Using Universal Audio Apollo Twin's 6 Outputs with SSL SiX as Summing Mixer! Headphone Jack Outputs!
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- Опубликовано: 18 апр 2019
- In this video G-Wiz breaks down how to route larger sessions into groups for mixing using Universal Audio's Apollo Twin MKII with Solid State Logic's SSL SiX as a summing mixer.
Also we discover how to use the Apollo Twin's headphone jack to give you 2 additional outputs for your audio interface instead of the traditional 1-4 channels! Turn your Apollo Twin into a 6 channel output interface and route that sweet signal!
*Music in session features a record produced by @MNTYBRWN, written by Ashley Nicholson and Bree Howard courtesy of RAAW Honey and Glenn G-Wiz Browder, Lava Lamp Zone Recordings.
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Signal flow is king. Thanks
Noted mane!
Found this while looking for demos of the SiX... really smart routing and bussing happening in your mix!
And I gotta say, as an owner of an SSL2+ ,I love what SSL are doing for the home studio market... the 2+ and SiX are affordable but don’t cheapen SSLs reputation as the “Rolls Royce” or pro audio.
Really enjoying your ssl six adventure :)
Thanks for checking me out brother.
Very helpful bro! Thanks
Anytime brother! Keep on jammin!!!
man i think Imma cop one of these
It's a great mixer. I like it a lot. I've always appreciated and been a fan of that analog sheen in all my favorite hip-hop music of the 80s and 90s man. Rap ain't supposed to sound pretty. It's supposed to sound gritty! ✊🏿
Also, make sure you Gain Stage / Calibrate your system. You have an SSL now!
Know that those 3 sets of outs are all different.
Line 3 & 4 are better than Monitor L&R which is better than HP L&R.
121 dB (A-weighting), 115 dB (A-weighting), 113 dB (A-weighting) respectively
Also, Also, the output Levels of the three sets of outs should be maximized for the most Dynamic Range and least noise.
When you set the output level low, then Gain up on the SSL, you are adding gain to both the signal AND the noise from the previous device.
I glanced at the manual for the twin and couldn't easily determine, but I suspect that if you run the L&R out all the way up, that's what UA calls Line or its best DR. Same for the HP outs, however they could have more gain in order to drive cans. And the 3&4 outs can be set to Line outs with no knob variable which is best.
Part of playing with SSL for analog audio is world class signal to noise / headroom.
You got it, now push it to the extreme!
G.
My man! 🙏🏿👑🙏🏿
Phenomenal info bro!
Whats up G? I have this same set up. On my vocal chain Im using an external preamp and compressor.In which I won't be using the 48v power on the ssl xlr, because my mic is powered. Im trying to figure out my best routing option for recording. Do you think I should mix the beat, boause to stereo track first and record vocals on a stereo instrumental? Or would you record vocals on the mono channel on SSL and group the channels from the beat and route those through the remaining channels available on the ssl? I'm trying to figure the best way with this many channels. I know my vocals are usually mono, my sub bass and mostly all my drums are usually mono. My melodies and chords are stereo and I wanted the whole track going through the G compressor back into the daw. Knowing what you know, how would you configure this?
CzarPharo Yo Yo,
Well first off congratulations, that setup is amazingly solid, SSL SiX, UA Apollo, and you said you have external Mic Preamps and Compressors. (Which ones?)
Now, I can’t give a “Best” answer, nobody can. Music is subjective, there’s multiple ways to setup those pieces, and each way will produce different results. 10 Engineers will do 10 different things.
That is my whole point!
To get quality pieces, then exhaust all possible combinations. In the process, you will both discover new sounds /music that inspire you, and master your tools, finding where they work, then sing, then fall apart.
Once upon a time, Recording was done in a recording studio and recording Session, Mixing was done in a Mixing Studio and Session, and Mastering was done in a Mastering Suite and Session.
Now, MOST music is probably recorded, mixed, and mastered in a bedroom on a laptop and interface.
That’s both democratized and de-professionalized the art and science of Recording.
Pros and Cons.
There also used to be many more “best practices” in the Analog only days, when your multitrack was on tape, and there was noise everywhere. Now, we’re digital, at least the tracking, and noise isn’t nearly as relevant a problem.
But because of that, engineers also don’t spend time Pushing each piece of gear, as far as the can above the noise, up into saturation, and pulling back from distortion (the bad kind).
Engineers have to learn their instruments just like musicians, and there’s too much Capitalist consumer thinking where: “If I just buy the (name brand) ABC and plug it into the (brand name) XYZ, boom! Hit Record.”
Off that soapbox:
Technically, any 2X2 interfaces with built in Mic Preamps will get stereo sources in and out of your computer.
For beginners, a hundred bucks gets you a Studio to learn 90% of what you need to know.
I recommend at least a 2X4 interface, because music is a collaborative game.
It’s often best to have at least 1 person ‘Engineering’ and another ‘Performing’.
With 2 inputs, you can record most sources other than Acoustic Drums, and with 4 outputs, you can provide a dedicated stereo “headphone mix” to each person, allowing each to hear what they need in order to Engineer and to Perform respectively and independently.
Stepping up to a UA Apollo, the price jumps dramatically, but so does the quality of each component in the device.
The built-in Mic Preamps, DI, Line Inputs, and A/D Converters are amazingly clean.
The 4 Line Outputs and Headphone Amp are also Pro Grade.
The included Console (and now Luna) software, give you a virtual version of almost everything you would need in a Recording Studio, with incredible , and usually untapped, flexibility and power over your tracking workflow.
The “Killer App” though, the thing that puts UA in a league of its own, is the combination of Onboard DSP that runs its their own dedicated Plugins which are among the best modeled in existence, especially their Unison Preamp and Channel Strips, into a system that allows for “Real-time “ processing through the Plugin Signal Chain, as if it were Analog Hardware.
If you only bought 1 Unison plugin, the Neve 1073 emulation (though now they have a 1084 I believe) gives you two channels of the most popular Mic Pre/Channel Strip of all time.
So to your question: I say this, unless your External Mic Preamps are REAL Neve Channel Strips, many times, no matter what external gear you have, plugging a microphone directly into the Apollo will be, not only the easiest choice, but the best choice to record a particular source for a particular song.
Along those lines, if the source calls for the cleanest possible signal, directly patching into the Apollo Mic Pre, and NOT using any Unison Plugins will result in pristine tracks, again when that’s called for.
Now adding in your external gear, plugging your Microphone into external Mic Pres, then from there into the Apollo’s Line inputs, with a lesser interface, that would usually result in objectively “Better” signals being recorded around the interfaces inadequate built-in preamp. But patching External Pres into the Apollo will be subjectively “Different”, and you have to decide if it’s the Better option or not.
Again this game is about options.
And your Apollo gives you many, including not just “usable”, but some of the Best options available anywhere.
So that said, your SSL SiX, being a Mixer, also includes 2 stripped down, but still very much SSL Channel Strips.
FOR $1500!
There’s a thousand ways to patch those 2 devices, but one obvious way is to use the Direct Outs on the SiX into the Line Inputs of the Apollo, just like your other External Preamps.
This gives you another flavor in tracking: Mics into the SiX, engage or disengage the Channel EQs and Compressors, Ride the level on the way in.
Or you could use the SiXs Main Outs, and track through the Buss Comp as well.
Or even use the Talkback Input and engage the LMC if you want something crunched out.
The point again being, you have TONS of high-quality options and variety.
I think this YT video I was mainly talking about using these components for Mixing rather than Tracking.
But I will say that Both of these pieces are incredibly clean, provide a ton of options on their own, and make a fantastic centerpiece for a legit home studio that can play with the big boys.
And, money is obviously relative, but for under five grand, you can get results that too a hundred Gs not so long ago.
Hope that helps, didn’t really answer the question as much as give you more to think about.
But on some level, I’m rejecting the question itself, and trying to convince you that, some questions you don’t ever want anyone to answer for you.
@@G_handle Appreciate it. I'm using neve 1073 and distressor, rack unit. Just got that going, loving it. Now m trying to add this SSL six to the equation to get analogue on the rest of my music. I understand their is no best way, but I've been reading through some of your comments, and realized you were pretty knowledgeable about this mixer. I was definitely interested in what you thought about it; while I'm trying to figure out how I would go by setting this up.
Absolute genius bro
Yo man, thanks so much for this...the routing makes so much more sense now! Can you post up some mixes before and after sending them through the six? Would love to hear what its adding! Thanks again man this was super helpful! Dope track too!!
I sure will brother! Thanks for taking the time to check me out. 🙏🏿
Nice! been eyeing the SSL SiX for a hot minute, this is a great vid, that really has me leaning towards pulling the trigger on one. Man.. not to mention, now I really wanna upgrade to the Apollo X4, two headphone jacks.. utilize this headphone jack trick.. and bam! twice the power. good stuff bro. thanks for sharing.
Great video G-Wiz! Your walk through highlighted how I can use both the Apollo Twin and SiX for mixing duet with backing tracks live, easily and potentially beautifully!...your work sounds awesome mate, thanks for taking the time to walk us thru it all.
Dope!
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Nice man! I own a SiX as well. I don't use a DAW but instead use an MPC Live 2. For mastering/mixing downI just run my stereo main outs from my MPC into the SiX for some of that g-buss compressor goodness but have been thinking about summing. My MPC has 6 outs on it and supports submixes so I'm going to give this a shot. I'm looking forward to the resulrs.
Looks like a crazy tool to have if you have a patchbay.
Fire bro 🔥
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I need that instrumental. The hip hop piano with nice strings towards the end but not quite lol. But fr. I need that lol
can you pleasetale how you conect the six and apolo and all conection wit cables ! Thanks a lot man ! Big help
Working on that just for u brother. 💯
Dope!
But.....I'm pretty sure that your headphone to CH5 is only duplicating 5 onto 6. In other words, when you use the left of a stereo pair, not only on this SSL but often in the audio world, the left input will take a mono and put it on left and right. Then if you insert into the Right, it will break the normal, like a patchbay, and show up on the right. Left only gets both (dual mono), Right only gets only right side of mix.
To test your hookup, in Pro Tools, send something to the Twin HP and hard pan it left and right, the two meters on the Six would change if it was actually stereo, but if I'm right, they both move together. (Depending on how the Six deals with the TRS tip and ring, it may only show one side or the other, or sum them both, but it won't be the same stereo as in your DAW in the mix.)
What you need is a TRS to Dual TS cable known as an "Insert Cable", NOT A SPLITTER or Y CABLE.
They're made for TRS send and returns, but will also split out the TRS HP jack which is Unbalanced L,R,G into separate Left and Right TS.
You'll want to verify which is Left and Right regardless of the cable colors though, different MFRs change it up.
G.
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My man! You are absolutely correct! Thanks for the links. Just added a set to my cart brother!
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Where'd you go Bruh!!!!
I'm sure you get mad experience with the Six and UA at this point.
Time to add a Console 1 for Black Friday and change your life!
Not a bad idea! I'm still at it brother. Had to get focus on getting healthy and all that for a while. BRB with some new heat soon!
@@LavaLampZone Heard!
Yeah health comes first, the toys will be right there waiting for you.
But when you're ready, peep the Softube Console 1 system.
I can break it all down for you later, but it's WAY MORE bang for the buck than it looks.
It's really 3 or 4 things at once.
We all came from real analog consoles. An SSL 4K or 9K being the dream to mix, but a Neve to track, say a BCM10 sidecar. SSL clean, NEVE fat.
Then everything moved in the box.
Interface PREs, ProTools and plugins, endless mouse clicking. Wack!
You got the Apollo, dopest thing being the Unison PREs that you can track through, so NEVE 1073 are back.
Then you got the SSL SiX, 2 SSL channel strips, 12 channels Analog Summing (more on that later), mixing into a G-Series Bus Compressor (plus you can track through it, or print bus stems through it etc) DOPE!
Now Console 1, is half software, half hardware controller. It puts an SSL 4K (to start) channel strip on EVERY track in your DAW, and let's you touch it like you would a real console. Except you don't have to slide your chair up an down the desk, the tracks come to you.
Shits insane, plus my guys at SSL said the plugins are better than their own!
But then....Softube and Universal got together, and the controller can run UA plugins too!
THEN....they came back with Apollo Central, which let's you press a button, and switch back and forth between controlling Softube Console 1 software, and Universal Audio Console!
With your hands, like real shit.
They mapped UA Console, and ALL the UA Plugins to the controller knobs to where it feels like UA built it.
And say on channel 2 you drop a brand new Avalon 737 plugin in the Unison slot, then an LA2A, into an 1176, followed by a Pulltec EQ, and you still have a slot so fuckit a 660, you gonna to adjust all those knobs with a mouse, nah, you press the 2 at the top of the Console 1, boom all the Avalon knobs are at your fingertips, wanna adjust the LA2A while you're artist is singing, press the 2 again to control that, 2 again for the next, 2 again for the next, all 5 plugins.
Say you don't have screen space, shift press a button to show or hide each plugin!
There's never been anything this fast in the history of recording.
Even if you had a "Million Dollar Studio" in the 80s, with a Board and crazy racks of Outboard, you still had to slide your chair to patch, then again to twist the knobs, all outside of the sweetspot.
Oh, and that fifty-thousand-plus-dollar Neve BCM10, get an Apollo 8P together with your Twin, and load all 10 Unison slots with 1073s.
Now, your DAW is a legit SSL 4K (or SSL 9K, or Neve, or API for less than 1 month's electric bill to run any of them), and with 1 shift-click, UA Console is your Neve sidecar (or anything else! ).
So now also, if you did add that 8P, those 8 OUTPUTS, together with the 4 on your twin, would let you use all 12 Summing inputs to your SSL SiX.
At that point nobody could fuck with you!
G.
G I have the console 1 and the ssl six and I love both, workflow wise how would you suggest using both in a session? I know I mixed my mono vocal track with the ssl six and then printed all the track through the six with the g bus compressor on the final mix track.
excellent, very helpful, i m using apollo 8 with ssl six, plz upload full routing about ssl six with connection. I m confuse about too much knob on ssl six. please help me for this
I did that in my last video, check it out on my channel. It's all about the routing. Thanks brother! Keep on jammin!
I like the idea. I thought of doing this exact thing.
But I'll be doing it with a mixer that is: -digital, so I don't have to reset it (total recall of mixes/projects)
-Has mastering grade effects processing built in.
-has daw control.
So I'm looking at Tascam, Midas, Roland for budget solution.
Audient or SSL down there road.
I bet your mixes have a lot of depth and a nice spread to them. Where can I hear some of your mixes USING THIS cool routing METHOD?
SSL need to cut you a check for these videos.
Appreciate that brother. I'm not expecting anything but to share the game and learn a thing or two from u guys about ways to improve these signals. Cant thank u enough for checkin me out bruh! 💯
Do you have a link to your finished work? I got SSL six a couple weeks ago and my mixes got to a different levels.shiid .so now I'm trying to merge my focusrite Scarlett 18i20 with Apollo x duo.i still want to use the 18i20 through a patchbay so I can plug and play live keyboard and drum machine and external efx
What type of Twin you have?
Apollo twin
Thank you. Is there a chance to do a demo of the G comp on a drum buss please?
I sure will!
Thank you sir, much appreciated.@@LavaLampZone
@@motionPush just put it up. Go check it out on my channel. 🙏🏿
How can I contact you outside of RUclips I need some guidance on a set up
Ig @lavalampzone
So....2 years later....I'm looking at SSL Six and your videos and wondering if you're still using it?
If you are, do you really feel it makes a large enough difference in your mixes to buy it? I'm on the fence with this beast lol. Let me know! Would appreciate it.
I still have it. I still use it every day. I run everything audio through it. My Apollo for mixing/ summing, my phone , my turntable, everything. It just gives everything more bounce man. On the mixing records side, I really dig the depth, and analog touch to finish off my mixes. Low end comes out heavy-duty and highs sparkle. Works for what I use it for. To each it's own but I'll probably never get rid of it. Worse case if some new joint comes along in the future that I upgrade to, I'll always have some SSL circuitry for my listening pleasure and it can even fit in my backpack. 🤯🥂
@@LavaLampZone Thank you! I love analog gear, and I'm a huge SSL fan also (just bought UC1 and own Fusion). Looking for some ways to get deeper and wider mixes running out to analog (considered some other analog summing boxes), and this seems like a good fit given its versatility.
HI , thanks for the video , how do connect a reverb unit to the ssl , I see at the back there's stereo cue 1=2 outputs , but where's the in puts , as iam just going to get a reverb unit , hope your good
hey man...TRS cable doesn't make a signal any more stereo than a TS cable!
Sure. 👌🏾
Nice video thx . Is the preamp section is good as the out board ssl preamp? Looks like the mixer doesn't have interface built in.
Please if you could let me know thx .
It sounded as good as my $1000 710 twinfinity preamp from Universal Audio so........
@@joeydineroakafai-zell5485 thx for the info .
I've always liked UA
@@garyshirinian Yup. Their pretty top of the line to say the least.
@@joeydineroakafai-zell5485 I'm saving up to buy one or Neve
How did you connect the outs of the Apollo to the Six coming from pro tools? Cheers
And then you send everything together back over the Master out of the six into the DAW and record it?!
That is correct! Basically printing you mixed to tape str8 from the SSL! Jam on brother! Thanks for checkin me out.
Lava Lamp Zone Recordings 😎👍🏻 and Howe do you hear the dry Signal from your DAW when your Monitor speakers are connected to the SSL?
@@dany0o great question! I route my effects to the SSL as well so I can mute them if needed. Also there's 2 busses on the SSL bus A & Bus B!
Lava Lamp Zone Recordings thanks man! Great Tutorial😉keep it up👍
What yearl Mac laptop is that?
2017!
Hey man thanks for this video! I have a Six myself and I'm running into issues when I record the Stereo Main Mix Bus signal into my DAW - the final mix recordings have these strange sounds/phasing issues. I have my Apollo 8 sending DAW signal through channel 3 and 4 output to Ext 1 and 2 on the Six - then I have the Main Bus outs going from the Six back into my Apollo input channels 7 and 8. I also have Bus B outputs going to channel 5 and 6 on my Apollo.
So pretty much when I am summing whatever is going on in my DAW through the SSL and I want to record it back into my DAW (using the G BUS compressor) I get these weird ass noises on the final recording. I showed a friend, he said this happens often when using outboard gear to record final mixes. Do you have any suggestions or ideas on how to address this? Would really appreciate it!
Thanks again for your videos man keep up the good work!
Hmmm, have you checked your UA console? Try muting the monitor signal on channels 5-6, 7-8. Sound like you may be recording 2 signals at once.
I had some noise floor issues in the beginning, but G-Wiz gave some good advice in getting a grounding adapter for the plug. It’s like a couple dollars and it got rid of pretty much most of the noise for me. Also EXT 1 and 2 are stereo inputs. So output 5 and 6 should be on EXT 1 and outputs 3 and 4 or outputs 7 and 8 should be on EXT 2. Usually the lower number output should be on the left input, if not switch it. This should solve the phasing issues.
@@LavaLampZone yes you are right I was recording 2 signals at once. I had the tracks muted in Console but I had them on "Auto" while I was recording in my DAW and had to turn it to"Off". Now it works like a charm, sounds amazing
@@abaddon416 nice - I don't think I'm experiencing any phase issues now but there is an audible hiss at all times. Maybe the grounding adaptor can fix this? Is it for the power plug? Can you paste the link of the one you're using? Thank you!
Mark James III I bought it at Target. It’s just one of those adapters that turns a 3 prong into 2 prong. Make sure the label says grounded. Pretty sure they’ll have it at wal mart 2
www.target.com/p/ge-grounding-adapter-polarized-2-pk/-/A-14442316
Plz show the actual connection & how?. 😡
ruclips.net/video/hwf_BtPVwmo/видео.html 🥂
Maybe not relevant for the twin but apparently the six can have up to 12 inputs: ruclips.net/video/eC1CORyQhMI/видео.html