How England ALMOST Abandoned America (And if They Did)
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- If I were to ask you what year America was founded, I'm sure that you'd probably say that it was founded in the year 1776. And, sure, the United States was founded as an independent nation in the year 1776. But, America as a people have been around for far longer than that, back to the year 1607, with the establishment of the Settlement of Jamestown. But, conditions in Jamestown were so bad, in fact, that England almost completely abandoned the colony outright. So, what if, in an alternate timeline, England had abandoned America?
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I honestly thought the scenario was gonna follow the question of "what if the English colonies broke away from England during the English civil war", and why it could've been interesting is because the Colonies sided with the King even after he was beheaded. So then it could've been like oh what if King Charles escaped to America or like what if the English monarchy was exiled in 15 whatever year it was. It could've been a Brazil like story of an exiled Monarch taking advantage of the new world to create a stronger nation than the homeland.
You have a great point however nobody would say Brazil was more powerful or "better" than Portugal so the thing you said about "creation of a stronger nation than the homeland" does not actually apply to Brazil vs. Portugal, like you said. But I know what you mean and I like the idea.
It would be interesting to explore a world where the failed colonies of America succeeded instead of the real ones. Like New Sweden, New Holland, Acadia, France Antarctique, Scottish Panama, Fort Caroline, Charlesbourg Royal, Popham, Roanoke, Ajacan mission and Santa Elena. And maybe a successful native state in New England led by Metacomet.
What if… the Kingdom of Sicily remained independent and king William didn’t die without a successor.
i feel like its too broard for him to have a completely different line of succession and alternate monarchs
You want a wild journey my friend😂 God himself only knows how that all turned out, but not gonna lie you’ve peaked my interest in the timeline👀
We have not forgotten josh, and we have certainly Have not Forgiven.
Does he have not the right to spoke his opinion damn
@@lancegabrielpatrimonio3391 Originally, I agreed with him on the first vid until he went crazy criticizing ph's vids, and ph apologized, now seeing the video became popular after his video flopped, he makes another one AND COMPLETELY IGNORES PH'S CIVILIZED APOLOGY
Is there a possibility that at a later point, England could take New Netherlands, as they did the Cape Colony? Could New Netherlands be the South Africa of this timeline?
Thanks for the Video!
It was Fascinating to watch!
What if Vlad the Impaler is still alive?
You mean what if he was never assassinated?? Well he'd retake Walachia from his brother. And he could continue to push against Mehmed II while his brother continues to live in Ottoman territory.
@@Carpediem357 If he was never staged by the Hungarians and Imprisoned.
But I was thinking more about if he lived in silence and survived to this day.
I thought Captain John Smith was sent back to England because the people of the colony were unhappy with his leadership. Am I mistaken in this information?
Yes. School always loves putting misinformation and making history seem boring.
What if Italy had corsica during the life of Napoleon thus not letting him rise the ranks in France.
To my disappointment, there is no New Sweden.
I wanted New Sweden too, but it was conquered by the Dutch
@@JoshSullivanHistorynew Rome is better
No vinland why
Suggestion josh! What if Harold godwinson won the battle of hastings?
What if humans had longer life spans
You have a great narration voice and style :-)
Howdy josh! Love your content 😊😊😊❤❤❤
This scenario is so realistic, Napoleon, the Napoleonic Wars, & the occupation of Dutch colonies by Britain never existed!
Wow!
So you’re saying history is just false?
@@Azurethewolf168No, it’s probably sarcasm from is views involved alt-history. Bro went on a rant on how other forms of history was just junk content and continued beefing with a fellow content creator even after he apologized.
@@terminalimpact2771 damn, this dude just wants a fight
Josh does
@@Azurethewolf168 who? Josh or the guy who made the comment?
Wasn't there a previous Roanoke colony that got abandoned before the one that disappeared?
What if the Darien Scheme succeeded?
What if Magyars never made it in europe
What If the Treaty of London of 1518 succeeded?
Very cool video!
You should make a video about what if the treaty of tordesillas was respected.
nice video
What if Poland-Lithuania beat Russia and the partitions?
I don't see why the British wouldn't conquer parts of India still despite not having massive colonial holdings in America. The east India company had already been set up nearly a decade prior and the British obtained a port in 1608. The absence of British colonial holdings in America would also free up necessary resources to do other things, like pursue trade in India. While there presence may be diminished severley, I can see them conquering Bengal eventually and other surrounding regions (Historically the British had good relations with the Bengalese princes and eventually overthrew them)
Not sure it's the right niche but if anyone's very much into Early Modern British and Early US warfare I strongly recommend Schwerpunkt's videos series
What if Mathias Corvinus U-turned the Hungarian Kingdom on Christianity and became nomads again
My family got here on the Sea Venture which then got on the Deliverance ship
What if the Mongol invasions and Mongol Empire happened earlier in the 8th or 9th century
Cool video
That would be interesting for Britain to do
Nice
what if portugal remained relevant
Not realistic. But what if Charles I fled to the colonies during the English civil war and was never executed
Could this scenario also result in Britain trying way harder to set up a colony in Patagonia like they half heartedly tried in real life?
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What if time travelling the Vikings returned in 1800s England?
the eagle makes the flag more regal
What if the Grand Company created their own state in southern France?
What if England abandoned the Americas and Germany colonized it? And to explain this: here's how I see this happening. After the Napoleonic Wars ending in 1825. Austria and Prussia make a alliance to colonize the new world.
You can take any bits from this. It's just a basic idea
I doubt Britain would abandon a valuable colony like Canada, and the americas were pretty much conquered by the napoleonic wars so I personally don’t see this happening
@@user-tm4ds4wn1q well it follows this same story. They leave in 1603
I’m not sure India would be affected too much - far as the East India company goes they’d get even more focus from the crown.
What if Crassus conquered Persia alongside Publius
The Dutch take the East Coast and lose it to the French and Spanish. No British in the entire continent eventually. Russians take a bit more beyond Alaska, but not much.
I don't think there would be war over North American colonies, but colonies would be pulled in European wars
What if? And here’s what would happen if Josh apologized to Possible History
Still waiting on what if the Byzantium colonized the Americas
What if all Slavic people were Russian and orthodox
What if Dracula met THE Snail 🐌? And achieve actual immortality
The UK did abandon America when they left Okaroke
What if the Pope sent help to Michael the Brave
Im guessing this means British colonist ignore america which I believe that would lead to a Portuguese - Spanish America
I imagine the North-West of NA becoming a huge Russian colony, just as sparsely populated as anywhere else on the continent. And the natives would surely be more numerous, eventually developing their own nations (which they tried and failed IRL)
Howdy Josh! This was awesome! Question: What if the protestants won the 30 Years' War?
Technically they did, because religious tolerance in the christian realm (especially HRE) became much more widespread.
@@Jive1907
I know, but I wouldn't call that an outright victory. I would be interested in the Protestants (+France) managing to get more out of the peace, you know?
@@Wendeta-hq2cp yeah, it was a pyrrhic victory with minimal outcome
Edit: typo
What if argentina Wins the Malvinas war
what if kaliningrad oblast became part of US State 51st? What if Königsberg (East Prussia) was given to America instead of USSR after World War 2, and later turned into the 51st US state?
England would of taken the other colonies through peace treaties after winning wars so England Prevails
What if bela iii of hungary became the emperor of eastern roman empire
Ok I have a good old stupid sinario
What if Great britan newer become great? ( or What if napolion was bri'this but we don't talk abot it)
But if the English failed to establish profitable colonies in the Americas ... France and the dutch would have failed too... its only because England was so successful in the northern half of the continent (spain settled the south) that those other 2 decided to try their own in the area... if England wasn't able to figure it out, neither would anyone else, and spain would maintain a monopoly in America... or everyone would try to settle in the south like spain, because it was "easier" and they would focus on taking over other nations and tribes rather than establishing settled colonies...this is because the same issues that England encountered would happen to others as well. If it wasn't profitable for England, nobody else would even attempt to try. That's what im trying to say... spain got lucky because there was already pre established nations in the form of the aztecs and incas to conquer and assimilate, this helped spain become more profitable, if they had to start settling from scratch like Britain they probably would have failed as well... if England never discovered how to profit from furs or tobacco, nobody else would have figured it out either... its not safe to assume that one will succeed where the other failed just because they are a different culture. The starvation, fighting, and lack of resources, etc would have still affected any other nation attempting to colonize the exact same way as England, England had to have been there first to be the first to figure out how to overcome the challenges of colonizing the new would rather than conquering it...theres a huge difference between the two...
What if PLC maintained unions with Sweden and Russia during Vasa dynasty and by "God's Grace" united with eachother?
What if Hungary didn't sign Trianon?
I mean they tried but then got invaded from all sides
@@belablanck Idk, then there would probably be a harsher treaty ri-Nem, nem, soha!- I mean a harsher treaty right?
What if 💔🪓💪😂
So in other words, France and Spain would completely dominate North America as I think the French would definitely be able to completely invade New Amsterdam and once Philip V reigns in Spain, then North America would be a Bourbon continent.
G E K O L O N I S E E R D
Francia: Dios te escuche
what if the baltics alongside the vikings found the america's first?
Thank you Bermuda for playing a small but significant role in saving our colonial-era butts 🇺🇸🇧🇲
Initial founded in 1585
What if the HRE had colonies in North America?
It would probably be through the Hanseatic league.
@@s.r8665They would be like the Swedish & Dutch colonies: they wouldn’t last long
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Josh,Acadia and New-France aren't the same,it's a common mistake that I am annoyed to see, Acadia is a part of New-France but New-France isn't a part of Acadia,Acadia only encompasses New-Brunswick,Nova-Scotia,P.E.I and "les îles de la madeleine", while New-France is the entire collection of French colonies
It wasn't a mistake. It was intentional. I wasn't talking about the entirety of New France, I was talking about Acadia specifically.
@@JoshSullivanHistory so you are talking about the what would be the maritimes,Québecois believe they are a part of the core of New-France A.K.A the more densely populated parts and the parts around the great lakes, Louisiana and Acadia were populated too but just less then the actual core of the colony to show statistics the population of New-France was around 55000(in the 1700's),this is a pretty rough estimate but let's assume the core of New-France has 40000-45000,that would make Lousiana have around 10000 (mostly natives) and Acadia have around 5000(this is the reason why Acadians were assimilated but Québec wasn't they had way less people so it costed less money to the British),it's just not very representative of the population density
Im almost done with the video and just realized how early I am! 52nd comment!!
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Not. Economically. Viable.
What if England actually went Islamic
😂😂😂😂😂
You mean under John Lackland?
If he made a deal with an Almohad ruler, he would get quickly ousted, the question being if Louis the 8th would get the throne or an english noble. A Capetian Francengland would be terrifying though.
I wonder how much better off America would be with a Westminster system of Government, it would have be better than the shit show it has become. Many Americans want a Kingly figurehead, Trump ain't it though.
America is a term that refers to the continents of North and South America. The "American" identity you are discussing in this video is the United States of America.
Love how you havent lost any subscribers after your beef with Fredda and Possible History 😂
It’s a shame
@@FartSmella23 wdym?
this comment made me realise I never subscrived
He only really lost his respect in the community
@@FartSmella23 facts