MAYDAY, Engine FAILURE, emergency landing. EL AL Boeing 787-9 diverts to Kennedy Airport. Real ATC
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- Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2023
- THIS VIDEO IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION IN FLIGHT:
28-NOV-2023. An El Al Israel Airlines Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner (B789), registration 4X-EDH, performing flight ELY028 / LY28 from Newark Liberty International Airport, NJ (USA) to Tel Aviv Ben Gurion International Airport (Israel) being about 210 miles east of New York declared MAYDAY, requested left engine problem and decided to divert to New York John F. Kennedy International Airport, NY (USA). On the way to New York the crew dumped fuel and reported that the left engine was running at idle power. After landing the airplane continued taxi to the gate.
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THE MAIN VALUE IS EDUCATION. This reconstruction will be useful for actual or future air traffic controllers and pilots, people who plan to connect life with aviation, who like aviation. With help of this video reconstruction you’ll learn how to use radiotelephony rules, Aviation English language and general English language (for people whose native language is not English) in situation in flight, which was shown. THE MAIN REASON I DO THIS IS TO HELP PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND EVERY EMERGENCY SITUATION, EVERY WORD AND EVERY MOVE OF AIRCRAFT.
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1) I monitor media, airspace, looking for any non-standard, emergency and interesting situation.
2) I find communications of ATC unit for the period of time I need.
3) I take only phrases between air traffic controller and selected flight.
4) I find a flight path of selected aircraft.
5) I make an animation (early couple of videos don’t have animation) of flight path and aircraft, where the aircraft goes on his route.
6) When I edit video I put phrases of communications to specific points in video (in tandem with animation).
7) Together with my comments (voice and text) I edit and make a reconstruction of emergency, non-standard and interesting situation in flight.
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Jeez, I’ve flown that Newark-TLV flight many times, 747, 777, 787. Thank goodness, never had a problem.
Great comms by pilot!
Good radio work too.....
Are you joking? They dumped fuel without clearance. Very delayed reactions on their intentions.
@@jordanhare6276 Wrong, during an emergency the controller is to separate and inform other aircraft during fuel dumping, if they are in contact with the emergency aircraft.
A couple of things I noticed. When the controllers ask for fuel in pounds, they should know to ask for kilos or tonnes from international carriers. Also, good job by the tower picking up "QNH" without having to ask the pilot to repeat. To be honest I think I would've missed that one.
He keeps insisting it's "20 kilograms" even after they say it in all possible ways... :
I don't understand why that cannot be transmitted through ACARS. ATC could send a message req, and the pilot accept it and the computer transmit the info down to the controller in real time. What a pain that's gotta be for pilots in an urgent situation.
@@LjL-VideosYeah you’d think that they would be familiar enough with metric measurements to realize that 20kg of fuel is less than half a tank of fuel for a car so might not be the amount remaining for a 787 😂
I'm all new to this. I find it interesting. I guess it is too much to know 2.2 pounds per kilogram, but as a Canadian I know when a plane flew across the country they ran out of fuel because of a mix up between the metric system and the imperial system. Luck would have it that one pilot was also a glider pilot and the other pilot knew of a massive abandoned air strip. They landed safely, but some children will always remember the plane landing beside them as they rode their bicycles on the runway.
I get why they need to know fuel and souls aboard, for safety and search and rescue (or recovery) but wow it’s disruptive. ATC can’t see if it’s a good time to ask, and if you’re trying to run a checklist it’s gotta be annoying because the priority to the pilots is to keep the plane safe.
It's essential information for the airport's emergency protocols and the flight crew are at liberty to provide it when ready. There's no expectation they would interrupt a check list to do so!
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Evidently, always adding Mayday to their call sign must be in their OP Specs for some reason. I thought it strange, but it's no different than adding Lifeflite to medivac flights.
Perhaps it would be a good idea for controllers dealing with international flights to have conversion charts available so they can do the conversion instead of adding to the already extra workload crews like this are experiencing.
I was thinking the same thing with regard to the fuel on board. I've heard different controllers ask for it in different measurements... they shouldn't have to take time to convert in the cockpit. With adding mayday to the end of each transmission, it helps keep other aircraft or listeners who have joined the frequency after the initial call out that there is another aircraft in emergency status.
Adding "mayday" to your callsign is a great way to make sure that stations that are new on the frequency are clued into the fact that there is an aircraft in distress.
What I don't understand is why pilots in the US say "declaring an emergency" when the international standard is "MAYDAY" and "PAN PAN".
Is amazing how calm the pilots are. I'd've been freaking out lol
This is why you aren't a pilot. LOL
It’s training. Same reason nurses don’t panic when they have a person’s heart stop. It’s easier to stay calm if you know what the plan is. If you start to freak out, you can take a deep breath and think about the next step in the plan.
I would do. Some of these video's i'm over here gasping for air just listening.
piss off@@JohnSmith-zi9or
@@chocolatecoveredgummybears That wasn't kind.
I'm surprised he didn't divert to BOS.
20 kilograms , like a large bag of dog food.
Believe piolet reported 20,000 tonnes
Hey do you have delta 1943 nov 26 return to kennedy with bird strike? Around 830pm local time
Hey, i know about their return but haven't listened an audio yet.
"Dump fuel" ?
Like just "dropping it out" while flying?
My God. The controller. Seriously....
Armchair pilot here, is it a bit of a worry fuel dumping started without authorisation from ATC? Pretty dangerous I would have thought if other aircraft were in the vicinity.
It should be requested but it’s not necessarily required in an emergency.
As far as dump clearance - given the proximity to Nantucket, perhaps they said Fack-it 😅
Considering the flight path and the fact that the flight crew may not be all that familiar with the U.S., should the controllers have suggested the plane divert to Boston rather than heading all the way back to JFK?
Oh I figured that they chose JFK because LY has more flights (hence bigger ops) from JFK over BOS or EWR.
Controllers wouldn’t really suggest airport diversions over others. That’s 100% up to the pilots with some dispatcher input if time permits.
I know how annoyed I get when someone is trying to talk to me while I’m working so I can imagine it must be even more annoying for pilots running a checklist. 😂
They should really have asked permission before dumping fuel.
How much fuel?
20 tonnes....20000 kilograms
Roger, 20 kilograms
is it procedure to say mayday every single time?
could be in their system
often they just say "emergency aircraft" and sometimes they only say it when changing tower frequencies
Uncommon in the US, but common elsewhere, AFAIK.
@@LjL-Videos Europe has always been a little stuck in the past.
@@RLTtizME the US has always been a little stuck in inability to communicate understandably. Maybe that's why they shoot at each other instead. Easier to understand. Also, clearly Israel is in Europe now... 🙄
Should they have declared Mayday or just Pan-pan?
Fuel reaming Checks 55, are the lavatories clean, meals available? 😂
I’m sure you think that’s funny, but ATC needs that info to pass on to the airport - the amount of fuel helps the fire dept know what level of fire they’ll have to deal with; the fuel helps the tower determine which runway is optimal for an overweight landing, and where the emergency vehicles should be stationed.
@@wotan10950 Fully briefed on the procedure. What needs to be done is have this information forwarded by the controllers om hand off in the comfort of their chairs and removed from the workload of pilots in hyper critical emergencies. Its ridiculous in this age of technology. Absolutely absurd.
ATC is so annoying in all these videos, asking so many questions
How so?
Questions save lives.
These questions save lives if God forbid the worst happens the number of people on board, how much fuel they had, and so many of the other details constantly being passed on could help piece together what happened and whether or not there are any survivors.
@@AryehH not a pilot here, but please don’t ignore common sense question. Why aren’t/why not the very basics of; 1) souls on board; 2) fuel in BOTH US & EUROPEAN pounds, kilos, tonnes, etc; 3) onset & finish of fuel dumping AUTOMATICALLY forwarded from one ATC frequency to the next one until the plane is safely on the ground? Isn’t that possible &/or has the FAA been frozen out of drastically updating its comms systems?
Those questions can help prepare airport personnel. The number of souls alerts the fire brigade how many people they should be aware of, and what to expect in case of an emergency evacuation. The amount of fuel helps determine which runway will be most favorable in case of an overweight landing, malfunctioning flaps or landing gear, as well as how much fuel is onboard in case of fire.
Become a pilot! And enjoy a long career of repeating yourself over, and over, and over... to ATC that don't seem to understand the basics of commercial aircraft.
Must've been a terrible inconvenience to the passengers who didn't make it on time to their destination: AN ACTIVE WARZONE!!!
You are a little testy. Not good pilot material for sure.
Slack, slow and out of precision. They did not ask to dump fuel, but just dumped. The return to JFK seemed very slow and slopppy. Weird.
ZNY, not your finest hour guys. We, the tax payers and airline transport pilots, expect better. Perhaps the privatization of ATC is needed in the USA.