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Biblical Counseling vs. Christian Counseling: What’s the Difference?
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2019
- There are some Christians who disagree that the Bible should be used to help us solve our counseling-related problems.
Christians who rely--to one degree or another--on the counseling insights of secular people have been called integrationists, Christian counselors, and Christian psychologists--among other things.
In this video, Dr. Heath Lambert explains how the decision to be a Christian counselor is a theological decision. In order to do that, he will describe areas where biblical counselors agree with their brothers and sisters in Christian counseling, as well as some areas where they disagree.
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Biblical counseling and Christian counseling should not be separate, if the Church is healthy. Spiritual vs Medical counseling should be the separation and difference. Any Christian disagreeing that the Bible should be used, are the ones in need of Spiritual Counseling the most.
Amen!!
I once spoke to a Christian counselor who used both methods, one which worked. I couldn't sleep because I was doing a dramatic presentation in front of my class the next day. I called her at night. She asked me if I was a Christian. I said yes. She asked me why I didn't feel the peace of God that would calm me. Well, I didn't feel any peace. Then she said exactly what I needed to hear. Speaking about my classmates, she said, "They're not there to criticize you." I believe that came from the Lord, because he knows that performance anxiety is strongly tied to a fear of rejection. With her words, I slept like a baby. The performance was impressive.
If it is ever a true "spiritual" issue, secular approaches will always avail nothing. Use that to help guide you on separating the two differences.
The sad part is that Counselors that take a biblical approach are being targeted with LGBT legislation. As a Christian Counselor myself who sees the Bible is our authority, is seeing the writing the wall and the coming persecution. My focus is on learning to trust God more to protect my practice for as long as he wants and that he is in control.
Kiki amen bless you xo
@@laurenbeth4126 God bless you too!
Very good , may God continue to use you.
Thank you for loving God, I don't know many people who do that
@@mahlatsimoroka1500 Sadly, I don't either. In MA there are many "Christians" in name only who get offended when you bring up the Bible. It's upsetting but since this post, God has blessed me with a Bible-Believing church. Hallelujah!
The Bible is the beginning of wisdom, the foundation, not the end.
It is on "Spiritual" matters
The Holy Spirit is called “the councilor”. If you ignore him it not biblical
True, and the Holy Spirit often works through other people.
The word of God is in separable from a Christian. A Christian is a person the follows the word of God that was made manifest about us.
Can't be, the Word of God is our spiritual food. Digestion makes it a part of us, not separable.
Before psychology existed, the bible was enough
Kind of… in the Bible we see that David had anxiety and Depression and Paul had some issues, Moses had anger issues. Etc.
After about 40 years of counseling Christians, I find one serious problem is that the vast majority of counselors aren't any good to begin with. Adding scripture doesn't make that any better. A second serious problem I find is that the vast majority of so-called Christian counselors don't even apply the Bible to their own lives. How will they apply it to the lives of others? Most counselors are just too young to do anyone much good...like I was.
Spirit filled and Spirit led is the key requirement, but yes, many are not concerned with what they are called to do, but what they want to do.
Well yeah even I don’t like to admit it because I can be stubborn but at the end of the day Gods word is alive and powerful and it can help overcome negative thoughts but helping you discern what is true about your identity and what is not
Or giving you the insight to know what’s going on
God can show you things you didn’t know you had an issue with ... things that you want to burry deep inside
I do believe if we trust in the Scriptures, we can solve all of our issues - financial, social, civic, emotional, chemical, physical, biological, mental/psychological, visual, audible, verbal, spiritual, etc.
Note: There is a difference between medicine (surgeries, etc) and Psychology/Psychiatry.
I want to believe God can and will solve my issues by faith. Being a theological argument, Biblical counseling stands and steps forward. I think both solid wisdom and Spiritual Discernment is highly needed here.
"Scripture is sufficient for the reason it exists…to point people toward connecting to God It is not sufficient for: Engineering a bridge Brain surgery Rocket Science Re-wiring a traumatized nervous system Understanding and applying systems theory to re-organizing a family" Bob Hamp
While one should never interpret Scripture according to the "light" of psychology, psychology can be helpful as a faulty commentary on Biblical principles.
You've heard the term: Life Coach, right? Ya, me too. I like the concept, studied it a bit. Talked to a couple of them. Read a book about it & decided.... Not For Me. Secular based. It's just not Christian or Spiritually based enough. But it got me to thinkin'.... We're called the BRIDE OF CHRIST... So why not provide a similar service for actual, genuine BELIEVERS & call yourself a WIFE Coach, instead of a LIFE Coach, right? Dang. I like it...Amen .
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Part of the purpose of the "Church" is just that. As well, part of the explanation for modern Christianity being weaker is that as well. Less mentoring.
ThANK THE LORD
It seems the "Christian" counselors are just secular psychologists that throw in a few Biblical terms every now and then but dont seem to understand the sufficiency (they probably reject or dont know of the inerrancy of Scripture too but thats another topic) of Scripture. Biblical counseling is discipleship.
I’ve gone to someone who advertises themselves as a Christian counselor. I went three times. No prayer, no asking for the Holy Spirit to guide the session, no Scripture mentioned, not once. I’m not going back. I need Biblical guidance and help, not secular psychology. Why do they say they are a faith-based agency?
I would like to respond to this. There are lots of “Christian” counselors that use some unbiblical techniques. There are some unlicensed biblical counselors that claim to treat and diagnose mental health diagnoses. But you legally can’t do that without a license.
@@laurachandler1562 I don’t mind some techniques as long as they don’t contradict scripture. What I’m saying is that prayer and Bible should be incorporated at some level.
The Bible teaches that there is a God, that God is a Trinity. The Bible teaches that God is creator alone and holds absolute authority. The Bible teaches that man turned away from Gods truth to follow man's truth, and all creations was cursed because of this sin. The Bible teaches that man can NOT save himself from Gods wrath, and that a substitutionary attonement would be needed to take that wrath of God. The second person of the Trinity who is the promised Seed, known as the Messiah of God's chosen nation Israel, and as th Christ to the Gentiles, took on flesh as the substitutionary attonement and took God's wrath for all those who would believe on Him, whose name is Jesus Christ. The Bible gives insight to man's sinfulness and even gives insight to righteousness. Secular psychology takes a lot of things out of context which I just mentioned, but just as a medical doctor or veterinarian can view patterns and discrepancies in this natural world, a psychologist can view patterns and discrepancies in human nature and behavior. I believe there is nothing wrong with secular psychology so far as it is looked through the lens of the Bible and understood in context to man's sin and God's authority. A pastor and teacher is adept at studying and interpreting scripture, and applying it to people's lives for guidance, but they are not taught to understand the process of devolvement in the human nature. They understand why, but not how. You take two humans, both who have been betrayed by someone close to them to the extent to cause trauma physically and emotionally, leading to severe trust issues. One has a family behind them that is careful, thoughtful, and patient while the other has either no family or an abusive family. Which human is going to have the easier time transitioning back to a healthy state? A pastor is well equipped to help the first person who then can hand them back over to their family so that he can continue on with his primary job of running the Church, while a psychologist is there to be the help for the one who has no one, to affirm them in Christ and help them when no one else cares.
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Are there any Bible Counselors available online?
Yes I am a Bible counselor
I've been Biblical/Christian Counseling for over 7 years now.
Be careful online, I would suggest, if you can, real contact. The most important thing is that they are Spirit filled and Spirit led, anything less will be from the flesh and worthless at best, confusing and misleading at worst. Finding Churches with leaders called of God, Spirit filled and Spirit led is becoming even more difficult. Again be careful online.
I wonder the reason why people call the Heavenly Father in the Bible as "God"? Just because it is written in the english Bible?
Thank you for clearing that up
Thank you Heath!
I believe the big chasm is the doctrine of regeneration
I want a christian therapist so bad at this point, but they’re so expensive.
Blessings in *Christ.* Were you able to find an affordable Christian therapist?
The best, is clinical counseling and if appropriate for the presenting condition and the patient, integrate Christian based interventions.
Why are counselors taught to insert a fallible, incomplete element (themselves) between the individual needing healing and the infallible, sufficient teachings in Scripture? Why not just encourage those who come for help to read the Bible for themselves?
Using your train of thought we shouldn't seek help for physical health issues then. Just read the bible. - doctors are fallible and are third parties
"Scripture is sufficient for the reason it exists…to point people toward connecting to God It is not sufficient for: Engineering a bridge Brain surgery Rocket Science Re-wiring a traumatized nervous system Understanding and applying systems theory to re-organizing a family" Bob Hamp
The other two replies are concerning secular issues. Spiritual issues, as in your post, can be guided by an individual IF you seek out one Spirit filled and Spirit led. All Christians have different levels of Christian maturity in their walk. Part of the purpose of the Church is to bring together these different levels to aid in each others growth process. In true form, the heart of "spiritual" counseling is helping you grow and strengthen your relationship with Him, where as your post alludes to, is the most important solution to any Christian issue.
Would it work for brain surgery?
I suspect that even the "biblical counselors" wouldn't tell someone to rely only on scripture & prayers to heal a brain tumor -- they might get sued for that. The problem is that when you have schizophrenia & suffer from hallucinations, they would tell you not to seek medical attention & turn to God to heal you broken brain because the scriptures have the solution to all our problems. Th0se ACAB counselors are all male, all have theology degrees, but no formal education in counseling, mental illness, psychology or psychiatry. To them, that's all secular stuff & anti-christian. They care about "glorifying God" above all else, regardless of whether they manage to help you resolve your problems or not. So when your husband doesn't stop beating you despite weeks of biblical counseling, or he continues to gamble until you're broke & end up evicted despite all the prayer & fasting & biblical counseling, you're supposed to stay married to him & put up with all that, in obedience to God's desire that couples never divorce. Because your suffering in a bad even dangerous marriage is nothing compared to Christ's suffering & ultimate death for us on the cross. But if you're having headaches, vision or hearing problems, see an MD, not a counselor.
I basically agree. But, I would add that there is some actual science, mostly in the form of case studies (and other studies of behaviors), that can be useful to Christian counselors if our study of them is illuminated by a solid foundation in the scriptures rather than the philosophies of men. I think that most Christian counselors who look to secular philosophies on the study of the soul, and go to the secular schools of "psychology" become less effective as a Christian counselor rather than more effective. The problem isn't the 12 oz of water in the glass, but the amount of poison added.
how can u look to science on one hand then dismiss it on the other?
@@funkster2009 Good science has good data to back it up. I'm not dismissing science, I'm dismissing pseudo-science that's not based on data. Much of psychology isn't based on any kind of data. Some of it is. In fact I think it's safe to say that most "psychological disorders" are based on little to nothing by way of evidence. People are diagnosed with conditions without any concrete scientific reason for the diagnosis.
On the other hand, there are observations about many behaviors that have good data behind them where the scientific method (which does have some limited value in understanding human behavior) has been applied.
@@donnybowers7832 might i ask what ur profession is? case studies as science ? data on 'psychlogical disorders?' not meaning any disrespect, just trying to understand
@@funkster2009 As I said, there is some scientific data concerning psychology in the area of human behavior. But a large percentage of psychology and "psychological disorders" isn't based on any kind of science or data.
The point of my post was that I agree that scripture is more valid than "psychology", but that we can't discount everything that behavior science has discovered. We should learn what we can from the data that's available. Data, not just case studies, and this has nothing to do with my profession. A professional bum could know this if he was willing to read a little.
I learned a lot about psychology and the behavioral sciences when an old girlfriend was going to college for psychology. I read all of her text books that had anything to do with psychology for 4 years. There is data as well as case studies that can teach us a little about human behavior. And as a Christian counselor (driven by the nature of my ministry) I don't discount all of behavior science. I just place scripture above all other disciplines.
Spiritual council, and its success, will always correspond to the involvement of, or lack of, the Holy Spirit. Anything secular brought in wont avail anything concerning the Spiritual matter.
Yes
A helpful clarification
Let God be true and every man a liar. Sit not in the council of the unGodly it is written. To incorporate secular sophistry with the council of Elohim is to sit in the council of the unGodly.a Christian who says it's a good book but should not be used to council mental health is a Lukewarm Christian who should just admit that the Bible isn't the word from Elohim himself and then become atheist. Because that thinking is as good as telling Elohim that he isn't all knowing and wise enough to know what is best for us. After all that's exactly how non believers reason.
Any Christian can counsel, but only an elder or one licensed to preach can expound the Bible
I disagree, the license is worthless, moreover not "any" Christian can counsel. See the most important thing here is the Holy Spirit, and in both situations. If the leader in the Church is not Called of God, Spirit filled, and Spirit led then you will have someone leading from the power of the flesh, not the Spirit. This is equally important with any spiritual counseling.
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God set a loophole for human psychology against God’s way in the book of Romans if you read it carefully and God will let them eat their own consequences.and boomerang back to hit themselves. God always says: Your move,Dude ! You decide it . I won’t force you. Bless or curse, life or death - you choose and see. (My seminar counseling learning Jay Adams and I collected many counseling material and I stir fry them together and see what is in them, attitude is very important . Sinners counseling sinners. God is cool. We don’t agitate people . Counseling , do not preaching .
Wow! This comment section is full of weirdos and ignoramuses who are making me hate the word "biblical"
False dichotomy
My sister AND father are secular Psychologists. Lol! Not now now nevah will I go to a secular therapist. Everything goes.
There's a lot of writings in the bible that go against Jesus' life example and teachings, such as Paul's letters and the old testament.
When you see the Bible as Inerrant and wholly inspired by God (Trinity) you see Christ as the complete fulfillment of prophecy. There are several things you must consider when looking at the transparency of the Bible; 1) Context, 2) Content, 3)Comparison, 4)Culture, 5) Consultation. These will help you as you interpret the Bible and what Christ was saying to the people.
@@emiliepinson2276 That's why I don't interpret the bible in that elementary way. Because I want to know what Jesus said and did, not Paul, who was a murdering fanatic that never even met Jesus. He self apointed himself as an apostle who led people away from Jesus' Gospel.
@@Consciousnesstransformation I completely understand your reservation with Paul. It's good to wrestle with these questions. While I was pursuing that same question, I saw answers that supported Paul's claims. When you bring God into your questions, and ask God that He reveal the truth to you, He will be there. I believe Paul is revealing God's truth, and does not go against the teachings of Jesus. But that's your journey to discover and your free choice to choose.
@@emiliepinson2276 Jesus' good news was that God was a loving father and humans are siblings that should love each other like ourselves. When we do that, the kingdom of heaven will be on earth. Paul however, taught almost the opposite...that instead of bringing the kingdom of heaven by loving each other, he just said to beleive Jesus was God and you'll be saved. in other words, just stand around and do nothing because you're a miserable sinner. That only Jesus can bring the kingdom of God at some future date. There's no denying Paul went against Gospel.
Jesus' religion was a way of being, while Paul's religion was about belief (that Jesus was God).
@@Consciousnesstransformation you are lying. Paul was taught the gospel by Jesus. For 5 years he was in the desert of Arabia and he was thought heavenly wisdom by Christ.
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