But did you see the donut though. I would react exactly like him, with the only difference being me talking to myself, reviewing the donut out loud alone in my room, instead of to a camera to millions of people
Imagine going to Korea, knowing nothing but English, having to learn another language with a different alphabet, training and practicing day and night... AND THE STRESS TOO??? The stress of the survival show would have made everyone lost their Korean 😭 However, I'm really proud of Felix and his improvement
the way you are giving felix compliments makes me happy. he's still insecure about his korean, so seeing someone like you who has studied for years complimenting him makes me happy. thank you.
chan did speak korean back in australia! he said that they would mix korean and english a lot, and the times we've seen his parents they do speak korean to him and his siblings so he did use it before, he just started using it almost full time once he moved
Yeah , he already could speak quite well when he came to Korea. Ironically, (one of) the only way(s) to tell that he isn't fully native is that he grew up mixing both languanges while speaking at home. He still has the tendancy to switch up some expressions while speaking, he uses a lot of English wow's and Korean waah's. On the other hand, it is remarkable how good he is at swiching from one language to the other. Although, I think that he often hasn't realised that he has switched from language. When fans ask him questions in his live's, he has answered them countless times in the wrong language.
That doesnt equal fluent though. A lot of children of immigrant parents wind up with "kitchen" language. They can communicate around daily activities but not on a deeper level. And usually they cant read very well in the language if it uses a different script.
Of course, what I was trying to say was just that he did have a background on it, something he could rely on that would help with making friendships that I can suppose were the reason he could pick up so much of what he knows now
@@pumpkinsandme6238 That’s me 😔✋ I can completely understand it and I can speak better than most of peers, but I literally cannot read to save my life. I can write my own name and my brother’s but that’s about it lol
Chan had a little advantage because he’s a first generation Australian meaning his parents’ native tongue is Korean but Felix is a third generation immigrant so he doesn’t have that advantage.
9:04 “Felix look at you, you’re doing it!” Okay but why did this make me emotional 🥺 I’m so so so incredibly proud of Felix. I can only imagine how scary and stressful it would be to move to a new country at 17 by yourself where you can BARELY speak the language, and you’re not just living your life as a normal kid, but going through intense trainings to jumpstart your career where communication is especially important. I could never. Felix is amazing
I think another important thing to add is that Bang Chan writes lyrics which encompasses skills of writing a language which is difficult by itself and even more when it's for music. Chan can read, listen, speak and write Korean the way I think most natives can so I always think that he is a native speaker.
Chan spoke Korean in Australia - he grew up bilingual (speaking Korean and English (mixed) in his household) but of course when he moved to Korea he started speaking it fully.
@@immyrichie14 Yeah it definitely helped but I doubt he formally learnt Korean when he was in Australia which meant that he might not have wrote Korean formally because writing is really another ball game for a language. I am learning Korean, Japanese and German and among reading, listening, speaking, writing, writing is always the one that is the toughest, and would be (to me) the highest skillset of learning the language. I learnt Chinese formally but stopped for a long time and I can still speak to my family comfortably but asking me to read novels/newspapers or write a simple story would be very difficult. Maybe Chan and others would have different experiences but this is what I think.
Chan still ask others to check his korean lyrics, he's much better in korean now. Asian countries who speaks english aren't considered native speakers even if they speak fluently so I think chan is like that.
Even until now, 2021, Felix is still insecure about his korean. Seeing someone professional like you complimented him make me feels happy. I can say he improved a lot this year, he did a good job. It’s not easy to learn a new language when he himself is so busy with his schedule as an idol. I’m proud
I know this comment is probably up here but members from NCT and WayV would be really interesting, they are probably the most dominant group in the category of foreign members, especially WayV for Chinese being the main language in the groups’ songs but still singing and communicating in Korean in other videos. Probably more specifically, Ten (I believe he knows 5 languages..?) and Yangyang (I think Korean is the most recent language for him?)
there can also be moments where they will flip between their native language, or have to translate, and I just think it is absolutely insane when the guys do that, or yeah even Ten when he has actually stated that he can't just smoothly transition between the 5 languages he knows and that his brain malfunctions a little bit. That's wild.
i really like that you pointed out that just because they have korean parents doesn't mean they'll know how to speak korean. this applies to a lot of families from countries that don't speak english. i'm afro-latina and just about everyone in the older generations of my family can speak spanish, but the younger ones (like myself) can't. it's took me a long time to understand that this is okay because growing up, other hispanics wouldn't believe i was hispanic solely because i couldn't speak spanish
I think it's an important piece of info, because a lot of people get mistreated or sometimes discriminated against for not speaking their parents' language as if they're lazy or something - but in reality that's just how language learning works. Even having parents that speak a certain language doesn't mean too much. For my kid (who speaks both), the reason he speaks Korean well despite living in the US is because we actively do a lot of Korean language exercises and training. I'll make a video about it later with more details, but if we just spoke Korean to him at home he'd still end up just speaking English later and never becoming near native level.
@@GoBillyKorean i love that you're doing that with your kid! i worked at a preschool a couple years ago and the other teachers, along with myself, constantly encouraged the parents to continue teaching their children their native language because they'll pick up learning english while they're in school with ease. one kid came to the preschool only knowing romanian but in a few months he was able to communicate with us pretty well! his progress was amazing
@@GoBillyKorean What you said is true. My family shames and laughs at me whenever they can because I´m not able to speak Russian. I´m not seen as "one of them" even though I identify myself more with their culture than the one I grew up in. Also, I think some people forget that it takes effort to learn a language when you don´t grow up in this specific country. My father was confused about me not being able to read fluently even though it´s not my fault - no one taught me the Cyrillic alphabet. Individuals like me who have been shamed find themselves in a vicious cycle. You want to learn the language, but you were rejected so much that you don't dare, which in turn makes you get criticized again. I get teary-eyed whenever I hear someone speak fluent Russian - with proper intonation. I love this language and I regret having forgotten it - it feels like a piece of my identity is missing.
When Chan was growing up, his parents spoke to him and his siblings in English and Korean around the house. So when he joined JYPE, he was already pretty much fluent if not completely fluent
1:36 Felix and the other eliminated member, Lee Know, were brought back due to the backlash from fans. In the last episode JYP said that he still saw lots of flaws in some members but relented to hold a public vote to take viewers opinions into account, and they were voted back in with overwhelming majority. I’m really glad the boys all debuted together :)
The most interesting one would be the japanese of izone since they only started learning Korean about 2 years ago and they all started at the same time.
Also fun fact: Chan actually attended high school in korea when he went there to train. He went to the same high school as Seungmin and was in natural science faculty..so I believe he had been kind of a proficient speaker by then
As a language learner myself these boys, especially Felix, are a huge inspiration. I've been learning Russian for about seven years (I'm 18 now) and sometimes I feel bad that I've been studying for so long but still don't feel very fluent. Felix improved so much in such a short time, it makes me hopeful that if I practice enough and stop worrying about mistakes I'll get better :)
You got this!! Also, Felix was quickly immersed in Korean, so he had to learn. You can immerse yourself at home, but you probably have less of a pressing force as he did. Good luck, I believe in you :)
Actually, Chan did speak Korean back in Australia from what we know. He's talked about it sometimes during his lives and his family has a RUclips channel in which we often hear them speak Korean. Or at least for the ones I've watched, since I didn't watch everything either. So he probably had good basis when moving to Korea as well! ^^ (which has you say multiple times doesn't erase the effort and progress he's made!) It's also a very interesting analysis regarding Felix's tone! I didn't notice through the years, so it's great to hear the difference with those clips back to back! And the hear the phenomena progress he's made as well!! I remember back in 2017, when they were doing lives and he was mostly watching and listening on the side, focusing on what was said. And now he's taking part fully into group conversations and that's really beautiful 🥰 The video also made me learn some new things regarding the language! (I finally know how to say 2 months as in the time that has passed and not the month.. thanks for that haha, took me 3 years 😅) Always learning a little more everyday~ Thanks a lot for this video!
As an Aussie I'm so proud of Felix and Chris. I confess perhaps my favourite videos are seeing a broad aussie accent come out of those beautiful Korean faces 🤣
You are super familiar with Kpop as well. (Even more than me) To be honest I'm watching your videos to study English as a Korean teacher lol.. It's super helpful. You are basically an English teacher and a Korean teacher at the same time.
I actually don't know much at all about K-pop. I learn everything about the groups I review during the making of these episodes. For example, I spent a week or so only watching videos about Stray Kids, listening to their songs, and picking out short clips I could grade. After finishing, I think I kind of understand them but I'm still a complete beginner.
I agree with one of the comment which said NCT members, but also Seventeen and Treasure has quite a few foreign members, so I think they would be interesting as well
Seventeen would be good! I'm curious to here Billy's analysis of Vernon specifically since he's said in the past that his mom doesn't know Korean so their family spoke a lot of English at home.
3y has passed and Felix is now more popular in SK than ever.. So here I am asking for an update maybe? I'm sure his Korean has improved phenomenally since then
Seventeen would be really interesting as they have two Chinese members, one member who grew up in America and one who moved to Korea when he was 5 (I know Vernon is fluent btw, i am a carat, I just think it would be interesting to see Billy's reaction, even if he just says that he's a native)
YES, not Vernon tho, he actually is really good at Korean and he lived in Korea (like actual Korea, not anywhere on base) longer than the rest. Jun, Hao, and Shua should be good enough.
@@smyunicorn i completely agree about Vernon but I think it would be interesting to see a reaction since he's still classed as 'foreign' member (which i don't really agree with lol)
@@em10ant well he's classed as foriegn because he's half korean. i dont agree either tbh. but some people think that even being a gyopo is more korean than a half korean raised in korea. im a half korean, so i get viewed as a foriegner a lot too.
11:08 this part omg, but it's good to know your voice naturally changes in a different language, I was trying to keep the same natural tone I have in Korean, but it sounds really weird haha... I'll just stop doing that
Poor Felix….he was so new to Korean and its WAY different hearing you or another teacher (who speaks slowly and distinctly) than hearing a native speaker go full throttle in an normal pace. Things can sound completely different 🤣
As someone who moved when I was like 13 to a different country that almost no one spoke my native language I relate to felix its literally insane how fast someone can learn a new language desperately trying to communicate and express thoughts and feelings.personally in about two years I was able to speak almost fluently English from 0 and I managed to also learn French and like reach a mediocre level and all that came simply from the desire to communicate properly with others
23:43 I must say tho, we use this sound in Australia as well, perhaps not the exact sound, but an inwards breath through gritted teeth when we're thinking for sure
I’m so proud of felix pleaseee 🤧🤧🤧 you don’t know how heartbreaking it was watching him struggling with life in a new country, not knowing the language, the dance, the techniques, all at 16 years old. Imagine. He does sounds awkward at times, BUT his improvements are amazing. And yes, he IS inspiring 😭😭😭 우리 뽁이 넘 잘했엉 👍🏼👏🏼
Chan is fluent in Korean but there are some words that he can’t really pronounce. Like he didn’t know what the Scorpio zodiac sign was in Korean so the members just had to tell him but he does know the word
Well I don't know what many of those signs are called in Korean either so... :P I looked up some and they're just the animal name + 자리 (from the word "constellation") so should be easy to remember after learning them.
What is like really interesting for Chan in my opinion is that in his vlives he sometimes starts a sentence in english and then switches to korean in the middle of the sentence. I feel like because he speaks in korean the whole day (except when he talks to Felix for example), he feels more comfortable speaking korean currently. This would probably change when he would visit his family in australia because he would speak more english during this time but because he is in korea the whole time, I personally feel like he feels more comfortable speaking korean because he is used to talk in korean the whole day. Good video, it was really nice to watch and see the comparison. You also seem really kind and respectful :)
Must've been hard to research about stray kids since they have a lot of contents 😆 thank you for this, felix worked very hard learning korean, he couldn't speak korean at all when he first arrived in korea to become a trainee. His member lee know, helped him a lot in learning korean too and the members have talked about how felix studied diligently everyday. Felix is still learning while bangchan is almost a native speaker now.
yay ive been waiting for this one :D thanks for making a video on them ^^ i think it would be fun looking at the group NCT as 14 out of 23 members are foreigners / lived in other countries before. with them it's really interesting to see the range in their fluidity in korean because there are some who have been learning korean for almost 10 years and others who only started about 2 years ago.
I’m a Japanese STAY and working as a Japanese language teacher. Though I don’t understand Korean at all, your analysis was so interesting. Especially about the part of making new personality when people start to learn a new language, I totally agree with you!! FYI, BangChan speaks Japanese with English accent, not with Korean accent. Anyway compared to my poor English, their Korean is good enough to use at work!! I’m so proud of them.
Felix talking with YG is me in my korean classes at university (which is kinda sad, since I am supposed to be A2/B1 in my 3rd Semester 😅, but learning through online classes and not in person is pretty hard)
Chan actually is a native Korean speaker! He was born in Korea and his family moved to Australia when he was young; he wasn’t born there. He’s said he learned English there when he started going there to school while he already knew Korean. He then moved back to Korea and had the opportunity to “refresh his memory” for some time before joining Stray Kids. Felix’ family has been in Australia for two to three generations at this point. Felix has said he mixed Korean and English a lot, but it’s a given that the Korean in his household was very limited since his family has lived outside of Korea for a while.
As a korean learner, i find these videos soooo useful! They show great examples of mistakes any new learner could easily make and it makes me feel more motivated to study this beautiful language
I’ve always wanted to know how good Felix’s Korean was bc I knew he only started learning Korean in 2017. I’m glad he’s getting better, I’m so proud. He makes me want to work harder on my Korean, if he can learn Korean in 3 years then so can I😌(if I study hard enough📚😁)
Felix was eliminated in the survival show because when he sang/rapped in korean it didn't sound natural. He was still learning korean at that time and wasn't quite fluent enough and didn't understand quite a lot of things but now he is fluent
I’m really glad I watched this video! When you talked about “sounding like a native”, you broke it down really well. I feel like sometimes we obsess over it. We are never going to speak like a native because we aren’t a native. This was super helpful especially when it comes to not just learning grammar but tones and sounds. Thank you so much!!!😌😊🥺
This was such a positive and respectful video - thank you for cheering them on! I hope Felix gets to see this because he has said before that he's still not so confident in his Korean skills, some kind words like this might help boost him see he is doing even better than he thinks :)
We are immigrants to US and our son doesn’t understand or know our language. Even we have begun forget our language. And when we speak our native tongue, we mix a lot of English into it! I cannot imagine our son going back to our original country and then adjust the way Felix did. Even I had trouble recently when I went back to visit after 7yrs. I have even forgot lot of cultural norms. It is very hard. Good for Felix and lot of other Kpop stars for doing this but it is NOT an easy thing to do!
Bang Chan and Felix are awesome!! 🖤🖤🖤 I'm so glad you analyzed them as I'm a total sucker for them and Stray Kids. I'm glad you became a Stay(their fan club name) with your duu duu duu. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Thank you! 🥀
Felix is really relatable to me since I know exactly how it feels to arrive in a new country with near to no language ability (I grew up in Poland but moved to England) and I also know how hard it is especially in formal settings to wrap your head around everything. It took me 7 years to learn the language and accent enough for natives to think I'm a native as well but I still have quite a lot of slip ups here and there. I'm so happy to know that there are other people that I can share that experience with. ♡:)
I seriously watch your videos from beginning to the end, and that’s rare for me 😂 I don’t realize it until the video is over. I’m a beginner in learning Korean so this is very very informative! Thank you!
It’s fun to watch this because I’ve been following this group since the survivor show started and even as a non Korean speaking person I could tell even before anybody pointed it out that he got better at Korean just in a few weeks ( from the time he got eliminated to the time of their final stage on the survivor show) so I thought that was really cool.
@@purpleiw970 maam accent isn't priority when the focus of language learning is communication and understanding. it really doesn't mean that for speaking well she would need to do it just like minnie and yuqi. that's stupid
@@doublemoon7720 Yes, just wanted to point out that her Korean is still not that good, she often struggles with it, even with saying simple phrases/words and don't understand it. She reminds me of myself a lot.
love to see you complimenting felix’s korean! I’m so amazed by how he basically taught himself a whole language. he’s an inspiration for sure!! also seemed like you were falling for our leader a little!! haha he is so charming and cute (also super talented)! great video! thank you! 💖
Hello! Can you please also do IZ*ONE’s Japanese members, Sakura, Nako, and Hitomi? Prior to coming to Korea for Produce 48, they know little to none of the Korean languange. It’s been a little more than two years already since they debuted so I’m wondering if you can see how much they’ve improved :)
Would be interesting if you did a video about Got7 members, they are from 3 different countries- USA, Thailand and Hong Kong. They've been a group since 7 years so there is a lot of material showing their improvement
mhhm it helps chan a lot that he went to high school in korea and was constantly surrounded by korean trainees so i think he naturally learnt korean very quickly. his english impresses me too, for someone who has lived in a different country so long, his vocab is massive and he managed to keep such a good aussie accent.
Felix's Korean ability after 2yrs, is so much more advanced than mine even after 4yrs 😭 Billy, how did u get so good while still living in America? I am struggling so badly. I am 47, and I started learning 4yrs ago.
i’m learning korean right now and this video was weirdly so helpful?? like the stuff you mentioned about tone and flow, it really put it in perspective for me. thank you so much!
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Bangchan speaking so passionately about a donut 😂
Tell me it isn't on brand though 🤣
@@BasementRuthie ha. That's the most chan thing chan has done.
But did you see the donut though. I would react exactly like him, with the only difference being me talking to myself, reviewing the donut out loud alone in my room, instead of to a camera to millions of people
@@cilantroisbetterthanparsley 🤣🤣🤣
Where are you from?
Imagine going to Korea, knowing nothing but English, having to learn another language with a different alphabet, training and practicing day and night... AND THE STRESS TOO??? The stress of the survival show would have made everyone lost their Korean 😭
However, I'm really proud of Felix and his improvement
Ikr!! 😭😭😭 He's done so well
well, aren't his parents korean?
@@mulbaybetul5924 yes
@@mulbaybetul5924 12:47 man
during a live, he said that some nights he only got about 20 minutes of sleep just from trying to learn korean
the way you are giving felix compliments makes me happy. he's still insecure about his korean, so seeing someone like you who has studied for years complimenting him makes me happy. thank you.
i hope felix sees this 🥺
@@nicoleisasupreme❤ 🪞
Ironically, Felix was eliminated because his korean isn't good enough..
Well he sure showed them :-)
Offended
And that sure still piss me off
Yeah it added to the reasons I want to fight JYP
imagine getting eliminated bc ur Korean is not good and the judges completely disregarding your skills😐 this is y I don't like these shows
chan did speak korean back in australia!
he said that they would mix korean and english a lot, and the times we've seen his parents they do speak korean to him and his siblings so he did use it before, he just started using it almost full time once he moved
Yeah , he already could speak quite well when he came to Korea. Ironically, (one of) the only way(s) to tell that he isn't fully native is that he grew up mixing both languanges while speaking at home. He still has the tendancy to switch up some expressions while speaking, he uses a lot of English wow's and Korean waah's. On the other hand, it is remarkable how good he is at swiching from one language to the other. Although, I think that he often hasn't realised that he has switched from language. When fans ask him questions in his live's, he has answered them countless times in the wrong language.
That doesnt equal fluent though. A lot of children of immigrant parents wind up with "kitchen" language. They can communicate around daily activities but not on a deeper level. And usually they cant read very well in the language if it uses a different script.
Of course, what I was trying to say was just that he did have a background on it, something he could rely on that would help with making friendships that I can suppose were the reason he could pick up so much of what he knows now
@@pumpkinsandme6238 That’s me 😔✋ I can completely understand it and I can speak better than most of peers, but I literally cannot read to save my life. I can write my own name and my brother’s but that’s about it lol
Chan had a little advantage because he’s a first generation Australian meaning his parents’ native tongue is Korean but Felix is a third generation immigrant so he doesn’t have that advantage.
You said " i am not perfect " but As a korean i think your korean skill is better than meㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Does he have an accent when speaking?
@@mijcol3059 he does a little
Omg why are you everywhere 😂
@@juno1765 주노週盧
better than my korean
Watch BangChan mentioning this video in his next live ahahaha
Well I doubt any of them would see it because celebrities are pretty busy :P
@@GoBillyKorean he sees everything (surprising as he's really busy)
Let me know if he does, but I doubt he will :P
@@GoBillyKorean They ARE busy but as an ARMY, let me tell you we have been shocked by what BTS know about our memes and jokes so... it could happen.
🤣 🤣 🤣
hyunjin (another straykids member) always talks about how he likes that felix talks bc felix talks in a formalish way
9:04 “Felix look at you, you’re doing it!” Okay but why did this make me emotional 🥺 I’m so so so incredibly proud of Felix. I can only imagine how scary and stressful it would be to move to a new country at 17 by yourself where you can BARELY speak the language, and you’re not just living your life as a normal kid, but going through intense trainings to jumpstart your career where communication is especially important. I could never. Felix is amazing
I think another important thing to add is that Bang Chan writes lyrics which encompasses skills of writing a language which is difficult by itself and even more when it's for music. Chan can read, listen, speak and write Korean the way I think most natives can so I always think that he is a native speaker.
Chan spoke Korean in Australia - he grew up bilingual (speaking Korean and English (mixed) in his household) but of course when he moved to Korea he started speaking it fully.
@@immyrichie14 Yeah it definitely helped but I doubt he formally learnt Korean when he was in Australia which meant that he might not have wrote Korean formally because writing is really another ball game for a language. I am learning Korean, Japanese and German and among reading, listening, speaking, writing, writing is always the one that is the toughest, and would be (to me) the highest skillset of learning the language. I learnt Chinese formally but stopped for a long time and I can still speak to my family comfortably but asking me to read novels/newspapers or write a simple story would be very difficult. Maybe Chan and others would have different experiences but this is what I think.
Chan still ask others to check his korean lyrics, he's much better in korean now. Asian countries who speaks english aren't considered native speakers even if they speak fluently so I think chan is like that.
he can even read greek ✋
@@hwnglxys9985 omg really?? Or is this a joke
Even until now, 2021, Felix is still insecure about his korean. Seeing someone professional like you complimented him make me feels happy. I can say he improved a lot this year, he did a good job. It’s not easy to learn a new language when he himself is so busy with his schedule as an idol. I’m proud
wait why? has he said?
i'm here because of stray kids AND because Billy is a great teacher, love it
me tooo
SAME!.
as a stay and an avid Billy's lessons learner, i never expected this crossover, this makes me very happy thank you 🥺
I KNOW HOW.YOU FEEL
The crossover we never knew we needed ❤️
sameeee lolll
Same here!
*when 2 worlds collide* 🤪
Bang Chan usually helps Felix with his Korean whenever he doesn’t understand what the members are saying in Korean
I know this comment is probably up here but members from NCT and WayV would be really interesting, they are probably the most dominant group in the category of foreign members, especially WayV for Chinese being the main language in the groups’ songs but still singing and communicating in Korean in other videos. Probably more specifically, Ten (I believe he knows 5 languages..?) and Yangyang (I think Korean is the most recent language for him?)
Yes!!! Just commented about them
Yess
yes! that’s what i wanna see too
there can also be moments where they will flip between their native language, or have to translate, and I just think it is absolutely insane when the guys do that, or yeah even Ten when he has actually stated that he can't just smoothly transition between the 5 languages he knows and that his brain malfunctions a little bit. That's wild.
@@elizabethseravello2058 that happens to me too, when I try to switch from mandarin to french I start malfunctioning lol
i really like that you pointed out that just because they have korean parents doesn't mean they'll know how to speak korean. this applies to a lot of families from countries that don't speak english. i'm afro-latina and just about everyone in the older generations of my family can speak spanish, but the younger ones (like myself) can't. it's took me a long time to understand that this is okay because growing up, other hispanics wouldn't believe i was hispanic solely because i couldn't speak spanish
I think it's an important piece of info, because a lot of people get mistreated or sometimes discriminated against for not speaking their parents' language as if they're lazy or something - but in reality that's just how language learning works. Even having parents that speak a certain language doesn't mean too much. For my kid (who speaks both), the reason he speaks Korean well despite living in the US is because we actively do a lot of Korean language exercises and training. I'll make a video about it later with more details, but if we just spoke Korean to him at home he'd still end up just speaking English later and never becoming near native level.
@@GoBillyKorean i love that you're doing that with your kid! i worked at a preschool a couple years ago and the other teachers, along with myself, constantly encouraged the parents to continue teaching their children their native language because they'll pick up learning english while they're in school with ease. one kid came to the preschool only knowing romanian but in a few months he was able to communicate with us pretty well! his progress was amazing
@@GoBillyKorean What you said is true. My family shames and laughs at me whenever they can because I´m not able to speak Russian. I´m not seen as "one of them" even though I identify myself more with their culture than the one I grew up in. Also, I think some people forget that it takes effort to learn a language when you don´t grow up in this specific country. My father was confused about me not being able to read fluently even though it´s not my fault - no one taught me the Cyrillic alphabet. Individuals like me who have been shamed find themselves in a vicious cycle. You want to learn the language, but you were rejected so much that you don't dare, which in turn makes you get criticized again. I get teary-eyed whenever I hear someone speak fluent Russian - with proper intonation. I love this language and I regret having forgotten it - it feels like a piece of my identity is missing.
When Chan was growing up, his parents spoke to him and his siblings in English and Korean around the house. So when he joined JYPE, he was already pretty much fluent if not completely fluent
His only problem was his accent lol, GOT7 members had said "the kid with the weird accent asked me to go eat ramen with him"
@@cilantroisbetterthanparsley not "the kid with the weird accent"💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
@@Tchubirubirabidubi Srsly though I remember one of them saying that but I forgot where, when and which member. I swear I'm not making this up lol
@@cilantroisbetterthanparsley it wasn't got7 i Think it was 2 day6 member
@@Vogelfreie. Oof you might be right
1:36 Felix and the other eliminated member, Lee Know, were brought back due to the backlash from fans. In the last episode JYP said that he still saw lots of flaws in some members but relented to hold a public vote to take viewers opinions into account, and they were voted back in with overwhelming majority. I’m really glad the boys all debuted together :)
You don’t understand how LONG IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
SAAAMEEEE
The most interesting one would be the japanese of izone since they only started learning Korean about 2 years ago and they all started at the same time.
Yesss and there is footage from the beginning of their study until now
I second this! And each of the jline have their strengths in korean learning.
@@JustMe-12345 uP
Yeah, pls
it helps that the grammer is the same..
someone needs to send this to felix ! he’s insecure about his korean and this would totally boost his confidence ^-^
0:27
*"All I can say is, *DUDUDUDU intensifies*"*
I legit laughed out loud.
Same 😂😂
I'm not crying, you're crying. 🥺 I'm so proud of Felix! If you guys are wanting to learn Korean, use him as your inspiration!!
I envy how fast he's improved 🥺
Also fun fact: Chan actually attended high school in korea when he went there to train. He went to the same high school as Seungmin and was in natural science faculty..so I believe he had been kind of a proficient speaker by then
NCT has a lot of non-Korean members! Johnny/Mark from USA/Canada, Yuta from Japan, Ten from Thailand would be interesting :)
+WayV members and Shotaro as well
I think a video on Yuta would be interesting. He is from Japan but he apparently speaks perfect Korean
Wait Ten is from Thailand? Why did I think that he was Chinese?
@@tabithabeck1204 if I remember correctly he is part Chinese
@@tabithabeck1204 I think his ethnicity is Chinese but his nationality is Thai
As a language learner myself these boys, especially Felix, are a huge inspiration. I've been learning Russian for about seven years (I'm 18 now) and sometimes I feel bad that I've been studying for so long but still don't feel very fluent. Felix improved so much in such a short time, it makes me hopeful that if I practice enough and stop worrying about mistakes I'll get better :)
You got this!! Also, Felix was quickly immersed in Korean, so he had to learn. You can immerse yourself at home, but you probably have less of a pressing force as he did. Good luck, I believe in you :)
Well tbh all foreign kpop idols are surrounded by korean 24/7 so they’ll have an “easier” time absorbing and learning korean.
У тебя получится!
Actually, Chan did speak Korean back in Australia from what we know. He's talked about it sometimes during his lives and his family has a RUclips channel in which we often hear them speak Korean. Or at least for the ones I've watched, since I didn't watch everything either. So he probably had good basis when moving to Korea as well! ^^ (which has you say multiple times doesn't erase the effort and progress he's made!)
It's also a very interesting analysis regarding Felix's tone! I didn't notice through the years, so it's great to hear the difference with those clips back to back! And the hear the phenomena progress he's made as well!! I remember back in 2017, when they were doing lives and he was mostly watching and listening on the side, focusing on what was said. And now he's taking part fully into group conversations and that's really beautiful 🥰
The video also made me learn some new things regarding the language! (I finally know how to say 2 months as in the time that has passed and not the month.. thanks for that haha, took me 3 years 😅) Always learning a little more everyday~ Thanks a lot for this video!
As an Aussie I'm so proud of Felix and Chris. I confess perhaps my favourite videos are seeing a broad aussie accent come out of those beautiful Korean faces 🤣
Aussie here too, and yes, those broad accents they have are totally adorable.
They look Korean, and sound completely Aussie when speaking English.
You are super familiar with Kpop as well. (Even more than me)
To be honest I'm watching your videos to study English as a Korean teacher lol.. It's super helpful. You are basically an English teacher and a Korean teacher at the same time.
I actually don't know much at all about K-pop. I learn everything about the groups I review during the making of these episodes. For example, I spent a week or so only watching videos about Stray Kids, listening to their songs, and picking out short clips I could grade. After finishing, I think I kind of understand them but I'm still a complete beginner.
I would love it if - now in 2023 - you would revisit Felix's and Bang Chan's Korean to see if they've improved since your 2021 video.
I agree with one of the comment which said NCT members, but also Seventeen and Treasure has quite a few foreign members, so I think they would be interesting as well
Seventeen would be good! I'm curious to here Billy's analysis of Vernon specifically since he's said in the past that his mom doesn't know Korean so their family spoke a lot of English at home.
I hadn’t heard Lix’s side by side Korean improvement and it really motivated me (and made me cry lol) ty for this video !! i really really enjoyed it
😂😂😂 bang showed so much love for his donut❤
3y has passed and Felix is now more popular in SK than ever.. So here I am asking for an update maybe? I'm sure his Korean has improved phenomenally since then
Seventeen would be really interesting as they have two Chinese members, one member who grew up in America and one who moved to Korea when he was 5
(I know Vernon is fluent btw, i am a carat, I just think it would be interesting to see Billy's reaction, even if he just says that he's a native)
Yessss
YES, not Vernon tho, he actually is really good at Korean and he lived in Korea (like actual Korea, not anywhere on base) longer than the rest. Jun, Hao, and Shua should be good enough.
@@smyunicorn i completely agree about Vernon but I think it would be interesting to see a reaction since he's still classed as 'foreign' member (which i don't really agree with lol)
@@em10ant well he's classed as foriegn because he's half korean. i dont agree either tbh. but some people think that even being a gyopo is more korean than a half korean raised in korea. im a half korean, so i get viewed as a foriegner a lot too.
Vernon is fluent tho
Yaaas I was waiting for this. Nct has the most non Korean members btw (WayV as well)
11:08 this part omg, but it's good to know your voice naturally changes in a different language, I was trying to keep the same natural tone I have in Korean, but it sounds really weird haha... I'll just stop doing that
Same, I have a naturally high voice and my voice goes lower when I speak Korean. I thought it was weird.
@@heyitskate7747 truee, mine does the same thing! Guess I should get used to it
Haha I didn't know it was a thing, I speak Spanish but I need to lower my tone if I want to speak English lol it's crazy how our voice tone changes
Poor Felix….he was so new to Korean and its WAY different hearing you or another teacher (who speaks slowly and distinctly) than hearing a native speaker go full throttle in an normal pace. Things can sound completely different 🤣
A recent vlive chan said he started learning english when he went to kindergarten which makes sense that his korean isn't 100 pecent.
Can you do Renjun and Chenle of NCT Dream too? They are Chinese but they sometimes joke around saying their Korean is better than the Korean members 😂
Yuta ones said that he's better then mark😂
I am very curious about them too.
Yesss i want nctttttt
Actually fun fact: Renjun kinda grew up speaking Korean! As he is born between where the border of China and Korea is, so he does know a lot
Yees!
It would be really nice, if in some of next episodes you'll talk about Got7's or NCT's foreign members
As someone who moved when I was like 13 to a different country that almost no one spoke my native language I relate to felix its literally insane how fast someone can learn a new language desperately trying to communicate and express thoughts and feelings.personally in about two years I was able to speak almost fluently English from 0 and I managed to also learn French and like reach a mediocre level and all that came simply from the desire to communicate properly with others
23:43 I must say tho, we use this sound in Australia as well, perhaps not the exact sound, but an inwards breath through gritted teeth when we're thinking for sure
yeah, we do. and it has the negative connotations, like "im not sure about that" as well
those who learn korean from drama learn those sounds "kkh" and similar sounds even before learning hangul.
Please analyze G-Idle's foreign line - Minnie, Yuqi and Shuhua
OMG YES! especially Shuhua lol
Yeah, I really hope he will take this request in consideration...
@@Tchubirubirabidubi Even Soojin tbh, will be so funny X'DD
I know she's korean but I'm sure my fellows Neverland got me on this ^^'
I love these series! I suggest GOT7 for the next episode - Mark (USA), Jackson (Hong kong) and Bambam (Thailand)
Billy's already seen Jackson in the Tzuyu "boring" clip, but not being into idols, I wonder if he knew Jackson was non-native.
UPPPPP
Yes please
Yeeeees upp
Hell yh #AmeriThaiKong
Thank you so much for doing Felix and Bang Chan!!! As a Stay learning Korean this was super inspiring :)
I’m so proud of felix pleaseee 🤧🤧🤧 you don’t know how heartbreaking it was watching him struggling with life in a new country, not knowing the language, the dance, the techniques, all at 16 years old. Imagine. He does sounds awkward at times, BUT his improvements are amazing. And yes, he IS inspiring 😭😭😭 우리 뽁이 넘 잘했엉 👍🏼👏🏼
Chan is fluent in Korean but there are some words that he can’t really pronounce. Like he didn’t know what the Scorpio zodiac sign was in Korean so the members just had to tell him but he does know the word
Well I don't know what many of those signs are called in Korean either so... :P I looked up some and they're just the animal name + 자리 (from the word "constellation") so should be easy to remember after learning them.
i am running to our living room to beg my dad to make him buy some donuts
What is like really interesting for Chan in my opinion is that in his vlives he sometimes starts a sentence in english and then switches to korean in the middle of the sentence. I feel like because he speaks in korean the whole day (except when he talks to Felix for example), he feels more comfortable speaking korean currently. This would probably change when he would visit his family in australia because he would speak more english during this time but because he is in korea the whole time, I personally feel like he feels more comfortable speaking korean because he is used to talk in korean the whole day.
Good video, it was really nice to watch and see the comparison. You also seem really kind and respectful :)
Must've been hard to research about stray kids since they have a lot of contents 😆 thank you for this, felix worked very hard learning korean, he couldn't speak korean at all when he first arrived in korea to become a trainee. His member lee know, helped him a lot in learning korean too and the members have talked about how felix studied diligently everyday. Felix is still learning while bangchan is almost a native speaker now.
16:31 Chan is so cute i swear this shows that literally everyone falls for Chan, Billy is just smiling at THE CUTENESS
oh wonderful! thanks for this video ))
I'm totally zero in Korean but was really curious about Felix's one :D
11:07 *instant flashbacks to jackson's "AnNyEoNgHaSeYo!"*
lmaooo
yay ive been waiting for this one :D thanks for making a video on them ^^
i think it would be fun looking at the group NCT as 14 out of 23 members are foreigners / lived in other countries before. with them it's really interesting to see the range in their fluidity in korean because there are some who have been learning korean for almost 10 years and others who only started about 2 years ago.
I’m a Japanese STAY and working as a Japanese language teacher. Though I don’t understand Korean at all, your analysis was so interesting. Especially about the part of making new personality when people start to learn a new language, I totally agree with you!! FYI, BangChan speaks Japanese with English accent, not with Korean accent. Anyway compared to my poor English, their Korean is good enough to use at work!! I’m so proud of them.
Felix talking with YG is me in my korean classes at university (which is kinda sad, since I am supposed to be A2/B1 in my 3rd Semester 😅, but learning through online classes and not in person is pretty hard)
Chan actually is a native Korean speaker! He was born in Korea and his family moved to Australia when he was young; he wasn’t born there. He’s said he learned English there when he started going there to
school while he already knew Korean. He then moved back to Korea and had the opportunity to “refresh his memory” for some time before joining Stray Kids.
Felix’ family has been in Australia for two to three generations at this point. Felix has said he mixed Korean and English a lot, but it’s a given that the Korean in his household was very limited since his family has lived outside of Korea for a while.
As a korean learner, i find these videos soooo useful! They show great examples of mistakes any new learner could easily make and it makes me feel more motivated to study this beautiful language
I’ve always wanted to know how good Felix’s Korean was bc I knew he only started learning Korean in 2017. I’m glad he’s getting better, I’m so proud. He makes me want to work harder on my Korean, if he can learn Korean in 3 years then so can I😌(if I study hard enough📚😁)
Felix was eliminated in the survival show because when he sang/rapped in korean it didn't sound natural. He was still learning korean at that time and wasn't quite fluent enough and didn't understand quite a lot of things but now he is fluent
오빠 사랑해요 고마워! 🤣 Thanks for doing them. I’ve been wondering how gold Chan is and how Felix has grown. We appreciate you. 🙇♂️
I’m really glad I watched this video! When you talked about “sounding like a native”, you broke it down really well. I feel like sometimes we obsess over it. We are never going to speak like a native because we aren’t a native. This was super helpful especially when it comes to not just learning grammar but tones and sounds. Thank you so much!!!😌😊🥺
I really enjoyed this video Billy! Here's some of my suggestions~
NCT Mark and Yuta
Seventeen Jun and The8
This was such a positive and respectful video - thank you for cheering them on! I hope Felix gets to see this because he has said before that he's still not so confident in his Korean skills, some kind words like this might help boost him see he is doing even better than he thinks :)
*BANG CHAN brought him back to the team*
We are immigrants to US and our son doesn’t understand or know our language. Even we have begun forget our language. And when we speak our native tongue, we mix a lot of English into it! I cannot imagine our son going back to our original country and then adjust the way Felix did. Even I had trouble recently when I went back to visit after 7yrs. I have even forgot lot of cultural norms. It is very hard. Good for Felix and lot of other Kpop stars for doing this but it is NOT an easy thing to do!
Thank you for your insight!! Could you please do G-idle?
foreign line:
Minnie (Thai)
Shuhua (Taiwanese)
Yuqi (Chinese)
I've been learning korean with you for a while because of SKZ, so excited to see you do this!
Me learning Korean and being so excited to find this channel.
Bang Chan and Felix are awesome!! 🖤🖤🖤 I'm so glad you analyzed them as I'm a total sucker for them and Stray Kids. I'm glad you became a Stay(their fan club name) with your duu duu duu. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Thank you! 🥀
omg as a stay and as someone learning Korean through your content, this video really makes me happy !!
I kinda wanna suggest nct but I don't want to overwhelm him cause they have 13 foreign members💀
Felix is really relatable to me since I know exactly how it feels to arrive in a new country with near to no language ability (I grew up in Poland but moved to England) and I also know how hard it is especially in formal settings to wrap your head around everything. It took me 7 years to learn the language and accent enough for natives to think I'm a native as well but I still have quite a lot of slip ups here and there. I'm so happy to know that there are other people that I can share that experience with. ♡:)
I seriously watch your videos from beginning to the end, and that’s rare for me 😂 I don’t realize it until the video is over. I’m a beginner in learning Korean so this is very very informative! Thank you!
OMG YAYYY i've literally been waiting for this video ㅠㅠ
“Felix letting more air out of his mouth” is I think how his Aussie accent comes through.
wow this analysis was sooo complete 😯 even helped me to realize some korean language aspects I didn't know!
It’s fun to watch this because I’ve been following this group since the survivor show started and even as a non Korean speaking person I could tell even before anybody pointed it out that he got better at Korean just in a few weeks ( from the time he got eliminated to the time of their final stage on the survivor show) so I thought that was really cool.
I think Jae from Day6 is a good one to analyze!
Jae not Jay🙃🙃
@@xX-um4qv oops didnt realize the typo hahaha
Felix is our hard-working sunshine and Stray Kids would never be the same without him
(G)-Idle's Yuqi, Minnie and Shuhua next please! You sure going to be amazed with their skills
yes!
Minnie's and especially Yuqi's, but Shuhua is not fluent and her accent is still not that good
@@purpleiw970 maam accent isn't priority when the focus of language learning is communication and understanding. it really doesn't mean that for speaking well she would need to do it just like minnie and yuqi. that's stupid
@@doublemoon7720 Yes, just wanted to point out that her Korean is still not that good, she often struggles with it, even with saying simple phrases/words and don't understand it. She reminds me of myself a lot.
@@purpleiw970 her korean is definitely good. struggling times doesn't means that it is bad (???)
When Chan started eating his donut, I immediately looked at Billy and thought “You want to eat too, right?” 🤣
OH WOW HI I FOLLOWED BILLY BECAUSE I WAS SO EAGER TO LEARN KOREAN SINCE I DISCOVERED STRAY KIDS HHH NOW HES ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THEM WOW
LOL SAME HERE!
love to see you complimenting felix’s korean! I’m so amazed by how he basically taught himself a whole language. he’s an inspiration for sure!! also seemed like you were falling for our leader a little!! haha he is so charming and cute (also super talented)! great video! thank you! 💖
I’m sure he has tutors
I'm like... fangirl-ing through the whole video. The sounds are just too cute for me!
Hello! Can you please also do IZ*ONE’s Japanese members, Sakura, Nako, and Hitomi? Prior to coming to Korea for Produce 48, they know little to none of the Korean languange. It’s been a little more than two years already since they debuted so I’m wondering if you can see how much they’ve improved :)
Agreed. I'd think Miyawaki had a lot of pressure to improve her Korean so she could appear on more variety shows.
YESSSS especially for hitomi!! since she learned it in like 9 months
Thank you so much. I have learned a lot and look forward to more reaction Korean language tips. You combined learning with stray kids was awesome.
if i learn enough to be able to deliver zingers, id be pretty damn happy with that.
this video is actually pretty good at explaining! & im glad you said it lightheartedly, they would be happy to see this :)
Thats so true! I also change the tone of my voice. I sound more calm and reserved (maybe also more curious when Im asking questions) in Korean
Would be interesting if you did a video about Got7 members, they are from 3 different countries- USA, Thailand and Hong Kong. They've been a group since 7 years so there is a lot of material showing their improvement
mhhm it helps chan a lot that he went to high school in korea and was constantly surrounded by korean trainees so i think he naturally learnt korean very quickly. his english impresses me too, for someone who has lived in a different country so long, his vocab is massive and he managed to keep such a good aussie accent.
this is so interesting thanks for making this!!!! been wanting a skz once since you did twice 😂 so glad it’s here!!
This is such a cool concept of video and very interesting too !!
Omg i was waiting for this video but that was too early wow straykids domination
Felix's Korean ability after 2yrs, is so much more advanced than mine even after 4yrs 😭 Billy, how did u get so good while still living in America? I am struggling so badly. I am 47, and I started learning 4yrs ago.
I just started learning korean and I'm so impressed at how good you can speak korean as a foreigner. I want to be that good too ^_^
i’m learning korean right now and this video was weirdly so helpful?? like the stuff you mentioned about tone and flow, it really put it in perspective for me. thank you so much!