My theory is that Mobius is a varient, who branched off from his orginal self in the 90s. This gives more meaning and motivation behind his soft spot for Loki. It also explains why he's so vague and doesn't have a number.
I thought the “Loki,” or big, bad villain of the series, was actually going to shed its hood to reveal a future Mobius who realized the TVA was full of malarkey. He then turned rogue and decided to take down the whole organization. I thought this because of all the talks he and Loki had that showed just how much Mobius was desensitized to the meaning of life and free will, instead being ruled by some all knowing force that he had never met. Maybe this Future Mobius had realized that there were no such people as the time keepers. It was just some people who discovered time travel and realized the importance/power they had found.
@@austinclements4074 I considered it…but decided that I liked the idea of Loki destroying the sacred timeline much better than Mobius being the one to do it. (I’m not sure whether I like Mobius or not-one moment he’s sympathetic, the next he’s kinda gaslighting and making me hiss in Authoritarian Issues)
Imagine if Loki GAVE us Mephisto. Then a) everyone’s mind would be blown and b) everyone would laugh at themselves for expecting it in WandaVision. They will probably just give us nightmare but who knows???
@@TheLilyGraceLife I know, it was (mostly) a joke. I followed all of the theories. But good job keeping up with them (there are so many 😅-I spent way too much time finding them all) Also on a scale of 1-10 how excited are you for ep. 4?
What I hope to see at the end of the series: Mobius with a jet ski Casey with a fish Loki with some candy LetThorandLokibetogetheragainpleaseforheavenssakejustletthembebrosagain Mobius eating his salad
If you’ve never ridden a jet ski, you wouldn’t know this: when you ride, you are NOT in complete control. Once you get up to speed, you are skimming the water’s surface and essentially hydroplaning across the lake. Of all the modes of transportation, jet skis are the one most in tune with “it’s chaos, and we try to make sense of control over that chaos”. Take that for what you will.
Idk I was watching a show that had the Allstate man as God and he never once said that anyone was in good hands…he was G O D, it would’ve been SO easy to do and make it organic lol
This theory has a hole. We see that Loki's duplicates don't have mass. The running joke of Thor throwing things at him to see if he's really there shows us that. And as he says, 'holographic'. If that were a duplicate, Thanos would have reached out and his hand would have gone right through the duplicate.
While this is true, Lady Loki / Sylvie has also demonstrated abilities that Main Timeline and Variant Loki don't possess, such as consciousness transfer into a host. Variant Loki says hypnosis, but it's clearly more. Main Loki could only do this with aid of the Mind Stone, and that WAS just hypnosis. So it's not a stretch to believe that Lady Loki has other abilities Variant Loki does not. Yet... as it is magic, which can be taught.
@@prince_nocturne This further proves that Lady Loki is in fact not the Loki from Ragnarok and Thanos did in fact kill him. So again, the theory is flawed.
The way he explains duplication casting in the show makes it sound like an entirely separate ability, perhaps one that we've never seen him use for whatever reason. In the films, the ability we're familiar with that allows him to create projections of himself also clearly allows him to edit those projections (see the prison scene in thor 2) which doesn't sound like the perfect molecular copy that he describes in this episode.
Their usage of outdated tech to me kind of played into the “they aren’t what they seem” mentality that’s been getting tossed around throughout the show. The 1984 thing definitely connects the dots.
Yes, I thought this too...but I had another theory which is that the more tech you have, the more likely you are to get hacked (think: Ultron), so perhaps they have decided the retro 80s tech is the most advanced they should get to prevent tech hacking??
The Variant is Sylvie. She specifically says "Don't call me Loki". And the spanish dub credits of Loki has her as Sylvie not lady Loki. But I think the time keepers either are not real or are bad guys. Hence why Loki says "Bad guys are not always bad and good guys are not always good" (paraphrased lol)
She also says "you're me" to Loki, and has the same temproal aura as him. It's more likely that Lady Loki used Sylvie's body when she reicarnated and just prefers to go by that name.
@@im_living_dead she says don't call me loki cus loki isn't her name. She's sylvie laufeydottir (daughter of laufey) That would make her an alternate loki. They are both variants
Me: reads the title Also me: Don't do that... don't give me hope... But seriously tho I'm pretty sure it was confirmed that that Loki really is dead and gone
@@SuperCarlinBrothers the problem is I don’t think this variant Loki is gonna go back to his timeline to know about this cuz I think they reset the timeline to a different Loki that doesn’t grab the tesseract and therefore doesn’t know about thanos killing him so he dies and Loki that grabbed the tesseract is just gonna kinda not have a place to be
This Loki is not exactly from the sacred Timeline, right? That means althou the Loki from the sacred timeline is das, this Loki can travel Into the sacred timeline. Especially during multiverse of madness. I Don't think this Loki has to live throu everything that happened in the sacred timeline to go back there.
The new show really makes me feel for Loki tbh- his entire existence is only to be terrible without a chance of redemption because it doesn’t fit the timeline
He does kinda get redemption though in Thor Ragnarok and infinity war but he doesn't ever have a chance at a happy ending because some space lizards decided it was so.
I feel like that's what the TVA wants you to think. Really what Loki is is mischief, chaos, disorder and most importantly freedom which are all things the TVA doesnt want. Hence all Lokis end up being typecast as bad guys instead of chaotic people.
I think the timekeepers are dead as Mobius says he has never seen them before. The TVA is maintaining the current timeline removing variants to stop branches. The goal of female loki is to create a multiverse of madness which would then lead into Dr Strange attempting to fix the timeline. Also I think Thanos did kill that Loki as that is the proper timeline. His death motivates Thor to make Stormbreaker and continue fighting Thanos.
Big Plot hole in this theory: Thor totally survives the Asgardian Ship explosion after he falls to the floor and clutches Lokis dead body, and he would be found by the Guardians regardless so there would still be somebody who knows.
@@MontgomeryWenis They can be interacted with. See Thor 2. Loki left the duplicate body there. Thor interacted with it. The soldiers interacted with it as well. It was because a body was found that the Asgardians "knew" Loki was dead.
One has to think that Ravonna's other agent is a certain Mr Nathaniel Richards, better known by the name of Kang the Conqueror. The two almost always appear side by side in the comics.
Random fun fact: Most people know that Eugene and Rapunzel from tangled have the largest couple age gap (Eugene being 25-26 and Rapunzel being 18) *BUT* Milo from Atlantis is 32 years old when the movie takes place, He falls in love with Kida who is 8,500-8,800 years old. So… **cough** THE AGE DIFFERENCE IS AT MOST 8,768 YEARS!!!!!
Theory for you. This is from my 10 year old daughter, Charlotte, after we binged infinity war, end game, and Loki in one weekend. Were the Avengers supposed to lose? In Infinity War, Dr. Strange looked at 14 million possible futures and the avengers only win in one of them. But, the TVA in Loki says that Loki picking up the space stone was not supposed to happen. If Loki had not picked up the stone, Tony would not have gone to the 1970s and talked with his father, and may not have been in a state to sacrifice himself. More importantly, if Loki had not picked up the stone they would have been in a different one of the 14 million possibilities that Dr Strange looked at, so they would have ultimately lost. That means that either the TVA is making stuff up as they go, or the avengers were supposed to lose to 2014 Thanos had the original timeline been maintained. Also, LOVE Super Carlin Brothers, you guys are awesome. My daughter and I love watching your videos.
I think this whole Dr. Strange 14 million possibilities thing was ill conceived. They really shot themselves in the foot especially since they knew they were working towards time travel and multiverse stuff. It just makes literally no sense that only one possible timeline would result in victory anyway given that any character in any movie choosing to breathe at a slightly different time could be considered a separate "timeline." Now we're actually seeing multiple different timelines that are both probably going to lead to victory unless the mcu switches up their time travel theory.
I feel as though this is how Loki will end, with the time keepers realising that this should be the proper timeline - where Loki survives and the Avengers win against Thanos, hence allowing Loki to go back into the MCU
@@Slink1701 I feel like it wasn't just winning for their timeline, but winning in every timeline. Strange saw that future as the victory for every timeline, say for instance the timeline which never had Thanos after 2014. That means Strange also spared that alternate timeline from having Thanos gain any of the stones to begin with, thus reversing the snap in his timeline, and outright preventing it in another
@@strifenineteen I believe this is his point they only did what they did, in part, because Loki stole the tesseract. So the the question is how what they did could be meant to happen if what Loki did is not.
It's called a recursive acronym. GNU in Linux stands for "GNU's not linux" or cURL which stands for "Curl URL Request Library". There's a similar existing joke for Benoit B. Mandlebrot.
Fun theory: There’s a theory that suggests that the tva is in the quantum realm. Here is why it is thought so: 1. In ant man and the wasp features a small city in the distance/background 2. The tva has to time travel to make sure the timeline stays on track, and how do you time travel in the mcu? Through the quantum realm 3. Mobius states that time moves differently in the tva, just as the quantum realm moves differently in the mcu
Problem with your theories is that The Avengers used the quantum realm for time travel while TVA uses time portals outside the quantum realm. Time is different in quantum realm but it has equivalent (1 year = 1 hour in QR) while TVA has no time equivalent whatsoever. The city you're talking about is Chronopolis, but TVA is in the null time zone, not in the QR.
I'll just add that in the comics, the Quantum Realm is also refereed to as the Microverse. There are cities within it, but Chronopolis is not one of them. There is zero confirmation that the city seen in the MCU was Chronopolis. It is nothing but a fan theory. But, with that being said, most of the residents of the Microverse and the Microverse itself are owned by Hasbro. So, I can't really say for certain what the MCU is doing with the city in the Quantum Realm. Though, they have struck deals with Hasbro in the past. Which could lead to the introduction of the Micronauts.
Yeah but lately they barely talk about the theory, they talk about everything else besides the theory be ause they need the videos to be a certain length so they can put in mid role and end role adds
@@teonyi Well look at it this way, the video was supposed to be a theory about how Loki could have survived Thanos. Yet they spent the first 10-12 minutes of a 15 minute video talking about Mobius and a bunch of his stuff, which had nothing to do with the title of the video. Then threw in like 1-2 minutes actually about the video topic and the rest of the video was the sponser stuff. So we only got about 2 minutes about what the video was actually about.
@@Marpen1980-Live nothing about mobius was related to the theory....because it was loki that came up with the idea of hiding in earth changing events. At best they could have included the times he was talking to mobius about that stuff and the stuff about how he creates a projection of himself which was actually about the theory, but the whole 10 minutes about him and his love of jet skis had absolutely nothing to do with the theory in the title. Basically they needed to pad their video length to get the options for as many ads as they could so they included a bunch of nonsense about mobius that had nothing to do with the title. To take from Th3 Birdman "they padding their video"
I was just about to say they were uber popular in the 90’s and a lot of my friends go out of their way to purchase ski’s that still run well from that era
@@troysaxon8740 a buddy of mine just dropped 3k on a jetski from the nineties that I'm helping him fix up. The lines are gorgeous, the paint job needs to be rethought, all neon stripes and slashes lol
My thought on the "trophies". When the nexus timeline is erased, he takes something. Doesn't matter bc it will get destroyed anyway. This act of taking something wouldn't effect or create a nexus.
Wait, so doesn’t Lady Loki kinda *have* to accomplish her goal for Dr.Strange: Multiverse of Madness to happen? Or do you think there will be a plot-twist so that it’s the same outcome, but how they get there is in a “different” way than expected?
I agree that Lady Loki wants to enable free will and start a mulitverse, but I'm not sure about Loki surviving Thanos. I think the TVA would have noticed.
The thing with doing anything in the apocalyptic situation is, it can’t too big. For example, you can stab someone in Pompeii cuz they gonna die anyway, but if you decapitate everyone in Pompeii, that’ll affect the archeological findings substantially later on in the future.
Loki can canonically enthrall people in addition to changing their appearance. Who’s to say Loki didn’t do that (or will). His reaction is someone who’s seen their own death. He also showed a determination to Beat It-and I don’t think it was Just For Himself. Look how he reacts to Frigga’s Death and his reconciliation with Thor and his people. His grief at Asgard’s Destruction and how many DIED because of it So, who’s to say that he didn’t/won’t have someone In on his scheme against Thanos and against the Time Gatekeepers who chooses to sacrifice himself/let Loki puppet them to make it even more convincing-with the expectation that Loki WILL put an end to what destroyed them, even if he can’t bring them back in an alternate reality. It adds more weight to “the sun will shine on us again,” anyway…which I’m Sorry rings more like a vow or prophesy than “welp, see ya in Valhalla Maybe”
I wonder if they're going to follow more closely with the comic origin of Lady Loki, where, after _he_ dies in Ragnarok, his soul is reincarnated into a female body. The Lady Loki we are seeing in the show could be the _exact same Loki_ who died in Infinity War. After he died at the hands of Thanos, his _soul_ was reincarnated into the body of Sophia Di Martino, and that's who we are seeing in the show. In other words, Lady Loki is the "true" Loki (whose story we've watched through the MCU), while the 'main-character-to-the-show' Loki is merely a variant from an alternate timeline (when he escaped in Endgame). Although that doesn't answer the question of what Lady Loki's motive is for bombing the timeline... because the main MCU timeline "dead" Loki was more hero than villain, and I can't really imagine him being so callous when killing the minutemen. Unless he/she knows something we don't, like maybe the minutemen are lifeless husks or robots or that the TVA is evil or something along those lines. All of this seems unlikely for Marvel to do, but I personally think it makes more sense (and would be more fun) than "she's just a female version from another timeline where Laufey had a daughter instead of a son." What do y'all think?
Why? That feels so random?? Loki just dried himself. If there was a clone, then where did it/the original Loki even go? And why would Loki have not done this before to.. idk.. stop Thanos from choking him?
I liked the first episode of Loki, but the second sold me on the series. Ever since Shrek 2 I've become entrenched in the "Holding out for a Hero makes every action scene better" camp.
I like how every time you guys post a theory I always think to myself, this is ridiculous. Then by the time I’m done with the video this seems like a perfectly logical explanation of things to come
If anyone thought Loki survived that Thanos crunch in Infinity War, him coming up to the screen in the first episode and turning pale and wide-eyed as he watches should have been enough of a clarification. That's not the face of a man watching himself cleverly escape, that's the face of a man watching himself die. And if _anyone_ would notice any funny business, _he_ would. Not to mention the TVA - a _hilariously_ powerful interuniversal investigative agency - marked that moment as the End Of File for Loki. Yes they can always use time travel to retcon that later, but as of right now that death is real, and retconning it would cheapen it. Every other time there was always some mitigating circumstance for Loki. Infinity War was clearly meant to be for real.
Since I didn't see this: Jet Ski is brand name of a personal water craft manufactured by Kawasaki. It just became a general term for any kind of personal watercraft. Kawasaki released stand up Jet Ski with twin motors and underwater rotors in 1992. In 2003 SX-R was released which was criticized for lacking the playfulness of previous models. So, no. They don't make better Jet Skis after the nineties. Also, this was directly from Wikipedia, so take this info with some reservation
They're also called bombardiers or sea-doos, depending on where you're from or who you buy from, iirc. If the jet ski topic is important, Mobius using regional or cultural jargon could reveal who he was/is.
I loved Loki’s Latin spiel. Idk why, but it just tickled me that he’s fluent in Latin. Also, his whole “nothing matters!” As he’s throwing stuff in the air just… I just loved that. 😄
Loki just made my exact point when infinity war came out. Loki is the trickster god, there is no way he was truly dead. I hope with lady Loki they fix the continuity error of Loki being hel’s (hela to marvel) parent along with the world serpent, Odin horse and fenrir (the one from Thor ragnarok, not Harry Potter)
i swear if i hear one more person go off spanish subtitles for this theory i will lose my mind. she literally says to loki "you're me", and they have the same temporal aura. lady loki could just be using sylvie's body/was reincarnated as her
@@im_living_dead well sylvie is a creation of loki. so technically her saying that "you're me" doesn't mean that she's isn't sylvie. she also doesn't want to be called loki. the credits aren't the only sign that point to this *possibly* being sylvie.
Loki’s duplication casting casts holographic duplicates of himself. He doesn’t actually create a physical body double. That’s why I’m Ragnarok when he casts a duplicate of himself to visit Thor in the gladiator pit, Thor can throw rocks through his body. He’s not physically present, he’s just a holographic image.
It's an exact molecular reconstruction though, they made sure to point the ability out this episode so it's possible to assume what we saw before was simply an illusion.
But then how does he lie dying in Thor's arms in Dark World. If he is just an image, he would have dissolved. Something interesting about illusion is the illusion of touch, so an exact molecular illusion would include the physical sensation.
It makes sense but I just don’t want to believe that the Loki we know from all the original movies, the Loki from Rarnarok and infinity war, would just abandon everything and everyone and try to screw everything up. That was the main Loki, the original Loki. If the original Loki is still alive that gives us no reason to root for the 2012 Loki variant. Variant Loki has replaced original Loki as the main Loki and in order for variant Loki to stay the main Loki, the original Loki has to be dead. I refuse to think original Loki didn’t actually get a redemption after Ragnarok. Sure, he will always be a trickster and you’ll never be able to trust him completely. But he still clearly cares about Thor and I really hope he wouldn’t just abandon Thor completely after they both just lost their entire people.
NGL, I’m rooting for Lady Loki. Well, rooting for Loki period. But she’s doing exactly what I wanted to happen basically as soon as e1 started (and as soon as e2?? NICE)
I think Mobeus is one of the timekeepers probably the one who he says looks fun. I only think this because how else would he keep getting the lady to keep signing off on all of his horrible plans or ideas
Did you guys notice the ‘Sylvie’ accreditation for Lady Loki in the credits at the end of the episode. Surely she must be Enchantress role playing as Lady Loki?
This theory is good but has two holes: 1. Whenever Loki duplicates himself his 'clone' is like a ghost, it doesn't have a mass, and Thos throwing things at him shows that meaning if Loki duplicated himself, Thanos' hand would go through his body when he reached to grab him. 2. In first episode in Loki's file when Thanos choked Loki and Thor hugged him it said "End of file", meaning that he really did die, because if he duplicated himself then the file would just keep going.
This Is a great theory but I still think it’s Enchantris j mean why would Loki keep the same clothes on and why is lady Loki a variant and how did she learn of the tva
The Time-Keepers can play their little game. I want the last scene of the season to be Mobius on a jetski, with the final shot being a close-up of his face just saying "wow".
This Loki didn’t have a timeline. In saying that I mean that the timeline where we see Loki die is still going and Loki is still going to die by Thanos and this variant Loki can’t change that unless he goes to that timeline and warns our Loki about what is going to happen
In ep 3 lady loki says that everyone from the TVA ( including mobius) were time variants so maybe mobius was a time variant that was brought to the TVA during the 90s which is why he is obsessed with that decade
It just seems so weird to be they chose Lady Loki to be blond like she's an Asgardian rather than black hair like Loki always is or even Lady Loki is in the comics. That seems like an interesting detail that might go somewhere. I definitely think there's something more to Loki dying at the hands of Thanos. That would give rise to the redemption of Loki. These two episodes have been showing how he's only a bad guy, and that's all he'll ever be, but in that moment he wanted to be good. That he doesn't always want to cause pain and suffering. He shed a tear over Ragnarok. Which I believe they said he started, but that's not the case because Thor and Hela did all that? But I might be mistaken. Seems odd. Lastly, Ravonna's origins are weird and I'm interested to see where they go with her and Kang. Since Kang will be in the Antman movie and manipulates timelines to achieve his goals. So I'm wondering if there aren't time keepers anymore and Kang has left Ravonna in charge to keep the timeline on track, so he comes out on top. Since Mobius said he has no idea how the timeline ends it makes sense Kang can't let them know that information, and that he might need to make adjustments to make sure he's always winning. With all the information classified and the only one who meets with the "Time keepers" is Ravonna I feel like it will go somewhere. I'm also wondering if the paper weight infinity stones will play a part in anything. I just don't have all the pieces yet to make anything of these thoughts, but there's a lot here in two episodes.
Since I saw Loki’s death I always thought “but couldn’t he have just duplicated himself? And why would he give up his life so easily? Also also if he’s grown and knows that Thor loves him, then why would he let Thanos kill him in front of Thor?” So yes, although it is a touching moment to show that Loki would give his life to save Thor, I think this is even better. Also cause that would mean Loki is still alive and who doesn’t want that?! Thanks for the amazing video SuperCarlinBrothers! 😊💚✨
Given that we learn that there have been many Loki variants, it's certainly not hard to imagine that at least one of them was a Loki that survived that encounter with Thanos- the method SCB describes might or might not be accurate, but the basic idea of that being our antagonist is certainly plausible.
I feel like what they did in Thor Ragnarok, was show us that when he duplicates himself, he is actually a holographic image. Like Thor throws stuff through him... So if he was a hologram of himself, Thanks wouldn't have been able to strangle him, as, like a ghost, he'd go right through him 🤔 And I think they did that on purpose. Show us the difference so we can see when it happened, that Loki did actually die.
As someone who grew up in Florida and was blessed enough to be able to regularly ride my family’s jet ski I just gotta say those are some memories I’ll keep forever. Jet ski’s really are awesome!
I just wanted to say 2 things. 1, I think the character they showed at the end of episode 2 is not actually Lady Loki but Enchantress. 2, You've gotta ride a jet ski. They're so fun.
Duplication casting is, in Loki's own words, "a holographic mirror". Things pass through him. He couldn't have done that with Thanos. Thanos's hand would have just passed through him.
One thing that's seems a tad off the file for ragnarok said "casualties 9719 (entire civilization annihilated)" but Thor and them saved all of them by putting them on the ship and then we see them again in Endgame. So maybe what happened in ragnarok wasn't supposed to happen
Lady Loki is bombing/erasing events that would lead the sacred timeline to the birth/creation of the Avengers and Key heroes of Endgame so that she can bring Thanos back....if the Avengers going back in time to get the infinity stones was suppose to happen...why do the Avengers get to meddle in time and Loki gets killed/erased?
Unless you fall into the group of people that believe if time is going in a loop and the avengers time travel was okay then Loki would always get away, get captured and at that point always be in the TVA. Lady Loki could be the first variant that went to the TVA and the reset happened making möbius forget everything. Which could explain why everyone wanted to kill him immediately
Love the interaction between Loki and Mobius! Loki playing his part at the TVA felt like I was watching a detective show and I can't wait to see what the consequences of this episode brings!
He didn't survive Infinity War... Not to have a closed mind, but the tape that hold Loki's entire life ends after he has is neck snapped. He could not still be alive. This was also before the apocalypse of the Asgardians, so if something funny happened, the TVA would know.
I think the idea is that Loki became a variant in that moment. Under all normal circumstances, Loki dies there, thus, his tape ends. But in this version of events, he does some magic stuff and doesn’t die. This makes him a variant, so TVA’s tape wouldn’t show anything afterwards, but because it’s an apocalyptic event, they don’t know he’s there. Personally, I don’t buy it, but it is a neat theory.
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Title: “Did Loki survive???”
First twelve minutes of the video: “Why does Mobius like Jet Skiis??”
Okay 😅😂
So they DO get around to the title. Fweew!
Gotta admit was a bit ridiculous how clickbaity the title is given how little of the video is about that
@@Benomaleno tbh I’m not surprised, J did a video on a lady Loki theory a day before episode 2 came out, barely talked about her
@@Benomaleno It's the easiest way to get views lol
Mobius likes jetskis because "I AM SPEED KACHOW"
My theory is that Mobius is a varient, who branched off from his orginal self in the 90s. This gives more meaning and motivation behind his soft spot for Loki. It also explains why he's so vague and doesn't have a number.
I thought the “Loki,” or big, bad villain of the series, was actually going to shed its hood to reveal a future Mobius who realized the TVA was full of malarkey. He then turned rogue and decided to take down the whole organization. I thought this because of all the talks he and Loki had that showed just how much Mobius was desensitized to the meaning of life and free will, instead being ruled by some all knowing force that he had never met. Maybe this Future Mobius had realized that there were no such people as the time keepers. It was just some people who discovered time travel and realized the importance/power they had found.
Plot-twist: Mobius is just Loki but way way way older
I kinda thought the same for all/most of the TVA being variants
@@austinclements4074 I considered it…but decided that I liked the idea of Loki destroying the sacred timeline much better than Mobius being the one to do it. (I’m not sure whether I like Mobius or not-one moment he’s sympathetic, the next he’s kinda gaslighting and making me hiss in Authoritarian Issues)
Also, he loves Josta. That was discontinued in 1999. This Mobius has two confirmed 1990s references. Not a coincidence.
Wandavision: everyone hoping for and expecting mephisto
Loki: please just give us Owen Wilson on a jet ski 😂
Imagine if Loki GAVE us Mephisto. Then a) everyone’s mind would be blown and b) everyone would laugh at themselves for expecting it in WandaVision. They will probably just give us nightmare but who knows???
@@VoidKing666 I feel like neither of those would make much sense in this series, a Kang reveal or set up feels much more likely
@@VoidKing666 they said that the Loki series isn't supposed to have a connection to multiverse of madness (but ofc they could be lying to us...)
@@VoidKing666 this was said a while baxk when the trailer came back but the devil (supposedly mepthisto) is in the back!!!
@@TheLilyGraceLife I know, it was (mostly) a joke. I followed all of the theories. But good job keeping up with them (there are so many 😅-I spent way too much time finding them all) Also on a scale of 1-10 how excited are you for ep. 4?
If Mobius doesn't get a jet ski at the end of the series, Disney has no mercy
FACT
If it does not happen, we riot
And if (and when) he gets a jet ski, he should say “wow!”
I can see it now. Series ends with Loki at the beach. Mobius rides by in a jet ski and Loki goes “wow”
@@waverider6302 the perfect finale
What I hope to see at the end of the series:
Mobius with a jet ski
Casey with a fish
Loki with some candy
LetThorandLokibetogetheragainpleaseforheavenssakejustletthembebrosagain
Mobius eating his salad
All of this and Mobius says wow at least once
Yes, give Mobius his jet ski and Loki his candy.
I'm laughing at the candy thing cause I'm rewatching Supernatural and that version of Loki is constantly eating candy!
If you’ve never ridden a jet ski, you wouldn’t know this: when you ride, you are NOT in complete control. Once you get up to speed, you are skimming the water’s surface and essentially hydroplaning across the lake. Of all the modes of transportation, jet skis are the one most in tune with “it’s chaos, and we try to make sense of control over that chaos”. Take that for what you will.
Like a rouge horse
Honestly can’t wait to hear Owen Wilson’s designated “wow”
They got Keanu Reeves to say "Whoa" for Toy Story 4. Anything's possible.
it’s gotta be like the post credit scene of the last episode of the season 😂
I'm honestly astonished that he didn't say it in the D.B. Cooper scene
@@guardian6788 Right?! That would have been the perfect time for it, because of how he did react.
Idk I was watching a show that had the Allstate man as God and he never once said that anyone was in good hands…he was G O D, it would’ve been SO easy to do and make it organic lol
SCB: Did Loki survive?
Me: *Don’t do that. Don’t give me hope*
This theory has a hole. We see that Loki's duplicates don't have mass. The running joke of Thor throwing things at him to see if he's really there shows us that. And as he says, 'holographic'. If that were a duplicate, Thanos would have reached out and his hand would have gone right through the duplicate.
While this is true, Lady Loki / Sylvie has also demonstrated abilities that Main Timeline and Variant Loki don't possess, such as consciousness transfer into a host. Variant Loki says hypnosis, but it's clearly more. Main Loki could only do this with aid of the Mind Stone, and that WAS just hypnosis. So it's not a stretch to believe that Lady Loki has other abilities Variant Loki does not. Yet... as it is magic, which can be taught.
@@prince_nocturne This further proves that Lady Loki is in fact not the Loki from Ragnarok and Thanos did in fact kill him. So again, the theory is flawed.
The way he explains duplication casting in the show makes it sound like an entirely separate ability, perhaps one that we've never seen him use for whatever reason. In the films, the ability we're familiar with that allows him to create projections of himself also clearly allows him to edit those projections (see the prison scene in thor 2) which doesn't sound like the perfect molecular copy that he describes in this episode.
@@prince_nocturne loki describes it as cowardly tho. he clearly knows what it is but he probably just doesn't use it as he thinks it is cowardly.
This ability isn't the same as his standard hologram illusion trick.
Their usage of outdated tech to me kind of played into the “they aren’t what they seem” mentality that’s been getting tossed around throughout the show. The 1984 thing definitely connects the dots.
Yes, I thought this too...but I had another theory which is that the more tech you have, the more likely you are to get hacked (think: Ultron), so perhaps they have decided the retro 80s tech is the most advanced they should get to prevent tech hacking??
Disney, please give us an alternative universe where Mobius is a talking race car.
Wait did u also comment that on new rockstars video
@@Kieran66 no but I did do it on film theory
In my original universe, he is.
No he should be a talking jet ski
@@YouHaveUno ye I think I seen it on that video as well lol
The Variant is Sylvie. She specifically says "Don't call me Loki". And the spanish dub credits of Loki has her as Sylvie not lady Loki. But I think the time keepers either are not real or are bad guys. Hence why Loki says "Bad guys are not always bad and good guys are not always good" (paraphrased lol)
She also says "you're me" to Loki, and has the same temproal aura as him. It's more likely that Lady Loki used Sylvie's body when she reicarnated and just prefers to go by that name.
@@im_living_dead Good theory. Can't wait for the next few episodes to find out!
And in Loki's file, her name is in there as Sylvie Lauyfeysdottir
@@im_living_dead she says don't call me loki cus loki isn't her name.
She's sylvie laufeydottir (daughter of laufey)
That would make her an alternate loki. They are both variants
@@stephsman51 what do you think of episode 3 i loved it so much details on what here powers are
Me: reads the title
Also me: Don't do that... don't give me hope...
But seriously tho I'm pretty sure it was confirmed that that Loki really is dead and gone
Mmmhmmmmmmmm
"The sun will shine on us again brother" - Loki
idk i just feel like he deserves a more glorious ending
@@SuperCarlinBrothers the problem is I don’t think this variant Loki is gonna go back to his timeline to know about this cuz I think they reset the timeline to a different Loki that doesn’t grab the tesseract and therefore doesn’t know about thanos killing him so he dies and Loki that grabbed the tesseract is just gonna kinda not have a place to be
This Loki is not exactly from the sacred Timeline, right? That means althou the Loki from the sacred timeline is das, this Loki can travel Into the sacred timeline. Especially during multiverse of madness. I Don't think this Loki has to live throu everything that happened in the sacred timeline to go back there.
The new show really makes me feel for Loki tbh- his entire existence is only to be terrible without a chance of redemption because it doesn’t fit the timeline
Yes,but being a variant,means he's free of his original purpose
He does kinda get redemption though in Thor Ragnarok and infinity war but he doesn't ever have a chance at a happy ending because some space lizards decided it was so.
I feel like that's what the TVA wants you to think. Really what Loki is is mischief, chaos, disorder and most importantly freedom which are all things the TVA doesnt want. Hence all Lokis end up being typecast as bad guys instead of chaotic people.
I think the timekeepers are dead as Mobius says he has never seen them before. The TVA is maintaining the current timeline removing variants to stop branches. The goal of female loki is to create a multiverse of madness which would then lead into Dr Strange attempting to fix the timeline.
Also I think Thanos did kill that Loki as that is the proper timeline. His death motivates Thor to make Stormbreaker and continue fighting Thanos.
Sure, but Thor also says he's been dead before, though he thinks this time is for real. That still leaves room for having him survive or come back.
Big Plot hole in this theory: Thor totally survives the Asgardian Ship explosion after he falls to the floor and clutches Lokis dead body, and he would be found by the Guardians regardless so there would still be somebody who knows.
Right? People just need to accept that female Loki is a variant who clearly has some history with the TVA.
Plus Loki's duplicates can't be interacted with. Which means Thanos couldn't have grabbed him to kill him.
@@Joe-vd2ec if you don’t like theories, why did you come to a theory video
@@MontgomeryWenis They can be interacted with. See Thor 2. Loki left the duplicate body there. Thor interacted with it. The soldiers interacted with it as well. It was because a body was found that the Asgardians "knew" Loki was dead.
@@jacqueleenjordan9817 correct
Can we all agree that Owen Wilson is Mephisto?
PRETTY OBVIOUS
Seriously we haven’t even seen Mephisto in the MCU yet and I’m already sick of him.....
@@carolinedisalvatore9768 If they ever make an MCU Ghost Rider movie, he'll be a huge part of it.
@@picturebreakdown what’s a fish
@@SuperCarlinBrothers I see Professor Lockhart has entered the chat.
One has to think that Ravonna's other agent is a certain Mr Nathaniel Richards, better known by the name of Kang the Conqueror. The two almost always appear side by side in the comics.
The end of the last episode was so good. It was so action packed and when many branches started appearing i could feel the anxiety rising.
SAME!
Hes an analyst not the "hunters" in the TVA which means he is probably not assigned an number like that
But still the judge lady he’s reporting to isn’t a hunter either and she has a number
Does Casey have a #? I can't remember...
@@cookieandme23 ya she's a judge now and was a hunter that's why u see her grab the baton
The jet ski magazine could’ve arrived in the TVA on an arrested variant. That’s how all the paperweight infinity stones got there.
Ok, did anyone else notice, that Ben was right. As in Mobius being taken from somewhere. He's a variant! And probably from the nineties.
“It was Mystique all along!!”
I know that likely won’t happen in this show or anytime soon but seriously I can’t wait for the Mystique theories
Yes!!!!
YES
Look I think I'm not the only one who thinks this, but lady Loki's horns (or at least her unbroken one) are disappointingly short.
I knowww rightt, It's laughably short
@@sethmp333 that does make sense, but she could have transformed into a better horned looking Loki.
Like Loki she can likely change what they look like. We see loki with at least two lengths of horn.
Well, Variant Loki is superior, remember ?!
@@damesayo4656 both are variants, which one . Clearly lady Loki seems superior and ruthless
Random fun fact:
Most people know that Eugene and Rapunzel from tangled have the largest couple age gap (Eugene being 25-26 and Rapunzel being 18) *BUT*
Milo from Atlantis is 32 years old when the movie takes place, He falls in love with Kida who is 8,500-8,800 years old. So… **cough**
THE AGE DIFFERENCE IS AT MOST 8,768 YEARS!!!!!
Are you implying a MobKi? I'm ready to ship that.
😝😝😝
Theory for you. This is from my 10 year old daughter, Charlotte, after we binged infinity war, end game, and Loki in one weekend. Were the Avengers supposed to lose? In Infinity War, Dr. Strange looked at 14 million possible futures and the avengers only win in one of them. But, the TVA in Loki says that Loki picking up the space stone was not supposed to happen. If Loki had not picked up the stone, Tony would not have gone to the 1970s and talked with his father, and may not have been in a state to sacrifice himself. More importantly, if Loki had not picked up the stone they would have been in a different one of the 14 million possibilities that Dr Strange looked at, so they would have ultimately lost. That means that either the TVA is making stuff up as they go, or the avengers were supposed to lose to 2014 Thanos had the original timeline been maintained. Also, LOVE Super Carlin Brothers, you guys are awesome. My daughter and I love watching your videos.
I think this whole Dr. Strange 14 million possibilities thing was ill conceived. They really shot themselves in the foot especially since they knew they were working towards time travel and multiverse stuff. It just makes literally no sense that only one possible timeline would result in victory anyway given that any character in any movie choosing to breathe at a slightly different time could be considered a separate "timeline." Now we're actually seeing multiple different timelines that are both probably going to lead to victory unless the mcu switches up their time travel theory.
I feel as though this is how Loki will end, with the time keepers realising that this should be the proper timeline - where Loki survives and the Avengers win against Thanos, hence allowing Loki to go back into the MCU
@@Slink1701 I feel like it wasn't just winning for their timeline, but winning in every timeline. Strange saw that future as the victory for every timeline, say for instance the timeline which never had Thanos after 2014. That means Strange also spared that alternate timeline from having Thanos gain any of the stones to begin with, thus reversing the snap in his timeline, and outright preventing it in another
But in the first episode when Loki blames The Avengers Judge Renslayer says they were supposed to do that
@@strifenineteen I believe this is his point they only did what they did, in part, because Loki stole the tesseract. So the the question is how what they did could be meant to happen if what Loki did is not.
Marvel need to let Casey have a trip to earth with Loki guiding him
Take him to the aquarium
Really, the "M" in Mobius M Mobius should really stand for "Mobius M Mobius" because that's the funnest solution.
That is PURE GENIUS!
It's called a recursive acronym. GNU in Linux stands for "GNU's not linux" or cURL which stands for "Curl URL Request Library".
There's a similar existing joke for Benoit B. Mandlebrot.
Mobius Mobius M Mobius Mobius
RIP in peace
Fun theory:
There’s a theory that suggests that the tva is in the quantum realm.
Here is why it is thought so:
1. In ant man and the wasp features a small city in the distance/background
2. The tva has to time travel to make sure the timeline stays on track, and how do you time travel in the mcu? Through the quantum realm
3. Mobius states that time moves differently in the tva, just as the quantum realm moves differently in the mcu
Problem with your theories is that The Avengers used the quantum realm for time travel while TVA uses time portals outside the quantum realm. Time is different in quantum realm but it has equivalent (1 year = 1 hour in QR) while TVA has no time equivalent whatsoever. The city you're talking about is Chronopolis, but TVA is in the null time zone, not in the QR.
@@asuszenfone7926 wow, you know your stuff. Just thought it was a fun theory, but wow, again you know your stuff. Well, thanks for educating me!
@@mynameisphillipiamapoet2682 Youre the first theorist to back down so quickly. But thats cool cuz the opposition makes sense
I'll just add that in the comics, the Quantum Realm is also refereed to as the Microverse. There are cities within it, but Chronopolis is not one of them. There is zero confirmation that the city seen in the MCU was Chronopolis. It is nothing but a fan theory.
But, with that being said, most of the residents of the Microverse and the Microverse itself are owned by Hasbro. So, I can't really say for certain what the MCU is doing with the city in the Quantum Realm. Though, they have struck deals with Hasbro in the past. Which could lead to the introduction of the Micronauts.
@@Deception975 We're talking about the MCU and Marvel has ways of changing the movies/series from the source material.
Crazy Theory in the Dark: Mobius M. Mobius is a Time Keeper in disguise.
Good theory
I thought the same thing. He claims he haven't met them, which would still be true if he is them.
So undercover boss
@@MaverickMyth well I mean...didnt they work together to make the sacred timeline?
Based on Episode 3, it is most likely that Mobius is just a variant of the original Mobius (Who I'm guessing was obsessed with riding jet skis)
When Disney puts a series out I get excited because that just means we get tons of theories from you guys, love it.
Yeah but lately they barely talk about the theory, they talk about everything else besides the theory be ause they need the videos to be a certain length so they can put in mid role and end role adds
@@lordvika2526 I don’t really see it that way but maybe I just enjoy it so much I don’t notice it.
@@teonyi Well look at it this way, the video was supposed to be a theory about how Loki could have survived Thanos.
Yet they spent the first 10-12 minutes of a 15 minute video talking about Mobius and a bunch of his stuff, which had nothing to do with the title of the video. Then threw in like 1-2 minutes actually about the video topic and the rest of the video was the sponser stuff.
So we only got about 2 minutes about what the video was actually about.
@@lordvika2526 It was all loosely related to the theory. What are you talking about?
@@Marpen1980-Live nothing about mobius was related to the theory....because it was loki that came up with the idea of hiding in earth changing events.
At best they could have included the times he was talking to mobius about that stuff and the stuff about how he creates a projection of himself which was actually about the theory, but the whole 10 minutes about him and his love of jet skis had absolutely nothing to do with the theory in the title.
Basically they needed to pad their video length to get the options for as many ads as they could so they included a bunch of nonsense about mobius that had nothing to do with the title. To take from Th3 Birdman "they padding their video"
The designs aren't as nice in newer jetskis. In the 90's, they were gorgeous and powerful enough. Today's jetskis are more utilitarian than beautiful
I was just about to say they were uber popular in the 90’s and a lot of my friends go out of their way to purchase ski’s that still run well from that era
@@troysaxon8740 a buddy of mine just dropped 3k on a jetski from the nineties that I'm helping him fix up. The lines are gorgeous, the paint job needs to be rethought, all neon stripes and slashes lol
My thought on the "trophies". When the nexus timeline is erased, he takes something. Doesn't matter bc it will get destroyed anyway. This act of taking something wouldn't effect or create a nexus.
Yes, but did he knew about that before Loki told him ?
@@damesayo4656 Loki didn't tell him that.
Wait, so doesn’t Lady Loki kinda *have* to accomplish her goal for Dr.Strange: Multiverse of Madness to happen? Or do you think there will be a plot-twist so that it’s the same outcome, but how they get there is in a “different” way than expected?
Baba boey
I agree that Lady Loki wants to enable free will and start a mulitverse, but I'm not sure about Loki surviving Thanos. I think the TVA would have noticed.
We’ll technically the Og Loki is dead but 2012 Loki can jump to the current timeline and be alive even tho he’s dead
The thing with doing anything in the apocalyptic situation is, it can’t too big. For example, you can stab someone in Pompeii cuz they gonna die anyway, but if you decapitate everyone in Pompeii, that’ll affect the archeological findings substantially later on in the future.
Me: Oh, that confirms that Loki died in Infinity War!
SCB: no.
Yes, he did. Whether he STAYS dead by the end of the series remains to be seen.
Loki can canonically enthrall people in addition to changing their appearance. Who’s to say Loki didn’t do that (or will). His reaction is someone who’s seen their own death. He also showed a determination to Beat It-and I don’t think it was Just For Himself. Look how he reacts to Frigga’s Death and his reconciliation with Thor and his people. His grief at Asgard’s Destruction and how many DIED because of it
So, who’s to say that he didn’t/won’t have someone In on his scheme against Thanos and against the Time Gatekeepers who chooses to sacrifice himself/let Loki puppet them to make it even more convincing-with the expectation that Loki WILL put an end to what destroyed them, even if he can’t bring them back in an alternate reality.
It adds more weight to “the sun will shine on us again,” anyway…which I’m Sorry rings more like a vow or prophesy than “welp, see ya in Valhalla Maybe”
I wonder if they're going to follow more closely with the comic origin of Lady Loki, where, after _he_ dies in Ragnarok, his soul is reincarnated into a female body. The Lady Loki we are seeing in the show could be the _exact same Loki_ who died in Infinity War. After he died at the hands of Thanos, his _soul_ was reincarnated into the body of Sophia Di Martino, and that's who we are seeing in the show. In other words, Lady Loki is the "true" Loki (whose story we've watched through the MCU), while the 'main-character-to-the-show' Loki is merely a variant from an alternate timeline (when he escaped in Endgame). Although that doesn't answer the question of what Lady Loki's motive is for bombing the timeline... because the main MCU timeline "dead" Loki was more hero than villain, and I can't really imagine him being so callous when killing the minutemen. Unless he/she knows something we don't, like maybe the minutemen are lifeless husks or robots or that the TVA is evil or something along those lines. All of this seems unlikely for Marvel to do, but I personally think it makes more sense (and would be more fun) than "she's just a female version from another timeline where Laufey had a daughter instead of a son." What do y'all think?
@@levilaxton2247 Was thinking the same thing
The MF is a God who survived Hulk's smash.
How has no one else noticed when like “dried himself off” could have made a clone of himself
Why? That feels so random?? Loki just dried himself. If there was a clone, then where did it/the original Loki even go? And why would Loki have not done this before to.. idk.. stop Thanos from choking him?
Mobius's affection for jet skis is similar to Loki's insistence that chocolate fountains are a Midgardian myth, too good to be true.
I liked the first episode of Loki, but the second sold me on the series. Ever since Shrek 2 I've become entrenched in the "Holding out for a Hero makes every action scene better" camp.
Yes!! 😂
I like how every time you guys post a theory I always think to myself, this is ridiculous. Then by the time I’m done with the video this seems like a perfectly logical explanation of things to come
If anyone thought Loki survived that Thanos crunch in Infinity War, him coming up to the screen in the first episode and turning pale and wide-eyed as he watches should have been enough of a clarification. That's not the face of a man watching himself cleverly escape, that's the face of a man watching himself die. And if _anyone_ would notice any funny business, _he_ would. Not to mention the TVA - a _hilariously_ powerful interuniversal investigative agency - marked that moment as the End Of File for Loki.
Yes they can always use time travel to retcon that later, but as of right now that death is real, and retconning it would cheapen it. Every other time there was always some mitigating circumstance for Loki. Infinity War was clearly meant to be for real.
I think Loki wanted to go to Valhalla and The only way would be dying in battle. But maybe He becomes King of the underworld.
Since I didn't see this:
Jet Ski is brand name of a personal water craft manufactured by Kawasaki. It just became a general term for any kind of personal watercraft.
Kawasaki released stand up Jet Ski with twin motors and underwater rotors in 1992. In 2003 SX-R was released which was criticized for lacking the playfulness of previous models.
So, no. They don't make better Jet Skis after the nineties. Also, this was directly from Wikipedia, so take this info with some reservation
Thank you for this
They're also called bombardiers or sea-doos, depending on where you're from or who you buy from, iirc. If the jet ski topic is important, Mobius using regional or cultural jargon could reveal who he was/is.
I loved Loki’s Latin spiel. Idk why, but it just tickled me that he’s fluent in Latin. Also, his whole “nothing matters!” As he’s throwing stuff in the air just… I just loved that. 😄
Questions about TVA members' origin and the jet ski magazine are spot on. Sylvie prediction was also kind of accurate. You guys are good.
Loki just made my exact point when infinity war came out. Loki is the trickster god, there is no way he was truly dead. I hope with lady Loki they fix the continuity error of Loki being hel’s (hela to marvel) parent along with the world serpent, Odin horse and fenrir (the one from Thor ragnarok, not Harry Potter)
“Don’t give me hope…”
-Clint Barton, 2023
*peeks around corner*
The variant is most definitely Sylvie.
*runs back around the corner*
In the spanish dub credits, she is listed as Sylvie!
Yeah. Was going to comment that.
Although apart from that, the theory does track.
@@sezzac155 oh i wasn't trying to say it isn't a good theory. Just that quibble
i swear if i hear one more person go off spanish subtitles for this theory i will lose my mind. she literally says to loki "you're me", and they have the same temporal aura. lady loki could just be using sylvie's body/was reincarnated as her
@@im_living_dead well sylvie is a creation of loki. so technically her saying that "you're me" doesn't mean that she's isn't sylvie. she also doesn't want to be called loki. the credits aren't the only sign that point to this *possibly* being sylvie.
Loki’s duplication casting casts holographic duplicates of himself. He doesn’t actually create a physical body double. That’s why I’m Ragnarok when he casts a duplicate of himself to visit Thor in the gladiator pit, Thor can throw rocks through his body. He’s not physically present, he’s just a holographic image.
It's an exact molecular reconstruction though, they made sure to point the ability out this episode so it's possible to assume what we saw before was simply an illusion.
But then how does he lie dying in Thor's arms in Dark World. If he is just an image, he would have dissolved. Something interesting about illusion is the illusion of touch, so an exact molecular illusion would include the physical sensation.
"how did he do it?"
the same way he did it the 8 other times he faked his death, jesus
If the show doesnt end with Mobius on a jetski saying wow then what's the point
It makes sense but I just don’t want to believe that the Loki we know from all the original movies, the Loki from Rarnarok and infinity war, would just abandon everything and everyone and try to screw everything up. That was the main Loki, the original Loki. If the original Loki is still alive that gives us no reason to root for the 2012 Loki variant. Variant Loki has replaced original Loki as the main Loki and in order for variant Loki to stay the main Loki, the original Loki has to be dead.
I refuse to think original Loki didn’t actually get a redemption after Ragnarok. Sure, he will always be a trickster and you’ll never be able to trust him completely. But he still clearly cares about Thor and I really hope he wouldn’t just abandon Thor completely after they both just lost their entire people.
Episode 5 of Loki might've just confirmed the theories.
NGL, I’m rooting for Lady Loki. Well, rooting for Loki period. But she’s doing exactly what I wanted to happen basically as soon as e1 started (and as soon as e2?? NICE)
Lady Loki, is kind of the hero.
I have never watched the Tour de France, but even I got that that was a Lance Armstrong slam.
I think Mobeus is one of the timekeepers probably the one who he says looks fun. I only think this because how else would he keep getting the lady to keep signing off on all of his horrible plans or ideas
Plot twist: Mobius’s jetski is a transformer and protects the sacred timeline.
As a jet ski enthusiast i would just like to point out that the 90s had the best jet skiis purely because thats when i got to ride one.
Title: Loki survived!
Video: Mobius is from the 90s!
I think that "Lady Loki" is actually the Norse Goddess Freyja who was supposed to die early on in the sacred time line but somehow managed to survive
Lady loki looks a lot like Lorelei. Really missed a casting there i think.
Did you guys notice the ‘Sylvie’ accreditation for Lady Loki in the credits at the end of the episode. Surely she must be Enchantress role playing as Lady Loki?
new perspective on this because of episode 5
These videos always help me love the show even more (& not just Loki but everything SCB covers)
This theory is good but has two holes:
1. Whenever Loki duplicates himself his 'clone' is like a ghost, it doesn't have a mass, and Thos throwing things at him shows that meaning if Loki duplicated himself, Thanos' hand would go through his body when he reached to grab him.
2. In first episode in Loki's file when Thanos choked Loki and Thor hugged him it said "End of file", meaning that he really did die, because if he duplicated himself then the file would just keep going.
Yes, I agree!
Unless he tricked the system completely, hes the god of mischief he can trick anyone and anything
15:06 Did you say Time Lords by accident, because that's a whole other crossover.
That's what pretty much everyone calls them because it rolls off the tongue better and we're used to the term.
This Is a great theory but I still think it’s Enchantris j mean why would Loki keep the same clothes on and why is lady Loki a variant and how did she learn of the tva
The Time-Keepers can play their little game. I want the last scene of the season to be Mobius on a jetski, with the final shot being a close-up of his face just saying "wow".
This Loki didn’t have a timeline. In saying that I mean that the timeline where we see Loki die is still going and Loki is still going to die by Thanos and this variant Loki can’t change that unless he goes to that timeline and warns our Loki about what is going to happen
Hi supercarlinbrothers! Good job on calling it on lady Loki!
Our Loki? No
Some random Loki? Yes or atleast he escaped thanks def not the multiverse swat
In ep 3 lady loki says that everyone from the TVA ( including mobius) were time variants so maybe mobius was a time variant that was brought to the TVA during the 90s which is why he is obsessed with that decade
It just seems so weird to be they chose Lady Loki to be blond like she's an Asgardian rather than black hair like Loki always is or even Lady Loki is in the comics. That seems like an interesting detail that might go somewhere.
I definitely think there's something more to Loki dying at the hands of Thanos. That would give rise to the redemption of Loki. These two episodes have been showing how he's only a bad guy, and that's all he'll ever be, but in that moment he wanted to be good. That he doesn't always want to cause pain and suffering. He shed a tear over Ragnarok. Which I believe they said he started, but that's not the case because Thor and Hela did all that? But I might be mistaken. Seems odd.
Lastly, Ravonna's origins are weird and I'm interested to see where they go with her and Kang. Since Kang will be in the Antman movie and manipulates timelines to achieve his goals. So I'm wondering if there aren't time keepers anymore and Kang has left Ravonna in charge to keep the timeline on track, so he comes out on top. Since Mobius said he has no idea how the timeline ends it makes sense Kang can't let them know that information, and that he might need to make adjustments to make sure he's always winning. With all the information classified and the only one who meets with the "Time keepers" is Ravonna I feel like it will go somewhere.
I'm also wondering if the paper weight infinity stones will play a part in anything.
I just don't have all the pieces yet to make anything of these thoughts, but there's a lot here in two episodes.
Since I saw Loki’s death I always thought “but couldn’t he have just duplicated himself? And why would he give up his life so easily? Also also if he’s grown and knows that Thor loves him, then why would he let Thanos kill him in front of Thor?” So yes, although it is a touching moment to show that Loki would give his life to save Thor, I think this is even better. Also cause that would mean Loki is still alive and who doesn’t want that?! Thanks for the amazing video SuperCarlinBrothers! 😊💚✨
Loki isn't thinking too small, i mean he literally wants to control the sacred timeline, but he IS thinking too predictably
Given that we learn that there have been many Loki variants, it's certainly not hard to imagine that at least one of them was a Loki that survived that encounter with Thanos- the method SCB describes might or might not be accurate, but the basic idea of that being our antagonist is certainly plausible.
Don’t do that... don’t give me hope
THE SHOW GIVES US HOPE
@@SuperCarlinBrothers YESSSS
I feel like what they did in Thor Ragnarok, was show us that when he duplicates himself, he is actually a holographic image. Like Thor throws stuff through him... So if he was a hologram of himself, Thanks wouldn't have been able to strangle him, as, like a ghost, he'd go right through him 🤔
And I think they did that on purpose. Show us the difference so we can see when it happened, that Loki did actually die.
Episode 5 of the loki show confirmed it: Classic Loki variant did survive Thanos killing his illusion projection.
As someone who grew up in Florida and was blessed enough to be able to regularly ride my family’s jet ski I just gotta say those are some memories I’ll keep forever. Jet ski’s really are awesome!
One of the TVA office workers at the end of episode 2 of Loki looks like the piano teacher from WandaVision
I noticed that, my brother does not believe me
Just watched episode 3, I think now he is the variant of that piano teacher
Ep 2 was way more epic than I expected.
The 90s were great, weren't they? I'd never want to be that young again though.
I just wanted to say 2 things. 1, I think the character they showed at the end of episode 2 is not actually Lady Loki but Enchantress. 2, You've gotta ride a jet ski. They're so fun.
That moment when your so early and you don’t even care that you haven’t watched the show
Duplication casting is, in Loki's own words, "a holographic mirror". Things pass through him. He couldn't have done that with Thanos. Thanos's hand would have just passed through him.
Hey SCB!! Excited to watch!
“And, this could totally be a reach-“
*Bit too late for that, Ben. XD*
me: *sees the title*
don’t do that. don’t give me hope.
That yellow bar at the bottom of screen is SUCH a nice touch during ad reads. Big respek.
Dude probably uses 30% of the filming time moving the chair back and forth.
One thing that's seems a tad off the file for ragnarok said "casualties 9719 (entire civilization annihilated)" but Thor and them saved all of them by putting them on the ship and then we see them again in Endgame. So maybe what happened in ragnarok wasn't supposed to happen
That part gave me pause too!
Love the Carlin’s thanks for being the best tubers on the PLANET.
Carlins*
Born and raised in Minnesota, land of 10,000 lakes, and yeah jet skis are fuggin awesome.
Its probably not Lady Loki tho, she might be Enchantress since her name is actually Sylvie.
1984 is literally everywhere. It's such an amazingly influential book.
Lady Loki is bombing/erasing events that would lead the sacred timeline to the birth/creation of the Avengers and Key heroes of Endgame so that she can bring Thanos back....if the Avengers going back in time to get the infinity stones was suppose to happen...why do the Avengers get to meddle in time and Loki gets killed/erased?
Unless you fall into the group of people that believe if time is going in a loop and the avengers time travel was okay then Loki would always get away, get captured and at that point always be in the TVA. Lady Loki could be the first variant that went to the TVA and the reset happened making möbius forget everything. Which could explain why everyone wanted to kill him immediately
Love the interaction between Loki and Mobius! Loki playing his part at the TVA felt like I was watching a detective show and I can't wait to see what the consequences of this episode brings!
He didn't survive Infinity War... Not to have a closed mind, but the tape that hold Loki's entire life ends after he has is neck snapped. He could not still be alive. This was also before the apocalypse of the Asgardians, so if something funny happened, the TVA would know.
I think the idea is that Loki became a variant in that moment. Under all normal circumstances, Loki dies there, thus, his tape ends. But in this version of events, he does some magic stuff and doesn’t die. This makes him a variant, so TVA’s tape wouldn’t show anything afterwards, but because it’s an apocalyptic event, they don’t know he’s there.
Personally, I don’t buy it, but it is a neat theory.
Unless we presume the tape is purely a record of how his life should play out, rather than an actual depiction of his life currently
They completely missed the opportunity to make Tom Hiddleston a Loki variant (where they show all the lokis) and I am so mad about that
We’ll see.