What if the Crusades Succeeded?

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  • Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025

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  • @benetgamingchanel4055
    @benetgamingchanel4055 4 месяца назад +109

    By the way, thank you very much for pinning my comment in your 'What if Atatürk never existed?' Video. This is the first time a youtuber pinned my comment. So thank you.

  • @Ali-bu6lo
    @Ali-bu6lo 4 месяца назад +88

    Some additional notes:
    0) The Arabization of Egypt happened earlier than the religious change, I think Egypt was largely Arab by the time of the crusades, so unless the rise of nationalism changes it with Coptic being rivied, I don't think the death of Coptic would be much different.
    1) Survival of Christian Nubia
    2) A more Christian and more Semitic Ethiopia which would have risen earlier without the Ottomans backing of Adal Sultanate and the Oromo migration afterwards.
    3) Spain, Portugal and maybe France conquering the Maghreb without Ottomans preventing them from doing so.
    3) With no Islamic power west of the Euphrates and Iranian history not changed much, the Safavids would rise in Iran and be the only Islamic power in existence as The Mughal empire wouldn't exist either, the Safavids and Babur only failed to retake central Asia from Uzbeks because of Ottoman aid to Uzbeks, which led to Babur leaving for India. Islamic world would be more Shia as a result.
    4) As any scenario with no Ottoman empire, the dates of the exploration of Americas ae gonna change, which means really lucky conquests like that of the Aztecs and Incas may not happen until decades later. Leading to more natives in America.

    • @HistorysInfluence
      @HistorysInfluence  4 месяца назад +18

      Great notes/rebuttals as always. I've heard mixed things regarding the Ottoman contribution to Iberian exploration, it's a topic I want to do a non-althist on discussing in more detail to come to an informed opinion.

    • @yokaiou5848
      @yokaiou5848 3 месяца назад +3

      Those lucky conquests might get luckier since tech might be more advanced. Like Greek Fire and Indian rockets being used.

    • @Ali-bu6lo
      @Ali-bu6lo 3 месяца назад +1

      @@yokaiou5848 Those conquests weren't about technological superiority but very specific timing. Europeans were already so much more advanced than the natives that they couldn't offer much resistance if a real army attacked.
      Those conquests happened in a time that the native empires were just hit by disease and had no time to recover. If the conquest takes longer, the natives have time to recover their numbers and there might be situation more like the colonization of India or Africa.

    • @MorrisJohn-vo2vn
      @MorrisJohn-vo2vn 3 месяца назад

      ​@@Ali-bu6lo I think disease is overstated. The Portuguese essentially never beat any large African state in its core territory even when they had native allies.
      Disease alone doesn't explain that.

    • @Ali-bu6lo
      @Ali-bu6lo 3 месяца назад +3

      @@MorrisJohn-vo2vn I don't understand your comparison with Africa. Sub-Saharan Africans were immune to old world diseases. With the exception of the Khoisan. In fact, the situation was reversed as it was the European colonizers who weren't immune to horrifying African tropical diseases.

  • @blueking7425
    @blueking7425 4 месяца назад +16

    I honestly can’t express how amazing your work is, I love the details, the maps, the research that goes into it, and how realistic it is. I’ve seen how much your videos have improved over time and I like the kinda dry humor. This is such an underrated channel.

    • @HistorysInfluence
      @HistorysInfluence  4 месяца назад

      That's probably the kindest comment I've ever read. Thanks mate, I really appreciate it, and how it highlights my focuses (dry humour included lol).

  • @NoelBalfour
    @NoelBalfour 4 месяца назад +39

    Part 2 needed.

    • @emilianohermosilla3996
      @emilianohermosilla3996 4 месяца назад +1

      Indeed!

    • @HistorysInfluence
      @HistorysInfluence  4 месяца назад +8

      I know what you mean, but I probably won't, the video would feel too iterative of prior content I've done, and I want to try more of a variety of topics.

    • @NoelBalfour
      @NoelBalfour 3 месяца назад

      ​@@HistorysInfluence please bro

  • @bossy1496
    @bossy1496 3 месяца назад +16

    I think that due to the massive disconnect too, if not conquered, North Africa, would form its own sect of Islam, although most likely, North Africa would be reconquered in a separate crusade and rechristianized,

  • @emilianohermosilla3996
    @emilianohermosilla3996 4 месяца назад +42

    “The punishment from Allah” argument reminded me of how Muslims reacted to the utter domination of their countries by western powers, reactions such as the ones of the Wahhabists, clinging even harder to scripture and tradition. Great video, man 😉

    • @johnythepvpgod1470
      @johnythepvpgod1470 4 месяца назад +3

      Thats exactly how orthodox Christians talk about the ottoman occupation or anytime something bad happened, im an ex btw

    • @emilianohermosilla3996
      @emilianohermosilla3996 4 месяца назад +13

      @@johnythepvpgod1470 you know, you just made me realize that in order for the faith to have survived under such rule there was a certain kind of skin that you needed to have, to sustain all of this and more while still remaining to your faith. The similarity is there and it makes me think of the what-if’s hehe.

    • @ibrahimmustafa2481
      @ibrahimmustafa2481 3 месяца назад +1

      I'm pretty sure the Jews felt the same thing when Rome invaded Judea. Christians, too, when Muslims conquered them.

    • @ramaahli7144
      @ramaahli7144 3 месяца назад

      Nah Christian Conquest were more bloodiest than any other religion ​@@ibrahimmustafa2481

    • @redcrown5154
      @redcrown5154 3 месяца назад

      @@johnythepvpgod1470 why did you leave the faith?

  • @ivanos_95
    @ivanos_95 3 месяца назад +17

    Actually, the Crusades were successful, considering that it was never the objective to conquer the Middle-East, except the coasts, in order to stop the Islamic raids on the European coasts, and the expansion of Arab-Caliphate into Europe, that's why the Renaissance in Europe began directly after the Crusades, and the peak of Reconquista.

    • @LoganLS0
      @LoganLS0 2 месяца назад +2

      A Crusade was successful. The sequels not so much.

    • @Pepe-pq3om
      @Pepe-pq3om Месяц назад

      4th crusade 😐

    • @jeremiahsmith9109
      @jeremiahsmith9109 24 дня назад

      Got your imaginary timeline all wrong buddy.
      The renaissance was actually propelled by Islamic Scholarship which was still at its zenith at this time and many of the works that were recreated or revived in the west were just imported from Islamic Countries that had already compiled, Preserved, and even expanded upon these works by this time.
      And the crusades only ended because they kept losing and no one could be bothered to commit to them anymore. most of the last crusades were waged against the ottoman sultanate, which all ended in failure, not Arabic and African coastlines. Also Ottoman Raids in Italy, Spain, and France, would continue for hundreds of years until the ottoman navy and pirates on ottoman payroll were defeated.

    • @brennanleadbetter9708
      @brennanleadbetter9708 4 дня назад

      Well, Europe wasn’t taken over by Islam. I see that as a win.

  • @DeanMonsieur
    @DeanMonsieur 4 месяца назад +16

    Do you think this would result in more or less diversity of belief within the Eastern Christian groups?

    • @HistorysInfluence
      @HistorysInfluence  4 месяца назад +7

      That's a really good question. I'd assume with the relative autonomy it's going to remain more diverse in our timeline, since more sects will be allowed to exist. A Lebanon-style situation but throughout Egypt/Syria/the Levant. There wouldn't be a push for unification between non-Catholics.

    • @el_W2
      @el_W2 3 месяца назад +1

      the Coptic church might join the Catholic church just like the Maronites did in 1182, so maybe more eastern catholic churches in the Levant and less orthodox groups (contacts with Ethiopia could also be a way to heal the schism)

  • @historylover8139
    @historylover8139 4 месяца назад +8

    Great video! For your next one I could suggest, what if emperor Majorian wasnt killed?

    • @HistorysInfluence
      @HistorysInfluence  4 месяца назад +1

      Great idea tbh, adding that to my shortlist of ideas

  • @micahistory
    @micahistory 4 месяца назад +4

    amazing idea. your channel always has great ideas!

  • @ammohamed5320
    @ammohamed5320 3 месяца назад

    The Crusades were a pivotal moment in history, and this History Documentary does a great job of exploring the complexities behind their successes and failures. It's fascinating to see how these campaigns shaped both the medieval world and the relationships between different cultures and religions!

  • @BlueBird-wb6kb
    @BlueBird-wb6kb 3 месяца назад +7

    What if there was a Crusade during the Gunpowder/ Empire era , may have saved Europe from internal conflicts for a bit.

    • @LoganLS0
      @LoganLS0 2 месяца назад

      You mean when the Winged Hussars Arrived?

  • @joeysoxjr.6268
    @joeysoxjr.6268 3 месяца назад

    Facinating video! Great job👏

  • @masscreationbroadcasts
    @masscreationbroadcasts 3 месяца назад +6

    The world would have a better Renaissance.

  • @hoi-polloi1863
    @hoi-polloi1863 6 дней назад

    Even in a Crusader victory scenario, people will have complaints:
    European Pilgrims: Everything's so expensive! And everyone has a funny accent!
    Local Police: We keep having to keep the military orders away from tourist beaches. Apparently they view bathing suits as "Satan's work"
    Ayyubids: These jerks won't stop building castles! Can't even have a proper war anymore. Better to just stay home and gripe to the harem.
    Byzantines: *Technically* those are our lands. If we ever get done fighting Bulgars (and, er... ourselves) we'll show them what for!
    Mongols: Jeez, you weren't kidding about the castles. Let's just invade Japan again.
    Teutonic Knights: Those dang Hospitallers get to crusade in the lovely Mediterranean climate. We're stuck in these lands of bone-chilling agony.
    Prusse Tribes: I know, right? Maybe you could migrate back there...?

  • @twrampage
    @twrampage 4 месяца назад +2

    Potentially see Christianity being much more widespread throughout Northern Africa, not just Egypt.

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 4 месяца назад

    Love your content! Thanks For this ❤❤❤❤

  • @radored7750
    @radored7750 3 месяца назад

    Great video

  • @TheHatersarebad
    @TheHatersarebad 4 месяца назад +3

    What if the Cold War had a North/South China instead of a split Korea?
    Probably have Tibet and the Xinjiang (I spell it right?) independent in such a scenario.

    • @shinsenshogun900
      @shinsenshogun900 4 месяца назад +1

      you spelled Xinjiang (East Turkestan/Dong Tujieguo) wrong!
      A split China would still mean a split Korea too!

    • @dr_frog01
      @dr_frog01 3 месяца назад

      @@shinsenshogun900 38th parallel china would hurt my eyes.

    • @shinsenshogun900
      @shinsenshogun900 3 месяца назад +1

      @@dr_frog01 China can't do parallels, brother! They chose natural geographies for boundaries!
      The Qinling and Dabie mountains, and the Huai River! Shouchun shall be the Chinese Pannumjon or the Checkpoint Charlie of this stretchy Bamboo Curtain!

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 4 месяца назад +3

    Suggestion: What if Napoleón III won the franco-prussian war?

  • @brandonmireles3249
    @brandonmireles3249 26 дней назад

    The Crusades was honestly a 50/50 unsuccessful and success. There were major victories, like the Reconquista. I will also say they were successful in halting the caliphates advance into more Christian lands, it held them off for centuries so I think that’s a victory in some level. I wish they were more successful.

  • @Ower8x
    @Ower8x 3 месяца назад +2

    Regarding the Byzantine rebound ... while I agree there will be some to what degree really depends on the Dynasties Ruling at the time ...
    And we have precedence from the Third Crusade in fact ... Frederic Barbarosa sacked Iconium the capital of the Sultanate of Rum and Byzantium under Isaac II Angelos was unable to take advantage of that ...
    Without the 4th crusade the Angelos are in power longer ... so in what state the Empire is at the time of the is debatable ... with the Angelos in charge ...

  • @Sun-live1978
    @Sun-live1978 4 месяца назад +4

    Crusades at the Levant and egypt and even anatolia could have been successful just if crusaders weren't so hubris and poorly organized 👌

  • @joemungus6063
    @joemungus6063 3 месяца назад +4

    the hell was that intro to richard the lionheart lmfao

    • @gunnasintern
      @gunnasintern 2 месяца назад +1

      bro was glazing him to no end😭😭

  • @MorrisJohn-vo2vn
    @MorrisJohn-vo2vn 3 месяца назад +3

    What of we got a Medieval or Late Antique Assyrian Empire.

  • @cringebrudi
    @cringebrudi 3 месяца назад +2

    If the first King of Jerusalem didn’t die and took over Egypt.

  • @DM5550Z
    @DM5550Z 4 месяца назад

    Very good video

  • @TheHatersarebad
    @TheHatersarebad 4 месяца назад +2

    What if Edward Longshanks (or Edward II) succeeded in conquering Scotland?

    • @LoganLS0
      @LoganLS0 2 месяца назад +1

      He did, 4 times. But Scotland didn't hear no bell.

  • @newbornviking9721
    @newbornviking9721 4 месяца назад +4

    What if The Sea People Had Discover the Americas ?

    • @HistorysInfluence
      @HistorysInfluence  4 месяца назад +4

      Anything sea peoples would be awesome

    • @LoganLS0
      @LoganLS0 4 месяца назад +2

      @@newbornviking9721 we wouldn't have any records of it.

  • @MeanBeanComedy
    @MeanBeanComedy 3 месяца назад +1

    A better world... 🥲
    I still have hope that West Asia and Central Asia will be rechristianised in the coming century.

  • @Ionnes777
    @Ionnes777 4 месяца назад +3

    the Outremer

  • @Mr.Lurker-u4l
    @Mr.Lurker-u4l 3 месяца назад

    Amazing video, here's a weird idea: I know the early US was very much anti-colonial but what if they colonized Morocco during the Barbary Wars?

  • @ferrothorn9022
    @ferrothorn9022 18 дней назад

    What if the mamluks never conquered Egypt?

  • @SwampMarine
    @SwampMarine 3 месяца назад +1

    Monsieur Z sent me! Great video

  • @MorrisJohn-vo2vn
    @MorrisJohn-vo2vn 3 месяца назад +1

    Now, What if the Baltic Crusases failed?.

  • @LoganLS0
    @LoganLS0 4 месяца назад

    I have a fun idea, as a sequel to the Ottomans being expelled from Europe, do What If Poland Conquered Russia? More Poland!

  • @CARL_093
    @CARL_093 4 месяца назад

    the show off 2 historical legends sultan salahadin and king Richard the lion heart of England

  • @Ali-bu6lo
    @Ali-bu6lo 4 месяца назад

    I know this is far into the future but It seems in such scenarios the crusader kingdom would continue till recent centuries, in that case, one thing that I am curios about is that with the rise of nationalism, decline of religion and the demand for an answer to the "Jewish question" due to the rise of antisemitism, would Europeans decide to send their Jewish populations to a Palestine which they control?

    • @HistorysInfluence
      @HistorysInfluence  4 месяца назад

      I presume they wouldn't wish to do it, why upset the ethnic mix that exists already with a new power block. However, like in our timeline, it's possible with 19th century nationalism the Jews choose to make the migration regardless, striking a deal like the Balfour Declaration but with the French, leading to a Lebanon-style secretarian conflict instead of the mainly Sunni Arab vs Jewish divide we see today.

  • @GarfieldRex
    @GarfieldRex 3 месяца назад +1

    I wonder, how big would the Kingdom of Jerusalem grow, and how envy would the European powers be, will they help future crusades the same as before? With the Reconquista a new language emerged, Mozarabic, mix of Castilian and Arabic, so would there be a new language from French and Arabic? But not crushed by French. Would the lesser Duchies of the Middle East be absorbed by Jerusalem or by the European powers? All I know is that the birthplace of Christianity will be Christian again one day ✝️🌞

  • @Thor-Orion
    @Thor-Orion 3 месяца назад +1

    The crusades DID succeed. Retook the entire Iberian peninsula for Christendom.

    • @Thor-Orion
      @Thor-Orion 3 месяца назад +1

      Oh, and what they found in Tyre and the other Phoenician cities enabled the founding of Henry the Navigator’s school and the start of the age of exploration.

    • @bigbands-z9b
      @bigbands-z9b 3 месяца назад

      That was its own thing the reconquest of Iberia was happening before the 800s centuries before the crusades, they are only regarded as a crusade due to reconquest of iberia coinciding with the crusades.

  • @DragonBornClan4
    @DragonBornClan4 3 месяца назад +1

    Hello. Mister Z sent me.

  • @emilianohermosilla3996
    @emilianohermosilla3996 4 месяца назад +2

    🔥🔥

  • @dantejones1480
    @dantejones1480 4 месяца назад +2

    Viva la Outremer!

  • @maddogbasil
    @maddogbasil 4 месяца назад +2

    Im pretty sure the muslims' reactions and emotions after the battle of hattin and the success of retaking Jerusalem after 88 years of occupation might be similar to what the Christians felt after the siege of vienna in 1683

    • @thefaramith8876
      @thefaramith8876 3 месяца назад

      Lmao you are American right? Do you realize that there are no "muslim" or "christian" identites exist in a manner that everyone would react to something? Seljuks didnt care about Jerusalem that much just like English didnt care about 1683. After Vienna has been saved, Austrians divided Poland with Russia meanwhile OTTOMANS protested this and thats why Turkish - Polish relations improved a lot.

  • @the3zoooz1
    @the3zoooz1 24 дня назад

    not possblie in any time line

  • @mohamedrafik2237
    @mohamedrafik2237 3 месяца назад +2

    What if europe was muslim next video ?

    • @NetarAlt
      @NetarAlt 3 месяца назад

      Then, Colonization won't happen

    • @handlessuck777
      @handlessuck777 2 месяца назад

      ​@@NetarAlt😂🥴

    • @handlessuck777
      @handlessuck777 2 месяца назад +1

      It'd turn into the Middle East/North Africa(aka shithole).

    • @ferrothorn9022
      @ferrothorn9022 18 дней назад

      @@NetarAltI still think it would happen tbh.

    • @NetarAlt
      @NetarAlt 18 дней назад +1

      @ferrothorn9022 Morroco is a muslim-majority country and it's close to the Atlantic. They didn't colonise, probably late to the game or they are contend with the sahel trade

  • @MausOfTheHouse
    @MausOfTheHouse 4 месяца назад +1

    VGH as the kids say

    • @HistorysInfluence
      @HistorysInfluence  4 месяца назад +1

      I hope this isn't some controversial slur i'm heart-reacting, lol

    • @MausOfTheHouse
      @MausOfTheHouse 4 месяца назад

      @@HistorysInfluence it's just ugh with a latinesque u

  • @joseyamama
    @joseyamama 4 месяца назад

    🎉

  • @thor.halsli
    @thor.halsli 3 месяца назад

    God will's it

  • @davidrozemberg9295
    @davidrozemberg9295 4 месяца назад +1

    more byz slop!

    • @HistorysInfluence
      @HistorysInfluence  4 месяца назад +1

      lmao, was honestly thinking that myself. i enjoy making these sorta videos but I do want to push for non-Anatolian content in the future. although i'll be doing an anatolian collaboration soon

  • @schneejacques3502
    @schneejacques3502 4 месяца назад

    Byzantine woulld probally fall to the timurids

  • @RoachDoggJr-v9b
    @RoachDoggJr-v9b 3 месяца назад

    🇦🇺

  • @TurkishDebater
    @TurkishDebater 4 месяца назад +6

    My favourite crusades are 1204, 1396, and 1444. Thanks for weakening the Eastern Romans for us 🦾🇹🇷

    • @DoktorKleiner
      @DoktorKleiner 3 месяца назад +2

      how much is the shwarma boss

    • @TurkishDebater
      @TurkishDebater 3 месяца назад +2

      @DoktorKleiner give me your soul, and it may be as valuable as 1 shwarma

    • @handlessuck777
      @handlessuck777 2 месяца назад +1

      My favorite were the Balkan Wars.💪

    • @DoktorKleiner
      @DoktorKleiner 2 месяца назад +1

      @@TurkishDebater dont forget the soda

    • @TurkishDebater
      @TurkishDebater 2 месяца назад +2

      @@DoktorKleiner dont worry, i will give it to you after you give me your life

  • @AbdullahAburob24
    @AbdullahAburob24 3 месяца назад

    Keep dreaming lol. They got whooped and still hundreds of years later still acting cool while whining at the same time.

  • @sadbuttrue-r9u
    @sadbuttrue-r9u 4 месяца назад +11

    Can you make video on why Crusades started? Instead of this low effort topic that are covered millions of time, not to be rude, but people are ignorant of the fact in which islam started, man who was diddy long before diddy was born, the islamic muhammed who graped 9 years old child, commited numerous genocides, ordered endless war till forced submissions of enitre peoples and nations of the world, and on top of that he is the greatest moral exmaple for all muslims FOR ALL TIMES to follow....this all can be found easily via youtube(Nabi Asli, Robert Spencer, Apostate Prophet, Jay White, AlFadi, Orthodox Shahada) or direct sources like quran and Sahih Muslim and Sahih al-Bukhari.... muslims would mass rape, kill enslave everyone who opposed them and was not muslim, but if you are leaning left these don't exist, next topic "Persecution and destruction of Iranian Zoroastrians" or "What happened to Yemeni Christians"

    • @EzzadinFarah
      @EzzadinFarah 3 месяца назад +1

      Asli, Robert Spencer, Apostate Prophet, Jay White, AlFadi, Orthodox Shahada) all of them have been debunked also the genocides you mean when the jews tried to kill muhammad saw and then muhammad captruerd them and judged them on jewish law also didn;t rebeeca mary isaac at 3 to 14

    • @izharulhaqtruthrevealed1185
      @izharulhaqtruthrevealed1185 3 месяца назад +1

      If muslim are anything that you said then all Central Europe, Armenia would've been Muslim majority, why do we have Coptic Christians in Egypt and Muslim lands and why do African and Levant Christians saw Muslim as liberators and Romans and why did they crusades even massacred your fellow Christians in Jerusalem

    • @sadbuttrue-r9u
      @sadbuttrue-r9u 3 месяца назад

      @@izharulhaqtruthrevealed1185 they were at one point, for example in the balkans regions some places had majority muslims till they migrated into turkey after wars with european powers, what about Levant, Syria, modern Turkey, Great Armenia, Egypt, Nubia, South Arabia, Central and partf of Northen Great Iran, North Africa, medival Spain and Sicily, Eastern Causasus...all of these were ones majority Christian and nowdays most of them are 99%..fuck your religion of peace...muslims were never seen as liberatord and in case of Egypt is was pretty clear that muslims won't be better and more tolerant than Dyophisite Eastern Romans, Christians in Levant and North African were Orthodox same as Eastern Rome do your comment is low iq and ignorant(just like your pedohammed) same goes with majority of Syria...most of these states actually fought toghter with Eastern Rome against peace spreading(sarcasm) caliphates....you can spill your libmuslim bs to people who don't know but you can't to us who know, lets not talk about other regions that were of other religion becuase if we do your argument will fall from "ret***ed to straight up kill yourself"
      To also lower your statements to more low iq is the fact that local African Christians aided Crusades when they temporarily conquered tunisia and in other attmept also, its weird that you state that when Exarchanate of Africa stood up to muslims 66(if date of 632 was to be taken as starting date) years after peacespreaders started their bloodshed from arabia....

    • @BESTINTHEWORLD0007
      @BESTINTHEWORLD0007 3 месяца назад

      ​​@@sadbuttrue-r9uThe balkan was till the Europeans commited hencide against them, 5 millions died
      These countries were christian and cinverted to Islam through centuries and this what any acedamic scholar would say not the thugs you mention
      The Muslims allowed the patriarch if alexandria to return after 13 years of exile which is mentioned in ciptic sources as well and Egypt was under occoupation of the Roman empire which was christian at the time(alhamdulilah that we got rid of that oppresive empire and it's false god)
      As for the local christians they are greedy they stand to whatever power that is christian against their countrymen, their dark history of beteryal and hate is known, because their spirits is dominated by false gods and evil hearts.
      The exarchante of Africa was already in rebellion against the Roman empire and gregory was just trying to keep his rule but he was defeated and slayed by Abdullah ibn al-Zubair

    • @Griffffffithhhhhhh
      @Griffffffithhhhhhh 3 месяца назад +2

      You do know that is also a super covered topic my guy. 😂 also it’s a fun video don’t get your panties all wet because of a bad date night.

  • @aaronanonymous5385
    @aaronanonymous5385 4 месяца назад

    There is no what if.