I don't understand. ATC only asked each question one time. How is this possible? Where were all the repetitive questions and continuous requests to repeat calls and info? 🤔
It was such a change from the Alaska flight where I kept thinking depressurization is an emergency; can you please give the pilots some time to stabilize and understand their situation and stop asking them to repeat themselves.
JOS222 your emergency is copied. What are your intentions? If you wanna return i can give you vectors. Do you need to level off? What's the nature of your emergency? Also what's the total number of souls on board and the fuel in lbs. Surely you don't have anything else to do at the moment.
@@Ululuro Dude, they're not asking these questions for fun. This is vital information that they and everyone else on-frequency needs to know. Perhaps their timing could be better but we don't have the full picture here, all we have is the ATC recordings. They need to know where they want to go, what they want to do, what equipment to have ready on the ground, and how many bodies to look for if there's an incident. Do you want the ATC to NOT ask these questions?
Excellent that they used the ICAO term MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY. It's understandable in any aviation language. Makes everyone pay attention. Some US-based pilots could learn from that. I have no issues with non-English being used as the primary language within countries such as these in this video. Both Panama Control and UPS369 (both English-speaking) did great too 👏.
Even in mostly a language I don't understand the professionalism is obvious. Glad they are both safe, well done. The mention they had lithium batteries loaded showed their mindset of safety etc.
11/10 emergency management. I liked the paused and clear English when it was needed. Mi oido entrenado en español estaba alegre de que sean buenas noticias. Excelent Work.
Yes! I got my mayday call! And everyone did a great job as always. Also, super cool of UPS to speak clearly for the Panama Controller, who also has great ESL skills
Hear that US pilots! No, “may have emergency here” “we are an Emergency aircraft” a clear MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY and the controller is focused, other pilots on freq are minimized and ready for possible moves to clear the pattern, no repeated calls/question… see!? See how it is supposed to work? Use the MAYDAY or the PAN! It’s in the book and regs for a reason.
Man i love the 757... it may be my favorite Boeing passenger aircraft. Its just an absolute dragster. Those RR RB211's with their hollow titanium fan blades make a sound like no other engine. That thing can climb at 40+ degrees with ease all the way to cruise altitude.
@@N1120A That's not what I've read - wikipedia for instance says outside of North America and Japan it's hPa all the way baby. And last I checked, Latin America and North America aren't the same thing, not withstanding the usual 'welcome to America, speak Spanish'
We use both, Hectopascals and inches, but we already know which airlines use each. Mostly all airlines use Hectopascals and private or medium/light jets prefer inches
VAS, I hate that you are so busy in 2024. It is only January 8. For the love of all that is good and holy, can we please stop airplanes landing on each other, losing doors, and having failed engines? Oi! I love your work, but I don’t want an update until 2025.
Excellent coordination. Clear, concise communications, no panic from the crew despite them carrying dangerous goods. But damn, another Boeing takes a hit. What the hell is going on with them
Even this channel has declaring-a-itis. You don't "declare" a Mayday you call Mayday on the radio. The U.S aviation industry needs to learn from this. ATC didn't ha e to ask "are you declaring an emergency"? The term used is "Mayday Mayday Mayday" thus there is no confusion or ambiguous points to seek clarification on. It's got to be trained out of the US aviation but will likely only happen via the recommendation of the NTSB or another country's investigative authority.
@VASAviation Following that logic, pilots should say Dam Dam Dam "Declaring an emergency" Declaring an emergency" Declaring an emergency", if only there was international protocol's in place, you know some kind of word or phrase that shortens things and defines the seriousness nature of the situation.... Declare means to announce something clearly, firmly, publicly, or officially.....which is exactly why the world has PAN PAN PAN or MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY. You don't declare MAYDAY or PAN. The word is in itself a form of declaration that negates the use of the word declare or declared, it's a radio call, not a stand-alone declaration of a declaration. Simple ununiformed nuances like this are what's wrong with US aviation, but what's really wrong is the failure to acknowledge this and take corrective action to align with the rest of the world's flying communities.
Can you confim you are MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY? Are you a Mayday or not? Weird...looks like that just works when you declare a emergency... Hopefully some day important people will understand that there is a better and a worst way and that maybe all should use the better one.
To be fair, as someone who’s never taken a single Spanish class, without looking at the subtitles I was able to get the import part of the majority of the transmissions based on an understanding of aviation phraseology and a basic understanding of Spanish words
@@CClarke_94 I agree with you. I also got 75% of the info thanks to my understanding of basics spanish words (numbers and directions) and the fact spanish has the same roots as my native french. Thanks also to the ATC clarity and speed of speech.
@VASAviation I guess it depends, engine on fire then sure. Or in a light twin and barely performing definitely. But isn't large passenger jets certified to fly SAFELY on one engine? If there is no other issues other than a loss of an engine. Where's the emergency?
Can you confim you are MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY? Are you a Mayday or not? Weird...looks like that just works when you declare a emergency... Hopefully some day important people will understand that there is a better and a worst way and that maybe all should use the better one.
Excellent ATC work! Clear, direct, and to the point with minimal repetition.
The pilots were also on point incl. DG declaration with code and all.
Thanks for waiting until UPS landed to end the video.
I don't understand. ATC only asked each question one time. How is this possible? Where were all the repetitive questions and continuous requests to repeat calls and info? 🤔
It was such a change from the Alaska flight where I kept thinking depressurization is an emergency; can you please give the pilots some time to stabilize and understand their situation and stop asking them to repeat themselves.
I think there was a question asked twice ... but the first time, they were asked to stand by, so only answered once.
JOS222 your emergency is copied. What are your intentions? If you wanna return i can give you vectors. Do you need to level off? What's the nature of your emergency? Also what's the total number of souls on board and the fuel in lbs. Surely you don't have anything else to do at the moment.
AND? WHY YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND? IT'S PANAMA COMMS
@@Ululuro Dude, they're not asking these questions for fun. This is vital information that they and everyone else on-frequency needs to know. Perhaps their timing could be better but we don't have the full picture here, all we have is the ATC recordings. They need to know where they want to go, what they want to do, what equipment to have ready on the ground, and how many bodies to look for if there's an incident. Do you want the ATC to NOT ask these questions?
Excellent that they used the ICAO term MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY. It's understandable in any aviation language. Makes everyone pay attention. Some US-based pilots could learn from that. I have no issues with non-English being used as the primary language within countries such as these in this video. Both Panama Control and UPS369 (both English-speaking) did great too 👏.
I love the call sign Jos Dos Dos Dos
It’s good but I feel it could get confusing over the radio 😂
6:12 he indeed got confused, JOS dos dos dos dos
This is EXCELLENT. Precise, no repetition. Great work by pilots AND ATC. Bravo!
Even in mostly a language I don't understand the professionalism is obvious. Glad they are both safe, well done. The mention they had lithium batteries loaded showed their mindset of safety etc.
11/10 emergency management. I liked the paused and clear English when it was needed. Mi oido entrenado en español estaba alegre de que sean buenas noticias. Excelent Work.
Very clear call and a well handled emergency.
ATC finally READY and immediately respond to a Mayday and Fuel/ Souls without a request to repeat. Might be the first I’ve heard.
Yes! I got my mayday call! And everyone did a great job as always. Also, super cool of UPS to speak clearly for the Panama Controller, who also has great ESL skills
Hear that US pilots! No, “may have emergency here” “we are an Emergency aircraft” a clear MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY and the controller is focused, other pilots on freq are minimized and ready for possible moves to clear the pattern, no repeated calls/question… see!? See how it is supposed to work? Use the MAYDAY or the PAN! It’s in the book and regs for a reason.
"Not declaring an emergency at this time. Also we need vectors to land immediately and have the trucks roll. But no emergency."
Man i love the 757... it may be my favorite Boeing passenger aircraft. Its just an absolute dragster. Those RR RB211's with their hollow titanium fan blades make a sound like no other engine. That thing can climb at 40+ degrees with ease all the way to cruise altitude.
guess this one still has a higher climb ratio than a full powered A340/300 😂
This B757 was equipped with the PW2000 engines.
Thanks for sdding the other ups landing at the end haha 👍
This should be a training video.
Thank you very much! Very well done by all participants!👍
"JOS dos dos dos" is a great callsign!
I find it interesting that I find Spanish from native speakers is more intelligible over radio than I do English from native speakers.
lol, seemingly engines break every other day down there. Guy is cold as ice.
American ATC/pilots take note. Perfect example of how to do it.
Great job as usual. Nice job translating to English too
I always enjoy watching or in this case listening to competent people being good at their jobs
Didn't realize Panama used hectopascals instead of inches. Interesting.
Why would they use inches? It’s only the yanks that are still backwards with their units
@@chrisnielsen9885 incorrect. Much of Latin America uses inches, as do the Japanese and Canadians
@@N1120A That's not what I've read - wikipedia for instance says outside of North America and Japan it's hPa all the way baby. And last I checked, Latin America and North America aren't the same thing, not withstanding the usual 'welcome to America, speak Spanish'
@@chrisnielsen9885 Mexico certainly uses inches.
We use both, Hectopascals and inches, but we already know which airlines use each. Mostly all airlines use Hectopascals and private or medium/light jets prefer inches
Love it, but it was missing some subtitling.
VAS, I hate that you are so busy in 2024. It is only January 8. For the love of all that is good and holy, can we please stop airplanes landing on each other, losing doors, and having failed engines? Oi! I love your work, but I don’t want an update until 2025.
I feel like failed engines are pretty common and mostly benign, nothing to be worried about.
Favourite plane and livery. Gorgeous
Excellent coordination. Clear, concise communications, no panic from the crew despite them carrying dangerous goods. But damn, another Boeing takes a hit. What the hell is going on with them
This doesn't really have to do with Boeing, engines sometimes just go.
Great job on the translation!
I'm Spanish, that's not a problem.
@@VASAviationSaludos de Chile
2024 is lit already
Yes.
Even this channel has declaring-a-itis. You don't "declare" a Mayday you call Mayday on the radio.
The U.S aviation industry needs to learn from this.
ATC didn't ha e to ask "are you declaring an emergency"?
The term used is "Mayday Mayday Mayday" thus there is no confusion or ambiguous points to seek clarification on.
It's got to be trained out of the US aviation but will likely only happen via the recommendation of the NTSB or another country's investigative authority.
They declared a MAYDAY indeed
@VASAviation Following that logic, pilots should say Dam Dam Dam "Declaring an emergency" Declaring an emergency" Declaring an emergency", if only there was international protocol's in place, you know some kind of word or phrase that shortens things and defines the seriousness nature of the situation....
Declare means to announce something clearly, firmly, publicly, or officially.....which is exactly why the world has PAN PAN PAN or MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY.
You don't declare MAYDAY or PAN. The word is in itself a form of declaration that negates the use of the word declare or declared, it's a radio call, not a stand-alone declaration of a declaration.
Simple ununiformed nuances like this are what's wrong with US aviation, but what's really wrong is the failure to acknowledge this and take corrective action to align with the rest of the world's flying communities.
This can't possibly be HP-2010DAE. That one crash landed back in 2022
HP-1810DAE, my mistake
Can you confim you are MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY? Are you a Mayday or not?
Weird...looks like that just works when you declare a emergency...
Hopefully some day important people will understand that there is a better and a worst way and that maybe all should use the better one.
I thought English was the world standard for ATC comms.
You thought wrong
I thought all air traffic spoke English. The other pilot on UPS369 may not have been able to understand, and it may have been helpful.
To be fair, as someone who’s never taken a single Spanish class, without looking at the subtitles I was able to get the import part of the majority of the transmissions based on an understanding of aviation phraseology and a basic understanding of Spanish words
@@CClarke_94 I agree with you. I also got 75% of the info thanks to my understanding of basics spanish words (numbers and directions) and the fact spanish has the same roots as my native french. Thanks also to the ATC clarity and speed of speech.
If both are native speakers it can actually be better in an emergency situation so the pilot has less workload translating.
@@douglasphillips1203 My thought exactly!
DHL has bad luck with 757s in Central America. First the crash in Costa Rica in 2022 and now this in Panama.
Yes, indeed.
which operator is JOS?
DHL de Guatemala, I believe.
This is very similar to a DHL plane that crashed in Costa Rica in 2022, same aircraft, same airline, probably the same cause.
Not at all the same cause
Why was is it a mayday and not a pan?
Because pilots considered it was a Mayday
@@VASAviation I wonder why they thought they were in grave, imminent danger? Seemed like there were no other issues other than the loss of an engine 🤔
The loss of an engine in a twin engine aircraft is definitely a Mayday for me
@VASAviation I guess it depends, engine on fire then sure. Or in a light twin and barely performing definitely. But isn't large passenger jets certified to fly SAFELY on one engine? If there is no other issues other than a loss of an engine. Where's the emergency?
maybe the dangerous goods combined with any trouble is a different situation @@KFCMakeGoodWingIets
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I'm surprised it was all done in Spanish, wouldn't it be better in English so that all other aircraft in the area would understand what is going on?
International regulations only require English for international flights. Spanish is the primary language of Panama.
I thought English was the international language of aviation??
nope
F.... boeing.
Arent they to supose to speak English
Negative
@@VASAviation omg.... May Day May Day, pan pan pan ..
Why are they not speaking English?
Because they both know Spanish too
Speak engligh ffs
Not mandatory
Maybe you need to travel outside of the USA and also learn how to spell English ffs.
Thanks so much for everything you do! 😀
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I wish their callsign wasn’t josdosdosdos😂
Great work from both atc and pilots🫡
Can you confim you are MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY? Are you a Mayday or not?
Weird...looks like that just works when you declare a emergency...
Hopefully some day important people will understand that there is a better and a worst way and that maybe all should use the better one.
Mayday is the way!
Preach! American ATC/pilots can learn a lot.