Airplane hits something at 8000 feet over Boston. Delta Boeing 737 diverts to New York. Real ATC
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- THIS VIDEO IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION IN FLIGHT:
24-SEP-2023. A Delta Air Lines Boeing 737-900 (B739), registration N835DN, performing flight DAL640 / DL640 from Boston Logan International Airport, MA (USA) to Palm Beach International Airport, FL (USA) was climbing out of Boston International Airport when the crew reported that they had hit something at 8000 feet and they were getting some abnormal feedback in the flight deck. When the airplane was about 50 miles east of New York at 34000 feet the flight crew decided to divert to New York Kennedy International Airport.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Description of situation
00:17 Initial climb out of Boston
00:35 Delta 640 hit something unknown. Pilots are not sure if it was a bird
02:18 The flight crew decided to divert to New York John F. Kennedy Airport
03:40 The air traffic controller declared an emergency for Delta 640
06:32 Delta 640 contact New York Approach
10:31 Delta 640 was transferred to the frequency of Tower controller
11:07 Landing
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I was a sonar tech on submarines. Our work space is at the very front top portion of the hull. Could reach up in the overhead and basically touch the inside of the pressure hull, with the ocean being just on the other side.
One day I heard us hit something metallic and distinctly heard it bang in the front, then slide down the hull right above my head until it went past into where control is. Like someone held a rake to the top as we passed by.
No one else heard it. Went into control and asked the control party and officer of the deck if they heard that bang or scrape. No one heard it. And the officer of the deck really wasn’t happy I heard something, cause if we did hit something and it was now wrapped around the sail that’s a pretty big fucking problem. Submarines have driven between barge and tugs before and caught the tow chain on the sail and either really caused major damage to the sail, or pulled the fucking tug under and killed everyone on board. Or both.
No one else heard it, and it didn’t sound like we were pulling a tugboat along with us by the chain, so I let it go. But I knew I heard something. Once we got back into port, once I got a chance I went topside to check the superstructure and hull. And there was a dent and a scrape along the hull. Not huge. But not small.
It was eery. What was floating around at several hundred feet of water that is metallic? Did we almost pull a tug down? Or maybe it was a shipping container. Will never know. But at least I proved to myself that I’m not going crazy.
That is oddly terrifying. Your experience has some serious Twilight Zone vibes to it.
Some shipping conex boxes do hover at depths for days, weeks that fall off ships.
Moored mine that failed to go boom...
There was a case where a British and French SSBN collided at very low speed. Same patch of ocean, neither detected each other. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Vanguard_and_Le_Triomphant_submarine_collision?wprov=sfti1
Maybe somebody was laying cable?
For those asking why the pilot didn't go back to Boston. A 737 can't dump fuel so they would have to either land overweight, something that is not without risk or fly around till they lose enough fuel to land safely. By the time they would reach a safe weight to land they would be by NYC anyways with more runways at different headings the pilots would have more options to land also.
Also maintenace capabilities are most likely equal or better at JFK
If you have an emergency you land overweight. Boston has long enough runways that would be no problem.If you takeoff at a weight you can land at that weight.They just do an overweight inspection.Its a non event.
@@boblivingston4841 depends on the severity of the emergency. im pretty sure the PILOT of that flight would have done that if he felt the aircraft was in serious danger. he did not declare the emergency, the boston control did.
@@boblivingston4841
it may be a non-event or it may be a big event. Some planes have never flown again after overweight landings buckled the fuselage. landing a very heavy plane on a shorter runway can lead to overrunning the runway, brakes overheating, tires blowing out and whatever that might lead to.
It all depends on the situation.
Have you ever heard of the flew/fly theory? If it taxied out and took off that heavy then it can certainly land that heavy after declaring an emergency to cover your ass. Only consideration is how hard was the landing. These planes have g meters buried somewhere to measure touchdown(impact) . I have made overweight landings and maintenance already knew the amount of g on landing before I got to the gate, they pencil whipped the log book and we were back in the air. If something hits your Delta jet you land at the nearest suitable airport. You don't climb up to altitude and fly 3 hours to your destination.
I like the "Delta 640 we are Declaring an Emergency for you"
😂
"on your behalf" I think they had to to authorize the landing.
Facilitate routing priority
And then the pilot just moved on without skipping a beat. You can tell everyone was in their comfort zone and they were just following procedures like a well practiced team
Boys and girls....that is a totally professional, confident, and experienced pilot in charge of that aircraft !!
I have never heard a Delta pilot or any commercial pilot start sobbing and yelling and quivering and hyperventilating or losing control of his bowels whilst handling an emergency. So that said....pretty normal. They are professionals by the way. Your observation is puzzling.
Boys and girls....that is a situation that is a non issue !!
The pilots callouts on radio show his experience.
@@friendhui4320 When you are in the industry for a few years, you realize that if you don't see flames and/or are not upside down, you have little to worry about. With the possible exception of the length of your next layover....
Really?! Professional?! A "professional" pilot would turn back and land o=immediately when he knew he hit something. This was anything BUT professional. What would you be saying had he continued and the plane went down? Yeah, right.
Fantastic work by both parties. That is textbox co-operation and was a pleasure to listen to. Well done ATC and the Delta crew. 👍👍
Exactly what I was thinking.
I just play flight simulator not a real pilot but I did stay at a holiday in express last night.🙃
The professionalism of all involved was very impressive. Helps with passenger confidence level.
Agreed.
Really everyone who flies should hear this.
It would explain more plane movements and the frequent delays.
FlightAware shows the plane took off again from JFK at 11:51AM, about 2 hours after landing. Wipe the blood off, check the tires, and off we go.
With a busted windshield😂
To those questioning hitting a bird at FL 8,000, migratory birds have been known to fly from 20,000 to even 35,000 feet.
The FL's start at 18K feet
"35,000...." Really?? Not much oxygen at that altitude, and kinda hard for most birds to fly in air that thin which reduces the efficiency of any lift they are trying to maintain.
Try a Google search…
The Griffon Vulture can fly up to 37,000 feet. Some geese have been known to fly that high.
FL180 is the lowest flight level in the USA. Flight levels can start lower offshore or in other countries.
I worked on a certain, unnamed military aircraft back in the early 90's. Did a repair for a bird strike that went right through the radome and hit the pressure bulkhead, denting it and giving the copilot a scare as it was right in front of the rudder pedals. They did a DNA analysis on the, uh, goo that was left and discovered it was a turkey vulture. Well, they put tarps over the radome while they did the initial investigation. It was 100 degrees on average for two weeks and thunderstorms every day. By the time I got to work on it, that 'vulture goo' had been rotting in the humid Louisiana sun for two weeks. I can still smell it. The odor is seared into my psyche. That wasn't the only bird strike I've worked on, but it certainly was the worst.
My heart was in my mouth listening to this. My son is a pilot also and cant imagine the nerves it takes to do their job! Bless you all!
Talk to your son about this. He wouldn't want you worried. I only ever flew gliders but flying is fantastic and generally very safe.
Everyone is so calm and matter-of-fact
@@AlmostReady504 What did you expect? Real life is like Airplane the movie. Piloting rule number one. Fly the plane all the way until it crashes.
My son-in-law is a pilot. What I worry about is not a pilot error but something totally out of his control. There have been car wrecks where someone is driving safely and another car rams into him killing them all. I know my SIL is extremely safety conscious but as a Mom, I worry.
This interaction between the pilot and ATC was how it should go. You can tell both the pilot and ATC were putting the safety of that jet first. I hope when I take a passenger jet that my pilot is that polished.
Had this pilot put his passengers and people on the ground FIRST, he would have gone back into Boston instead of continuing and THEN later deciding he needed to land. He put his company first, NOT the people.
Or if the pilot is from Warsaw, I hope he’s Polish-ed!
Obviously you have issues@@billmiller3425
Wrong decision from the pilot. It could have gone wrong when he distanced the aircraft further from the airport. He should have landed the aircraft immediately birds strike or not.
How about we accept that the pilot and crew who WERE THERE and the controllers they dealt with handled it? FAA seemed to be OK with how they handled it. Maybe you should consider that you WERE NOT THERE.
I retired recently as an FAA controller after 33 years... Good job, guys!
Air trafffic controllers are some of the most professional people. Very calm and clear in communication, very well aware of potential big consequences if they make a mistake.
Congrats, I know what you Guys go through. Tougher job than people think...33 years!
@@jaxcell Yeah they do an awesome job. Just listen to them talking. Some of the most professional people.
The highest reported bird-strike took place at 37,000' on November 29, 1973; a commercial jet airliner collided with a Ruppeli's Griffon Vulture over Abijan, Ivory Coast.
Updraft off the hot land...
How was it breathing? Curious as to how accurate that conclusion was in 1973.
That was my immediate thought also.. @@rocknewtonfilsterwilly7364
@@rocknewtonfilsterwilly7364: Agreed....perhaps a set of scuba gear tanks ??
@@rocknewtonfilsterwilly7364It was definitely accurate or do you think pilots in 1973 couldn’t read their altimeter?
Only because human can’t breath in that altitude, doesn’t necessarily mean animals can’t? That would conclude that penguins can’t live at minus -50 Celsius or fish can’t breathe under water?
what a coincidence, I was just reading about birds the other day. apparently some storks, condors and even swan have been recorded at 10,000 to 15,000 feet.... really impressed.
Impressive, for sure. Although it sticks to 18000 ft, which is lower than some, the one that impresses me is the Bar tailed Godwit. They migrate from Alaska to Australia and fly it nonstop since they can't land on water. One they'd tracked with a satellite tag flew 11 days, 1 hr straight in order to cover 8400 miles. It's pretty hard to imagine.
I hit a bird in Afghanistan around 1000 feet. Feathers still on the radom all the way back to qatar
@@lornes7526 Birds stay below 18,000 feet because none of them have the instrument rating that is required by law to operate in the flight levels....
Storks?! carrying babies that high !!!
The highest reported bird-strike took place at 37,000' on November 29, 1973; a commercial jet airliner collided with a Ruppeli's Griffon Vulture over Abijan, Ivory Coast.
A pilot in the air force who flew mostly over the Pacific Ocean, said his biggest fear was bird strikes, no way of knowing where or when, had stories of them taking out engine and windshield.
Some dear friends of mine have a couple of small planes and often fly from Washington to Canada. I worry about them hitting a flock of geese.
What? So..... how long can a bird stay airborne @ 35,000 ft.? How fast do they fly? Whatever the time/speed, divide it by 2. Whatever that half distance, the pilot over the Pacific no longer needs to worry about birds Beyond that. Get it?
You haven't heard stories of birds taking out an engine over the Pacific Ocean. There aren't any birds at 30k ft and above. There are Himalayan geese that "can" fly to 27k, but thats rare, and that isn't the pacific ocean.
Taking off and landing?
Why would a bird want an aircraft windshield?
He almost said it left off a pretty good "explosion" but changed his mind midword. So he ended up saying that it "...let off a pretty good 'ex... sound' in the cockpit." He stayed cool as a cucumber. Way to go!
It sounded like the noise was above and behind them, a pretty odd location for a bird strike of any significance. I'm curious what any inspection showed as well.
The two highest-flying bird species on record are the endangered Ruppell's griffon vulture, which has been spotted flying at 37,000 feet (the same height as a coasting commercial airplane), and the bar-headed goose, which has been seen flying over the Himalayas at heights of nearly 28,000 feet.
Wrong decision from the pilot. It could have gone wrong when he distanced the aircraft further from the airport. He should have landed the aircraft immediately birds strike or not.
Perrigrine Falcons.
Dive from 10k feet.
There are 2 that live in downtown Boston.
@@xh3598he couldn’t land immediately. He was full of fuel and too heavy to land safely!
The two highest flying turkeys are said to be Joe Biden & Chris Christie...
@@thekingsilverado3266 justin trudeau included
Nice to see ATC take over the decision making and be receptive to the flights needs, so the pilots can focus on working the problem.
Your viewers want at least 2 things: What did they hit and what was the damage!
As I mentioned in the video, i don't know what it was for now. I got only audio. Unfortunately, I do no have resources to find out what they hit.
Sep 18, 2023 · According to officials at Joint Base Charleston, the F-35B Lightning II jet “suffered a mishap” over "North Charleston, South Carolina"
Very good report. No speculation just the facts. Thank you as well for your personal connection.
Fascinating. Thanks very much. Glad all ok.
Student pilot here. During my first solo XC last month I passed some corn husks at 5100 in central Missouri. Ass pucker moment to say the least. Goes to show you never know what you may bump into up there!
Curiously trying to understand your story from out here "west of the west". The highest ground elevation I could find in Missouri is 1772 feet MSL. Either I misunderstood something, or that was some very healthy corn?
You are correct, and I indeed encountered what is believed to be two separate pieces of corn husks at around 5100 MSL. I did a deep dive on the possibility of this occurring, and from at least one meteorologist, they indicated that the paper thin corn husks can travel tens of miles under dry conditions, just after harvest, if the winds are just right. I recall that day, when I was climbing out that I could see in the distance numerous dust devils. In addition, it was extremely turbulent with high humidity and lots of thermals. I have a 20,000 hour captain friend of mine who also flies GA and he said he has never encountered anything like that. I would’ve thought I was seeing things myself if it had not been for the other pilot at 6500 who called Whiteman Air Force Base just after my call with the same observation.
wow I didnt Know they made moonshine that High,,who Knew..
@@jeff0stl
@@DistracticusPrime Laughing at your comment because it sounds like you think he was saying corn grew that high. I understood it to mean that they had been harvesting the crop and a couple of husks got caught up in the wind and was drifting around on the current at that altitude. Could happen.
Not uncommon at all to see corn husks during harvest time. The husks get caught in thermals and are carried to pretty high altitude--as high as the thermals. I remember one fall day just after a cold front passed when I was towing gliders--terrific soaring day. I saw husks all afternoon. The next day they were lying everywhere.
Still remember when the NBA basketball team hit something that pushed the whole nose cone in like something heavy hit them
I drove a flatbed for 40 years. I was on Hwy. 16 in Texas, after a hurricane. Nothing on the road for miles. Falcons where on every fence's pole like they were at church. I was hauling 80-tons of pipe. I knew something was wrong. I look down the road, see a black bird over 4ft. tall. This was before cell phones. I started slowing down. I know tall Jack rabbits and Turkey Vulture, owls. The bird opens its wing that reach both sides of the 2-lane road. I keep a steel hand pipe with me. If I hit this Thunderbird, I might just, piss it off a bit. Its neck was the size of my arm. Its heads were the size of my fist. So, I kept slowing down, as I work on options. As I hit the horn, 300ft. away. So, I just kept slowing down. Then it started hopping off the road, which there was some roadkill animal. I did not say anything about this, incident to the 50 other drivers of the Houston company which I was an employed. A crazy story can find you unemployed. Another time I was working late at New Terminal, at Navigation road. I look way up into the sky, just before dust, to see about 5 or 6, giant birds.
The bird looked bigger than Eagles.
Thats pretty wild!
I was a new hire at Anadarko north of Houston. Just across from my 27th-floor office door was a floor-to-ceiling window on the hallway, right where a bump-out began. I came out of my office one day to find a HUGE buzzard perched on a sloped stone window surround -- right against the glass. It was massive. The opposite side of the building had a balcony with some mechanicals serving the upper floors. One of my colleagues had a distracted visitor in her office one day; my colleague glanced over her shoulder to see a massive vulture sitting on an AC unit sunning its wings. Did I mention we were the HR department?
My ex-wife
So... a bird-like monster with a 20 ft wing span and only about 4 ft high, but with multiple relatively tiny heads?
@@geargeekpdx3566 lol! Same here
Very happy to hear all the professional actions. Also pleased to say that Delta is my Preferred airline
In awe, so professional.
Excellent work on your part. New sub!
Very professionally done. Good communication, ATC and pilot checking with each other frequently.
They must have edited out the dead spaces.
Glad everyone was ok and not hurt.
Coolest guys in the cockpit !
Vultures, like the "Griffon" can fly as high as 37,000', unbelievable as it seems.
I hit a bird leaving MSY at just below 10,000'. It was a small blackbird of some type. Saw it clear as day on my windshield.
I hit a bird at 110mph in my car, does that count? 😂
Birds not uncommon around New Orleans including around the airport in Kenner. At times seagulls and small groups of pelicans near and over Lake Pontchartrain and seasonal migratory birds in large numbers all over. A small blackbird at that altitude does seem fairly unusual. Possibly some type of weather/updraft forced it to that altitude.
Pp00
So what did he hit….?
Just googled how high can geese fly and the answer is wild! No pun intended. 20 or 30k high!
It would be difficult to improve on the comms all the way around. Clear speaking, etc. Very good. of course, it was not (apparently) an urgent matter and that makes it easier. But, nevertheless, it's good to hear a situation addressed calmly and thoughtfully.
“Oh we’re not sure we hit a bird but we’ll take the number.” 😂😂😂
Because it had to be little Johnny's Mavic 2 pro...
... and?
THAT part
Hey, could you make a video on the flight ACA80 CYYZ to Tel Aviv? They had a mechanical problem on Oct. 2 and they divirted back to CYYZ, and could you kindly create a video about it? By the way, my mother and grandpa were on that aircraft to Tel Aviv so it will mean a lot if you post a video about it. 😁😁
More unknown objects UP in the SKY than what most have ANY idea.
God bless the ATC and the pilots. They made the right call.
I fly frequently, although I don't know what they hit, several years ago on a flight out of Chicago, heading to LAX, a UFO flew past our jet. We were at 40,000" and heading south by south west, at 500 mph when this silver/white cigar shaped craft flew past us heading north. Y'all be safe out there.
A UFO? Really...what were you smoking or drinking?
I was at 6,500ft over the Sierra's and started to hear a clank like someone dropping a metal nut on a piece of flat tin. I thought it was something coming loose on my plane's windshield. I heard it about three times and finally spotted what looked like a grasshopper/black dot flying at me. It hit my windshield verifying the noise was a large bug. I have no idea why they were up there, but those poor bugs got all the way up there only to get smacked by my plane.
Any follow up on what hit/was thought to have hit the aircraft? Is there a balloonist dead in a field somewhere or a drone down? What was it?!?
If it was a drone, we would know for sure.
Not seeing the damage it's anybodys guess. Invisible planes? What?
it was Wonder Woman
There was some other video footage showing it was Tony Stark. 😆
@@lamarw7757Even if it wasn't a drone there is a high possibility that's what they will call it as.
The pilots said they hit something that they didn’t think was a small bird. It alarmed them enough to make the call. Then they did nothing else and said they would continue to PBI. I can guarantee you THAT raised the antennas of ATC. Regardless of what the instruments were showing, there could have been substantial damage to the aircraft. The controllers declared an emergency on their behalf because the pilots were reluctant to. I’ve declared three emergencies. They were all non-events as far as “paperwork” everyone always talks about.. Their dispatcher/ops probably wanted them to complete the flight BEFORE maintenance got involved then the crew called back. That’s usually what ops wants to do: complete the flight. If I hit something and knew it was large enough to hear a “large bang” and call atc about you can bet the passengers heard it too. I would have burned fuel and went back to BOS and maybe considered an overweight landing (yes, that’s a thing….and it then requires expensive inspections but usually not repairs” but may have considered JFK if the issue wasn’t imminently urgent for immediate landing. But I wouldn’t have wanted to continue to PBI. Oh, and before you ask, professional airline pilot, 11,000+ hours, ATP and multiple jet type ratings including A320. But your mileage may vary. Just saying what I would have done.
its only a 3.5h flight and a320 can easily handle 5h+ flights in the air. would they have fueled the plane fully for the run from BOS to PBI ? or do they load the correct amount of fuel with a reserve ?
Wow. Another person who was in the cockpit commenting, and having all knowledge. Please continue.
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Had the same happen to a flight when they were climbing out at night and the sound of a gunshot rang out in the flight deck... There was no smoke or loss of cabin pressure, but the noise/shot came from the Co-pilot side. They immediately leveled off and contacted ATC about it... Then the copilot noticed a bat wing still stuck on part of the window in from of him... they RTB to have the window checked for cracks...
@@christerry1773are you an airline pilot who flies the a320 with 11,000+ hours? They OBVIOUSLY Hit something, knew it, and broadcast it to atc and should have rtb a lot sooner. Pretty much end of story but go on.
where there any aircraft flying at FL that could have dropped a chunk of ice...?
Happened to me on a flight from rome to london,above paris something hit our plane with a loud bang.when we landed there was a man shining a touch at a dent in the nose cone,never did find out what we,d hit.
well handled by all
I wonder if it might have been a Sandhill Crane? That is within their various "cruising" altitudes, and this is migration season from the north to Florida. I saw (but mostly heard) a ton of them transiting Illinois over the Thanksgiving weekend.
I was at 6000 coming over Kennedy and the controller told me the guy ahead of me reported a drone flying around at 5000
What was the emergency??? No wonder the pilots stayed cool, calm and collected. There was no emergency. ATC declared one for them to give them priority for landing. That's all folks.
If no emergency why did they divert? The pilot indicated some "abnormal feedback on the flight deck."
@@wintercame I agree. But they waited a bit too long; they should have declared an emergency as soon as they "hit something" and returned to Boston, especially since they didn't know exactly what happened. Calling company maint/ops was a waste of time because all they want you to do is complete the flight and don't cause inconvenience ta pax.
@@jorgeB767-3ER
I've been reading through the comments looking for someone to say it - should have declared PANPAN, returned to BOS for overweight landing.
Was there any damage to the aircraft??
souls on board call out on final always gives me the chills
When I was in VF-101 my F-14 training squadron one aircrew had a bird strike at 500 knots.
We thought it went down the inlet but in fact the bird went through the side of the inlet then into the engine, FOD’ing it immediately.
I couldn’t believe the mass size of the hole in the Tomcat after they landed.
Meanwhile, Jimmy the paraglider hasn’t been seen for a couple of days…
any photos of plane after landing ?
Glad everyone was safe.
UAP?
Pilot said they didn’t think it was a bird.
Very interesting. Especially the flight deck's tone when they stated it was not a bird strike. And sounds like there may have been damage. Does the FAA come in if EMERGENCY is declared, or only Delta for the inspection? Curious about what was found at the impact site, and the nature of any damage... That was a lot of work, thank you for building and sharing.
UFO
He didn't say that it wasn't a bird strike. Details are important and this is exactly how bad information is passed along. He said he wasn't sure or he didn't know if it was a bird strike. Could've been some idiot with a high end remote "drone". But case and point, you stated that the pilot said it wasn't a bird strike and the first response to your comment was "UFO" from someone who couldn't wait for the opportunity to inject that kind of a conspiracy theory. Details matter.
@@Quillons1 A drone in this situation would be considered a UFO by definition until it is identified as a drone. No conspiracies here.
@@Quillons1shows who actually is the one making a mistake is you, do you not know what UFO means if they don't know what hit them its a UFO
@@Quillons1 What consumer drone, even high end, reaches 8k ft? asking for a friend
They hit a gender reveal balloon..
😂
Lol too funny.
It was a Non Binary Balloon hence the confusion
Underrated, bruh.
Lol
“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy” (Hamlet, 1.5. 165-66).
Few more minutes on the 080 and they would be right in the middle, between JFk and BOS. Could have just returned to BOS.
Probably just a bird. I hit one last night at nighttime about 1600ft up on approach. It didn't look like a bird and it sounded like a golf ball hit my windshield, but when we did the walk around inspection, it was definitely a bird.
It happened again the following week at night time, this time it was at 2000ft on approach to the same runway.
You noticed it at 16000 feet. Does not mean you hit it at 16000 feet.
Sully still holds the world record for mass bird murders on a single flight.
🤣🤣👍
Thanks man, I needed that chuckle.
It was not birds. The day before the flight in question, the Right/Engine Compressor was replaced. Birds might have cause one of the engines to fail, but not the other.
I flew heavy jets in and out of boston...lots of birds and narrow taxiways
I'm amazed at the amount of times they were handled off to another person having to change channels.
Birds usually fly relatively low. Most of the year, they stay under 500 feet. During migration, though, birds gain altitude, and many species fly at 2,000 to 5,000 feet or much higher, using prevailing winds to assist them. A bird may begin migration at about 5,000 feet and climb above 20,000 feet. Birds can fly higher as they become lighter. The record flight is for a Ruppell's Griffon which was unfortunately sucked into a jet engine at 37,900 feet.
One bird.keep that in mind
Sure, only one bird was confirmed to be at 38,000, but 20,000 is not all that uncommon. At 8,000 feet, like we have here, very common for many different birds.
@@timmack2415 38000 feet I highly suspect it's not true. Just some updraft and the bird was dead.
@@wanaraz A Ruppells Griffon was seen flying and got sucked into a jet engine. It's documented. Look it up, research is an amazing thing. Migratory birds are routinely seen above 20,000 feet.
@@wanaraz "Rüppell's griffon vultures have been documented as having reached heights of over 36,000 feet (10,973 meters) above sea level......" Do some research before you publicly embarrass yourself 😉
Hi Blancolirio. Awaiting your analysis!
Lol
No, there are far too many, much more interesting events to cover. A thump on the outside followed up by nothing happening won't make the cut...
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225 - I'm interested in what he thinks of the decision to continue a flight over water after hitting something. I'm sure they'll have pictures of the smears on the plane by then.
@@GWNorth-db8vn
I'm sure that Juan could say something interesting about the scenario but I'm skeptical that he will. He's very busy, I don't think this will make it into his schedule, but we'll see. Time will tell...
Sorry but Juan past this one on to Dan.
What are the criteria of ATC declaring an emergency 'on your behalf' when you haven't done so yourself?
Two months ago ???? Nice to find out ! You know it wouldn't be on the news! But thanks !
any news on what did they hit?
That pilot sounds like Sully
That’s what I was thinking also 🥴
Me too!!!
Same here. I just searched the comments to see if anyone else noticed that and here we all are.
He retired though, and didn’t work for Delta.
@@saxmanb777 I know:) I wasn’t saying it’s actually him, just that they sound alike, IMO
solution, put high quality cams on the planes to view the four directions
The speed at which they talk is very impressive to me. It would seem that to be an air traffic controller, you’d have to be tested for good hearing and speech comprehension at those speeds? I know my comment seems elementary but I find their dialogue fascinating.
Did anybody verify that the plane was struck and by what or damage did they see and is the plane still in service?
Too early for Father Christmas, unless it was an air test maybe.
I wonder if it was a weather balloon? They climb to over 100k ft but then descend on a parachute. If you hit something light and soft at 300 mph it can be like hitting something hard much slower.
I sat here watching right to the end only to be disappointed by the fact that you had no information about what happened or if there was any damage.
Did not know birds could fly above 10,000 considering oxygen levels wow
hmmmm 8000 < 10000 last time I checked. Also as a pilot we can go to 12.5 without oxygen for a time
said 8k but ok - btw they up to 35K feet
Humans have climbed Mt. Everest without O². That should put the bird talk away.
Waite a sec. My ex-wife flies between 10 and 10,000 feet. Do they have a general description of what hit them? It might be her.
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I heard that there were some broom bristles embedded in the fuselage 😂
Happy Halloween!
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Worked on a plane that hit 8 geese, nose cone penetrated, windshield shattered, nacelles and wing dinged. Now that was an emergency. This plane was undoubtedly a bird strike. It would have been inspected and/or repaired and returned to service.
Impressive!
The front of an airliner has a pressure bulkhead with awkward shapes. I fly very new 767's and on descent it is not uncommon to hear a loud "slap" noise on the front of the plane from various metal panels "oil canning" or moving into a new position due to pressure changes. This can easily sound just like a bird hitting the airplane, but typically if you hit a bird you see it for a split second before it becomes future airline catering.
I was flying a Dash 8-300 into Burlington, Vermont one night, and we were down at 4000 feet doing about 210 knots/242 mph when we hit an owl or a bat. It hit the windscreen in such a place that if the 35 mm thick heated glass broken, it would have hit my right forehead. The noise was LOUD, and the animal was smeared all up the windscreen and up onto the fuselage. It startled the hell out of me, but other than looking around the goop and feathers when I landed the plane, it caused me no problem.
Thankfully, at Atlantic Coast Airlines were I worked at the time we didn't have inflight meals. If so, I would have avoided the chicken the next day....
If it had feathers it wasn't a bat.
@@guinnog2 Feathers or fur, something was stuck to the windscreen. It wasn't too appetizing....
You caught the bit about “abnormal indication to crew after”? All I can think of is ECS suggesting hull leak, loss of an avionic antenna, or, abnormal rudder response from damage.
On my airbase we heard a T-38 declare an IFE, the instructor stated he may have "lost" his student (in the front cockpit). We rolled out to the end of the parking ramp and watched the jet land as crash crews rushed out there. Turns out as the T-38 climbed out on take off they hit a duck, dead center in the front windscreen. Debris and *yuck* hit the student in the face and knocked him out cold. Fortunately he had his face shield down (protocols) and had minor injuries. You would not believe the mess in that cockpit, took us over two weeks to "de-contaminate" the aircraft...lol BTW the student pilot recovered from a concussion and loose teeth and returned to flight status a couple months later.
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Makes you wonder if that windscreen was serviceable. These are typically rated to 10 lb bird at 400 knots. The F5 front screen was rated to 20 mm cannon I think. T38 trainer was bird rated. Poor pilot!
"Declare an emergency on your behalf" -- why are pilots so reluctant to declare?
For the same reason they didn't return immediately to Boston. Bravado, stupidity and "get-there-itis". They both need to be suspended.
@@billmiller3425 they mentioned that they were talking with dispatch so it wasn't just their decision to continue.
@@billmiller3425lol they won’t be suspended. All they made was a logbook entry and moved on.
Sometimes it's better to shut up and to give the impression to be fools than talk dissipating any doubt.
I say this not to offend but to point out that before talk about something, we should know the rules and procedures in force, as well as the common practice: we are not talking of a crew who went far beyond the minima blind to land without seeing a single clue of the required ones...
Some respect, please.
There was no need to declare emergency according to the situation. They investigate the situation and, as soon as engines are running fine, no problems on flight controls and pressurization systems, sufficient fuel in the tanks and no leak,...not even a Urgency call (PAN PAN) was appropriate. They informed ATC about their doubts, and opted for a "precautionary landing" to check for any hidden damage that could become evident later on, when most of the fuel is already gone and time could become a factor. The controller, suspecting an overweight landing = possible runway overran + possible fire from brakes, decided to alert the fire brigades just in case. It was his call. It happen to me on a test flight. After take off we lost an Inertial Reference System, an item that, even fault, permits to fly with passengers since there are 3 on A320 and 2 are enough. My operating manual doesn't permit to perform anytest flights with failures, so I stated my intention to come back to land to get it fixed to be able to perform the test flight and release the A/C back to the line.
ATC, by his own initiative, pulled over all the other traffic to let me get in as number one to land even if I said 3 times we were not in Distress nor in Urgency. I apologized with other colleagues being delayed for me and, funny, as soon as I broke through the scattered clouds on final approach, I realized they deployed the fire brigades and there were 11 ambulances waiting for us. We were 3 on board, 2 pilots + 1 engineer. A waste of money? No, we considered it as a chance to check emergency drills response...
An emergency is when the airplane is on fire or you are running out of fuel or you only have one plan. If you are in control of the situation, it is not an emergency. However as pilots it is a mandate to declare an emergency if there is a major failure in one of the aircraft systems and necessary to terminate the flight with priority handling. This arm chair critique is useless because we don't know the indications that the pilots received. The job of the pilot is to evaluate the situation and make a determination whether to continue or divert. It is not the company that directs that decision. Initially there may have only been the sound of a hit but further along some message could have appeared on the EICAS to drive the decision to make a precautionary landing at JFK.
On another note back in the 80's we were descending into ATL in a DC9-30 on a completely clear day without any clouds. Passing FL210 a bird hit just above the windscreen with blood and guts evident. The windscreen was not damaged. That was 20,000 feet above the ground. I have no idea what kind of bird it was. Maintenance cleaned the residue and there was no damage. ATP 30K hrs retired
But but but..what hit the aircraft. Jeepers..!
Could have said “Plane mat have hit bird,” and left it at that. I lost 10 minutes of my life there.
I worked that flight down in PBI. We thought they picked up passengers in JFK because the passenger count went up lmao 😂
There are always stranded passengers at JFK. 😂
Yeah what’s up with that, my cousin was stuck there for 24 hours earlier this year.
Before this plane would land, are there resources to get another aircraft to fly alongside and visually inspect for damage?
Chuck Norris wants his frisbee back.
Once while at 15,000 ft. I saw a 2 X 4 maybe 8 feet long flying around. Can only imagine because there were recent tornadoes in the area it was debris from the storm. Of course I called and asked to file a NOTAM. Another time in a C-150 I kept seeing a bright light ahead with a greenish hue. (maybe a landing light on another aircraft) Scanned once for other traffic, then kept my eye on that thing as we closed. I could not see any size to it beyond only a light. It was very bright seemed to pulsate, over a matter of maybe a minute it went under my right wing as I broke left to avoid hitting whatever it was. It was a Kevlar balloon. Yes, you do see some unusual things flying around sometimes.
Do you think it was a risk to continue to climb to their cruise altitude not knowing the true extent of possible damage? The Pilot seemed more than slightly concerned. My point is letting the cabin pressurize after stiking an object seems too big of a risk. I made this comment before the detour to Kennedy so I guess maybe that was my point.
Research the stress level of carbon fiber materials first, then comment.
When you feel or hear a loud bang and initially think it's a bird strike..The first thing to do is level off and assess what has happened because there is No reason to continue to climb or continue to the destination unless you verify it was Nothing..In this case they felt it was something and diverted into JFK..There absolutely NO reason to burn off fuel on a B-739..you just find a long runway, land and have the plane inspected..When in doubt..you divert!
I'll remember that next time I'm flying a B-739!!!
You do that ..I've ben flying them for 20 plus years
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@@hogman1315a I feel for ya having to sit in that noisy cockpit for so long.
Exactly, should have leveled off, maintained current speed or less (in case structural damage), declared a PANPAN, returned to BOS for overweight landing.
Is this the flight that had a horse that got loose in the cargo bay while in flight. I remember hearing about this on the radio
They hit something at 8000 ft. I bet it was a pothole.
Any follow up on what happened?
The FAA reported: "AIRCRAFT STRUCK A BIRD AND POST FLIGHT INSPECTION REVEALED DAMAGE TO THE PITOT TUBE, ATLANTA, GA."
The aircraft remained on the ground in Atlanta for about 10 hours before returning to service.
@@MrSCOTTtheSCOT Would the Pitot tube be above and behind them?
don't know where its on that plane but as its that sticky out contraption that gives them air speed info and other sensors, I guess damage to it must have caused readings on the flight instruments , that they identified as been anomolous to call an emergency and abort the flight in a direct return to a alternative airport from their departure to get inspected. @@jimmarshall5453
So, did they find out what they hit? Are the birds on oxygen when flying at 20,000? I think certain birds should have built-in TCAS systems as well :)
birds are not equipped with transponders yet
@@yrunaked4. Then we should ask the FAA for an enforcement action on the high (12.5k) flying birds. But then, the FAA might tell me where to put it. I was thinking on the back of the birds. ;-)
Canadian Geese migration time. Peak arrival in the US is Sept & Oct. No doubt thats what they heard bouncing off the fuselage
I'm wanting on the photos!
"Is it Mr. Burns' plane? Smithers is an excellent pilot!"
So was it a bird or drone or Cessna . Sadly Air Traffic has gone from Bad to Worse with Drone sales which can reach 10K feet and weight over 40Kg. Out in LAX 3 years ago a UAL 737 on final reported a MAN FLYING ABOUT 200 FEET OFF THE LH WING.... seems for 50K$ and your weight under 150 lbs you can buy a jet powered flying wing worn like a Parachute. I see the Big picture and im not in it.
You know i never fly anymore. Its amazing we don't have more crashes.
This bird probably hit right above the windows. A birdstrike happens in the blink of an eye. Been there, even lost an engine to one on TO out of SAC.
Would be interesting to know what the forensics on this impact revealed.
A smear of a greenish blood like substance and a trace of an unidentifiable metallic alloy, the same colour as a tic tac.
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Lol, cite a source on that shit.