Hit the LIKE BUTTON if you enjoyed this Switch 2 Info video. Thanks for the big support guys, I really appreciate all of you. BTW yes I heard the new dev rumor today that they are saying we should not expect Switch 2 **before** April 2025, which still lines up with the release timing I and others already expected, a first half of 2025 launch of Switch 2 to start the new fiscal year (April 2025 is the start of a new FY) for Nintendo, so to be honest that’s not really much of a new rumor per say, just a more clear time range of an already close to expected release range (March). If the dev rumor said to not expect it before Holiday 2025, that would be different, but keep clear in mind: Nintendo has confirmed directly to everyone that Switch 2 will be revealed before the end of March 2025, so either way we have 6-7 months at the most before we see Switch 2 revealed, which is very exciting. Be sure to subscribe to my second channel as well: ruclips.net/channel/UCzIgg9TOPWvbDXRSOss8xVQ for more supplemental content like we posted today. Fun times.
I wonder if the Metroid Prime 4 gameplay they showed is actually on Unreal Engine 5 or a form of it on about what it will look like on Switch. When they finally reveal the next Nintendo console that they will show Metroid Prime 4 again how it looked on Switch but then smoothly transition to what it will look like on the next console, with the enhancements it will almost certainly have regarding the up-scaling tech being shown off. That's my prediction.
Nowadays there are so many RUclips channels like this one - talking over 10 mins about nothing. Of course it's Nvidia chip, Nintendo already confirmed Switch 2 is compatible with Switch 1 games. Just a tiny bit of info that you can say in a sentence - yet it's stretch to 15 mins of dribble.
SuperMetalDave64 is actually one of the small handful of Switch channels that doesn't game the algorithm with empty clickbait videos for the sake of ad revenue. If that were true, he'd be posting every day like Nintendo Prime's fake boring ass. This is the place where you'll receive carefully curated, noteworthy information regarding potential technical specifications, extrapolated from the most trustworthy sources. This channel is geared towards more technical audiences.
how I wish some new company come out and compete against nintendo and dominate the console so they'd start doing things right. ohh wait didnt steam deck come on in like 2022? .. bruh
@@RiqMoran Since Wii and DS, Nintendo has not competed in having the most technical power. In addition, the Switch 2 will be a portable console with the possibility of being a desktop. If you want an efficient + powerful console at $300 price, don't think you'll have thin handheld RTX 5060 console with a 20-hour battery, because it's simply not possible. Also, Blackwell was delayed a few months, it would be extremely expensive to implement a Blackwell GPU on the Switch, I'd rather they implement one with Lovelace architecture since it has time on the market and has been polished a lot. (Also, cheaper to use than the very very new Blackwell).
NVidia has a history of charging so much money companies have to go elsewhere. That's why there is no successive record of NVidia GPUs in the console market. Xbox (original) had a great NVidia GPU and was price competitive on launch, but the PS2 and Gamecube both had price cuts that severely undercut the Xbox price just a year later. Microsoft couldn't lower their price, they already lost BILLIONS on the cost of manufacturing the first Xbox. Xbox 360 went AMD and it was faster and cheaper than the NVidia GPU in the PS3 despite launching a year earlier. Nintendo probably went with NVidia as nobody offered a more competitive price and backwards compatibility was a focus. The only possible alternative was a Samsung chip as they were the only lower priced option open (or possibly Mediatek). /// I'd like to mention that the Switch is the first Nintendo console without price drops, and Nintendo might have pricing issues with the Switch 2. If the Switch 2 is $300 people will be happy, but will people run out to buy a $400 product? Only the USD is strong, a $400 USD Switch 2 would be extremely expensive in Japan and Europe and Canada.
@@luckyrockmore2796 The Switch OLED plus game and controller is already more expensive than the PS5 with the same. The Switch 2 at $400 USD would be even worse value.
the switch is horrible value for money, crazy overpriced, say what you want about MS but the Series S has been the best value for money in gaming in a long time@@Garrus-w2h
@@jarde1989 and now they need to stay for backwards compatibility, but cost might be an issue, which might be why they plan on using a 5 years old Ampere arch in 2025
It was confirmed nvidia back in 2022 when Lapsu$ performed a ransom attack on Nvidia, releasing over a TB of Nvidia internal work server data. The Gimle Board and it's SOC T239, and it's gpu GA10F, with GA=Ampere, were found in files for a graphics API titled NVN2. Which stands for NVidia Nintendo. There has been 0 mystery. Everyone who actually knows anything, has known for years. GA10F is going to demolish the steamdeck though. Its 6x the size in alu count between the cuda cores and the tensor cores (1536 fp32 raster + 1536 fp16 up to 8x hardware acceleration compute) vs steamdecks 512 fp32, with no dedicated compute logic. And steamdeck is clocked super low for an rdna gpu. Like usually amd gpu's are clocked like a ghz higher than Nvidia GPU's, like the rog ally extreme has it right, but steamdeck.... woof. Switch 2 is going to beat steamdeck while sipping power in portable, and its going to beat the brakes off steamdecks top clocks in docked mode.
@@Nobody-sp7ug a lot of it depends on what manufacturing node it's going to be on I think. Looks likely Samsung 6nm which is around 25% denser and 20% more power efficient and 15% higher clocks than 8nm from what I've read.
@Loundsify we know the dimensions of the tablet case from the shipping manifests. It's smaller than the steamdeck but has a gpu with 6x the alu's. That tells us everything relevant we need to know about the lithography.
@@Nobody-sp7ugbut it's performance all depends on what clocks it's set to in portable. I'm sure in docked it'll make the SD look silly but remember in portable the SD is targeting 800p Vs 1080p for the Switch and although DLSS will be able to claw some of that performance back it's not some magic bullet tool that gives 2x performance for free, on average it's 50% performance boost. I have a feeling the portable clocks for the switch 2 will be very conservative. I do also expect that backwards compatibility will mean Switch 1 docked performance in Switch 2 portable mode.
@Loundsify The switch 2 has 6x the alu's as steamdeck. 1536 fp32, and 1536 fp16 (organized into 48 tensor cores, 32 fp16 per core). Dlss is not free, it literally dedicates a massive amount of its die space to the hardware required to run it and other compute intense applications that can benefit from 8x hardware accelerated tensor ops (matrix operations). If that die space wasnt spent on tensor cores and instead had an amd style only raster design, the switch 2 would have 2304 fp32 shaders instead of 1536. The steamdeck only has 512. The switch 2 can clock 3x lower than the steamdeck and match its raster peak theoretical while sipping power. (And absolutely destroying it in ability to actually get close to said peak theoretical, with more schedulers, and more active warps with 576 48 32 thread active warps per sm vs steamdecks 256 32 32 thread warps per cu.) Switch 2 only needs to clock at 530 mhz to match steamdecks peak theoretical of 1.6 tflops from clocking at 1.6 ghz. And that's not counting the 13 Tflops fp16 or 26 Tops int8 that would be coming from the tensor cores, the dedicated hardware taking up a huge amount of space in each sm partition thats providing the massive amount of compute for powering the "free" dlss. Switch has 3 portable profiles, 40%, 50%, and 60% of docked. There is no reason and it is not realistic to think switch 2 won't do the same. 500 mhz is around the lowest ampere can clock before it stops gaining watt per flop efficiency, ie you stop saving battery power and heat by lowering clock speed (Iirc 480 mhz is the actual lowest possible before crashing, as stated in the orin jetson nano documentation) 530mhz would match steamdecks peak theoretical 1.6 tflops fp32 from 1.6ghz. Here's a hypothetical profile set since matching steamdeck is almost as low as its possible for ga10f to go: 40%=0.524 ghz, 1.6 Tflops. (Matches deck) 50%=0.655 ghz, 2 Tflops. 60%=0.786 Ghz (This is almost exactly the switches docked clock) 2.4 Tflops Docked = 1.31 Ghz, 4 Tflops. Here's a second hypothetical using the lowest allowed power draw/clocks from the orin jetson nano: 40%=0.48 Ghz, 1.4 Tflops 50%=0.6 Ghz, 1.8 Tflops, steamdeck beat. 60% = 0.72 ghz 2.2 tflops Docked=1.2 Ghz, 3.68 Tflops.
@@Jokerwolf666 yeah and all the correct articles pointed out that there was no exclusivity contract. All he did was talking about how he hopes to sell for 10 years go look it up of course there’s no exclusivity contract. Why would Nintendo sign one?
Your analysis of the possible graphics performance of the Switch 2 is pretty good but you didn't touch on the CPU performance at all aside from throwing a jab at the Steam Deck's CPU while not showing any comparisons with what we think we know about the ARM based CPU that's going to be in the Switch 2. Realistically speaking, if the CPU is the same that's shown in the T239 chip then it would likely be weaker overall than the Steam Deck's CPU in pretty much all single-threaded operations but could also come close in multi-threaded tasks. So unless this aspect of the chip is upgraded in some way over what's been shown then the Switch 2 will likely struggle to hit 60FPS in games where the Xbox Series S can despite being able to possibly exceed it at times visually while docked due to a more advanced GPU/DLSS and more RAM.
The standard a78, which is weaker and less efficient than the A78c in the switch 2, has been benched beating the 3.5ghz steamdeck zen2 in geekbench 5 single threaded performance, at around 1.5 watts draw for the core, with 2 watts being 3 GHz.
His gpu analysis only makes sense when we're talking about raytracing, the RX 6600 is over 20% faster than an RTX 3050 in non ray traced games for example, despite the 6600 having 30% less cores
@arknein3159 lol, thats because it's clocked 50% higher. It also gets completely wasted once dlss enters the picture. And clock for clock it gets curb stomped.
@@Nobody-sp7ug 50% faster? I don't think you did the right math at all, the 6600 has a boost clock of around 2500 (rounded up) and the rtx 3050 has a boost clock of 1800 (rounded up) and thats a clock increase of 38%, meanwhile the 3050 has 42% more cores and the 6600 is around 29% faster in non RT(watch?v=iTrlJ-jsDRY) so if we're counting just how fast the cores are, RDNA2 is faster no matter how you slice it, sure if you add DLSS the 3050 wins, but thats not what we're talking about are we? Core for Core rdna2 is faster
@@Nobody-sp7ug We could also just use the 6700XT, same numbers of cores as the 3050 (2560), sure it's clocked 40% higher than the 3050, however its 80% faster in non RT games
Nintendo is not going with a custom Ada chipset. It would be too expensive for their taste. It’s a custom Ampere architecture GPU on a new node process.
It's been discussed ad nauseum that Switch 2's GPU will be an Amphere/Lovelace hybrid, with DLSS 3 being necessary for the scaling performance required by Nintendo. I'm assuming 90% Amphere with a 10% "sprinkle" of Lovelace. Nintendo is obsessed with low cost, which is why there's no OLED display, yet.
Using 2 upscalers at the same time increases latency way too much. I believe the switch 2 dev kits will only use dlss, and it will use it constantly to boost frames and prolong battery life. It will be marginally better than steam deck only if the cpu is better. Docked is the only way it'll surpass that power.
If they're working with Nvidia, then they got a good enough deal in terms of pricing. If Nvidia offered something overpriced to Nintendo which is easy to do then no Nvidia.
Gonna be disappointed if it comes with 8gb of memory, split for 2gb system and 6gb for graphics. We see devs reluctancy working on the XSS (10gb ram), six- eight years on 8gb isn't gonna be great. We'll run into the same issues we had half way through the switch 1's life cycle.
Shipping data is showing that Switch 2 will be 12GB unified memory - Less than Steam Deck's 16GB but more than Xbox Series S' 10GB. ...And it also uses faster memory than what Steam Deck uses.
What @mitchtellars said, exactly. We've already seen BOMs showing what amounts to 12GB of fast LPDDR5 running at 7500 MT/sec for Switch 2 and they're already in production.
The way nintendo selects chips, theyve always chosen 1-2 generations behind for the cheaper price, switch 2 is most likely going to be ampere since it launched a bit ago but I wouldnt be surprised if its turing for cost but scaled up cores on the newer process.
No way they go with Turing as that's already discontinued by Nvidia. Even the RTX 2050 laptop GPU, which can be found in $400 gaming laptops, uses Ampere.
@@SuperMetalDave64 Doing just great. I especially love this clip. I'm looking forward to Nintendo and NVIDIA's Switch sucessor later this year (at the earliest).
Nvidia upscalling and frame generation is top tier and leages ahead everybody else . Those two technologies on a handheld screen is going to look so damn crisp and run like butter . Next gen switch games are going to look real nice
I thought that with the switch, they were going to really decrease the power in handheld mode and have it pretty powerful docked bc power supply and cooling. I was wrong but maybe this time around there will be a bigger difference between docked and portable.
There are new rumors that Nintendo's gimmick for Switch 2 will be dual screen support by wirelessly sending video to dock. The Switch 2's screen can be used as a second screen ala Wii U for titles that make use of multiple screens. It sounds entirely feasible and would explain the need for a fan in dock.
@ToeCutter0 let's hope not, figured they would have abandoned that altogether after wii U. Maybe they won't use graphic intensive applications for it. Just user interface stuff, maps, inventory, etc.
@@ToeCutter0 it makes no sense to need a fan for a wireless video receiver nor does it make sense to have hardware in the dock that will double the price and make game development so complex it wouldn’t even be worth developing for. A huge difference in docked performance may be a nice option for cross platform development, but the main goal for Nintendo is probably something like 60fps 1080-4k mario docked and 720 handheld with all other graphics settings the same. Making the experiences more similar saves development cost and time, makes the experiences more consistent for players.
Nsight is mostly used to find bugs or performance data. This likely has nothing to do with the console or its operating system, its very likely for some internal game or tool they develope...
I'm fine with Switch 2 release in holiday 2025. Nintendo & Nvidia must be upgrading the T239 SOC that finalised at the end of 2022 to a more power efficient T400 something I think. Maybe shockingly using Ada Lovelace architecture, not Ampere architecture. I think they upgrade T239 to a more power efficient SOC, that's the delay, not because of software only
Nintendo historically downclock their hardware. I would suggest that portable mode is inferior to Steam Deck and docked mode will be superior to a degree. Keep your expectations in check.
I mean regardless of how good the battery was I still played with the plugged in they need to focus on the power also being up to damn near docking levels when it's plugged in
Are you forgetting Amd ai 370 strix and soon to be strix point! The current one has 16 cu’s! Strix point will have 40 cu’s! It only uses 25 watts at max
dlss 540p is really good , even on a 1440p display tried it myself .... i can't go back down to fsr sorry but fsr sucks when base resolution for upscaling is below 1080p , at least dlss 540p produces decents results
You didn't mention the clock speeds for switch 2 and stean deck. The core count isn't everything. Not saying Switch 2 won't be faster than Steam Deck tho.
Performance per watt and performance per dollar are far better from AMD than nVidia, at least in the x86 world. Switch 2 will likely stick with an ARM processor, so I've no idea what GPU it would use. I'd like to see a switch 2 with maybe 8 rdna2 CUs and usb-c video output standard. An optional dock could provide 8 more CUs for 4k 60 when docked.
Ampere is only stronger per unit than rdna 2 if we're talking about ray tracing and fp32, but for gaming without raytracing rdna2 is stronger, and the proof is on the rx 6600 vs rtx 3050: The 6600 has 1792 cores and the 3050 has 2560 and yet, the 6600 is over 20% faster than a 3050 in non ray traced games
There was an Nvidia employee who confirmed the T239 chip, saying the hardware was already fully set back in 2022, and that Nvidia had already moved him on to other projects because of that. I can't remember the channel that went over all that, but he said it was modified a bit with "goodies" specific to Nintendo's preferences for the console. It'll probably be pretty low-powered, but I'm hoping the recent rumors about the dock coming with a fan & 60w charger will make it so Nintendo doesn’t down-clock the device like they did with Tegra X1
Nvidia tflops do not correlate with real performance; for example, an Nvidia Ampere gpu rated at 2 TFLOPS is actually equivalent to 1.44 TFLOPS because 1/2 of the Cuda core can do integer and tflop, so you only get 1/2 of the FP32 performance, and modern game scientific calculations need integer the most for GPU-driven rendering, so Nvidia wanted to shift those operations to AI instead, which is why it doesn't use more die space. Also, 1/3 of an SM has an AI core; I expect them to use 8 SM with the AI cores deactivated and 4 other SM with the compute ones deactivated for AI. I already calculated it, the device will sip 25w docked and 13w unlocked, the 4sm are used for ai upscaling, but I doubt there will be any RT cores because the original chip was an ai workstation chip. You might be wondering why they're separated; that's because they're not part of the same pipeline, and if they left them next to each other, they would compete for bandwidth and decrease occupancy because even in a desktop gpu, when compute tasks are running, AI tasks are run on another separate sm. Also, NVIDIA Ampere has an issue when it comes to F32 Exponential 2, FP32 Reciprocal, FP32 Reciprocal Square Root, and FP32 Sine, which are all instructions needed for the open world, and they only have half the performance compared to AMD, which is the reason why Ampere suffers from stuttering when the world gets too big, which people mostly think is a vram problem, but they dominate in AI and RT, which is probably the solution they chose to their problems.
It's been demo'd running the matrix awakens demo last year with RT enabled, with reactions saying the effects were similar to PS5 at a lower resolution. So yes it has RT cores lol. Also will be on 6nm at Samsung 😊
@@Loundsify There might be a chance that they'll be inside of the other 4sm because remember these 4sm might be the only new things that are added to the existing die which me be 4 RT cores, you might be asking why not add 12 RT cores, the problem is power usage, these RT cores don't come free of cost, they're litterally double in size compared to AMD but 2x times more powerfull because they also do bvh traversal and require a lot of bandwith. Samsung 6nm might be possible to save a lot of power, also using LPDDR5x and clocking it down to 102 GB/s might also be a good decision for power comsumption. AMD didn't have any power comsumption problems because of the infinity cache present on desktop, steam deck, and rog ally which is why they can use the full clock speed of LPDDR5.
@@Loundsify They'll be able to but at the cost of some performance loss that they could recouperate by using DLSS, also let's not forget that they'll use LPDDR5x not because of the performance but the efficiency so they could downclock it, the steam deck is lucky to get this efficiency gain because it has 8MB of infinity cache that acts like fast memory.
Nintendo has been making underpowered consoles for two decades now, and you can trace their philosophy back to the Game Boy. Back in the day the Deck was impressive, now it's a low bar and expecting Nintendo to clear it by any more than a few inches is a pipe dream. They will optimize the games to punch above their weight though.
Nintendo have 2 underpowered consoles: Wii and Wii U. Switch is a top technology for a hybrid back in 2017. There are no other tablet or smartphone stronger than switch on march 2017. And Switch 2 will be a lot stronger than Steam Deck. Don't forgot that Switch 2 can run the Matrix Awakens demo and Steam deck can't.
switch hardware was pretty top tier for a mobile device, even the cpu and the ram which are considered its weakest side by far were pretty spot on in early 2017, when most phones didn't have more than 4gb of ram, it had a really good gpu for a mobile device, even for modern standard it still has some things to say (its been almost 8 years the console itself released, it was going to be surpassed at some point)
I am sorry Nintendo has good competition for what they going to sell this the steam deck and i doubt they will outperform the deck plus steam store always has good sales that Nintendo will never match
Many thanks Dave, great cast as usual! This absolutely makes sure for Nintendo to stay tied with NVIDIA as they had a very fruitful collaboration and on top of this, NVIDIA is an amazing chips manufacturer ahead of its times!
Lets be honest, I think Ada and above as architecture is just wishful thinking. While it would be nice to see the significant efficiency gains from lovelace in a mobile chip, I imagine Nvidia would also demand top dollar for this and I cant imagine Nintendo reaching that deep into the pockets. I think it will be custom, mostly Ampere with some stuff retro fitted, like Shader Reordering, a decomp block and maybe beefier ML. I expect 6-8nm process with some aces up Nintendos sleeve, but I happily be proven wrong
I think DLSS is better than FSR (but not by a huge amount), however Sony will be using a new version of FSR for their Pro machine, and Nintendo could have done the same thing with RDNA4 but they would have had to delay their launch to late 2025 at the earliest.
AMD competed hard with nVidia, but lost because Nintendo was reluctant to leave nVidia's NV API for programming. Nintendo devs have thousands of hours worth of experience using NV, so iterating it to V2 and learning new features was far easier than moving to a brand new API for AMD. Sources say AMD Soundwave performed well and met the cost requirement for Nintendo, but nVidia still won due to NV2 being far easier for programmers to leverage quickly. Considering how long modern games take to develop this makes quite a bit of sense.
@@ToeCutter0probably more about backwards compatibility being a major thing for Nintendo was their reasoning to sticking with Nvidia more than anything.
with the entrance of giant pc players like asus, Lenovo and msi plus the king valve, nintendo must be really careful. if nintendo able to create a very great differentiation then it will succeed
None of those PC handhelds are going to threaten or outsell Nintendo. They do not have the household recognizability nor are they sold in the best places where families would consider them. I own PC handhelds and I know none of them threaten Nintendo in the slightest. Nintendo also will sell at a price lower than all of them and might match the price of the base Steam Deck LCD
I'm fine with Switch 2 release in holiday 2025. Nintendo & Nvidia must be upgrading the T239 SOC that finalised at the end of 2022 to a more power efficient T400 something I think. Maybe shockingly using Ada Lovelace architecture, not Ampere architecture. I think they upgrade T239 to a more power efficient SOC, that's the delay, not because of software only
There are no technical delays. Switch 2 components are already being massed produced. Switch 2 announcement will likely end Switch sales and Nintendo is in no hurry. I'm thinking an September reveal to coincide with hype surrounding LOZ: Echoes of Wisdom, a game no one saw coming. Nintendo can showcase a brand new title while also announcing a price cut for Switch during Christmas 2024, with a Feb/March launch date for Switch 2.
@@ToeCutter0 FYI, Switch's Tegra X1 finalised at the end of 2014 & released in early 2017 (2+ years). Same with the Switch 2's Tegra T239 finalised at the end of 2022 & will be releasing in early 2025 (also 2+ years). But if Nintendo make another SOC for holiday 2025 release also I'm ok with it. Also I'm Famiborads fans
Nah. The Switch 2 will be lucky to reach Xbox 1s performance. That's just how Nintendo is. They are always way behind on power. If I'm right, I'll wait a few years before buying it. I always get Nintendo consoles but the Switch was the first time I went out and got it on day one. I don't need to do that anymore. It's not worth it.
breath of the wild was VERY blurry on the Wii U, so a lot of people bought the Switch for the resolution bump, i'm pretty sure nintendo will lean hard in to the same marketing, same games, but high resolution for the first few years
U say amd is always a year behind nvidia in power, but then say a nvidia chip from 2019 will be great for switch2. Make it make sense it's going to be 2025 when it comes out, and Steam deck 2 will be getting ready , Also nvidia is not a year ahead on low power chips it's why amd still dominates in handhelds, but keep on letting Nintendo get away with using decade old stuff, hey will u also be happy getting the same decade old LCD again, and people wounder why doesnt Nintendo use new gen tech well why try when they get praise either way , Also forgot u keep comparing steam deck to switch 2 ,does that 2019 chip have frame Gen? Because if it doesn't, it's going to be so funny to watch 3rd party games on the old steam deck out, perform the new switch 2 after all that talking about power. im just wondering do u own an xbox ?😂
Sorry folks, but nVidia confirmed long ago that Switch 2's GPU is based upon Amphere with some Lovelace features. It will not include any features from Blackwell, period. Switch 2 hardware was completed nearly 2 years ago as it was originally planned to power the never-released Switch Pro. Switch was selling incredibly well despite its age and Nintendo essentially repurposed Switch Pro to become Switch 2. To be clear, nVidia was working to release Lovelace-based AI accelerators and consumer GPU products during Nintendo's discussions with nVidia and AMD for Switch 2. Blackwell was in early design phase at the time the nVidia Tegra 239 SOC was finalized and accepted by Nintendo for manufacturing on Samsung's 7nm fab. Compute & graphics for Switch 2 are probaly the best understood of any impending system because its been in development (and leaking info) for just over 2 years now. Those who aren't familiar with recent leaks should expect Switch 2 to perform similar to PS4, as T239 is capable of around 4-4.5 TFLOPS of performance, almost exactly that of PS4. Switch 2 should easily outperform SteamDeck, considering its rumored to utilize a 1080p display vs SD's 800p display. Switch 2 will also include UFS 3.1 flash storage, capable of over 2GB/sec transfers, or about 7X faster than Switch. All of these hardware improvements will provide for an incredibly fast handheld despite the age of the tech. nVidia's NV API (used by game devs to program Switch 2 titles) has been incremented to NV2 and allows for much efficient code vs SteamOS or even Windows, like any other game console. Fans of the original Switch should be incredibly pleased with what Nintendo will announce. Switch 2 is rumored to cost $449 in US which is remarkable considering recent inflation numbers in US. The ability to run original Switch titles with full support for NSO digital games without emulation or translation is a HUGE advantage for Nintendo and a brand new approach for Japan's most successful video game and game console company. I for one think it will be worth the wait.
Where did you find any info about T239 Node? it's a thing that no one know right now. It can be 8nm like old ampere or 4nm like current Love Lace, other numbers a lot improbably. Plus switch 2 will not be old tech. The T239 was taped on second half of 2022, 2 years ago, but from taped to release is very common to take 2 years. Search for when XBOX Series was taped and you will see it was 2 years before it release.
The chip of this generation will be less of a problem in the long run since they can release a pro doc mid generation and it will be cheaper for people than just buying the whole system.
Btw I know it not too related to the switch Soc but Blackwell gpu are not delayed for the consumers side there is a delay but only for the datacenters. All the leak and news on Blackwell consumer gpu have indicated most like release next year Q1 or at the very best Q4 2024 for the high end. The delays for the Blackwell architecture was related to the datacentre package technology defect which only effect datacentre gpu does B200 not the consumer gpu B202 and lower.Thou mostly like Nintendo wouldn't used Blackwell architecture as gpu technology is the Nintendo switch as Nvidia would charge a premium on that technology the demand for their lastest technology is such a high demand for AI use.
@@CaptainRx-ss3rt exactly, a tegra k1 from 2014 used in 2017 was ok, but here you just double the perf, somewhere around a third of a ps4 of 2014... Dlss is gonna be ugly
@@alessandrooliveira3218 i understand, but imagine a Nintendo Switch 2 with a better cpu , or a cpu and a gpu from the 2024 . The posibilities are insane . And the game are going to be better .
Let's get real- If Nintendo doesn't pull out a console that starts to feel competitive with PS5 and Series X, possibly the Steam Deck; adult gamers are going to start leaving Nintendo behind! Its time for them to really hit a high bar Emulation is making Nintendo look like an absolute joke, and I anticipate that if quality products are not made that compete with the 9th generation with emulation or hardware by Nintendo, they will be left in the dust, by me, others, everyone who cares a bit more than just these few exclusives they carry. Zelda, Mario, Splatoon, Kirby, etc. Or we will simply put those games on an Odin 2 or 3, hell we'll probably even have it on an OLED, 3x resolution. Jesus Christ Nintendo. And quit suing, you're looking REALLY bad. Grab some of these geniuses who are out building and smarting you. Gamers are hating you who have even half a brain. You GOTTA do something different, might as well do it with some moral and ethical backbone.
Sounds like another one that doesn't watch the videos I've already done this year and years before lol. I've always agreed it would likely be an Nvidia chip, literally for years. There was (and is) absolutely nothing wrong with listing another chip possibility in conjunction with that, due to how the industry and tech moves, especially on the mobile side. The only laughable thing is people that think I was pushing purposely for something else, and only wanted to see one thing and cherry picked anything I said that wasn't the exact chip being rumored, when I've said many times now that I'd prefer an Nvidia chip since Nvidia is factually the best option, and hey, you never know with Nintendo, they may yet pull a fast one and swap out whatever they are using right now for something else. That's the fun part about making these videos and discussing it, backing it up always with real info to support the discussion and not being scared to explore other possibilities, regardless of what is being rumored.
@@SuperMetalDave64 You have been quite clear for a long time that Nvidia wasn't going to be used. It's also amusing that I mentioned backtracking and you immediately knew to what I was referring to even tho I didn't even mention the chipset so you must be self aware of it yourself. Which is quite insightful in itself.
Talk about a far reaching video! It's only a 'possibility' that Switch 2 will be more powerful then Steam Deck, but so what next year Steam Deck 2 will be released and it'll be magnitudes more powerful then Switch 2 and it'll still run games that will never come to. Nintendo, so why don't even care?
If you are aware of the current state of the hardware scene you would know strix point isn't going to be a performance gen jump for portable class apu's. It's keeping the same core counts and rdna3+ architecture until around 2028. Which means none of them will have any answer for switch 2's tensor cores and the massive amount of compute that comes with them, a d will be barely squeaking past in raster performance via screaming high battery destroying clocks. Which they don't have the compute power to use efficiently, like advanced meshlet compute cullers.
@@Nobody-sp7ug And you blatantly have NO idea how Nintendo works, it likes to make a profit on consoles from day one, that means cost cutting on parts. It'll be a next gen system yes but only in par with the PS4 at best. Thinking the Switch 2 will be anything more is just fanboy wet dream land..
@marksapollo You are 8 years too late for that rant. Nintendo doesn't make hardware. They Contracted Nvidia to make the hardware. This is literally the switch again but with ampere hardware instead of maxwell, and simply how far ahead Nvidia hardware is over amd right now. This is only one single gpc of ampere if you even know what that means. it's literally the smallest ampere Nvidia can make without charging nintendo an extra fortune just to make an exclusive crap arch of ampere just for nintendo. You aren't going to hurt yourself when this thing comes out are you?
@@Nobody-sp7ug And you still have no idea how Nintendo works. And by the way, they design the console, don’t cry in your chocolate milk when the Switch 2 doesn’t turn out to be the all conquering powerful system you ‘think’ it is, and the Steam Deck 2 totally supersedes it in power.
@marksapollo lmfao. Bruh, we already know the hardware, nvidia was ra som attacked. It's over guy. It's been over for years. 1536 fp32 + 1536 fp16 >>>>>>>>>> 512 fp32. Your desperate pleading isn't going to change that math.
@@Garrus-w2h you do realize that on a Playstation or XBOX you also pay 500+ for 3-4 year old hardware, right? Just that handheld systems are way more difficult to design. You never get "new" hardware on consoles, as that's not efficient in terms of money, you ALWAYS get the bare minimum at an affordable price, thats the whole point of a console...
@@Kiyuja No, that is not true, the Xbox Series X launched with Zen2 and RDNA2, the latest tech, it wasn't old at all... the PS5 even had the latest 7GB/s SSDs too. The Series X has a 52 CU GPU also, very high end and costs as much as the entire console price. There is no "bare minimum" when speaking of the PS5 and Xbox Series X.
@@kwadwobonnaaddo8313 I'd argue that the Switch sold so well because it was the first high end portable that Nintendo ever released. The NVidia GPU in the Switch 1 is 10-100x faster than the 3DS. The only problem is the poor memory configuration of the console, which was not designed for gaming workloads.
It will be more powerful than both, steam deck and ps4 ans that on portable mode. On dock mode it will be on the same ballpark as Series S. The leaks of this machine already show it.
Dont care how powerful it is. No zelda game for at least another 4 years, cant run emulators (there garbage sub service doesnt count) its a locked eco system and you can only play what they allow on the store. Yeah think ill keep my steamdeck thanks but no thanks, try again when zelda is out.
Who’s going to buy a switch 2 - I have the OLED switch - if the switch 2 does not have an OLED screen I’m not buying one - I play in handheld mode 99% of the time 🕰️
Hit the LIKE BUTTON if you enjoyed this Switch 2 Info video. Thanks for the big support guys, I really appreciate all of you. BTW yes I heard the new dev rumor today that they are saying we should not expect Switch 2 **before** April 2025, which still lines up with the release timing I and others already expected, a first half of 2025 launch of Switch 2 to start the new fiscal year (April 2025 is the start of a new FY) for Nintendo, so to be honest that’s not really much of a new rumor per say, just a more clear time range of an already close to expected release range (March). If the dev rumor said to not expect it before Holiday 2025, that would be different, but keep clear in mind: Nintendo has confirmed directly to everyone that Switch 2 will be revealed before the end of March 2025, so either way we have 6-7 months at the most before we see Switch 2 revealed, which is very exciting.
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Really looking forward to seeing what Nintendo’s first party games will look like. Prime 4 if it’s cross gen should run like a dream.
I wonder if the Metroid Prime 4 gameplay they showed is actually on Unreal Engine 5 or a form of it on about what it will look like on Switch. When they finally reveal the next Nintendo console that they will show Metroid Prime 4 again how it looked on Switch but then smoothly transition to what it will look like on the next console, with the enhancements it will almost certainly have regarding the up-scaling tech being shown off. That's my prediction.
Nowadays there are so many RUclips channels like this one - talking over 10 mins about nothing. Of course it's Nvidia chip, Nintendo already confirmed Switch 2 is compatible with Switch 1 games.
Just a tiny bit of info that you can say in a sentence - yet it's stretch to 15 mins of dribble.
@@johnserpo9267 yeah man , thumbnail clickbait and video way too long with no info
Also Nvidia and Nintendo have a contract for 20 years to use Nvidia chips on their consoles starting from the Switch
youtube's alg prioritizes length
SuperMetalDave64 is actually one of the small handful of Switch channels that doesn't game the algorithm with empty clickbait videos for the sake of ad revenue. If that were true, he'd be posting every day like Nintendo Prime's fake boring ass.
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When did they confirm that Switch 2 has backward compatibility? I don't recall them ever stating that explicitly.
Loool no way anyone thought Blackwell was even a possibility. Its nintendo. Theyre always looking to cut corners anywhere they can.
Welcome to the world of companies.
@@jackgreen05 yeah no. This is a product of targetting a budget price range, not "muhcapitalism".
how I wish some new company come out and compete against nintendo and dominate the console so they'd start doing things right. ohh wait didnt steam deck come on in like 2022? .. bruh
@@RiqMoran Since Wii and DS, Nintendo has not competed in having the most technical power. In addition, the Switch 2 will be a portable console with the possibility of being a desktop.
If you want an efficient + powerful console at $300 price, don't think you'll have thin handheld RTX 5060 console with a 20-hour battery, because it's simply not possible.
Also, Blackwell was delayed a few months, it would be extremely expensive to implement a Blackwell GPU on the Switch, I'd rather they implement one with Lovelace architecture since it has time on the market and has been polished a lot. (Also, cheaper to use than the very very new Blackwell).
@@jackgreen05 why are you telling me this lol
DLSS is a game changer, literally!
NVidia has a history of charging so much money companies have to go elsewhere. That's why there is no successive record of NVidia GPUs in the console market. Xbox (original) had a great NVidia GPU and was price competitive on launch, but the PS2 and Gamecube both had price cuts that severely undercut the Xbox price just a year later. Microsoft couldn't lower their price, they already lost BILLIONS on the cost of manufacturing the first Xbox. Xbox 360 went AMD and it was faster and cheaper than the NVidia GPU in the PS3 despite launching a year earlier. Nintendo probably went with NVidia as nobody offered a more competitive price and backwards compatibility was a focus. The only possible alternative was a Samsung chip as they were the only lower priced option open (or possibly Mediatek). /// I'd like to mention that the Switch is the first Nintendo console without price drops, and Nintendo might have pricing issues with the Switch 2. If the Switch 2 is $300 people will be happy, but will people run out to buy a $400 product? Only the USD is strong, a $400 USD Switch 2 would be extremely expensive in Japan and Europe and Canada.
Switch went with Nvidia because Nvidia was desperate to recover the cost of the X1 chip
That's exactly what it's gonna cost
@@luckyrockmore2796 The Switch OLED plus game and controller is already more expensive than the PS5 with the same. The Switch 2 at $400 USD would be even worse value.
the switch is horrible value for money, crazy overpriced,
say what you want about MS but the Series S has been the best value for money in gaming in a long time@@Garrus-w2h
@@jarde1989 and now they need to stay for backwards compatibility, but cost might be an issue, which might be why they plan on using a 5 years old Ampere arch in 2025
It was confirmed nvidia back in 2022 when Lapsu$ performed a ransom attack on Nvidia, releasing over a TB of Nvidia internal work server data.
The Gimle Board and it's SOC T239, and it's gpu GA10F, with GA=Ampere, were found in files for a graphics API titled NVN2. Which stands for NVidia Nintendo.
There has been 0 mystery. Everyone who actually knows anything, has known for years.
GA10F is going to demolish the steamdeck though. Its 6x the size in alu count between the cuda cores and the tensor cores (1536 fp32 raster + 1536 fp16 up to 8x hardware acceleration compute) vs steamdecks 512 fp32, with no dedicated compute logic. And steamdeck is clocked super low for an rdna gpu. Like usually amd gpu's are clocked like a ghz higher than Nvidia GPU's, like the rog ally extreme has it right, but steamdeck.... woof.
Switch 2 is going to beat steamdeck while sipping power in portable, and its going to beat the brakes off steamdecks top clocks in docked mode.
@@Nobody-sp7ug a lot of it depends on what manufacturing node it's going to be on I think. Looks likely Samsung 6nm which is around 25% denser and 20% more power efficient and 15% higher clocks than 8nm from what I've read.
@Loundsify we know the dimensions of the tablet case from the shipping manifests. It's smaller than the steamdeck but has a gpu with 6x the alu's. That tells us everything relevant we need to know about the lithography.
@@Nobody-sp7ugbut it's performance all depends on what clocks it's set to in portable. I'm sure in docked it'll make the SD look silly but remember in portable the SD is targeting 800p Vs 1080p for the Switch and although DLSS will be able to claw some of that performance back it's not some magic bullet tool that gives 2x performance for free, on average it's 50% performance boost. I have a feeling the portable clocks for the switch 2 will be very conservative. I do also expect that backwards compatibility will mean Switch 1 docked performance in Switch 2 portable mode.
@Loundsify The switch 2 has 6x the alu's as steamdeck. 1536 fp32, and 1536 fp16 (organized into 48 tensor cores, 32 fp16 per core).
Dlss is not free, it literally dedicates a massive amount of its die space to the hardware required to run it and other compute intense applications that can benefit from 8x hardware accelerated tensor ops (matrix operations). If that die space wasnt spent on tensor cores and instead had an amd style only raster design, the switch 2 would have 2304 fp32 shaders instead of 1536. The steamdeck only has 512. The switch 2 can clock 3x lower than the steamdeck and match its raster peak theoretical while sipping power. (And absolutely destroying it in ability to actually get close to said peak theoretical, with more schedulers, and more active warps with 576 48 32 thread active warps per sm vs steamdecks 256 32 32 thread warps per cu.) Switch 2 only needs to clock at 530 mhz to match steamdecks peak theoretical of 1.6 tflops from clocking at 1.6 ghz. And that's not counting the 13 Tflops fp16 or 26 Tops int8 that would be coming from the tensor cores, the dedicated hardware taking up a huge amount of space in each sm partition thats providing the massive amount of compute for powering the "free" dlss.
Switch has 3 portable profiles, 40%, 50%, and 60% of docked. There is no reason and it is not realistic to think switch 2 won't do the same. 500 mhz is around the lowest ampere can clock before it stops gaining watt per flop efficiency, ie you stop saving battery power and heat by lowering clock speed (Iirc 480 mhz is the actual lowest possible before crashing, as stated in the orin jetson nano documentation) 530mhz would match steamdecks peak theoretical 1.6 tflops fp32 from 1.6ghz.
Here's a hypothetical profile set since matching steamdeck is almost as low as its possible for ga10f to go:
40%=0.524 ghz, 1.6 Tflops. (Matches deck)
50%=0.655 ghz, 2 Tflops.
60%=0.786 Ghz (This is almost exactly the switches docked clock) 2.4 Tflops
Docked = 1.31 Ghz, 4 Tflops.
Here's a second hypothetical using the lowest allowed power draw/clocks from the orin jetson nano:
40%=0.48 Ghz, 1.4 Tflops
50%=0.6 Ghz, 1.8 Tflops, steamdeck beat.
60% = 0.72 ghz 2.2 tflops
Docked=1.2 Ghz, 3.68 Tflops.
Great video! I didn’t realize nvidia can use different upscalers together… very cool
We knew it was going to be an Nvidia custom GPU, they worked alongside of Nintendo and had an exclusivity deal for at least a decade.
there is no exclusivity deal...
@@Garrus-w2h Yes there was, there were articles about like 6 or 7 years ago.
@@Jokerwolf666 yeah and all the correct articles pointed out that there was no exclusivity contract. All he did was talking about how he hopes to sell for 10 years go look it up of course there’s no exclusivity contract. Why would Nintendo sign one?
@@Garrus-w2h Well I don't see any new nvidia devices that are not a Nintendo Switch.
Your analysis of the possible graphics performance of the Switch 2 is pretty good but you didn't touch on the CPU performance at all aside from throwing a jab at the Steam Deck's CPU while not showing any comparisons with what we think we know about the ARM based CPU that's going to be in the Switch 2. Realistically speaking, if the CPU is the same that's shown in the T239 chip then it would likely be weaker overall than the Steam Deck's CPU in pretty much all single-threaded operations but could also come close in multi-threaded tasks. So unless this aspect of the chip is upgraded in some way over what's been shown then the Switch 2 will likely struggle to hit 60FPS in games where the Xbox Series S can despite being able to possibly exceed it at times visually while docked due to a more advanced GPU/DLSS and more RAM.
The standard a78, which is weaker and less efficient than the A78c in the switch 2, has been benched beating the 3.5ghz steamdeck zen2 in geekbench 5 single threaded performance, at around 1.5 watts draw for the core, with 2 watts being 3 GHz.
His gpu analysis only makes sense when we're talking about raytracing, the RX 6600 is over 20% faster than an RTX 3050 in non ray traced games for example, despite the 6600 having 30% less cores
@arknein3159 lol, thats because it's clocked 50% higher. It also gets completely wasted once dlss enters the picture. And clock for clock it gets curb stomped.
@@Nobody-sp7ug 50% faster? I don't think you did the right math at all, the 6600 has a boost clock of around 2500 (rounded up) and the rtx 3050 has a boost clock of 1800 (rounded up) and thats a clock increase of 38%, meanwhile the 3050 has 42% more cores and the 6600 is around 29% faster in non RT(watch?v=iTrlJ-jsDRY) so if we're counting just how fast the cores are, RDNA2 is faster no matter how you slice it, sure if you add DLSS the 3050 wins, but thats not what we're talking about are we? Core for Core rdna2 is faster
@@Nobody-sp7ug We could also just use the 6700XT, same numbers of cores as the 3050 (2560), sure it's clocked 40% higher than the 3050, however its 80% faster in non RT games
Nintendo is not going with a custom Ada chipset. It would be too expensive for their taste. It’s a custom Ampere architecture GPU on a new node process.
It's been discussed ad nauseum that Switch 2's GPU will be an Amphere/Lovelace hybrid, with DLSS 3 being necessary for the scaling performance required by Nintendo. I'm assuming 90% Amphere with a 10% "sprinkle" of Lovelace. Nintendo is obsessed with low cost, which is why there's no OLED display, yet.
Thank you uncle
Isn't this what was exactly stated in the video? I don't remember Lovelace being mentioned as the base hardware in the video.
in other words OLD ouDATED sht!
Wrong it is custom. It has been stated many times.
Using 2 upscalers at the same time increases latency way too much. I believe the switch 2 dev kits will only use dlss, and it will use it constantly to boost frames and prolong battery life. It will be marginally better than steam deck only if the cpu is better. Docked is the only way it'll surpass that power.
CPU will be slightly weaker but will have more cores than steamdeck.
If they're working with Nvidia, then they got a good enough deal in terms of pricing. If Nvidia offered something overpriced to Nintendo which is easy to do then no Nvidia.
Nvidia have a history of charging to much.
3:12 Wii U was still on IBM Power PC
That was only for the CPU. The GPU was AMD
The CPU was a Tri-Core PowerPC 750. The GPGPU was a customized ATI Radeon HD 6670.
dumb Zodryn. wii u had an AMD GPU. dumb Zodryn
@@D2Kprime That Wii U GPU was more closely related to that of a HD 4650 judging by the specs and the lack of DX11 shader compatibility
i really hope when nintendo is out of ideas they go back to remake some handhelds but do it better
Gonna be disappointed if it comes with 8gb of memory, split for 2gb system and 6gb for graphics.
We see devs reluctancy working on the XSS (10gb ram), six- eight years on 8gb isn't gonna be great. We'll run into the same issues we had half way through the switch 1's life cycle.
Shipping data is showing that Switch 2 will be 12GB unified memory - Less than Steam Deck's 16GB but more than Xbox Series S' 10GB.
...And it also uses faster memory than what Steam Deck uses.
What @mitchtellars said, exactly. We've already seen BOMs showing what amounts to 12GB of fast LPDDR5 running at 7500 MT/sec for Switch 2 and they're already in production.
It's already shipping for manufacture with 2x6x64 7500 mts lpddr5x. That's 12 GB 128 bit bus with 120 GB/s bandwidth.
All good news. Thank you guys
The way nintendo selects chips, theyve always chosen 1-2 generations behind for the cheaper price, switch 2 is most likely going to be ampere since it launched a bit ago but I wouldnt be surprised if its turing for cost but scaled up cores on the newer process.
No way they go with Turing as that's already discontinued by Nvidia. Even the RTX 2050 laptop GPU, which can be found in $400 gaming laptops, uses Ampere.
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@@SuperMetalDave64 Doing just great. I especially love this clip. I'm looking forward to Nintendo and NVIDIA's Switch sucessor later this year (at the earliest).
@@TonyKanameKuran Yeah we'll be seeing it within 6-7 months confirmed by Nintendo, regardless of the final release date. :)
@@SuperMetalDave64 and you need to keep spewing BS and getting things wrong, like the whole GPU thing.
Nvidia upscalling and frame generation is top tier and leages ahead everybody else . Those two technologies on a handheld screen is going to look so damn crisp and run like butter . Next gen switch games are going to look real nice
Honestly feeling like it's going to be Ampere
I thought that with the switch, they were going to really decrease the power in handheld mode and have it pretty powerful docked bc power supply and cooling.
I was wrong but maybe this time around there will be a bigger difference between docked and portable.
There are new rumors that Nintendo's gimmick for Switch 2 will be dual screen support by wirelessly sending video to dock. The Switch 2's screen can be used as a second screen ala Wii U for titles that make use of multiple screens. It sounds entirely feasible and would explain the need for a fan in dock.
@ToeCutter0 let's hope not, figured they would have abandoned that altogether after wii U.
Maybe they won't use graphic intensive applications for it. Just user interface stuff, maps, inventory, etc.
@@ToeCutter0 it makes no sense to need a fan for a wireless video receiver nor does it make sense to have hardware in the dock that will double the price and make game development so complex it wouldn’t even be worth developing for.
A huge difference in docked performance may be a nice option for cross platform development, but the main goal for Nintendo is probably something like 60fps 1080-4k mario docked and 720 handheld with all other graphics settings the same. Making the experiences more similar saves development cost and time, makes the experiences more consistent for players.
@@Supersctar Well, perhaps not to you, but others who integrate hardware suggest otherwise.
Knowing Nintendo I wouldn’t be surprised if they would go for Pascal.
Isn't this new hiring a bit too late in development for the next console though?
@@BrunoAmaral2 I think this is for software development
Nsight is mostly used to find bugs or performance data. This likely has nothing to do with the console or its operating system, its very likely for some internal game or tool they develope...
I'm fine with Switch 2 release in holiday 2025. Nintendo & Nvidia must be upgrading the T239 SOC that finalised at the end of 2022 to a more power efficient T400 something I think. Maybe shockingly using Ada Lovelace architecture, not Ampere architecture. I think they upgrade T239 to a more power efficient SOC, that's the delay, not because of software only
@@jahnotreal makes sense
@@Kiyuja thanks, that makes sense
Nintendo historically downclock their hardware. I would suggest that portable mode is inferior to Steam Deck and docked mode will be superior to a degree. Keep your expectations in check.
I mean regardless of how good the battery was I still played with the plugged in they need to focus on the power also being up to damn near docking levels when it's plugged in
Amazing video! I like that your video is unbiased and not clickbait, which is very hard to find for rumour videos
Are you forgetting Amd ai 370 strix and soon to be strix point! The current one has 16 cu’s! Strix point will have 40 cu’s! It only uses 25 watts at max
They are not gonna pay more money for a 4nm. They gonna take the cheaper 8nm or 7nm and run the clocks low on handheld mode.
dlss 540p is really good , even on a 1440p display
tried it myself .... i can't go back down to fsr
sorry but fsr sucks when base resolution for upscaling is below 1080p , at least dlss 540p produces decents results
Finally, a sensible Switch 2 video, thanks Dave :)
You didn't mention the clock speeds for switch 2 and stean deck. The core count isn't everything. Not saying Switch 2 won't be faster than Steam Deck tho.
Performance per watt and performance per dollar are far better from AMD than nVidia, at least in the x86 world. Switch 2 will likely stick with an ARM processor, so I've no idea what GPU it would use.
I'd like to see a switch 2 with maybe 8 rdna2 CUs and usb-c video output standard. An optional dock could provide 8 more CUs for 4k 60 when docked.
Ampere is only stronger per unit than rdna 2 if we're talking about ray tracing and fp32, but for gaming without raytracing rdna2 is stronger, and the proof is on the rx 6600 vs rtx 3050:
The 6600 has 1792 cores and the 3050 has 2560 and yet, the 6600 is over 20% faster than a 3050 in non ray traced games
Will the new dock be able to load multiple cartridges? For tv play.
There was an Nvidia employee who confirmed the T239 chip, saying the hardware was already fully set back in 2022, and that Nvidia had already moved him on to other projects because of that.
I can't remember the channel that went over all that, but he said it was modified a bit with "goodies" specific to Nintendo's preferences for the console.
It'll probably be pretty low-powered, but I'm hoping the recent rumors about the dock coming with a fan & 60w charger will make it so Nintendo doesn’t down-clock the device like they did with Tegra X1
Apparently the word Muji means "no brand quality goods" which makes me wonder why they chose that name.
Oh boy $ 80 for a game $ 100 for exclusive with SBI values.
SMD, can you please name the intro music? really wanna listen to it. Thanks.
Nvidia tflops do not correlate with real performance; for example, an Nvidia Ampere gpu rated at 2 TFLOPS is actually equivalent to 1.44 TFLOPS because 1/2 of the Cuda core can do integer and tflop, so you only get 1/2 of the FP32 performance, and modern game scientific calculations need integer the most for GPU-driven rendering, so Nvidia wanted to shift those operations to AI instead, which is why it doesn't use more die space. Also, 1/3 of an SM has an AI core; I expect them to use 8 SM with the AI cores deactivated and 4 other SM with the compute ones deactivated for AI. I already calculated it, the device will sip 25w docked and 13w unlocked, the 4sm are used for ai upscaling, but I doubt there will be any RT cores because the original chip was an ai workstation chip. You might be wondering why they're separated; that's because they're not part of the same pipeline, and if they left them next to each other, they would compete for bandwidth and decrease occupancy because even in a desktop gpu, when compute tasks are running, AI tasks are run on another separate sm. Also, NVIDIA Ampere has an issue when it comes to F32 Exponential 2, FP32 Reciprocal, FP32 Reciprocal Square Root, and FP32 Sine, which are all instructions needed for the open world, and they only have half the performance compared to AMD, which is the reason why Ampere suffers from stuttering when the world gets too big, which people mostly think is a vram problem, but they dominate in AI and RT, which is probably the solution they chose to their problems.
It's been demo'd running the matrix awakens demo last year with RT enabled, with reactions saying the effects were similar to PS5 at a lower resolution. So yes it has RT cores lol. Also will be on 6nm at Samsung 😊
@@Loundsify There might be a chance that they'll be inside of the other 4sm because remember these 4sm might be the only new things that are added to the existing die which me be 4 RT cores, you might be asking why not add 12 RT cores, the problem is power usage, these RT cores don't come free of cost, they're litterally double in size compared to AMD but 2x times more powerfull because they also do bvh traversal and require a lot of bandwith. Samsung 6nm might be possible to save a lot of power, also using LPDDR5x and clocking it down to 102 GB/s might also be a good decision for power comsumption. AMD didn't have any power comsumption problems because of the infinity cache present on desktop, steam deck, and rog ally which is why they can use the full clock speed of LPDDR5.
@@aviatedviewssound4798 I think Nintendo's biggest concern is providing that 3-5hr battery life. The Steamdeck is lucky to get 2hrs.
@@Loundsify They'll be able to but at the cost of some performance loss that they could recouperate by using DLSS, also let's not forget that they'll use LPDDR5x not because of the performance but the efficiency so they could downclock it, the steam deck is lucky to get this efficiency gain because it has 8MB of infinity cache that acts like fast memory.
Are you serious? Blackwell is a data center chip. Whatever.
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Switch 2 revealed I cannot wait! At all!! DLSS is going to be soo dope!! GREAT VIDEO!
Lets go. It's time for another masterpiece of a video.
Nintendo has been making underpowered consoles for two decades now, and you can trace their philosophy back to the Game Boy. Back in the day the Deck was impressive, now it's a low bar and expecting Nintendo to clear it by any more than a few inches is a pipe dream. They will optimize the games to punch above their weight though.
@@ktvx.94 The Game Boy had good hardware for the time...
Nintendo have 2 underpowered consoles: Wii and Wii U. Switch is a top technology for a hybrid back in 2017. There are no other tablet or smartphone stronger than switch on march 2017. And Switch 2 will be a lot stronger than Steam Deck. Don't forgot that Switch 2 can run the Matrix Awakens demo and Steam deck can't.
switch hardware was pretty top tier for a mobile device, even the cpu and the ram which are considered its weakest side by far were pretty spot on in early 2017, when most phones didn't have more than 4gb of ram, it had a really good gpu for a mobile device, even for modern standard it still has some things to say (its been almost 8 years the console itself released, it was going to be surpassed at some point)
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I am sorry Nintendo has good competition for what they going to sell this the steam deck and i doubt they will outperform the deck plus steam store always has good sales that Nintendo will never match
Many thanks Dave, great cast as usual! This absolutely makes sure for Nintendo to stay tied with NVIDIA as they had a very fruitful collaboration and on top of this, NVIDIA is an amazing chips manufacturer ahead of its times!
Think they are working on a Prime 5 as a switch 2 exclusive?
I'm curious how long the battery life for it
Lets be honest, I think Ada and above as architecture is just wishful thinking. While it would be nice to see the significant efficiency gains from lovelace in a mobile chip, I imagine Nvidia would also demand top dollar for this and I cant imagine Nintendo reaching that deep into the pockets. I think it will be custom, mostly Ampere with some stuff retro fitted, like Shader Reordering, a decomp block and maybe beefier ML. I expect 6-8nm process with some aces up Nintendos sleeve, but I happily be proven wrong
Is amd stepping in to help with the upscaler technology like they for totk? lol.
SMD?
Honestly, I just want better graphics. And Metroid Prime 4.
I liked the video because i hate odd numbers
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retro old school p@rn intro music 10/10, please ever change
I’m looking forward to switch 2, but I’m gonna stick to switch 1 until they release a lite version of switch 2
Nice, whatever suits ya. Waiting a year or two isn’t bad thing as you’ll already have a selection of new titles to play.
I think DLSS is better than FSR (but not by a huge amount), however Sony will be using a new version of FSR for their Pro machine, and Nintendo could have done the same thing with RDNA4 but they would have had to delay their launch to late 2025 at the earliest.
DLSS is a lot better. Especially in motion. Sony is gonna use AI with their RNDA4 GPU. They will have a worse version of DLSS.
AMD competed hard with nVidia, but lost because Nintendo was reluctant to leave nVidia's NV API for programming. Nintendo devs have thousands of hours worth of experience using NV, so iterating it to V2 and learning new features was far easier than moving to a brand new API for AMD. Sources say AMD Soundwave performed well and met the cost requirement for Nintendo, but nVidia still won due to NV2 being far easier for programmers to leverage quickly. Considering how long modern games take to develop this makes quite a bit of sense.
Dlss is better by a pretty large margin actually, you can see it especially in motion.
@@ZackSNetworkPSSR will be decent.
@@ToeCutter0probably more about backwards compatibility being a major thing for Nintendo was their reasoning to sticking with Nvidia more than anything.
Rumor….rumor….rumor 🙄
with the entrance of giant pc players like asus, Lenovo and msi plus the king valve, nintendo must be really careful. if nintendo able to create a very great differentiation then it will succeed
None of those PC handhelds are going to threaten or outsell Nintendo. They do not have the household recognizability nor are they sold in the best places where families would consider them. I own PC handhelds and I know none of them threaten Nintendo in the slightest. Nintendo also will sell at a price lower than all of them and might match the price of the base Steam Deck LCD
Nice video! :)
I'm fine with Switch 2 release in holiday 2025. Nintendo & Nvidia must be upgrading the T239 SOC that finalised at the end of 2022 to a more power efficient T400 something I think. Maybe shockingly using Ada Lovelace architecture, not Ampere architecture. I think they upgrade T239 to a more power efficient SOC, that's the delay, not because of software only
Evidently you don’t watch Nintendo forecast
There are no technical delays. Switch 2 components are already being massed produced. Switch 2 announcement will likely end Switch sales and Nintendo is in no hurry. I'm thinking an September reveal to coincide with hype surrounding LOZ: Echoes of Wisdom, a game no one saw coming. Nintendo can showcase a brand new title while also announcing a price cut for Switch during Christmas 2024, with a Feb/March launch date for Switch 2.
@@ToeCutter0 FYI, Switch's Tegra X1 finalised at the end of 2014 & released in early 2017 (2+ years). Same with the Switch 2's Tegra T239 finalised at the end of 2022 & will be releasing in early 2025 (also 2+ years). But if Nintendo make another SOC for holiday 2025 release also I'm ok with it. Also I'm Famiborads fans
Nah. The Switch 2 will be lucky to reach Xbox 1s performance. That's just how Nintendo is. They are always way behind on power. If I'm right, I'll wait a few years before buying it. I always get Nintendo consoles but the Switch was the first time I went out and got it on day one. I don't need to do that anymore. It's not worth it.
breath of the wild was VERY blurry on the Wii U, so a lot of people bought the Switch for the resolution bump, i'm pretty sure nintendo will lean hard in to the same marketing, same games, but high resolution for the first few years
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U say amd is always a year behind nvidia in power, but then say a nvidia chip from 2019 will be great for switch2. Make it make sense it's going to be 2025 when it comes out, and Steam deck 2 will be getting ready , Also nvidia is not a year ahead on low power chips it's why amd still dominates in handhelds, but keep on letting Nintendo get away with using decade old stuff, hey will u also be happy getting the same decade old LCD again, and people wounder why doesnt Nintendo use new gen tech well why try when they get praise either way , Also forgot u keep comparing steam deck to switch 2 ,does that 2019 chip have frame Gen? Because if it doesn't, it's going to be so funny to watch 3rd party games on the old steam deck out, perform the new switch 2 after all that talking about power. im just wondering do u own an xbox ?😂
Sorry folks, but nVidia confirmed long ago that Switch 2's GPU is based upon Amphere with some Lovelace features. It will not include any features from Blackwell, period. Switch 2 hardware was completed nearly 2 years ago as it was originally planned to power the never-released Switch Pro. Switch was selling incredibly well despite its age and Nintendo essentially repurposed Switch Pro to become Switch 2.
To be clear, nVidia was working to release Lovelace-based AI accelerators and consumer GPU products during Nintendo's discussions with nVidia and AMD for Switch 2. Blackwell was in early design phase at the time the nVidia Tegra 239 SOC was finalized and accepted by Nintendo for manufacturing on Samsung's 7nm fab. Compute & graphics for Switch 2 are probaly the best understood of any impending system because its been in development (and leaking info) for just over 2 years now. Those who aren't familiar with recent leaks should expect Switch 2 to perform similar to PS4, as T239 is capable of around 4-4.5 TFLOPS of performance, almost exactly that of PS4.
Switch 2 should easily outperform SteamDeck, considering its rumored to utilize a 1080p display vs SD's 800p display. Switch 2 will also include UFS 3.1 flash storage, capable of over 2GB/sec transfers, or about 7X faster than Switch.
All of these hardware improvements will provide for an incredibly fast handheld despite the age of the tech. nVidia's NV API (used by game devs to program Switch 2 titles) has been incremented to NV2 and allows for much efficient code vs SteamOS or even Windows, like any other game console.
Fans of the original Switch should be incredibly pleased with what Nintendo will announce. Switch 2 is rumored to cost $449 in US which is remarkable considering recent inflation numbers in US. The ability to run original Switch titles with full support for NSO digital games without emulation or translation is a HUGE advantage for Nintendo and a brand new approach for Japan's most successful video game and game console company. I for one think it will be worth the wait.
Where did you find any info about T239 Node? it's a thing that no one know right now. It can be 8nm like old ampere or 4nm like current Love Lace, other numbers a lot improbably. Plus switch 2 will not be old tech. The T239 was taped on second half of 2022, 2 years ago, but from taped to release is very common to take 2 years. Search for when XBOX Series was taped and you will see it was 2 years before it release.
It was never pinned to power the switch pro lmfao, it's gpu is not even native compatable with switch 1. There was never a switch pro.
Wait is too long. Lost interest in switch 2.
The chip of this generation will be less of a problem in the long run since they can release a pro doc mid generation and it will be cheaper for people than just buying the whole system.
Btw I know it not too related to the switch Soc but Blackwell gpu are not delayed for the consumers side there is a delay but only for the datacenters. All the leak and news on Blackwell consumer gpu have indicated most like release next year Q1 or at the very best Q4 2024 for the high end. The delays for the Blackwell architecture was related to the datacentre package technology defect which only effect datacentre gpu does B200 not the consumer gpu B202 and lower.Thou mostly like Nintendo wouldn't used Blackwell architecture as gpu technology is the Nintendo switch as Nvidia would charge a premium on that technology the demand for their lastest technology is such a high demand for AI use.
My 3 years old budget phone is stronger than switch 2 ...
Maybe because the switch is almost 8 years old ?
@@CaptainRx-ss3rt exactly, a tegra k1 from 2014 used in 2017 was ok, but here you just double the perf, somewhere around a third of a ps4 of 2014... Dlss is gonna be ugly
Great content! I hope you are right.
It was shite. Do yourself a favour and Google famiboards switch 2 news and have a read on their forums. More informative than this speculation.
I dont understant the hype.of a system that is going to be obselete on day 1 .
Exclusive Nintendo games with current gen tech. Need say any more?
Handhelds aren't designed to be super powerful nor can they be thanks to thermal and power constraints
@@alessandrooliveira3218 i understand, but imagine a Nintendo Switch 2 with a better cpu , or a cpu and a gpu from the 2024 . The posibilities are insane . And the game are going to be better .
@@kelvinperez8845 dude, not even ps5 pro will use 2024 tech. That would make it as expansive as a top PC gpu.
@@kelvinperez8845 Cope harder kid 😂
Its Nintendo c'mon it will be weaker than steam deck no chance it will be more powerful
Search for all the trustworthy leaks and you will see it stronger. Remember that Matrix Awakens runs on switch 2 but not on Steam Deck
Let's get real- If Nintendo doesn't pull out a console that starts to feel competitive with PS5 and Series X, possibly the Steam Deck; adult gamers are going to start leaving Nintendo behind! Its time for them to really hit a high bar
Emulation is making Nintendo look like an absolute joke, and I anticipate that if quality products are not made that compete with the 9th generation with emulation or hardware by Nintendo, they will be left in the dust, by me, others, everyone who cares a bit more than just these few exclusives they carry. Zelda, Mario, Splatoon, Kirby, etc. Or we will simply put those games on an Odin 2 or 3, hell we'll probably even have it on an OLED, 3x resolution. Jesus Christ Nintendo. And quit suing, you're looking REALLY bad. Grab some of these geniuses who are out building and smarting you. Gamers are hating you who have even half a brain. You GOTTA do something different, might as well do it with some moral and ethical backbone.
There is no switch 2 bro !!!!
This is a video of backtracking on a laughable scale.
Sounds like another one that doesn't watch the videos I've already done this year and years before lol. I've always agreed it would likely be an Nvidia chip, literally for years. There was (and is) absolutely nothing wrong with listing another chip possibility in conjunction with that, due to how the industry and tech moves, especially on the mobile side. The only laughable thing is people that think I was pushing purposely for something else, and only wanted to see one thing and cherry picked anything I said that wasn't the exact chip being rumored, when I've said many times now that I'd prefer an Nvidia chip since Nvidia is factually the best option, and hey, you never know with Nintendo, they may yet pull a fast one and swap out whatever they are using right now for something else. That's the fun part about making these videos and discussing it, backing it up always with real info to support the discussion and not being scared to explore other possibilities, regardless of what is being rumored.
@@SuperMetalDave64 You have been quite clear for a long time that Nvidia wasn't going to be used. It's also amusing that I mentioned backtracking and you immediately knew to what I was referring to even tho I didn't even mention the chipset so you must be self aware of it yourself. Which is quite insightful in itself.
Talk about a far reaching video! It's only a 'possibility' that Switch 2 will be more powerful then Steam Deck, but so what next year Steam Deck 2 will be released and it'll be magnitudes more powerful then Switch 2 and it'll still run games that will never come to. Nintendo, so why don't even care?
If you are aware of the current state of the hardware scene you would know strix point isn't going to be a performance gen jump for portable class apu's. It's keeping the same core counts and rdna3+ architecture until around 2028.
Which means none of them will have any answer for switch 2's tensor cores and the massive amount of compute that comes with them, a d will be barely squeaking past in raster performance via screaming high battery destroying clocks.
Which they don't have the compute power to use efficiently, like advanced meshlet compute cullers.
@@Nobody-sp7ug And you blatantly have NO idea how Nintendo works, it likes to make a profit on consoles from day one, that means cost cutting on parts. It'll be a next gen system yes but only in par with the PS4 at best. Thinking the Switch 2 will be anything more is just fanboy wet dream land..
@marksapollo You are 8 years too late for that rant. Nintendo doesn't make hardware. They Contracted Nvidia to make the hardware. This is literally the switch again but with ampere hardware instead of maxwell, and simply how far ahead Nvidia hardware is over amd right now. This is only one single gpc of ampere if you even know what that means. it's literally the smallest ampere Nvidia can make without charging nintendo an extra fortune just to make an exclusive crap arch of ampere just for nintendo.
You aren't going to hurt yourself when this thing comes out are you?
@@Nobody-sp7ug And you still have no idea how Nintendo works. And by the way, they design the console, don’t cry in your chocolate milk when the Switch 2 doesn’t turn out to be the all conquering powerful system you ‘think’ it is, and the Steam Deck 2 totally supersedes it in power.
@marksapollo lmfao. Bruh, we already know the hardware, nvidia was ra som attacked. It's over guy. It's been over for years. 1536 fp32 + 1536 fp16 >>>>>>>>>> 512 fp32.
Your desperate pleading isn't going to change that math.
Sounds disappointing
well if they keep the price down to $300 it will be fine, but $400 is too much for a 4 year old chip imo
@Garrus-w2h people arn't gonna buy a console for its chip set. If they can put up high-quality games, it will sell.
@@Garrus-w2h you do realize that on a Playstation or XBOX you also pay 500+ for 3-4 year old hardware, right? Just that handheld systems are way more difficult to design. You never get "new" hardware on consoles, as that's not efficient in terms of money, you ALWAYS get the bare minimum at an affordable price, thats the whole point of a console...
@@Kiyuja No, that is not true, the Xbox Series X launched with Zen2 and RDNA2, the latest tech, it wasn't old at all... the PS5 even had the latest 7GB/s SSDs too. The Series X has a 52 CU GPU also, very high end and costs as much as the entire console price. There is no "bare minimum" when speaking of the PS5 and Xbox Series X.
@@kwadwobonnaaddo8313 I'd argue that the Switch sold so well because it was the first high end portable that Nintendo ever released. The NVidia GPU in the Switch 1 is 10-100x faster than the 3DS. The only problem is the poor memory configuration of the console, which was not designed for gaming workloads.
Lol no. This is outrageously optimistic. Switch 2 will be no more powerful than a ps4. This sounds like the next steam deck.
?? why is this so unbelievable lmao… this makes plenty sense
It will be more powerful than both, steam deck and ps4 ans that on portable mode. On dock mode it will be on the same ballpark as Series S. The leaks of this machine already show it.
You have a creepy sounding voice.
Dont care how powerful it is. No zelda game for at least another 4 years, cant run emulators (there garbage sub service doesnt count) its a locked eco system and you can only play what they allow on the store. Yeah think ill keep my steamdeck thanks but no thanks, try again when zelda is out.
Who’s going to buy a switch 2 - I have the OLED switch - if the switch 2 does not have an OLED screen I’m not buying one - I play in handheld mode 99% of the time 🕰️
Let it cost $400, woopdeedo, Nintendo here..❤