Heimerdinger is right: Hextech is dangerous and is being rushed. Jayce is right: Humans don't live for centuries and just waiting for things to get better doesn't solve anything. I side more with Jayce in this instance; Heimerdinger isn't evil, but he is inefficient and out of touch. He's also quick to tell people what not to do, but doesn't have any plans of solutions himself. Granted, Jayce is acting emotionally. His friend, someone like a brother to him, is dying, and Heimerdinger wants to destroy the one thing that might be able to help him. It's a hard situation all around. The Vi and Jinx reunion was very well done. Credit to Vi, she said and did all the right things, reassuring Jinx and trying to de-escalate the situation. Unfortunately, as they so often do around Jinx, things went wrong.
Jayce may be emotional but he has evidence and points and brings them up. He exclaims what being under Heimerdinger's rule is doing to Piltover/Zaun, but Heimerdinger still thinks this is only about the Hextech. When Jayce brought up the damage, Heimerdinger ignores the damage and ruins and goes for saying that 'Hextech needs more time, more safe guards' I don't side with either because both are in the wrong but have good traits, but Heimerdinger needs a wake up call and sadly, that's the best case scenario. Heimerdinger won't be kicked out of the streets or his lineage as the Father of Piltover won't be damaged, he's retiring, meaning he can still live in that big mansion he calls home and won't be part of the council. Heimerdinger may have been there for Jayce, but there is only so much you can notice before you realize that your friend is doing more damage than on the surface, even if they're right. Sorry about the word vomit but I do love having conversations about Heimerdinger's character writing because it's a flawed beauty.
You are totally on point there. It is wise to be safe when it comes to new technology, but, when you consider the lifespan of a human versus what Heimerdinger is, humans really can’t afford to wait otherwise we’ll all be dead before anything good happens or any good can be done. Especially when risks breed a lot of innovation in the first place.
I've seen quite a few recognize him, it's good though they didn't miss that. The React Pack I will say have good intuition and insight, watching other reactors be way off is hard to watch sometimes.
Oooo boi, when she lit that flare and the music kicks in 😳....chills, every time. How they show Powder's PTSD and trauma too, it's such sad and beautiful (and messed up) visualisation. Great reaction ya'll 😁👍 P.S next episode is probably my favourite, can't wait
also watch Mylos face... he only has 3 expressions... mad... hurt... and blank.... when blank hes telling her things she doesnt wanna hear... when mad hes making her mad when hes in anguish he feels her pain
I'm not sure if this is actually the case but the saddest part to me is when they took Vi and Caitlin, Jinx thought the entire thing was in her head and no one was actually there. Which makes it even more heartbreaking when Jinx asks her "are you real?"
I think that's why they explicitly show them cutting her leg - cause it's a proof to Jinx, that the fight actually happened and it wasn't her imagination
To build on hiemerdinger noticing something changed viktor probably has to do with the fact that all yordles are inherently magical, some more than others etc. Think of them as gnomes, they magical beings of sorts, and at best are avoided in runeterra because of their reputation to cause trouble although that has been more or less retconned in Arcane (for the better in my opinion.) So hiemer got the spidey sense.
Official Yordle lore seems to be kinda wonky at this point - they're also said to not be perceived as fuzzy little things (but as humans for example) by normal people, but they obviously are in Arcane (and other cinematics). Not sure if they just retconned that, since that would lead to other inconsistencies like basically invalidating Poppy's lore
@@thescholarsarchives5002 all yordles have inherent transformation or a illusion magic, not sure one of the two they have, to make them look like humans some dont use it cuz they dont care, as in the cinematic that graves imprison some of them, so Demacia only thinks Poppy is a really short person otherwise she would already be kicked out of demacia, we see them normal so we know who is a yordle.
Heimendinger doesn't actually know what will happen with the Hextech. He's seem something similar, but he doesn't know for certain. Not saying that he's wrong about the new development of the Hextech, but if they listened to him back in episode 2 there would be no Hextech development which has made Piltover world-renowned and successful over recent years.
12:26 I've watched *SO many* Arcane reactions at this point. I so wholeheartedly appreciate that there are 3 of you in this instance, as it allows for so much more depth, thought, and exploration of the show.
i think the difference heimerdinger saw in viktor was just minutiae in his appearance. if you go back and compare, he looks a bit healthier and had more energy after he touched the hexcore than he did before; he just didn't look quite as haggard.
@@adrianopairetti3417 It's a little of both. The flower that's being fed to Rio is a big ingredient of what makes Shimmer. Through Rio's digestive system, somehow Shimmer comes out most likely. But it's both, the flower is needed to make it, so Rio is ingesting it, to make the liquid.
the flare scene and the ending of episode 3 are probably my favorite parts of the show. dont get me wrong, there are many moments in the show that are amazing, but those two really got me.
something i love about this ep is the very last frame of the very last scene, they through in the white lines that indicate jinx/powders mental breaking. I think its more heartbreaking to imagine the split second after the smoke clears and she is left to imagine if she really did reunite with her sister and then she got taken away or was it just all a convenient delusion she is telling herself. I this idea is reinforced with the line "are you real?". Jinx has prob "seen" or "heard" vi many times over the years when she wasn't actually there. Big sadge
Powder is so traumatazed that she has constantly images in her head, so thats why she ask "are you real" because she didnt knew if it was another fake deslusional off her. This moment is really touching.
@3:16: "She does know how to use it. She knows what power it has. She's seen it, so, it's kind of a dangerous thing to be releasing." Presented without context. :P
Singed (The scientist that works for Silco) only worked with Silco because Silco allowed him to do what he wanted regarding pushing the boundaries of Science. He mentions in one episode that he stopped working with Heimendinger because Heimendinger's idea of science would only go as far as his morals would allow. There is a great video here on RUclips that described Singed in more detail stating that the difference between him and scientists like Jayce and Heimendinger is his approach to death. Where other scientists accept it as a natural process of life, Singed seeks to conquer and redefine death itself, by any means necessary... That's why though Rio is death by our standards, she is still alive by Singed's standards because her mutation is still thriving. I believe he mentioned having a daughter once, which implied that he failed to save her, which could possibly explain his obsession with conquering the natural process of death. Singed isn't concerned with right and wrong. He is amoral. He only cares about scientific progress, no matter the methods. Link to the video I'm referencing: ruclips.net/video/2illj8F59d0/видео.html&ab_channel=LoyMeetsWorld
Heimerdinger being a yordle, he's kind of in touch with the spirit world and the various energies of nature, though he's much more scientifically minded than most of his kind. He can probably feel a subtle change in Viktor's essence, more or less, since his blood merged with the hex core and he laid his hand on it at least once. Heimer's outlook definitely doesn't help things for others, for sure. He's 310+ years old by this point but that's not even old for Yordle standards. Technically there probably isn't an 'old' for Yordles since they're essentially fae creatures, ageless spirits more than anything. There are some Yordles that are over a thousand years old comparatively, even at 300 years Heimer is actually still relatively young. The timeline might be different for Arcane though, since it is explicitly a different canon than the main timeline, but that should still hold true for the most part.
Am glad the appreciation and warmth for Viktor is there more. Wouldn't feel too bad though, its actually a pretty common phenomena where people subconsciously tend to attribute higher moral and ethical character to conventionally attractive characters, and less to people less conventionally attractive. Knowing how deliberate and well thought out Arcane is, they also probably done this on purpose, by introducing Viktor and Jayce the way they did. Viktor does have "villain vibes" because he is pale, skinny, frail, gaunt, has unkempt hair, has a obvious "foreign" accent, and was standing beside square jawed, cute, pretty boy Jayce, with his shoulders, smile, twinkle in the eye, yadda yadda. It sets up an interesting dynamic. Show also likes to make you reconsider your initial gut assumptions. I mean I think Viktor and Jayce are both attractive, to be clear, but "conventional beauty standards and coding etc". Consider how they are viewed by others as well, not in a competitive way, but just ideas and themes around value, celebrity, how different people treat them, their backgrounds, their similarities (science bros) and their differences (poor and wealthy), even consider the the attractions they experience, Sky vs Mel, and of course their low points where they both consider taking their lives. The attraction thing though is kind of messed up, not just for people generally considered not conventionally attractive, but also conventionally attractive people as well, because it undermines any actual sincere ethical and moral strengths you might have worked on, because people are too focused elsewhere, and they also can't distinguish your strengths, if you may be standing next to someone about as attractive, but much more ethically or morally flawed. Heimerdinger and Jayce conflict is pretty tricky grey area too. Like others have pointed out and discussed, this isn't the first time Heimerdinger was apprehensive and outright ordered Jayce to stop his progress/technology, and ordered the research to be destroyed, and in that instance, when Jayce and Viktor actually showed results... Heimerdinger ended up going with it, and we ended up with Hex Tech. I'll be blunt, I think it was really rude how they kicked Heimerdinger out, but Heimerdinger isn't a flawless or shiny beacon of morality. He has an "Authoritarian parenting" style, when an Authoritative style would probably work wonders. To elaborate, his communication is very one sided, and he just makes demands. "Don't do this. You don't understand the danger. I will see this destroyed" etc he doesn't actually try to explain to them, the worries and issues he sees, or his past experiences, or elaborate or explain or.. he just uses his age and authority. Maybe if he was more open and communicative with his concerns and why as a scientist he thinks such technology could be abused, appropriated in specific, detailed ways. Then all three could work on safeguards and safety measures, and putting as much emphasis on risk management as well as speed of progress. I mean in an ideal world. Instead, he can seem skittish and fearful, and also he has shown, that if you just ignore him and get results, he will probably end up changing his mind and then rewarding you. Also, I don't think its the case here, but a common argument and stance used by many in the face of progress is to appeal to the idea to slow down, otherwise we risk civil unrest. Heimerdinger seems personable and wise, in person, but he is out of touch, and probably struggles to really relate and understand people with shorter lifespans. If he lived in reality, he would have existed before Women's Suffrage, various Civil Rights movements, etc and a lot of those struggles weren't pretty or neat, and many many people were hurt/killed. To be clear, its not the same. I don't know enough about Arcane magic or setting to make any informed or educated stances on how "dangerous" the progress is being made by Jayce/Viktor but... if Heimerdinger is so concerned, he could be doing a way better job or working with and alongside Jayce and Viktor to help them understand, instead of thinking resisting their scientific curiosity and desire to help people would work. Since on that topic, what the hell has Heimerdinger actually done to help people? Why is there an Undercity, why are their literal kids fighting and dying on the those streets? To be clear I like the character, and bet he has done a lot of good over his life, but people in his position, should take steps to make sure they don't lose touch with the people around them (think rich politicians who are clueless about the struggles of every day people or people in poverty). He basically needs to try and account for his life span, and find ways to relate to and see why/how some people won't be content waiting decades, when they see others struggling and dying around them. Many of his concerns are worthy of consideration and probably accurate (the potential for Jayce and Viktor's technology to be WMD) but then he should be that guiding force to ensure safety protocols are met, not to try and force the genie back into the bottle. Finally finally, Sam asked a great question about Jinx/Powder. Will she think that Vi had ill intentions or believe Vi was there for her? I think the really sad thing about her character? Which also applies to various mental health issues, and certain disorders, like BPD, psychosis, schizophrenia etc etc is that... Jinx will never actually know one way or another for sure. Doubt, second guessing, insecurities, invasive thoughts, will find ways to make her question herself, over and over and over, flipping and reversing, and reopening fresh wounds, old wounds. Just the degree and severity might change. Even if she got reassurance, such questions will haunt and plague her, and find ways to be twisted. Which sucks for her and for Vi too, because it can be hard trying to reach and reassure a loved one, to try and give them stability and security and yeah, its sucks even more because, welp, no signs of good mental health services in their setting. Not that most countries mental health facilities/infrastructure are optimal, we still have a lot to improve on. So I found the question very poignant and bittersweet. Anyway, the answer to the question ends up being more about management, and learning healthy coping habits, so even if one answer or scenario is dominant, you sort of make the best of it.
[Some lore from LoL to Jinx's weapons name, maybe a spoiler if the series says the weapon names in the second season or later, read at ur own risk] Vi call Jinx Pow-pow when they meet again, Pow-pow is the name of Jinx's mini gun(machine gun).
Btw you guys said if this is an one season thing but I don't think it will be like that. Because this was just a tiny bit of league of Legends lore. If they wanted to cover the whole lore it would take a lot of seasons
The doctor is named Singed. They don't say it in Arcane but he's a playable character from the game. In arcane everyone kinda falls in a morally gray area, like even our "bad guy" Silco isn't evil if you're a poor kid from the undercity. Silco accomplishing independence and creating the nation of Zaun would provide a better life for a lot of people, Silco's just willing to do awful stuff to accomplish his goals. The one exception is the doctor...he's pretty fucked up...you'll see why.
It INFURIATES ME that the founder of the city can be kicked out just like that.. But I also know Heimerdinger is about to become one of my all time favourite characters because it does open up space for an amazing plot line :P
Just because he's a founder doesn't mean he should remain in a position of power. That's be akin to being a dictator otherwise. Theres a reason the decision had to be UNANIMOUS.
He also never offered anything besides words of encouragement/discouragement. Never did he provide any solutions and immediately deflected from Jayces valid criticism of what his leadership has caused.
@@jonathanjohnson6727 exactly. Heimerdinger was stuck in the past and keeps thinking tht everything he doesnt understand leads to disaster. And yet he ceases to see the problem tht are right infront of him.
It's also not true to say that Jace never listened to him. In episode 4 he sides with Heimerdinger in not revealing the fortified hex gems even though that decision clearly disappointed Mel and Victor. It's only when the life of his friend, the one who saved his life, is on the line that he decides to take sides against Heimerdinger. And even then he's clearly struggling with the decision, feeling bad about it. I honestly can't blame him for doing so, even though I wish he'd tried harder getting Heimerdinger to see his side and maybe coming to a compromise over just kicking him out of the council. Then again, maybe that was what's necessary for Heimerdinger to actually get out of his comfort zone and see the world as it is.
No what happened to heimerdinger wasn't sad. Heimerdinger lacked a basic understanding that time is somethinng humans dont have. We invent a seatbelt we use it right away, we dont have 200 years to invent the perfectly 100% safe car to go with it. what happened to heimerdinger was not sad, it was inevitable.
Heimerdinger's "decade" estimate was just off-the-cuff, and probably not even accurate. What Heimerdinger should have emphasized was the direction their efforts should be taking--adding more safeguards against misuse--rather than some silly estimate of how much time they should spend on it. For all he knows, proper safeguards might only take a couple of years to develop, not a whole decade. And while Jayce is designing safeguards, Viktor can still be following up on the biological end of the research. Heimerdinger doesn't want all research to stop, he just wants to keep Hextech from being put into the hands of the citizenry at large until those safeguards are in place. Viktor's life can still be saved while making sure Hextech is safe for the general public. It doesn't have to be an either-or situation, and setting it up that way was a bit of sloppy writing, IMO.
Which is why he will never see eye to eye with some people. For someone who is 300 years old. He still doesnt understand the impatience of human. He sees everything in his own perspective and is naive and goody two shoes. His only argument revolves around his age and what he saw Thats it
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- SO CUTE.
- She's dying.
- Oh.
That’s basically everyone haha
I will always appreciate that, despite her desire to find Powder as quickly as possible, Vi still took the time to flip someone off.
LOL she's iconic
The moment at 23:23 when Caitlyn and Vi are having their gay moment, the edit of your faces zooming in is hilarious. Love your reactions!
IKRRR. Totally hilarious and absolutely on point. You can’t help that those sideways hilarious glances meaning “yeeeeah”.😆☺️❤️ So awesome.👌🏼
I was literally laughing out loud at that edit hahaha
Heimerdinger is right: Hextech is dangerous and is being rushed.
Jayce is right: Humans don't live for centuries and just waiting for things to get better doesn't solve anything.
I side more with Jayce in this instance; Heimerdinger isn't evil, but he is inefficient and out of touch. He's also quick to tell people what not to do, but doesn't have any plans of solutions himself.
Granted, Jayce is acting emotionally. His friend, someone like a brother to him, is dying, and Heimerdinger wants to destroy the one thing that might be able to help him. It's a hard situation all around.
The Vi and Jinx reunion was very well done. Credit to Vi, she said and did all the right things, reassuring Jinx and trying to de-escalate the situation. Unfortunately, as they so often do around Jinx, things went wrong.
Jayce may be emotional but he has evidence and points and brings them up. He exclaims what being under Heimerdinger's rule is doing to Piltover/Zaun, but Heimerdinger still thinks this is only about the Hextech. When Jayce brought up the damage, Heimerdinger ignores the damage and ruins and goes for saying that 'Hextech needs more time, more safe guards' I don't side with either because both are in the wrong but have good traits, but Heimerdinger needs a wake up call and sadly, that's the best case scenario. Heimerdinger won't be kicked out of the streets or his lineage as the Father of Piltover won't be damaged, he's retiring, meaning he can still live in that big mansion he calls home and won't be part of the council. Heimerdinger may have been there for Jayce, but there is only so much you can notice before you realize that your friend is doing more damage than on the surface, even if they're right.
Sorry about the word vomit but I do love having conversations about Heimerdinger's character writing because it's a flawed beauty.
You are totally on point there. It is wise to be safe when it comes to new technology, but, when you consider the lifespan of a human versus what Heimerdinger is, humans really can’t afford to wait otherwise we’ll all be dead before anything good happens or any good can be done. Especially when risks breed a lot of innovation in the first place.
@@danielwhyatt3278 Thanks.
Congrats on being the only reactors I've seen who recognize the doc from Silcos team!
Ha, damn, you're right. That's been weird lol 😆
Ooooo big braiiinnns -Morgan
Really? most popular reactions to this I’ve seen recognised him.
I've seen quite a few recognize him, it's good though they didn't miss that. The React Pack I will say have good intuition and insight, watching other reactors be way off is hard to watch sometimes.
Yeah I’ve noticed that as well I think.
This episode really got me in the feels with the reunion of Vi and Powder/Jynx.
The tears were definitely welling up -Morgan
Oooo boi, when she lit that flare and the music kicks in 😳....chills, every time. How they show Powder's PTSD and trauma too, it's such sad and beautiful (and messed up) visualisation. Great reaction ya'll 😁👍
P.S next episode is probably my favourite, can't wait
INSTANT CHILLS, it’s so beautifully tragic -Morgan
also watch Mylos face... he only has 3 expressions... mad... hurt... and blank.... when blank hes telling her things she doesnt wanna hear... when mad hes making her mad when hes in anguish he feels her pain
I'm not sure if this is actually the case but the saddest part to me is when they took Vi and Caitlin, Jinx thought the entire thing was in her head and no one was actually there. Which makes it even more heartbreaking when Jinx asks her "are you real?"
I think that's why they explicitly show them cutting her leg - cause it's a proof to Jinx, that the fight actually happened and it wasn't her imagination
To build on hiemerdinger noticing something changed viktor probably has to do with the fact that all yordles are inherently magical, some more than others etc. Think of them as gnomes, they magical beings of sorts, and at best are avoided in runeterra because of their reputation to cause trouble although that has been more or less retconned in Arcane (for the better in my opinion.) So hiemer got the spidey sense.
Oooooo a little spidey sense, that’s a good insight actually ty!! -Morgan
Yes, and he has lived and saw much more than every1 in the series, like he said he has time.
Plus Viktor's demeanor is different in Episode 6 vs when we see him in Episode 2.
Official Yordle lore seems to be kinda wonky at this point - they're also said to not be perceived as fuzzy little things (but as humans for example) by normal people, but they obviously are in Arcane (and other cinematics). Not sure if they just retconned that, since that would lead to other inconsistencies like basically invalidating Poppy's lore
@@thescholarsarchives5002 all yordles have inherent transformation or a illusion magic, not sure one of the two they have, to make them look like humans some dont use it cuz they dont care, as in the cinematic that graves imprison some of them, so Demacia only thinks Poppy is a really short person otherwise she would already be kicked out of demacia, we see them normal so we know who is a yordle.
Heimendinger doesn't actually know what will happen with the Hextech. He's seem something similar, but he doesn't know for certain. Not saying that he's wrong about the new development of the Hextech, but if they listened to him back in episode 2 there would be no Hextech development which has made Piltover world-renowned and successful over recent years.
12:26 I've watched *SO many* Arcane reactions at this point.
I so wholeheartedly appreciate that there are 3 of you in this instance, as it allows for so much more depth, thought, and exploration of the show.
Heimerdinger may be 'right'. But he always failed to bring about solutions.
-'In the pursuit of great... we failed to do good.'
Exactly, he has good intentions but no actions
Damn good line. Well done. :D
i think the difference heimerdinger saw in viktor was just minutiae in his appearance. if you go back and compare, he looks a bit healthier and had more energy after he touched the hexcore than he did before; he just didn't look quite as haggard.
he wasn't putting shimmer in Rio, he extracted shimmer from Rio. Rio is the source.
Actually he is injecting, chimmer is also a medicine, he is trying to heal Rio cuz she was dying.
@@MrIchi27 what are you talking about, Rio is the mutation that produces shimmer
@@adrianopairetti3417 its probably both
The ingredient for shimmer is from rio
He use it to make shimmer and in return pumping her to keep her alive
@@adrianopairetti3417 i thought the shimmer came from those pink glowy plants?
@@adrianopairetti3417 It's a little of both. The flower that's being fed to Rio is a big ingredient of what makes Shimmer. Through Rio's digestive system, somehow Shimmer comes out most likely. But it's both, the flower is needed to make it, so Rio is ingesting it, to make the liquid.
the flare scene and the ending of episode 3 are probably my favorite parts of the show. dont get me wrong, there are many moments in the show that are amazing, but those two really got me.
Another “Got the whole squad crying” moment. 😭
something i love about this ep is the very last frame of the very last scene, they through in the white lines that indicate jinx/powders mental breaking. I think its more heartbreaking to imagine the split second after the smoke clears and she is left to imagine if she really did reunite with her sister and then she got taken away or was it just all a convenient delusion she is telling herself. I this idea is reinforced with the line "are you real?". Jinx has prob "seen" or "heard" vi many times over the years when she wasn't actually there. Big sadge
Powder is so traumatazed that she has constantly images in her head, so thats why she ask "are you real" because she didnt knew if it was another fake deslusional off her. This moment is really touching.
"Are you real?" breaks my heart every time.
@3:16: "She does know how to use it. She knows what power it has. She's seen it, so, it's kind of a dangerous thing to be releasing." Presented without context. :P
Singed (The scientist that works for Silco) only worked with Silco because Silco allowed him to do what he wanted regarding pushing the boundaries of Science. He mentions in one episode that he stopped working with Heimendinger because Heimendinger's idea of science would only go as far as his morals would allow. There is a great video here on RUclips that described Singed in more detail stating that the difference between him and scientists like Jayce and Heimendinger is his approach to death. Where other scientists accept it as a natural process of life, Singed seeks to conquer and redefine death itself, by any means necessary... That's why though Rio is death by our standards, she is still alive by Singed's standards because her mutation is still thriving. I believe he mentioned having a daughter once, which implied that he failed to save her, which could possibly explain his obsession with conquering the natural process of death. Singed isn't concerned with right and wrong. He is amoral. He only cares about scientific progress, no matter the methods.
Link to the video I'm referencing: ruclips.net/video/2illj8F59d0/видео.html&ab_channel=LoyMeetsWorld
So, fun fact, the doctor that Victor goes to, the one who was in the explosion, his name in League is Singed.
23:23 Perfect reactions!
lol
Heimerdinger being a yordle, he's kind of in touch with the spirit world and the various energies of nature, though he's much more scientifically minded than most of his kind. He can probably feel a subtle change in Viktor's essence, more or less, since his blood merged with the hex core and he laid his hand on it at least once.
Heimer's outlook definitely doesn't help things for others, for sure. He's 310+ years old by this point but that's not even old for Yordle standards. Technically there probably isn't an 'old' for Yordles since they're essentially fae creatures, ageless spirits more than anything. There are some Yordles that are over a thousand years old comparatively, even at 300 years Heimer is actually still relatively young. The timeline might be different for Arcane though, since it is explicitly a different canon than the main timeline, but that should still hold true for the most part.
the song that gave u goosebumps is called Guns for hire by woodkid if u wanna check it out :P
31:49 I guess you could say his hair was Singed off
The music in this show is pretty amazing too.
Am glad the appreciation and warmth for Viktor is there more. Wouldn't feel too bad though, its actually a pretty common phenomena where people subconsciously tend to attribute higher moral and ethical character to conventionally attractive characters, and less to people less conventionally attractive. Knowing how deliberate and well thought out Arcane is, they also probably done this on purpose, by introducing Viktor and Jayce the way they did. Viktor does have "villain vibes" because he is pale, skinny, frail, gaunt, has unkempt hair, has a obvious "foreign" accent, and was standing beside square jawed, cute, pretty boy Jayce, with his shoulders, smile, twinkle in the eye, yadda yadda. It sets up an interesting dynamic. Show also likes to make you reconsider your initial gut assumptions.
I mean I think Viktor and Jayce are both attractive, to be clear, but "conventional beauty standards and coding etc". Consider how they are viewed by others as well, not in a competitive way, but just ideas and themes around value, celebrity, how different people treat them, their backgrounds, their similarities (science bros) and their differences (poor and wealthy), even consider the the attractions they experience, Sky vs Mel, and of course their low points where they both consider taking their lives. The attraction thing though is kind of messed up, not just for people generally considered not conventionally attractive, but also conventionally attractive people as well, because it undermines any actual sincere ethical and moral strengths you might have worked on, because people are too focused elsewhere, and they also can't distinguish your strengths, if you may be standing next to someone about as attractive, but much more ethically or morally flawed.
Heimerdinger and Jayce conflict is pretty tricky grey area too. Like others have pointed out and discussed, this isn't the first time Heimerdinger was apprehensive and outright ordered Jayce to stop his progress/technology, and ordered the research to be destroyed, and in that instance, when Jayce and Viktor actually showed results... Heimerdinger ended up going with it, and we ended up with Hex Tech. I'll be blunt, I think it was really rude how they kicked Heimerdinger out, but Heimerdinger isn't a flawless or shiny beacon of morality. He has an "Authoritarian parenting" style, when an Authoritative style would probably work wonders. To elaborate, his communication is very one sided, and he just makes demands. "Don't do this. You don't understand the danger. I will see this destroyed" etc he doesn't actually try to explain to them, the worries and issues he sees, or his past experiences, or elaborate or explain or.. he just uses his age and authority. Maybe if he was more open and communicative with his concerns and why as a scientist he thinks such technology could be abused, appropriated in specific, detailed ways. Then all three could work on safeguards and safety measures, and putting as much emphasis on risk management as well as speed of progress. I mean in an ideal world. Instead, he can seem skittish and fearful, and also he has shown, that if you just ignore him and get results, he will probably end up changing his mind and then rewarding you.
Also, I don't think its the case here, but a common argument and stance used by many in the face of progress is to appeal to the idea to slow down, otherwise we risk civil unrest. Heimerdinger seems personable and wise, in person, but he is out of touch, and probably struggles to really relate and understand people with shorter lifespans. If he lived in reality, he would have existed before Women's Suffrage, various Civil Rights movements, etc and a lot of those struggles weren't pretty or neat, and many many people were hurt/killed. To be clear, its not the same. I don't know enough about Arcane magic or setting to make any informed or educated stances on how "dangerous" the progress is being made by Jayce/Viktor but... if Heimerdinger is so concerned, he could be doing a way better job or working with and alongside Jayce and Viktor to help them understand, instead of thinking resisting their scientific curiosity and desire to help people would work. Since on that topic, what the hell has Heimerdinger actually done to help people? Why is there an Undercity, why are their literal kids fighting and dying on the those streets? To be clear I like the character, and bet he has done a lot of good over his life, but people in his position, should take steps to make sure they don't lose touch with the people around them (think rich politicians who are clueless about the struggles of every day people or people in poverty). He basically needs to try and account for his life span, and find ways to relate to and see why/how some people won't be content waiting decades, when they see others struggling and dying around them. Many of his concerns are worthy of consideration and probably accurate (the potential for Jayce and Viktor's technology to be WMD) but then he should be that guiding force to ensure safety protocols are met, not to try and force the genie back into the bottle.
Finally finally, Sam asked a great question about Jinx/Powder. Will she think that Vi had ill intentions or believe Vi was there for her? I think the really sad thing about her character? Which also applies to various mental health issues, and certain disorders, like BPD, psychosis, schizophrenia etc etc is that... Jinx will never actually know one way or another for sure. Doubt, second guessing, insecurities, invasive thoughts, will find ways to make her question herself, over and over and over, flipping and reversing, and reopening fresh wounds, old wounds. Just the degree and severity might change. Even if she got reassurance, such questions will haunt and plague her, and find ways to be twisted. Which sucks for her and for Vi too, because it can be hard trying to reach and reassure a loved one, to try and give them stability and security and yeah, its sucks even more because, welp, no signs of good mental health services in their setting. Not that most countries mental health facilities/infrastructure are optimal, we still have a lot to improve on. So I found the question very poignant and bittersweet. Anyway, the answer to the question ends up being more about management, and learning healthy coping habits, so even if one answer or scenario is dominant, you sort of make the best of it.
Just suuuch an epic ending it was so awesome. Plus, AS USUAL, the music for it is toootally on point. Love your reaction girls.
[Some lore from LoL to Jinx's weapons name, maybe a spoiler if the series says the weapon names in the second season or later, read at ur own risk]
Vi call Jinx Pow-pow when they meet again, Pow-pow is the name of Jinx's mini gun(machine gun).
Btw you guys said if this is an one season thing but I don't think it will be like that. Because this was just a tiny bit of league of Legends lore. If they wanted to cover the whole lore it would take a lot of seasons
So good! Love how invested you guys are. Just like me! This show is sooo high quality
a double drop???!!!!! I love you guys!!!!! i was not expecdting this. also i knew that blue smoke momemt would give yall goosebumps LOL
23:24 that was Funny 😂
It gets more and more epic from here
The doctor is named Singed. They don't say it in Arcane but he's a playable character from the game. In arcane everyone kinda falls in a morally gray area, like even our "bad guy" Silco isn't evil if you're a poor kid from the undercity. Silco accomplishing independence and creating the nation of Zaun would provide a better life for a lot of people, Silco's just willing to do awful stuff to accomplish his goals. The one exception is the doctor...he's pretty fucked up...you'll see why.
25:05 AHAHHAH WE ALL DID !!!
It INFURIATES ME that the founder of the city can be kicked out just like that.. But I also know Heimerdinger is about to become one of my all time favourite characters because it does open up space for an amazing plot line :P
Just because he's a founder doesn't mean he should remain in a position of power. That's be akin to being a dictator otherwise. Theres a reason the decision had to be UNANIMOUS.
2 episodes in 1 day?! Lucky
Yes Vi, Jinx, Jayce , Ekko and Caitlyn are all main character because they are all champions in the game.
I don't think they have ever said the doctor's name out loud. Jinx called him the doctor at one point. However if you read the credits...
Hiemerdinger was very clearly wrong about hextech the first time he saw it.
He also never offered anything besides words of encouragement/discouragement. Never did he provide any solutions and immediately deflected from Jayces valid criticism of what his leadership has caused.
@@jonathanjohnson6727 exactly. Heimerdinger was stuck in the past and keeps thinking tht everything he doesnt understand leads to disaster. And yet he ceases to see the problem tht are right infront of him.
It's also not true to say that Jace never listened to him. In episode 4 he sides with Heimerdinger in not revealing the fortified hex gems even though that decision clearly disappointed Mel and Victor. It's only when the life of his friend, the one who saved his life, is on the line that he decides to take sides against Heimerdinger. And even then he's clearly struggling with the decision, feeling bad about it.
I honestly can't blame him for doing so, even though I wish he'd tried harder getting Heimerdinger to see his side and maybe coming to a compromise over just kicking him out of the council. Then again, maybe that was what's necessary for Heimerdinger to actually get out of his comfort zone and see the world as it is.
1:08 I literally said the same thing! Gotta love dad jokes, lol
25:10 same girls, same
23:20 lmao top editing. that was really funny
The crows watch for it, so it knows just what to say and to who to say it as... the first of ten.
Every bad guy survived the explosion back then, Powder is a jinx. She is Jinx incarnate.
They gave us a double feature??? 🔥🔥🔥
не могу остановиться смотреть на этих красоток !
why is dani so cute ? i can't take it anymore goddamn it....
Mad Morrigan and one punch Sam!
It's a kabedon🙂
All I heard was: “that has to be Ekko”
No what happened to heimerdinger wasn't sad. Heimerdinger lacked a basic understanding that time is somethinng humans dont have. We invent a seatbelt we use it right away, we dont have 200 years to invent the perfectly 100% safe car to go with it. what happened to heimerdinger was not sad, it was inevitable.
The families of the victims of nuclear warheads would probably disagree with you.
Bravo.
Just in case. Don't Trust in an addict ever. Like what was Caitlin thinking?
Caitlyn is very naive at this point of the story, as shown several times
@@rakansasas1111 well he still helped them
He still ended up helping lol it saved her
@@Caraxes_RoguePrince yeah.. they do sometimes. But as friendly they appear to be, they are sick and at the end, the need for more drug wins.
@@erickeker8761 but he helped her get back on her feet…lol him snitching wasnt anything but helping her heal from the stab wound.
Wana see em at ep. 9...
Heimerdinger's "decade" estimate was just off-the-cuff, and probably not even accurate. What Heimerdinger should have emphasized was the direction their efforts should be taking--adding more safeguards against misuse--rather than some silly estimate of how much time they should spend on it. For all he knows, proper safeguards might only take a couple of years to develop, not a whole decade. And while Jayce is designing safeguards, Viktor can still be following up on the biological end of the research. Heimerdinger doesn't want all research to stop, he just wants to keep Hextech from being put into the hands of the citizenry at large until those safeguards are in place. Viktor's life can still be saved while making sure Hextech is safe for the general public. It doesn't have to be an either-or situation, and setting it up that way was a bit of sloppy writing, IMO.
Which is why he will never see eye to eye with some people.
For someone who is 300 years old.
He still doesnt understand the impatience of human.
He sees everything in his own perspective and is naive and goody two shoes. His only argument revolves around his age and what he saw
Thats it
I try to concentrate on the video but Dany's legs keep distracting me
@react_pack @react pack grats you guys made the official behind the scenes series! Episode 5 of Bridging the Rift!