Other parties have driven people to that direction by not changing their policies when peoples minds have changed. What alternative people have? They are not interested about political ideologies, they want Germany to be the country that they remember it was 15-20 years ago.
no it is not, but parts of the AfD, especially in Thuringia are not reasonable. These people shouldn't get any power. But it is also true, that the mainstream parties don't give any alternative. Anmd now it is very late and the question is if they are to be trusted to carry it through.
I was amused by Katja Hoyer's remarks. Her comments tell she's very much a member of the academic/political elite who always promote the imagined benefits of the so-called "political center." In fact, the political center is an illusion. It doesn't exist. It is and always has been left of the actual center.
I recon 95% are what keeps being called far right, it’s being used incorrectly, we are all patriotic and conservative but terms like this attempt to silence us
They're using the phrase "far right" because they're trying to compare this to the situation in the 1920s and 1930s, but can't call them "fascist" because they know these are not literally fascist parties.
sorry. but the views expressed consistently by these so called 'patriots' are in line with nazism and far-right ideology. its all based around stopping immigration when the uk needs more people not less. the same applies to deutschland. capitalism requires continous population growth and most european countries have had drops in offspring coming from people residing in those areas. this is down to blatent prejudices,xenophobia and islamiphobia from those being rightly labelled far-right. . Ever studied macro-economics or fiscal policy studies? Clearly NOT!- The UK needs more people to address the negative displacement ratio created by falling birth rates and increased OAP population.Refugees aid the economy and those idiots who voted Brexit worsened the situation. More housing and more infra-structure needs to be built that will also boost the economy-only 10percent of UK land is currently used for Housing. Theres as much Land used for golf courses s there is for Housing in the UK-so why arent the people supposedly opposed to immigration on grounds of this ‘country being full’ attacking golf courses and demanding more Housing be built on that Land>?
@@mobob75 The terms "right-wing" and "far-right" both describe positions on the political spectrum, but they differ in their extremity. Right-wing generally refers to traditional conservative values and market-oriented policies, while far-right includes more extreme views like nationalism and authoritarianism. Similarly, left-wing involves progressive social and economic policies, while far-left advocates for radical changes like socialism or communism. The Reform Party and UKIP are often seen as right-wing due to their stances on issues like immigration and EU scepticism. UKIP, in particular, has sometimes been associated with more extreme right-wing views but is not typically classified as far-right. There's often discomfort on the right with being labelled as "far-right" due to its extreme connotations, while the left tends to embrace their labels more openly. This discomfort can stem from wanting to avoid the negative associations linked with more radical or extremist views. Being a moderate Tory, you might be comfortable with terms like "Tory" and "moderate" because they reflect a more balanced, mainstream perspective, whereas more extreme labels can carry unwanted stigma.
@@AkerfeldtTveitan-yi4xm Europeans are not racists. We don't want anything bad to happen to the immigrants, we just don't want our countries to lose traditions, values, safety and so on. It's simple. Immigrants are not all the same. Where they come from matters the most.
@@geopol3105 "We don't want anything bad to happen to migrants, we just want to exclude some groups of people from coming just based on where they're from. But we're not racists I swear!"
Contemporary definitions now include neo-fascism, neo-Nazism, the Third Position, the alt-right, racial supremacism and other ideologies or organizations that feature aspects of authoritarian, ultra-nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, theocratic, racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, or reactionary views. Far-Left: opposite extremes of the far-right. Both are pander to their sides. Barely anyone in politics that are centrists last a voting cycle in the US.
Katja talks about 'foreign workers for German industry'. Germany is rapidly de-industrialising with even VW now talking about closing plants. Germany does not need any more workers.
More importantly, the illegal immigrants from the mid east are NOT qualified to work in the german manufacturing sector. This terrible woman has a disgusting smug idea about manufacturing. To be a blue collar worker in manufacturing requires substantially more intelligence than to be a journalist at the spectator, and she thinks some people who are almost illiterate can just do it. Ridiculous.
There are plenty of people from Germany, Spain, France aso seeking employment. Unskilled people with neither German nor English… who needs them? Add the Burgergeld to this and getting up every morning in order to work for your keep is getting extremely unattractive.
"The party was founded in 2013 on an anti-migration and eurosceptic agenda, but this is the first time they’ve won the most seats in a German state parliament." Yes, this doesn't really sound like what any sane person would reasonably call "far right" and individuals spouting slogans who happen to support the party don't define party policy either. Otherwise, we should play the same game for all parties. There's an easy way of testing to what extent the AfD reflects Nazism in its policies and that's to what extent its policies mirror those of the Nazi party. So, to what extent does it explicitly peddle racial theories akin to Nazism? To what extent does it propose that Europe should be 'judenrein'? To what extent does it advocate the socialist policies of National Socialism - "Gleichschaltung" of industries and trade unions, state ownership, economic planning, centralisation, welfare programmes, labour programmes, and yes… anti-capitalism? A simple desire to return to the levels of immigration which were common until the last couple of decades or even to propose the repatriation of those who are not net contributors, commit crimes, or do not attempt to integrate, and have no valid claim to asylum does not a party Nazi make.
I continue to be shocked by the elitist attitude the bubbles to the surface when I discuss this with friends in Germany. The country has atoned for its sins and does not have to destroy itself by unbridled immigration by some who hate the West.
It isn't just Germany the globalists seen to have a plan for all our countries with a mono race and no borders. But multiculturalism doesn't work people naturally coalesce with their own you can't force this onto Europeans . We are getting low skilled low paid poorly educated mysoginstic men whose cultures clash with ours.
@@S3NTRY They have Nazi sympathizers in their ranks, Björn Höcke being a primary example. One of their current two leaders, Tino Chrupalla, was interviewed by Nikolai Nerling, a literal known Holocaust denier who once even did a Nazi salute in one of his videos (albeit showing only his shadow like the coward that he is). The far right and Neonazi connections of the AfD are undeniable. You're not gonna semantics your way out of this. Also, I love how you just sidestepped the parts about ethnonationalism and antisemitism. Coward.
@@vicicooper4720 Well, you've bought into the leftist propaganda and its illogic. In fact, A -> B doesn't necessarily mean B -> A. There's no doubt that leftists have said and supported many things that echo the Nazis. Does that mean they're Nazis, too? Who does this sound like? "[T]ear down the walls which separate the classes from each other in order to open the way for advancement for everybody; to create a general level of life in such a way that even the poorest has the secure minimum for existence; finally, to reach the point where everybody can share in the blessings of society." Do you favour policies like paid holidays, free maternity care, having a worker as comanager of a factory, confiscation of excess profits, animal welfare legislation ...? If you do, then you're a Nazi according to left-wing journos, politicos and leftists. Likewise, leftists have said many things that echo Stalin and Mao and their minions. Does that mean they're Stalinists or Maoists? Well, be that as it may. Stalin and Mao have a lot of blood on their hands, too. In fact, more than we could reasonably attribute to the Nazis, which is not to lessen the horror of the Nazis, but it does magnify the horror of the left. Strange how journos, academics and leftist politicos ignore all that. Think about Antifa, too. If anyone today is Nazi/Fascist, it's that lot.
Unlike these bozos from The Spectator, I've actually bothered to talk to an AfD representative and ask what his policies were. He concentrated exclusively on positive messages: promotion of German culture, support for families, wider and better career opportunities for the young, action on affordable housing, easing the bureaucratic burdens on business, investing in infrastructure etc etc. And, crucially, welcoming people to Germany who appreciate their culture and would like to participate.
@@richardsinclair9449the Venn diagram of "right" and "far right" to most on the left is a single circle. Guarantee they'd trip over themselves trying to define the "right".
I thought I understood politics. After all, when i studied the principles of the British Constitution, i was awarded a top student prize. But that was nigh on 50 years ago. And now, listening to all these little luvvies at The Spectator, it seems i learnt and new nothing: Good sense in wanting to exercise a modicum of control over immigration, or being dubious about the wisdom of net zero zealotry is apparently "far-right." Hmm. Either I've gone daft or The Spectator has...
Well one of the ways the Nazi's promoted themselves in the 1930s was that they were the party of "common sense" so that sort of thinking is nothing new.
The problem with the West is the reluctance of their politicians to fulfil the wishes of the people. No manifesto ever said "we will ram pack your country with people who have ideas which are antagonistic to secular life". I know, because I have read every con/lab manifesto since I was able to vote (more than 30 years). On each occasion I have voted for parties which promise to reduce incomers. The population of seditious others has increased. Can you blame a nation for abandoning the mainstay politics and vote for nutjobs who will certainly do what is necessary to end this madness? I am certain that those who voted for AfD are merely ordinary people who have had enough. I am also certain that because Labour will not see their way to reducing this problem, a landslide for the most extreme party available to the voter is nailed on. Let's hope that Reform remain the most right wing party, because AfUK would do a storm.
@@tenfootgoatman2285 The origins of the Nazi is found in Socialism. " German workers socialist party" roughly translated. So even if the AFD have used there slogans and rhetoric that would put them as far left.
I'm very heartened by the reader comments. Hopefully the Spectator's editors will read them and reflect on how in touch they are with their base. Or they could take a leaf out of the moribund Conservative Party's playbook...
Can you make a piece about what policy (policies) actually make them "far" right? I'm genuinely interested. Can't be just their opposition to illegal immigration (which sounds natural due to the "illegal" factor of it).
The female guest is great, the guy not so much. The government is openly saying democracy can only be ok if you vote for who they want. I’ve read the afd manifesto. They may be right but all the rest of the panic about them doesn’t seem warranted.
I would never vote for the AFD because of their Pro Putin stance. But I understand that a lot of people are fed up with the Policy of Mass Migration into Germany caused by Merkel and Scholz.
The response of the other parties to the will of the people truly shows their true colors, fragility and inflexibility that they all claim to not have. I see this within my family too. This is major red flag coming from the rest of the parties.
Very disappointed with Spectator TV - have the years bringing in Douglas Murray taught you nothing? "Far-right" .... explain the far-right and how AFD is far-right, because I don't think it means what you think it means. Is it that you hear Germany + right wing = far-right? Very sad, I thought you as "journalists" would do better.
Hard to believe the CDU would face any backlash for toughening immigration laws after the total rejection of the government coalition and the rise of the anti-immigration BSW.
Just as with Brexit, it's bitterly ironic how when people use existing established democratic means to express their opinions - whether you agree with them or not - they are labelled as extremist and, in the case of the AfD, threatened with censure.
Why is this a big deal? I'm Canadian and have been paying attention to our "Far Right" ... Which seems to be a word to slander? I'm assuming it Is it that the German people don't want to be taking care of other countries that can't deal with their own problems. Are people getting tired of floods of immigrants while their own people suffer? Their own people struggle day to day? Sounds very familiar to me. And they will be compared to past German history. It's different these days... Many are given hand outs galore, while people that built these countries struggle. We have floods of people coming across a border ... Why? Fix WHY these people need or have to leave. It's not our job to bring them all in. Then there is "the rich get richer" topic
The conservative CDU (Christian Democratic Union of Germany) was predominantly supported by older men in rural areas during the pre-Merkel era. However, it performed poorly among young urban women. Consequently, the party’s strategists decided to shift the party to the left to attract this demographic. Initially, this strategy was successful, and new voter groups were gained. The traditional conservative voter base continued to support the CDU reluctantly, as alternatives like the NPD (National Democratic Party of Germany) promoted an overly simplistic nationalism. However, as the CDU continued to move further to the left, a power vacuum emerged on the right, which was subsequently filled by the newly formed AfD (Alternative for Germany).
The historian and journalist Katja Hoyer is both thoughtfull and impressive. I hope politicians heed her advice. As to the AFD not being far right, its their own admission, so while I understand and share the frustration at the terms overuse and misapplication, in this instance, its true. And thats not to say that all their followers share the AFDs extremism, but its a dangerous game to play. I share the same reservations about far left extremism too. We are getting separated by the manipulation of linguistics into camps we wouldnt naturally gravitate towards.
I've started calling anyone who disagrees with or irks me in the slightest 'a Nazi'. Even, on occasion, my cat. Bit extreme maybe, but the word, like the term 'far right', has become so overused and abused now as to become meaningless so I'm doing my small bit to 'take it back'.
I would have preferred a deeper discussion which attempted to contextualise what is happening against eastern Germany’s history as a more militant part of Prussia, through the communist era to the limited success of reunification.
If wanting to control the quantity & quality of people who enter your country is far-right then that makes almost every country on the planet far-right. Even historic left wing governments were far-right too apparently.
It is weird how we're constantly being told on the one hand we need more workers regardless because of aging populations and on the other that there won't be enough jobs for people due to AI. One can't help but get the overriding feeling the great unwashed are being played sometimes.
No foreign workers required in most Western nations. Economic principles require that if a product - in this case labour - is rare, the price - wages - should rise... Not in modern Western states; employers and investors - like the WEF - will pressure governments to allow more immigrants to flood the labour pool so they can pay them less than the market originally demanded ... the costs will be bourn by the tax payer, so only positives for employers and investors, the burden on everyone else. That's even leaving aside the importation of incompatible - often violent - cultures to start to dominate the native culture. The left is always talking about preserving the indigenous cultures, except when it comes to Western cultures; the sooner that's destroyed, the better.
Reasonable risk aversion about mass immigration is not Far Right.
Other parties have driven people to that direction by not changing their policies when peoples minds have changed. What alternative people have? They are not interested about political ideologies, they want Germany to be the country that they remember it was 15-20 years ago.
its amazing how many right-wing voters are frightened to be called right-wing Hmmmmmm
It is just 'far-right' if you look from the far-left.
no it is not, but parts of the AfD, especially in Thuringia are not reasonable. These people shouldn't get any power. But it is also true, that the mainstream parties don't give any alternative. Anmd now it is very late and the question is if they are to be trusted to carry it through.
I would argue far right and far left today govern the West. The rich Lords of WEF and their woke "Ladies" in governments are recreating feudalism.
Could it possibly be a reaction to all the damage done to Germany by the far-left? 🤔
Could it also be because East Germany has lived under Socialism/Communism and knowns full well where it leads to?
Liberal "elite" so called centrists but yeah they are communist.
Blame Merkel for most of this..
Yup
@@charlesbeltington-smythe9229 No
If the conservatives had merely been slightly conservative for the last ten years an alternative wouldnt be needed.
Hey Bootneck!
Exactly, I've been saying it for years. Their debt has been paid, they don't need to virtue signal and destroy their country.
@@charlesbeltington-smythe9229 Now then Charles!
Same in the UK!
I was amused by Katja Hoyer's remarks. Her comments tell she's very much a member of the academic/political elite who always promote the imagined benefits of the so-called "political center." In fact, the political center is an illusion. It doesn't exist. It is and always has been left of the actual center.
Far right my arse. Spectator towing the MSN narrative and embarrassing themselves.
Yes, that's why I gave up on supporting The Spectator financially.
Its amazing how many right-wing voters are frightened to be called right-wing Hm
* towing = toeing (the line)
I recon 95% are what keeps being called far right, it’s being used incorrectly, we are all patriotic and conservative but terms like this attempt to silence us
Exactly.
They're using the phrase "far right" because they're trying to compare this to the situation in the 1920s and 1930s, but can't call them "fascist" because they know these are not literally fascist parties.
sorry. but the views expressed consistently by these so called 'patriots' are in line with nazism and far-right ideology. its all based around stopping immigration when the uk needs more people not less. the same applies to deutschland. capitalism requires continous population growth and most european countries have had drops in offspring coming from people residing in those areas. this is down to blatent prejudices,xenophobia and islamiphobia from those being rightly labelled far-right. . Ever studied macro-economics or fiscal policy studies? Clearly NOT!- The UK needs more people to address the negative displacement ratio created by falling birth rates and increased OAP population.Refugees aid the economy and those idiots who voted Brexit worsened the situation. More housing and more infra-structure needs to be built that will also boost the economy-only 10percent of UK land is currently used for Housing. Theres as much Land used for golf courses s there is for Housing in the UK-so why arent the people supposedly opposed to immigration on grounds of this ‘country being full’ attacking golf courses and demanding more Housing be built on that Land>?
They want to be able to call them "fascist" but know they are not literally fascist parties.
**There's no center. Marxist/globalist intended to shut down all choice using gov, Media, School
Soooooo bored of 'far-right'. It is a completely overused meaningless accusation.
Exactly just like far-left. Both need to be retired, just like the people in those "camps" need to retire and centrist thinkers make policies.
@@julesniner1766 But the Far Left is organised in UK.
Its amazing how many right-wing voters are frightened to be called right-wing Hm
It's the same as labelling us all racists it's lost it's power it's meaningless
@@mobob75 The terms "right-wing" and "far-right" both describe positions on the political spectrum, but they differ in their extremity. Right-wing generally refers to traditional conservative values and market-oriented policies, while far-right includes more extreme views like nationalism and authoritarianism. Similarly, left-wing involves progressive social and economic policies, while far-left advocates for radical changes like socialism or communism.
The Reform Party and UKIP are often seen as right-wing due to their stances on issues like immigration and EU scepticism. UKIP, in particular, has sometimes been associated with more extreme right-wing views but is not typically classified as far-right.
There's often discomfort on the right with being labelled as "far-right" due to its extreme connotations, while the left tends to embrace their labels more openly. This discomfort can stem from wanting to avoid the negative associations linked with more radical or extremist views. Being a moderate Tory, you might be comfortable with terms like "Tory" and "moderate" because they reflect a more balanced, mainstream perspective, whereas more extreme labels can carry unwanted stigma.
Standing up for your own people in your own country is not far right, its common sense
Its amazing how many right-wing voters are frightened to be called right-wing Hm
Imagine portraying immigrants as a threat to stand up against then wondering why everyone's calling you a far right bigot.
@@AkerfeldtTveitan-yi4xm imagine seeing a duck and hearing it quack and then saying that's a fish
@@AkerfeldtTveitan-yi4xm Europeans are not racists. We don't want anything bad to happen to the immigrants, we just don't want our countries to lose traditions, values, safety and so on. It's simple. Immigrants are not all the same. Where they come from matters the most.
@@geopol3105 "We don't want anything bad to happen to migrants, we just want to exclude some groups of people from coming just based on where they're from. But we're not racists I swear!"
Having borders is "Far-Right" 🙄
They’re not far right.
They’re just correct.
far correct?
As soon as they use the term "far right" you know where they are coming from.
Please explain what the 'far right' means. Everybody keeps using the term but nobody knows what it is. Lazy journalism better suited to a student rag
They'll be sued if they call these parties "fascist", so they use this phrase instead.
The 'Far-right' in this country are drunken football thugs and kids, and thats about it..
It actually means ethno-nationalist. No one is talking about the far left; Hitler et al.
Contemporary definitions now include neo-fascism, neo-Nazism, the Third Position, the alt-right, racial supremacism and other ideologies or organizations that feature aspects of authoritarian, ultra-nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, theocratic, racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, or reactionary views.
Far-Left: opposite extremes of the far-right.
Both are pander to their sides. Barely anyone in politics that are centrists last a voting cycle in the US.
Its amazing how many right-wing voters are frightened to be called right-wing Hm
"Far right" in the media simply means "not a marxist"
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle And last time I checked Alice Weidel is still a lesbian, which 3rd Reich folks would have "disapproved" of.
Katja talks about 'foreign workers for German industry'. Germany is rapidly de-industrialising with even VW now talking about closing plants. Germany does not need any more workers.
These people are not coming to work, they are an invasion force.
Interesting: I'm tired of this "We need immigration because we need workers", narrative...
More importantly, the illegal immigrants from the mid east are NOT qualified to work in the german manufacturing sector.
This terrible woman has a disgusting smug idea about manufacturing.
To be a blue collar worker in manufacturing requires substantially more intelligence than to be a journalist at the spectator, and she thinks some people who are almost illiterate can just do it.
Ridiculous.
There are plenty of people from Germany, Spain, France aso seeking employment.
Unskilled people with neither German nor English… who needs them? Add the Burgergeld to this and getting up every morning in order to work for your keep is getting extremely unattractive.
"The party was founded in 2013 on an anti-migration and eurosceptic agenda, but this is the first time they’ve won the most seats in a German state parliament."
Yes, this doesn't really sound like what any sane person would reasonably call "far right" and individuals spouting slogans who happen to support the party don't define party policy either. Otherwise, we should play the same game for all parties.
There's an easy way of testing to what extent the AfD reflects Nazism in its policies and that's to what extent its policies mirror those of the Nazi party. So, to what extent does it explicitly peddle racial theories akin to Nazism? To what extent does it propose that Europe should be 'judenrein'? To what extent does it advocate the socialist policies of National Socialism - "Gleichschaltung" of industries and trade unions, state ownership, economic planning, centralisation, welfare programmes, labour programmes, and yes… anti-capitalism?
A simple desire to return to the levels of immigration which were common until the last couple of decades or even to propose the repatriation of those who are not net contributors, commit crimes, or do not attempt to integrate, and have no valid claim to asylum does not a party Nazi make.
They're only "far right" if you're looking at it from the far left.
Its amazing how many right-wing voters are frightened to be called right-wing Hm
If you go THAT far left, nothing is visible: it's TOO far.
"far right" = we don't want to destroy our own country.
I continue to be shocked by the elitist attitude the bubbles to the surface when I discuss this with friends in Germany. The country has atoned for its sins and does not have to destroy itself by unbridled immigration by some who hate the West.
It isn't just Germany the globalists seen to have a plan for all our countries with a mono race and no borders. But multiculturalism doesn't work people naturally coalesce with their own you can't force this onto Europeans . We are getting low skilled low paid poorly educated mysoginstic men whose cultures clash with ours.
Sadly, many well educated Germans are brainwashed. The working class people are far more realistic, but they are being silenced.
@@occamsshavecream4541 Totally agree. Everyone alive at the time is dead now. Germany doesn't owe anyone anything.
The "far right" didn't "go mainstream", the mainstream have just been labelled "far right"
No the far right literally went mainstream. We're talking ethnonationalism, antisemitism and Nazi adjacency here.
@@AkerfeldtTveitan-yi4xm "Nazi adjacency"
That's the most tryhard term I've heard yet.
@@S3NTRY They have Nazi sympathizers in their ranks, Björn Höcke being a primary example. One of their current two leaders, Tino Chrupalla, was interviewed by Nikolai Nerling, a literal known Holocaust denier who once even did a Nazi salute in one of his videos (albeit showing only his shadow like the coward that he is). The far right and Neonazi connections of the AfD are undeniable. You're not gonna semantics your way out of this. Also, I love how you just sidestepped the parts about ethnonationalism and antisemitism. Coward.
Far right? Really?
I'm not watching this .
Its amazing how many right-wing voters are frightened to be called right-wing Hm
Its amazing how many right-wing voters are frightened to be called right-wing Hm
they are right not far right.
Being Nazi and shouting Nazi slogans sounds a bit more far right than what we have in UK. They have history, remember.
@@vicicooper4720 do you mean the NSDAP? National Socialist German Workers Party? doesn't sound far right to me.
@@vicicooper4720 What Nazi slognas do you mean?
@@vicicooper4720 Well, you've bought into the leftist propaganda and its illogic. In fact, A -> B doesn't necessarily mean B -> A. There's no doubt that leftists have said and supported many things that echo the Nazis. Does that mean they're Nazis, too? Who does this sound like? "[T]ear down the walls which separate the classes from each other in order to open the way for advancement for everybody; to create a general level of life in such a way that even the poorest has the secure minimum for existence; finally, to reach the point where everybody can share in the blessings of society." Do you favour policies like paid holidays, free maternity care, having a worker as comanager of a factory, confiscation of excess profits, animal welfare legislation ...? If you do, then you're a Nazi according to left-wing journos, politicos and leftists.
Likewise, leftists have said many things that echo Stalin and Mao and their minions. Does that mean they're Stalinists or Maoists? Well, be that as it may. Stalin and Mao have a lot of blood on their hands, too. In fact, more than we could reasonably attribute to the Nazis, which is not to lessen the horror of the Nazis, but it does magnify the horror of the left. Strange how journos, academics and leftist politicos ignore all that. Think about Antifa, too. If anyone today is Nazi/Fascist, it's that lot.
Unlike these bozos from The Spectator, I've actually bothered to talk to an AfD representative and ask what his policies were. He concentrated exclusively on positive messages: promotion of German culture, support for families, wider and better career opportunities for the young, action on affordable housing, easing the bureaucratic burdens on business, investing in infrastructure etc etc. And, crucially, welcoming people to Germany who appreciate their culture and would like to participate.
That's so vague what are his actual policies though?
None of that is actual policy.
It seems anyone who is not fully on-board with the canon of wokery, is 'far right'.
Far right=unwoke
You don't have to be right-wing to be anti woke. I am centre left and oppose woke culture.
NOT 'far right'. Just NOT Loony left!
There is a difference between the right wing and or the far right as in the labour left and far left, I'm sure jimmy Saville cared for his country
Its amazing how many right-wing voters are frightened to be called right-wing Hm
@@richardsinclair9449the Venn diagram of "right" and "far right" to most on the left is a single circle.
Guarantee they'd trip over themselves trying to define the "right".
I thought I understood politics. After all, when i studied the principles of the British Constitution, i was awarded a top student prize. But that was nigh on 50 years ago. And now, listening to all these little luvvies at The Spectator, it seems i learnt and new nothing: Good sense in wanting to exercise a modicum of control over immigration, or being dubious about the wisdom of net zero zealotry is apparently "far-right."
Hmm. Either I've gone daft or The Spectator has...
Its amazing how many right-wing voters are frightened to be called right-wing Hm
Does far right mean common sense'? I think it does!
Well one of the ways the Nazi's promoted themselves in the 1930s was that they were the party of "common sense" so that sort of thinking is nothing new.
Why would the Spectator partake in the lazy journalism, using the trope far right? Please name the policies making them far right?
Outrageous
Is Starmer still interested in closer ties with Germany? 😂😂😂
Yes.
Starmer's Federation of Numpties.
Horrifying takes by the guests and the interviewer. What is extremist about not wanting your culture erased by forced migration that nobody asked for?
Culture survives by living it.
'Mass immigration' is extreme, opposing it is not.
The problem with the West is the reluctance of their politicians to fulfil the wishes of the people. No manifesto ever said "we will ram pack your country with people who have ideas which are antagonistic to secular life". I know, because I have read every con/lab manifesto since I was able to vote (more than 30 years). On each occasion I have voted for parties which promise to reduce incomers. The population of seditious others has increased. Can you blame a nation for abandoning the mainstay politics and vote for nutjobs who will certainly do what is necessary to end this madness? I am certain that those who voted for AfD are merely ordinary people who have had enough. I am also certain that because Labour will not see their way to reducing this problem, a landslide for the most extreme party available to the voter is nailed on. Let's hope that Reform remain the most right wing party, because AfUK would do a storm.
Hear hear.
When we need radical change we vote for the radicals that's just the way it is.
Congratulations to AFD, keep up the momentum!
Are the AFD actually far right or do they just hold views outside of the neo liberalism world view. And so get labelled with a slur as a result.
Well they have used Nazi' slogans and rhetoric so yeah I would say they are pretty far right.
@@tenfootgoatman2285 The origins of the Nazi is found in Socialism. " German workers socialist party" roughly translated. So even if the AFD have used there slogans and rhetoric that would put them as far left.
What exactly justifies labeling AfD as “hard-line right”?
Perhaps it has something to do with neo Nazi in its ranks?
It's not Far Right,it's just Common Sense!
I'm very heartened by the reader comments. Hopefully the Spectator's editors will read them and reflect on how in touch they are with their base. Or they could take a leaf out of the moribund Conservative Party's playbook...
Listening to this is a waste of time. Spectator journos are stuck in the Westminster bubble mind set.
No but it's good to send the signal. People are done with radical progressivism nonsense
Both anti establishment parties did well.
Somehow it seems OK to form a coalition with a far left party but not a far right one?
Yes because the far left doesn't usually translate into ruthless supremacy, death camps and the Holocaust..
Far Right is being used to often to describe people who care by there country
There is a difference between the right wing and or the far right as in the labour left and far left, I'm sure jimmy Saville cared for his country
Its amazing how many right-wing voters are frightened to be called right-wing Hm
Can you make a piece about what policy (policies) actually make them "far" right? I'm genuinely interested. Can't be just their opposition to illegal immigration (which sounds natural due to the "illegal" factor of it).
They're not just against illegal immigrants
Unabashedly far rightist here, good on the Germans for standing up for themselves!!
Honestly its refreshing to hear someone actually admit that most people who support far right politics seem to be almost ashamed of it.
Can The Spectator please define ( Far Right )????
Why is this being seen solely in negative terms? The people have spoken.
The similarity to the situation in the UK is close.
And this is the reason I didn’t renew my Speccie subs; AfD far right … byee
The female guest is great, the guy not so much. The government is openly saying democracy can only be ok if you vote for who they want. I’ve read the afd manifesto. They may be right but all the rest of the panic about them doesn’t seem warranted.
"They are far-right", said a far-left spokesman . . .
At what point will the phrase "far right" be phased out
The little boy cried who cried wolf got a lot harder time ..
Is it 'far-right' - though?
Its amazing how many right-wing voters are frightened to be called right-wing Hm
Yes, absolutely. Even the German judiciary thinks so.
I would never vote for the AFD because of their Pro Putin stance. But I understand that a lot of people are fed up with the Policy of Mass Migration into Germany caused by Merkel and Scholz.
Same.
Putin is defending Russia against NATO aggression.
Correct.
What AFD policies are far right. This lazy label needs clarification.
The response of the other parties to the will of the people truly shows their true colors, fragility and inflexibility that they all claim to not have. I see this within my family too. This is major red flag coming from the rest of the parties.
Coming to the UK. Zia Yousef and the Reform team are working round the clock to get the foot8ngs in place for local elections 2025.
Democracy at work, right?
They cannot ignore it. But they can try to ban it. And they will. Because they are evil.
The reason people are moving "far-right" is because of the complete failure of the centre-right to actually do anything.
It would be nice to hear a single news outlet give a non-biased report on this.
If you push people in a far left direction, they can only go right, but it's not far right, it's just right.
It's very intellectually dishonest, lazy, disingenuous and manipulative to a call everyone on the right 'far-right.' Give it a rest.
Why is it that conservative parties are called "Far Right" and the other parties are not called "Far Left"? Just want to know.
They are not far Right. Errr grow up
Very disappointed with Spectator TV - have the years bringing in Douglas Murray taught you nothing? "Far-right" .... explain the far-right and how AFD is far-right, because I don't think it means what you think it means. Is it that you hear Germany + right wing = far-right? Very sad, I thought you as "journalists" would do better.
Hard to believe the CDU would face any backlash for toughening immigration laws after the total rejection of the government coalition and the rise of the anti-immigration BSW.
Thank you for having well thought and balanced discussion.
Just as with Brexit, it's bitterly ironic how when people use existing established democratic means to express their opinions - whether you agree with them or not - they are labelled as extremist and, in the case of the AfD, threatened with censure.
Time to embrace the term far right. Take it away from them
Struggling to see what is "far-right" about the AFD here...
Why is this a big deal? I'm Canadian and have been paying attention to our "Far Right" ... Which seems to be a word to slander? I'm assuming it Is it that the German people don't want to be taking care of other countries that can't deal with their own problems. Are people getting tired of floods of immigrants while their own people suffer? Their own people struggle day to day? Sounds very familiar to me. And they will be compared to past German history. It's different these days... Many are given hand outs galore, while people that built these countries struggle. We have floods of people coming across a border ... Why? Fix WHY these people need or have to leave. It's not our job to bring them all in. Then there is "the rich get richer" topic
This guest said it was “surprising” to see that immigration was at the top of the list of Afd voters?!?! What planet is she on?
Yeah. She's another one of those very inexpert experts.
It would appear that people have gotten fed up with decades of far left misrule.
Media does not actually discuss anything. They all say the same. "Is this a protest etc" etc. Gives us facts not nonsense opinions.
At last, indigenous populations are waking up!
They can't be far right if the centre is voting for them??
What centre? By that retarded logic the Nazis weren't far right since they were voted into power
I genuinely had to check I was listening to the Spectator and not the Owen Jones channel.
NOT far right......just right!
The conservative CDU (Christian Democratic Union of Germany) was predominantly supported by older men in rural areas during the pre-Merkel era.
However, it performed poorly among young urban women. Consequently, the party’s strategists decided to shift the party to the left to attract this demographic. Initially, this strategy was successful, and new voter groups were gained. The traditional conservative voter base continued to support the CDU reluctantly, as alternatives like the NPD (National Democratic Party of Germany) promoted an overly simplistic nationalism.
However, as the CDU continued to move further to the left, a power vacuum emerged on the right, which was subsequently filled by the newly formed AfD (Alternative for Germany).
The arrogant elitism and contempt for an average European voter on display here is breathtaking
Germanys economy is in recession and was only driven by debt since 2007.
It's foolish to contine to vote for people who are making you poorer.
They talk about people as mere sources of labour and importing them the way you would import factory equipment.
Bravo AfD!
If you call them far right then you are definitely far left
Its at times like this that you see many media outlets for who and what they really are.
"Far right" means anyone who is not far left.
No it doesn't. The CDU is not far left but they're not far right. God I'm sick of this lazy right wing strawman.
The Spectator has lurched so far to the left since Labour gained power its incredible.
The historian and journalist Katja Hoyer is both thoughtfull and impressive. I hope politicians heed her advice.
As to the AFD not being far right, its their own admission, so while I understand and share the frustration at the terms overuse and misapplication,
in this instance, its true.
And thats not to say that all their followers share the AFDs extremism, but its a dangerous game to play.
I share the same reservations about far left extremism too.
We are getting separated by the manipulation of linguistics into camps we wouldnt naturally gravitate towards.
I've started calling anyone who disagrees with or irks me in the slightest 'a Nazi'.
Even, on occasion, my cat.
Bit extreme maybe, but the word, like the term 'far right', has become so overused and abused now as to become meaningless so I'm doing my small bit to 'take it back'.
Continently forgot to mention stopping weapon delivery to Ukraine as one of the main agendas
Why is it they always call a right of Center Party Far Right?
I would have preferred a deeper discussion which attempted to contextualise what is happening against eastern Germany’s history as a more militant part of Prussia, through the communist era to the limited success of reunification.
20 years ago "far-right" was considered normal....
No it wasn't. Ethnonationalism was not ok 20 years ago either.
@@AkerfeldtTveitan-yi4xm I don't care about your delusions.
@@jonny8774 You're the one pretending like the policies of the AfD were considered normal 20 years ago. Imagine projecting this hard
@@AkerfeldtTveitan-yi4xm I'm not pretending. Their agenda is identical to the CDU's from 2005.
Denmark showes how a socialist Party can get the voters back!
If wanting to control the quantity & quality of people who enter your country is far-right then that makes almost every country on the planet far-right. Even historic left wing governments were far-right too apparently.
Neil and Nelson are deluded to think this babble will generate subscriptions for Spectator.
I wouldn't pay for this rubbish.
They are not far right just right
when you accuse people of being far right and extremists you really should have to provide some evidence.
It is weird how we're constantly being told on the one hand we need more workers regardless because of aging populations and on the other that there won't be enough jobs for people due to AI.
One can't help but get the overriding feeling the great unwashed are being played sometimes.
No foreign workers required in most Western nations. Economic principles require that if a product - in this case labour - is rare, the price - wages - should rise... Not in modern Western states; employers and investors - like the WEF - will pressure governments to allow more immigrants to flood the labour pool so they can pay them less than the market originally demanded ... the costs will be bourn by the tax payer, so only positives for employers and investors, the burden on everyone else.
That's even leaving aside the importation of incompatible - often violent - cultures to start to dominate the native culture. The left is always talking about preserving the indigenous cultures, except when it comes to Western cultures; the sooner that's destroyed, the better.
NOT FAR RIGHT!
Huh. I thought Spectator was supposed to be Conservative.
Guess not.
No wonder sensible Britons abandoned the feckless Tories.
I'm sorry to all you british people, that you have to deal with such low quality journalism.
Good grief Spectator. "Far-right" they are not.
I thought the Spectator was supposed to be conservative?!