To think production did NOTHING about this situation and took 15 years to finally realize how important taking action on sexual harassment is after the Dan Spilo incident. Disgusting.
Production ENGINEERED Dan Spilo then threw him under the bus to save face. The cast of that season hates the producers for ruining their season with that.
Hatch did it in season 1 and pointed out that he had no qualms about it. This was nothing new. Hatches words were a bit crude, yes but the incident didn't have to happen had Sue left. She said she was willing to wait for Hatch to come onto the same platform before going
@@johnnycrash4892 i don’t think you have the right to tell a woman when or when she was not sexually assaulted. especially considering you weren’t even there lol
Good on Sue for telling Jeff to shut up, it is despicable that that predatory fuck was allowed to harass her like that and get away with it. Her rage and pain is completely warranted and I think she's inspirational for lashing out like this, she refuses to let Jeff or anyone downplay her trauma. I wish her nothing but the best today.
Predator? Calling Hatch a predator is the biggest load of bull I've ever heard. Dudes gay first off. Secondly, Hatch is a known nudist. Everyone knows it. And thirdly, if Sue didn't want contact, she should've just taken the beam away from Hatch. She willingly waited for Hatch to come to her before exiting the beam. Now, Hatch words was crude but there was no malice behind it. I understand Sue being angry and empathize with that but I also see Hatchs side. It's just 2 sides disagreeing. Neither was right nor wrong.
@@anonymousperson3023doesn’t matter if he’s gay. He touched her with his dick which is wrong and that’s the end of it. And it doesn’t matter that he’s a nudist. When you’re playing a contact challenge you shouldn’t take off your clothes. They would never allow someone to strip naked like that in a challenge today and they shouldn’t have allowed it back then
Jeff wasn't the one who did anything wrong in the situation she just had a anger and couldn't let it out on Rich so she let it out at the host since she was done anyways
What has Jeff done to anyone except treat them with respect and understanding and professionalism? Don’t confuse the trials the contestants go through as something Jeff has caused. The people who play the Survivor game applied to be on it. They all tried out for it and these lucky few each season are given an opportunity to win a very large sun of money. Jeff has never done anything to cause a negative reaction.
When your complaining about being assaulted, don’t blame it when you could’ve gone the other direction, there was 2 poles and she went in the one RICH was on when she could’ve avoided it. I do agree, but there’s always 2 sides to every story.
@John Peter I never said at all they can’t quit, did you even read my comment? I’m just saying it’s dumb to blame it on someone else when it was your fault and it’s kind of different when people only look at one side.
I feel like a lot of this could have been avoided if they just had a rule back then requiring you to wear something (anything) during challenges. Especially challenges where physical contact is inevitable.
How about the fact that she lied. The uncensored footage shows that it didn’t happen. Not only that she was going one way and the turned around and chose to walk toward him knowing he was naked and they were on very small beams and platforms.
Coincidently, Jenna Morasca’s mother died the same day Sue left the game. The show was filmed from November 3-December 11, 2003. Sue quit on day 17 of filming, which would have been on November 19, 2003, which is the same day Jenna’s mother (Carla Morasca) died.
Honestly, I just watched this for the first time today. Been going through survivor for the first time. And I found the response and reactions to Sue quitting and being upset utterly disgusting. Makes me want to just skip the rest of the season. Kathy insisting they still play for reward after this even though A. She wasn't on a tribe with Sue and B. Jenna from sues tribe wanted to split the reward. And then Kathy basically saying "Who cares if that happened? Control your emotions Sue." Big Tom making it very clear he didn't care. Rupert (who I love) saying that Sue just needs to get over it. Surprisingly of all people Boston Rob seemed to be the only one on that tribe who was taking Sue's emotions seriously, but even he thought it was a play in the game. It was disgusting. I hated it. And it has put an awful taste in my mouth for this season. And Richard Hatch is a gross pig.
It’s complicated because Richard had a good relationship with Sue before this and majority of the cast didn’t know what happened. Richard should’ve been removed immediately and Sue should’ve been pulled aside and asked about her feelings instead of not being addressed for as long as she was. It just goes to show how little education people had about issues involving sexual harassment at the time.
Turtle Fan bro i got this hot ass girl and we on the swim team and we got a gay guy who slapped her ass and she wasn’t happy then she turned around and didn’t bother cause he’s gay.. I wanna be gay if that’s what can be afforded to me man
I’m late to this comment but even a straight woman can sexually harass another straight female and vis versa . It doesn’t matter your gender or sexuality. Also on a side note, Hatch said he didn’t touch her and that it was her that had touched him by going towards him when she could’ve gone forward. She did it for the money.
@@IDLESFan_2000 True. He was warned to stop and he didn't, going as far as to do what he did with that member of the production crew. If he can't play by the rules, we don't need people like him hanging around.
i was just watching this last night and had to quit the season… how they treated sue was terrible. no woman should be blamed for how she feels after something like that.
You must not have actually watched what happened. She chose to walk towards him knowing he was naked. She was going to go another way, but decided to get on the beam that he was already on. Plus, he didn’t touch her, she touched him. It’s like seeing a creepy figure in a dark alley and choosing to walk into the alley. If I see that someone is on one beam and they’re naked, and I’m not okay with it, I’m not going to walk towards them, I’m taking the other beam.
@@amariahlovelace5113 He chose to rub himself and his privates on her, that is assault. Several players saw it, Sue would not be that hurt and enraged for no reason.
Although I didn't like Sue in Borneo and thought that she was a major hypocrite, I can't help but feel awful for her. Survivor is already hard enough, but to also be sexually assaulted, it's so sad :/
@@thedopeypotato because she called him over and yelled “come on baby” she literally asked for that to happen and Rich was just pissed off and wanted her to move, that or he was playing along. regardless she got what she asked for
That is true, and to think, this aired on CBS after Super Bowl XXXVIII (you know, the one with the wardrobe malfunction that caused the FCC to start cracking down on such content).
It wasn't until much further down the line when the show dealt with the kinds of issues raised by Richard's behavior. He would've been booted in a hurry.
I remember when this happened it was mocked on tv with people making fun of Sue's speech pattern and her voice instead of concentrating on what happened.
@@amariahlovelace5113What are you even talking about??? I’ve seen several people saying she lied on these comments. You can watch it happen. In the show. She is definitely not lying. Do you just deny sexual violence by default?
I've just rewatched this season and episode and I feel that a lot of people that commented on here, didn't watch the episode. The incident - Sue had the option to walk down the another beam before Richard would arrive (& Rob even called out to her to get back to them). She said out loud that she wanted to wait & face Richard, knowing that he was naked and it was a narrow beam and there was no way to pass anyone without touching. Sue purposly chose to wait for him to get there and all Richiard did was try to get by. Sue even said to Richard "come on baby" and Richard said want some honey & Sue laughed & it seemed like Sue was challenging him & even said "Good Job" when he arrived...Richard held his arms up trying to avoid her as they passed quickly, Sue was the one that put her hand on his waist & slowed the pass down, he never rubbed against her on purpose or behaved in a sexual manner. Probst even said come on guys, move it on becuase Sue was taking to long and messing around with Richard. Afterwards Sue laughed again & continue to rib him. Sue then continued with the challenge, continuing to yell out & strategise during the game. After the game, when the tribe is walking back to camp, Sue does say that I hope that Richard is voted off for what he did to me, but then she laughs again. Now I'm not saying that afterwards Sue didn't feel what she felt, but it did initially seem like Sue was creating a fake drama for her own end, which is why none of tribemates were sympathetic, as her behaviour at the challenge was that of the instigator!!! As the evening went on I think Sue talked herself into believing that she had been treated badly, etc. and her emotions got out of control overnight, sleep and food deprevation wouldn't have helped, but Sue had played everything prior to this incident as if she didn't really want to be on the show. Now I'm not Sue & I can't say how she felt & I do believe in the end that Sue may have felt that she had been violated. But the next day after seeing that Richard had been voted off by the other tribe (nothing to do with the incident, as the other tribe didn't even mention it, his vote off was because they deemed him a threat in the game), and off loading on Probst was way over the top...you can see in the reactions of everyone else on the beach, as they had no idea what Sue was talking about. Sue and Richard also were joking with each other at the reunion months later...so there was no ongoing issue with Sue towards Richard or the show.
Its not about sexuality, assault is about control. I haven't seen this season and I wasn't there in person so I can't say what happened. But the host blowing off her feelings kinda seems like a production stunt that pushed her too far, and if she was really about fame and attention I don't think she would have left a game that would have guaranteed her the next few eliminations after. (although I haven't seen this season) Richard is portrayed poorly on Season 1 and by other people. But reality show editing can work wonders. For all that's known either person could be a manipulative psychopath. Regardless the truth always comes to light.
i mostly agree with you here but there is one very important thing to note with this situation: it happened in 2004. does this excuse probst's behavior? no, but it does put it into context. what we know now about everyday rape culture, even rape culture in general, wasn't known at all in 2004 outside of hardcore feminist circles, and either victims or police/lawyers who dealt with it every day. he had never, even once, been forced to confront anything close to this in his life. as ill equipped as the show was to handle dan spilo in 2019, they were WAY less able to handle it 15 years before that. given what probst knew back then, there was never any shot he was gonna be able to treat hatch properly at the challenge or even comfort sue hawk properly when she broke down from the trauma of everything.
You should probably watch the scene at least. It’s clearly shown on camera. He rubs his junk on her purposefully as they cross each other on a balance beam. He has crossed multiple others and didn’t do that, which is the especially important part
Sue and Rich met many times post-All Stars. There's even an interview of them together where Sue clears up that she has forgiven him and Rich apologized. This issue has been resolved for ages. They're both fine.
Even though Rich meant no harm, he still made her incredibly uncomfortable. Rich for some reason enjoyed being naked a lot, which is fine. But in challenges with such close proximity, I think he should have reevaluated his timings in getting naked. What really shocked me though was how Chapera treated Sue afterwards. Hate her or not, they laughed at her, called her crazy and said "it wasn't a big deal." It blew my mind that they spoke about her like that. I was born in 03 so I don't know how jokes were like then, but I would have been so offended if I were Sue watching it back. It makes me question how they react to people out of survivor talking about sexual harrassment.
Sue is a nutcase. The way she reacted is exactly what is being normalized these past few years- fragile narcissists view themselves as victims and crumble to the ground as they leash out at the world, instead of standing tall as one overcomes obstacles. Unfortunately every woman in her lifetime experiences sexual harassment several times in her lifetime and that's NOT me saying we can go on like this. Richard's behaviour was vile, but the way Sue responded had everything to do with her being either rattled due to past experiences in her life or with her being a narcissist. I lean towards the latter due to her "Why me?" attitude and her general narcissitic tendencies throughout the show. The dancing and the singing by the tribe was disrespectful and none of my friends would act that way, I remember as kid thinking it's terrible. But seeing this now as an adult- in those days you didn't have to cater to every single ADULT'S feelings, it's up to adults to develop a thicker skin, and it was far better that way. Point is, we need to strive to be the best version of ourselves therefore respect others, but there's always someone. If someone did this dance over you would it be the end of the world? Of course not, you would've moved on and so can someone else. You can only get as hurt over something as much as you are willing to let it and Sue is a perfect example.
@@NK-bz9wb I hate the current environment we live in too. I hate how sexual allegations are to be taken at face value and many of these allegations are so pathetic. However I do think Richard crossed the line. He shouldn't be naked to begin with. You are making people around you uncomfortable by going naked. And then when accidents happen and your thing accidentally bumps into someone else, skin to skin. You are to be blamed. Who asks you to take off your shorts?
They should have a rule to not go naked in the challenges, also in the challenge, she insisted to go towards Richard when there was a open beam to pass, everyone told her to go the other way and she went to Richard, it was really messed up
Sue was totally justified in her rage and Jeff deserved to feel small and like a fool in that moment. Although her speech was badass at FTC in season 1, the animus that Kelly got wasn't really earned. But Jeff earned this animus. I don't think Richard meant any harm but he is a total moron for thinking that rubbing his junk on someone and cracking a joke about it is okay.
What a lot of people may not know is that Sue Hawk, shortly before filming for this season had began, said: “I am going to take CBS for everything they’ve got” Whilst it was probably said in jest I think it says a lot about the type of person she is.
Sue's quit is more disappointing than Jenna in my opinion I'm sorry for Sue Rich shouldn't have done what he did I know Jenna's mom died but Sue was upset that Rich did that Like she said She was violated Humiliated Dehumanized And totally spamed
Sue yelled at Rich “come in baby!” At the challenge, encouraging him to go to her, there was a completely blank beam she could’ve gone to but decided not. Basically what im saying is its all horseshit.
Being more upset for the woman who momentarily walked past a naked man than the woman who raced home to be with her mother as she died. Ok then - each to their own I suppose...
@@sonicplushycentral I don't think she meant "Come on, baby, rob your penis on me". I think she meant, harry up! She went for that board while looking down. She didn't realized Richard was on the other side until she intended to cross. Then she tried to use the other board but she didn't seem comfortable using that one. She probably didn't want to fall, that's why she waited for him to cross and that's probably why she yield "Come on baby".
Bro, Sue was in the right. Rich the harasser was basically making Sue uncomfortable and was happy that she was able to show how she felt. Sue did nothing wrong in this situation and good thing Jeff was able to hear out to Sue and didn’t get mad at her
Sue quit's because of Dan touching in camp that's why Dan is not smart enough to be a good person that's why sue is mad at Jeff?!?!❤Lindsay leininger's don't blame Sue is really right ❤
Honestly these comments are a breath of fresh air. I was really worried I was gonna see comment after comment mocking her/downplaying sexual harassment and instead I'm seeing the opposite!!! Good job guys ha (but seriously though)
Ohhh Sue, my favorite survivor ever!! I was so exhilarated when I saw her face on that boat in the first chapter. I felt so bad when she left. I kind of didn't want to keep watching the show after that. Richard rubbed his genitals on her without her consent. He might have thought that it was funny but there isn't anything funny about that. He had the brilliant idea to make that move ON SUE OUT OF ALL PEOPLE. I'm surprised she didn't throw him off that thing and into the pool. I mean, I played the whole scene in my head and it would've been ugly. Now, whether she used that incident as an excuse to sue him for more money or she felt genuinely humiliated, she did have the right to do so. IT WAS NOT OKEY FOR RICHARD TO HAVE DONE THAT. I however, don't think she lied about her feelings. That woman is hard core it's not like her to walk around crying. She'd had to be a hell of an actress to have cried and exploded like she did; besides, we don't know her life; we don't know if she had gone through something like that before. Also, sexual harassment has always been an issue in the show business. We're just finding out in the last decade.
I watched the episode and sue had the option to walk down a beam without Rich. She literally said she wanted to face rich and it was a narrow beam and tiny little platform with three people standing on it. Sue chose to wait for him to get there and all Rich did was try to get by. This was BS if we are being real.
Sue said to “bring it on” and Hatch when he said want some honey it sounded less like a joke and more of just, fine Sue, You want to make contact with me, HERE you go. It was more self defence. And he held his arms up trying to avoid, he never rubbed her and if he did it wasn’t his intention.
Sue was clearly already started down a different path than Richard. She chose to reverse her direction and go on the path Richard was already on... She saw a lawsuit and went for it. She even said that is what motivated her. It was Sue rubbing on Richard, by her own choice, not the other way.
This is what happens when you let people do just whatever they want on a shelf for ratings. They should’ve never allowed him to be walking around naked like he was. That’s not a part of the show he did that because he was a male, chauvinist, narcissistic, pig, and as soon as production saw it the first time why would they continue to film that and not pull him to the side and tell him that he can’t do that but they did it so I hope Sue sued the hell out of that show and I hope she got a lot of money out of it.
Look how skeptical Colby and Shi Ann are. They know Sue is full of crap just like was proven in court. Hatch is a weird guy for constantly being nude but Sue literally waited for him, she put herself in that position, and then blew it up into something that never happened. Why would Hatch want to violate Sue anyway? He lived on an Island with 3 very attractive young females on season 1 for weeks and no-one ever accused him of anything... Then on all stars there was even more attractive young females who he was with for days who also never accused him of anything... and why do it during a challenge in front of eveyone?
This really did kind of ruin the show for me, it made me not want to continue watching. I'm obviously not mad at Sue for acting that way, I do believe she really felt the way she expressed. But I also believe that Richard Hatch did not mean to do anything wrong. people saying he's disgusting and a pig or whatever is out of line. I do think she is a really hateful person, but how she expressed it I'm not mad about. I do think Hatch being naked was a little strange since I'm pretty sure he was only naked once in season 1, and for some reason he was naked every second this season, but he was aloud to do, so I think it was okay. What I don't like is that she DID go back when he was doing the challenge just to go on the beam closer to her team when she could've just gone on the beam she was already on. I can see WHY he would use the "I'm gay" excuse and I also see why people saying that, that's a terrible excuse. They had a relationship in season 1 so him joking and saying "you want some" (or something) I thought was kind of funny especially since it seemed like she was joking with him, ALSO especially since Jeff yelled at BOTH of them to stop. I don't think it was sexual harassment but I also think she really felt the way she did. But I still think she is a terrible person(at least just in the show).
If you watch the actual challenge when the “contact” occurred, you will plainly see that Sue chose to remain on the beam crossroad, taunting Richard and purposefully forcing him to scoot past her, resulting in said contact. Removing ones clothes was clearly not against the rules or Probst would have prevented Hatch from going nude in EVERY challenge prior to this one. If Sue didn’t want contact with a naked man during a challenge, perhaps she shouldn’t have stood there saying “bring it on, Richard.”
You do realise they edited it to downplay what happened for legal reasons right? But no keep accusing women of lying about their trauma, easy for you to say when you will never be in her position you old scrote
"Does it have any impact that he's out of the game?" No, because the point js that he did it and no one did anything. To stay in the game with a bunch of people who turned their back to that behavior would be no better than staying with the piece of shit himself.
man shut up she was sexually assaulted that is not her being uptight that is her being upset and furious and filled with pain and humiliation. so fuck off grayson
I liked Susan a whole lot less than I did in Borneo, she was honestly not as likable as she was in that season. Granted, while she was unlikable in that season, there were some things that were likable about her there. Here however, I thought that she was way too mean-spirited.
Mean-spirited???? Wtf are you talking about?. She doesnt have to be “likeable”. She was sexually harassed and probst was making light of it. Have some compassion for someone who is clearly in a great deal of genuine pain.
@@dkhgr she was so bossy towards Tom (even though Tom is not that good in this season). Also, Susan had two paths to go to, and she chose the path with Rich on it. I’m also pretty sure what Rich did was an accident and the situation was not that extreme.
@@samisthebest6991 Rich could’ve done that challenge with his shorts on. However, he chose to get naked, not to get comfortable, but to make others uncomfortable. It was deliberate.
@@jonenriquez2561he got naked in season 1 and mentioned that he likes being naked. How is that deliberately making others uncomfortable? He’s just doing what he enjoys. Go to a nude beach and i bet you’ll see some naked people.
Did they even ever ask him back to any other episodes and if not, I guess you see why so it must’ve been true production probably had it on tape so therefore they didn’t let him come back on the show ever again that wide entitlement I tell you something else, but they kicked off DanI forget what season it was, but they said that he inappropriately touched one of the survivor staff members on one of those boats so why is it that y’all kicked off Dan but you didn’t do anything to Richard
ruclips.net/video/qCc_nKdjMYQ/видео.html 17:05 you can determine whether or not this was emotionally damaging when you watch it, I personally feel like from the history he was just close and she knew better then to go in front of him but he never rubbed from what I saw, it was just hovering.
Finally some sense… she is just a good example of the cancer of this world, people who make false claims to get attention and try to create their own realities
The hover/touch argument is not the point. As a young woman I know we go through many unpleasant experiences unfortunately, and I don't think anyone questions that. But I know that this is not how a stable person reacts to such unpleasant experience, this is how an egomaniac reacts after they rewrite events in their mind to where they believe they are victims.
Hatch should have been pulled the second he took his clothes off tbh. That's literally harassment. No one wants to see your unmentionables flopping around and it's irrelevant to the game.
Did you guys watch the same episode I did she waited for him then hugged him for balance and he had his hands in the air the whoke time (yes I think they need clothing rules just like we do in real society) even her own tribe (boston rob) thought she was doing it for the game for money or for some other reason
@@aleheatherx7992 yep she chose to go past him, and touched him. She should of complained to jeff saying she was not ok with passing by him instead of this.
Well yes, but actually no. Objective truth: Sue and Rich were both on the challenge. Rich was nakey which was sort of his thing. Sue had completed her part of the challenge but stayed on the platform for some reason, it looked like she was taunting Rich. With Sue refusing to step off the platform, Rich had to slip by her. Sue's take: They touched. Rich's take: They didn't touch. My take: I find it weird why Sue didn't step off considering she was already finished with the challenge. Not saying it was her choice for that to happen, but it definitely was her choice to give the opportunity for that to happen.
I never believed Sue. She’s a mean spirited lady basing on her speech towards Kelly(season 1). Her attitude, especially her meltdown speaks volume about her character. She’s ghetto and I refuse to believe that Rich made an inappropriate sexual move towards her. Her meltdown was so phony!
i'm always conflicted about this. i fully support her if she feels uncomfortable with a situation and should have the right to express that. i just don't think doing it this way was the best. it's like she was blaming survivor for it happening, but made no attempt to let anyone (as far as we are shown) know that she didn't like what happened. you can't expect people to know how you're feeling if you don't express it and maybe if she said something sooner the staff could have talked to her and may have convinced her to stay in the game
Dude you can’t be conflicted by this. She has the right to blame survivor, they let sexual assault happen without consequence (He had to get voted out rather than him getting kicked off). It doesn’t take a genius to understand that somebody would feel extremely uncomfortable after what happened. If he passed by you making sure to touch you (presumably with his junk) while naked, how would you feel? Uncomfortable? Like you just got violated? It’s not the type of situation where it only triggers some people, most people would have felt uncomfortable in that situation. Even if you disagree with that, just look at how violated and angry she was. She had that shit built up, she had responses for everything that Jeff would probably say, after something that causes that much emotion it takes processing time to fully even understand what you’re feeling about a situation. That’s why she didn’t tell a staff member beforehand or expressed it immediately, she was probably still in shock that it happened
@@cameronn1891 how is my confliction a consequence for her? i have not ONCE said she is wrong for how she felt. what i am saying is that she made it out like survivor should have assumed she would feel uncomfortable. they can't read her mind, nobody asked him to put on clothes, nobody went to jeff and said "i'm not comfortable with this". people have been naked on the show before, and since, so to survivor, it's just a guy who thinks being naked will give him an advantage. "after something that causes that much emotion it takes processing time to fully even understand what you’re feeling about a situation. That’s why she didn’t tell a staff member beforehand or expressed it immediatelyafter something that causes that much emotion it takes processing time to fully even understand what you’re feeling about a situation. That’s why she didn’t tell a staff member beforehand or expressed it immediately" that's fine, again, i'm not saying she didn't have the right. what i am saying, is that she clearly had these feeling for a while, since it seems like they were on her mind since the challenge. go to a staff member, while she was at camp, or before they start filming, blaming jeff as if he should have known she wasn't okay with im being naked isn't fair to jeff or anyone. i feel like you misunderstood my comment man.
@@AmethystEyes I get that but she didn’t get assaulted. What he did was weird but no way would I consider it assault. Inappropriate totally. But not assault. I feel like she felt embarrassed more than anything. Realized it’s going to be on national tv and become upset. And again she totally has a right to feel uncomfortable, but not only was he voted out. But she didn’t even go to someone before. I’d get her reaction if she told people and they ignored her or rolled their eyes or something and she felt unheard. But from 0-100 just seemed to be skipping some steps in context of the situation
@@trentwise3762 but she was made fun of back at camp. Did you just forget that. They called her crazy and laughed about what happened. I wouldn’t be telling someone about how I feel if that’s their reaction
man all the comments "this was sexual harassment" one everyone is born naked two if you dont want to look to look at someone then? the fuck three if the roles were reversed all the women in the comments would be saying "dont tell a woman what they can do with their bodies" yall need to get over your bullshit and stop trying to make everything "sexual harassment"
Hatch is a gross troll, for sure. But Sue actively chose to interact with him during that part of the challenge. Richard took his skirt off as strategy, knowing that no one would want to graze against his body. Sue called his bluff and specifically waited on her platform so that she would interact with Richard. That she got so upset is within her rights and shes entitled to her emotions, but it doesnt change what actually happened.
Really? Where did you hear that? I’ve never come across that before. Also I don’t know if you know this but coincidently, Jenna Morasca’s mother died the same day Sue left the game.
@@klassicalmuzik Alicia said that it happened and they were going to let her come back but Alicia bitched about it being unfair so they really couldn’t
I'll be the one to say it, narcissism is hell of a drug. To anyone who hasn't watched the way the events unfolded I highly recommend watching the episode. As a child I thought Sue was a victim and felt sick watching her breakdown like this. As an adult watching this season I have no doubt that in her subjective experience Sue felt everything she described and she's entitled to it, but anyone who doesn't have such an unhealthy, massive ego as she does wouldn't have reacted this way. I respect the contesters for the way they reacted to Sue's behaviour and the whole situation.
I do kinda feel bad for Sue even though I kinda feel it was a little irrational and not to mention a little hard to watch. Though I couldn't help but find her arrogant at 1:51
This wasn’t sexual assault it was just an awful “accident” that Sue purposely caused. Poor Rich, because he has to live with this reputation now and it actually caused him from playing All Winners.
This isn’t about feminism bs, its about lies, Sue try to bank off Rich, and she did. And because of that it cost him and fans his Survivor Career aswell as his reputation. Sue could’ve gone on the other, but she decided to put Rich in a position knowing he was naked, rubbed up against him and tried to make him look like the bad guy. Maybe its not her intention but that’s certainly what happened.
See, I honestly think she had a right to quit, but I don't like how this negatively affected Richard. Let me put this into perspective, people seriously believe a GAY MAN sexually harassed a woman, and that it wasn't an accident. This is quite obviously also why Richard Hatch wasn't cast in Winners at War, because of the Dan Spilo controversy. It's frankly stupid, they completely fucked Hatch over on this
Sue is so bitter and hateful, she has not changed at all in 20 years. I feel sad for her because she clearly has nothing but rage and distain for herself. Learn to love yourself Sue, you could be such a beautiful woman if you could understand your vile disgust for yourself and heal. You lash out to harm others because someone has hurt you.
@@elijahisaiah8623 not at all. She knew he was completely unclothed prior to beginning the challenge and said nothing. She knew the nature of the close proximity each person would have but remained silent about having any concerns or dismay. She could have stated she was uncomfortable with his appearance but she made a choice not to. She did not speak with Jeff regarding his appearance nor did she say anything to anyone else about it. Sue never told Richard to put his clothes on and that he made her uncomfortable, she could have but she did not. Had she said something before the challenge or any of the other challenges they participated in together it would be a different situation. Sue is an angry woman looking for anywhere her anger can land.
Endezeichen Grimm it doesn’t matter if he’s gay or not. he shouldn’t have done it and he shouldnt have said what he said while rubbing against her period
Yeah he shouldn’t have done it but she overreacted. He is just a silly dude who was tryna be funny. Did he go too far? I agree. Is it a reason to have a mental breakdown days after when she wasn’t as bothered at first?I don’t think so.
To think production did NOTHING about this situation and took 15 years to finally realize how important taking action on sexual harassment is after the Dan Spilo incident. Disgusting.
It wasn't sexuall harrassment you nitwit. He brushed up against her but not in a sexuall way.
Production ENGINEERED Dan Spilo then threw him under the bus to save face. The cast of that season hates the producers for ruining their season with that.
Right. Like Richard hatch wasn't walking around naked and intimidated others by going naked to challenges. He should have the 1st one removed.
Hatch did it in season 1 and pointed out that he had no qualms about it. This was nothing new. Hatches words were a bit crude, yes but the incident didn't have to happen had Sue left. She said she was willing to wait for Hatch to come onto the same platform before going
@@anonymousperson3023 that's just it. It should have never been allowed to begin with. But it was and ur right. Sue waited. I can't stand that guy.
Sue has had two of the memorable moments ever on this show. One was epic and one was just heartbreaking.
i think she was more mad at probst for making light of something that she viewed as harrassment that would have been ugly if hatch was there though
It was harassment
Hatch is innocent
@@johnnycrash4892 i don’t think you have the right to tell a woman when or when she was not sexually assaulted. especially considering you weren’t even there lol
@@jasonpetersen1127 I didn't say anything to any woman ya fool
@@johnnycrash4892 the point was that you were not there to determine he was innocent
Good on Sue for telling Jeff to shut up, it is despicable that that predatory fuck was allowed to harass her like that and get away with it. Her rage and pain is completely warranted and I think she's inspirational for lashing out like this, she refuses to let Jeff or anyone downplay her trauma. I wish her nothing but the best today.
Predator? Calling Hatch a predator is the biggest load of bull I've ever heard. Dudes gay first off. Secondly, Hatch is a known nudist. Everyone knows it. And thirdly, if Sue didn't want contact, she should've just taken the beam away from Hatch. She willingly waited for Hatch to come to her before exiting the beam. Now, Hatch words was crude but there was no malice behind it. I understand Sue being angry and empathize with that but I also see Hatchs side. It's just 2 sides disagreeing. Neither was right nor wrong.
@@anonymousperson3023doesn’t matter if he’s gay. He touched her with his dick which is wrong and that’s the end of it. And it doesn’t matter that he’s a nudist. When you’re playing a contact challenge you shouldn’t take off your clothes. They would never allow someone to strip naked like that in a challenge today and they shouldn’t have allowed it back then
he's not a predator , Sue is a liar though . she lied, the footage was shown . she's a liar , and you're a gullible idiot .
Just thinking of all the people who have wanted to unload their rage on Jeff over the years and Sue actually got to do it. Must have felt great.
I think she has Brandon hantz beat for the worst meltdown
jeff getting cut off everytime is funny lol
Jeff wasn't the one who did anything wrong in the situation she just had a anger and couldn't let it out on Rich so she let it out at the host since she was done anyways
@@asmr2223He was pathetic
What has Jeff done to anyone except treat them with respect and understanding and professionalism? Don’t confuse the trials the contestants go through as something Jeff has caused. The people who play the Survivor game applied to be on it. They all tried out for it and these lucky few each season are given an opportunity to win a very large sun of money. Jeff has never done anything to cause a negative reaction.
To be honest she had every right to quit
Nah, Richard was innocent.
@@sbc-robloxmachinimas7996 no he wasn't, if you want to walk around naked it's your responsibility to make sure you dont touch anyone else.
When your complaining about being assaulted, don’t blame it when you could’ve gone the other direction, there was 2 poles and she went in the one RICH was on when she could’ve avoided it.
I do agree, but there’s always 2 sides to every story.
@John Peter
I never said at all they can’t quit, did you even read my comment? I’m just saying it’s dumb to blame it on someone else when it was your fault and it’s kind of different when people only look at one side.
@@laneyperkins840 he didn’t lol, she just quit because she was having trouble and the producers made it so it looked like that
I feel like a lot of this could have been avoided if they just had a rule back then requiring you to wear something (anything) during challenges. Especially challenges where physical contact is inevitable.
No, she stated in and off show that his nakedness didn't bother her. Him groping her was the problem.
Justice for Sue. If this happened today it would have been treated completely differently
@Critter B ...what
How about the fact that she lied. The uncensored footage shows that it didn’t happen. Not only that she was going one way and the turned around and chose to walk toward him knowing he was naked and they were on very small beams and platforms.
Justice for Sue? Did you even watch the episode?
@@amariahlovelace5113please tell me the source?
cancel culture
Coincidently, Jenna Morasca’s mother died the same day Sue left the game.
The show was filmed from November 3-December 11, 2003. Sue quit on day 17 of filming, which would have been on November 19, 2003, which is the same day Jenna’s mother (Carla Morasca) died.
Crazy!
Insane
Was that the girl jeff was bitching at cause she wanted to go be with her mom
Honestly, I just watched this for the first time today. Been going through survivor for the first time. And I found the response and reactions to Sue quitting and being upset utterly disgusting. Makes me want to just skip the rest of the season. Kathy insisting they still play for reward after this even though A. She wasn't on a tribe with Sue and B. Jenna from sues tribe wanted to split the reward. And then Kathy basically saying "Who cares if that happened? Control your emotions Sue." Big Tom making it very clear he didn't care. Rupert (who I love) saying that Sue just needs to get over it. Surprisingly of all people Boston Rob seemed to be the only one on that tribe who was taking Sue's emotions seriously, but even he thought it was a play in the game. It was disgusting. I hated it. And it has put an awful taste in my mouth for this season. And Richard Hatch is a gross pig.
Rob suggested she was acting it up for a “payday” 😅 - The only one who has there for her was Alicia.
But she told Rubert, that she was suing that guy for 10 million dollars.
It’s complicated because Richard had a good relationship with Sue before this and majority of the cast didn’t know what happened. Richard should’ve been removed immediately and Sue should’ve been pulled aside and asked about her feelings instead of not being addressed for as long as she was. It just goes to show how little education people had about issues involving sexual harassment at the time.
What? BR couldn’t care less. Alicia and Shi Ann we’re the only ones sympathetic
I hate people saying Richard is gay, as an sxcuse. With that logic, a gay guy could harass a bunch of women, and should be able to get away with it
How many gay guys do you know that would sexually harass a girl? Gay guys are sexually repulsed by women.
Turtle Fan bro i got this hot ass girl and we on the swim team and we got a gay guy who slapped her ass and she wasn’t happy then she turned around and didn’t bother cause he’s gay.. I wanna be gay if that’s what can be afforded to me man
Still was bs
Richard is gay.
I’m late to this comment but even a straight woman can sexually harass another straight female and vis versa . It doesn’t matter your gender or sexuality. Also on a side note, Hatch said he didn’t touch her and that it was her that had touched him by going towards him when she could’ve gone forward. She did it for the money.
This is definitely one of the few times I don’t blame the contestant for quitting.
she lied .
@@eglantinepapeau1582What??? You’re literally able to see it happen on camera. She didn’t lie???
Who's here after Dan's ejection??
Who’s not
Probably me. Dan Spilo is the worst villain ever. Even though it was on a different premise.
@@IDLESFan_2000 Richard is at least an interesting character who you can root for in a morbid way.
@@IDLESFan_2000 True. He was warned to stop and he didn't, going as far as to do what he did with that member of the production crew. If he can't play by the rules, we don't need people like him hanging around.
Dan is SO WEIRD
One of the better quitters in terms of how it went down. I felt so bad for Sue and what Richard did was wrong and messed up. She didn't deserve it.
Nope was bs
sue was bs'ing
No, Rich was innocent, she literally could’ve gone the other direction without Rich on another beam. But nope, she went with Richard. 100% her fault.
Stfu
no
i was just watching this last night and had to quit the season… how they treated sue was terrible. no woman should be blamed for how she feels after something like that.
You must not have actually watched what happened. She chose to walk towards him knowing he was naked. She was going to go another way, but decided to get on the beam that he was already on. Plus, he didn’t touch her, she touched him. It’s like seeing a creepy figure in a dark alley and choosing to walk into the alley. If I see that someone is on one beam and they’re naked, and I’m not okay with it, I’m not going to walk towards them, I’m taking the other beam.
@@amariahlovelace5113 He chose to rub himself and his privates on her, that is assault. Several players saw it, Sue would not be that hurt and enraged for no reason.
I love how she screams at jeff lol 😆
Although I didn't like Sue in Borneo and thought that she was a major hypocrite, I can't help but feel awful for her. Survivor is already hard enough, but to also be sexually assaulted, it's so sad :/
She wasnt
Rich gay he dont want that bitch she lying
She was not sexually assaulted lol
@@l.arandom1631 she still got genitals rubbed on her
@@thedopeypotato because she called him over and yelled “come on baby” she literally asked for that to happen and Rich was just pissed off and wanted her to move, that or he was playing along. regardless she got what she asked for
kinda mind blowing that they allowed a guy to walk around naked on the show
AKeeFa25 why wouldn’t they
@@trollwayy5981 Because it would be offensive to anyone who doesn't share the same worldview.
Rudolf Janse van Vuuren well I’d say go tp StopBeingALilBitch.com .. that might help
@@trollwayy5981 LMFAO
That is true, and to think, this aired on CBS after Super Bowl XXXVIII (you know, the one with the wardrobe malfunction that caused the FCC to start cracking down on such content).
It wasn't until much further down the line when the show dealt with the kinds of issues raised by Richard's behavior. He would've been booted in a hurry.
I remember when this happened it was mocked on tv with people making fun of Sue's speech pattern and her voice instead of concentrating on what happened.
You mean the fact that she lied.
@@amariahlovelace5113What are you even talking about??? I’ve seen several people saying she lied on these comments.
You can watch it happen. In the show. She is definitely not lying. Do you just deny sexual violence by default?
I've just rewatched this season and episode and I feel that a lot of people that commented on here, didn't watch the episode.
The incident - Sue had the option to walk down the another beam before Richard would arrive (& Rob even called out to her to get back to them). She said out loud that she wanted to wait & face Richard, knowing that he was naked and it was a narrow beam and there was no way to pass anyone without touching. Sue purposly chose to wait for him to get there and all Richiard did was try to get by. Sue even said to Richard "come on baby" and Richard said want some honey & Sue laughed & it seemed like Sue was challenging him & even said "Good Job" when he arrived...Richard held his arms up trying to avoid her as they passed quickly, Sue was the one that put her hand on his waist & slowed the pass down, he never rubbed against her on purpose or behaved in a sexual manner. Probst even said come on guys, move it on becuase Sue was taking to long and messing around with Richard. Afterwards Sue laughed again & continue to rib him. Sue then continued with the challenge, continuing to yell out & strategise during the game.
After the game, when the tribe is walking back to camp, Sue does say that I hope that Richard is voted off for what he did to me, but then she laughs again. Now I'm not saying that afterwards Sue didn't feel what she felt, but it did initially seem like Sue was creating a fake drama for her own end, which is why none of tribemates were sympathetic, as her behaviour at the challenge was that of the instigator!!!
As the evening went on I think Sue talked herself into believing that she had been treated badly, etc. and her emotions got out of control overnight, sleep and food deprevation wouldn't have helped, but Sue had played everything prior to this incident as if she didn't really want to be on the show. Now I'm not Sue & I can't say how she felt & I do believe in the end that Sue may have felt that she had been violated. But the next day after seeing that Richard had been voted off by the other tribe (nothing to do with the incident, as the other tribe didn't even mention it, his vote off was because they deemed him a threat in the game), and off loading on Probst was way over the top...you can see in the reactions of everyone else on the beach, as they had no idea what Sue was talking about.
Sue and Richard also were joking with each other at the reunion months later...so there was no ongoing issue with Sue towards Richard or the show.
Its not about sexuality, assault is about control. I haven't seen this season and I wasn't there in person so I can't say what happened. But the host blowing off her feelings kinda seems like a production stunt that pushed her too far, and if she was really about fame and attention I don't think she would have left a game that would have guaranteed her the next few eliminations after. (although I haven't seen this season)
Richard is portrayed poorly on Season 1 and by other people. But reality show editing can work wonders. For all that's known either person could be a manipulative psychopath. Regardless the truth always comes to light.
i mostly agree with you here but there is one very important thing to note with this situation: it happened in 2004. does this excuse probst's behavior? no, but it does put it into context. what we know now about everyday rape culture, even rape culture in general, wasn't known at all in 2004 outside of hardcore feminist circles, and either victims or police/lawyers who dealt with it every day. he had never, even once, been forced to confront anything close to this in his life. as ill equipped as the show was to handle dan spilo in 2019, they were WAY less able to handle it 15 years before that. given what probst knew back then, there was never any shot he was gonna be able to treat hatch properly at the challenge or even comfort sue hawk properly when she broke down from the trauma of everything.
She was a lier bi tch !! Annoying person
You should probably watch the scene at least. It’s clearly shown on camera. He rubs his junk on her purposefully as they cross each other on a balance beam. He has crossed multiple others and didn’t do that, which is the especially important part
Sue and Rich met many times post-All Stars. There's even an interview of them together where Sue clears up that she has forgiven him and Rich apologized. This issue has been resolved for ages. They're both fine.
Even though Rich meant no harm, he still made her incredibly uncomfortable. Rich for some reason enjoyed being naked a lot, which is fine. But in challenges with such close proximity, I think he should have reevaluated his timings in getting naked.
What really shocked me though was how Chapera treated Sue afterwards. Hate her or not, they laughed at her, called her crazy and said "it wasn't a big deal." It blew my mind that they spoke about her like that. I was born in 03 so I don't know how jokes were like then, but I would have been so offended if I were Sue watching it back. It makes me question how they react to people out of survivor talking about sexual harrassment.
Sue is a nutcase. The way she reacted is exactly what is being normalized these past few years- fragile narcissists view themselves as victims and crumble to the ground as they leash out at the world, instead of standing tall as one overcomes obstacles. Unfortunately every woman in her lifetime experiences sexual harassment several times in her lifetime and that's NOT me saying we can go on like this. Richard's behaviour was vile, but the way Sue responded had everything to do with her being either rattled due to past experiences in her life or with her being a narcissist. I lean towards the latter due to her "Why me?" attitude and her general narcissitic tendencies throughout the show. The dancing and the singing by the tribe was disrespectful and none of my friends would act that way, I remember as kid thinking it's terrible. But seeing this now as an adult- in those days you didn't have to cater to every single ADULT'S feelings, it's up to adults to develop a thicker skin, and it was far better that way. Point is, we need to strive to be the best version of ourselves therefore respect others, but there's always someone. If someone did this dance over you would it be the end of the world? Of course not, you would've moved on and so can someone else. You can only get as hurt over something as much as you are willing to let it and Sue is a perfect example.
@@NK-bz9wb I hate the current environment we live in too. I hate how sexual allegations are to be taken at face value and many of these allegations are so pathetic. However I do think Richard crossed the line. He shouldn't be naked to begin with. You are making people around you uncomfortable by going naked. And then when accidents happen and your thing accidentally bumps into someone else, skin to skin. You are to be blamed. Who asks you to take off your shorts?
They should have a rule to not go naked in the challenges, also in the challenge, she insisted to go towards Richard when there was a open beam to pass, everyone told her to go the other way and she went to Richard, it was really messed up
@@NK-bz9wbcalling a victim a narcissist for being affected by being violated is so cruel
@@string-cheese You should practice your ineffering skills .
Sue is so real, Hatch shouldn’t have even been brought back when he was arrested for child abuse
Totally understandable. I honestly hope she's doing better. This so should've been addressed earlier than that other season
Sue was totally justified in her rage and Jeff deserved to feel small and like a fool in that moment. Although her speech was badass at FTC in season 1, the animus that Kelly got wasn't really earned. But Jeff earned this animus. I don't think Richard meant any harm but he is a total moron for thinking that rubbing his junk on someone and cracking a joke about it is okay.
When I first saw the promo for this episode i thought sue was going to attack jeff
What a lot of people may not know is that Sue Hawk, shortly before filming for this season had began, said: “I am going to take CBS for everything they’ve got”
Whilst it was probably said in jest I think it says a lot about the type of person she is.
Sue's quit is more disappointing than Jenna in my opinion
I'm sorry for Sue
Rich shouldn't have done what he did
I know Jenna's mom died but Sue was upset that Rich did that
Like she said
She was violated
Humiliated
Dehumanized
And totally spamed
she was bsing
Sue yelled at Rich “come in baby!” At the challenge, encouraging him to go to her, there was a completely blank beam she could’ve gone to but decided not. Basically what im saying is its all horseshit.
He didn’t even touch her
Being more upset for the woman who momentarily walked past a naked man than the woman who raced home to be with her mother as she died. Ok then - each to their own I suppose...
@@sonicplushycentral I don't think she meant "Come on, baby, rob your penis on me". I think she meant, harry up! She went for that board while looking down. She didn't realized Richard was on the other side until she intended to cross. Then she tried to use the other board but she didn't seem comfortable using that one. She probably didn't want to fall, that's why she waited for him to cross and that's probably why she yield "Come on baby".
Bro, Sue was in the right. Rich the harasser was basically making Sue uncomfortable and was happy that she was able to show how she felt. Sue did nothing wrong in this situation and good thing Jeff was able to hear out to Sue and didn’t get mad at her
Sue quit's because of Dan touching in camp that's why Dan is not smart enough to be a good person that's why sue is mad at Jeff?!?!❤Lindsay leininger's don't blame Sue is really right ❤
0:37 robs looks 😭😭
Plz upload Lindsey quitting! Thx
Honestly these comments are a breath of fresh air. I was really worried I was gonna see comment after comment mocking her/downplaying sexual harassment and instead I'm seeing the opposite!!!
Good job guys ha (but seriously though)
Ohhh Sue, my favorite survivor ever!! I was so exhilarated when I saw her face on that boat in the first chapter. I felt so bad when she left. I kind of didn't want to keep watching the show after that. Richard rubbed his genitals on her without her consent. He might have thought that it was funny but there isn't anything funny about that. He had the brilliant idea to make that move ON SUE OUT OF ALL PEOPLE. I'm surprised she didn't throw him off that thing and into the pool. I mean, I played the whole scene in my head and it would've been ugly. Now, whether she used that incident as an excuse to sue him for more money or she felt genuinely humiliated, she did have the right to do so. IT WAS NOT OKEY FOR RICHARD TO HAVE DONE THAT. I however, don't think she lied about her feelings. That woman is hard core it's not like her to walk around crying. She'd had to be a hell of an actress to have cried and exploded like she did; besides, we don't know her life; we don't know if she had gone through something like that before. Also, sexual harassment has always been an issue in the show business. We're just finding out in the last decade.
I love Sue
I can only imagine the poop storm that this would cause if it happened nowadays.
I bet she regrets voting Rich now
Tbh, Hatch was wrongfully accused, well not really but there was no ill intent when it happened
I watched the episode and sue had the option to walk down a beam without Rich. She literally said she wanted to face rich and it was a narrow beam and tiny little platform with three people standing on it. Sue chose to wait for him to get there and all Rich did was try to get by. This was BS if we are being real.
Sue said to “bring it on” and Hatch when he said want some honey it sounded less like a joke and more of just, fine Sue, You want to make contact with me, HERE you go. It was more self defence. And he held his arms up trying to avoid, he never rubbed her and if he did it wasn’t his intention.
What's BS is you justifying a grown ass man planting his junk on someone fucking weirdo
Sue was clearly already started down a different path than Richard. She chose to reverse her direction and go on the path Richard was already on... She saw a lawsuit and went for it. She even said that is what motivated her. It was Sue rubbing on Richard, by
her own choice, not the other way.
This is what happens when you let people do just whatever they want on a shelf for ratings. They should’ve never allowed him to be walking around naked like he was. That’s not a part of the show he did that because he was a male, chauvinist, narcissistic, pig, and as soon as production saw it the first time why would they continue to film that and not pull him to the side and tell him that he can’t do that but they did it so I hope Sue sued the hell out of that show and I hope she got a lot of money out of it.
Man if this happened today…Holly shit the backlash would be crazy
Look how skeptical Colby and Shi Ann are. They know Sue is full of crap just like was proven in court. Hatch is a weird guy for constantly being nude but Sue literally waited for him, she put herself in that position, and then blew it up into something that never happened.
Why would Hatch want to violate Sue anyway? He lived on an Island with 3 very attractive young females on season 1 for weeks and no-one ever accused him of anything... Then on all stars there was even more attractive young females who he was with for days who also never accused him of anything... and why do it during a challenge in front of eveyone?
If only they have strict rules about wearing a clothing or some sorts during the game, this would have been avoided.
This really did kind of ruin the show for me, it made me not want to continue watching. I'm obviously not mad at Sue for acting that way, I do believe she really felt the way she expressed. But I also believe that Richard Hatch did not mean to do anything wrong. people saying he's disgusting and a pig or whatever is out of line. I do think she is a really hateful person, but how she expressed it I'm not mad about. I do think Hatch being naked was a little strange since I'm pretty sure he was only naked once in season 1, and for some reason he was naked every second this season, but he was aloud to do, so I think it was okay. What I don't like is that she DID go back when he was doing the challenge just to go on the beam closer to her team when she could've just gone on the beam she was already on. I can see WHY he would use the "I'm gay" excuse and I also see why people saying that, that's a terrible excuse. They had a relationship in season 1 so him joking and saying "you want some" (or something) I thought was kind of funny especially since it seemed like she was joking with him, ALSO especially since Jeff yelled at BOTH of them to stop. I don't think it was sexual harassment but I also think she really felt the way she did. But I still think she is a terrible person(at least just in the show).
If you watch the actual challenge when the “contact” occurred, you will plainly see that Sue chose to remain on the beam crossroad, taunting Richard and purposefully forcing him to scoot past her, resulting in said contact. Removing ones clothes was clearly not against the rules or Probst would have prevented Hatch from going nude in EVERY challenge prior to this one. If Sue didn’t want contact with a naked man during a challenge, perhaps she shouldn’t have stood there saying “bring it on, Richard.”
You do realise they edited it to downplay what happened for legal reasons right? But no keep accusing women of lying about their trauma, easy for you to say when you will never be in her position you old scrote
"Does it have any impact that he's out of the game?" No, because the point js that he did it and no one did anything. To stay in the game with a bunch of people who turned their back to that behavior would be no better than staying with the piece of shit himself.
Sue hawk, the original Karen
Haha 😆. That was a good one.
man shut up she was sexually assaulted that is not her being uptight that is her being upset and furious and filled with pain and humiliation. so fuck off grayson
@@lisavalenzuela1847 🤣🤣🤣🤣 👍🏻
More like the original Kellee.
@@lisavalenzuela1847 except it was a lie and she came into his space and he just tried to get around her
Anyone know the name to the opening music?
Richard Hatch was not right. But the producers were wrong for not wrong for not pulling him instantly
Being gay doesnt excuse that
I liked Susan a whole lot less than I did in Borneo, she was honestly not as likable as she was in that season. Granted, while she was unlikable in that season, there were some things that were likable about her there. Here however, I thought that she was way too mean-spirited.
Mean-spirited???? Wtf are you talking about?. She doesnt have to be “likeable”. She was sexually harassed and probst was making light of it. Have some compassion for someone who is clearly in a great deal of genuine pain.
@@dkhgr she was so bossy towards Tom (even though Tom is not that good in this season). Also, Susan had two paths to go to, and she chose the path with Rich on it. I’m also pretty sure what Rich did was an accident and the situation was not that extreme.
@@samisthebest6991 Rich could’ve done that challenge with his shorts on. However, he chose to get naked, not to get comfortable, but to make others uncomfortable. It was deliberate.
So… you support Richard sexually assaulting her? 😑
@@jonenriquez2561he got naked in season 1 and mentioned that he likes being naked. How is that deliberately making others uncomfortable? He’s just doing what he enjoys. Go to a nude beach and i bet you’ll see some naked people.
Did they even ever ask him back to any other episodes and if not, I guess you see why so it must’ve been true production probably had it on tape so therefore they didn’t let him come back on the show ever again that wide entitlement I tell you something else, but they kicked off DanI forget what season it was, but they said that he inappropriately touched one of the survivor staff members on one of those boats so why is it that y’all kicked off Dan but you didn’t do anything to Richard
ruclips.net/video/qCc_nKdjMYQ/видео.html 17:05 you can determine whether or not this was emotionally damaging when you watch it, I personally feel like from the history he was just close and she knew better then to go in front of him but he never rubbed from what I saw, it was just hovering.
Finally some sense… she is just a good example of the cancer of this world, people who make false claims to get attention and try to create their own realities
The hover/touch argument is not the point. As a young woman I know we go through many unpleasant experiences unfortunately, and I don't think anyone questions that. But I know that this is not how a stable person reacts to such unpleasant experience, this is how an egomaniac reacts after they rewrite events in their mind to where they believe they are victims.
Hatch should have been pulled the second he took his clothes off tbh. That's literally harassment. No one wants to see your unmentionables flopping around and it's irrelevant to the game.
One of the most staged moments in survivor history
What episode is this?
Episode 6
Did you guys watch the same episode I did she waited for him then hugged him for balance and he had his hands in the air the whoke time (yes I think they need clothing rules just like we do in real society) even her own tribe (boston rob) thought she was doing it for the game for money or for some other reason
Just an fyi for all you defending Sue... the footage was reviewed uncensored and showed Hatch never came in contact with sue
I don’t believe you
Sue had feelings and defo had every right to quit
Wow.
It was bs
Richard sexually assaulting her was bs.
@@aleheatherx7992 yep she chose to go past him, and touched him. She should of complained to jeff saying she was not ok with passing by him instead of this.
JEFF JEFF JEFF 😂😂
So what exactly happened? Richard rubbed his junk on her?
Well yes, but actually no.
Objective truth: Sue and Rich were both on the challenge. Rich was nakey which was sort of his thing. Sue had completed her part of the challenge but stayed on the platform for some reason, it looked like she was taunting Rich. With Sue refusing to step off the platform, Rich had to slip by her.
Sue's take: They touched.
Rich's take: They didn't touch.
My take: I find it weird why Sue didn't step off considering she was already finished with the challenge. Not saying it was her choice for that to happen, but it definitely was her choice to give the opportunity for that to happen.
@@JB00GIE22 sue just wanted a reason to quit
@@JB00GIE22 that's it? jesus christ.
Isnt Richard gay??
I never believed Sue. She’s a mean spirited lady basing on her speech towards Kelly(season 1). Her attitude, especially her meltdown speaks volume about her character. She’s ghetto and I refuse to believe that Rich made an inappropriate sexual move towards her. Her meltdown was so phony!
So you support sexual harassment?
I remember her speech! Lol.
Loved that snakes & rats speech
i'm always conflicted about this. i fully support her if she feels uncomfortable with a situation and should have the right to express that. i just don't think doing it this way was the best. it's like she was blaming survivor for it happening, but made no attempt to let anyone (as far as we are shown) know that she didn't like what happened. you can't expect people to know how you're feeling if you don't express it and maybe if she said something sooner the staff could have talked to her and may have convinced her to stay in the game
Dude you can’t be conflicted by this. She has the right to blame survivor, they let sexual assault happen without consequence (He had to get voted out rather than him getting kicked off). It doesn’t take a genius to understand that somebody would feel extremely uncomfortable after what happened. If he passed by you making sure to touch you (presumably with his junk) while naked, how would you feel? Uncomfortable? Like you just got violated? It’s not the type of situation where it only triggers some people, most people would have felt uncomfortable in that situation. Even if you disagree with that, just look at how violated and angry she was. She had that shit built up, she had responses for everything that Jeff would probably say, after something that causes that much emotion it takes processing time to fully even understand what you’re feeling about a situation. That’s why she didn’t tell a staff member beforehand or expressed it immediately, she was probably still in shock that it happened
@@cameronn1891 how is my confliction a consequence for her? i have not ONCE said she is wrong for how she felt.
what i am saying is that she made it out like survivor should have assumed she would feel uncomfortable.
they can't read her mind, nobody asked him to put on clothes, nobody went to jeff and said "i'm not comfortable with this".
people have been naked on the show before, and since, so to survivor, it's just a guy who thinks being naked will give him an advantage.
"after something that causes that much emotion it takes processing time to fully even understand what you’re feeling about a situation. That’s why she didn’t tell a staff member beforehand or expressed it immediatelyafter something that causes that much emotion it takes processing time to fully even understand what you’re feeling about a situation. That’s why she didn’t tell a staff member beforehand or expressed it immediately"
that's fine, again, i'm not saying she didn't have the right. what i am saying, is that she clearly had these feeling for a while, since it seems like they were on her mind since the challenge. go to a staff member, while she was at camp, or before they start filming, blaming jeff as if he should have known she wasn't okay with im being naked isn't fair to jeff or anyone.
i feel like you misunderstood my comment man.
It takes sometime to process these things as you kinda go into shock after being assaulted. That happened to me.
@@AmethystEyes I get that but she didn’t get assaulted. What he did was weird but no way would I consider it assault. Inappropriate totally. But not assault. I feel like she felt embarrassed more than anything. Realized it’s going to be on national tv and become upset. And again she totally has a right to feel uncomfortable, but not only was he voted out. But she didn’t even go to someone before. I’d get her reaction if she told people and they ignored her or rolled their eyes or something and she felt unheard. But from 0-100 just seemed to be skipping some steps in context of the situation
@@trentwise3762 but she was made fun of back at camp. Did you just forget that. They called her crazy and laughed about what happened. I wouldn’t be telling someone about how I feel if that’s their reaction
poor sue :(
Nope was bs
Turns out she was lying
@@obsidianblock3326 really?!?
@Jordan Theogene honestly even a brush with a large naked man is traumatizing.
Poor Sue, she needs to get back on her meds.
Irrational quit honestly it wouldn't be much better she still has to live with it
Shut up 🤐
man all the comments "this was sexual harassment" one everyone is born naked two if you dont want to look to look at someone then? the fuck three if the roles were reversed all the women in the comments would be saying "dont tell a woman what they can do with their bodies" yall need to get over your bullshit and stop trying to make everything "sexual harassment"
I bet she regrets making the Rats and Snakes speech after Rich humiliated her.
I bet she regrets not going harder in the rats and snake speech
She has nothing to be ashamed of when he was the one at fault, he didn't humiliate her he assaulted her you fuck
Hatch is a gross troll, for sure. But Sue actively chose to interact with him during that part of the challenge. Richard took his skirt off as strategy, knowing that no one would want to graze against his body. Sue called his bluff and specifically waited on her platform so that she would interact with Richard. That she got so upset is within her rights and shes entitled to her emotions, but it doesnt change what actually happened.
Victim blaming loser
A??
Daily reminder Sue begged production to let her back an hour later... they said no
Really? Where did you hear that? I’ve never come across that before.
Also I don’t know if you know this but coincidently, Jenna Morasca’s mother died the same day Sue left the game.
@@klassicalmuzik Alicia said that it happened and they were going to let her come back but Alicia bitched about it being unfair so they really couldn’t
Yeah they asked the other contestants if it was ok if she came back to the game & everybody said no way
@@klassicalmuzik Lex confirms it in an AMA
I'll be the one to say it, narcissism is hell of a drug. To anyone who hasn't watched the way the events unfolded I highly recommend watching the episode. As a child I thought Sue was a victim and felt sick watching her breakdown like this. As an adult watching this season I have no doubt that in her subjective experience Sue felt everything she described and she's entitled to it, but anyone who doesn't have such an unhealthy, massive ego as she does wouldn't have reacted this way. I respect the contesters for the way they reacted to Sue's behaviour and the whole situation.
Sue Hawk. The "Karen" of Survivor.
Who is Karen?
Oh hell no
I do kinda feel bad for Sue even though I kinda feel it was a little irrational and not to mention a little hard to watch. Though I couldn't help but find her arrogant at 1:51
She got rubbed up against I’d be pissed to
@@justtrent9519 it was bs and all her fault
Cstmollins Oh yea totally sexual assault is on the irrational woman
@@justtrent9519 it was all made up. She finnished the challange turned around came back and touched him. He never touched her
Cstmollins Oh yah and yau man came in there and finger banged Jenna. Jeeez😒
I miss Richard
same…
Me too
I woulda quit too if the same circumstance happened to me
She needs to smoke a joint
ITT: People excusing away sexual assault. Check my thread in a few days for the excuses as the comments will surely have them
Except this wasn’t sexual assault.
This wasn’t sexual assault it was just an awful “accident” that Sue purposely caused. Poor Rich, because he has to live with this reputation now and it actually caused him from playing All Winners.
Well, a few years, but here comes the "woman lying cunt, man persecuted victim of feminazism" brigade
This isn’t about feminism bs, its about lies, Sue try to bank off Rich, and she did. And because of that it cost him and fans his Survivor Career aswell as his reputation. Sue could’ve gone on the other, but she decided to put Rich in a position knowing he was naked, rubbed up against him and tried to make him look like the bad guy. Maybe its not her intention but that’s certainly what happened.
@@ashen_roses It’s been 18 year and somehow you still don’t know that the footage was reviewed in slow motion, and there was no contact.
See, I honestly think she had a right to quit, but I don't like how this negatively affected Richard. Let me put this into perspective, people seriously believe a GAY MAN sexually harassed a woman, and that it wasn't an accident. This is quite obviously also why Richard Hatch wasn't cast in Winners at War, because of the Dan Spilo controversy. It's frankly stupid, they completely fucked Hatch over on this
Him being gay doesn't mean he can't harrass and assault women, stop being a SA apologist
but isn't Richard gay anyways? I don't see Richard doing it on purpose.
Sue is so bitter and hateful, she has not changed at all in 20 years. I feel sad for her because she clearly has nothing but rage and distain for herself. Learn to love yourself Sue, you could be such a beautiful woman if you could understand your vile disgust for yourself and heal. You lash out to harm others because someone has hurt you.
So you support sexual harassment?
@@elijahisaiah8623 not at all. She knew he was completely unclothed prior to beginning the challenge and said nothing. She knew the nature of the close proximity each person would have but remained silent about having any concerns or dismay. She could have stated she was uncomfortable with his appearance but she made a choice not to. She did not speak with Jeff regarding his appearance nor did she say anything to anyone else about it. Sue never told Richard to put his clothes on and that he made her uncomfortable, she could have but she did not. Had she said something before the challenge or any of the other challenges they participated in together it would be a different situation. Sue is an angry woman looking for anywhere her anger can land.
Why don't you learn to respect traumatised women who have been SA'd? Go to hell with your victim blaming, manipulative bullshit
i HATE richard
she faked this
Bro seriously she is as honest as amber heard
Which means she is 1000% truthful because both her and Amber are both victims and you are a raging misogynist if you think otherwise
@@ebonyobrien5895😂😂😂
@@ebonyobrien5895 I'm sorry but you're literally a dumbass if you think amber heard is anything other than a narcissistic idiot
I guess after all that we never saw Sue again, and isn't Richard Hatch gay?
He is, but she still didn't want to touch him there.
@@fianle nope was bs
He didnt wanna be touched either…
@@fianle He didn’t touch her. She literally went after him and then faked assault to get some $$$
Staged
My god, she is really dying on that hill. I saw the episode. Nothing happened.
Ahahahaha
"Sorta"? Really Jeff?
There was no contact at all.
@@l.arandom1631source?
Why was she back in the first place?… and outta all the women there, why pick her, she’s older n not as attractive as the other women…
Because she was a big character in Borneo her snakes & rats speech set the tone for survivor going forward
1st
Isn't Hatch gay though?
Maybe hes transitional gender neutral gay confused
Endezeichen Grimm it doesn’t matter if he’s gay or not. he shouldn’t have done it and he shouldnt have said what he said while rubbing against her period
Yeah he shouldn’t have done it but she overreacted. He is just a silly dude who was tryna be funny. Did he go too far? I agree. Is it a reason to have a mental breakdown days after when she wasn’t as bothered at first?I don’t think so.
@@chrismalinowski654 nope it was bs
@@kayleeduncan3080 nope it was bs
Sue deserved everything she had and more
I need the video wtf happened here?