LOKI: How Timelines Work + Why AVENGERS Aren't on Trial? | Everything EXPLAINED | Marvel BREAKDOWN
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Loki’s first episode does a great job setting up the series, but leaves us with a few questions. Mostly: how the heck do timelines work in the MCU, and why aren’t the Avengers on trial? We break down how multiple realities work in the Marvel cinematic universe, and how it will affect Phase 4 movie forward. Why was it okay for Captain America to swipe an infinity stone and live out his life with Peggy, but poor Loki is turned into a prisoner with a job?
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I know the yo momma joke is coming but it catches me off guard every time😂
same
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yer mom
@@tristanjacobbatulanon5862 nice
I understand why he'd do the occasional video where he DOESN'T have the "yer mom" joke, but it still makes me sad every time I get to the end of a video and there hasn't been one.
i think even Loki would be aversive of "yo mama" jokes...all things considered ...
I’m a fan of the theory that the Loki variants will end up being the heroes. The TVA’s “sacred timeline” logic sounded a bit too much like Loki’s “freedom is the greatest illusion” speech…
that's why they want loki's help, because they share the same overarching vision
Not only that, but the TVA is literally scrubbing (killing) entire universes with who knows how many lives because of 1 variant, that's just plain evil. Seeing how they treated and even killed other variants in the TVA like they are nothing makes Thanos look like a saint. And having a "soul scanner" makes it even worse. They are basically space Nazis. I really want to see their destruction.
I want to know was a reset loki put back in the Avengers lobby so that the events transpire as they were supposed to?
good prediction
Like they inprisoned time itself
Woah. Now I’m convinced the TVA will be destroyed by the end of the season and that will lead us down the path to Spiderverse, Multiverse of Madness and Secret Wars.
that's what i was thinking because the way the tva were talking about themselves, it really sounded like there was no possibility of multiple universes
@@kingdon3719 they actually seem to be the villains tbh. They are basically removing free will...
True
Rewatching it miss minutes mentions that if the timeline isn’t maintained. It will result in a multiverse. And ultimately madness. 👀
She said they restructured the timeline so there is only one.. There can still be a "multiverse" but will only 1 timeline across it..
What about the 2014 timeline, where Thanos's entire army just doesn't exist anymore? How's the TVA supposed to deal with that?
Good point
They shut up and pretend it didn't happen because the writers did not think about that and introduced time travel in their story which NEVER goes smoothly and always creates paradoxes.
im assuming after steve returned the stones, which is the main danger of the multiverse, the TVA just used the reset devices, but this would mean gamora isnt supposed to exist in the “main” universe yet shes there so there’s that
That was suppose to happen.
they literally switched timelines just to almost instantly die, they didn't take any stones with them, just the hopes to catch some, and time traveling alone doesn't necessarily makes you a variant, so I doubt the TVA would care much about that
The Sacred Timeline is more of a rope than a circle. The timeline has to be a little bit flexible, and among other things, this is why the TVA is needed. The Avengers were supposed to get the space stone, but Loki messed it up. In response, a split was created where they go to the 70s. That split (going to the 70s) now becomes a part of the sacred timeline, and the original timeline a branch that gets clipped, effectively turning it into a loop. It has to exist still, because otherwise there is no impetus for the Avengers to go the 70s-it's a part of Steve and Tony's timeline. The stones then got returned to their proper times, so nothing else splits.
This suggests, that in order to balance itself, the sacred timeline is filled with little recursive loops and rejoining branches that sync back up with it in order to keep the consistency. There would be a loop in 2012 that gets closed when the space stone gets returned, and a branch that splits in 2014 then rejoins the Sacred Timeline in 2023 when Thanos travels forward. There has to be to preserve the timeline that led to these events in the first place.
Tldr: the sacred timeline cannot be 1 linear timeline due to time shenanigans that are allowed.
Damn that makes sense... very nice!
and it isn't. The Sacred Timeline is all timelines that don't lead to another Kang being created.
To point out Deadpool has Cables Time Machine, so Deadpool is variant since he still has that Time Machine.
I've been saying this since the first trailer brother 👊
but he doesn't have an infinity stone
Time travelling doesn't necessarily make u a variant. Loki didn't time travel.
No
Deadpool isn't apart of the MCU. (At the time of deadpool2) Fox's time travel rules have nothing to do at all with Disney's time travel rules. Learn your nerd talk noob.
Everyone thinks that Thanos wanted to kill half the people but no guys, he just had way too much paperwork and wouldn't settle for cheap paperweights!
Yes but he got mad that everyone tried to take his fancy expensive paperweights so he killed half the universe
@@jacoba7276 If only he had big brain like ours
The thing I don’t get about Thanos, is why didn’t he just create infinite resources?
@@fourlightsorchestra because that doesn’t fix over population lol
@@antoniogoralski2930 it does, dimwit
Based on the ending of the first episode and how the minute men talked about it I'm pretty sure using time machines recklessly without covering your tracks and clipping the branches you created would also make you a variant
DR Who.....
I’m with you. I don’t think it’s JUST the removal of the infinity stones, it’s just time manipulation (that isn’t supposed to happen) in general. Like the Goldman Sachs dude, for example. Very very unlikely he got his hands on an infinity stone.
I watched Loki and realised When Loki was looking at the stones it only had 2 souls stones… meaning BW & Gamora ???
Didn't Ms. Minutes explain that it can be something as simple as getting into work late?
@@doomqkklr4690 Most likely a coincidence. The first set of stones used by Thanos were destroyed and the second set of stones were put pack in their original spots. Those events were part of the sacred timeline so the stones wouldn't be confiscated by the TVA.
I got to say it, Ryan Arey is just wonderful to watch. He has humility and understands the viewers. When he narrates or explains, he has something that other RUclipsrs who pun and one line will never have, A soul.
Unlike your mom.
What!!
Not to mention the editing is top tier
@@BigMikeMcBastard man i was gonna say that
I watched Loki and realised When Loki was looking at the stones it only had 2 souls stones… meaning BW & Gamora ???
10:59 it looks like he is talking with Natasha's soul trapped on vorimir
That’s what thought too.
@@fourlightsorchestra exactly, it looks exactly like her. then again loki is a shape shifter so maybe its lady loki looking like nat
@@zainelsayed9007 the painful part is waiting a week to see and find out more!
@@fourlightsorchestra just hope its a week they’ll reveal it in next week’s episode and not a later one
@@zainelsayed9007 I just saw a thing where Tom Hiddleston said he was most excited for people to see episodes 3 and 4. I have a feeling a lot will be revealed then. Do you know how many episodes they’re doing?
My real fave part is how he always finds a nice little segue into the ad.
Y'know "clipping the branches" (putting the Infinity Stones back where they're "supposed" to be) doesn't mean severe damage isn't done. Look at the alternate-2014....sure Thanos & his entire army are dead, but Gamora isn't there...does this mean there's a good chance that Ego takes over the Universe...unless he never learns about Star-Lord cuz they never battle Ronan which is how he found out about him. IDK...it seems like "Loki" is making the already complicated time travel even MORE complicated.
What about timelines changed WITHOUT Infinity Stones in the MCU? The Runaways & SHIELD both stopped apocalyptic futures from happening. Also thanks to SHIELD (& the Chronicoms) there's a whole new timeline where several Hydra people (both Malicks & Garrett) & Jiaying are dead. Plus Daisy doesnt get to be born since Jiaying is dead. With Daisy so heavily involved in multiple savings of Earth, wouldn't Deke's new job of running SHIELD in this timeline be really, REALLY hard??
@@rockybalboa1653 Agents of Shield isn't MCU canon. The movies and series started sharing universes only after Disney+. This is why Phil Coulson is still dead in the MCU movies. Agents of Shield probably exists in a seperate reality from the MCU.
Ego will still find Star Lord even without knowing about his battle with Ronan. The Ravagers were still going to betray Yondu and hand Star Lord over to Ego like they were supposed to do back in 1988. Once Ego has him, then yes, he will still take over the universe.
Also, since Gamora left the 2014 timeline with Thanos, it created an alternate reality where Guardians of the Galaxy 1 and 2, Infinity War, and Endgame never happened.
@@amogharsekar1488 I refuse to believe just cuz Feige wasn't personally involved with those show, that automatically means they don't exist. Coulson was the 1 who provided that Helicarrier to Fury in Age of Ultron cuz at that point Fury had nothing.
In my mind, just cuz it's not said outright, doesn't mean it didnt happen. For all we know, Daisy Johnson, Iron Fist, and Cloak & Dagger could've come out of 1 of those million portals in Endgame. Tony Stark didnt concern himself with every potential hero, so of course we wouldnt see him in Daredevil or Runaways.
**Plus Edwin Jarvis, who started out on Agent Carter, was in Endgame. Technically, it doesn't prove 1 way or the other...but it's something to consider.
**For all we know Tony only cracked time travel thru the Quantum Realm/Microverse cuz Fitz already did...Tony just perfected it.
@@loudboy317 So best-case scenario for alternate 2014 is: Ronan kinda stops looking for the Orb without Thanos to give him directions. Peter might still end up with Groot/Rocket. They sell the Orb, piss off Yondu, they turn Peter over to Ego, then Ego kills the Universe (I would say Thanos included but he's already dead). I sure hope the TVA still gets involved.
I can’t listen past the idea that removing a stone makes you a variant, When Miss Minutes literally says it can be over little things. Not to mention I don’t think the guy who gets eradicated, for not taking a ticket, stole a stone. The ancient one mentions taking stones creates branches. Perhaps having taken the stones created the TVA in the future. Since Loki broke off. I’m thinking everything exploded from Loki’s small gesture. Various timelines where infinity stones are stolen and taken by other people. Since the TVA has been chasing Loki for a while and somehow he just got there.
Yeah every video this channel has made about this has been insanely inaccurrate
I'm confused, how did loki even "remove" an infinity stone from the timeline? He just teleported away with it.
@@kuusakat1308 he wasn’t supposed to teleport away because later in endgame the avengers would come back for the stone and since loki took it they can’t do that and that creates a different timeline
I would like to see the explanation for how the different versions of Lokis that cause problems exist to begin with if there's supposed to only be one timeline.
I think sacred time line is more kind of a rope than a string.... already there is multiverse, it's beginning and ending is predetermined. Whenever there forms a branch it cause TVA to interfere. So lady Loki maybe from an alternative timeline. Even though this one we know is a variant, there might be an original lady Loki in that particular time line.
@@ronantheaccuser1481 so everyone from the same universe has their own sacred timeline in a way
After watching the first episode of Loki: in Endgame, Dr. Strange saw many outcomes and yet he said they only won in 1 BUT if that was the plan all along within the Sacred Timeline, what realities was Dr. Strange seeing in all the other situations where they lost? If there is only one sacred timeline what did Dr. Strange see when he saw all the other potential outcomes? If the sacred timeline loops, the Avengers would always beat the second Thanos but that doesn't explain to me why Dr. Strange sees so many other outcomes. I need help here, anyone have any thoughts?
He could see them ending in nothing.
Besides, he saw future outcomes and chose one.
He could never choose the non sacred one because there is no free will for them. All they did was allowed.
My guess is those alternate versions are just hypothetical, not actual multiverse realities. They are just meant to always have that one outcome.
My guess would be the timekeepers wouldnt allow him to see any other outcome other than the 1. Like they basically fed him fake outcomes in order to make him choose the 1 that would keep the sacred timeline.
He reset his time loop remember? So he returned to the focal point and clipped the branches. My big complaint is Steve, not Strange. The directors said Steve went to another timeline.
I watched Loki and realised When Loki was looking at the stones it only had 2 souls stones… meaning BW & Gamora ???
But I thought there was already a multiverse, I distinctly remember The Ancient One saying "A mast Multiverse," like there already was one.
Maybe she meant other realities and dimensions, like dark dimension, or nightmare dimension..
There is still a multiverse war, there still is and always is. That's why the Time Keepers are trying to keep the "Sacred Timeline" seperate. We can all agree all the non MCU movies and shows are alternate timelines. I believe this is leading to Secret Wars. Loki and perhaps Wanda looking for her children are going to unravel everything. Who knows perhaps Deadpool is playing a part jumping around time like we last saw him, and we know he is coming people. Charlie Cox's Daredevil, Multiverse Sinister 6. . Yeah it's all coming.
Also I'm pretty sure I saw Peggy Carter wearing what looks like her blue dress from the TV series...🤨
Good point
@@trippytimesjosh355 Erik Voss talked about the Peggy Carter thing in his breakdown on New Rockstars
@@trippytimesjosh355 fit
It's not the removal of infinity stones that create a new branch in time, it's anything related to time travellers making changes. Loki didn't even removal the space stone from the time line, and Loki's crime was escaping.
Finally someone with the truth
One theory I have is that "bad Loki" is trying to destroy the main timeline as a way to make a decision that has meaning. "Variant Loki" was distraught that his decisions seemed to have no meaning. Thus, destroying the main timeline would be the only act that has meaning. Variant Loki seems to understand the amount of power the TVA has, and might be trying to work his way up in the org. Old Loki might even be one of the people running the TVA.
Man... Now I'm really excited for Loki and how the events are gonna play out at end of this series. This is gonna be HUGE.
Looking in that desk drawer, the reality and time stones seem to be the two most popular ones for people to steal.
I thought so too, but then he mentioned its very common and that a lot of them have them as paperweights.... Also, what the fuck with the 2 soul stones. Who were the madmen?
@@NightHao Black widow and Gamora
Or the easiest to steal
Part of me wonders... if what the Averngers did was "supposed to happen" then shouldn't the effects of theit interference be subject to the same consideration. I mean Thanos discovers their plan and hops from the "past" timeline, possibly creating a variant universe where he vanishes, probably erased as soon as he leaves it, and then he and his forces are get snapped, essentially doing the TVAs job for them,) but he brought with him a whole other Gamora who _should_ be dead and is now loose in the universe. Also, there's Cap's life long Vacation with Peggy and the mysteriously appearing new Shield he came back with. Cap going back to replace the Gems might explain why the Avengers weren't prosecuted, but the effect of their meddling is still present.The "sacred timeline" also no longer has official Infinity Gems, so doesn't that mean the MCU is vulnerable? (not exactly the Avengers fault, but it seems like the TVA should have stepped in to rescue the things that helps balance the scales of the universe before Thanos destroyed them.
The TVA probably didn’t step in when Thanos turned the stones to atoms because doing so keeps the stones’ time-steadying power in timeline while greatly reducing anyone else’s ability to harness that power to attempt to alter the Sacred Timeline.
Also we as viewers are experiencing the MCU timeline linearly. Maybe the Avengers altering the timeline results in the rise of Kang, and the resulting mayhem is what causes the founding of the TVA to retroactively maintain the Scared Timeline.
Yeah, I've been thinking the same... didn't Steve create a new timeline by traveling to 1940's to live his life with Peggy then? And if so... how did he cut that branch? And also Thanos being snapped... did that actually happen? Or was it deleted from the "timeline" the moment Steve went back in time to return the stone to cut that new branch were 2014 Thanos went to their 2023 timeline to kill them with his army? I've got so many questions...
@@pt2k645 Good points! (also thanks for correcting me on "turned the stones to Atoms") because that can infer that they still exist on an atomic level rather than just being gone... which is probably why Antman is the next link in the chain.
I've been considering the theory that it's all running in reverse of what we see, the war happening _because_ the TVA exists, and the fact that other universe exist all over the place that haven't been erased like the upcoming What If series, all the numerous Spidermen, and Agents of shield & the Netflix shows that don't tie into the MCU anymore, etc.
I watched Loki and realised When Loki was looking at the stones it only had 2 souls stones… meaning BW & Gamora ???
Let’s just say...Time Travel n all is going to be totally messed up
Did loki really remove the infinity stone from the timeline or simply move it geographically from where it was in the original timeline? Seems like if the infinity stone is present at a point in time anywhere in the universe then it is still doing it's job of regulating the timeline. This would imply that you can branch a timeline without removing an infinity stone, simply moving it around the universe...
It’s not shown, but I’m assuming Loki traveled to a different timeline but still on Earth, a different Earth of course. That’s why it is therefore considered a crime since he removed the infinity stone from its corresponding timeline. If he simply changes location but remained in the same original timeline he was already in, it wouldn’t be a time crime.
That's an interesting point. I assumed that, because it was no longer in New York, it would be a significant enough shift to disrupt it's previous course, but who knows?
What Simon said. The infinity stone being removed from New York would probably affect the future, which would probably cause a nexus event to happen, so they needed to prune the timeline.
Bro I literally just typed this idea 😭he moved it to a different area in the SAME timeline so technically there should be no crime committed by him or be any new timeline variant
@@derpythya8924 I don’t necessarily see how that works because even after avengers,the tesseract wasn’t used or didn’t do anything up until it was needed for the ragnorok plot leading to endgame
Well done Man U predicted literally everything
I swear, 90% of the time I click on these videos it's to see if I get surprised by the placement of "your mom" ... And every once in awhile my emotion bursts forth because it's such a good one and oh boy did I do a cackle this time. Kudos.
Talk about perfect timing. I just finished the Loki explained video
Steve is a variant in that sense.
You make a good argument but technically he stayed after he returned everything back
@@elmorelia100 but by staying he created a new timeline
@@elmorelia100 the directors said he came from a different timeline. We know he didn’t marry Peggy in this one cuz of Agent Carter where she meets her husband
He didn't create a new timeline as long as his existence is kept a secret.
No he not.
This channel deserves more.
Love your videos.
I keep seeing people ask about Cap's timeline and whether or not he creates a variant. I've been thinking about it myself and I think I've come to the conclusion he does. But his actions don't draw the attention of the TVA because he never does anything to disrupt the main timeline. He returns all the stones to their proper places in the main timeline, which restores its integrity. Then he returns to some point in the past in the main timeline where he can reconnect with Peggy. We don't know when that is, but we have to assume it based on the events that have already transpired as well as what we're given in this show. So while he is a variant existing alongside himself, albeit frozen for 70 years, he most likely keeps a low profile and purposely leads a quiet life so as not to draw attention to himself. He knows he has to be found in the ice and resurrected later, so if he makes his presence known to anyone but Peggy before any of that can happen, he will alter the timeline. He doesn't create a branch because he never does anything to cause one. I don't know how he knows what to do and not do, but reinserting himself in into the main timeline and living a full life with Peggy never disrupts it, so based on what this episode has told us, it therefore was always meant to happen. And because it was meant to happen, the TVA either doesn't notice, or they do, and don't care.
It does seem like a bit of a copout, but at the same time, its consistent with what the video explains.
Exactly!!! Something else is goin on in here. The avengers took the stones to a diffrent timeline . But loki was in the same reality. How i she responsible for anything over here? And when they say that what the avengers did was supposed to happen, what exactly do they mean? Does it mean that hulk smashing out of that door and crashing into 2023 tony and then the tesseract literally landing at loki's feet was bound to happen? Then how is it loki's fault?
Because the Endgame Avengers only slightly interfered in a calculated way that was meant to have no repercussions to that timeline since they planned to return the stones to when and where they took them from, and they did, and the only thing that didn't go according to that plan was Loki taking the Tesseract, because if they had taken it, like they intended, they would have returned it, but Loki wouldn't, therefore causing a significant impact in that timeline. Small differences are okay because they don't necessarily change the course of time, and Hulk smashing out of that door causing the Tesseract to land at Loki's feet was an accident that wouldn't have made a difference IF Loki hadn't chosen to take the chance to take the Tesseract. He's the one that messed up the Avengers' plan A and forced them to go with a plan B, not Hulk. I think Ryan explained this well in the video.
@@RicardoPetinga but if they hadn't meddle, loki wouldn't be here. Period. Spin it all you want, but They caused that, not loki.
@@RicardoPetinga So, shouldn't Hulk smashing into the door have been the event that caused the Time Keepers to appear? And they reset it right there so that Tony doesn't drop the tesseract and it all goes according to plan?
@@zimvader25 the only crime is loki taking a stone to a different path and NOT PLANNING TO RETURN IT, which is why they grabbed him and erased that timeline with the purple jar. simply no semantics.
@@jacobpro_ no, because Hulk always smashed that door, like he was supposed to. Tony just happened to be there with the briefcase, but he wasn't at fault either because he was also doing what he was supposed to. Think of it as a matter of intention. Of course that they could've screwed up the timeline unintentionally, but if not for the variant (Loki making that choice), they wouldn't have, and didn't, because they never did everytime that timeline looped. Loki, however, did intend to flee and not return the space stone.
If Loki no longer has power, why dose he look as he dose? He should look like an Ice Giant.
I think its because odin rewrote lokis dna, and that was always meant to happen. So it was following their correct timeline. So its less magic and more scientifical. Like the magic already happened and its not an active magic. So thats why
it's not his powers that make him look like an ice giant.
Thank you for showing!
You continue to inspire my knowledge of the MCU and other media
What about Steve going back in time to live with Peggy. Also the current timeline after endgame has no more stones since Steve returned them
Technically it has the stones, but they are "reduced to atoms"... so who knows how they can be restored in the future.
It was supposed to happen he was supposed to live an alternate timeline and come back to his main timeline it’s all apart of their flow of time unlike Loki who wasn’t supposed to escape with the space stone.
Yeah, capt should be variant. So capt crossing multiverse way before loki or wanda do
@Bermuda Triangle nope still makes no sense why does loki have free will and cap its bad writing
Steve was supposed to stay in this alternate timeline with Peggy. And then return to give Sam the shield, setting the course for the future of the main MCU timeline, which again, is how it's supposed to happen. Sam can't be the new Cap if those events don't play out in the way they do. It's confusing, but it checks out.
Loki's TVA reminds me to Isaac Asimov's "The End of Eternity". Great novel by the way.
Looking back in this you predicted absolutely everything
You were definitely on to something given where we’re at now with the MCU…the multiverse opening up, heroes from different universes coming soon in secret wars. Your one of my go to guys for the MCU and Star Wars. Hats off to you Ryan!
I just noticed this. 6:49 In the TVA logo the light colored shapes on the "V" and "A" kind of look like an hour glass. And when you drop that shape on its side, an Infinity symbol.
Nice! Never noticed that before...
I think there’s a tendency to give the stones too much credit. New timelines aren’t created only when a stone is removed, new timelines are created whenever someone time travels. Refer to the comment made by the hunter in Oklahoma about someone finding a time machine and using it to get rich; no mention of an infinity stone. The whole point of finding all the stones in the office drawer is to illustrate the new paradigm of power that the TVA represents. It’s also a clever way that fiege et al are using to show that the MCU is moving on from that storyline. They’re saying that the stones are only part of the story, and a much smaller part than you were previously led to believe.
at around 10 minutes into the episode Mrs. Minutes explains that you can become a variant and create a new timeline even by just being late for work
You Crushed It !!
Awesome. One of those pieces of "retro analogue equipment" was a Korg Volca Keys. It's a little analogue synthesizer. Its featured in the office in the bottom left of the screen at about 4:18
Damn that's messed up...
It's like the Avengers got away with swiping ALL of the cash from the registers in Wal-mart because it was "supposed to happen." However, Loki got arrested because he swiped a quarter that rolled over by his foot while the Avengers scurried away...
Plus what about the Steve Rogers Variant that stays in the past to be with Peggy
The difference being, Loki put the quarter in his pocket, while the Avengers were running to deposit the money in the Bank.
the avengers were always gonna return the cash, loki wasn't gonna.
@@nbriez-c5914 he's not a variant, he's the original Steve. If anything Peggy will be the variant.
@@bern9642 maybe I shouldnt have said variant but when he goes back there is 2 steves in that time period now, and yea i know the other one is frozen for most of that time but still
After the first Easter egg episode, Ryan’s camera/picture froze at the very end of the video. I thought it was an editing glitch, now I think it’s intentional as it happens again. With all these time shenanigans going on, is Ryan frozen in time too?
I’m not overthinking Loki’s series until the last episode, Marvel is in its bag right now & we dont know what’s in store next. great video bro.💯
11:20 That idea started sounding really exciting, only for it to lead into your iconic joke.
Why did they arrest Loki instead of just resetting his timeline and leaving
They need his help?
@@donovan8530 yeah but they didn’t decide to keep him until mobius told em too
@@mauriceschannel1945 all variants are taken to trial before they are pruned, at least for the most part
Because then Loki would only be 1 episode long
Damned bureaucracy
What I think is as Mobius said history repeats itself.. at the beginning there were multiple branches- A multiverse so at the end a Multiverse should exist in order for the TVA to exist and that's what this show will do. It will create a Multiverse.. later in Dr. Strange we will see consequences of this Multiverse and also in Ant-Man and the Wasp with Kang coming into the picture
Spot on as always!
Love these videos
the your mom joke never gets old XD
It really has no right to be as unexpectedly hilarious every time.
And every time he points something out I get real excited like oooh what that and then it’s just my mother and I’m like god dammit Ryan !!!
Narrators voice: but it does get old
I wish there was just an infinity stone in the drawer that wasn't the color of any of the six. It could have been a cool shout out to Deadpool's continuity stone
props for pro level ad integration 👍👍👍
This is a good explanation.
Its literally said in the episode that The Avengers were supposed to go back on time. Tony Stark going back on time was supposed to happen. If he didn't he would become a variant. Its not hard to understand. Acoording to this show everybody already have their fate planned out and if they do anything different they become variants
But if what the avengers did "happened the way it was supposed to" shouldn't that also include getting the tesseract to Loki so he could escape?
@@justinskywalker because Loki wasnt supposed to pick up the Tesseract. His story was supposed to go as we saw in the mcu. The show says this "what the avengers did was supposed to happen, you escaping wasn't". While they are at fault for Loki escaping they still did everything well. You always run into trouble when you make time travel stories and now with only one timeline existing, everybody fate being already planed out and the multiverse coming out, things will only start to make less sense.
@@rodrigosousa2172 " While they are at fault for Loki escaping they still did everything well" that sentence literally contradicts itself. this show was written by idiots
@@666FallenShadow the TVA clips variants not the cause of the variant (so long as they themselves aren't variants). Id assume that the general jist of it, that will PROBS be elaborated on in the 5 remaining episodes (hence why you shouldnt write of the writers too quickly) is that the avengers we're supposed to get the stones and 'avenge' the universe against Thanos by any means necessary because that's what the timemasters or whatever the hell Thier called wanted for Thier sacred timeline they didn't give a toss how as long as the result was the same.
@@666FallenShadow they are not variants though... because no one else created a new branch. Loki is a variant because he created a new branch. Simple as that
Can you clear the difference between the multiverse and the multiple timelines?
To me it seems, multiple timelines but within the same universe.
And multiverse is multiple different universes.
It seems both terms have become rather exchangeable.
Agree.
Great video
Excellent presentation
This still doesn't make sense.
1. Subject A goes back in time to steal an infinity stone. Subject A gets said infinity stone and returns to the future. Branch reality created when he goes back in time,.
2. Subject A goes back in time again. But this time he doesn't create a branch timeline??
There should be both a reality where they come back with the stones and a reality where they don't.
Wanda a.k.a Scarlet Witch is a nexus being. She is constant in all timelines and multiverse. So, did the Timekeepers create the Scarlet witch as a backup? Just in case if the timelines separate and keep branching out of control, the Scarlet witch will converge them and bring them back together into one sacred timeline. What do you think?
There are many other Nexus beings besides her, and no.
It's so wild watching this after episode 5, so spot on! 😂
Ryan is straight up sorcerer seeing future.
Well done Ryan.
Did anyone else catch the double meaning of "a criminal with a blue box" as a sly reference to Dr Who?
I predict at the end of Loki the TVA will be abolished, new timelines will be created as a result and will lead to another timeline war, i.e. Secret Wars.
I think the TVA will remain, simply because it is impossible to destroy so much bureaucracy! They could remain as the interfering bad guys throughout phase 4.
@@WyzgalBert probably destroyed and then kang coming....
or it will lead to the multiverse of madness in doctor strange.
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I still would have very much liked to see Steve deliver the stones back.
Inject Jane with reality.
Saying hi to red skull.
Placing the tesseract in Howard's safe and so on.
Messy
The avengers probably never got arrested by the TVA because the time heist was supposed to happen but Loki escaping was not.
They said that in the episode
@@mikeuk666 I know and the reason I said that is because in the title why the avengers were not on trial and that’s why they are not
But how was steve able to live his life with Peggy ? He was in a different timeline and returned to the main timeline in the end of endgame according to the russo brothers. What happenend to the timeline the endgame thanos came from ? and what happenend to gamora of that timeline who is now in the main timeline ? I hope the show will give answers.
Great use of True Detective!
Thank you ryan
I think everyone like the way how loki changes how side from villain to anti hero to hero its all probably because Tom hiddleston he is such a extraordinary actors😍😍😍❤️.
Why did they take slyvie tho? That question Alone ruins ur theory of only people that take infinity stones get prined
She got pruned because her being alive was not supposed to happen. She literally said that in Loki episode 4 lol. Pay attention
@@Empire_11 why not take her when she was a baby?
@@yrntony6175 Because in her timeline the child sylvie you saw was a baby who was just born cause in her timeline when baby’s are first born they look like children like the child sylvie we saw but really she is just a baby who was just born with great skills and the parents ran outside to let her play with toys that we saw in the episode.
Pretty good accuracy 👌
In Loki ep 1, Mobius makes a very interesting statement. He says it, referring to the events of Loki’s life, happens again and again and again, because it’s supposed to, because it has to. This implies that the timeline, and possibly even just sections of the timeline, repeat. That has a number of implications for both Loki and the MCU.
Your “your mom” jokes are always perfectly set up and your editing is on point it makes me laugh every time. Love your videos and in your insight on the MCU Ryan. 🤙🏾
Had to watch this video 2x but it's very helpful in wrapping my brain around Loki Ep. 1. The Loki series seems like it's going to change the MCU like Winter Soldier, Civil War & Dr. Strange in the sense of you thought of it one way before but it's totally different now and you didn't see it coming!
Dude did you make this before Loki was out🤯damn shout out
Gotta recognize a beautiful transition into an add!!!
I can’t believe the reveal at the end was Dr. Manhattan. It was truly a shocking experience
The time analogy works better with a hoolahoop. If you hold the hoop horizontally, it just looks like a straight tube. If you turn it vertically though, it becomes a circle
Well said!! Explaining the concept of time as a flat circle is crucial to understanding the TVA. I agree- the variant Loki trying to destroy the TVA is our Antihero, & by the end, I expect the multiverse to exist again, setting up Battleworld.
This all makes perfect sense, but man does my head hurt now 🤕
Hi Doug!
If I was so confused already, this just blew my mind!
yeah we kind of know where this is going) but we are here for the ride
Yeah… Loki is basically the Dr. Manhattan manhandling timelines and the multiverse because vibes and art go off. Well written and beautiful.
How do the "your mom" gags catch me by surprise EVERY TIME?
I love your videos 😍 they are awesome , need more videos 👍👍
If you look at the background of the scene with Hulk and the Ancient One, you can see that the timeline is slightly rounded, which basically confirms your theory that MCU time is a circle.
Hearing about this timeline and worldline thing reminds of Tetsuya Nomura's version of time travel in the Kingdom Hearts series
Nice coffee mug! I have the same one.
8:29 Even Mobius name is a nod to the Möbius strip which is in itself endless. When you walk on it it seems linear but viewed from the outside you see the loop
Damn; He slid that add in real cool
Ok, I get it. Thanks.
All it shows us is Loki taking the space stone to a different location I don’t remember him taking it out of the timeline
He didn't remove it from the timeline though, he just used it to teleport to a different location
Loved the Portal game reference in the book
Wait can someone explain how their can be variants so much different from each other or how those variants are made
I won’t lie the way you squeezed in NordVPN was legit class 😂
Ryan, sorry if you went over this already, but when Thanos used the stones to destroy the stones, how did that affect the timeline (and why wasn't it in a noticeable way beyond high-energy detection) since the stones create the flow of time? Why is the current timeline, without infinity stones, not affected by their disappearance?
Absolutely so so hyped for more of The Loki series , but also yeah apparently The Avengers were supposedly had to do the time travel thing cause of Thanos and they never got punished for it because of it
I’m am less confused thank you
The TVA hourglass logo also has lines that make it look like a stylized Moebius Strip.