true white belts." Both quit and joined another dojo. They quit that place too and don't train at all. I'm still training. Still a white belt and happy to have mat time.
I love that shirt! Where did you get it?
Brought an older woman from work as she seemed interested in learning a martial art. She came out for classes for a few months and everything seemed to be going well. Then she got a medical check-up and, after doing an MRI scan on her body cavity, they found a hairline fracture on her rib (which wouldn't have shown up on an X-ray). She had apparently held to this idea that 'people should never get injured when training martial arts, and if people ever get injured, that we are training the martial art incorrectly.' She approached our BJJ instructor, a black belt, and told him that he was training "incorrectly" and "dangerously". The "proof" of this was the hairline fracture on one of her ribs, which she thinks she got when being mounted and grapevined. When we explained the actual situation of training any useful self-defense-based martial art, she immediately quit.
I’m a fresh white belt and can already feel the difference when rolling with a higher belt. I’m blessed to have world champion coaches whom could humble me at any time. My coaches generally play position with the lower belts and let us work, they don’t go for ultra technical subs. If any white belt walks away thinking they got the best of a high belt needs to be humbled. I always walk away from those rolls thinking I have so much to learn. I’ve told other white belts to recognize that they will only put these people into the positions they let you in. The line is a little fuzzy when I roll with the more experienced white or blue belts. I’ll generally ask them not to go easy on me while also telling them that I have zero understanding of etiquette so if I do something wrong, just stop the roll and educate me. This approach seems to work so far.
With most newer white belts I'll typically always go around 70% with them to pass and pressure the first few times but I never force submissions cause I don't want to injure them.
I found passing and good pressure is enough to get a newer guy to respect the craft.
My coach told me he once rolled with Bernardo Faria and for 3 minutes Bernardo let him work, and for the last 3, he submited him in every way possible. It's a nice approach.
The ego. Our worst enemy. It’s gonna be a hard fall when he gets put in his place
“People will get their rash guards up in a bunch” 😂
I get these reminders from upper belts way more often than I ask for them lol
This is literally the longest run in sentence of a video I've ever seen 😆
Dunning Krueger effect is pretty powerful, and I'd argue showing people where they actually are is helpful for them to get past it.
“It’s not cool to poo poo on someone’s jiu jitsu skill” quote of the year there haha
"I even submitted the instructor!" Good lord
I've never done BJJ. @Bob , invite your coworker back and go a little harder on him 😂 also get the rest of the gym on him a bit too. Hopefully he'll realize his place. I wrote this before finishing the video. Thanks Chew😅
Always love your vid btw.
This happens a lot with new people, or they come in trying their absolute hardest and you don’t see the need to try. I always tend to tap them a few times at least because I believe in the humbling factor.
I don't have a whole lotta jits experience, but it's been very clear when people have let me work. When your bodies are that close, kind of hard not to tell how relaxed they are.. people be wild
I’m a 2 stripe white belt. I sometimes feel like I’m wasting the time of higher belts. Time is precious for many of us, taking time out of busy schedules to train. I’m so grateful for the opportunity to learn from higher belts but can you address this thought of mine? I know higher belts seem to enjoy rolling with lower belts because they say they always learn something. Thanks
there's a lot of catch and release at my gym, on white belts. it's a great way to show them they can't get out of submissions without having to tap and reset.
I've been watching this channel for so long that I actually remember Chewy telling this story a few years back. He was a purple belt that took a long break... right?
This is what’s great about Bjj when someone’s like this in Muay Thai is kinda hard to humble them with out hurting them. Especially since their usually the type of person that swings for the fences in sparing.
Well in Muay Thai they also have methods that do not really hurt, sweeping and throwing
I would just let it go. I got this advice training for work but it has work immensely in BjJ
“keep your ears open and your mouth shut” . It was meant respectfully but the logic is no Matter what you think you did, if there is value enough to notice, others will notice it for you. Usually a good instructor. All my instructors and professors get really excited when they see me or one their other trainees capitalize on the mats. I’ve never once and don’t plan to ever grasp the handle of arrogance at the expense of letting go of the process.
I feel the only exception is when I see folks get excited for their victory at tournaments and they explain the events . Usually their pretty humble too . I know that’s not the point here but keeping things quiet until friendships develop has been a pretty solid approach for me.
Saw it with a girl who used to train in the same TKD class as me. You'd usually match the intensity of the person you were sparring with, but this girl would try and take chunks out of me! She was a blue belt, me a 2nd dan, so I never retaliated. I had nothing to prove, and just ignored it. She was brought back to Earth with a thump in a tournament when a red belt nearly took her damn head off when she sidestepped her and executed a perfectly timed turning kick! She was out cold and St John's Ambulance had to attend to her 🫣
I’m a 37 year old white belt, 3 stripes. I don’t have enough time to go easy on new people. I don’t go trying to hurt anyone, but those new people are going to have plenty of time to learn and work. I’m going to roll my best every time right now. My “go easy” days will be later.
“Rashguards all in a bunch” lol
Chewy!
Yeah bro I know how it feels and I definitely know when your professor is going easy on you and he definitely wants to see how you get out of bad spots especially the basic ones! Then after we roll he goes over how we did ! Positive feedback and encouragement of course! Lastly, I rolled with a purple belt ; we went over RNC scenarios and you fight your way out in 3 minutes light sparring ! Chewy , it was frustrating because he definitely let me know who’s the mail and who’s the freaking hammer ! I even got frustrated and got mad but I apologize and knew i was wrong ! So, I’m a 4th belt white belt and when I roll with new green horns I go easy and I sometimes go hard! It’s that I we don’t want to discourage them ! So it’s a 50/50 sword but I definitely know when I’m rolling and the upper belt is just letting me work etc ! It’s very humbling but it’s another reason you must leave your ego at the door and live this art !!
Had the exact opposite happen with one of the guys that works for me. 49 yr old Blue Belt (me) vs 28 yr old high level Purple Belt. We both know how every roll is gonna go.
I always am complementary to my training partners. Jiujitsu is about building people up and building community. At least it should be
That's so funny, people have a lack of awareness when it comes to _they couldn't_ versus _they didn't_ hahaha
Yeah some people lack real awareness on many levels and things
After a while you can tell how hard someone is trying in jiu jitsu. Yesterday i had a wrestle with this guy who is a former national champion, i could he wasnt really putting it on as we would have been finished in less than 10 seconds. Im new and he was letting me work what we had learned until he submitted me
I haven’t done jui jitsu yet however I experience this in kick boxing.
When sparring with a new student I take an even pace and intentionally leave openings so that they can learn something. I usually though let them know I am going easy first and give them the option to go harder if they want. That way they can train at a pace they feel comfortable and ego is no longer involved… most of the time.
Had a friend join my gym a month or so ago, and I’ve been giving him maybe 40-50% depending on how hard he goes. he’s starting to get that white belt aggressiveness in our rolls that can be potentially dangerous. Had to crank it up and show him that aggression cannot replace technique with a couple triangles and arm bars
I will "go easy" on a newcomer.
My definition of "go easy" is to submit them as fast as possible the first time. The second time I'll stop immediately before submitting them and hold them in place and show them how to defend.
That being said, I've had a few newcomers surprise the hell out of me. Most recently I rolled with a white belt that was in his 2nd week of training (for reference I'm a blue belt with a stripe). He made me work much harder than the purple and brown belts. Part of it was due to his size (he easily had 30 lbs on me) but part of it was his skill. He admitted afterwards that he had 5-6 years of no-gi experience but hadn't trained for a few years.
yeah no way the browns are trying against you and 30 lbs is barely a sizeable weight difference dude
@@biggooba6706 i “cheat”. I usually don’t roll with the brown belts my age. Rather I roll with the ones that are in their 50’s and 60’s (I’m in my 30’s), so thats why I can last against them, lol.
I get destroyed during few rolls that I’ve done with brown belts my age.
@@robcubed9557 makes sense
I love rolling with brand new guys to reminded me of me when I was brand new...running around trying to passed guard or using full strength. Big guys as well...to test myself against guys double my weight.
I once was rolling with a brand new white belt 4 days into joining our gym...going really light BUT he turn it up to FULL...so I met his energy level and was holding him in a Bow and Arrow as my coach walked by and softly said," Tai....its his fourth day." Of which ,I replied back, " but coach,he was trying to kill me!!" My coach smile softly and walked away..hahahha gotta love my Brazilian coaches. Turns out my rolling part had ACT aka Arrest Control Tactic ....lingo for those that might missed it....he was a current sheriff deputy. So he knew a little and had some mat time...we became really good rolling partner....he still hunting for that sub on me though..😂
I'm a blue belt, and yesterday I "submitted" a brown belt.
I think one of the things that nice about being an older BJJ player is that the ego doesn't get in the way of realizing how generous that 4 stripe brown belt was being with me. Beyond the guys that are brand spanking new, I'd wager it's mostly the young guns that have this problem.
Your eyebrow muscles are jacked.
Happened to me yesterday… damn this video is one day late suggested for me 😢 I should have submitted him a couple of times
Hey can you do a video for body triangle alternatives for short legs
I just started BJJ about a month or two ago. I always try to have what my buddy said to me on the way to our first class in mind. He just told me I was gonna get my ass kicked a lot, and it's true. For me, having that expectation up front that I'm gonna be trash at first has actually helped me really enjoy BJJ because I can see my progress each new day I show up. Sure, I'm still not submitting more experienced white belts and above, but I'm able to at least attempt submissions and survive longer and longer. Again, this is my experience and understand how that can be demoralizing for someone new to the sport, so take it with a grain of salt.