Where Did The Ten Rings Come From? | Marvel Theory
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Today Ben dives into the Marvel Cinematic Universe to answer the biggest unanswered question from Shang-Chi: Where Did the Ten Rings Come from?
Edited by: Riley Murtagh
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On a Scale of Awesome to Space Dragons how much did you love Shang-Chi?
Nonsense answers only please!
Duck in a Cup.
Shenron
Captain poopy man
Space dragons
Water horse space mobius dragon
Why are we still calling Wenwu the Mandarin? He doesn’t like being called a chicken dish
Because it’s just easier for English speakers to call him that
@@TGCgames How is it easier? it’s not like Wenwu is any harder to pronounce than other names in the MCU.
because he is the mandarin from the comics in everything but name
@@twhiteofrd_1102 Not really. If you’ve actually read the comics you’d know they’re very different.
@@twhiteofrd_1102 There’s very little similarity between the two characters when it comes to their backstory, personality, and even power set. Also the comics doesn’t matter in this case. We’re referring to the MCU version who doesn’t refer to himself as Mandarin.
Trevor was likely in isolation with Morris for a very long time so it’s possible he just learned what each mumble/body language meant. It’s a stretch for sure but it’s probably the only reasoning behind it other than the “it’s magic” explanation
yep, its just chewbacca logic everywhere
It's another r2d2 and groot situation
Yea, he must have been trapped with Morris for 11 years. 6 if he was snapped.
that’s what i thought happened
I hated Trevor’s inclusion in the movie. He served no purpose and wasn’t that funny, and he was a random guy intruding on a family’s personal business.
2:34 he's not the mandarin, he never calls himself the mandarin, killian made that name up, shang's dad makes a joke about it when Shang Chi returns to the compound
Indeed who afraid of a fruit lol
He remarked that he's gone by many names, but never said he's not Mandarin. He said his name was used and tied to Mandarin, but never that he didn't go by it. His basis is on the comic Mandarin, so that's how he's getting referred to. Not like he can stop it anyways.
He is dead.
@@mcpics4448 homophobes are
@@jaybedumb As LGBTQIA+, I approve of this joke
@@samurexatlas7373 he makes a joke by saying that they named "the most powerful terrorist in the world" after a chicken dish, so its a safe assumption that he didnt use it
considering that the ten rings originated from the space dragons, they most likely would fit on thier finger claw thingies, but are too big for human fingers, which makes more sense now to have them as bracelets
Also they are call rings not bracelets
@aPowerbrick yes for sure. However, I was more stating that a dragon is significantly larger than a human. On a dragon, they work perfectly as rings since they were designed that way but on humans, they obviously would never fit as anything other than a bracelet. So if it came from dragons it makes sense as to why they are called rings.
They’re called rings because that’s the shape of them.
In Halo, the covenant call the Halo’s “the sacred rings” or “the rings” because that is their shape. They are the shape of a ring. A ring is defined as a circular object. They’re not called rings in the sense that they’re meant for fingers. They’re called rings in the sense that they are that shape.
Apparently the character of Fin Fang Foom is controversial in China and seen as offensive- so yeah, I doubt there gonna be calling him that if he does make an appearance in the sequel.
Shang Chi’s dad was originally Dr. Fu Manchu… a very racist caricature of East Asian people. Lots of Shang Chi lore is problematic.
@@logansmith7517 yeah I think they're just planning on giving the entire sub-franchise a rebrand, giving the characters more authentic Chinese names and bases in Chinese culture and mythos
@@logansmith7517 And so was the original Mandarin from the comics - basically, Fu Manchu with some magic rings. But the Chinese market has a lot of profit potential for Marvel (and every movie studio) so they don't want to do anything to annoy the Chinese.
It’s also just a really dumb name.
@@logansmith7517 Whelp, when you consider his first appearance was right around the time there were some very racist portrayals of Asians in American media, it makes total sense.
I’ve been so excited to see your Shang Chi content!
Only thing I’d note is that Shang Chi’s name can’t be just cut into “Shang” because in Mandarin the whole name is Shang Chi (it’s like calling Mary-Kate Olsen just “Mary Olsen”). Unless you’re mentioning him by his English name Shaun, Shang Chi is his whole first name.
They quite literally call him Shang multiple times in the film. Chill.
thank you for saying this it’s hard to correct people but it’s so important that people know this
@@gingermlg They call him "Shaun" as thats the name he takes when he moves to america.
@@gingermlg they refer to “Shaun” in his English name but every time it’s used in Chinese it’s “Shang-Chi.” This is such a minute detail that doesn’t ruin this SCB video by any means, just wanted to call attention to it because it’s an element of Chinese names that might be unique to people of other cultures since each character in a Chinese name has a lot of meaning.
@@tiger4thewin no, katy specifically calls him Shang multiple times, to the point it becomes a callback.
When you get corrected, take the L.
Correction: Ta Lo isn’t just a village, it’s an entire realm parallel to the MCU.
But also what a theory!!
Also BTW, in the comics Ta-Lo is basically ‘Chinese Asgard’. In that much like how Asgard was home to the Aesir (the gods of Norse mythology), Ta-Lo is said to be the home of the Xian (figures who were the inspiration behind the gods of Taoism).
The film makes a slight reference to this fact during the opening prologue when Shang-Chi’s mother Li said that the people of Ta-Lo practiced the “martial arts of the gods”.
@@bryannkam Ö that’s so cool!! I gotta look more into this now. Hope there are action dramas based on it too 😅 I grew up with these tv action series like Bao Cong and Journey to the West and learned this part of the culture mainly through that. 🥰
@@bryannkam thats so cool.
I'm surprised you didn't use the argument that the "rings" are clearly wayy too big to be rings, they're clearly bracelet sized on any human. But on a giant space dragon however, they could probably be appropriately sized rings to be put on fingers and not arms.
They’re called rings because that’s the shape of them.
In Halo, the covenant call the Halo’s “the sacred rings” or “the rings” because that is their shape. They are the shape of a ring. A ring is defined as a circular object. They’re not called rings in the sense that they’re meant for fingers. They’re called rings in the sense that they are that shape.
I feel bad for that poor dragon. He just trying to take a nap and some rando comes along and steals his rings
Ben getting excited about space dragons is exactly what I needed in my life 😂
Ben: Shang Chi is a dragon... kind of.
Me: pfft no way, ridiculous.
10 mins later...
Me: Oh my god of course he's half space dragon! It makes so much sense!
"What's better than a Space Dragon? Nothing! NOTHING is better than a Space Dragon."
I can find no flaw in this argument.
Can’t argue that
*WRONG*
Space God Dragon
(insert the Spock "Logical" gif here)
Ben doing the video shirtless would be better in my opinion - love his beard and does he have green eyes? Maybe he's part dragon himself, or just drinking too much coffee?
Space dragons with ducks in cups
His name is Wenwu, not Mandarin!
Another theory: the rings use mystic/ cosmic magic, same as dr strange, sorcerers AND recently revealed Eternals (as shown in trailer - all of them use the same yellow/orange magic as the rings and sorcerers). Moreover there was 10 eternals so WHAT IF it was planned for each to have 1 ring? And what if the crater was left by them because as we know they are ancient as well? Would really nicely tie them into MCU and explain why Shang Chi had to come out before the Eternals in order to introduce them to some extent!
Man, I'm really not a fan of the Eternals being aliens now. =(
Though seeing the big creature with the Eternals -- I am thinking Galactus is being summoned by the Rings?
Yes I agree sick theory
I think the 10 eternals/10 rings makes a lot of sense
Great video. Two small nitpicks:
1) His name is not Shang. It's Shang-Chi. Anytime you hear otherwise (apart from the exchange on the plane), he is being called Shaun, not Shang.
2) The character is called Wenwu, not the Mandarin. The Mandarin was a name made up by Aldrich Killian in Iron Man 3 and Wenwu even calls back to it in the movie saying that it's not his name. He's been called a number of other things over the years but the Mandarin does not refer to him
This 👆
When shangs mom dances with his dad in the beginning she takes the rings and they turn gold too
exactly, she could be a full dragon too and shang chi is half dragon half human. His aunt must also be a dragon because they seem to have this thai chi power that others dont
I swear to God, you guys keep saying "orange" IT'S GOLD
What is gold if not shiny ✨ orange ✨
“IT'S FREAKING ORANGE, not gold, not yellow, it's FREAKING ORANGE”-Grif (except he didn’t say freakin)
I doubt many people on this family friendly Channel will get this reference… 😂
This video hit every point except one (4:15) It's the first time his father's power (the 10 rings) and his mother's power (the dance move that allowed her to take the rings) were combined.
That I believe is why Wong could hear Shang using the rings.
Remember his father up till then was always using the rings like Whiplash from Iron Man 2 whipping them around. Shang like his mother could spin them around and mid-air and combine them to send right back at his enemies. Definitely a whole another level.
I think that since they mentioned specifically that it wasn't Vibranium, that the Rings could also be a set up for Adamantium, basically just to show that it exists, and is extraordinarily powerful. Also Adamantium because Wolverine is such a popular character and they need to get both Logan and Deadpool into the MCU somehow.
This is why I love the Super Carlin Brothers. When you said “space dragons” I said (NO WAY) by the end of the video I was like (THIS IS THE WAY)
This is the way
I really like this theory, because it could explain how he may get fire powers in the MCU later on that he had that elemental fire powers a little in the comics at times,
Fire powers....Shang chi is zuko!!
My wife and I rescued a kitten last week and named him Morris because of this film
Coincidentally, I think the reason they named the creature Morris because of a staff member's Dachshund.
Shangchi cannot be shortened to just 'Shang' as a nickname. Nicknames don't work like that in Chinese.
And as a general note, can we please stop defaulting to referring to Wenwu as 'the Mandarin' and Xialing as 'the sister'. The names may be unfamiliar to an English speaking tongue, especially names like Xialing, but we should give proper names the proper respect and try with appropriate pronunciation as well. Genuine efforts to pronunce names are appreciated.
Otherwise, thanks for the vid.
I didn't even catch how to pronounce Xialing when watching he film. Mind explaining phonetically?
@@kenziehurlock the “X” in mandarin has a sound similar to the “sh” sound in english. So Xialing sounds like “Sha-ling,” with the “a” sounding like the “a” in “awesome.” I hope this helps!
@@kenziehurlock I got the pronunciation from cast videos like this one: ruclips.net/video/0YCtcoO_now/видео.html
I get what you're say and I completely agree but don't multiple characters refer to Shang-Chi as Shang in the movie? I'm like, basically hearing impared though so they could have been Shawn (I am talking about AFTER Shang-Chi told Katy about his real name)
I totally agree!
That sponsor countdown bar that you had between 1:05 and 2:05 is incredibly misleading and I think that was the intention
Theory: Trevor has been to space and has a translating chip in his neck like Peter quill. That’s how he can talk to Morris
I wouldn't be surprised if the Hulk at one point said 'this is boring, Hulk go sleep' when Professor Hulk was doing some basic research.
You repeatedly called Wen Wu the Mandarin. That's an orange. He's not the Mandarin. There is no Mandarin.
10:32 That Dune 1 game close-up wink...
Why do you keep calling Wenwu, Mandarin? It was a joke in the movie that that was the American name but like never used any other time… (I understand the comics are different etc. but this is an MCU theory)
"The ten rings themselves are kind of the latest and greatest additions..." Sorry, but I can't help but be disappointed with how they chose to portray these artifacts considering the huge potential they represented. In the comics, each one has a different power such as conjuring lightning or controlling fire. And while I recognize they wanted to adapt them in a way that would benefit a more Hong Kong style kung fu movie, the route they chose was perhaps the least interesting possible, especially when you consider what It means to merge the Mandarin (original wielder of the ten rings) with Shang Chi's father, who was originally Doctor Fu Manchu before Marvel lost the license to use the character. Now, moving past the stereotypical way both characters were portrayed there are still some very interesting aspects in how those characters can combine.
My thought, was that they could tweak the functionality of the rings to manipulate matter and energy in a manner similar to Avatar the Last Airbender style martial arts magic. Maybe one ring can control electromagnetism, another kinetic energy, another can rearrange molecular bonds or manipulate life energy/chi. In his early days, the Mandarin would just use the rings as a sorcerer, controlling lightning, fire, creating fields of force, transmuting matter into other states, etc. All of this focused through the lense of martial arts spellcasting (which frankly is also fairly in line with the magic in Doctor Strange). But as he practices with them, and learns more of their subtleties and nuance, he becomes more and more interested in science and physics, becoming an inventor/innovator as Fu Manchu was portrayed, (alot of those mad genius/bond villain tropes were inspired by Fu Manchu). So once he's been alive for a thousand years into the modern era, he's become more of a spy master than a warlord. The MCU already has an overabundance of shadowy secret organisations that have incredible influence over world politics, so the Mandarin could be more of a secret keeper who strives to unlock magical and scientific mysteries, rather than another Hydra or Red Room.
This preserves his interest in Ta Lo, but also gives him more reason to be interested in the Dweller in Darkness beyond just him being manipulated by the voice of his dead wife. This makes him a more dynamic and nuanced character, and would have allowed them to achieve more with the character, who I don't think they needed to kill off at the end either.
ben, i love you, but every time you called Wenwu "the Mandarin" i cringed.
Morris speaks through his ears.
What ears? Ears are part of heads and Morris has none.
@@kenziehurlock Do dolphins have ears? Does a head have to be a separate segment than the torso to be counted as a head?
If you've seen the show Iron Man Armoured Adventures, you know the story of the Makluan rings pretty well I reckon.
As the rings are in the movie, they are significantly depowered; but that does line up with how they are depicted in the Iron Man Armoured Adventures show.
In the show you need the "Dragonseed" (a genetic marker passed on from one human gifted with it originally by a Makluan) to use the Makluan Rings.
Could it be that the reason the rings glow orange with Shang-Chi is because he has the heart of the dragon because lets not forget in the mom and dad first meeting fight mom was able to control some of the rings they glowed orange as well
Question- Are these the same dragons that are mentioned in the Defenders? Where there was a skeleton in that big hole under Hell's Kitchen, and were the source of the Hand's immortality? Or were those... non...space...dragons?
I mean, according to the MCU, the Defenders never happened, so...whatever makes you happy? XD
@@Arkainum oh.. I thought it was canon... and we were maybe gonna see matt murdoch in the new spiderman.
Comicdrake did a really informative video on the history of shang chi that explains its similarities with iron fist
I‘m always living for Ben‘s humour
Three for Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the dwarves in their halls of stone,
Nine for Men doomed to die-
Whoops, wrong franchise!
Wenwu himself said american appropriated his identity and name him upon chicken dish... 😐 Means there's no more mandarin, but his character is still there with different name...
I mean, does it sounds like if u have an Italian villain, and his name is THE bolognese?
The She-Hulk show will have Bruce, Abomination, and Ross in it. No confirmation about Betty though.
I need Shang Chi content thank you
You're Welcome! I need more Shang Chi too!
The sponsor time bar had me dead good idea guys lol
Does anybody else act shocked and start ferociously bobbing there head whenever the intro starts playing. No?...... just me. Ok.
i know the terrorists appropriated the organization name of other terrorists, but "The Mandarin" is a bit part played by Trevor and Wenwu is not named that. He may be the head of an evil organization, but learning a little bit about how the language works would be nice.
Shang-Chi and the Legends of the Ten Rings was a great movie. Can't wait to see more of Shang-Chi. Really hope Shang-Chi can team up with Iron Fist in the MCU
Ben.... everyone on RUclips already knew abomination was in the movie. Like everyone. The question should have been, why is he comic accurate now? But the answer is also pretty obvious. He's just more mutated now, its kinda his thing lol.
They also changed hulks design from Incredible Hulk to avengers
@@shane7778 they also changed Bruce Banner design from Incredible Hulk to Avengers 😉
Anyone who has heard of King Ghidorah should know that trifling with a Space Dragon is Not A Good Idea. Especially if you don't have Godzilla on your side...
ok just one point bc i'm only 3mins in, but have seen that you should be saying his full name "Shang-Chi" or "Shangqi" bc that's not a middle name or a last name, it's one whole name and to reduce it to just Shang changes the meaning... otherwise just call him Shaun
I would like to start out by saying this is a really good theory. My only issue is that his mother also takes control over the rings in the fight with his dad, and they also glow orange. So I think it is still the link to that side of the family helping with the color. The question is why didn’t her use of them trigger anything?
"Shang ... is a dragon ......... sort!" I love how he delivers his "sort of!" lines. It's always perfect.
It's hinted that Shang-Chi is a descendant of the protector dragon which kind of puts a whole in this theory
Awlright I'll bite, if the space dragons are coming then there better be space pandas with their 10 keychains to fight em
Holy space dragons, Batman!
I guessed that Fin Fang Foom was involved when the first trailer for Shang-Chi dropped!
I had a thought during the film - what if Katy’s grandfather was the man Shang chi was sent to kill on that mission when he was 14?
There’s no narrative point in shrinking the universe like that. Also we would have gotten hints of that in the first movie if that was the plan.
ok but like i thought the same thing!
But we clearly saw the person who killed Shang-Chi’s mother and that wasn’t him
@@CaitLumos did we ever see who Katy's grandfather was?
@@ashleynicoledickerson8844 you know what, I think I was confused and thought we saw a picture or something, but I don’t think we did
Why do you keep calling the Shang's dad "The Mandarin" when there's a whole scene in the movie where he mocks the fact that someone faked being the leader of the ten rings and called themselves the Mandarin.
J and Ben, I know it's off topic for this video... but I would love to hear you both explain how your set was created. I want to make a place to display collectibles like you do from my favorite fandoms, but I don't know where to start. I'd love to hear any advice! Thank you!
Morris reminded me so much of the dog that was turned into a footstool in Beauty and the Beast. I kept thinking about that when I watch the movie.
I’m with you on the Dr Strange weirdness. He’s suspicious AF in the Spider-Man trailer. It made my spidey senses tingle
Where are you guys able to watch Shang-Chi? I really want to watch it, but as far as I can find, it’s not available until mid October (except in theaters)
Awesome video Ben! Space dragons, I love it 😊
So for your sponsored section ya'll tried out a new tactic with the bar. The bar doesn't go from end to end when the sponsor portion starts (I'm counts from 1:03) it starts around at 80% length of the video width, and then goes down by half within 11 secs, and the second half goes down within 1min 3secs.
This is intentional deception, you're lying to your viewers that more than half of the sponsored content is over, when it's not, they've only watched a 10% of it whereas more than ~85% remains.
Your viewers love you, love them back, and be honest with you sponsorship placements. Don't trick them into watching the entire thing.
This looks to me more like a miscalculation than an intentional deception
@@CaitLumos maybe, but the rate the bar speed changes is so smooth and does end around when the sponsored portion ends, makes me believe otherwise
Don't forget that Trevor had such a great inspiration when he saw monkeys who were acting to ride horses. Trevor probably knew Morris before EN...
I’m genuinely curious, do you guys switch chair positions after every statement? Is it awkward to do so?😂
They talk about it in their podcast, that they move around so the video is less static. However this video they might have over done it...
I’m accepting the spoilers because you guys are my favorite youtubers and I can’t wait to see the movie first, I need some comfort content
For some reason I'm picturing Scruffy from futurama being like, "Yep. We got space dragons." then casually going back to his magazine.
Great video, love the enthusiasm 😄. The Iron man armoured adventures showed the space lizards/dragons. The main plot was teenage Tony finding all the rings. Such a good series and super underrated😁 its on Netflix (Australia).
An idea I had for an upcoming video could be Ranking Every Post Credit Scene in the MCU? Maybe a 2 part series
But the mother temporarily used the rings on the beginning. Why didn't they set off the signal
Please stop calling him The Mandarin. I understand his character in comics is based off the cominc’s Mandarin and fu man shu but in movie he had a whole monologue to his family of the importance of names and how Trever appropriated his likeness and created the Mandarin when being hired for the role. In movie lore Wenwoo is NOT the Mandarin and addressing him as that feels disrespectful.
Ta Lo and the Dweller in Darkness are actually more deep-seated Marvel references than you think; and the former, the Great Protector, and Shang Chi's use of the Ten Rings are used as mock-ups for K'un-Lun, Shou Lau, and the Iron Fist (which is sad, because - despite not knowing at all before Nerdist and still enjoying it - I felt like Marvel was going to use Shang Chi as their answer to Iron Fist or else replace K'un-Lun and Shou Lau with Ta Lo and the Great Protector for an Iron Fist spin-off).
I watched it last night, the fight scenes were amazing! 🐉
10:30 Missed opportunity for a Smaug joke
Ben, please call him Wenwu, it's not a hard name and Mandarin is a very racist name. They even called it out in the movie.
I immediately thought it was weird that Shang was immediately a pro at using the rings on his first time out
Love you guys. In this case, Mat Pat (the Film Theorist) had basically this same theory 3 months before you guys... And he got it all from the trailer!
Shang’s mother also uses the rings while fighting his father and the rings even turn orange. And she’s a descendant of Ta Lo so…
I think the rings/the signal might have something to do with the deviants or eternals... or celestials. After all, his mom used the rings while fighting his dad (where they also glowed yellow/orange) and that didnt send out a beacon. Maybe its just cause its post snap
9:14 I was waiting for Franklin, much better than a space dragon. But I guess we're not using that SCB running gag anymore.
I feel like a good Super Carlin Brothers fan when I heard, "Because he's a Dragon!" and I knew what you meant.
TLDR; Shang Chi is a draconic bloodline sorcerer
I was on board right up until the dragons "Liked the people on earth". I can believe everything but..... i mean, WE don't even like each other as humans, what makes you think aliens would like us> hahahaha.
nothing is better than a space dragon!
I don´t know if this is an easter egg: The sister of shang chi dosen´t have mercy on the soldiers of his father. *when she says: what? did America make you soft?* On the other hand his father didn´t kill that guy before asking him where was the killer of his wife. I don´t really know if there is any kind of connection.
The rings turn Gold which is the color of celestial magic when Shang uses them
I like that Wong is is the Agent Colston of phase 4.
I thought it was obvious that Wong was fighting the abomination… is it not?
This fits perfectly
I like that Ben is literally saying Shang-Chi half right 😂
I've heard of Fing Fang Fum he's in LEGO Marvel 2.
I think Carol is going to meet up with Monica and Fury.
That's a great analogy. The only flaw is that Shang Chi's mother also used the rings when she fought the mandarin at the beginning of the movie and you know she used them because the rings also turned orange when she did. So why then didn't the ten rings set off the beacon then. Why did it work for only Shang Chi?
Should't the beacon be set off then since Shang chi's mom is more if not full space dragon and shang chi is only half space dragon
I think it's because he used them more fully, and is the product of both his mom and dad
They’re making a She Hulk Disney+ show and both Hulk and Abomination are confirmed to be in it
Space Dragons! Excellent 🐉
The way I've heard it Mock-ooo-lon
I think the Hulk stuff is probably leading towards the She-Hulk series. Iirc she's supposed to be getting that or a movie I believe.
Know who else can't accept tranquiity? wait for it... wait for it.... waaaait for it....... SpaceDragonBen!
Just realized that Fred and George might have used a time turner to get such an acurate prediction in the quidditch world cup against Ludo Bagman. And tought it was your mission to figure out how they managed to pull that one off. Cheers.
I always thought their bet was a pretty good one, considering krum was the best seeker at the time but the Irish chasers were light-years better than the Bulgarian ones. if you assume that the main reason the Bulgarian team made it to the finals was because of krum, the bet makes sense. no time turner needed.
yay, wand... er I mean, ring loyalty XD lol
I actually have a thoery about why Bruce was Bruce and not Prof. Hulk. maybe he's reverted to try to heal his arm. Like he's using something to supress the gamma in his system including the excess gamma pumped into him by the gauntlet
Wthhh omggg they came from "SPACE DRAGONS"😂😂😂😂😂SO FIRE🔥