ENGINE FAILURE ON TAKEOFF | Emergency Return to Geneva
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Listening to this interaction of European ATC after the last few videos of American ATC is such a night and day difference.
Clear, concise and direct communication all around. While still being friendly, might I add.
Haha yes. It goes from "I need subtitles to know what they talk about" to "all is good and clear" :)
I am @@BokeFlyingSimulations’s Translator. Here is what they really said: “Speak AMERICAN! I shouldn’t be inconvenienced with hearing any other language, especially when it involves another country! The only ALPHA language is English, I shouldn’t be forced to read text or learn a different language. If I ever go to a different country, they better speak it there as well!”.
Europeans are well organised ,tho they have an accent but way more organized both pilots and controllers, unlike the Americans
Their airspace is also just less congested and busy than the United States. There isn’t anywhere nearly as congested as the north east
And all in a second language. I can't readback that well in my first!
Excellent job by all. The ATCs were marvelous. Clear, precise, ahead of the game. Well done.
the rolled r on those 'zero zero' at 1:57 is so crisp and consistent, so clean at communicating information by distinguishing between repeated digits - bravo
I’ve never heard someone roll their Rs when saying zero before. That was quite impressive (to me) honestly.
@@TitaniumTurbineshe is Swiss German that is why
it's a guttural R, not a rolled R, but yes it is a pleasant sound in this case, very crisp pronunciation from the controller
@@tototata5334she’s French 🤦♂️i lived in Geneva for years, the official language of Geneva is French and most of the workers come from France daily
@@lukaspaasilinna7092 i have a Swiss German wife ;)
Trust me when I say that she is Swiss German even though she speaks French
It's always interesting how European pilots are more directive with what they're doing. Instead of asking for vectors, he told ATC I'm turning left and climbing to 7000'. ATC said sounds good. Next he said I'm turning to 045 now to come back. In the US the pilots would have just asked for vectors and followed what ATC said.
It cuts out most of the conversation with ATC. It isn’t just a European thing either.
Yeah US RT is very poor compared to EASA standards. I always hear so much unessary talking, non standard phrases and confusion between everyone on the frequency.@@EdOeuna
Because we’re the one flying the 70T tube with 156-230 pax. EU atc know we will accommodate whatever they want but if we can’t then it’s not on us. In the US (on the videos I’ve seen) ATC seems to be the one who think they fly and control the aircraft.
The initial turn is the Emergency Turn (it has different names depending on the airline). Every operator has a specific procedure for every runway of every airport in case of engine failure as the aircraft may not be able to follow the normal departure. The ATC doesn't know each specific company procedure so in case of Engine Failure you, as a pilot, are informing the ATC of your intentions (in this occasion, the ATC asked for intentions cause the pilots didn't say anything on the first communication but usually you might want to say "PAN PAN, PAN PAN, PAN PAN, Topswiss 38AM, engine faiulre, turning left to St. Prex, climbing 7000', stand by".
It cuts down unnecessary communication. Former air force pilots are also good at this in the USA. But the rest? Not so much.
Also in Europe we follow the standard comms more cause of the limited English skills, too.
The pronunciation of "r" by that lady is insanely cool.
@@neom0nkI was told the high heels makes you do that!
French Canadians roll their R's too.
She has a silky radio voice. I could listen to her all day. :)
Among the pilots, I think the Finns are best at it. Finnairrrrrrr
I can only say that this is a well handled situation by ATC. Safety first! Keeping a calm voice and precise instructions only helped to handle the EM-TFC to prepare and support it to the end. I wish this’ll be the case in every FIR in Europe… 👍👍💪💪
Thank you very much for picking this incident up!
A very professionell work by all participants.
Presumably Swiss ATC are required to be able to conduct operations in 3+ languages? Like English, French , German and maybe Italian? Very impressive if so!
I'd think French as well.
That depends on the airport/airspace. The Western part of Switzerland, which is controlled by Geneva Area Control Center, uses English and French in radio communications. The Eastern part, Zürich ACC (including Zürich Tower and Approach), uses English only. There are some regional exceptions at smaller airports, where either German (e.g. Bern, St. Gallen, Samedan) or Italian (Lugano, Locarno) communication is permitted as well.
The official hiring requirements are English plus either French, German or Italian.
Depends on the region.
Geneva French.
Basel and Zurich german. And then smaller airports will speak local language.
But they all speak English too. (In theory)
There are 3 official languages in Switzerland: French, German, and Italian. They also speak something called "Romansh". (Source: Wikipedia) But they use English as a common language.
Common... In aviation. English is spoken in Switzerland mainly with the tourists. So if you're one, you'll see all swiss speak to you in english, but you won't see any swiss speak english between them. We ALL speak at least german in addition to 1 or 2 other local language.
Legend has it that those Rs are still out there somewhere, rolling along.
And that's the way it's done.
Why did the SWR719T go around on first approach?
Likely to keep the runway clear in case they had problems. Losing the only runway to a problem on landing with an emergency inbound would be fairly awkward.
Very well handled all. Why did that Swiss 791T go around?
I guess he didn't want to miss the holding pattern party forming up in the sky :)
Probably the panpan upgraded to emergency, emergency means the runway and any crossing runways to the one the emergency plane is landing are closed for other traffic until they land
@@louissikkema5399 But the emergency plane was not yet landing, as a matter of fact the emergency plane pilot just told atc that they needed some extra time.
but at the time of the goaround it was already quite far into the approach, under some conditions also the atc upgrades a panpan to an emergency on own discretion without the plane asking for it, that might have also happened here. And in an emergency the time until the emergency aircraft lands does not matter to the rule that the runway cant be used anymore.@@Ztbmrc1
inn case 791 blows a tire or somethinng on landinng and blocks the runway then emergency traffic has to divert which is a no no. therefore runway is kept clear even if they cant land for some time@@Ztbmrc1
I guess 791 got a go around?
Affirm
According to Flightradar this was actually an older A320 (not NEO) HB-JYD.
❤ me encanta el turrón de alicante ❤
Why was 791T told for go around?
To keep the runway clear for the Easyjet
Everyone on frequency needs to have the same info. French no bueno. :)
Incorrect
Apparently french is officially allowed on IFR frequencies as per ICAO standard. It's stupid as heck and a prime example of the french sucessfully blowing the international importance of their language way out of proportion.
But it is what it is.
@@Quotenwagnerianer Russian, Spanish, Arabic and Chinese are also allowed. Are they blowing their languages out of proportion?
@@Quotenwagnerianer This is the most common clichéd American take ever. You are American right? Sure sounds like something one of us would say despite being wrong and disregarding the 5 other ICAO approved languages.
No, I'm not american. I just know the french. ;)@@TitaniumTurbine
It won't take you long to find an airline cockpit video where ATC and pilots do not use English. It's not exactly a one-off.
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I never tire of emphasizing that no language other than English has any place in IFR flight operations.
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Which language in this case ?
@@floriannecy74 2:14
@@floriannecy74French
Take it up with ICAO