I like your intro about how your channel is about psychology, tech and productivity. want to see more people with an interdisciplinary mindset/interests like this. subscribed.
Thank you very much Thesia. I never thought about it this way until I started thinking about this channel and found that they fit so neatly together. I’ve got a few more psychology-heavy topics ready to post in the next few months.
You forgot to mention that K2 has a significantly larger battery than K3. It's a matter of "Form vs. Function," but for people who care deeply about the longevity of the battery life, it's probably worth mentioning. Also, I feel like you could have had a better comparison with the same switch types (directly comparing two models with two different switches makes it little bit confusing). Also, it's natural that you would have less accuracy with linear switches over more tactile switches.
Thanks Steven. Totally agree that I could have been comparing like/like with the same switches…a few other commenters have noted that the reds on the K3 would have sounded even quieter. Good point about the battery too. 👍🏻
I just got the K2 with blue switches. I didn't get the hot-swappable version, but that's fine. I like the way the switches feel. I didn't even know the K3 existed, TBH. I just went with some recommendations I saw on RUclips and such. I'm curious about the accuracy issue that you bring up, though. I feel like I'm very accurate with the K2, but maybe I just don't know what I'm missing. :) The only thing I don't like about the K2 so far (and I just got it this morning) is that I haven't found any good way to gauge how much battery I have left. Plugging it in to charge shows you whether your battery's low, but it would be nice to be able to know without having to plug it in.
I like the feel of PBT caps. Unfortunately it is impossible to get them for the k3 (especially for the ISO layout). This is the only reason I prefer this chunky brick k2.
Thanks for this very thoughtful video, Mark! I'm currently trying to choose between the K1 and the K8 (where I could get a more serviceable design and hot-swappable volt-actuated switches). That sound comparison between the Magic Keyboard, K3 and K2 really brought home how much louder that full-height design can be.
Thanks for your comment. Yep, I wasn’t exaggerating when I said the K2 used to make so much noise my wife could hear it elsewhere in the house. I’m considering getting the K5 for a low-profile full size option. Let me know how you get on with your K1/K8 challenge!
@@ThatMarkGilroy Well, after seeing your video, the K8 just won’t do, sound-wise, so the challenge is done. Keychron says the K1v5 will be released by the end of the month, so that leaves me (impatiently) waiting, while making do with one of three broken membrane keyboards: - one without functioning F-keys (I need them), - one without functioning arrow keys (I need those, too), or - one that sufffers fromm chatter (
@@colin_foster Looking at keyboards is a full time hobby, let alone servicing them. Since seeing Oliur demo one from Mode I’m very tempted to buy a super premium mechanical keyboard that should last for years and years…watch this space.
This is a VERY good question. I found this video where the presenter installs Crystal Edge key caps on the K3 so it would seem in theory you can put on any buttons you like. Low profile frame but fuller size keys: ruclips.net/video/ETH4r6lfBMw/видео.html
@@ThatMarkGilroy Yes, actually I am. Still need help regarding the k3 because I don't want to invest in the arm rest unnecessarily. So if it doesn't hurt your wrist in prolonged use because of the low profile, I'm certain to buy K3. Your video definitely helped me a lot between these two models and thanks again for that :)
@@kalyanpandey9839 Great stuff. Don’t forget there’s a discount link in the description when you’re ready to buy. I would also say that many other (cheaper and equally capable) wrist rests are available. I just liked the wooden one as it’s made to fit and fits in with my desktop aesthetic.
@@ThatMarkGilroy Thanks Mark, I have ordered one and am very excited to use it. I will try figure out my need to buy a wrist rest once I use it and will definitely check out your new videos as I really did like this one.
Good morning, I watched your video, it’s really fantastic! I had a question what is the length of the cable for the connection. Thank you for answering me. Sincerely,
I agree, the k3 is great. I also really enjoy apple keyboards, and I just don't care for anything that isn't low profile. I now find anything that is not low profile uncomfortable to type on. Right now I'm typing on the original keychron k1, which has chiclet keys like an apple, but I like the k3 even better, especially with red optical switches.
Thanks for the comparison, at the moment considering moving from a microsoft designer keyboard to the a Keytron. I wondered what you thought of portability? I work 2 days in the office and 3 days at home but take the keyboard with me. Would either the K3 or K2 be suitable to be moved around everyday?
Sorry to recommend another video but you’ll find this updated comparison helpful to make a choice for something portable! ruclips.net/video/8ObbWxSVsa4/видео.htmlsi=HjHEZdg2gPsNdQU_
Hi Malius. Sorry I haven’t. Having used the palm rest on the K3 I can imagine that the K2 palm rest would help with any fatigue issues. For me my wrist pain was a combination of no wrist support with the added actuation force needed for the K2 that led me to my decision to keep the K3. Never had any pain with K3 since purchase.
I have a question. I'm a programmer and I type a a lot which cause the joint of my finger painful. Do you know which keyboard is more easy to type which will reduce the pain of typing?
Hi Lomo. I’d say go with something with low/no profile. Definitely not the K2! If you’re not bothered about having a mechanical keyboard, the Logitech master series get great reviews. If you’re wanting something mechanical, either go low profile with something like Keychron K3 or K5. If you’re willing to spend more than $100 have a look at brands like Mode which allow you to custom build a keyboard to suit your needs including things like silicone dampening to absorb the pressure and noise. Let me know how you get on. 👍🏻
5:50 I guess it really does come down to personal preference. I've used Macs for transcript work for more than 10 years now. It's basically just typing day in day out. I switched to K2V2 about 2 months ago and my typing speed is increased immediately and significantly. The key presses of the K2 feel so much lighter than macs', and the deeper actuation point doesn't matter for me, for some reason.
That's so interesting Tomas - thanks for sharing! This is the K2V1 so perhaps there are some differences there....and with brown vs red testing it wasn't exactly a good test for a comparison- too many variables. I wonder if it matters how you learned to type (do people still learn to type these days)?
@@ThatMarkGilroy yeah i should think it matters how one learned to type. I've been typing since my teens in the early 90's so my fingers probably know what's actually best for them. Lol. Thanks for replying, cheers 🍻
Hi Blake. It’s the K3v1 in this video. I recently compared the v1 against the v2 and it’s like a totally different keyboard: ruclips.net/video/Pc_UyvQ3d3M/видео.html TL;DR- would absolutely recommend the K3 over the K2 (for my typing needs anyway).
Hi Alek- you’re right that the BT latency is pretty bad. Sometimes terrible! For me the K3 still outshines the K2 here when wired but that might be as much to do with the brown vs red switches as it is the keyboard itself. Never had an issue with latency for work related usage when wired.
I have to use an Apple Keyboard as my Work MBP M1 only has 2 USB-C slots. So I have no chance of using my Fnatic Mini Streak (MX-Brown). I like the Apple keyboard, but i feel the K3 would mean I could have one keyboard on my desk. I'm not sure how well it would game (PC) - but I've go my Fnatic Mini Streak. Thanks for a great review!
Thank you! Yep, those USB-C only connections are challenging. My MPB is always dongle central. Been considering buying a Caldigit or Anker docking station to create some better IO.
Nice Vid Mark. Can I suggest you would have had different findings if you had the browns and reds the other way around? I like Browns way more than Reds so I too would have chosen K3 but that's about the switch inside, not the model. And you talk about ergonomics while typing with your wrists on the desk which is always going to cause issues at some point down the line. If you types with arms and hands suspended from the shoulder you would not get that pain when using K2. With these two things considered, would the result have been different?
All good points Bruce. I’m actually intending to do a comparison of the K3 v1 (brown switches) as shown in this video and the K3V2 (red switches) in a future vid.
@@ThatMarkGilroy That would be good. Let me know if we can help @keyboardco. And please look at some tweaks on your typing posture to avoid RSI. The Apple magic is creating a timebomb for it's users.
I was under that impression too Ogotuwa. I think the difference is to do with the format of K2 vs K3. If you had red vs brown switches on the K2 it probably would be louder with brown. But because the K3 has the lower-profile keys it’s quite a bit quieter.
This isn’t the version I have but the K3 with red switches should be the quietest that Keychron offer with low profile switches. If you have a higher budget you can get low profile mechanical + quiet clicks but you can pay up to 5 times the price of this one.
Ha! Wouldn’t want to assume. I’ve got the new version with the UK layout coming in the next week or so - interested to see if there are many differences from the first version.
Thanks for the video. I am finding the switch options confusing. I thought the red were meant to be quieter thank blue/brown? Did you try the red in the K3 and brown in the K2? Did you purchase both direct from Keychron? If their shipping/returns policy allows I am tempted to order both and return whichever feels least comfortable.
Yep, had someone else ask the same question recently. I think generally brown is louder than red but the low profile keys on the K3 have a dampening effect. I’m willing to bet K3 with red switches would be even quieter than brown. Yep, I purchased both from Keychron direct. Good idea to purchase both and see what works best for you. Don’t forget there’s a discount code in the description!
@@ThatMarkGilroy Awesome. Thank you. The RGB version is out of stock currently. Might settle for the white backlit version if RGB is not likely to be available again soon.
Boooo! The .UK site doesn't offer the discount code option in the checkout. The .COM site has the RGB version in stock but it looks like they don't offer the version that comes with the UK key caps (and ISO layout).
My K3 recently arrived but I don’t like the keycaps. However, I really like the slimness! I figured I could just swap the keycaps but the K2 keycaps are out of stock -_- I’m starting to wonder how long have the keycaps been out of stock or if I should exchange my K3 for the K2 keyboard ⌨️
Oh no- what didn’t you like about them? Assuming you got the hot swappable version of the K3 you can just swap them out, although you will need to replace the switches as well. Maybe it was the switches you didn’t like…? There’s a useful guide to doing this at ruclips.net/video/9vPenzyWjOA/видео.html
If you are to compare 2 mechanical keyboards, you need to have the same setup otherwise what is the point? You complain that your wrists hurt after some typing with the taller keyboard but you use a palm rest for the lower one? I have both keyboards and with a palm rest, they are almost the same apart for the difference in switches.
Fair point Eric. This was one of my earlier videos - think my tests have gotten a little more scientific in time! I will be covering a comparison of the upcoming K3 Pro against the K3 v2 as soon as it lands so will make sure I’ve controlled as many variables as possible.
Your wrists hurt because you type in a bad position. Your palms shouldn't be touching the table, they should be floating. The wrists should be in a neutral position. With the K2, you can see that your hand is angled because your palm is resting on the table. That's why it hurts so much. The K3 and Magic Keyboard are flatter, and that's why they don't hurt you. In any case, it's bad posture (resting the palms when typing); and you might have other problems. For the K2 or other mechanical classical keyboards, you DEFINITELY need a wrist rest, especially for the way you type :) Great review tho
Well, this was a good video. Thanks Mark. I was looking exactly for this, a comparison between these 2 bad boys. Question: I saw that you are using the Logitech MX Master 3. Do you recommend it? Does it work with your leather pad? Second question: Can you use other switches in the K3 other than Red, Blue & Brown?
Thanks for taking the time to comment Gonzalo! I would definitely recommend the MX Master 3 (mine is the Mac edition without the dongle). It's an absolute king of a mouse and so comfortable to use. The amount of customisations to help it fit your workflow is mind-blowing. And yep, it works just fine on my wooden desk or when on my leather pad. In terms of the switches on the K3. If you want the Gateron mechanical switches your only options are red/blue/brown, but if you choose the optical version this is hot-swappable you should be able to use different options. Might be worth double-checking with Keychron as it's not super-clear from their website : and I quote "*Low profile Keychron Optical switch keyboard is not compatible with any conventional mx style mechanical switch" Let me know how you get on with the K3 - you'll be getting the new improved V2!
Hi there! Currently looking at the K3 from Keychron and can't decide between Red, blue or brown. Given the red's lower force needed I expected a quieter sound from them but after watching your video it sounded much louder on the red keys. i favour my macbook pro keyboard but want something that takes a little more force, but Keychron's website says its up to 57g (from the Mac's 36g) so I'm struggling to visualise it. Any help appreciated!
Hi Jesse. I think the challenge with this video is that it’s not really an apples vs apples comparison. Too many variables. The red switches with the K3 *should* be quieter than the browns, but due to the low profile on the K3 vs the K2 they are louder in this comparison. I would say you’ll be fine with the K3 + red option. Let me know how you get on!
Hi Harkirat. I think it's the combination of the browns + lower-profile K3 keys...if you listen to the recording the K2 sounds so much louder. It's a harsher noise too compared to the softer-sounding K3. Definitely different from what I was led to understand on Keychron's website too!
They hold their value pretty well as they manufacture in relatively small quantities - if you can time your sale with the one you’re selling being out of stock you should make your money back (or better)!
I made the mistake of buying a Keychron K7. What I received was NOT wireless (no dongle included) and, when connected by USB cable, many keys did not work. When I asked Keychron for an RMA, they demanded that I send them a video proving that I had not falsified the results of their keyboard test. Keychron has ignored all my subsequent requests for an RMA and a refund. There are many reputable companies making keyboards. Before buying anything from Keychron, think! Do you want to give your money to a company that treats its customers this way?
@@ThatMarkGilroy true .. also i think since going for mechanical keyboards may be if u can mention those mechanical keyboard quality differences like for example can we replace all caps we want or switches. How many hotswap we can do for each keyboard etc. Did they all support cherry switches. I wanted to learn those as well before i bought. Clearly most mechanical keyboard fan will replac switches or key caps right? Any way thank for video. Good job.
You should definitely check out the new Q1 that Keychron have just released. Sounds like it’d be right up your street! I might treat myself a bit later in the year.
Great video and explanation. However, please clean the equipments you are going to present in a video before shooting the video. It was sad to see those beauties dirty.
@@ThatMarkGilroy Its an important fact , thanks for sharing. Never heard about the ease of cleaning of an equipment from any youtuber. Might be a good topic to talk about in videos. I was planning to buy a K3, now I'll consider this fact as well. Thanks :)
I mainly use a camera lens-cleaning brush and sometimes a pressurised air canister but there are several parts of the K3 which are particularly tricky to keep dust/debris-free!
I just received my K2 today. I wish I had watched your video earlier. You definitely convinced me to buy the K3 now
Oh sorry Kostas! Got a new vid coming soon about the carry case (which fits both keyboards).
K3 fits the middle ground between Apple's magic keyboard and any other mechanical keyboard! Thank you. this is a great video!!
I like your intro about how your channel is about psychology, tech and productivity. want to see more people with an interdisciplinary mindset/interests like this. subscribed.
Thank you very much Thesia. I never thought about it this way until I started thinking about this channel and found that they fit so neatly together. I’ve got a few more psychology-heavy topics ready to post in the next few months.
Dude wha is this subscriber count?! Like your vids are high quality! You deserve at least 4k subs
That’s really kind, thank you! Maybe one day- I’ll keep on making em ☺️
You forgot to mention that K2 has a significantly larger battery than K3. It's a matter of "Form vs. Function," but for people who care deeply about the longevity of the battery life, it's probably worth mentioning. Also, I feel like you could have had a better comparison with the same switch types (directly comparing two models with two different switches makes it little bit confusing). Also, it's natural that you would have less accuracy with linear switches over more tactile switches.
Thanks Steven. Totally agree that I could have been comparing like/like with the same switches…a few other commenters have noted that the reds on the K3 would have sounded even quieter.
Good point about the battery too. 👍🏻
I have the K2V2 and i'm getting the K3V2 next week. I love the K2 it's awesome. looking forward to playing the K3.
Very detailed video with a wide perspective!!
My man, can’t even say how happy I am to find that exact video, thank you so much
That’s really kind- thank you. I made it because I couldn’t find what I was looking for!
Thanks for the great video, your channel will be huge some day - keep up the good work!
That’s so kind of you to stop and comment Chris. Much appreciated. I’ve got some great stuff coming out over the next few weeks!
Great content 👍, I got K3 today coz your review.
Superb - hope you got the discount code in the description!
I just got the K2 with blue switches. I didn't get the hot-swappable version, but that's fine. I like the way the switches feel. I didn't even know the K3 existed, TBH. I just went with some recommendations I saw on RUclips and such. I'm curious about the accuracy issue that you bring up, though. I feel like I'm very accurate with the K2, but maybe I just don't know what I'm missing. :)
The only thing I don't like about the K2 so far (and I just got it this morning) is that I haven't found any good way to gauge how much battery I have left. Plugging it in to charge shows you whether your battery's low, but it would be nice to be able to know without having to plug it in.
You can use your own keycaps without the hotswap function, the hot swap lets you change the switches themselves.
Absolutely right.
Fantastic review!
Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment Adam! Got a K3 V1 vs V2 comparison coming up very soon.
@@ThatMarkGilroy I can’t wait
I like the feel of PBT caps. Unfortunately it is impossible to get them for the k3 (especially for the ISO layout). This is the only reason I prefer this chunky brick k2.
I hear you. I’m looking at getting the Air75 from Nuphy which seems to combine the best of both worlds.
@@ThatMarkGilroy Fantastic keyboard. My colleague owns it. But I have no hope that it will released as ISO.
Thanks for this very thoughtful video, Mark! I'm currently trying to choose between the K1 and the K8 (where I could get a more serviceable design and hot-swappable volt-actuated switches). That sound comparison between the Magic Keyboard, K3 and K2 really brought home how much louder that full-height design can be.
Thanks for your comment. Yep, I wasn’t exaggerating when I said the K2 used to make so much noise my wife could hear it elsewhere in the house.
I’m considering getting the K5 for a low-profile full size option. Let me know how you get on with your K1/K8 challenge!
@@ThatMarkGilroy Well, after seeing your video, the K8 just won’t do, sound-wise, so the challenge is done.
Keychron says the K1v5 will be released by the end of the month, so that leaves me (impatiently) waiting, while making do with one of three broken membrane keyboards:
- one without functioning F-keys (I need them),
- one without functioning arrow keys (I need those, too), or
- one that sufffers fromm chatter (
@@colin_foster Looking at keyboards is a full time hobby, let alone servicing them. Since seeing Oliur demo one from Mode I’m very tempted to buy a super premium mechanical keyboard that should last for years and years…watch this space.
Can I change the low profile buttons on the k3 to full size buttons? (turn k_3 into k_2, as it were).
This is a VERY good question. I found this video where the presenter installs Crystal Edge key caps on the K3 so it would seem in theory you can put on any buttons you like. Low profile frame but fuller size keys: ruclips.net/video/ETH4r6lfBMw/видео.html
@@ThatMarkGilroy thanks, full keycaps +low swiches, it real?
Seems so. Might be worth contacting Keychron to double-check before you buy?
Hey Mark, appreciate the video, I was debating between the two and this video really helped!
Glad to hear it Kabir! And I’ve fixed my referral link if you want a 10% discount on the one you’ve chosen- it’s in the description.
Thank you for your comparison! This is helpful!
Fantastic video, thank you!
Thanks David. K3 V1 vs V2 comparison coming in a few weeks.
Just a small correction, you don't need the hot-swappable version to change the keycaps..
Thanks Nic! Good to know 👍🏻
Amazing video!! the presentation, explanation, and content!! Top-notch!! greate work.
Thank you for taking the time to comment Nagraj. I’ll be posting lots more over the next few weeks.
I dicided to buy keychore K2 V2 blue switch...Probably in four or five days will come home...still in delivery....Hopefully boost the productivity....
Nice. I’m going to be reviewing a blue switch mechanical keyboard in the next few weeks. Looking forward to hearing/feeling the clickiest of switches!
really great and very helpful video! keep up the good work!
Thank you for taking the time to comment. My latest video is an unboxing/review of the travel case for the K3.
Are you planning to buy one of these?
@@ThatMarkGilroy i'm leaning towards the K2 since there's a hot swappable version of it. but K3 does look like it's more convenient to type on.
@@brigitakrista2127 Cool! Would definitely recommend some kind of wrist support for the K2- with that you’ll have no troubles. 😊
Great video dude!
Thanks Kalyan. Are you thinking of buying one of these keyboards?
@@ThatMarkGilroy Yes, actually I am. Still need help regarding the k3 because I don't want to invest in the arm rest unnecessarily. So if it doesn't hurt your wrist in prolonged use because of the low profile, I'm certain to buy K3. Your video definitely helped me a lot between these two models and thanks again for that :)
@@kalyanpandey9839 Great stuff. Don’t forget there’s a discount link in the description when you’re ready to buy.
I would also say that many other (cheaper and equally capable) wrist rests are available. I just liked the wooden one as it’s made to fit and fits in with my desktop aesthetic.
@@ThatMarkGilroy Thanks Mark, I have ordered one and am very excited to use it. I will try figure out my need to buy a wrist rest once I use it and will definitely check out your new videos as I really did like this one.
Thanks for the review, I was considering the K2 but too much of a transition from my current MX KEYS, the K3 is a nice compromise.
Thanks buddy. If you’re coming from MX keys you might like to give some of these a look -
ruclips.net/video/rMnhUbVPzDU/видео.html
Good morning,
I watched your video, it’s really fantastic! I had a question what is the length of the cable for the connection.
Thank you for answering me.
Sincerely,
Thanks mate. The length that it ships with is 1.2m.
i have a MX series both of keyboard and mouse. Can you Suggest me to buy k3 v.2 or not?
I will be able to let you know in detail this week. My next video is a comparison of K3 V1 vs V2!
I agree, the k3 is great. I also really enjoy apple keyboards, and I just don't care for anything that isn't low profile. I now find anything that is not low profile uncomfortable to type on. Right now I'm typing on the original keychron k1, which has chiclet keys like an apple, but I like the k3 even better, especially with red optical switches.
My next one will have the red switches! Thinking about going for the full size K5 next.
Great video. Thanks.
Thanks Douglas. Will be comparing the K3 V1 (shown here) with the V2 in the next few weeks.
Great video quality :D
Thank you my friend 🙏🏻
@@ThatMarkGilroy I will buy Keychron K3 v2 ASAP 😁it's a awesome keyboard. But my area is lock downed, so it'll be a bit harder to buy stuff...
I’m unboxing the K3 travel pouch this week- new video coming soon on that.
Thanks for the comparison, at the moment considering moving from a microsoft designer keyboard to the a Keytron.
I wondered what you thought of portability? I work 2 days in the office and 3 days at home but take the keyboard with me. Would either the K3 or K2 be suitable to be moved around everyday?
Sorry to recommend another video but you’ll find this updated comparison helpful to make a choice for something portable! ruclips.net/video/8ObbWxSVsa4/видео.htmlsi=HjHEZdg2gPsNdQU_
Great video quality... Asmr voice and editing is on point well done
Thank you. Lots more on the way.
Have you tried palm rest with k2? I’m considering between k2 and k3 so i would like to know how different if both using palm rest
Hi Malius. Sorry I haven’t. Having used the palm rest on the K3 I can imagine that the K2 palm rest would help with any fatigue issues. For me my wrist pain was a combination of no wrist support with the added actuation force needed for the K2 that led me to my decision to keep the K3. Never had any pain with K3 since purchase.
What would be the more louder ? K2 Red or K3 Red ?
I guess K3 Red is more quiet and thinking of K3 Brown? Would that be a good option, K3 Brown ?
Due to the lower profile/travel of the keys, K3 will always be quieter than K2. I’m really happy with the K3 brown combination - not too loud at all.
Thanks for the review ..
No problem. Are you thinking of buying either of these keyboards Fajry?
@@ThatMarkGilroy i just bought and still on delivery from e-commerce , k3 v2 brown .. is it worth it ?
I’m really happy with that combination and I’m sure you will be too.
Nice review. Thanks.
Cheers Mark!
Thank you!
Glad it helped!
Enjoyed the presentation and info. Was helpful. Subbed!
Thank you Andie! Are you going for either of these?
@@ThatMarkGilroy thinking about it haha...
Don’t forget there’s a discount code in the description if you do! And let me know how you get on (whichever you go for)!
I like the clicky sound of the k3 because its like the better version of blue switches :D
The V2 of the K3 is a little less clickier but I’m OK with that. Comparison of V1 and V2 over at ruclips.net/video/Pc_UyvQ3d3M/видео.html
Great quality video, mate! Keep it up and you've just got more one subscriber :)
Thank you so much for taking the time to comment Brunno. Got a new Keychron product unboxing coming very soon!
I have a question. I'm a programmer and I type a a lot which cause the joint of my finger painful. Do you know which keyboard is more easy to type which will reduce the pain of typing?
Hi Lomo. I’d say go with something with low/no profile. Definitely not the K2! If you’re not bothered about having a mechanical keyboard, the Logitech master series get great reviews.
If you’re wanting something mechanical, either go low profile with something like Keychron K3 or K5. If you’re willing to spend more than $100 have a look at brands like Mode which allow you to custom build a keyboard to suit your needs including things like silicone dampening to absorb the pressure and noise.
Let me know how you get on. 👍🏻
5:50 I guess it really does come down to personal preference. I've used Macs for transcript work for more than 10 years now. It's basically just typing day in day out.
I switched to K2V2 about 2 months ago and my typing speed is increased immediately and significantly. The key presses of the K2 feel so much lighter than macs', and the deeper actuation point doesn't matter for me, for some reason.
That's so interesting Tomas - thanks for sharing! This is the K2V1 so perhaps there are some differences there....and with brown vs red testing it wasn't exactly a good test for a comparison- too many variables. I wonder if it matters how you learned to type (do people still learn to type these days)?
@@ThatMarkGilroy yeah i should think it matters how one learned to type. I've been typing since my teens in the early 90's so my fingers probably know what's actually best for them. Lol. Thanks for replying, cheers 🍻
@Tomas Soejakto what switch do you use?
Hi Mark. Thanks. A suggestion: The SI symbol for gram is 'g', not 'G'
Thanks. I think I wasn’t able to make the ‘g’ lowercase due to the lower-thirds template I was using, but will keep an eye out next time!
Which would you recommend the white or RGB backlight?
It’s gotta be the white backlight for me. The RGB is fine as a party trick but way too distracting and busy.
what would you say is better the K2 V2 or the K3? (Is that the K2 in the video?)
Hi Blake. It’s the K3v1 in this video. I recently compared the v1 against the v2 and it’s like a totally different keyboard:
ruclips.net/video/Pc_UyvQ3d3M/видео.html
TL;DR- would absolutely recommend the K3 over the K2 (for my typing needs anyway).
I use mye keyboard for both gaming and work, how is the latency on these? Specifically the wired latency, I know bt will be horrendous either way.
Hi Alek- you’re right that the BT latency is pretty bad. Sometimes terrible! For me the K3 still outshines the K2 here when wired but that might be as much to do with the brown vs red switches as it is the keyboard itself. Never had an issue with latency for work related usage when wired.
I have to use an Apple Keyboard as my Work MBP M1 only has 2 USB-C slots. So I have no chance of using my Fnatic Mini Streak (MX-Brown). I like the Apple keyboard, but i feel the K3 would mean I could have one keyboard on my desk. I'm not sure how well it would game (PC) - but I've go my Fnatic Mini Streak. Thanks for a great review!
Thank you! Yep, those USB-C only connections are challenging. My MPB is always dongle central. Been considering buying a Caldigit or Anker docking station to create some better IO.
Nice Vid Mark. Can I suggest you would have had different findings if you had the browns and reds the other way around? I like Browns way more than Reds so I too would have chosen K3 but that's about the switch inside, not the model. And you talk about ergonomics while typing with your wrists on the desk which is always going to cause issues at some point down the line. If you types with arms and hands suspended from the shoulder you would not get that pain when using K2. With these two things considered, would the result have been different?
All good points Bruce. I’m actually intending to do a comparison of the K3 v1 (brown switches) as shown in this video and the K3V2 (red switches) in a future vid.
@@ThatMarkGilroy That would be good. Let me know if we can help @keyboardco. And please look at some tweaks on your typing posture to avoid RSI. The Apple magic is creating a timebomb for it's users.
I was under the impression that the red key switches were the quietest?
I was under that impression too Ogotuwa. I think the difference is to do with the format of K2 vs K3. If you had red vs brown switches on the K2 it probably would be louder with brown. But because the K3 has the lower-profile keys it’s quite a bit quieter.
@@ThatMarkGilroy thank you for clarifying that.😀
I hesitate between the K3 and the magic keyboard... I don't want loud clicks
This isn’t the version I have but the K3 with red switches should be the quietest that Keychron offer with low profile switches. If you have a higher budget you can get low profile mechanical + quiet clicks but you can pay up to 5 times the price of this one.
Thank you bro you really made it easy for me to choose between those 2 bad boys
You’re welcome Sam. Which did you go with?
And don’t forget that discount link in the description!
@@ThatMarkGilroy Of course I am going for K3 can’t wait for my new keyboard🤩🤩
Ha! Wouldn’t want to assume. I’ve got the new version with the UK layout coming in the next week or so - interested to see if there are many differences from the first version.
@@ThatMarkGilroy wow will you make a video about that?
Absolutely 👍🏻
Good video
Thank you!
Thanks for the video. I am finding the switch options confusing. I thought the red were meant to be quieter thank blue/brown?
Did you try the red in the K3 and brown in the K2? Did you purchase both direct from Keychron? If their shipping/returns policy allows I am tempted to order both and return whichever feels least comfortable.
Yep, had someone else ask the same question recently. I think generally brown is louder than red but the low profile keys on the K3 have a dampening effect. I’m willing to bet K3 with red switches would be even quieter than brown.
Yep, I purchased both from Keychron direct. Good idea to purchase both and see what works best for you. Don’t forget there’s a discount code in the description!
@@ThatMarkGilroy Awesome. Thank you.
The RGB version is out of stock currently. Might settle for the white backlit version if RGB is not likely to be available again soon.
Boooo! The .UK site doesn't offer the discount code option in the checkout.
The .COM site has the RGB version in stock but it looks like they don't offer the version that comes with the UK key caps (and ISO layout).
My K3 recently arrived but I don’t like the keycaps. However, I really like the slimness! I figured I could just swap the keycaps but the K2 keycaps are out of stock -_- I’m starting to wonder how long have the keycaps been out of stock or if I should exchange my K3 for the K2 keyboard ⌨️
Oh no- what didn’t you like about them? Assuming you got the hot swappable version of the K3 you can just swap them out, although you will need to replace the switches as well. Maybe it was the switches you didn’t like…?
There’s a useful guide to doing this at ruclips.net/video/9vPenzyWjOA/видео.html
If you are to compare 2 mechanical keyboards, you need to have the same setup otherwise what is the point? You complain that your wrists hurt after some typing with the taller keyboard but you use a palm rest for the lower one? I have both keyboards and with a palm rest, they are almost the same apart for the difference in switches.
Fair point Eric. This was one of my earlier videos - think my tests have gotten a little more scientific in time! I will be covering a comparison of the upcoming K3 Pro against the K3 v2 as soon as it lands so will make sure I’ve controlled as many variables as possible.
@@ThatMarkGilroy , glad to know Mark. Keep up the good work :)
Your wrists hurt because you type in a bad position. Your palms shouldn't be touching the table, they should be floating. The wrists should be in a neutral position. With the K2, you can see that your hand is angled because your palm is resting on the table. That's why it hurts so much. The K3 and Magic Keyboard are flatter, and that's why they don't hurt you. In any case, it's bad posture (resting the palms when typing); and you might have other problems. For the K2 or other mechanical classical keyboards, you DEFINITELY need a wrist rest, especially for the way you type :) Great review tho
Thanks Pol. Yep, You’re absolutely right- whenever I have a DSA at work this is pointed out to me…bad habits die hard and all that. 🤦🏻♂️
Why do they make keyboards which force you to have bad posture?
tnx
Well, this was a good video. Thanks Mark. I was looking exactly for this, a comparison between these 2 bad boys.
Question: I saw that you are using the Logitech MX Master 3. Do you recommend it? Does it work with your leather pad?
Second question: Can you use other switches in the K3 other than Red, Blue & Brown?
Thanks for taking the time to comment Gonzalo!
I would definitely recommend the MX Master 3 (mine is the Mac edition without the dongle). It's an absolute king of a mouse and so comfortable to use. The amount of customisations to help it fit your workflow is mind-blowing. And yep, it works just fine on my wooden desk or when on my leather pad.
In terms of the switches on the K3. If you want the Gateron mechanical switches your only options are red/blue/brown, but if you choose the optical version this is hot-swappable you should be able to use different options. Might be worth double-checking with Keychron as it's not super-clear from their website : and I quote "*Low profile Keychron Optical switch keyboard is not compatible with any conventional mx style mechanical switch"
Let me know how you get on with the K3 - you'll be getting the new improved V2!
Hi there!
Currently looking at the K3 from Keychron and can't decide between Red, blue or brown. Given the red's lower force needed I expected a quieter sound from them but after watching your video it sounded much louder on the red keys.
i favour my macbook pro keyboard but want something that takes a little more force, but Keychron's website says its up to 57g (from the Mac's 36g) so I'm struggling to visualise it. Any help appreciated!
Hi Jesse. I think the challenge with this video is that it’s not really an apples vs apples comparison. Too many variables. The red switches with the K3 *should* be quieter than the browns, but due to the low profile on the K3 vs the K2 they are louder in this comparison. I would say you’ll be fine with the K3 + red option. Let me know how you get on!
you say the browns are louder? Thats different from what keychron says on their website
Hi Harkirat. I think it's the combination of the browns + lower-profile K3 keys...if you listen to the recording the K2 sounds so much louder. It's a harsher noise too compared to the softer-sounding K3.
Definitely different from what I was led to understand on Keychron's website too!
I had to purchase the K1 104 & K10 104 I couldn’t make up my mind I’ll keep the one I like and sell the other
They hold their value pretty well as they manufacture in relatively small quantities - if you can time your sale with the one you’re selling being out of stock you should make your money back (or better)!
I made the mistake of buying a Keychron K7. What I received was NOT wireless (no dongle included) and, when connected by USB cable, many keys did not work. When I asked Keychron for an RMA, they demanded that I send them a video proving that I had not falsified the results of their keyboard test. Keychron has ignored all my subsequent requests for an RMA and a refund.
There are many reputable companies making keyboards. Before buying anything from Keychron, think! Do you want to give your money to a company that treats its customers this way?
Oh no Robert that’s awful. I haven’t any experience of the K7 but that is a terrible way to treat customers.
Epic weejio
Thanks Uncle Roger!
Clearly you are coming from apple keyboard so ur wpm is higher in magic keyboard. Hard to get right perspective from those tests imo.
Hadn’t thought about that. Good point. The tests were pretty inconclusive apart from the 100% accuracy on K3 which I think is significant.
@@ThatMarkGilroy true .. also i think since going for mechanical keyboards may be if u can mention those mechanical keyboard quality differences like for example can we replace all caps we want or switches. How many hotswap we can do for each keyboard etc. Did they all support cherry switches. I wanted to learn those as well before i bought. Clearly most mechanical keyboard fan will replac switches or key caps right? Any way thank for video. Good job.
You should definitely check out the new Q1 that Keychron have just released. Sounds like it’d be right up your street! I might treat myself a bit later in the year.
Great video and explanation. However, please clean the equipments you are going to present in a video before shooting the video. It was sad to see those beauties dirty.
Thanks Yigit! I’ll do better cleaning them next time. Fun fact- the K3 is much harder to clean than the K2.
@@ThatMarkGilroy Its an important fact , thanks for sharing. Never heard about the ease of cleaning of an equipment from any youtuber. Might be a good topic to talk about in videos. I was planning to buy a K3, now I'll consider this fact as well. Thanks :)
I mainly use a camera lens-cleaning brush and sometimes a pressurised air canister but there are several parts of the K3 which are particularly tricky to keep dust/debris-free!
Apply Magic kb ftw
I feel vindicated 😊
Video is too contrasty
Thanks. I totally agree.
36 wpm average lmao
Interesting eh? What’d you get Alex?
@@ThatMarkGilroy 65 lmao