Fun fact, Arturo Merzario was one of the few drivers who could undo the ferrari seat belts from Niki because ferarri used proprietary 6 point belt not used by any other team. Truly astonishing
If there ever comes a Volume 4, here would be my THREE entries: 1) The March 840 - March's attempt at an eight wheel car 2) Ekstrom Grand Prix - Only info regarding this is on unracedF1 and is very surprising. 3) Pre-Qualifying
Yeah I put this in the post a few weeks ago but Zhuhai in China was originally supposed to get the Chinese GP in the late 90s but that fell through and went to Shanghai, so that could be interesting to cover
4) 2005 and early 2016 qualifying 5) worst asian drivers debate between Ide, Inoue and Haryanto 6) list of previous generation cars with current liveries 7) new york grand prix
@@yudhabagaskara98 4) I still remembering that early 2016 qualifying system. 👿 5) One of them is from my country. 6) I can't wait for that! 🙌 7) I hope this is never happened.
SOME MORE IDEAS FOR NEXT VOL: -Abandoned/overgrown Hockenheim ring -Lewis Hamilton, Charles Leclerc music -Rossi Ferrari testing -Paul Di Resta ruins the 2012 finale -Old track layouts -Tsunoda mysterious engine failure, benefiting RedBull. Zandvoort 2022 -Hamilton trainer suddenly parting ways. Early 2023 -More dodgy sponsors -F1 Car seen driving on public motorway (actually an F2 car) -Vladimir Putin in an F1 car -Michael Massi was forced to bend the rules by liberty media seniors. 2021 finale -Tom Cruise vs Richard Hammond in F1 car -Top gear F1 drivers lap times -Hamilton reverse ageing -Brawn GP ‘camber-gate’. Mechanics hiding data from the other side of the garage -Bianca Bustamante Lance Stroll -Jos Verstappen is a wife beater Love this series. So well put together and researched. Keep it up.
Wow, a modern version of the 1984 Race of Champions would be absolutely amazing. Inviting perennial talents from various racing disciplines around the world, and every living F1 champ to have a fun event would be absolutely priceless
That shit would have the viewer count of an actual F1 race I swear. Put the drivers in AMG GT3’s on the Nürburgring GP Circuit so they can have close racing in a relatively stable, yet still fast car and boom you got yourself the perfect event.
For vol.4 I have a few idea (sorry if it was before): - The forgotten new Saudi track - The forgotten Indonesian Grand Prix - When Mahaveer was slower in F2 than drivers in F3 - Berger's jokes on Senna - Halo againsters (those who were against were the ones whom it saved) - The stewards used dogs (against audience in 1973 dutch GP), also, the whole incident should take a part - Peter Collins should've been 1956 champion - Ecclestone-Moss switch (1958 monaco GP) - Patrese m*rdered Peterson
1) Which new Saudi Arabian track that you mean? 2) Indonesian Grand Prix? That is my home country! I know this. 3) I still remember this! 😆 4) In which Grand Prix? 5) Halo againsters? Great idea. 6) What? 😮 7) Why? 8) I already know this one. 9) What? In which Grand Prix? 😮
@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 for your questions: 1) Qiddiyah (or sth like that), should be there from 2025, but delayed to 2028 I believe 2) Yes, there would've been a new track next to the new capital, but I haven't heard anything about it (should've been race from 2025-26) 4) It's not just one GP. Berger and Senna used to prank the other for straight years in the most hilarious ways (like Berger threw out Senna's new suitcase from a plane, because he was so proud of it, etc) 6) Yes, Roger Williamson crashed and was upside down, the car is on fire, he was stuck. A driver tried to help him, rotating the car, which was impossible alone. The marshals were careless, didn't help nor didn't have fireproof clothes, the extuingisher was not alone, the fire engine was far from the scene. So the driver tried to ask help from the audience who tried to go to the track. To avoid any further casualities they used dogs as well if I'm not mistaken to prevent fans going to the track.
@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 sorry, from phone I could continue like that. So 7) because Fangio was Collins's idol, the latter let Fangio to drive his car, spare the points and that's why Fangio is the champion of 1956. Collins thought he is young, has plenty of time winning it (died 2 years later in an accident). 9) 1978 Italian GP. They thought Patrese scared Hunt, because the start was rigged (they didn't wait everyone to stop, so the back was in a huge advantage at the start, like Patrese) and Hunt made the accident in which Peterson died. For years Patrese was convicted as a murderer and the court said that he is not guilty
In addition to the Latifi timing, Massi inexplicably moved lapped cars out of the way of Verstappen to close him up to Hamilton. The famous Toto Wolf quote of "No, no Mikey! This is so wrong!" still plays in my head whenever I think about that race.
The Funny thing is if they wanted drama they had it without messing up the end of that race and the Saudi Arabian GP the week before. If the poles and fastest laps had aligned correctly they could have tied with Lewis winning the Championship on the wins tiebreaker. The earlier close calls at Silverstone, and Monza wouldn't look too suspicious if the end didn't feel like the stewards and Masi were completely incompetent or rigging the end of the season. I'm a Max fan and I don't feel like F1 did either driver justice with how they handled the last 2 GPs of 2021.
It's even more sus, when they could've easily let them all through earlier, actually stating that lap cars can't overtake (something people forget), and then Alonso coming onto the radio joking about how ridiculous it was
@@joshuawhelan9358 Or Masi could have thrown the red flag since he was making rules up to force a finish. That way Hamilton has the same tires as Max and the lap cars are clear. A true 1-2 lap sprint for a world title is about as dramatic as it gets.
There's a rumor, no idea how true, that Massi was told by one of the other stewards that only 5 cars had been lapped. So his decision to unlap only those cars, which happened to be between Hamilton and Verstappen, was based on faulty information and the assumption that he *had* done it by the book. Then Masi was used as a scapegoat to protect the FIA from a blunder of their own making, not just his. That's the rumor, anyway...
@@thegoldencaulk2742 Again it probably would have been better even if it was technically a unorthodox decision to red flag the race so that he would have know the amount of cars to unlap if their was any doubt. Those last 2 races were either the most incompetently marshaled and run races in a long time or were very much planned to go a certain way if that was what was needed to create drama that already existed to some extent.
I know im late but if theres ever a volume 4 here are some ideas - 2011 Bahrain GP - Massa 2012 US GP grid penalty -1960 Italian GP boycott - 1975 Spanish GP -1977 South African GP incident - Martin Donnelly crash - USF1 -Manor 2017 prototype -Lost Caterham points -HRT's 8th place
@felipe9968 At first, I thought it was about the start of the 2011 Italian Grand Prix, when Vitantonio Liuzzi kicking off both Vitaly Petrov and Nico Rosberg on "unusual way", but I don't know if I'm right or wrong about my thoughts on "HRT's 8th place".
Really love these iceberg videos a lot they’re very very good and I’ll admit I’ve paused a few times gone and done some more reading and research on a few things throat all the videos that you’ve done like this really really informative and really good.
i just can’t believe Barcelona 2012 was rigged. if it was, why would Williams/FIA not prioritise Senna instead of Maldonado? think of the implications if the Senna name was on top again, driving a Williams. Maldonado doesn’t have the same marketing pool…
My best bet would be a potential influence by the Venezuelan government to get a Venezuelan winner in a time of great bother for Venezuela as around and since that time, Venezuela has been in perilous financial difficulties and to see a Venezuelan win at the highest level of motorsport would reinvigorate the Venezuelan public.
People forget that no one understood the tyres in early 2012, and that Maldonado was very fast that year when he didn't crash into things. It's really a year where the results sheets won't tell you half the story. Not hard to imagine the perfect storm where he wins on merit. Also, a Maldonado win wasn't gonna help sport as a whole. Remember when Brawn won in 2009, and everyone said it was great but the global ratings fell by like 20%? Outliers winning isn't often what brings in new people.
Caribbean Grand Prix can be included in the next iceberg. Just missing a signature, Colombian President Petro declined after everything being arranged. To be raced in Barranquilla, Montoya assessed in this and he broke out the news of the failure. Petro also declined the Pan-American games in Barranquilla. As a result, Madrid was chosen for F1. Hopefully we can have a GP at my home country in 2028/30.
Vol. 4: Trulli was sabotaged. In 2004, Jarno Trulli outscored Fernando Alonso throughout the first half of the season and took Renault's only win in Monaco. But after the French GP, all of a sudden he lost all confidence in the car, had a huge shunt in Silverstone and was then way off the pace for the rest of the season until he was eventually fired. Coincidentally, he had cut ties with team boss Flavio Briatore as his personal manager just before his remarkable and sudden drop in form.
-Montoya to Ferrari -Montoya complaining about bias to Schumacher -Ferrari sabotaged Irvine's chance of the 1999 championship -Kimi nearly bankrupting lotus -Saudi GP practice session still going when a nearby oil refinery was bombed -The way that Montoya and villeneuve left F1 -Honda at bonneville -Sergio marchionne asking for "grey areas in the regulation" -2007 and 2011 funny commercials featuring Mika Hakkinen (Hamilton and Alonso) (Schumacher and Rosberg)
the Yemeni rockets over the saudi free practices was an all time moment lol. They cut a peace deal pretty shortly after that, in terms pretty unfavourable if you're from the saudi pov
For the next Iceberg Tier 1 add F1 Elimination Qualifying(i know it lasted for 2 races but i think it needs to be discussed) and Arjun Maini story(i know it's f2 but it deserves to be mentioned)
As the person who suggested the "it has to be this lap" one in the first place, I have to point out the possibility that it could be an auditory illusion - if you listen to the radio message, it could easily be "let's keep this up" and you hear whichever one you want to hear on each listen Edit after watching what he said about it: as if to support the audio illusion thing, I'm convinced it's "give it everything" but Peter interpreted it as "the overtake"
If you're going to make a volume 4, i have one for you. Brazil 2003, turn 3 puddle of "death". The track was drying out after some rain, but there was a lot of standing water in turn 3. This took out at least 5 drivers including Schumacher, who spun out when a crane was on track removing other cars. This race was also the last win of the Jordan F1 team.
Lost F1 Grand Prixs could be a fun topic for another video 😊 Igora Drive, Curacao, Venezuela, Rome, New York, New Jersey, London, Mar del Plata, Copenhagen, Moscow etc.
I love these deep dive iceburgs, watched a few other iceberg video in the past but I really do appreciate Peter's historian type of approach with some fun and humour thrown in!
Ideas for Vol.4: Tier 8: East German and Franciost Spainish drivers. Reason: according to wikipedia there were 4 drivers that came from East Germany (a communist regime) and even though a lot of drivers in Spain like Alonoso were born in modern day Spain however I counted 6 drivers that raced under the Francoist Regime ( a fascist regime that lasted from 1936-1975) I know this video was posted a few months ago but this would make for a really intresting iceburg entry so long as you use wikipedia I think this would make for an intresting entry that even the most knowlegible F1 fans don't know.
For Vol 4, Verstappen winning all 3 (so far) of his titles in "weird" ways: - Abu Dhabi '21 (self explanatory) - Japan '22 (half points- wait no, full points- wait no, half points, etc.) - Qatar Sprint '23 (Perez crashing out in a sprint, Verstappen clinches title in the middle of a race which isn't even the Grand Prix)
I watched this video just today, but again excellent piece of work on this channel, one of the best F1 content on RUclips, very informative, well researched, no clickbaits, fake informations or unfunny jokes. KEEP IT UP MY FRIEND! My two suggestions for the next iceberg: - Formula 1 drivers who drove in World Rally Championship (apart from obvious drivers like Kubica or Raikkonen there are many F1 drivers who took part in the WRC, to some extent you can also talk about times before the formation of the World Rally Championship, for example Graham Hill and Jim Clark drove on the RAC Rally in the 1960s) and, in comparison, WRC drivers who tested the F1 cars (AFAIK the closest to drove in an actual F1 Grand Prix was Sebastien Loeb in 2009) - Formula 1 in former Eastern Bloc/Iron Curtain countries. Specifically, during when the Iron Curtain still existed. We know that F1 came in 1986 to Hungary, but there were proposals of Grand Prix in Soviet Union or Poland, there were several drivers who drove the F1 car (apart from the obvious ones when the Iron Curtain was long gone), maybe they were people who worked in F1, also there was a thing called Soviet Formula 1 (and a few Soviet cars supposedly bulit to the F1 regulations but with obvious limits), the very good topic is also how (or if) the Formula 1 was showed in the press and media. I know that particurarly the second suggestion is very troublesome, but I think it is very interesting subject. I'm from Poland and I know some facts about F1 in Poland, so I can provide some help if neccesary. All the best for the future and keep working :D
Couple of Vol.4 Suggestions: -Lion GP, an unraced F1 with 12 wheels -Chinese GP should've taken place at Zhuhai circuit long before 2004 -Jason Plato is the best F1 driver
Love these Iceberg videos! If you do another, ive got a few suggestions for entries. 1. De Cesaris Health Issues. James Hunt would sometimes suggest that De Cesaris had a "twitch" that could be an underlying reason for some of his crashes. 2. Bravo F1. A mysterious team that was supposedly registered to join the 1994 F1 season along with Pacific and Simtek. They even appeared on the team sheat with 2 drivers "signed" for them. 3. "British Bias" 4. Formula E is the Riterement home of F1. This is a common sentiment due to the high ammount of Ex F1 drivers who joined the series in its earlier years. 5. Osella's lost podium. Larini almost scored a podium at Canada 89 in an Osella that spent most of the season failing to qualify, or even pre qualify. Also mention his P11 qualifying result at Aus 89. 6. The lost 1991 BMW entry. Simtek had designed a car for 91 to be used by BMW. They would not end up joining in 91. 7. Stroll's safety car curse. Its a bit strange how common it is for an SC to come out just a lap or 2 afted Stroll has pitted. 8. The Larrousse team and its carious criminal investors and partners. 9. FIA DSQ Larrousse from 1990 to benefit Legier due to connections between the 2 10. Frenzen offered yo pay his own money to fix the Jordan before he was sacked (this one I git from Wikipedia) 11. Dan Tiktum 12. McLaren at Turkey 2010 lying to Hamilton that Button had turned his Engine down to get him to do the same in an attempt to have Button overtake. Basically a more intellegent version of Fernando is Faster Than You. (Watch the 2010 season review for the radio transmissions) 13. De Cesaris podiums whilst having run out of fuel. He got 2 of these, the more famous at Monaco 82, the less famous at Spa 87, where he had to push his Brabham over the line to classify 3rd. 14. GP Masters
Next volume you could add renault’s mass damper in 2005/06, it helped for grip and they used it in 2005 to easily win the title, however midway through the 2006 season McLaren convinced the fia it was a movable aerodynamic device which closed the championship. The controversy is that the fia did that to spice the championship as Schumi was 29 points behind alonso at that time. I know im a bit late😅
You forgot to mention that Carlos Sainz personally knew Maria de Villota, and nowdays carries a red star on the back of his helmet in rmemeberance. However, this was a great video
Other suggestion: 1) Formula A (Between '46 and '48 Formula 1 was called Formula A, but it was changed in Formula 1 because meanwhile Formula B was also renamed Formula 2 and it has not to be confused with Formula 5000, a championship for Formula cars with a maximum of 5.0 l of displacement that was known as Formula A in North America) 2) Charles Leclerc Monaco curse 3) Ivan Capelli has no "capelli" (Ivan Capelli is an italian former F1 driver and the fun and interesting part is that capelli in italian means hair, but he's bald) 4) Voiturette (Before WW2, Formula 2 cars were called voiturette, wich means small car in french) 5) Mid engine cars in the '30s (Even if mid engine cars in F1 in the '50s were treated like novelty, actually in the Formula Gran Prix in the '30s there were already some mid engine cars) 6) Durex sponsorship
1) If it was still stay until today, we would have FIA Formula A World Championship, FIA Formula B Championship, FIA Formula C Championship, and multiple FIA Formula D Championships. 2) Agree, but still more better than Rubens Barrichello's Brazilian curse. It absolutely painful for Rubinho. 3) Very interesting. 4) I never heard that. 5) New knowledge for me. 6) Which company was that?
Wow, I didn't expect to cry during this video, but the story on Maria got me. That is a very sad story, thank you for raising my awareness to it. I will further research her.
My contributions to part 4 if you’re thinking of it! 1 - John Surtees is the true goat, winning world championships on both 2 and 4 wheels - could expand to people who have raced in both at world level (Cecotto, hailwood etc) 2 - Lella Lombardi being the only woman to score points (I know you’ve mentioned it prior but maybe worth a deep dive!) 3 - royalty/noblemen in F1 (B Bira and I’m sure that there are others from early on, maybe a shout out to Ferdinand Habsburg)
Feels like if you bring up Lella Lombardi you should mention Desire Wilson too for being such a big what if story. As far as royals go, de Beaufort and von Opel had very quirky life stories(so did Prince Bira tbh).
@@mooreanonumbersYou forgot Taffy Von Tripps and Fon de Portago. Secondary characters like Rikky von Opel and pre F1 Guy Boriat, the Earl of March and Count Czasowszki. Also the first F1 casualty in chronological order: Charles de Tornaco, who ran in a yellow modified Ferrari
i suggest adding in future icebergs the australian grand prix that never was when in 2020 the australian grand prix was canceled due to covid and plans were made for the bend motorsport park to be used for the australian grand prix and it almost got a race in 2021 and in 2024 its still on the FIAs watchlist for a grand prix in the future
The halo has saved the life of Roman Grosjean, perhaps Fernando Alonso, and is a positive step in safety. As often happens a tragic death happens that leads to innovation like the halo. Safety is in a decent place in F1, major steps are made after tragedies such as Senna’s death, recently Jules Bianchi. A look at Roman Grosjean’a crash and one can marvel of the difference the halo made proving itself in an otherwise certain death incident. I was blown away as many of us to have seen what seemed like a miracle saving Romaine’s life for certain with the other car features while highlighting fire proof suit improvement opportunities with driver gloves.
If Senna signed for Minardi, the horde of sponsors, talented designers and mechanics would have been eager to sign up as well! Realistically elevating Minardi to the top of the mid field or possibly a front runner if Newey signed too!
Checked the calender at the breakaway series bit....would have loved to see them do F1 at Surfers Paradise. If only............... Also curious about the Helsinki track!
Here are my suggestions for the 4th F1 Iceberg; - Schumacher’s 1997 Disqualification - First Racing’s Failed Chassis - Jim Clark Cup & Colin Chapman Trophy - WEC and IndyCar are better than F1 - McLaren’s Origins - The 1955 Le Mans Disaster - Embassy Hill - The Orange Army’s hatred of other drivers - Hamilton’s Zombie Years in McLaren and Mercedes - Jos the Wife Beater - ‘Valleri, It’s James.’ - Lockdown Sim Racing with F1 Drivers - Why FIA are Favouring Red Bull and Verstappen - Is the F1 Fanbase Becoming a Verstappen Fanclub? There are my entries and hope to see how Peter thinks of this.
1) Because of the 1997 European Grand Prix, on Lap 48 if I not wrong. 2) Another team with weird name. 3) I think I've heard it before. 4) For me, WEC > F1 > IndyCar. 5) That's bring me to two words: Bruce McLaren 😎 6) The reason why Mercedes-Benz not on the grid in 1956-1993 period. 7) Which is that? 😮 8) Well, orange fog after the 2021-2022 Dutch Grand Prix is pretty bother. 9) 2009-2013, of course. 10) What is that? 😮 11) Started from the 2018 German Grand Prix, after Sebastian Vettel crashing into the barrier on Lap 52 of 67. 12) March-June 2020, of course. And also December 2020-February 2021 as a honorable mention. 13) Very interesting question. 🤔 14) This is so scary, for me.
I’ll remember Carlos’ first podium forever. Such a shame no one really talked about it. I mean, it was an impressive drive, he’s really talented. No surprise they were calling him Ghost back in his McLaren days
Are there any confirmed images of the AP04B chassis? Feels like that could be some kind of F1 lost media holy grail. Also, something interesting you could explore for the next Iceberg, assuming you make one, is the failed Sauber Honda deal, and how it could have changed the entire complexion of modern F1.
Arturo Merzario was final driver to devut with Ferrari before Oliver Bearman Henry Surtees, Maria de Villota, Jules Bianchi and Justin Wilson's crashes with fatal consequences brought a reason for halo
Heres a few: Roland Ratzenberger was one of the most popular drivers 9 years before he drove in F1 Danica Patrick shouldve been a F1 contender Jenson Button was the first to beat Lewis in equal machinery Coulthards extensive legacy of subtle but planned inuendos and other rude double meanings on live TV that hes been getting away with for years Colin Mcrae driving for Jordan
Wow, so much stuff I had forgotten from recent history, like Maria de Villota, and many tidbits I didn't know about, like the extent of the Carterham administration mess.
Mr.Iceberg is back with another one of his offsprings
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Ideas for Vol.4:
-The lost Russian GP at Igora Drive
-The loss of non-championship grand prix
-Valentino Rossi's F1 tests and near entry in 2006
Wth is Igora Drive?
@333xz a race track in Russia more close to Saint Petersburg that was supposed to replace Sochi for the Russian GP
@@TheUnsainted huh when was that supposed to happen? I've literally never heard about it
@@333xz it was planned for 2023 but then the war happened and F1 wouldn't go to Russia anymore so it never happened
@@TheUnsainted was it like uhh idk how to say it, like a big rumour?
Fun fact, Arturo Merzario was one of the few drivers who could undo the ferrari seat belts from Niki because ferarri used proprietary 6 point belt not used by any other team. Truly astonishing
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If there ever comes a Volume 4, here would be my THREE entries:
1) The March 840 - March's attempt at an eight wheel car
2) Ekstrom Grand Prix - Only info regarding this is on unracedF1 and is very surprising.
3) Pre-Qualifying
Yeah I put this in the post a few weeks ago but Zhuhai in China was originally supposed to get the Chinese GP in the late 90s but that fell through and went to Shanghai, so that could be interesting to cover
4) 2005 and early 2016 qualifying
5) worst asian drivers debate between Ide, Inoue and Haryanto
6) list of previous generation cars with current liveries
7) new york grand prix
Vettel OTP
@@yudhabagaskara98 4) I still remembering that early 2016 qualifying system. 👿
5) One of them is from my country.
6) I can't wait for that! 🙌
7) I hope this is never happened.
I can't find anything on the March 840
SOME MORE IDEAS FOR NEXT VOL:
-Abandoned/overgrown Hockenheim ring
-Lewis Hamilton, Charles Leclerc music
-Rossi Ferrari testing
-Paul Di Resta ruins the 2012 finale
-Old track layouts
-Tsunoda mysterious engine failure, benefiting RedBull. Zandvoort 2022
-Hamilton trainer suddenly parting ways. Early 2023
-More dodgy sponsors
-F1 Car seen driving on public motorway (actually an F2 car)
-Vladimir Putin in an F1 car
-Michael Massi was forced to bend the rules by liberty media seniors. 2021 finale
-Tom Cruise vs Richard Hammond in F1 car
-Top gear F1 drivers lap times
-Hamilton reverse ageing
-Brawn GP ‘camber-gate’. Mechanics hiding data from the other side of the garage
-Bianca Bustamante Lance Stroll
-Jos Verstappen is a wife beater
Love this series. So well put together and researched. Keep it up.
Better than Putin in a F1 car, the Putin ChampCar shirt
Also Hans Heyer
Wow, a modern version of the 1984 Race of Champions would be absolutely amazing. Inviting perennial talents from various racing disciplines around the world, and every living F1 champ to have a fun event would be absolutely priceless
That shit would have the viewer count of an actual F1 race I swear. Put the drivers in AMG GT3’s on the Nürburgring GP Circuit so they can have close racing in a relatively stable, yet still fast car and boom you got yourself the perfect event.
Yeah, Liberty takes care of that, so drivers and heir closest teammates (like race eng) are busy all year and have like month break all year
I bet Alonso and Verstappen would fight for win with Lewis coming 3rd 20 sec behind them, then everyone else like 30+ sec behind🤣
The copyright free music in the background has become iconic
What’s the name of it? It’s calming and scary at the same time
@@ygt_92 yes, it is quite uncanny. In the description you can click the video with the music.
@@ok.-ok. cheers
For vol.4 I have a few idea (sorry if it was before):
- The forgotten new Saudi track
- The forgotten Indonesian Grand Prix
- When Mahaveer was slower in F2 than drivers in F3
- Berger's jokes on Senna
- Halo againsters (those who were against were the ones whom it saved)
- The stewards used dogs (against audience in 1973 dutch GP), also, the whole incident should take a part
- Peter Collins should've been 1956 champion
- Ecclestone-Moss switch (1958 monaco GP)
- Patrese m*rdered Peterson
1) Which new Saudi Arabian track that you mean?
2) Indonesian Grand Prix? That is my home country! I know this.
3) I still remember this! 😆
4) In which Grand Prix?
5) Halo againsters? Great idea.
6) What? 😮
7) Why?
8) I already know this one.
9) What? In which Grand Prix? 😮
@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 for your questions:
1) Qiddiyah (or sth like that), should be there from 2025, but delayed to 2028 I believe
2) Yes, there would've been a new track next to the new capital, but I haven't heard anything about it (should've been race from 2025-26)
4) It's not just one GP. Berger and Senna used to prank the other for straight years in the most hilarious ways (like Berger threw out Senna's new suitcase from a plane, because he was so proud of it, etc)
6) Yes, Roger Williamson crashed and was upside down, the car is on fire, he was stuck. A driver tried to help him, rotating the car, which was impossible alone. The marshals were careless, didn't help nor didn't have fireproof clothes, the extuingisher was not alone, the fire engine was far from the scene. So the driver tried to ask help from the audience who tried to go to the track. To avoid any further casualities they used dogs as well if I'm not mistaken to prevent fans going to the track.
@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 sorry, from phone I could continue like that.
So
7) because Fangio was Collins's idol, the latter let Fangio to drive his car, spare the points and that's why Fangio is the champion of 1956. Collins thought he is young, has plenty of time winning it (died 2 years later in an accident).
9) 1978 Italian GP. They thought Patrese scared Hunt, because the start was rigged (they didn't wait everyone to stop, so the back was in a huge advantage at the start, like Patrese) and Hunt made the accident in which Peterson died. For years Patrese was convicted as a murderer and the court said that he is not guilty
@@leventeszucs1650 Okay, thank you for all this information. 🙏
Thank you Peter. Now the sentence “it has to be this lap” will live in my head rent free for the next year until the next Iceberg Volume
i've never really put in much thought into it before this and it's pretty bone chilling now to see it from this context
"And make sure you arent carrying any equal machinery on you" best advice I've ever been given :D
In addition to the Latifi timing, Massi inexplicably moved lapped cars out of the way of Verstappen to close him up to Hamilton. The famous Toto Wolf quote of "No, no Mikey! This is so wrong!" still plays in my head whenever I think about that race.
The Funny thing is if they wanted drama they had it without messing up the end of that race and the Saudi Arabian GP the week before. If the poles and fastest laps had aligned correctly they could have tied with Lewis winning the Championship on the wins tiebreaker. The earlier close calls at Silverstone, and Monza wouldn't look too suspicious if the end didn't feel like the stewards and Masi were completely incompetent or rigging the end of the season. I'm a Max fan and I don't feel like F1 did either driver justice with how they handled the last 2 GPs of 2021.
It's even more sus, when they could've easily let them all through earlier, actually stating that lap cars can't overtake (something people forget), and then Alonso coming onto the radio joking about how ridiculous it was
@@joshuawhelan9358 Or Masi could have thrown the red flag since he was making rules up to force a finish. That way Hamilton has the same tires as Max and the lap cars are clear. A true 1-2 lap sprint for a world title is about as dramatic as it gets.
There's a rumor, no idea how true, that Massi was told by one of the other stewards that only 5 cars had been lapped. So his decision to unlap only those cars, which happened to be between Hamilton and Verstappen, was based on faulty information and the assumption that he *had* done it by the book. Then Masi was used as a scapegoat to protect the FIA from a blunder of their own making, not just his.
That's the rumor, anyway...
@@thegoldencaulk2742 Again it probably would have been better even if it was technically a unorthodox decision to red flag the race so that he would have know the amount of cars to unlap if their was any doubt. Those last 2 races were either the most incompetently marshaled and run races in a long time or were very much planned to go a certain way if that was what was needed to create drama that already existed to some extent.
Well, damn. Now I need a "Make Minardi Great Again" hat. 😂
James Hunt cutting corners on that race of champions was the most James Hunt thing ever
I know im late but if theres ever a volume 4 here are some ideas
- 2011 Bahrain GP
- Massa 2012 US GP grid penalty
-1960 Italian GP boycott
- 1975 Spanish GP
-1977 South African GP incident
- Martin Donnelly crash
- USF1
-Manor 2017 prototype
-Lost Caterham points
-HRT's 8th place
All of your ideas is good, I'm forgot to mention it in my own comments.
HRT's 8th place ?
@felipe9968 At first, I thought it was about the start of the 2011 Italian Grand Prix, when Vitantonio Liuzzi kicking off both Vitaly Petrov and Nico Rosberg on "unusual way", but I don't know if I'm right or wrong about my thoughts on "HRT's 8th place".
Thank you for acknowledging my submissions
Barrichello not winning in Brazil is such a shame, deserves a home win
Really love these iceberg videos a lot they’re very very good and I’ll admit I’ve paused a few times gone and done some more reading and research on a few things throat all the videos that you’ve done like this really really informative and really good.
"Who would make an F1 car out of wood?"
>designer used to work at DeHaviland
"Ah makes sense"
i just can’t believe Barcelona 2012 was rigged. if it was, why would Williams/FIA not prioritise Senna instead of Maldonado? think of the implications if the Senna name was on top again, driving a Williams. Maldonado doesn’t have the same marketing pool…
My best bet would be a potential influence by the Venezuelan government to get a Venezuelan winner in a time of great bother for Venezuela as around and since that time, Venezuela has been in perilous financial difficulties and to see a Venezuelan win at the highest level of motorsport would reinvigorate the Venezuelan public.
What if they only decided after qualifying?
The conspiracy theories are absolutely ridiculous. I'm hoping people don't actually believe in them 😂
@@MaunoKoivistoOfficialI don't believe them in the slightest but it's cool
People forget that no one understood the tyres in early 2012, and that Maldonado was very fast that year when he didn't crash into things. It's really a year where the results sheets won't tell you half the story. Not hard to imagine the perfect storm where he wins on merit. Also, a Maldonado win wasn't gonna help sport as a whole. Remember when Brawn won in 2009, and everyone said it was great but the global ratings fell by like 20%? Outliers winning isn't often what brings in new people.
Caribbean Grand Prix can be included in the next iceberg. Just missing a signature, Colombian President Petro declined after everything being arranged. To be raced in Barranquilla, Montoya assessed in this and he broke out the news of the failure. Petro also declined the Pan-American games in Barranquilla. As a result, Madrid was chosen for F1. Hopefully we can have a GP at my home country in 2028/30.
I think this tradition runs in this channel now;one iceberg video every April on a Saturday,gets you going honestly. 😂
Vol. 4: Trulli was sabotaged.
In 2004, Jarno Trulli outscored Fernando Alonso throughout the first half of the season and took Renault's only win in Monaco. But after the French GP, all of a sudden he lost all confidence in the car, had a huge shunt in Silverstone and was then way off the pace for the rest of the season until he was eventually fired. Coincidentally, he had cut ties with team boss Flavio Briatore as his personal manager just before his remarkable and sudden drop in form.
apparently schumacher was gifted a 7 million dollar mansion in dubai which he never even visited, that might be a fun one
-Montoya to Ferrari
-Montoya complaining about bias to Schumacher
-Ferrari sabotaged Irvine's chance of the 1999 championship
-Kimi nearly bankrupting lotus
-Saudi GP practice session still going when a nearby oil refinery was bombed
-The way that Montoya and villeneuve left F1
-Honda at bonneville
-Sergio marchionne asking for "grey areas in the regulation"
-2007 and 2011 funny commercials featuring Mika Hakkinen (Hamilton and Alonso) (Schumacher and Rosberg)
He did Ferrari sabotaging Irvine in a previous video.
the Yemeni rockets over the saudi free practices was an all time moment lol. They cut a peace deal pretty shortly after that, in terms pretty unfavourable if you're from the saudi pov
For the next Iceberg Tier 1 add F1 Elimination Qualifying(i know it lasted for 2 races but i think it needs to be discussed) and
Arjun Maini story(i know it's f2 but it deserves to be mentioned)
As the person who suggested the "it has to be this lap" one in the first place, I have to point out the possibility that it could be an auditory illusion - if you listen to the radio message, it could easily be "let's keep this up" and you hear whichever one you want to hear on each listen
Edit after watching what he said about it: as if to support the audio illusion thing, I'm convinced it's "give it everything" but Peter interpreted it as "the overtake"
I also hear "let's keep this up"
Thanks for including my suggestion :D
(For anyone wondering, it's the Lost Vietnamese Grand Prix)
If you're going to make a volume 4, i have one for you. Brazil 2003, turn 3 puddle of "death". The track was drying out after some rain, but there was a lot of standing water in turn 3. This took out at least 5 drivers including Schumacher, who spun out when a crane was on track removing other cars. This race was also the last win of the Jordan F1 team.
Lost F1 Grand Prixs could be a fun topic for another video 😊
Igora Drive, Curacao, Venezuela, Rome, New York, New Jersey, London, Mar del Plata, Copenhagen, Moscow etc.
If the Russian Grand Prix not banned because of Russia itself, Moscow and Igora Drive can be good replacement for Sochi. 🇷🇺
Another fun, entertaining, juicy and conspiracy iceberg. Another great day in the office for Peter Brook 👌
These are incredible, Pete. So well done, thanks for all the hard work!
The Rosberg segment was brilliant.
I love these deep dive iceburgs, watched a few other iceberg video in the past but I really do appreciate Peter's historian type of approach with some fun and humour thrown in!
just got home from ufc 300 can’t been looking forward to this for a while man appreciate all your efforts
Ideas for Vol.4:
Tier 8: East German and Franciost Spainish drivers. Reason: according to wikipedia there were 4 drivers that came from East Germany (a communist regime) and even though a lot of drivers in Spain like Alonoso were born in modern day Spain however I counted 6 drivers that raced under the Francoist Regime ( a fascist regime that lasted from 1936-1975) I know this video was posted a few months ago but this would make for a really intresting iceburg entry so long as you use wikipedia I think this would make for an intresting entry that even the most knowlegible F1 fans don't know.
For Vol 4, Verstappen winning all 3 (so far) of his titles in "weird" ways:
- Abu Dhabi '21 (self explanatory)
- Japan '22 (half points- wait no, full points- wait no, half points, etc.)
- Qatar Sprint '23 (Perez crashing out in a sprint, Verstappen clinches title in the middle of a race which isn't even the Grand Prix)
I watched this video just today, but again excellent piece of work on this channel, one of the best F1 content on RUclips, very informative, well researched, no clickbaits, fake informations or unfunny jokes. KEEP IT UP MY FRIEND! My two suggestions for the next iceberg:
- Formula 1 drivers who drove in World Rally Championship (apart from obvious drivers like Kubica or Raikkonen there are many F1 drivers who took part in the WRC, to some extent you can also talk about times before the formation of the World Rally Championship, for example Graham Hill and Jim Clark drove on the RAC Rally in the 1960s) and, in comparison, WRC drivers who tested the F1 cars (AFAIK the closest to drove in an actual F1 Grand Prix was Sebastien Loeb in 2009)
- Formula 1 in former Eastern Bloc/Iron Curtain countries. Specifically, during when the Iron Curtain still existed. We know that F1 came in 1986 to Hungary, but there were proposals of Grand Prix in Soviet Union or Poland, there were several drivers who drove the F1 car (apart from the obvious ones when the Iron Curtain was long gone), maybe they were people who worked in F1, also there was a thing called Soviet Formula 1 (and a few Soviet cars supposedly bulit to the F1 regulations but with obvious limits), the very good topic is also how (or if) the Formula 1 was showed in the press and media.
I know that particurarly the second suggestion is very troublesome, but I think it is very interesting subject. I'm from Poland and I know some facts about F1 in Poland, so I can provide some help if neccesary. All the best for the future and keep working :D
Couple of Vol.4 Suggestions:
-Lion GP, an unraced F1 with 12 wheels
-Chinese GP should've taken place at Zhuhai circuit long before 2004
-Jason Plato is the best F1 driver
Love these Iceberg videos! If you do another, ive got a few suggestions for entries.
1. De Cesaris Health Issues. James Hunt would sometimes suggest that De Cesaris had a "twitch" that could be an underlying reason for some of his crashes.
2. Bravo F1. A mysterious team that was supposedly registered to join the 1994 F1 season along with Pacific and Simtek. They even appeared on the team sheat with 2 drivers "signed" for them.
3. "British Bias"
4. Formula E is the Riterement home of F1. This is a common sentiment due to the high ammount of Ex F1 drivers who joined the series in its earlier years.
5. Osella's lost podium. Larini almost scored a podium at Canada 89 in an Osella that spent most of the season failing to qualify, or even pre qualify. Also mention his P11 qualifying result at Aus 89.
6. The lost 1991 BMW entry. Simtek had designed a car for 91 to be used by BMW. They would not end up joining in 91.
7. Stroll's safety car curse. Its a bit strange how common it is for an SC to come out just a lap or 2 afted Stroll has pitted.
8. The Larrousse team and its carious criminal investors and partners.
9. FIA DSQ Larrousse from 1990 to benefit Legier due to connections between the 2
10. Frenzen offered yo pay his own money to fix the Jordan before he was sacked (this one I git from Wikipedia)
11. Dan Tiktum
12. McLaren at Turkey 2010 lying to Hamilton that Button had turned his Engine down to get him to do the same in an attempt to have Button overtake. Basically a more intellegent version of Fernando is Faster Than You. (Watch the 2010 season review for the radio transmissions)
13. De Cesaris podiums whilst having run out of fuel. He got 2 of these, the more famous at Monaco 82, the less famous at Spa 87, where he had to push his Brabham over the line to classify 3rd.
14. GP Masters
The Larousse (sp?) team, if I remember correctly is one of a few that could arguably dispute the name of 'Squadra Omicidi'
Imagine Grand Prix Masters still exist today.....
I might be the only person who likes the 2007 and 2008 Honda liveries
I like the 2008 one, but not the 2007 one
@@LegoSnoopDogg Me on the contrary, 2008 is more dull, although still fairly nice
I do as well. They added a splash of green to the grid, I think 2007/2008 just had some nice liveries across the grid in general.
I like the 2007 version, but the 2008 season is mediocre for me.
I loved 2007 even if the idea behind it made zero sense
mr. iceberg never fails to fill me up with his information
the accent plus the cold Ambient track in the background really sounds like a Adam Curtis documentary
Who knew Formula 1 had more twists and turns than a race track? Loving these iceberg dives, keep 'em coming, Mr. Iceberg!
In regards to the Mercedes Race of Champions, imagine as you mentioned a modern day equivalent, but also throw Dan Ticktum into the mix.
I can't imagine the amount of work that it takes to make these videos, you're a legend bro. Cheers!
Some of the entries are fascinating and I was very surprised I had never heard of the Senna and Minardi thing. Thanks for the vid.
Been waiting for this video fr. What a legend this man
Next volume you could add renault’s mass damper in 2005/06, it helped for grip and they used it in 2005 to easily win the title, however midway through the 2006 season McLaren convinced the fia it was a movable aerodynamic device which closed the championship. The controversy is that the fia did that to spice the championship as Schumi was 29 points behind alonso at that time. I know im a bit late😅
Fia banned the damper*
Ideas for new iceberg: Berrilumgate, Plankgate, DSQ-gate, Benneton fuel rigs, McLaren dreadful stops 2012,
I think these videos are too short. I want to sink a whole day into these.
Great job, really enjoy them as always
Now we need the Formula 3 Iceberg Vol 1
Grosjean Hit Ericsson. You know it’s true Peter. You can keep ignoring me but it’s true
Love these, thanks Pete :)
You forgot to mention that Carlos Sainz personally knew Maria de Villota, and nowdays carries a red star on the back of his helmet in rmemeberance. However, this was a great video
Lesson after 3 volumes: if you’re a team and someone mentions energy drinks…run (unless you’re redbull)
Great video as always!
From what I've seen, the most appropriate way to describe James Hunt is that he doesn't give a fuxk😂😂
YES! ANOTHER ICEBERG! I love these so much! ❤
Other suggestion:
1) Formula A (Between '46 and '48 Formula 1 was called Formula A, but it was changed in Formula 1 because meanwhile Formula B was also renamed Formula 2 and it has not to be confused with Formula 5000, a championship for Formula cars with a maximum of 5.0 l of displacement that was known as Formula A in North America)
2) Charles Leclerc Monaco curse
3) Ivan Capelli has no "capelli" (Ivan Capelli is an italian former F1 driver and the fun and interesting part is that capelli in italian means hair, but he's bald)
4) Voiturette (Before WW2, Formula 2 cars were called voiturette, wich means small car in french)
5) Mid engine cars in the '30s (Even if mid engine cars in F1 in the '50s were treated like novelty, actually in the Formula Gran Prix in the '30s there were already some mid engine cars)
6) Durex sponsorship
1) If it was still stay until today, we would have FIA Formula A World Championship, FIA Formula B Championship, FIA Formula C Championship, and multiple FIA Formula D Championships.
2) Agree, but still more better than Rubens Barrichello's Brazilian curse. It absolutely painful for Rubinho.
3) Very interesting.
4) I never heard that.
5) New knowledge for me.
6) Which company was that?
46:26 I agree with you especially Azerbaijan. Why does a random Central Asian country nobody cares about have an F1 track really baffles me tbh
babe wake up!! vol 3 of f1 conspiracies dropped 🔥🔥
Wow, I didn't expect to cry during this video, but the story on Maria got me. That is a very sad story, thank you for raising my awareness to it. I will further research her.
i love this channel and these videos, i'm glad you're making them!
I love dipping in and out of this video. I had never heard of the 1984 Race of Champions.
I want to visit parallel universes to see these strange "what if" stories, especially the one with Senna ending his carreer with Minardi
My contributions to part 4 if you’re thinking of it!
1 - John Surtees is the true goat, winning world championships on both 2 and 4 wheels - could expand to people who have raced in both at world level (Cecotto, hailwood etc)
2 - Lella Lombardi being the only woman to score points (I know you’ve mentioned it prior but maybe worth a deep dive!)
3 - royalty/noblemen in F1 (B Bira and I’m sure that there are others from early on, maybe a shout out to Ferdinand Habsburg)
Feels like if you bring up Lella Lombardi you should mention Desire Wilson too for being such a big what if story.
As far as royals go, de Beaufort and von Opel had very quirky life stories(so did Prince Bira tbh).
@@mooreanonumbersYou forgot Taffy Von Tripps and Fon de Portago. Secondary characters like Rikky von Opel and pre F1 Guy Boriat, the Earl of March and Count Czasowszki.
Also the first F1 casualty in chronological order: Charles de Tornaco, who ran in a yellow modified Ferrari
Cant wait!
Didn't realise I wasn't subscribed, have now fixed that :) Love your content mate! 🇦🇺
Abu Dhabi 2021.
In spite of everything, I still don't know why Hamilton didn't defend the inside and then do everything possible to keep Max behind.
Loved this mate
i suggest adding in future icebergs the australian grand prix that never was when in 2020 the australian grand prix was canceled due to covid and plans were made for the bend motorsport park to be used for the australian grand prix and it almost got a race in 2021 and in 2024 its still on the FIAs watchlist for a grand prix in the future
Wow really?! From which source so you can say that? 😮
The halo has saved the life of Roman Grosjean, perhaps Fernando Alonso, and is a positive step in safety. As often happens a tragic death happens that leads to innovation like the halo. Safety is in a decent place in F1, major steps are made after tragedies such as Senna’s death, recently Jules Bianchi. A look at Roman Grosjean’a crash and one can marvel of the difference the halo made proving itself in an otherwise certain death incident. I was blown away as many of us to have seen what seemed like a miracle saving Romaine’s life for certain with the other car features while highlighting fire proof suit improvement opportunities with driver gloves.
Brits will come up with any conspiracy to theorize as to why their driver lost to Verstappen in mostly equal equipment, I swear.
Who Max, the fake 2021 Champ? Also I am not a Brit
It’s been 3 years, just move on bro
@@thedogethatgameswell, get felipe massa to move on
@@whateverrrrrr123 cry 😢
Go get a job
Some new content for the iceberg. Nice!
And Nico Rosberg selfie curse? Interesting.
While in 1994 Senna did techincally spin off, understating it like that is downright criminal.
If Senna signed for Minardi, the horde of sponsors, talented designers and mechanics would have been eager to sign up as well! Realistically elevating Minardi to the top of the mid field or possibly a front runner if Newey signed too!
Awesome series! 🙌
Nice. You included Barcelona 2012. I recommended that in previous. Thank U!!!!
Checked the calender at the breakaway series bit....would have loved to see them do F1 at Surfers Paradise. If only............... Also curious about the Helsinki track!
Superb content, Mr Brook. To you, I subscribe.
This may be controversial but the MyEarthdream Hondas are beautiful.
Great video as always.
What I really noticed in this one: Your German pronounciation is very good for a (assumingly?) native English speaker! :)
Here are my suggestions for the 4th F1 Iceberg;
- Schumacher’s 1997 Disqualification
- First Racing’s Failed Chassis
- Jim Clark Cup & Colin Chapman Trophy
- WEC and IndyCar are better than F1
- McLaren’s Origins
- The 1955 Le Mans Disaster
- Embassy Hill
- The Orange Army’s hatred of other drivers
- Hamilton’s Zombie Years in McLaren and Mercedes
- Jos the Wife Beater
- ‘Valleri, It’s James.’
- Lockdown Sim Racing with F1 Drivers
- Why FIA are Favouring Red Bull and Verstappen
- Is the F1 Fanbase Becoming a Verstappen Fanclub?
There are my entries and hope to see how Peter thinks of this.
1) Because of the 1997 European Grand Prix, on Lap 48 if I not wrong.
2) Another team with weird name.
3) I think I've heard it before.
4) For me, WEC > F1 > IndyCar.
5) That's bring me to two words: Bruce McLaren 😎
6) The reason why Mercedes-Benz not on the grid in 1956-1993 period.
7) Which is that? 😮
8) Well, orange fog after the 2021-2022 Dutch Grand Prix is pretty bother.
9) 2009-2013, of course.
10) What is that? 😮
11) Started from the 2018 German Grand Prix, after Sebastian Vettel crashing into the barrier on Lap 52 of 67.
12) March-June 2020, of course. And also December 2020-February 2021 as a honorable mention.
13) Very interesting question. 🤔
14) This is so scary, for me.
Peter Brook, such a great youtuber!
EngineMode11 suggested it was not the tires, but rather the fuel that gave Maldonado the advantage.
Very good Video!!! So underrated
I love the story of that Mercedes 190E race. I really hope someone at Mercedes is watching this.
48:52 i can imagine them opening that section back up and some cyclist breaks in and gets pissed off at the drivers for being on a race track
I’ll remember Carlos’ first podium forever. Such a shame no one really talked about it. I mean, it was an impressive drive, he’s really talented. No surprise they were calling him Ghost back in his McLaren days
Are there any confirmed images of the AP04B chassis? Feels like that could be some kind of F1 lost media holy grail.
Also, something interesting you could explore for the next Iceberg, assuming you make one, is the failed Sauber Honda deal, and how it could have changed the entire complexion of modern F1.
Arturo Merzario was final driver to devut with Ferrari before Oliver Bearman
Henry Surtees, Maria de Villota, Jules Bianchi and Justin Wilson's crashes with fatal consequences brought a reason for halo
Who else always hears "One Pablo Montoya" when British people say his name?
oh wow i was just watching the first 2 parts yesterday
The unraced 2010 Toyota or the Prost AP05 could be interesting entries for Vol.4, can't remember if you've covered them yet.
That is on list of unraced Formula 1® cars, too.
Heres a few:
Roland Ratzenberger was one of the most popular drivers 9 years before he drove in F1
Danica Patrick shouldve been a F1 contender
Jenson Button was the first to beat Lewis in equal machinery
Coulthards extensive legacy of subtle but planned inuendos and other rude double meanings on live TV that hes been getting away with for years
Colin Mcrae driving for Jordan
Volume 4 idea - Race stewarts favor British drivers
Excellent video
Brilliant upload
Wow, so much stuff I had forgotten from recent history, like Maria de Villota, and many tidbits I didn't know about, like the extent of the Carterham administration mess.
"Senna sabotaged Warwick" gave me LoL ptsd i stg
idea for next episode: was the sauber in 2012 a championship contender
Sauber C31 (2012) was one of my favorite midfield car. 😍