Behind the scenes at Farnborough Radar
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2017
- The Flying Reporter is invited to meet the team at Farnborough Lower Airspace Radar. It's the biggest and busiest LARS unit in the the UK. The air traffic controllers at LARS units provide basic, traffic and deconfliction service to aircraft up to FL100.
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Fascinating. And quality too.
Fantastic video, Jon. Brilliant to see both sides of the ATC comm's.
Your production values get better every video Jon and this one, well it could have been a BBC documentary. Love it very informative, excellent work. Thanks
Thanks Terry.
Awesome video, thank you! Great to see how ATC works around the world. Love the use of paper strips and holders - classic! That's the way to do it! 😀
Excellent as always - thank you Jon
Thank YOU for watching.
Thanks for a great video
Awesome production values on this video Jon, although your passenger looked a bit dodgy... That was a really interesting insight into the airspace over there, kept me gripped all the way through. Thanks again for the flight, Stef 👍
No probs stef. Thanks for being my copilot on this one!
Really good video
Haha I was wondering why you were being shady about the passenger. You got me.
I was going to say, that looked a lot like Stefan Drury!
Lol Stef 😂
ATC process has always been so intriguing and impressive!
An excellent quality video and very informative. Thank you and well done for a great production.
Thanks for watching Kevin.
This whole serious is absolutely fantastic. Started my PPL in 2013 with a horrible phobia of flying and kept stopping and starting again. Will finish it this time. Great vids.
I retired from Era traffic and 1973 and I still miss it. I started off in Kansas City Center transferred to Denver Center and then transferred down to Denver tower. The year I was in Denver tower we were the fourth busiest in the country. I went to the Hui tower in 1973 yeah. I still miss it.
I hear you, Bill! I miss being a controller every single day.
As a Farnborough resident this was very interesting to see and helps makes sense of some of what I hear on the radio :)
Another great video, Jon! Informative insight into atc. And well produced.
Thank you so much.
Amazing, beautifully done!
Cheers.
Fantastic video, it looks very interesting from behind the scenes. Thanks for sharing :)
I am a glider pilot flying in Lincolnshire and North Yorkshire of 14 years using the current lockdown to try and study for a FRTOL. Very interesting and informative videos, and very engaging. Thank you and well done.
Amazing video! Thank you so much!
Cheers captain.
Very informative and the production quality is amazing. Good job!
+03Wale thanks for tuning in.
Interesting stuff. I live in the Farnborough area and sometimes listen in to their information service now and then.
Excellent and insightful video there Jon, thanks for sharing 👍🏻
Pleasure Nick.
What a fantastic video Jon. Spoken to Farnborough so many times and to see the guys and girls actually at it "behind the scenes" has been utterly awesome. Thanks for making the time to do this, loved it.
Thanks Julian.
interesting feature looking forward to watching more
Great video, thank you for taking the time to produce it.
+Remus Raita thank you for watching it.
Spot on. They prioritize the business traffic . The evidence is in the proposed airspace grab to favour a small number of high value movements over the much larger volume GA movements.
Excellent video showing just how hard the guys behind all the safe flying in the UK work, well done to them and thanks Jon for another excellent video.
Thanks for watching.
As always, outstanding work!
+Ministry Of Twang thanks.
great video, very informative for us non-pilots
Great information - well done Jon
Thanks Simon.
Excellent video. I just used the Farnborough LARS service yesterday and, as always, found them fantastic.
Thanks Paul.
Another great video Jon, very informative and not the type of room I expected for such a large and crowded airspace area, but covered very well by their excellent service. Used them recently for a flight from my home strip in Heathfield to Yeovilton and they didn't disappoint. Cheers and keep up the good work!!!
Thanks for watching.
amazing video!
Great work. Access to LARS is one of my favourite things about having a PPL, this was certainly interesting and that was an impressive challenge to Farnborough re: prioritisation of its own traffic! Subscribed.
Thanks for watching.
Well-done. Glad to see a professional feature that is long enough to actually learn something.
+davidswelt appreciate your comment David.
Great video.☺️
nice work, that was really interesting! I tend to fly in Suffolk and Norfolk and only made a few flights south of Southend, but always found farnborough very helpful. I've only been west of Biggin once, going to Fairoaks, and didn't feel I had any less priority than anyway else through that busy area. Very helpful with traffic info, even when just on a basic service. Top marks to Farnborough LARS and to yourself on another great episode!
Cheers Dave.
Great to see a different perspective and was useful to see ATC, their pressures and how they operate
+Rik Gray I agree Rik. Thanks.
Really awesome Production! Really enjoyed it very much :) Thank you for your work
Thanks for watching it.
Excellent and informative.
Pleased you liked it.
Outstanding production. Very engaging. Subscribed.
+MiddleAgedMassive thank you very much.
well done that was very interesting.
2:35 absolutely love this tower!
awesome!
Thanks for the this video. It brought back good memories of when I was doing my PPL in Blackbush many years ago, and yes, I did infringe on their space once or twice and was told off. Thanks and best from HKG
Cool. You get more than a telling off these days.
Amazing video ! Very informative.
Thanks Marshall.
Great video, your airspace down there is certainly much more congested than up north! You need to bring out more special episodes!!
Thanks Ben. A small distraction up there would be no big deal. I looked at my map down here once, and found I'd turned 30 degrees and was now heading for Heathrow's CTA. Farnborough corrected me before it went bad.
Fantastic video, Jon. Really good insight into the benefits of LARS.
Glad you enjoyed this.
Brilliant video Jon, can’t believe I have not seen this one sooner! Keep up the good work! Love the channel.
Thanks!
Great job guys,
Thanks for watching Elizabeth.
Nice video, very professionally shot and edited, I know a lot more goes into these vids than people might realise but it flowed really well and was informative. Look forward to seeing more of them, skilled ATC operation has always fascinated me.
Thanks Christopher.
Great video. Really interesting. It's amazing to see how Farnborough has changed so dramatically since I worked there in the 90s.
How so Steve? Thanks.
The Flying Reporter some of the buildings are a lot newer and I don't remember the tower being that swish!
Really interesting and very nicely made video. Excellent work as usual! Thanks.
Thank you! Have a nice day.
thank you, have a nice day
Farnborough LARS is a great service - always friendly and tolerant of this student, who's still a bit nervous of ATC coms! Thanks for the video - It's really useful to see who I'm talking to and how they operate.
+Gordon Hill pleasure.
Amazing video!
Cheers
Very informative and very professionally put together. I learned a lot from it...thank you.
Pleasure. Thanks for watching.
Another great video, thank you.
In the future may be one for London Information would be good.
Keep up the great work.
Yes, that has been suggested.
Top notch video. Great audio, video editing, interlacing of script etc.
I am a happy user of Farnborough LARS.
Seeing the card strips they use really helps make you a better communicator as you know (can visualise) what info they need from you.
Really impressive production/editing.
One possible improvement would be to show a banner with the interviewee's name and job title when they begin speaking.
You could easily have avoided the challenging question at the end to Maggie but you still asked, quite gutsy.
Thanks for your effort.
Thanks for the feedback. Glad you enjoyed the piece. Jon
John. Fantastic video. As a constant user who fly out of Shoreham I use the East & West airspace a lot and good to see the men and women behind the scenes keep me and others like me safe. It was fascinating to see what goes on. Brilliant. Keep them coming.
Glad you enjoyed the vid.
Excellent!
Glad you enjoyed this.
Very cool video. Wish I was able to watch this when I had just started doing my PPL training. Cool to put a picture to it all, I think I recognise some of the voices. Especially LARS West.
Good to put faces to voices eh.
Been watching your videos for a couple of days now, love each one, thank you. My dream has been to become an Air Traffic Controller who flies in his spare time, but where I am right now, it would be a long way to get there and I'm not even sure it'd be possible (32yo, wouold need to study for higher school grades, would need to travel for training etc). I have the next best thing, though, with your videos to keep me company. And keep me dreaming!
Another great video. Have to say, like yourself I always request at least a basic service when in uncontrolled airspace. Farnborough have been particularly helpful in the past, assisting me on a flight when I became unsure of my position. They are there to help and don't mind doing so if needed.
Thanks Robert. If you ever need help on a flight...you just have to ask. I've never been disappointed with ATC.
Very informative and it's more congested down south
Thanks Michael.
Really interesting video thanks 😀
Thanks James
Great video Jon.
Thanks Lee. Appreciate it.
Very good video! I am applying to the RAF as an Air Traffic Controller in the upcoming months.
Good luck with your application. Thanks for watching.
Excellent documentary should be on mainline TV
Thanks Tony.
Thanks John. I use Farnborough LARS a lot and recognise a couple of the voices! They have always been extremely helpful in tight airspace. Never felt any issue of Farnborough prioritisation. It would have no problem with it anyway. Safe and a known environment.
Thanks for watching Chris. It's fun putting faces to voices.
Really great video Jon! Was great to get an insight into who's on the other end of the headset and how they operate. Many thanks.
+MyAviationAdventure pleasure.
Brilliant!!😎
+Simon Woodward thanks Simon.
Excellent work! It's interesting to see how busy they can get - I can now understand better when one has to "standby".
Thanks for watching.
Controlled airspace seems to be greater than is commercially needed, it has grown like Topsy, Farnborough airport grabbed the area between London and Southampton/ Bournemouth. It cuts the South East and other places I went. I always used to get the answer to transit a zone with, ‘Keep clear of controlled airspace’ it is really a mess of tight spaces to avoid, all the time using bit of paper maps that are very cluttered with restriction. Farnborough is the Mecca of the super rich in Gulfstreams etc. Flying in controlled airspace IFR is so easy and much less complicated.
Seeing it from the other side makes LARS far less daunting. Excellent documentary.
+twickersruss thanks for watching.
Fellow pilot here! Subbed and shared!
+Marc Jones thanks Marc.
Very nice video John. A very interesting watch.
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.
Interlacing! Haven't seen that in a while! Very interesting to see UK ATC vs. US - thanks for the insight.
Pleasure....Interlacing?
very interesting.
Nice work. I can appreciate what exactly goes on. At home I have a Mode-S (ADS-B) receiving set up, that receives data from an aerial on my roof and converts it into a "proper " radar picture on my laptop screen to provide a Virtual Radar. With add-on's added over the last 10 years or so, it now shows Flight Number, Aircraft registration, aircraft type, heading, altitude, Lat/Long and squawk code on my "radar" screen for aircraft transmitting in my area that are transitting through or arriving/leaving at Manchester. It can be overlaid, via an add-on to the screen with Airways charts, smaller airfields, NDB's, reporting point, etc to give it a "proper" radar screen feel, but that clutters up my screen, so I have just added local towns by Lat/long to give me an idea of distance, etc. as I can isolate 1 flight at a time and that give me range and bearing to my house. This system is the now obsolete Kinetic Avionics SBS-1 and still going strong over 10 years since I bought it.
Great video, Jon. The folks there do a great job! I'm always happy to talk to Farnborough but prefer to use their listening squawk if I know I'm not going to need anything from them and I'm not routing close to controlled airspace. Wish more people would as it would make it easier to get a word in between all the basic service requests when I do require something useful e.g. flight plan activation or a traffic service.
Thanks. They only have the listening squawk for the west frequency at the moment I think.
Insightful video as always. Squawks continue to evolve.
I know many GA/PPL/Glider pilots find the radio a distraction (their excuse not mine). Listening Squawks help to an extent. On a busy Saturday/Bank holiday weekend, I often feel sorry for the Farnborough LARS controllers workload. Can be difficult to jump on & off frequency for a basic service. FYI Amended Listening Squawks : From Sept 14th 2017 : Southampton gets 7011 (from 0011), Gatwick gets 7012 (from 0012), Stansted gets 7013 (from 0013). Their partners remain as today, namely Bournemouth 0011, Thames Radar 0012, Luton 0013.
Source : flyontrack.co.uk
The OFFICIAL place to look for these ‘frequency monitoring codes’ and frequencies is En-Route Section of the UK AIP and you need to find Section ENR 1.6 in the content list. Within ENR 1.6.2, find paragraph 2.5.6 within it for the official list, which is reproduced below with matching frequencies. (To find the UK AIP, go to www.ais.org.uk and Select ‘IAIP’ from the tags, and then look for ‘Enroute Information - ENR Index’ from the side list.) The latest codes/frequencies, possibly not yet on the graphic, can be found on the hot news item on the home page of this site
Source : airspacesafety.com/wpcontent/uploads/2017/05/SQUAWKandLARS_A4_SEPT_2017.pdf
Source : CAA Website : ENR 6.1.6.3
On a nice summers day the volume of traffic from GA totally overwhelmes LAR. That dosnt include Ballons, Paragliders, Hang gliders and fixed wing gliders. The biggest gliding club in the world is a few miles west. A few years ago I heard on the radio "50+ returns over andover heading east" or something similar. It was a gliding competition.
A really well thought out and put together piece, Jon. I've subscribed and look forward to future content!
+Lewis Harris thanks for signing up Lewis.
As a foreign pilot I hear all the horror stories about London airspace and how difficult it is to fly there. I have to agree that Farnborough radar is always very helpful and kind and make flying in the sector easy and pleasant. I will always call them when I am in neighborhood. Nice to see the other end of the line. Great job and great video!
You have to be on your toes around here. Thanks for watching.
It’s changed a bit since I used to pop in for a brew!
Very nice! You have a new subscriber from Tacoma, Washington. :)
+Jay Williams thanks Jay.
good video
Another excellent video, thank you. I personally have no issue with the odd control request for the invaluable service provided the rest of the time.
Thanks Paul.
Great video! I'm amazed at how different radar procedures and airspace is in the U.K. Versus the U.S. Really interesting seeing the differences. Greetings from Southern California, United States! Chandler Jackson, Certificated Flight Instructor
Thanks Chandler. I think the differences are quite a surprise to most americans I speak to.
The Flying Reporter If you ever find yourself in Los Angeles, I'd be happy to take you up - we have the busiest radar approach control in the world with 2.2 million operations a year.
Thanks Chandler. Most kind.
I’m a private pilot ... and your videos are excellent!! They have given me a chance to improve my skills
The number of times this lady blinked at 10:15!
73
Friedrich I’m too lazy to count that so will say that right
world blinking record.
im starting to think its a distress morse code lmao
It wasn’t just me that was thinking that! 😂😂😂😅
keep atc frequency handy in case of trouble, but in good weather , enjoy the freedom. I am instrument rated and because of weather , usually always fly IFR, but occasionally, when weather is good, l fly vfr and enjoy the freedom. Flew 600 miles from Oklahoma to Gulf Shores Alabama one time , and never talked to anyone until about 10 miles out from Jack Edwards. Fun. New ADS b will make vfr flying safer.
Can you imagine 100s of airplanes flying there in 1939-1946.busy.
Fantastic video. Makes me realize how fortunate I am to live in a vast country with very permissive airspace.
Vast?
Yes. You could fly from coast to coast here in the United States at 17,500 and never speak with anyone.
Ah, thought you were a Brit, welsh to be precise. Greetings from Australia.
+Garrett McEwen cheers Garrett.
Great video. I have visited Farnbourgh myself and found it a great presentation of what they do. I can't understand why anybody would choose NOT to use a radar service if its available!!
Thanks Gavin.
Looked like a nice Saturday afternoon with nice looking cumulus but no mention at all of gliding, despite the largest gliding club in the UK being only about 10nm from Farnborough. I'm aware that some ATS units use the online FLARM trackers, so hopefully this will become more common. I often have to tell ATC that I don't have a transponder, but there seems to be no mechanism at the moment for them to identify me using FLARM, has anyone tried? Oh and if you want to learn how to make use of that "turbulence", pop along to your local gliding club for a trial lesson and learn how to soar thermals :)
Thanks Bruce. To be Fair to Farnborough LARS, i didn't ask them about gliders. Watch this space, I'm hoping to make a 'special' glider episode very soon!
Sounds great, I'm looking forward to it!
Very interesting seeing how different things are over in the UK vs here in the US
What are the working hours for an ATC in the US?
@@radulica 24/7/365. The only time you HAVE to be in contact with ATC is if youre IFR, in class B or C airspace (densely populated/extremely busy aerodrome) or class A airspace (above 18,000). Also class D (towered airports). Hours at class D facilities vary but are usually 24/7/365. My home airport's hours are 1500-2300. Outside of operating hours we use uncontrolled airport procedures.
We also have whats called flight following, which is voluntary radar service that gives traffic advisories to VFR traffic (workload permitting) anywhere with radar coverage. I believe the UK equivalent to this is "traffic service"
From what I've seen/heard, the US ATC system is much more welcoming to general aviation traffic than the UK's
Very interesting, I was an FI at blackbushe in the 90s so spoke to these folk a lot. I guess the tech has moved on a bit.
I did my PPL there around 99/2000
I'm a GA pilot & I will always, if safe to do so, reroute or change altitude if asked to do so by LARS.....no problem at all.
A really good insight to the folk I've been in comms with & their setup.
Fabulous video Jon. You're a natural. Have you done this type of thing before? (Tee hee!!) No I mean it, its a good 'un and very interesting.
Thanks! Been doing it a while now!
"Sirrrr... can you please maintain less than *alt*? - I need you to maintain less than *alt* because *reason* if you could please, sir. Cheerio."
Vs:
"NXXX - DESCEND AND MAINTAIN (ALT)."
Y'all are so kind.
Neighbouring unit: "Handover, LARS transit" (under a radar service)
Farnborough radar: "Freecall it"
Just remember that, as you approach CPT on a busy day, with aircraft everywhere.
interesting to see how our brothers and sisters over in the UK control traffic across the pond from us controllers in the Washington DC metro area