Fun fact for the Chaos Elfilis fight, in the background you can hear a female voice "Here we are!" on repeat in the background. Since they captured him and used him as essentially a exhibit while experimenting on him, that voice is so ingrained in his mind that even while he is a literal soul without a body, he can still hear it.
One Miiverse post had previously stated that both the Magolor seen in the mainline games and the one seen in the Kirby Clash games are the same one. This was only implied by him suddenly using gem apples (the premium currency of Team Kirby Clash Deluxe and Super Kirby Clash) in Star Allies. It was finally shown in Return to Dreamland Deluxe, which also confirms he was lying about being native to Halcandra.
Thats a very uncharitable description of that game's events. Kirby completely forgot about the fuckin cake after Daroach opened the chest. Kirby saw darkness and Neuron Activation
@@CassiusStelar Untrue. In the Ending of Squeak Squad, he was lamenting the loss of the cake before Daroach returned it in an apology for causing such trouble.
9:50 funny how you mention Gurren Lagann. Kirby Planet Robobot's final attack is likely a reference to that anime and Nintendo America made a tweet that referenced it about Kirby's Drill copy ability in Forgotten Land.
I have to replay that game, preferably on a repaired 3DS with my physical copy. I swear it had the straight-up best use of the 3D mode of all the games I got with that final battle sequence.
To anyone interested in more Kirby Lore: "Designing for Friendship" does a great job at explaining why the Kirby series having such deep, consistent and unsettling lore works so well
Elfelis has an attack called Fermi Paradox Answer. Fun implications there. And while the three Woolie vids don't add much (but they go more in depth about the stuff at times) you probably owe it to yourself to see them for the sheer style alone.
His theme is also called Two planets approach the roche limit, I believe, the roche limit being the distance two celestial bodies can be before their orbits tear each other apart
Oh cool you also did this. Nice. Quick bit of updated lore after this video came out 4:12 Kirby Clash is actually fully canon due to events seen in the Magalor epilogue from Return to Dreamland Deluxe.
By the way, I'm one of the two translators that RPG Monger credited at the end of this video. I didn't give direct input on their video or anything, I'm just the one that retranslated and analyzed any of the issues in FL's localization (Of which were very minor compared to Star Allies or Planet Robobot). The other translator credited, Kai-alone, did the same for Planet Robobot (I actually also did the same for Planet Robobot at nearly the exact same time, coincidentally. I have done so for Triple Deluxe, Return to Dream Land, and Star Allies as well now). Susie is an interesting case where instead the fan translation (Or rather, fans' interpretations of the direct translation of the JP) is more likely misinformation. It's true that the English description mentions that Susie is still mechanizing planets while the Japanese one doesn't mention that. It wouldn't make much sense since she doesn't have a magic supercomputer like Star Dream to let her conquer and mechanize planets like that anyway. However, the Japanese description still says she wants to rebuild her father's company, and she says that in order to use science to aid in creating happy families, she has to eliminate the savages, which was what her father said about Kirby. So it's actually not clear how 'redeemed' she really is in the Japanese text.
Dang it. My head cannon wants to believe in Susie, but knowing what I know of Kirby lore they might leave that morally grey to throw in a mixup later on down the line. Thanks for the extra clarification!
@@TheLegitWeebs I like to believe she believes the dark and aggressive people out to harm the "happy families" are the "savages" to her now, because she clearly has nothing against Kirby or any of his friends this point. Still it feel rather colonial for her to use words like that at all so who knows. :/
Kirby lore is actually super wild as it evolves, since so much is based on nonverbal implications, designs, attack patterns, and pause screens. Early Kirby theories were about Meta Knight, Galacta Knight, and Kirby being the same species. Or Adeleine being the last surviving human from Shiver Star. It’s crazy how far we’ve come with Kirby theories, and how far we still have to go. Btw something not mentioned that I think is neat is that Meta Knight’s sword is the master sword, and it’s presumably made by the same ancients who created the master crown. Void termina uses both the Master crown and Master sword in its attacks.
What really boggles my mind about the Forgotten Land is how much time has passed since its inhabitants left for Dreamland. The Ancients in the main dimension are, well, really really ancient, at least as old as Galacta Knight, likely much older. With time running much faster in the Forgotten Land, Elfilis's percieved amount of time between the ancients leaving and Kirby arriving is just mind boggling, certainly enough time for the life on that planet to also evolve intelligence as they did, which makes me wonder if that's the reason why the writers made time run so fast there, to make itore believable lol. It reminds me of how in Splatoon lore after humans went extinct it only took marine life about 10 thousand years to evolve to the stage humans were at, so in Splatoon 3 they had an explanation of how that was even possible. Star Allies what if scenerio was really cool for the fact that it wasn't just a Meta Knight mode. Star Allies's unique gimmick was the ability to make friends with certain enemies in the levels and have them follow and fight with you, and you could also recruit dream friends which were major characters like Dedede and Meta Knight, but they also ended up adding TONS of them with updates, it's why Monger called it the Infinity War of Kirby in the last video. With this many NPC movesets in the game, that naturally means a bunch of theoretically playable movesets and that's exactly what the what if mode of Star Allies was! Kirby Fighters 2 was also pretty cool for this reason, it was basically a platform fighter that played like a Kirby game. I didn't play too much Kirby Fighters but in Star Allies I mained Susie and Dark Meta Knight when running the challenge modes :) Susie has a laser gun that can be powered up with help from different Allies (like making it an OP flamethrower) and she can also use her mech. DMK just has bigass hitboxes and stuff he covers the screen in swords. Forgotten Land is the first game in awhile at least with zero non-canon content. The whole thing with Elfilis's dream dimension, Morpho Knight, and even the Arena (traditional boss rush mode) all happen in sequence in the post game, following up the main story and tying up loose ends and whatnot. I feel like Kirby lore has only really become super popular in the past 5 years or so, so I see a lot of the ways Forgotten Land changes things up as the developers response to all the new eyes on it. This was Kirby's first fully 3D game and I could see them going the mario route of having both 2D and 3D entries going forward. And I gotta say, Kirby taking so long to attempt 3D was really a godsend, this game isn't 3D just for the sake of it, you can really tell they were enthusiastic to take full advantage of what 3D brings, some of the level designs really blew me away. I can definently vouch for playing it, it might be my favorite. The Switch is also loaded with some of Kirby's best hits in the NSO game bundle things as well as Star Allies and Return to Dreamland Deluxe (the latter I still need to play myself ;-;) Kirby is so appealing it's almost sickening, there's just so much to love, every aspect of the series is made with love from the gameplay to the story to the music to the character designs, it just attracts all types of fans, and I think that's cool, he's truly a little icon :) In terms of new Kirby games, Return to Dreamland Deluxe came out after this and has an extra mode starring Magalor that I know every little about other than it being a roguelike, other than that tho, we gotta just let HAL cook for now
I mean, its basically result of not learning from past that results in making same mistakes as in the past. Like refusing to believe "dude, last time there was x, y happened, if we don't prepare, we are unprepared this time as well"
Theres a game that came out after this one too! Kirby's Return to Dreamland DX is a remake of the Magolor story- where it tied the story of Super Kirby Clash into canon (thus making Galacta Knight/Aeon Hero officially canon!), but it also made the hard mode canon rather than the normal mode of that game, thus making another noncanon boss real in the form of Magolor Soul!
RPG Monger is always a win! Glad his work introduced so many to Kirby! You already clarified that reactions to Thorgi's Arcade are coming(Still super happy about that), but please check out PopCross Studios whenever is possible! Any of his original series(Multiverse Tales, Vigilants or Starseed Psyche) are worthwhile experiences with top-notch storytelling and illustrations!
I'd recomend checking out a video on King DeDeDe redededemption, if you're interested in learning about some of the more specific details about some of the characters. Since this video is more grand scale. I've always love how a lot of people not really too in to Kirby view King DeDeDe as the Bowser to Kirby's Mario, but they've been borderline besties for ages in the game. (I blame his characterisation in Right Back At Ya for this view point. Even if I do like him and his voice a lot in it) If I'm not forgetting anything (which I could be) bro's been on the path of redemption since the extra mode ending to the og itself, Kirby's Dream Land. Kirby 64 was over 20 years ago, I'm pretty sure he doesn't count as even an antagonist anymore.
Now I said last time you could watch Woolies Lore videos if you wanted. It is more detailed, but I don't know if you'll get anything more in terms of 'big reveals' that haven't already been gone over. Although given your clear enjoyment of Nier Automata. How about seeing where it all started? I'm suggesting you watch the nearly six and a half hour long video; The Complete, Unabridged Timeline of NieR by EruptionFang. A daunting watch I know and one you'll have to break into parts, but its touches on everything. All Drakengards, the tie-in mangas, NieR 1 and so on in chronological order. It's very expansive, but rather well presented.
Some spoilers for the remake of Kirby and Return to Dreamland. In Kirby and return to Dreamland Deluxe, there is an additional game mode which is Magolors Epilogue. Essentially, we play as Magolar after defeating him and freeing him from the Master Crown, being very weaken and lost most of his magic. He basically goes through space purgatory where we recover his magic and assemble some crystal apple which got then possessed by the remants of the Master Crown, turning it into some eldritch tree. After defeating this evil, he managed to escaped and it is revealed that he ends up in the KIrby Clash games universe, being the same Magolor who serves as shopkeeper there before somehow ending up back the main universe and made as an apology a theme park for Kirby and co for wanting to become a greedy ruthless overlord of the cosmos and lied and betrayed them before. Our boy got an entire redemption arc and really became a good guy after all. Unless you consider microtransactions in the Kirby Clash games, an equally evil deed.
I just randomly discovered you while browsing videos and I wanna say I really enjoy your reaction videos, especially the two Kirby ones, you actually listen and can follow along to what the original video is explaining and retain info they said before which is NEVER BEFORE SEEN on any friggin’ reaction video 🙄🙄 really like this content Ima subscribe and look at more of your channel!
24:13 They did not. This series has been through like three or four directors (I think that's the position), and the lore thing only really got going starting with Return to Dreamland, whose director has been working on the series ever since. Before that, any sort of lore was very light, the deepest it got being with Dark Matter. It was more like how you described it at 24:20 .
And here we are! And yeah you gotta check out more in deep because Monger's vid skips a few connections and details, such as many final bosses you've already seen, has actual relation with Void/Dark Matter due details or even Attacks Patterns. Showing everything and everyone came from one Single place. Welp, time to enjoy!
Sorry if I sound like forceful, but could you watch the video of "Every Touhou Incident Explained (Th6 - th19)" I just want to see more people react to Touhou Project.
Fun fact for the Chaos Elfilis fight, in the background you can hear a female voice "Here we are!" on repeat in the background. Since they captured him and used him as essentially a exhibit while experimenting on him, that voice is so ingrained in his mind that even while he is a literal soul without a body, he can still hear it.
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Oh darn, I never actually thought of it like that; I thought the repetition of the line was simply meant to unnerve the player.
One Miiverse post had previously stated that both the Magolor seen in the mainline games and the one seen in the Kirby Clash games are the same one. This was only implied by him suddenly using gem apples (the premium currency of Team Kirby Clash Deluxe and Super Kirby Clash) in Star Allies. It was finally shown in Return to Dreamland Deluxe, which also confirms he was lying about being native to Halcandra.
Kirby Can, Will and Has, killed Elder Gods because someone completely unrelated stole his Strawberry Shotrcake.
Thats a very uncharitable description of that game's events. Kirby completely forgot about the fuckin cake after Daroach opened the chest. Kirby saw darkness and Neuron Activation
@@CassiusStelar Untrue.
In the Ending of Squeak Squad, he was lamenting the loss of the cake before Daroach returned it in an apology for causing such trouble.
Tbf, if he didn’t, he probably wouldn’t have gotten any cake, which is sad
@@c0baltl1ghtn1ng Yeah doesn't mean he killed dark nebula BECAUSE of the cake
@@gtbgabe1478Maybe not, but he probably never would have found it if he wasn't looking for the cake
14:23 My favorite quote for this is "History doesn't repeat, but it certainly does rhyme."
9:50 funny how you mention Gurren Lagann. Kirby Planet Robobot's final attack is likely a reference to that anime and Nintendo America made a tweet that referenced it about Kirby's Drill copy ability in Forgotten Land.
Kirby is Based
I have to replay that game, preferably on a repaired 3DS with my physical copy. I swear it had the straight-up best use of the 3D mode of all the games I got with that final battle sequence.
To anyone interested in more Kirby Lore: "Designing for Friendship" does a great job at explaining why the Kirby series having such deep, consistent and unsettling lore works so well
I love that video so much, it’s probably my favorite Kirby lore video aside from the 2 RPG monger has made
I like D4's videos
I'd also recommend looking at his designing for corruption video
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE A REACTION VIDEO TO THAT FOR YEARS!
@@Chara_Dreemurr1 look up SP3, I think they made a reaction video to it, I found it when looking for reactions to it lol
Elfelis has an attack called Fermi Paradox Answer. Fun implications there.
And while the three Woolie vids don't add much (but they go more in depth about the stuff at times) you probably owe it to yourself to see them for the sheer style alone.
His theme is also called Two planets approach the roche limit, I believe, the roche limit being the distance two celestial bodies can be before their orbits tear each other apart
Oh cool you also did this. Nice. Quick bit of updated lore after this video came out 4:12 Kirby Clash is actually fully canon due to events seen in the Magalor epilogue from Return to Dreamland Deluxe.
By the way, I'm one of the two translators that RPG Monger credited at the end of this video. I didn't give direct input on their video or anything, I'm just the one that retranslated and analyzed any of the issues in FL's localization (Of which were very minor compared to Star Allies or Planet Robobot). The other translator credited, Kai-alone, did the same for Planet Robobot (I actually also did the same for Planet Robobot at nearly the exact same time, coincidentally. I have done so for Triple Deluxe, Return to Dream Land, and Star Allies as well now).
Susie is an interesting case where instead the fan translation (Or rather, fans' interpretations of the direct translation of the JP) is more likely misinformation. It's true that the English description mentions that Susie is still mechanizing planets while the Japanese one doesn't mention that. It wouldn't make much sense since she doesn't have a magic supercomputer like Star Dream to let her conquer and mechanize planets like that anyway. However, the Japanese description still says she wants to rebuild her father's company, and she says that in order to use science to aid in creating happy families, she has to eliminate the savages, which was what her father said about Kirby. So it's actually not clear how 'redeemed' she really is in the Japanese text.
Dang it. My head cannon wants to believe in Susie, but knowing what I know of Kirby lore they might leave that morally grey to throw in a mixup later on down the line.
Thanks for the extra clarification!
@@TheLegitWeebs I like to believe she believes the dark and aggressive people out to harm the "happy families" are the "savages" to her now, because she clearly has nothing against Kirby or any of his friends this point. Still it feel rather colonial for her to use words like that at all so who knows. :/
Kirby lore is actually super wild as it evolves, since so much is based on nonverbal implications, designs, attack patterns, and pause screens. Early Kirby theories were about Meta Knight, Galacta Knight, and Kirby being the same species. Or Adeleine being the last surviving human from Shiver Star. It’s crazy how far we’ve come with Kirby theories, and how far we still have to go.
Btw something not mentioned that I think is neat is that Meta Knight’s sword is the master sword, and it’s presumably made by the same ancients who created the master crown. Void termina uses both the Master crown and Master sword in its attacks.
Thanks to KRTDL Deluxe, Galacta Knight IS canon.
I love how they made all of Kirby clash cannon with the Maglor mode. It’s a very Kirby thing to do.
What really boggles my mind about the Forgotten Land is how much time has passed since its inhabitants left for Dreamland. The Ancients in the main dimension are, well, really really ancient, at least as old as Galacta Knight, likely much older. With time running much faster in the Forgotten Land, Elfilis's percieved amount of time between the ancients leaving and Kirby arriving is just mind boggling, certainly enough time for the life on that planet to also evolve intelligence as they did, which makes me wonder if that's the reason why the writers made time run so fast there, to make itore believable lol. It reminds me of how in Splatoon lore after humans went extinct it only took marine life about 10 thousand years to evolve to the stage humans were at, so in Splatoon 3 they had an explanation of how that was even possible.
Star Allies what if scenerio was really cool for the fact that it wasn't just a Meta Knight mode. Star Allies's unique gimmick was the ability to make friends with certain enemies in the levels and have them follow and fight with you, and you could also recruit dream friends which were major characters like Dedede and Meta Knight, but they also ended up adding TONS of them with updates, it's why Monger called it the Infinity War of Kirby in the last video. With this many NPC movesets in the game, that naturally means a bunch of theoretically playable movesets and that's exactly what the what if mode of Star Allies was! Kirby Fighters 2 was also pretty cool for this reason, it was basically a platform fighter that played like a Kirby game. I didn't play too much Kirby Fighters but in Star Allies I mained Susie and Dark Meta Knight when running the challenge modes :) Susie has a laser gun that can be powered up with help from different Allies (like making it an OP flamethrower) and she can also use her mech. DMK just has bigass hitboxes and stuff he covers the screen in swords.
Forgotten Land is the first game in awhile at least with zero non-canon content. The whole thing with Elfilis's dream dimension, Morpho Knight, and even the Arena (traditional boss rush mode) all happen in sequence in the post game, following up the main story and tying up loose ends and whatnot. I feel like Kirby lore has only really become super popular in the past 5 years or so, so I see a lot of the ways Forgotten Land changes things up as the developers response to all the new eyes on it. This was Kirby's first fully 3D game and I could see them going the mario route of having both 2D and 3D entries going forward. And I gotta say, Kirby taking so long to attempt 3D was really a godsend, this game isn't 3D just for the sake of it, you can really tell they were enthusiastic to take full advantage of what 3D brings, some of the level designs really blew me away. I can definently vouch for playing it, it might be my favorite. The Switch is also loaded with some of Kirby's best hits in the NSO game bundle things as well as Star Allies and Return to Dreamland Deluxe (the latter I still need to play myself ;-;)
Kirby is so appealing it's almost sickening, there's just so much to love, every aspect of the series is made with love from the gameplay to the story to the music to the character designs, it just attracts all types of fans, and I think that's cool, he's truly a little icon :)
In terms of new Kirby games, Return to Dreamland Deluxe came out after this and has an extra mode starring Magalor that I know every little about other than it being a roguelike, other than that tho, we gotta just let HAL cook for now
I mean, its basically result of not learning from past that results in making same mistakes as in the past. Like refusing to believe "dude, last time there was x, y happened, if we don't prepare, we are unprepared this time as well"
Yeah Kirby is pretty much an eldritch horror himself vanquishing other eldritch horrors
Theres a game that came out after this one too! Kirby's Return to Dreamland DX is a remake of the Magolor story- where it tied the story of Super Kirby Clash into canon (thus making Galacta Knight/Aeon Hero officially canon!), but it also made the hard mode canon rather than the normal mode of that game, thus making another noncanon boss real in the form of Magolor Soul!
and here we are! and here we are!
RPG Monger is always a win! Glad his work introduced so many to Kirby!
You already clarified that reactions to Thorgi's Arcade are coming(Still super happy about that), but please check out PopCross Studios whenever is possible! Any of his original series(Multiverse Tales, Vigilants or Starseed Psyche) are worthwhile experiences with top-notch storytelling and illustrations!
I'd recomend checking out a video on King DeDeDe redededemption, if you're interested in learning about some of the more specific details about some of the characters. Since this video is more grand scale.
I've always love how a lot of people not really too in to Kirby view King DeDeDe as the Bowser to Kirby's Mario, but they've been borderline besties for ages in the game. (I blame his characterisation in Right Back At Ya for this view point. Even if I do like him and his voice a lot in it)
If I'm not forgetting anything (which I could be) bro's been on the path of redemption since the extra mode ending to the og itself, Kirby's Dream Land.
Kirby 64 was over 20 years ago, I'm pretty sure he doesn't count as even an antagonist anymore.
Now I said last time you could watch Woolies Lore videos if you wanted. It is more detailed, but I don't know if you'll get anything more in terms of 'big reveals' that haven't already been gone over.
Although given your clear enjoyment of Nier Automata. How about seeing where it all started? I'm suggesting you watch the nearly six and a half hour long video; The Complete, Unabridged Timeline of NieR by EruptionFang. A daunting watch I know and one you'll have to break into parts, but its touches on everything. All Drakengards, the tie-in mangas, NieR 1 and so on in chronological order. It's very expansive, but rather well presented.
I Hope You Do his Vid ON metdroid Lore
Some spoilers for the remake of Kirby and Return to Dreamland. In Kirby and return to Dreamland Deluxe, there is an additional game mode which is Magolors Epilogue. Essentially, we play as Magolar after defeating him and freeing him from the Master Crown, being very weaken and lost most of his magic. He basically goes through space purgatory where we recover his magic and assemble some crystal apple which got then possessed by the remants of the Master Crown, turning it into some eldritch tree. After defeating this evil, he managed to escaped and it is revealed that he ends up in the KIrby Clash games universe, being the same Magolor who serves as shopkeeper there before somehow ending up back the main universe and made as an apology a theme park for Kirby and co for wanting to become a greedy ruthless overlord of the cosmos and lied and betrayed them before.
Our boy got an entire redemption arc and really became a good guy after all.
Unless you consider microtransactions in the Kirby Clash games, an equally evil deed.
I just randomly discovered you while browsing videos and I wanna say I really enjoy your reaction videos, especially the two Kirby ones, you actually listen and can follow along to what the original video is explaining and retain info they said before which is NEVER BEFORE SEEN on any friggin’ reaction video 🙄🙄 really like this content Ima subscribe and look at more of your channel!
Since Sakurai said he's focusing on game projects that is not smash bros can be an implication kirby is his main focus right now
Sakurai hasn’t directed a Kirby game since Air Ride, though.
@@interguy5846 Air Ride 2 would go _so_ hard
@@Mare_Man so hoping for that to be reality
i want another kid icarus game from him
@@Witch_of_PandemoniumKIU is such a good game in almost every way. More people need to experience it.
7:41 It was revealed to me in a dream.
At its core a video game is an interactive story so if you consider a story art then so to is a video game
Knowing Sakurai? I'd say there is a pretty high chance that its all pre-planned
I'm absolutely not disagreeing with it being pre-planned, but Sakurai hasn't worked on a Kirby game since Kirby Air Ride on the Gamecube.
@@What_The_Doot my headcanon is that Sakurai left a whole diary with graphics and charts about how everything in the lore of kirby should go
Dayum, I literally JUST commented on the first reaction😅
Yes to woolie lore
I don't remember, has he seen RPG Monger's Metroid lore?
I have not. Will likely check it out soon
Please react to the Designing For series!
24:13 They did not. This series has been through like three or four directors (I think that's the position), and the lore thing only really got going starting with Return to Dreamland, whose director has been working on the series ever since. Before that, any sort of lore was very light, the deepest it got being with Dark Matter. It was more like how you described it at 24:20 .
I love Kirby!
And here we are!
And yeah you gotta check out more in deep because Monger's vid skips a few connections and details, such as many final bosses you've already seen, has actual relation with Void/Dark Matter due details or even Attacks Patterns. Showing everything and everyone came from one Single place.
Welp, time to enjoy!
Sorry if I sound like forceful, but could you watch the video of "Every Touhou Incident Explained (Th6 - th19)"
I just want to see more people react to Touhou Project.
Yay ^_^