I wish different character would use Shredders armour instead of Raph as it wouldn't make sense in the story as the Raph, Leo and Donnie are dead so Raph being Shredder would retcon his death therefore messing up the story but i like your creativity
@Nick Wilson Shreder isnt a HotHead, hes driven by revenge and arrogance but hes also very patiently and planned. Leo would actually be a way better fit. I mean there's a Reason why in most Interpretations it is Leo who goes to on toe with Shreder.
In Serbian Dub for the 2003 series,Raph's voice actor was also Shredder's.So you can imagine how the voice transition was smooth in that one episode where he 'was' the Shredder
I don't know if I have the wrong settings or something, but there seems to be no TMNT on Netflix, so I'm scurrying RUclips trying to see all the first season of the 87 cartoon
It was dark but a fun take, also remember reading a fanfic that was really well done that covered and changed a few minor things and then continued it and got darker. ( In the end I think only Don was alive Don. I remember Mikey dieing in a fight, Raph and Leo getting into a fight over it Leo cutting Raph almost in half at the waist and commenting suppiku thinking he had killed Raph. Don was the last alive telling the sorry far in the future I kinda remember the twist was he was talking to Raph who he found out survived way later after everything but could be wrong)
Wish you mentioned the references to it with Raph being the Shredder in a nightmare in the 2003 series while Raph gets brainwashed and wields Shredder's gauntlets in the 2012 series.
Love these type of videos where you cover stuff that happened in the comics for those who haven't read or don't know what's happened in them. Keep up the great work. You're by far the best Ninja Turtles channel on the platform.
This is so cool! But still I honestly can’t see Raph becoming the Shredder in all the iterations after all their battles it would just be a gut punch to join them for whatever reason since you just can’t trust the foot clan and this was proven here in the Image comics.
A bit too predictable only in the sense that this is something a lot of people would come up with. Mikey is a clown, but he never displays any large degree of annoyance towards his brother's reactions to his own antics. We already have the 2003 series to show us that if things were to change it would make a lot more sense for Mikey to be the one who ends up changing the most due to dire circumstances.
¿ Por que sería como Destructor ?. Y hasta me acuerdo de un cómic donde el era Destructor, Miguel Ángel era el líder de un clan que el mismo creo y Donatello era un niño pequeño... en cuanto Leonardo el había muerto. Es un cómic que nunca lo volví a encontrar... ni siquiera me acuerdo del título.
Wow! Now that Raphael plays a more prominent role in "Rise", maybe we'd get to explore this more. Also, love the Sax version of the "Heroes in The Half-Shell" theme
I remember in tmnt 2003 raph had a bightmare he was fighting shredder where he is back but once he knock his helmet he was shock distance he will take on the mantle of the shredder and control the foot. This also kinda connect before cancel series of tmnt comics when lady shredder show up and try to force convince raph to join her or die. Before the book was cancel which lady shredder was karai.
It's been a while since I've bought physical comics, so I don't know how easy it is to find. But it's on ComiXology and boy oh boy is it a trip. Highly suggested read here.
what a dope story. MCU could take many notes from this. They love reverting to the status quo. Take an eye away from thor? Casually give him an indistinguishable one in the next movie. Kill loki? Bring him back (they have done it 3 times now) Make thor fat and depressed? Make him ripped and normal again in the next movie. -- Meanwhile, Raphiel gets permanent face damage.
Yo cowabunga dudes And thank you for the the new episode of the old turtle den I have some sad news for you the one you watch the power rangers in space about that it was cool! but the one of them was Jason David Frank the one who plays Dr Tommy Oliver on power rangers series had passed away at the age of 49 sorry for hearing that! Rest in power jdf! And may the power protect you.
I can see Shredder signaling out Raph, in case he knows he can’t keep fighting forever for some reason, so he chooses to make Raph be the one to carry on the legacy
IAM Raphael THE REASON WHY I LIKE RAPHAEL THE MOSTEST BECAUSE HE ALWAYS BE IN A NASTY MOOD AND THAT ME ALL THE WAY BECAUSE I ALWAYS HAVE A NASTY ATTITUDE DON'T CARE IF YOU LIKE OR NOT AND THAT THE REASON WHY I LOVE Raphael he's so badass damn😛😛😛😜
Star wars style Léo: Shredder is bad you cannot join him! Ralph:an other lie of splinter Leo:ITS OVER RAPH I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND! RAPH:you underestimate my power Leo:don’t try it! *RAPH FAILS* Leo: you were supposed to eleminate the foot clan not join it bring balance to New York not lead it in darkness RAPH:SHUT… YOUR SHELL!! Leo: we’re my brother Raphael I loved you 😢
Not a Mikey fan as Raph is my favorite but I'm thinking maybe Mikey could be deeper than most think. Even when things seem bad maybe he does his out of place joking on purpose while still thinking he's funny to try to help his brothers stay positive and see the fun in battle. From Splinter's viewpoint, each of them has their purpose and that could very well be his.
I believe the Urban Legends series finally reveals this secret, since in addition to reprinting the Image comics stories it gave writer Gary Carlson and illustrator Frank Fosco, a chance to complete the story then had intended to tell. You will have to read issues 24-26 to discover Lady Shredder's identity. Originally in 1999, the series ended after issue #23 since the sales numbers for the Image series were really poor. Raphael's depiction as the Shredder however, was referenced in an episode of the third season of the 2003 animated series, "The Darkness Within", where Raph was exposed to his fear of giving into anger and becoming the very thing he hated.
@@user-si9fx4xb6v Well, they gave him a chance to finish the story, but definitely not the one he had intended to tell. There is so much going on that I would have to start from issue #1, because starting from #24 would seriously cause me to miss out on a lot of necessary information, like for example why there’s a sentient armor capable of changing it’s (her) shape. I’m curious how things would have changed had they not changed who Lady Shredder is revealed to be, and I definitely understand now why it wasn’t answered in the video. Thank you for your input. Although not the way you had intended, it did engage me to uncover the answer myself.
@@What.99 I am still working through the Image/ Urban Legends series myself, so I would defiantly encourage any TMNT to start at issue 1 and go forward from there. What is this about the story ending differently from what the writer originally intended ?, please explain.
Hahaha that movie had a cheap looking shredder. When this comic the shredder armor is fully body armor and depth shadow in the hlemt with red eyes which tmnt 2003 shredder faithful to the comic look which lady.shredder was also there
So he never actually went bad. He from start to end was trying to make them a force for good. You was making like he wasn't on his brothers side but he was.
I kind a like the old original Raphael the one that's always wise and full of jokes! From tmnt original tv series. it was only in the movie that he was given this new mean and lone wolf personality.
@@frankspick7544 That's why I specifically referred to the TV series and not the comics. I've never delved into the TMNT comics as I find the televised version far more captivating. The animated adaptation brings the characters to life with vibrant colors, dynamic soundscapes, engaging music, and distinctive voices, enhancing their personalities in ways that static comics cannot replicate. The downside, unfortunately, is that certain elements are sometimes omitted or altered when transitioning from the original source material, a drawback shared by the comic adaptations. Yet, times have changed, and modern adaptations now have the opportunity to stay truer to the comic origins, much like how DBZ and its anime series closely adhere to the comic's essence. It's a delicate balance; attempting to cater to both media platforms can lead to creative complications. Thus, a decision must be made to lean towards either the TV or comic representation. While each interpretation holds its own merit, the intrinsic value of the original source material remains irreplaceable. Personally, my initial exposure to TMNT stemmed from the animated TV series, thus I find it helpful to view the various adaptations as distinct timelines, allowing me to appreciate the diverging narratives without diminishing their core origins.
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I would have loved to see a series where Raphael in is shredder full time and is forced to fight the other Turtles as the new Shredder.
Same here. A story like that could be like TMNT's version of Shadowland.
Raph would murder all the turtles
One of the more interesting concepts/ideas that Image brought to the table.
Imagine Raph being the Shredder In The Recent Ronin Series.
I wish different character would use Shredders armour instead of Raph as it wouldn't make sense in the story as the Raph, Leo and Donnie are dead so Raph being Shredder would retcon his death therefore messing up the story but i like your creativity
@Nick Wilson Shreder isnt a HotHead, hes driven by revenge and arrogance but hes also very patiently and planned.
Leo would actually be a way better fit. I mean there's a Reason why in most Interpretations it is Leo who goes to on toe with Shreder.
@Nick Wilson why would he try to kill mikey
@@ahabduennschitz7670 yeah because of plot armor
The Shredder and the Ronin....
Do we have alternates for the other two?
Image took the turtles to some of the darkest places in TMNT history.
In Serbian Dub for the 2003 series,Raph's voice actor was also Shredder's.So you can imagine how the voice transition was smooth in that one episode where he 'was' the Shredder
Best Raphs voice in the world ever, change my mind.
I started watching the 2003 series. I'm currently watching the 87 series Right now I'm in season 3
I don't know if I have the wrong settings or something, but there seems to be no TMNT on Netflix, so I'm scurrying RUclips trying to see all the first season of the 87 cartoon
@@shozanhanma2709 watch 1987 series through Dailymotion
I also watched the 2003 series through Dailymotion but watch it online not the app
@@Mighty10917 Dailymotion that's a good idea I forgot about them
@@shozanhanma2709 use Google or something else like Chrome
It was dark but a fun take, also remember reading a fanfic that was really well done that covered and changed a few minor things and then continued it and got darker. ( In the end I think only Don was alive Don. I remember Mikey dieing in a fight, Raph and Leo getting into a fight over it Leo cutting Raph almost in half at the waist and commenting suppiku thinking he had killed Raph. Don was the last alive telling the sorry far in the future I kinda remember the twist was he was talking to Raph who he found out survived way later after everything but could be wrong)
The way you explain for some one who’s read very little of the comics make me wanna read it it!!!!
Imagine how Raph would look in Shao Kahn's armor!!
I didn’t know that about Raphael! Great video!🐢👍🏻
Wish you mentioned the references to it with Raph being the Shredder in a nightmare in the 2003 series while Raph gets brainwashed and wields Shredder's gauntlets in the 2012 series.
Agreed
Somehow I can imagine a Shadowland type storyline where Raph is brainwashed and turned into the Shredder's successor.
Pretty sure there's a 2012 ep on that
I cannot believe my favorite turtle once became a shredder.
Him he was also a vampire for a bit in the 2012 series
@Norva well the series started in 2012, it ended in 2017
@mrblackbelt old but simpler times
My favorite turtle nah it's possible.
Love these type of videos where you cover stuff that happened in the comics for those who haven't read or don't know what's happened in them. Keep up the great work. You're by far the best Ninja Turtles channel on the platform.
This is one of the most unique interpretations of the ninja turtles.
This is a cool story and good concept
That picture creeps me out...
Splinter also became the shredder once when there's a fith turtle and shredder's daughter ask him to the new leader, that back fire.
This is one of the BEST video I have ever seen.
It would have been very interesting if they made a Raphael as the Shredder action figure.
That was scary thing to happen.
This is so cool! But still I honestly can’t see Raph becoming the Shredder in all the iterations after all their battles it would just be a gut punch to join them for whatever reason since you just can’t trust the foot clan and this was proven here in the Image comics.
Michelangelo should become the Shredder, he gets tired of not being taken seriously so he takes more mutagen to get stronger and snaps.
A bit too predictable only in the sense that this is something a lot of people would come up with. Mikey is a clown, but he never displays any large degree of annoyance towards his brother's reactions to his own antics. We already have the 2003 series to show us that if things were to change it would make a lot more sense for Mikey to be the one who ends up changing the most due to dire circumstances.
I saw an Easter Egg of the Raphael-Shredder in the 2003 series. It's where they save Angel's brother... I forgot the name of the episode. 😅
The Darkness Within, one of my favourites
Season 3 episode 14
"Tales Of" TMNT "re-branded" Urban Legend...witty...imo.
There are images where Leonardo is wearing Foot Clan armor
¿ Por que sería como Destructor ?. Y hasta me acuerdo de un cómic donde el era Destructor, Miguel Ángel era el líder de un clan que el mismo creo y Donatello era un niño pequeño... en cuanto Leonardo el había muerto. Es un cómic que nunca lo volví a encontrar... ni siquiera me acuerdo del título.
Awesome video.
Wow when did raph loses his eye?, I remember reading somewhere that donnie becomes a cyborg, but this is new for me.
wait what
@@jadynmurrell80 only time I've heard of Donnie becoming a robot was those last few Mad Max-esque episodes of the 2012 Nickelodeon show
@@skylerb97 all this events are for "TMNT urban legends" the third saga of the old mirage comics.
Can't believe Mikey is the last rimon
Same here. At first I would have assumed Raph would have been the survivor, what with his personality in all.
@@jonathancraddock1810 Even as a Raph fan, I'm thinking that this time, his personality is probably what got him killed.
Wow! Now that Raphael plays a more prominent role in "Rise", maybe we'd get to explore this more. Also, love the Sax version of the "Heroes in The Half-Shell" theme
He was one in 2003 and 2012. One a nightmare and almost became one.
RW:i could just imagine if there was a couple of toys like that and the armor set for roleplay.
Raphael is awesome 😎 pizza dude,s got 30 seconds dude
Mikey said that, not Raph.
Could you cover Sons Of The Silent Age?
I remember in tmnt 2003 raph had a bightmare he was fighting shredder where he is back but once he knock his helmet he was shock distance he will take on the mantle of the shredder and control the foot. This also kinda connect before cancel series of tmnt comics when lady shredder show up and try to force convince raph to join her or die. Before the book was cancel which lady shredder was karai.
It's been a while since I've bought physical comics, so I don't know how easy it is to find. But it's on ComiXology and boy oh boy is it a trip. Highly suggested read here.
what a dope story. MCU could take many notes from this. They love reverting to the status quo. Take an eye away from thor? Casually give him an indistinguishable one in the next movie. Kill loki? Bring him back (they have done it 3 times now) Make thor fat and depressed? Make him ripped and normal again in the next movie. -- Meanwhile, Raphiel gets permanent face damage.
What happened to raph face?
Half of it was blown off in the first issue of Urban Legends/ Volume-3 by a cyborg assassin hired by Pimiko.
I think the ones Ralph connected to the most where the rebellious teens
Didn’t he just we’re the mask cuz his face got blasted of
An r rated turtles movie for the fans would do insanely well
Splinter: You have allowed Shredder to twist your mind and become the very thing you swore to destroy.
Long before it was ever done I always drew the turtles as the Shredder. Always been a fantastic idea to me
I know I already said this in another video but can you make a discord server
Here's a little green crossover battle I'd like to see:
Raph-Shredder (TMNT) VS. Dark Link (Legend of Zelda series)
Yo cowabunga dudes
And thank you for the the new episode of the old turtle den I have some sad news for you the one you watch the power rangers in space about that it was cool!
but the one of them was Jason David Frank the one who plays Dr Tommy Oliver on power rangers series had passed away at the age of 49 sorry for hearing that! Rest in power jdf! And may the power protect you.
Well he does seem to have that rebel nature to him
I can see Shredder signaling out Raph, in case he knows he can’t keep fighting forever for some reason, so he chooses to make Raph be the one to carry on the legacy
Karai shredder force raph to join them in the comic
He is no bad boy. Just have anger issues. If mikey is always happy go lucky, raph is always angry.
Cowabunga! 🐢💕🤙🇵🇭😘🍕
0:49 anyone know the source of that clip?
what about don as metalhead
IAM Raphael THE REASON WHY I LIKE RAPHAEL THE MOSTEST BECAUSE HE ALWAYS BE IN A NASTY MOOD AND THAT ME ALL THE WAY BECAUSE I ALWAYS HAVE A NASTY ATTITUDE DON'T CARE IF YOU LIKE OR NOT AND THAT THE REASON WHY I LOVE Raphael he's so badass damn😛😛😛😜
Ok
You seems just plain obnoxious. Don't ever compare yourself to Raphael especially when you use emojis like that.
You're embarrassing yourself
I thought about reading this comics but they're too violent 😐 I think I prefer just know about it with your video :'v
Star wars style
Léo: Shredder is bad you cannot join him!
Ralph:an other lie of splinter
Leo:ITS OVER RAPH I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND!
RAPH:you underestimate my power
Leo:don’t try it!
*RAPH FAILS*
Leo: you were supposed to eleminate the foot clan not join it bring balance to New York not lead it in darkness
RAPH:SHUT… YOUR SHELL!!
Leo: we’re my brother Raphael I loved you 😢
This is so ironic for rises's movie coming up
I know a comic store who has the tmnt urban legends
Nice.
Yeah so I heard
Leo lost his arm donny was a cyborg ralph got his face blown off what happened to Mikey he the dumb 9ne and nothing happened to him
Not a Mikey fan as Raph is my favorite but I'm thinking maybe Mikey could be deeper than most think. Even when things seem bad maybe he does his out of place joking on purpose while still thinking he's funny to try to help his brothers stay positive and see the fun in battle. From Splinter's viewpoint, each of them has their purpose and that could very well be his.
dope
I hate that at work lol
Ummm.. so who was the female Shredder? You said it wasn’t Shredder’s daughter wearing the armor, but never explained who it was...
I believe the Urban Legends series finally reveals this secret, since in addition to reprinting the Image comics stories it gave writer Gary Carlson and illustrator Frank Fosco, a chance to complete the story then had intended to tell. You will have to read issues 24-26 to discover Lady Shredder's identity. Originally in 1999, the series ended after issue #23 since the sales numbers for the Image series were really poor.
Raphael's depiction as the Shredder however, was referenced in an episode of the third season of the 2003 animated series, "The Darkness Within", where Raph was exposed to his fear of giving into anger and becoming the very thing he hated.
@@user-si9fx4xb6v Well, they gave him a chance to finish the story, but definitely not the one he had intended to tell. There is so much going on that I would have to start from issue #1, because starting from #24 would seriously cause me to miss out on a lot of necessary information, like for example why there’s a sentient armor capable of changing it’s (her) shape.
I’m curious how things would have changed had they not changed who Lady Shredder is revealed to be, and I definitely understand now why it wasn’t answered in the video.
Thank you for your input. Although not the way you had intended, it did engage me to uncover the answer myself.
@@What.99 I am still working through the Image/ Urban Legends series myself, so I would defiantly encourage any TMNT to start at issue 1 and go forward from there. What is this about the story ending differently from what the writer originally intended ?, please explain.
dark tmnt is cool
khalil became the shredder
Don't forget to vote Raphael for president
Remember the 2012
The Last Ronin has been Revealed.
❤❤❤
Why did you stop covering the Armageddon game?
This should've been the sequel to the 1990 movie.
Hahaha that movie had a cheap looking shredder. When this comic the shredder armor is fully body armor and depth shadow in the hlemt with red eyes which tmnt 2003 shredder faithful to the comic look which lady.shredder was also there
What's your point? @@iancruz6617
I hate to say it but Ralph goes the most outta all brothers
Oh😧damn
Will we ever have a dark adaptation of TMNT I'm tired of the kid friendly BS
I thought it was funny when Raph got half his face melted off in the first issue
Sadly the book got cancel the lady shredder suppose to be karai
C
What. !!!!!!
U guys don't even watch it was a dream they were in this egg itbwas a dream
So he never actually went bad. He from start to end was trying to make them a force for good. You was making like he wasn't on his brothers side but he was.
@JacobJ Did you message the wrong person as this has nothing at all to do with what I said.
@@blo0dysmiles297 a year old, barely came back to this video, yeah it was the wrong person 😂
I like raph he’s like ice cube in a shell
I kind a like the old original Raphael the one that's always wise and full of jokes! From tmnt original tv series. it was only in the movie that he was given this new mean and lone wolf personality.
that not really the og personality the lone wolf and mean one is the og personality the comics came before the show .
@@frankspick7544 That's why I specifically referred to the TV series and not the comics. I've never delved into the TMNT comics as I find the televised version far more captivating. The animated adaptation brings the characters to life with vibrant colors, dynamic soundscapes, engaging music, and distinctive voices, enhancing their personalities in ways that static comics cannot replicate. The downside, unfortunately, is that certain elements are sometimes omitted or altered when transitioning from the original source material, a drawback shared by the comic adaptations.
Yet, times have changed, and modern adaptations now have the opportunity to stay truer to the comic origins, much like how DBZ and its anime series closely adhere to the comic's essence. It's a delicate balance; attempting to cater to both media platforms can lead to creative complications. Thus, a decision must be made to lean towards either the TV or comic representation.
While each interpretation holds its own merit, the intrinsic value of the original source material remains irreplaceable. Personally, my initial exposure to TMNT stemmed from the animated TV series, thus I find it helpful to view the various adaptations as distinct timelines, allowing me to appreciate the diverging narratives without diminishing their core origins.
Don't like this angle
I can't stand Raph and his New York accent 🙄
Get out👉