I think they shouldn't lose the license entirely, only the exclusivity. Let another studio try their hand at a F1 Racing game alongside EA Codemasters. Competition invokes progress. Competition is also a great thing for the consumer.
One idea I've heard is to allow EA or whoever to make a casual F1 career game, while also allowing a sim like AC or iRacing to go in and make a proper simulation for the online and f1 esports players.
@@RonaldWeasley-ng7ip Pretty sure Liberty Media and the other companies in Formula One Group have more than enough to afford to have 2 separate game companies compete at making F1 games
I really hope that they lose the license. I personally think they gonna give a chance to Milestone, they do great job with MotoGP which is already on unreal engine
EA takeovers. The worst, as always. Any franchise they obtain, they just suck it dry. Ea acquired F1 back in the 90's, and it died within 2 years. Then as soon as codemasters was making a name for itself, EA swooped in again. I'm still playing 2021, but my all time favourite was 2012. Played all 20 teams, over 5000 hours.
In my opinion, there should be a centralized F1 game instead of releasing a new one every year. The game could feature cars and teams from different seasons, starting from 2018, for example, with a career mode that allows you to experience multiple seasons and regulation changes. It would be designed for long-term play, updated every F1 season with new liveries, cars, and quality-of-life improvements. Perhaps they could even cash in on things like liveries, having collectible one-off liveries that teams used, which could act as skins do in games like Counter Strike. I think it could work, but it would be the culmination of all other games up to this point, and would require actual work from Codemasters' side, so I doubt we'll see something like that.
100% agree with you. I play f1 23 and have not bought f1 24. Until the game is free or I see a good change, I will not play the "newer" game!! I will put my money elsewhere!!!
Getting away from EA would be amazing. Maybe they should've listened to what the fans actually want and not adding crap that nobody asked for and just failed to advance the game features. There is no excuse when you have the community forums telling you what the fans want and the ability to deliver and still make profit. But they choose to do the bare minimum and this is the result.
I often feel like what if they make a really good €60 / $60 game every 5 years and make a yearly DLC with updates of the championships (cars & drivers & stats) + add more drivers (new and old) + classic cars DLC packages so they can still earn money some way. (Kinda like Assetto Corsa/Automobilisa DLC's) I feel it would make the base game much better, more active imo
It depends on if there is someone ready to take over straight away, and if there is, whether they have the resources required. Last time an F1 game producer lost the licence, we went 3 years without an F1 game while it sorted itself out. With F1 at an all time high in popularity, I don't imagine Liberty will want to risk a couple of years without any game at all while looking for a new licensee. Not to mention licenced games are expensive to produce and Liberty are clear about wanting an annual release. A smaller producer will simply not be able to commit to that so easily.
I quit halfway through '21. Didn't want to pay full price for the same game every year. When it comes to sports games you are basically paying for a fresh coat of paint in the menus and updated liveries and roster lineups, oh and a new game mode that nobody asked for lol. Every year they "fix" the handling model and the physics but its hit or miss if they get it right, or at least descent. The yearly release model simply doesn't work.
I've been playing F1 since 2010 and i can agree 2018 was the glory year and imo the best balance of having a solid driver feel with all aids off and also being approachable for new fans coming into the sport .......the game of itself at the time made you want to learn more professional techniques and get better. Its also a shame because the streamers that play the game the most and again imo are the best promoters of said game its sad that they get overlooked which doesn't make sense to me because when i got into competitive sim racing it was because of this channel. Because i wanted to experience that same level of immersion and competition, watching the highs and the lows of JD's journey. All the information as a resource to a successful game are literally in the community why not use it.
just stop with this narrative. codemasters are sill developers of the game. EA is just the publisher. Please learn that. the shareholders are not the ones coding this game, they are not the ones not being able fixing same bugs multiple games
@@hmp01 The publisher pressures the developer into certain practises like re-use of assets, copy-paste releases. Basically everything wrong with the F1 games can be traced back to the pressure of the publisher.
Hi JD. Great content. i'm a Sim Racing streamer myself. If we compare the decline of F1 games versus others comparable racing games, we can see that the quality of product is direct correlation with the sales. IMO Assetto Corsa Competitzione is the most direct competitions for F1 games since it's been released years ago, has crossplay and is available on PC + Consoles. (versus Iracing's Pc only) The sales of ACC has only risen up since it's release and is in constant evolution as per F1 Games are just in constant decline.
I said to people that EA obtaining Codies would result in the subsequent games turning out like shit gradually, and they'll put out some sort of live service bullshit to further milk the brand and license. Sadly I was bang on the money. It's genuinely heartbreaking because since 2010 I have loved the F1 games but from F1 2021, I could see the cracks forming and getting bigger (bit like the Ego engine itself).
They rehashed the same old tired game, repeatedly No improvement on character models, menu systems, cut scenes Anything 'new' they tried to add just failed to hit the mark No one cares about paid liveries and emotes, they're just exploiting gamers Career mode just isn't immersive and 'my team'' is severely lacking in the management side, at the very least you should be able to choose your team makes tyre strategy and pit lap.
As a casual player, I only have time to play this game a few hours every few weeks. I'm not going to pay for a new game, which is basically the old game, when after 1 year I've only had the chance to play it for 40 hours. I would only buy a new F1 game every 3 years or so.
It would be cool if they could just lend out the license so you can get official F1 cars in Gran Turismo and such. Then let a dedicated company make a dedicated F1 sim with the race weekend, career mode, and so on.
Yeh something is way off here, because I don't even think it's about the quality of each individual game anymore. Both the '23 and '24 games (despite the bugs) are much better than '22 imo. But I think they've pissed off so many players (especially with the '22 game) that they've just moved on from the franchise altogether and won't play these games any more full stop, regardless of whether they improve them. They're playing other games instead. '22 was their big chance to get and retain a new player base with EA coming on board, but they totally blew it. That's a hard fail in my book, and time for someone else to get the license.
This is an issue every sports category with seasonal changes has. You can look at FIFA and kinda compare between this and F1. Just looking at the audience you're already at a much higher average age for an F1 fan - you can play and understand the rules of football at any age but you're limited when it comes to driving or even understanding a car. But those 2 games also have the same issues - being seasonal. And that comes with little changes every year so its hard to notice except there's a big change in the sport itself or some big graphic related thing. We could also talk about the prices of wheels or setups in general just to even play the game. Take this in consideration + the price tag for the game every year, all the bugs we see on a seemingly copy/paste game and you get a winner for the "dying game" award.
@@bideomanlol Good idea! But perhaps a decreases price for the games you already own. Like in Raceroom where if you buy a carpack, and you already own some of the cars, their prices are deducted.
Recently I took a break from the F1 games, played alot of GT7 and a little bit ACC on console. both of them pretty good games, Gt7 with a very very good handling model which is challenging and ACC with the variety of setup options (nerdy but i like it) So although these two games are very good, I returned to F1 23 few days back, and there's so many things that this game does right, like the Ai battles, and feeling through the tires, maybe not as good as GT7 but still good, the major problem is, Everything is a copy and paste for last 3 years and theres nothing new to explore or get challenged by, I personally would love A good handling model, classic cars and updated tracks and a good career mode ofc. thats all
This is how ea has been operating for years with other franchise. As soon as I heard EA was taking over I knew the game would be like this, same game over and over. They are literally taking shit out of the game.
I was upset on how many bugs and error were on 2021 so I had enough. I bought Asseto Corsa and installed 2022 rss formula and now 2023 alpha formula mods and I have much more engaging feeling of the game than the codemasters ones...
I'm a guy that likes realism. When I drove league racing in 2019, 20 and 21 I actually felt like I drove an f1 car. It's sounds cringe, but it felt fast and it was a joy. All the bugs in the game I could survive, -200 degrees for example. If the game makes me enjoy spending my time on it, I'm okay with it. Since 2022 with the f1 life things and general handling issues I completely lost it. I drove 5 leagues a week in 19 and 20 and in 22 I drove 1. I didn't enjoy it. It's not Sims 4. We don't care about a couch or carpet. I bought f123, but played it like 100 hours. iRacing is just so much better. Every track is laserscanned, every car is perfectly detailed and it feels right. Yes f1 might be for a wider audience, but if the core leaves, then what is left? I didn't buy 24. No way I'm spending 80 pounds for that. That's 8 months on iRacing. They don't evolve the game and it get's worse every year. I'm sad about it because some of the best times in my life has been racing on the f1 games against people who love the sport. The downfall is just crazy and it comes from EA and Codemasters being arrogant and ignorant to their fanbase- just watch the FIFA or Madden communities. Alex Gillon made a video about EA and Codies not listening to the creators and Esport drivers. Aarav as well. Just not good enough. Personally I won't drive the games again before a new engine or some really encouraging video material and I think the only way to get EA and Codies to do better is buy showing them that we don't accept their ignorance.
I mean they released a game and literally said it wont be ready till an update. Who the hell does that. They got no one to blame but themselves. They dont listen to the players at all they barely listen to the esports guys who play it for a living. I never seen a company that doesnt care what customers think. They also said they are not changing the handling model and classic cars will not return. So crap handling and couches is the goal. 75% loss of sales since last year is just nuts but makes sense
why we keep yearly releases? Just do one game for an entire regulation set, should give them more than enough time to make better release, as well as allowing the current game to be improved and refined just like teams refine their cars as regulations mature. This could allow an option at the end of the regulations a mode where career mode follows the evolution of teams throughout the whole set of regulations.
Makes me wonder if this is why EA/ Codemasters are going a different route with the WRC game by having a yearly DLC update instead of a whole new game each year, to see if that model works. Maybe we could see the F1 games go this way in the future. Release a base game and each year have a paid DLC for that season with new Drivers and Liveries.
The issue with rotating the license is the hiccups in the first year with a new developer, also at this rate even if they were to open the license up to other devs it would be 2-3 years before we'd see the new game... I think all of the leagues are doing fans a disservice having sports games like Madden, F1, 2K, EAFC to have exclusive licenses. We need parity and competition brings innovation
And just to add, I think the way the game is being "promoted", as needing a setup or at least a wheel, scares off many casual players who just want to play. In my experience, my friends often say, 'Without a steering wheel, it's not the same,' and because of that, they don't even give the game a chance.
I think the price has a lot to do with it as well as when the game is released. I might be wrong but the game is released towards the end of the F1 season when a couple of months later, drivers are at different teams, liveries, sponsors, designs etc. Also the game is getting more and more expensive and there is a lack of new features worth paying £55+ for.
The f1 24 is the best game in comparison with the previous ones in terms of car control, now you can actually drive that thing, rotate the car, catch a drift and so on. Yes we miss the classic cars (imagine a classic cars race with this kind of control…) and the practice programs may be improved but overall this time they hit it with this game
It's interesting looking back at the F1 2010 developer videos. You got a real sense of passion for replicating the 'authenticity' of the sport. I still miss the "be the driver" aspect of that game and they never evolved on it. The games visually look the best they've ever looked, and I do appreciate they've continued to support the F2 updates. But some of the much more interesting modes have been cut or lost over time. And the things that have replaced them (like point break) feel like superficial additions to appeal to a market that have no interest in the games at all. And I feel like they put a ton of effort into that mode! Wasted effort. They never seem to actually stick with a mode and evolve it - and that's the crux of my problem with them. Hell, they've not even ensured each years game has had the latest track updates in the official calendar. F1 24 is the first Codemaster F1 game I haven't bought. Not even with the 40% sales they've been pushing that just price the game the same as they used to cost on release.
*My friend, you have it all wrong. FOM get paid their license fee regardless of sales. EA, however, might drop the franchise if it isn't profitable for them. But FOM are the first to get paid. They don't care one way or the other about the game so long as it isn't embarrassing them. It could go either way.*
Yes, please no more Codemasters for the F1 game!!! I have giving up on buying minimally changed versions of the same game for years now. And I will not buy a new one until they use a new engine and make some substantial changes. I am more into simracing now anyways, much better than a Codemasters game.
This isn’t just happening to F1 games, it’s happening across gaming full stop (see Ubisoft and WB games). The economic climate and inflation have played a part but it’s things like: The actual below par game content Putting out umpteen editions of the same game (standard, gold and deluxe) The ridiculous pricing (£79,99 to £129,99 for buggy slop) and community managers who sneer at their own customers when they say the game is rubbish. and the customer is starting to wise up to what these AAA studios have been doing these days and are voting with their wallets.
.... F2 2024 update just came out... YOU CAN'T DOWNLOAD RIVAL SETUPS IN TT.. THE F2 CAMERA SETTINGS ARE SCREWED.. AND THE OMBOARD AUDIO OF AT LEAST THE FERRARI (OR WHATEVER CAR YOU DRIVD MOST) IS SET TO CYNAMETIC.. EVEN WHEN YOU ALWAYS HAVE IT BROADCAST... Yes i am typing all caps because fuck all.. EA is making me want to scream at this point.. it's CRAZY... I am not even the only one with these issues.. it's since the F2 2024 update..
I think that they should Release a new Game everytime there is a big change of Regulations and just Update the Game every couple months. We don’t have to buy a new Game every year, the technical Team can Focus on the new regs and Cars, the Game has a bigger playerbase and they can just Focus on bringing new Content and Features based on out Feedback.
Having multiple developers taking turns on making a game is definitely not recommended or a good recommendation. I've not heard of a single franchise that pleased their fanbase that way. The only one that's been successful is Call of Duty and they piss off their fans on a much grander scale - but they also cater to a much less niche market. There would either need to be simultaneous game development or - more ideally - a dedicated single developer with maybe smaller side titles that maybe don't have licenses for the teams and drivers but definitely at least can use the generic F1 model vehicle (something like the NFL Blitz games or something of that nature) or maybe even dedicated developers for like F2 or maybe there will be some actual motivation when say a Indycar game comes out.
My experience with the F1 games. Bought 2010, 2011 saw these are the same with some changes so bought every so often. Then EA bought Codemasters and I said nah. Bought 22 and that was it
Online gaming is what most people want these days. Racing game drivers enjoy online the most and it's what keeps the game alive for an entire year. The devs haven't done anything for the online community since forever. (Well, they added "Leagues", but we can't use it since we can't add penalties etc.) Just let us drive all the tracks backwards and give us loads of classic tracks, old F1 tracks and possible future F1-tracks.
F1 deserve to be a simulation game like assetto corsa competizione, And instead of having new game every year, they cold make 1 base game and every year DLC for new season
For me, as someone with limited dexterity and mobility the f1 games require more consistent precision than I can mentally and physically handle 😅 I hit a wall almost every lap or I’m lance stroll levels of slow.
It would actually be cool if beamng took the licence, because even if sponsers dont allow for an insane damage model, the handling and internal damage alone would make it a beautiful experience, it would also be a chance for them to update the aero model and tyre physics
If they end up losing, I hope that the devloper that gets it isn't directly linked to Sony or Microsoft. That could open a way for them to turn the game into a exclusive for their console like in the 2000s when Sony had them.
As a controller user, I find these latest games really terrible it's too slow and can't utilize the downforce in the high-speed corners as you can't flick the steering as you have wanted. Whenever I miss playing F1 my go-to games are 2018 and 2020(there's some delay though but not as terrible as the F1 22 and 24)
I think the problem is that F1 24 has been launched too early in fact as a beta, now the game is much better, probably better than F1 23, but it's too late because steam has been already flooded with bad reviews of the "pre-release"
i just wish F1 2010 was still available on Steam to buy. my all time favourite F1 game, and a steam key for F1 2010 are almost £1000.. R.I.P. would love to see F1 2010 come back on steam
I will admit I really like F1 2024 however there is some context behind it. The last F1 I properly played through was probably 2020 / 2021 so it has been a few years. Has much changed since those days? Stands out to me that it's largely the same game. It still looks good and plays well and because I had that 3 years break from the series, I felt I got my moneys worth from it. However if I was an existing fan, someone that had bought every title from 2020 through to 2023 and then bought this? I'd feel ripped off. Not enough has changed. They need to sort this out quickly or else people will turn off in droves (it's already semi-happening). They're right on the edge of that cliff and with 2025 I feel it's do or die for EA, Codemasters and this series.
That would be nice if Rockstar could build the F1 game. What they did with the GTA game was incredible. But yeah, E&A needs to either have open competition or replace for another company. I enjoy the F1 24 game after the handling update as the racing itself is fun, but the bugs that remains after so many years and the lack of improvement in certain areas really hurts their reputation. Also at day 1 of 2024 game was just a clown show because the handling was horrible. I am not sure if their revenue was reduced as you can generate the same ammount of revenue by increasing the game cost and they have been doing this over the last decade. So, number of sales.. yes, decreased but revenue.....
I think there is lack of understanding what goes into these games. I've hardly touched the CM F1 games, maybe spent 30 minutes with one of them years ago, I think it was the demo on the PS3. As far as I was concerned they didn't come close to GP3 and 4 when it came to simulating F1 races. From what I can tell they still aren't at that level. Personally I don't care if they loose the licence or not. However, what you need to realise is stuff they had Ideas for after let's say 2020 don't feed into the annual release for years. You can't just rebuild a game every year. The nature of annual releases when it comes to any sports game is iteration for a few years then a big push with new features, rebuilt physics, graphics engines and the such. It's why most games that have sequels take years to launch, more so these days when the demand from gamers is that it needs to be perfect, new, the best every year or it's not worth anything. There will come a point that the new features come online and feed into one of the annual releases. Sometimes you get that game in an annual release that seems lightyears further ahead than the previous year. That's because all the tech, development and ideas from years ago have come together. Maybe some of what they wanted has been delayed not in viable state for a certain years game then pushed back into one of those standout moments in a series. The road maps for what features can be added are probably 8 years long at this point. Things they have ideas for now won't be ready until the next generation of hardware. They'll actively be targeting things like that and seeing what can we do, can we add something new, will we go cross gen for a couple of games while we invest in a rebuilt graphics engine that itself won't be fully featured for a couple years after it's introduced. Annual releases are a curse as well as blessing especially if successful. It's a blessing if successful because you can get funds in each year to help cover the development costs of whatever your next big push is. It's a curse because at some point all you can really do is update the last game that had that big push forward until your ideas are actually developed. At some point it should all come together, maybe EA will pressure them in another direction, anything is possible. Based on past F1 games you get a couple of big improvements over a game or two then it settles down and you get a few lulls. Then you get a couple of great ones again. On the flip side, If they do loose the licence and are aware it's going then don't expect anything major because they'll be pushing that tech and development into a different game.
i think the handling of f1 24 actually feels great now, but i like alot of oversteer, so im probally in the minority there, i do thing the racing is not good against the ai, since i always see massive ers/drs trains forming.
I've never really understood why any racing sim would be an annual release... stop making us pay 60, 70, 80+ dollars for a game every year. It would be great if they treated it closer to iracing. With tech the way it is today make the game with like a console life cycle and update it. Every year release a bigger update to address graphics upgrades, ai improvements, real world changes and charge 20 bucks. Some of us are just done spending so much for an annual game that gets very little attention after release and doesnt allow growth within the game. Play for awhile buy a new one and start over... gets old. Just let me play my team for 4 or 5 years and be more realistic that way without the fomo effect that new shiny game has.
Don't think it can be underestimated the effect that boring F1 racing irl and the subsequent fade in fans and viewers is having on the entirety of the sport, not just the game itself. It's boring when one team/one guy wins everything all the time, at least with other sports like FIFA there is multiple leagues in every country, not just the premier league
Bought all of them From 09-2022 . 22 was the last one ,I won’t buy again .Handling models and online glitches on launch just got too much . All they had to do was give us the option of historic tracks and I would have been happy . With a decent handling model of course
These games have had the same bugs for years. I’ve had it where I get graphical glitches on Ps5, I’ve got a penalty for overtaking under a yellow flag when I’ve been in 1st amongst others. When I used to play on PC it was the same. Also, there’s no need to upgrade when there are no new tracks. Why not put in there old tracks that aren’t on the calendar? India, Sepang, South Korea, Turkey etc.
I feel like the owners of f1 ip wouldn't even care about the game doing well or not. As long as it doesn't cause a controversy that will affect the image of the brand, they wont do anything about it
I don't know if this is good or bad for EA/Consumers. But why not just provide a platform game like Sims 4 where you just have the base game (perhaps you buy F1 2024) then subsequent years with the same engine have updates with tracks/ drivers for a smaller fee than a huge reengineered game each calendar year.
I bought every PlayStation F1 game from F1 CE to F1 2020. Played 2021 and 2023 but didn’t buy. Now I don’t think I’ll bother trying the next games. Maybe if they stop cosplaying like a NetFlix/mobile game chimera I’ll reconsider.
Imo there should be 2 f1 games: one sim-cade like the current one, and one more simulator, maybe structured like le mans ultimate, I mean, you don't have to buy the game every year but there will be some premium content every season
I’ve been buying F1 since F1 2010 and I won’t be buying anymore of their games until they bring VR for the PlayStation. Why would I won’t to race F1 on a tv when I can play GT7 with the PSVR2 for such a great immersive experience.
At the end of the day, the license holder sell it to the one paying the most money. Unless they really damage the F1 brand itself, they will just go what gets them the most. And i think it will keep EA, since its a brand with a reputation, money and experience with annual sport games. There arent many brands like that out there that might be able to do that annually. That being said, i dislike EA with their bare minimum approach and focus on loot boxes and/or disappointing DLCs. I miss the Geoff Crammond GP series.
I gave them one last chance with F1 22 and that was the final straw. I went back to F1 2019 which for me is the best of the bunch but to be honest AMS2 is all I really need these days!
The reason 24 is doing so bad is the HANDLING. This isnt some algebraic equation. I say this as someone who played almost every single day since 2019 game. And i bought 24 on release day. Like i have since 2020. And i tried to get used to it. I waited until the patch hoping they would fix things. I played for a month after the patch. The handling is awful. Simple as that. Makes the game not fun to play. So now im playing 23
People like me buy this game year in year out to improve!! The issue is it is hard to get into leauge racing...and there is no way you can improve against 110 AI as every race is the same race no matter the circuit and you win with no lessons learnt....They need to release the game with an option of a complete simulation for sim racing fans or an arcade game for the player who just want a bit of fun complete revamp the game and repay us for our loyalty
I think they shouldn't lose the license entirely, only the exclusivity. Let another studio try their hand at a F1 Racing game alongside EA Codemasters. Competition invokes progress. Competition is also a great thing for the consumer.
Agree great idea
One idea I've heard is to allow EA or whoever to make a casual F1 career game, while also allowing a sim like AC or iRacing to go in and make a proper simulation for the online and f1 esports players.
The thing is studios will pay a lot of money for exclusive rights and F1 is not going to turn that down.
Not enough money to go around
@@RonaldWeasley-ng7ip Pretty sure Liberty Media and the other companies in Formula One Group have more than enough to afford to have 2 separate game companies compete at making F1 games
Once EA took something over, you can forget that game
Facts 💯
You saw the writing on the wall yea
Bingo
@@MrJojoringoEA always broke the game when they took something over.
@@tomicmihael4105 Why? the game wasn’t any good before EA took over.
As soon as EA got involved, codemasters were cooked, everything EA touches goes to shit
F1 22 was fully developed by codies by the time EA arrived .. and that sucked too , it's bigger than just EA
since EA took over we finally got the outdated tracks updated …
Codemasters on their own was way worse than EA.
@@paperplane-db8qf casual
It literally is copy and paste every year. Lack of enthusiasm from developers to progress this series
Same for any yearly sports game. NBA madden etc etc
All annual games suffer from this.
most likely not the actual developers choice, why would they want the game to be bad? its likely the managements choices
I really hope that they lose the license. I personally think they gonna give a chance to Milestone, they do great job with MotoGP which is already on unreal engine
They LOST IT since the day EA bought the F1 games rights.
@@pft_mike5886 please not milestone.. they cannot code the ai to not ram you to save their life..
Milestone is definitely the only correct option
No. They didnt. @@IGG2002
@@IGG2002I mean, no. They just made an F1 game lol.
I miss Studio Liverpool
F1CE on the PS3 was brilliant
EA takeovers. The worst, as always. Any franchise they obtain, they just suck it dry. Ea acquired F1 back in the 90's, and it died within 2 years. Then as soon as codemasters was making a name for itself, EA swooped in again. I'm still playing 2021, but my all time favourite was 2012. Played all 20 teams, over 5000 hours.
In my opinion, there should be a centralized F1 game instead of releasing a new one every year. The game could feature cars and teams from different seasons, starting from 2018, for example, with a career mode that allows you to experience multiple seasons and regulation changes. It would be designed for long-term play, updated every F1 season with new liveries, cars, and quality-of-life improvements. Perhaps they could even cash in on things like liveries, having collectible one-off liveries that teams used, which could act as skins do in games like Counter Strike. I think it could work, but it would be the culmination of all other games up to this point, and would require actual work from Codemasters' side, so I doubt we'll see something like that.
Actually sound awesome. But yeah, codemasters would never put in the work for something like this
There was one such game... F1 Challenge 99-02 from EA... but yeah.. we might never see such a game ever again!
I don't want buy the same game every year. EA thinks we are stupid like all the FIFA players.
@@marcelocamacho6641 Even the FIFA players themselves are not as stupid as everyone should describe EA.
At least FIFA players play a game with lots of content, proper AI and some personality.
100% agree with you. I play f1 23 and have not bought f1 24. Until the game is free or I see a good change, I will not play the "newer" game!! I will put my money elsewhere!!!
Passion for money ruins the world.
passion for money?!...just say GREED ruins the world
@@tachyon108exactly
More like money over passion
*Capitalism ruins the world
Getting away from EA would be amazing. Maybe they should've listened to what the fans actually want and not adding crap that nobody asked for and just failed to advance the game features.
There is no excuse when you have the community forums telling you what the fans want and the ability to deliver and still make profit. But they choose to do the bare minimum and this is the result.
I often feel like what if they make a really good €60 / $60 game every 5 years and make a yearly DLC with updates of the championships (cars & drivers & stats) + add more drivers (new and old) + classic cars DLC packages so they can still earn money some way. (Kinda like Assetto Corsa/Automobilisa DLC's)
I feel it would make the base game much better, more active imo
State of the game is like in a april mode for the last 3 years now. Feels dead in many ways. There needs to be a change
I stopped buying the game when they remove the real teams from online ranked and replaced generic cars with skins that were micro transactions.
The fact that an F1 RSS MOD for AC is a much better car, speaks for itself.
If you haven't already, try the VRC mod as well. It's even better imo.
It depends on if there is someone ready to take over straight away, and if there is, whether they have the resources required. Last time an F1 game producer lost the licence, we went 3 years without an F1 game while it sorted itself out. With F1 at an all time high in popularity, I don't imagine Liberty will want to risk a couple of years without any game at all while looking for a new licensee. Not to mention licenced games are expensive to produce and Liberty are clear about wanting an annual release. A smaller producer will simply not be able to commit to that so easily.
I quit halfway through '21. Didn't want to pay full price for the same game every year. When it comes to sports games you are basically paying for a fresh coat of paint in the menus and updated liveries and roster lineups, oh and a new game mode that nobody asked for lol. Every year they "fix" the handling model and the physics but its hit or miss if they get it right, or at least descent. The yearly release model simply doesn't work.
I've been playing F1 since 2010 and i can agree 2018 was the glory year and imo the best balance of having a solid driver feel with all aids off and also being approachable for new fans coming into the sport .......the game of itself at the time made you want to learn more professional techniques and get better. Its also a shame because the streamers that play the game the most and again imo are the best promoters of said game its sad that they get overlooked which doesn't make sense to me because when i got into competitive sim racing it was because of this channel. Because i wanted to experience that same level of immersion and competition, watching the highs and the lows of JD's journey. All the information as a resource to a successful game are literally in the community why not use it.
Codemasters LOST IT since the day EA BOUGHT THEM.
just stop with this narrative. codemasters are sill developers of the game. EA is just the publisher. Please learn that.
the shareholders are not the ones coding this game, they are not the ones not being able fixing same bugs multiple games
@@hmp01 The publisher pressures the developer into certain practises like re-use of assets, copy-paste releases. Basically everything wrong with the F1 games can be traced back to the pressure of the publisher.
For me 2020 and 2021 were the best versions of the game.
Hi JD. Great content. i'm a Sim Racing streamer myself.
If we compare the decline of F1 games versus others comparable racing games, we can see that the quality of product is direct correlation with the sales.
IMO Assetto Corsa Competitzione is the most direct competitions for F1 games since it's been released years ago, has crossplay and is available on PC + Consoles. (versus Iracing's Pc only)
The sales of ACC has only risen up since it's release and is in constant evolution as per F1 Games are just in constant decline.
I said to people that EA obtaining Codies would result in the subsequent games turning out like shit gradually, and they'll put out some sort of live service bullshit to further milk the brand and license. Sadly I was bang on the money. It's genuinely heartbreaking because since 2010 I have loved the F1 games but from F1 2021, I could see the cracks forming and getting bigger (bit like the Ego engine itself).
They rehashed the same old tired game, repeatedly
No improvement on character models, menu systems, cut scenes
Anything 'new' they tried to add just failed to hit the mark
No one cares about paid liveries and emotes, they're just exploiting gamers
Career mode just isn't immersive and 'my team'' is severely lacking in the management side, at the very least you should be able to choose your team makes tyre strategy and pit lap.
let's pray they will loose it. They did a big bs from it.
As a casual player, I only have time to play this game a few hours every few weeks. I'm not going to pay for a new game, which is basically the old game, when after 1 year I've only had the chance to play it for 40 hours.
I would only buy a new F1 game every 3 years or so.
It would be cool if they could just lend out the license so you can get official F1 cars in Gran Turismo and such. Then let a dedicated company make a dedicated F1 sim with the race weekend, career mode, and so on.
This would be the best solution
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That's high praise.
Its now EA there is no way they give up the F1 license they will just allow it to rot if it doesnt perform
F1 2020 was amazing. I kept playing until the lobbies were completely empty. Now I'm staying on F1 23 until those die out or if F1 25 blows us away
Yeh something is way off here, because I don't even think it's about the quality of each individual game anymore. Both the '23 and '24 games (despite the bugs) are much better than '22 imo. But I think they've pissed off so many players (especially with the '22 game) that they've just moved on from the franchise altogether and won't play these games any more full stop, regardless of whether they improve them. They're playing other games instead. '22 was their big chance to get and retain a new player base with EA coming on board, but they totally blew it. That's a hard fail in my book, and time for someone else to get the license.
This is an issue every sports category with seasonal changes has. You can look at FIFA and kinda compare between this and F1. Just looking at the audience you're already at a much higher average age for an F1 fan - you can play and understand the rules of football at any age but you're limited when it comes to driving or even understanding a car.
But those 2 games also have the same issues - being seasonal. And that comes with little changes every year so its hard to notice except there's a big change in the sport itself or some big graphic related thing.
We could also talk about the prices of wheels or setups in general just to even play the game. Take this in consideration + the price tag for the game every year, all the bugs we see on a seemingly copy/paste game and you get a winner for the "dying game" award.
Our league is still on F1 23.
First version since 2015 that I haven't bought yet.
Let me buy the old games again. Even a collection. F1 decade edition with 2010 up to 2020.
@@bideomanlol Good idea! But perhaps a decreases price for the games you already own. Like in Raceroom where if you buy a carpack, and you already own some of the cars, their prices are deducted.
Recently I took a break from the F1 games, played alot of GT7 and a little bit ACC on console. both of them pretty good games, Gt7 with a very very good handling model which is challenging and ACC with the variety of setup options (nerdy but i like it) So although these two games are very good, I returned to F1 23 few days back, and there's so many things that this game does right, like the Ai battles, and feeling through the tires, maybe not as good as GT7 but still good, the major problem is, Everything is a copy and paste for last 3 years and theres nothing new to explore or get challenged by, I personally would love A good handling model, classic cars and updated tracks and a good career mode ofc. thats all
I could say so much about this but nobody would listen anyhow, just like nobody listened when I literally said how people were cheering 3 years ago
This is how ea has been operating for years with other franchise. As soon as I heard EA was taking over I knew the game would be like this, same game over and over. They are literally taking shit out of the game.
I was upset on how many bugs and error were on 2021 so I had enough. I bought Asseto Corsa and installed 2022 rss formula and now 2023 alpha formula mods and I have much more engaging feeling of the game than the codemasters ones...
I'm a guy that likes realism. When I drove league racing in 2019, 20 and 21 I actually felt like I drove an f1 car. It's sounds cringe, but it felt fast and it was a joy. All the bugs in the game I could survive, -200 degrees for example. If the game makes me enjoy spending my time on it, I'm okay with it. Since 2022 with the f1 life things and general handling issues I completely lost it. I drove 5 leagues a week in 19 and 20 and in 22 I drove 1. I didn't enjoy it. It's not Sims 4. We don't care about a couch or carpet. I bought f123, but played it like 100 hours. iRacing is just so much better. Every track is laserscanned, every car is perfectly detailed and it feels right. Yes f1 might be for a wider audience, but if the core leaves, then what is left? I didn't buy 24. No way I'm spending 80 pounds for that. That's 8 months on iRacing. They don't evolve the game and it get's worse every year. I'm sad about it because some of the best times in my life has been racing on the f1 games against people who love the sport. The downfall is just crazy and it comes from EA and Codemasters being arrogant and ignorant to their fanbase- just watch the FIFA or Madden communities. Alex Gillon made a video about EA and Codies not listening to the creators and Esport drivers. Aarav as well. Just not good enough. Personally I won't drive the games again before a new engine or some really encouraging video material and I think the only way to get EA and Codies to do better is buy showing them that we don't accept their ignorance.
For the first time since F1 2011, I haven‘t bought the new F1 game… I would really love to see a new fresh from the scretch F1 game!
I mean they released a game and literally said it wont be ready till an update. Who the hell does that. They got no one to blame but themselves. They dont listen to the players at all they barely listen to the esports guys who play it for a living. I never seen a company that doesnt care what customers think. They also said they are not changing the handling model and classic cars will not return. So crap handling and couches is the goal. 75% loss of sales since last year is just nuts but makes sense
why we keep yearly releases? Just do one game for an entire regulation set, should give them more than enough time to make better release, as well as allowing the current game to be improved and refined just like teams refine their cars as regulations mature.
This could allow an option at the end of the regulations a mode where career mode follows the evolution of teams throughout the whole set of regulations.
2015 is not very relevant because the numbers are boosted by the free sells game on steam - i remember because i grab it in 2018 for free!
I haven't bought one since 2021. That was the year they announced EA was buying Codemasters, and I refuse to buy anything from EA on principle.
Makes me wonder if this is why EA/ Codemasters are going a different route with the WRC game by having a yearly DLC update instead of a whole new game each year, to see if that model works. Maybe we could see the F1 games go this way in the future. Release a base game and each year have a paid DLC for that season with new Drivers and Liveries.
F1 2013, 2018, 2020 and 23 are my favourite F1 games (by codemasters) F1 24 is the first codies F1 I haven't bought
The issue with rotating the license is the hiccups in the first year with a new developer, also at this rate even if they were to open the license up to other devs it would be 2-3 years before we'd see the new game... I think all of the leagues are doing fans a disservice having sports games like Madden, F1, 2K, EAFC to have exclusive licenses. We need parity and competition brings innovation
And just to add, I think the way the game is being "promoted", as needing a setup or at least a wheel, scares off many casual players who just want to play. In my experience, my friends often say, 'Without a steering wheel, it's not the same,' and because of that, they don't even give the game a chance.
I think the price has a lot to do with it as well as when the game is released. I might be wrong but the game is released towards the end of the F1 season when a couple of months later, drivers are at different teams, liveries, sponsors, designs etc. Also the game is getting more and more expensive and there is a lack of new features worth paying £55+ for.
The f1 24 is the best game in comparison with the previous ones in terms of car control, now you can actually drive that thing, rotate the car, catch a drift and so on.
Yes we miss the classic cars (imagine a classic cars race with this kind of control…) and the practice programs may be improved but overall this time they hit it with this game
I bought F1 22 because i was excited about the new car. I instantly saw EA's influence, and it turned me off. Never bought an F1 game after that.
Reiza studios should get the license and money then we will get a banger game
I wouldn't mind if the iRacing guys took a crack at the F1 license. The W12 and W13 are both an insane amount of fun in sim
Pretty sure they're mods.
@@arkangelgaming35 that's ac, iracing has them officially
@@arkangelgaming35 wrong
It's interesting looking back at the F1 2010 developer videos. You got a real sense of passion for replicating the 'authenticity' of the sport. I still miss the "be the driver" aspect of that game and they never evolved on it. The games visually look the best they've ever looked, and I do appreciate they've continued to support the F2 updates. But some of the much more interesting modes have been cut or lost over time. And the things that have replaced them (like point break) feel like superficial additions to appeal to a market that have no interest in the games at all. And I feel like they put a ton of effort into that mode! Wasted effort. They never seem to actually stick with a mode and evolve it - and that's the crux of my problem with them. Hell, they've not even ensured each years game has had the latest track updates in the official calendar. F1 24 is the first Codemaster F1 game I haven't bought. Not even with the 40% sales they've been pushing that just price the game the same as they used to cost on release.
*My friend, you have it all wrong. FOM get paid their license fee regardless of sales. EA, however, might drop the franchise if it isn't profitable for them. But FOM are the first to get paid. They don't care one way or the other about the game so long as it isn't embarrassing them. It could go either way.*
When ea took over there were so many jokes on reddit about how this was bad news.
Years later and everyone was right.
Yes, please no more Codemasters for the F1 game!!! I have giving up on buying minimally changed versions of the same game for years now. And I will not buy a new one until they use a new engine and make some substantial changes. I am more into simracing now anyways, much better than a Codemasters game.
@@nossy232323 The only note is that Codemasters STOPPED making F1 games since the day the deal with EA was announced.
Hand it back to either Sumo Digital or Liverpool Studio
This isn’t just happening to F1 games, it’s happening across gaming full stop (see Ubisoft and WB games).
The economic climate and inflation have played a part but it’s things like:
The actual below par game content
Putting out umpteen editions of the same game (standard, gold and deluxe)
The ridiculous pricing (£79,99 to £129,99 for buggy slop)
and community managers who sneer at their own customers when they say the game is rubbish.
and the customer is starting to wise up to what these AAA studios have been doing these days and are voting with their wallets.
.... F2 2024 update just came out... YOU CAN'T DOWNLOAD RIVAL SETUPS IN TT.. THE F2 CAMERA SETTINGS ARE SCREWED.. AND THE OMBOARD AUDIO OF AT LEAST THE FERRARI (OR WHATEVER CAR YOU DRIVD MOST) IS SET TO CYNAMETIC.. EVEN WHEN YOU ALWAYS HAVE IT BROADCAST...
Yes i am typing all caps because fuck all.. EA is making me want to scream at this point.. it's CRAZY...
I am not even the only one with these issues.. it's since the F2 2024 update..
I think that they should Release a new Game everytime there is a big change of Regulations and just Update the Game every couple months. We don’t have to buy a new Game every year, the technical Team can Focus on the new regs and Cars, the Game has a bigger playerbase and they can just Focus on bringing new Content and Features based on out Feedback.
Pretty sad how f1 2015 hurt the later games so much.
Having multiple developers taking turns on making a game is definitely not recommended or a good recommendation. I've not heard of a single franchise that pleased their fanbase that way. The only one that's been successful is Call of Duty and they piss off their fans on a much grander scale - but they also cater to a much less niche market. There would either need to be simultaneous game development or - more ideally - a dedicated single developer with maybe smaller side titles that maybe don't have licenses for the teams and drivers but definitely at least can use the generic F1 model vehicle (something like the NFL Blitz games or something of that nature) or maybe even dedicated developers for like F2 or maybe there will be some actual motivation when say a Indycar game comes out.
My experience with the F1 games. Bought 2010, 2011 saw these are the same with some changes so bought every so often. Then EA bought Codemasters and I said nah. Bought 22 and that was it
Online gaming is what most people want these days. Racing game drivers enjoy online the most and it's what keeps the game alive for an entire year. The devs haven't done anything for the online community since forever. (Well, they added "Leagues", but we can't use it since we can't add penalties etc.) Just let us drive all the tracks backwards and give us loads of classic tracks, old F1 tracks and possible future F1-tracks.
They needed to add a proper simulation handling option, better damage models, tyre models, car models and better sound!
My wheel broke and I was in no rush to replace it because the games are shite.
F1 deserve to be a simulation game like assetto corsa competizione, And instead of having new game every year, they cold make 1 base game and every year DLC for new season
Don’t forget that F1 2024 is available on Xbox pass, so won’t show as sales
For me, as someone with limited dexterity and mobility the f1 games require more consistent precision than I can mentally and physically handle 😅 I hit a wall almost every lap or I’m lance stroll levels of slow.
it's really peculiar how the timelines match up between EA taking over and the game declining in sales and quality.🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
i hope F1 25 is the last for EA
It would actually be cool if beamng took the licence, because even if sponsers dont allow for an insane damage model, the handling and internal damage alone would make it a beautiful experience, it would also be a chance for them to update the aero model and tyre physics
If they end up losing, I hope that the devloper that gets it isn't directly linked to Sony or Microsoft. That could open a way for them to turn the game into a exclusive for their console like in the 2000s when Sony had them.
As a controller user, I find these latest games really terrible it's too slow and can't utilize the downforce in the high-speed corners as you can't flick the steering as you have wanted. Whenever I miss playing F1 my go-to games are 2018 and 2020(there's some delay though but not as terrible as the F1 22 and 24)
I think the problem is that F1 24 has been launched too early in fact as a beta, now the game is much better, probably better than F1 23, but it's too late because steam has been already flooded with bad reviews of the "pre-release"
i just wish F1 2010 was still available on Steam to buy. my all time favourite F1 game, and a steam key for F1 2010 are almost £1000.. R.I.P. would love to see F1 2010 come back on steam
This is exactly the same problem as with Madden…
What about NHL, EA FC (FIFA)?
I will admit I really like F1 2024 however there is some context behind it. The last F1 I properly played through was probably 2020 / 2021 so it has been a few years. Has much changed since those days? Stands out to me that it's largely the same game. It still looks good and plays well and because I had that 3 years break from the series, I felt I got my moneys worth from it. However if I was an existing fan, someone that had bought every title from 2020 through to 2023 and then bought this? I'd feel ripped off. Not enough has changed. They need to sort this out quickly or else people will turn off in droves (it's already semi-happening). They're right on the edge of that cliff and with 2025 I feel it's do or die for EA, Codemasters and this series.
I actually prefer the F1 2024 Manager game atm to be honest
Kyloton needs that license their rally games were excellent they'll make a nice grippy good sounding car
these connecting to server thing pisses me off
That would be nice if Rockstar could build the F1 game. What they did with the GTA game was incredible. But yeah, E&A needs to either have open competition or replace for another company.
I enjoy the F1 24 game after the handling update as the racing itself is fun, but the bugs that remains after so many years and the lack of improvement in certain areas really hurts their reputation. Also at day 1 of 2024 game was just a clown show because the handling was horrible. I am not sure if their revenue was reduced as you can generate the same ammount of revenue by increasing the game cost and they have been doing this over the last decade. So, number of sales.. yes, decreased but revenue.....
I think there is lack of understanding what goes into these games.
I've hardly touched the CM F1 games, maybe spent 30 minutes with one of them years ago, I think it was the demo on the PS3. As far as I was concerned they didn't come close to GP3 and 4 when it came to simulating F1 races. From what I can tell they still aren't at that level. Personally I don't care if they loose the licence or not.
However, what you need to realise is stuff they had Ideas for after let's say 2020 don't feed into the annual release for years. You can't just rebuild a game every year.
The nature of annual releases when it comes to any sports game is iteration for a few years then a big push with new features, rebuilt physics, graphics engines and the such. It's why most games that have sequels take years to launch, more so these days when the demand from gamers is that it needs to be perfect, new, the best every year or it's not worth anything.
There will come a point that the new features come online and feed into one of the annual releases.
Sometimes you get that game in an annual release that seems lightyears further ahead than the previous year. That's because all the tech, development and ideas from years ago have come together. Maybe some of what they wanted has been delayed not in viable state for a certain years game then pushed back into one of those standout moments in a series.
The road maps for what features can be added are probably 8 years long at this point. Things they have ideas for now won't be ready until the next generation of hardware. They'll actively be targeting things like that and seeing what can we do, can we add something new, will we go cross gen for a couple of games while we invest in a rebuilt graphics engine that itself won't be fully featured for a couple years after it's introduced.
Annual releases are a curse as well as blessing especially if successful. It's a blessing if successful because you can get funds in each year to help cover the development costs of whatever your next big push is. It's a curse because at some point all you can really do is update the last game that had that big push forward until your ideas are actually developed.
At some point it should all come together, maybe EA will pressure them in another direction, anything is possible. Based on past F1 games you get a couple of big improvements over a game or two then it settles down and you get a few lulls. Then you get a couple of great ones again.
On the flip side, If they do loose the licence and are aware it's going then don't expect anything major because they'll be pushing that tech and development into a different game.
i think the handling of f1 24 actually feels great now, but i like alot of oversteer, so im probally in the minority there, i do thing the racing is not good against the ai, since i always see massive ers/drs trains forming.
I've never really understood why any racing sim would be an annual release... stop making us pay 60, 70, 80+ dollars for a game every year. It would be great if they treated it closer to iracing. With tech the way it is today make the game with like a console life cycle and update it. Every year release a bigger update to address graphics upgrades, ai improvements, real world changes and charge 20 bucks. Some of us are just done spending so much for an annual game that gets very little attention after release and doesnt allow growth within the game. Play for awhile buy a new one and start over... gets old. Just let me play my team for 4 or 5 years and be more realistic that way without the fomo effect that new shiny game has.
Don't think it can be underestimated the effect that boring F1 racing irl and the subsequent fade in fans and viewers is having on the entirety of the sport, not just the game itself. It's boring when one team/one guy wins everything all the time, at least with other sports like FIFA there is multiple leagues in every country, not just the premier league
From the outside looking in, the game has just looked reskinned since F1 2021
Bought all of them
From 09-2022 . 22 was the last one ,I won’t buy again .Handling models and online glitches on launch just got too much . All they had to do was give us the option of historic tracks and I would have been happy . With a decent handling model of course
You are completely 100% right and I agree with everything you said.
These games have had the same bugs for years. I’ve had it where I get graphical glitches on Ps5, I’ve got a penalty for overtaking under a yellow flag when I’ve been in 1st amongst others. When I used to play on PC it was the same.
Also, there’s no need to upgrade when there are no new tracks. Why not put in there old tracks that aren’t on the calendar? India, Sepang, South Korea, Turkey etc.
I feel like the owners of f1 ip wouldn't even care about the game doing well or not. As long as it doesn't cause a controversy that will affect the image of the brand, they wont do anything about it
I don't know if this is good or bad for EA/Consumers. But why not just provide a platform game like Sims 4 where you just have the base game (perhaps you buy F1 2024) then subsequent years with the same engine have updates with tracks/ drivers for a smaller fee than a huge reengineered game each calendar year.
I bought every PlayStation F1 game from F1 CE to F1 2020. Played 2021 and 2023 but didn’t buy. Now I don’t think I’ll bother trying the next games. Maybe if they stop cosplaying like a NetFlix/mobile game chimera I’ll reconsider.
Imo there should be 2 f1 games: one sim-cade like the current one, and one more simulator, maybe structured like le mans ultimate, I mean, you don't have to buy the game every year but there will be some premium content every season
I’ve been buying F1 since F1 2010 and I won’t be buying anymore of their games until they bring VR for the PlayStation. Why would I won’t to race F1 on a tv when I can play GT7 with the PSVR2 for such a great immersive experience.
At the end of the day, the license holder sell it to the one paying the most money. Unless they really damage the F1 brand itself, they will just go what gets them the most. And i think it will keep EA, since its a brand with a reputation, money and experience with annual sport games. There arent many brands like that out there that might be able to do that annually.
That being said, i dislike EA with their bare minimum approach and focus on loot boxes and/or disappointing DLCs. I miss the Geoff Crammond GP series.
I gave them one last chance with F1 22 and that was the final straw. I went back to F1 2019 which for me is the best of the bunch but to be honest AMS2 is all I really need these days!
The reason 24 is doing so bad is the HANDLING. This isnt some algebraic equation. I say this as someone who played almost every single day since 2019 game. And i bought 24 on release day. Like i have since 2020. And i tried to get used to it. I waited until the patch hoping they would fix things. I played for a month after the patch. The handling is awful. Simple as that. Makes the game not fun to play. So now im playing 23
People like me buy this game year in year out to improve!! The issue is it is hard to get into leauge racing...and there is no way you can improve against 110 AI as every race is the same race no matter the circuit and you win with no lessons learnt....They need to release the game with an option of a complete simulation for sim racing fans or an arcade game for the player who just want a bit of fun complete revamp the game and repay us for our loyalty