The native Americans have legends of giant, red haired, six finger giants, that run the lands in America. They claim they were so big that they could run beside a herd of buffalo and scoop one up in their arms and keep running. That’s a very large person that can grab a buffalo up and its arms and keep running. And they fit the description of Nephilim six finger giants. Oh, and the tribe said that all the tribes in the area had to band together to kill the Giants because they became carnivorous and started to eat all the other tribes. All of this fits very well with the Nephilim of the Jewish faith.
True. There were some in the Great Lakes area too. The original Erie people were tall, redheads, and had some type of magical power to control the weather. The story of Paul Bunion is based on a real individual that was probably a hybrid. He had great strength and 2 rows of teeth. Not sure about 6 fingers.
yes they were apparently living in Arizona/Utah areas. Apparently, according to skywatchtv tv and the late dr tom horn the Smithsonian museum was responsible for covering up giant discoveries in the Grand Canyon etc. Apparently ,this was because the existence of Giants contradicts (ludicrous) evolutionary theory. Clearly the antidiluvian world was far more developed and interesting than we are led to believe. For more see the excellent work of la marzuli - on the trial of the nephelim.
I've heard of multiple world-famous basketball players born with extra digits 🤔 Height, six fingers on each hand... And the six-finger thing is apparently hereditary, not an oddball defect. Interesting
I know it’s antidotal but two angels appeared as young women while I was traveling alone in Germany. I found myself in a dangerous situation at the Munich train station at night, by myself on a train platform with a man threatening me. They appeared on a bench, gave me correct instructions regarding the corrected train to catch, stayed with me until I boarded and when I turned to thank them, but they were gone! Impossible to get out of my sight on a large empty platform, they were absolutely not human. In this situation, God sent angels in human female form. Whether they were actually female beings 🤷♀️
Hi susanholland5633 - I had a very similar experience in Holland many years ago. (I am from Germany) While travelling from England to Germany I lost my way - and could not find the border crossing. It was late at night and I had 2x small children in the car. I was running out of fuel as well. My map was 15 years old and the border crossing had moved. I prayed and without any delay a large 'patrol car with 2x large patrol men' were right in front of me. They stopped and I asked them where the border crossing was and where I could get petrol from with German money. They told me to follow them and they led me to a petrol station which accepted German money - and then they led me to the border crossing some distance away. We left the town and drove through a dark large woodland area and I became a bit nervous - not knowing who they were and I was contemplating to stop and to turn around, but then I saw the lights from the border crossing. I thanked them and they drove off. When I looked back they were gone - but I should have seen the red back lights from the car. I often thought about it afterwards and I am convinced that they were angels. >>> P.S. the word you are looking for is not 'antidotal' (as antidote means = cure for a poison) >>>> but you want the word "anecdotal" which means = 'a story being told' - Hope you don't mind me pointing this out to you xx
Most Christians really don't believe in the supernatural and yet they celebrate Christmas and Easter. Crazy isn't it!. Thanks for your testimony and I also have had a beautiful experience with angels on both sides of the unseen realm. Too long to describe here but absolutely NO doubt it was real. I highly recommend watching the documentary by the late Dr Michael Heiser called The Unseen Realm. It connected many many dots for me!!. ❤❤
I got saved by two angels,I was getting kicked to death by a large gang of punks,a large crowd of people were spectating then 2 big angels came out of nowhere 1 of them yelled out one in ,one out.everyone was terrified and scuttled off like cockroaches .
@@wbdangelos8393 what message were the angels delivering when they pulled lot out of Sodom? What about the angels that Elisha asked the Lord to reveal? What about the angel of the passover in Egypt? How about the ones who ministered tonthe Lord after he fasted and was tempted? Angels don't always deliver messages. Sometimes they just intervene for the glory of the Lord. If we sometimes "entertain angels unawares" there's no "message" to be had there. They aren't just "messengers" they are beings who are charged to do the will of God, and there is biblical precedent for that meaning that they sometimes supernaturally intervene to save His people.
When my 6.6 pound daughter was born there was a family on the waiting room with us the dad was prolly close to 7 feet tall and about 400 lbs, the son who looked to be about 12 years old was my about my size 6 foot 185, i didn't meet the mom but we heard the dad come out to the rest of his family and say we have a healthy baby boy 14 lbs 4 ounces
If the guy was that big, yeah, his wife was probably going to have a big baby. On the other hand My small frame teacher in High school with an average husband gave birth to a 13.8 pound baby.
Listening to you guys talk about other cultures' legends and myths of giants, its interesting to think how we have thoroughly sanitized and *naturalized* our religion. Where we today tend to reject out of hand anything that smells of supernatural. I think we need to return to a supernatural worldview because thats the mileu in which the scriptures appear to have been written
- Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” - Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever`` for he is indeed flesh - Rom 8:8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years Rom 8:13 ..... the deeds of the body, you will live. - So there were people who lived according to the Spirit,and they lived 6 -7 800 years...And they were those carnal..They started to mingle,and flesh took over...And till today,flesh dominate.. -with man forever..men of renown...the wickedness of man...sorry that He had made man/not nephilims,can you believe? So many ``man``looks like God screaming helloooo MAN,do not immagine,buy yet GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every IMAGINATION of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
@@perazdera2827i recommend Heisers work on this. Sons of God are usually angels in the OT. We replace them in Gods divine counsel because they have ruled badly (psalm 82). Jude talks about this genesis 6 incident as well (angels taking women)
@@raskolnikov6443 God said ``Lets make a man in our own image`` And thats whats happening..God creating man.. There were Spiritual people and carnal.. Story in Genesis is the same as Adam and Eve..They eat fruit of the flesh..Fleshly wisdom.. Doctrines,interpretations,imaginations.. The same today...Woman again deceived those who hear God.. They created doctrines,dogmas... If I tell you that 2nd coming of God is in flesh..As a Holy Spirit,no more physically coming..Would you believe?! If I tell you can live and never see grave if Spirit of God is in you according to the Rom 8 : 11 (will give life to your MORTAL body) would you believe,or you would go according to church and believe that God is sado - mazo and want you to dlE so that you than live? And I don't even read the Bible..I asked if this is true,you teach me,Im not gonna waste my time to understand what smarter than me didn't get to understand..Little did I know that that is the only way John 6 : 45
God said ``Lets make a man in our own image`` And thats whats happening..God creating man..But God crate by speaking the word,and it come to existence..But if that word is not passed correctly,what do you think happen? There were Spiritual/priests and normal carnal.. Story in Genesis is the same as Adam and Eve..They eat fruit of the flesh..Eve gave Adam,who is heard God not to eat.Eve did not heard.. Doctrines,interpretations,imaginations.. The same today...Woman again deceived those who hear God.. They created doctrines,dogmas... If I tell you that 2nd coming of God is in flesh..As a Holy Spirit,no more physically coming..Would you believe?! If I tell you can live and never see grave if Spirit of God is in you according to the Rom 8 : 11 (will give life to your MORTAL body) would you believe,or you would go according to church and believe that God want you to perish so that you than live? And I don't even read the Bible..I asked if this is true,you teach me,Im not gonna waste my time to understand what smarter than me didn't get to understand..Little did I know that that is the only way John 6 : 45 Soul is problem,soul always choose flesh over spirit..God said if you eat soulish/fleshly you will be gone in a day...No one lived to see 1000 years..And God said to serpent,that her head will be crushed.. so in rev 20 you see some souls without head...And those did reach 1000
Giant bones in Americas old newspapers found when digging eerie canal, repairing Niagara falls, etc. Abraham Lincoln talked about seeing the giant bones near Niagara. Smithsonian lies that there were no giants
@@EJ_7715 aw man I’m currently reading through the Bible in chronological order and haven’t gotten to Zechariah yet! Thanks for the reference though, cool stuff
I was wondering if this was why Abraham was so adamant that Issac not marry a woman from Canan, and why the local wives of Eusa disturbed Issac, and Rebecca so badly 1:52
Ham uncovered his father’s nakedness. That actually means he slept with Noah’s wife. Canaan was cursed by Noah. He was the offspring of Ham sleeping with Noah’s wife.
@@SonofGodNOW it says he drank wine from his vineyard and was drunk and became uncovered in his tent. Then Ham saw the nakedness of his father. I like your point but it doesnt seem to flow as well when reading the text
@@SonofGodNOWyou're spreading some screwed up heresy. It's as simple as Ham mocking his father being naked and Canaan being an unbeliever (can't curse Ham cause he's blessed)
Absolutely riveting. I was glued to this discussion for the entire time. Wow. Loved every minute of this. Thank you both! Can’t wait to watch more about this.
There's a difference between acromegaly ("giantism") and a "legitimate giant" which does not have the joint issues caused by excess growth hormone, the corresponding strain caused by the connective tissue vector changes of those already "overgrown" joints, etc.
Joel: A comment and also a question for Dr. Chaffey. First, I was able to take my family to the Ark at the end of November. What a blessing! Seriously, seeing the size of it as we were on the shuttle was impressive. Also, thinking about how the real one must have looked to the peoples that then lived, it isn't hard to imagine that they would have seen him as a nut. I loved the museum as well. It was such a wonderful opportunity to be able to show my children some of the things - or depictions of some of the things - we've been discussing. The fact that Molech (which was in the Ark) was depicted with a serpentine head was great because I had just been discussing that with my wife. It was wonderful and done, as you said, professionally. Question for Dr. Chaffey. When I was in the book store at the museum, I specifically looked for his book. They didn't have it. I brought it up on my phone and the store manager didn't even know that the book existed. So my question is, why isn't it sold at AIG?
Because AIG is naturalistic. They try and explain miracles through science. Big reason a lot of people dooped by them become atheists. Atheists are more consistent naturalists than creationists.
Pastor Joel, when you talked about your tree being 9 feet tall, I measured my walls and my apt ceiling is just shy of 9 feet tall, and youre right, a 9 foot man would be huge! Couldn't imagine someone 50% larger than that!
At 35 minutes into the video regarding the special features that a giant would need. Remember the extra fingers the extra toes. And some of the legends that the giants had 2 rows of teeth. Remember they weren't fully human. So the engineering may have been geared towards their bodies being much larger and not just a proportional human size.
Even though spiritual discernment cannot be easily conveyed I am as confident of Nephilim being progenitors of dinosaurs as I know my heart beats inside of me
Bad uncles Cosmo craters not creators they messed us around some and then some they put sin in the world dumbed us down created a world of warcraft and short lives
I'm so glad you guys looked into the comments I made and told you where this truth was in the bible. Your on track now. Awesome Jesus is Lord Praise Jesus Christ
This viewpoint changed my understanding of the Old Testament / Torah completely. Now all of the genealogies "taking up space" in the inspired Word of God makes sense. The entire story of the Bible is a story of a genetic war between God and Satan, where God's plan to redeem His creation prevails through preserving the holiness of the Nation of Israel (being "set apart") until the time that the Messiah would come. Meanwhile, from the early days of creation, the enemy's plan was to corrupt the human race genetically as well as culturally / morally. The flood put an early stop to this, and then later when God promised to never again use water to destroy all living things, He instead preserved Israel against the surrounding tribes and showed them grace and mercy and discipline over and over so that He might through them redeem mankind.
That's a shame since Tim, and this whole channel, teach un-biblical Nephilology--and my name, "Ken Ammi" appears favorably in Tim's book since I assisted him with some of the research. Just noted that post-flood, there's no such thing as any, "genetic war": "culturally / morally" sure but "corrupt...genetically" isn't a post-flood issue.
@@Finraen He teaches post-flood Nephilim and that they were subjectively unusually tall (which is the only thing I can contextually imagine that "giants" means: which has nothing to do with the usage of that term in modern English Bibles, BTW). Just noted that post-flood, there's no such thing as any, "genetic war": "culturally / morally" sure but "corrupt...genetically" isn't a post-flood issue.
@@KenAmmi-www.truefreethinker He made compelling arguments for those points in these videos, and presumably does so more thoroughly in his book. You haven’t mentioned any counter arguments. You’re just stating disagreement.
@@Finraen I "haven’t mentioned any counter arguments"? I thought they'd be implied but, very well then: "He teaches post-flood Nephilim" but we've zero reliable indication of that and "that they were subjectively unusually tall" but we've zero reliable indication of that: for those two utterly key, fundamental, assertions he can only appeal to one single sentence form an "evil report" by 10 unreliable guys whom God rebuked. "(which is the only thing I can contextually imagine that 'giants' means: which has nothing to do with the usage of that term in modern English Bibles, BTW)" since it merely renders (doesn’t even translate) “Nephilim” in 2 verses or “Repha/im” in 98% of all others and so never even hints at anything to do with any sort of height whatsoever. And, again, "Just noted that post-flood, there's no such thing as any, 'genetic war': 'culturally / morally' sure but 'corrupt...genetically' isn't a post-flood issue" for which I'll direct you to the entire post-flood OT.
This is the 3 one and i enjoyed all 3. Thank you for not being scared to discuss what's in the Bible. Thats for not trying to down play it like other pastors. It's not a fairytale, it's truth.
If angels ever appear to women to test their kindness, it should hopefully be in female form, as it isn't fair to expect a woman to let a male stranger into, say, her home with her children. I had a man come to my door a few years back here in the country, he was lost and thirsty (but had a vehicle). He was asking for directions to some farm and I gave him water but made him wait on the porch because I was alone with 4 small daughters. I called my neighbor who knows the area well and sent him across the street. Afterwards I wondered what if he had been an angel in disguise, should i have let him in? I don't think so.
@cryptojihadi265 I forgot to add he was an older man probably over 60 and diabetic apparently, but you never can be sure since a limp and distress can be faked. Anyway I just thought it was an interesting conundrum regarding the question of angels ever even temporarily taking the form of a female...it's possible if God tests a woman's kindness to.strangers He doesn't do so while she is alone.
At minute 43 ish the discussion is about how human women could have babies that would turn into be a Giants. I think there’s a possibility that the maturation process on a giant child may have been much longer than a human child. For example, what if they grew until they’re 25?
For what I know human gestation was shortened to make the baby pass the birth channel. So human babies are dependent and defenceless compared to other mammals. On the contrary in Berossos they speak of abortion. Berossos thought it was cannibalism. Probably instead it was a premature birth to ensure human women could deliver giants.Big Dinosaurs, creatures in which existence I personally don't believe, are said to have a very quick development after birth.
Interesting conversation just some perspective… my grandmother was only 5’2” and had seven children. Her fifth child was over eleven pounds and he was her easiest birth. (All but the seventh were born at home. Ironically enough, she wanted to have her last at home too but her doctor told her they were both too old. She was 44. )
I was an 11lb 2oz baby myself, my brothers were 11lb 10oz, 10lb 9oz, and 9lb 2oz. We were all big babies. I I’m a pretty big guy, 6’2 and about 260-270lbs and very muscular, not fat. But there’s definately a lot of babies born in that range
If the external physiology of a giant is different, height, weight, six toes, etc, why wouldn't the internal physiology be likewise different from a normal human? I think extreme height as described in the Bible is feasible, remember, God compares some of the giants to cedar trees.
I'd like to bring up the two different sources for the height of Goliath. One states 4 cubits & a span ( 6'9"), the other 6 cubits & a span ( 9'9"). For those that take the view of the smaller Goliath. Which coincidently, is the same as Tim. I propose a set of Goliath's armor & weapons, made to the exact specifications, then have Tim suit up & we'll see how effective he can be as a warrior! Then we'll see which height the equipment was really made for.
Yes, a 6’,9” man could not throw a spear that had a pole like a weavers beam and an 8 pound head on it. It just wouldn’t be a weapon he would be able to wield.
This is Tim -- Great point! Page 298 of the book includes a picture of me standing next to a replica of Goliath's spear (based on biblical details). There is simply no way someone my size could wield it -- not even close. That entire chapter (#24) covers Goliath's armaments in detail, demonstrating that they were clearly designed for someone much larger than me.
@@TedandLaura Well, spears could be thrown, they are actually long ranged stabbing weapons. Now, the javelin, is throwing weapon. Which Goliath also had.
@@timchaffey5888 Hello Tim! Great to hear from you. I need to find that picture. I searched weaver's beams & they are typically 2.5" to 3" in diameter, too thick for me to wield effectively. I only wear medium gloves. If just the spear is too much for you, I suppose the rest of the equipment wouldn't do either. Just his bronze mail shirt weighed about 125 lbs. That's about half your weight already. OK, you've got the stature, but maybe someone like LeBron James, a body builder or a strong man, might fare better. I would probably throw Shaquille O'Neal in there too, but he's no longer in his prime & he's a tad bit taller. I'm curious to know if anyone of them could pull off the full arsenal.
Gary Wayne covers these topics in his book, Genesis 6 & also very interesting utube videos that connects the dots for anyone who wants an in depth study on these & related topics.
Pastor Joel, regarding the alleged limits of human size and specifically the functioning of the human heart, you might find Thomas Cowen's work interesting. If interested, search his name and "the heart is not a pump". At the very least he will make you think. I really enjoyed this video - thank you.
13:20 Very great perspective. Never occurred to me but that makes sense. Tactical strategy is a prominent trait of the adversary. Thank u for that gem of thought
No matter how long anyone lives they will die with mistaken conjecture on the nature of the universe as well as history. “Much that once was is lost, for non now live who remember it “ Peter Jackson or associate,
😅it’s good that our knowledge of historical conjecture and other speculative notions are not an indication of Salvation; however it might be a pretty good indicator of our fallen nature. lol
I've heard that the earth before the 2nd flood of Noah's day was conducive to things growing taller. (There was no such thing as rain before the flood.)
Steve Quale, Tom Horn, Timothy Alberino are good Bible teachers who have taught extensively about Genesis 6 and the Watchers, Nephilim. Also Derek and Sharon Gilbert.
"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." - Jesus Matthew 22;30, NET The footnotes also indicate that there is a lack of sex and eating of food with regard to angels. This may be why the Messiah often eats when appearing to others (in old and new testament appearances), to distinguish him as the son of man, not an angel.
Is it possible that the colossi at Memnon and the statues at Luxor were the reproductions of the giants who ruled or demanded worship? These things are absolutely huge, some over 1000 tons and made of a single piece of granite. Egyptians could never have made these. Sounds like a job for giants to me.
I think the big glaring issue with the fallen Angel corruption theory is that it gives fallen angels powers that not only good angels don't have but which are identified as exclusive powers or miracles of God: incarnation and the creation of life. On what basis would God reward rebellious angels with divine prerogatives??? That's akin to the anti theonomist idea that rebellious women get to vote and be pastors but obedient women don't. Hardly. The consistent Biblical position is that the rebellious have LESS privilege than the righteous, or at least no more privileges.
Are you "creating life" when you have a child then? If Angels have DNA, would they not just be mixing? rather than creating new life? And they didnt have exclusive powers, they just USED powers/abilities that good angels do not... You are making to many assumptions, you ought not assume when it comes to God.
Finally, someone who is making sense! Angels who took on human form in the Bible were always on mission for God. Clearly, God gave them the ability to assume human form. Nowhere in scripture does it reference fallen angels taking on human form. It's quite a leap to make that assumption just because they rebelled and left heaven, their proper abode. Also, if demons are the souls of the dead progeny of fallen angels and human women, where did the human half of the soul go? Wasn't that half created in the image of God? And why would God send a flood to get rid of this progeny if he knew that when they died they would create even more havoc as demons? Isn't that an attack on God's sovereignty? Anyone else wonder about these things?
@@kristenyurek4490 _"Anyone else wonder about these things?"_ Lots of stuff to wonder about, indeed! This "fallen angels married women" shtick seems like it's getting rubbed in our faces more and more, nowadays. And, if you question or criticize it, its promulgators sanctimoniously try to shame you for not having whatever it is they like to call a "supernatural worldview". I have a _Biblical_ worldview, and Genesis 6 says nothing about fallen angels. To me, it's kind of a shame to see someone promoting the ideology under the aegis of a seemingly-good Biblical Creation/anti-Darwinism organization/publisher like Answers In Genesis. The Bible defines marriage as, without exception, between a man and a woman. People pushing the "fallen angels married women" sensationalism are (whether or not they'd like to admit it) essentially saying "Not so, God!" to God's institution of marriage, right alongside the LGBTQuack movement that has been rapidly destroying civilization. • _"That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."_ (Genesis 6:2) • _"Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD."_ (Proverbs 18:22) OK, so _fallen angels_ obtaineth favour of the LORD? Got it. I saw one video pushing this stuff, in which the speaker quoted the Apostle Paul in Ephesians 6: _"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."_ And I thought: _"Wait a second! The nephilim -- claimed by this popular ideology to be offspring both of flesh and blood (women) on the one hand, and of principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world, spiritual wickedness in high places (fallen angels) on the other: do we, or do we not, wrestle against the nephilim?"_ So much to say on this topic...
In the book of Enoch God says the watchers (angels) can travel by any means they choose and can appear in any form they choose, so why wouldn't they come here and look beautiful to us. Easier to decive someone when you look good as apposed to looking like a monster .
28:00 Another way to determine how big Israelites where is too understand that Aaron's rod was put in the Ark of the Covenant. The box size is only so big so you can determine roughly how tall Aaron was by the length of the budded rod put in the ark. This wasn't very long so would mean that he was well under 6 foot. :)
The specs for the size of the ark are in Scripture and are based on the 'cubit' (the distance between a man's elbow and tip of fingers - about 18 to 21 inches). It is just mathematically and yes, speculative but also within parameters of length, so Aaron's height range would be within the determined range. (based on the length of the almond rod Aaron used and was put in the Ark of the Covenant. @@mattk6719
Amos 2:9 says the Amorite giants were as tall as cedar trees. It’s not figurative language… why discount this passage? Anything is possible when the supernatural is involved.
Tim Chaffey is to the point, he just what is clear in the scripture, and if not something is clear - he says it and discuss different sides. this is really good. reminds me of Dr. Heiser. and also a good host. a good voice to listen to..(and i am not a calvinist)
But Tim teaches un-biblical Nephilology--and my name appears favorably in his book since I helped him with his research. Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved-see these articles for examples: “Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy” “Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “‘All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal’”
I saw a humongous angel when I was 5. Definitely beautiful female with vivid features. Her feet were at the tree tops and her head reached the zenith. She had clothing, a beautiful gown, but couldn't make out feet as light obscured them. Could see her hair. I was able to observe her for a long time on that gorgeous summer night. No interactions or messages. I knew I was seeing an Angel. I tried to get my Mother to see running to and fro to the barn. Whew, the angel had not left. Finally my Mother came to look, but could see nothing
Fallen angels breeding with human women bioengineered a new race, tainting the human bloodline. These angels also bred with animals, creating half-human, half-animal creatures (lots of pictographs in archeology) that we used to think were " just mythological", but were real, as God destroyed animals and humans in the flood to purify the bloodlines.
30:23 it not necessarily on the weight stuff because dinosaurs some of them were so large that they literally could not support their own heads at this present day the atmosphere used to be a lot thicker buoyant
There is no vitamin a in plants, only beta carotene, which 51% of the population cant convert into vitamin a, and the ones that can, only convert 2%. Eat raw local grassfed liver for adequate vitamin a. We used to eat liver once a week a couple generations ago.
Min 30:10 Gilgamesh was around 20 ft tall, who here believes a hybrid giant that size could move around? How much would a creature that tall have weighed? 4.000-5.000 lbs??
This is error... new testament says in Matthew 22: 29-30 [29] Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. [30] For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. It is talking about the sons of Seth and Cain.
If you life the subject read, or listen to the Audible versions like i did, of Michael Heiser's books "Supernatural", "Unseen Realm", and "Reversing Hermon". As the late Dr. Heiser said "you can go your whole life and not read these and it's not going to hurt you. But if you do read them, you'll never read the Bible the same way. " that is absolutely 1000% true. All the supernatural events, beings, etc will make sense. It's actually a big deal.
Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved-see these articles for examples: “Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy” “Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “‘All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal’”
Im confused as to why tim is arguing that giants couldnt have gotten any bigger then 13 feet when he also argues that dinosaurs came off the arc and are also physiologically impossible under current climatic conditions? Doesnt add up.
Well, dinosaurs and humans have very different body structures for one thing. God made Dinos to get as large as they did. I don't think the size of nephilim had anything to do with the atmosphere before or after the flood Dinos came off the ark and probably didn't survive very long.
He certainly didn't explain it very well, but it's quite simple if you have a moderately scientific or mathematical mind. The limiting factor is the size of the atoms and molecules that made up the Giants. And atoms of a different size cannot exist inside this universe. Therefore cells are limited in their size because of the ratio between the external surface and the internal contents of a cell. You cannot have a cell that is one inch in diameter for example. Therefore all the bones and organs of the Giant would need to be constructed out of an immense number of cells which are the same as ours. In that case the structure breaks down. The morphology of the human frame would need to be greatly modified to accommodate that kind of size. Dinosaurs, on the other hand are constructed completely different from us and have the bone structure and the position of organs which allowed them to grow to immense size
Saul was also tall and not identified as a giant. 1 Samuel 9:2 And he had a son, whose name was Saul, a choice young man, and a goodly: and there was not among the children of Israel a goodlier person than he: from his shoulders and upward he was higher than any of the people.
When angels came down,as a man....they appear to us in the form of a man,they are still angels,some took women and had children,many names for them,they taught things of the stars and mysticism,arts not of this world
This is exactly what Paul warns us about. "For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths."
@@spaceguy7777 Marriage is between a man and a woman, not an angel and a woman. Absolutley the angel view is a myth. The angel view has the same concept has the woke/LGBQT plus community, the difference the angel view is a myth and a fantasy, where the woke/LGBQT plus community is a reality. Both redfine marriage between a man and a woman, redefine the creative order and how the family is instituted. Angels are not flesh and blood, can not marry or procreate, God never created angels for that purpose. The sons of God in Genesis 6 are listed in Genesis 5.
@rightrespomseministries Please put the interviewee's contact information into the description below the video. Not all of his speech was clear when he said his info.
Everything before the flood was bigger, i think Adam to Noah could have been 15' tall. The giant Nephilim it twice the size would be 30' like is mention in a few texts i believe
I think of all the creatures here on earth is like 44 million that we know of i think heaven has way more creations from god than here amazing thing to think of being in heaven with our creater and savior Jesus christ
Question for #4 It seems as though the nephilim, men of reknown, were men or male. Do you think that all the nephilim were all male. Would that then mean that the fallen angles only had the y chromosome?
"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." - Jesus, Matt. 22;30, NET The footnotes indicate that there is a lack of sex and eating food with angels. This may be why the Messiah often eats when appearing to others (in old and new testaments): to distinguish him as the son of man, not an angel.
What does left their former estate mean? It sounds like a change in physical composition or makeup to me concerning the angels or former honored position.
Aren’t you assuming that the angels are the size of us? If angels average height is 25 feet then their genetic information will account for taller beings. Very interesting discussion.
@@dylanmilks I have been studying this for many years ,they are Running this world,the Nephilim and fallen angels with Lucifer and his Army ready to try to defeat God ,but Jesus Christ has already defeated them on the Cross
I had a vision of the Holy Spirit but only His face , His face was like silver and His hair was orange and blue flames , and He came to me one morning in prayer in a cloud of smoke , He did not look handsome , He looked beautiful !
Lies. If you saw the Holy Spirit you wouldn’t say he. John describe the Holy Spirit coming down like a dove. He didn’t say (s)he look like a dove, but came down like a dove. Dove was smilie for female beauty.
Also if Mary got pregnant supernatural, well why does the Holy Spirit needs to be a dude? Plus we don’t know why Mary got pregnant. Like God or the Holy Spirit could’ve snap a finger. None of that stuff.
@@Bunni504 There are no females in Gods original creation not until Eve was created , Answer me why are the Watchers Angels who left their original estate and are chained up until judgement day, Rev 6;4 The sons of God came into the daughters of man , They all look pretty male to me , and there were giants in the land before and after the flood , now do you see the reason for the flood in the first place . If we look at the genealogy of Noah we see no Nephilim blood in his blood line !
I looked and saw something like a lion (Yahshua) being roused, roaring out of the forest ( unbelievers). I heard how he spoke in a human voice and said to the eagle (USA, Germany, Vatican etc.), 38 “Listen, you, and I will speak to you. The Most High says to you, 39 ‘Aren’t you the last of the four beasts that I made to rule in my world so that I might bring about the end of my times through them? 40 You, the fourth that has come, conquered all the beasts that came before you, ruling over the world with much terror and over the whole world with harsh oppression. You have lived in the world with deceit for so long! 41 You judged the earth, but not in truth, 42 for you have oppressed the meek and injured those who caused no unrest. You hated those who spoke the truth and loved liars. You destroyed the dwellings of those who bore fruit and tore down the walls of those who had done you no harm. 43 Your insolence has ascended to the Most High and your pride to the mighty one. 44 The Most High has reviewed his times. Look! They are finished, and his ages are complete. 45 Therefore, eagle, you must utterly vanish, you and your terrifying wings, your dreadful little wings and your evil heads, and your dreadful talons and all your worthless body. 46 Then the whole earth will be refreshed and restored, set free from your violence, and will hope for the judgment and mercy of him who made it.’”
Since we haven't found any large hominid fossils, and since the entire race of these giants would have been killed (all at once) and buried in the Flood, providing the right ingredients to form many fossils, the idea that there were anything above 13ft tall seems implausible.
@@babylonsfall7 The giants of Kandahar. Research it. Many soldiers died, coffins filled with rocks came back to the US, those were black ops missions. There is much more to the real reason the US withdrew hastily from Afghanistan.
One theory is that the author(s) in Genesis are saying that the nephilim were all those gods/legends people heard about in the past. That was when and who they were and why they were. Later, after the Flood, there were more legendary people as well (including giants). One theory is like reptiles, the early men had way more robust immune systems and bodies that could regrow (teeth, etc) and continued to grow their whole life. Noah -> grandsons all lived to be 400, 500 or more years old. When the spies saw the sons of Anak in Canaan, they might have literally been Anak's sons which would be hundreds of years old and were as big as cedar trees.
People seem to forget these are hybrid creatures of man in a non-fallen (non fragmented) spiritual state. Thats why these angelic men were such an offense to the broken earth. Have you read what even one angel in the Bible is capable of doing? The body doesn’t set the limit of possibility, the spirit did by ruling the flesh that was dedicated as a vessel. The curse prevented man from Spirit-soul-body order of life into soul-body. Being born again is our spirit being restored by Holy Spirit in as much as we are yielded, but the giants abomination was angelic spirit ruling over mans flesh. They broke the rules God set at the disobedience of Adam. God bless
Hey that's cool. I went to John MacArthur's church for ten years. I'm not a Calvanist either and I don't hold to the type of dispensationalism the the most of the church and the pretribbers hold to. I hold to the view coined PreWrath. And yes I believe angles left their domain and had relations that produced offspring.
I would disagree as Og was the last of the giants. Goliath and his family were descended from the giants that remained in Gath, and presumably mixed in with the Philistines/Canaanites and were still 9ft tall.
@1051_fam: Thanks for your comment; I was also thinking that he may be around 9 or 10 feet, not 13, because I know even little me likes to have a couple of room at the foot and head of the bed. :)
Very interesting discussion! I believe something very ungodly and otherworldly was going on with the pre- food world! I don’t see why angels can’t take physical form and procreate! Or maybe like today’s ufo taking of people and removing body fluids? The Bible tells us little of that time. Thank you for this series! ❤️🙏✝️
It's crazy to me that some people think God is absent-minded enough to tell us the sons of God mated with the daughters of men and created giants when He really meant "believers mated with unbelievers and created powerful bad guys"... Either God meant angels mated with women and created literal giants, or for some reason He was cool with us mistakenly believing that. God is not surprised by any interpretation of His Word and He knew what He was doing when he inspired every jot and tittle.
God usually means what He says...and he seldom if ever changes His mind. When you picture the Spirit of God "inspiring" men to record what He says it helps if you picture a secretary taking shorthand dictation from her boss. Does she paraphrase the conversation or record verbatim as dictated? It's the same thing with God. What He intended as said is as it is recorded, not open to "interpretation" only "translation". That's why He chose the Septuagint and the New Testament written in Koine Greek, probably the most precise language ever devised by man. The entire Bible is ONLY open to exact "translation", not the "interpretation" according to contemporary belief...
Satan is called the "king of all deceivers", and it is very possible that he could have planted the seed of idea in the watchers to set them up to lust after human women. Maybe Satan knew that if he had attempted to do that with women, he would become bound in darkness and unable to cause the future suffering he wanted to. 🙏😇
The native Americans have legends of giant, red haired, six finger giants, that run the lands in America. They claim they were so big that they could run beside a herd of buffalo and scoop one up in their arms and keep running. That’s a very large person that can grab a buffalo up and its arms and keep running. And they fit the description of Nephilim six finger giants. Oh, and the tribe said that all the tribes in the area had to band together to kill the Giants because they became carnivorous and started to eat all the other tribes. All of this fits very well with the Nephilim of the Jewish faith.
True. There were some in the Great Lakes area too. The original Erie people were tall, redheads, and had some type of magical power to control the weather. The story of Paul Bunion is based on a real individual that was probably a hybrid. He had great strength and 2 rows of teeth. Not sure about 6 fingers.
sounds like could be a "bigfoot" description too
Just out of curiosity what does it mean if polydactyly runs in your family currently?
yes they were apparently living in Arizona/Utah areas. Apparently, according to skywatchtv tv and the late dr tom horn the Smithsonian museum was responsible for covering up giant discoveries in the Grand Canyon etc. Apparently ,this was because the existence of Giants contradicts (ludicrous) evolutionary theory. Clearly the antidiluvian world was far more developed and interesting than we are led to believe. For more see the excellent work of la marzuli - on the trial of the nephelim.
I've heard of multiple world-famous basketball players born with extra digits 🤔 Height, six fingers on each hand... And the six-finger thing is apparently hereditary, not an oddball defect. Interesting
I know it’s antidotal but two angels appeared as young women while I was traveling alone in Germany. I found myself in a dangerous situation at the Munich train station at night, by myself on a train platform with a man threatening me. They appeared on a bench, gave me correct instructions regarding the corrected train to catch, stayed with me until I boarded and when I turned to thank them, but they were gone! Impossible to get out of my sight on a large empty platform, they were absolutely not human. In this situation, God sent angels in human female form. Whether they were actually female beings 🤷♀️
Hi susanholland5633 - I had a very similar experience in Holland many years ago. (I am from Germany) While travelling from England to Germany I lost my way - and could not find the border crossing. It was late at night and I had 2x small children in the car. I was running out of fuel as well. My map was 15 years old and the border crossing had moved. I prayed and without any delay a large 'patrol car with 2x large patrol men' were right in front of me. They stopped and I asked them where the border crossing was and where I could get petrol from with German money. They told me to follow them and they led me to a petrol station which accepted German money - and then they led me to the border crossing some distance away. We left the town and drove through a dark large woodland area and I became a bit nervous - not knowing who they were and I was contemplating to stop and to turn around, but then I saw the lights from the border crossing. I thanked them and they drove off. When I looked back they were gone - but I should have seen the red back lights from the car. I often thought about it afterwards and I am convinced that they were angels. >>> P.S. the word you are looking for is not 'antidotal' (as antidote means = cure for a poison) >>>> but you want the word "anecdotal" which means = 'a story being told' - Hope you don't mind me pointing this out to you xx
Wow, that just put chills through me reading that. I had an experience myself. So glad you experienced that Susan.
God is sooooo good and "cool"❤
wow! amazing example of the Lords protection
Most Christians really don't believe in the supernatural and yet they celebrate Christmas and Easter. Crazy isn't it!. Thanks for your testimony and I also have had a beautiful experience with angels on both sides of the unseen realm. Too long to describe here but absolutely NO doubt it was real. I highly recommend watching the documentary by the late Dr Michael Heiser called The Unseen Realm. It connected many many dots for me!!. ❤❤
I got saved by two angels,I was getting kicked to death by a large gang of punks,a large crowd of people were spectating then 2 big angels came out of nowhere 1 of them yelled out one in ,one out.everyone was terrified and scuttled off like cockroaches .
Amen!!
Angel means messenger. What message did they deliver?
I am sorry to hear. I hope you are ok now
@@wbdangelos8393 what message were the angels delivering when they pulled lot out of Sodom? What about the angels that Elisha asked the Lord to reveal? What about the angel of the passover in Egypt? How about the ones who ministered tonthe Lord after he fasted and was tempted? Angels don't always deliver messages. Sometimes they just intervene for the glory of the Lord. If we sometimes "entertain angels unawares" there's no "message" to be had there. They aren't just "messengers" they are beings who are charged to do the will of God, and there is biblical precedent for that meaning that they sometimes supernaturally intervene to save His people.
"YOUR NOT GONNA WHUP GIS ASS TODAY"! AND YES....ANGELS CAN SAY ASS. IT'S JUST A QORD.@@wbdangelos8393
When my 6.6 pound daughter was born there was a family on the waiting room with us the dad was prolly close to 7 feet tall and about 400 lbs, the son who looked to be about 12 years old was my about my size 6 foot 185, i didn't meet the mom but we heard the dad come out to the rest of his family and say we have a healthy baby boy 14 lbs 4 ounces
My first mother in law was 5 ft might have weighed 100 #. Had a couple of babies that weighed 16 lbs out of 9. All weighed over 10 lbs.
WOW! THOSE ARE BIG BABIES!
Basketball players can be up 2 7 feet 7 inches check it out
Nephilim Football League. @@bobchevallier8456
If the guy was that big, yeah, his wife was probably going to have a big baby. On the other hand My small frame teacher in High school with an average husband gave birth to a 13.8 pound baby.
Only problem with this episode is that it ended. 😂 great show
Listening to you guys talk about other cultures' legends and myths of giants, its interesting to think how we have thoroughly sanitized and *naturalized* our religion. Where we today tend to reject out of hand anything that smells of supernatural. I think we need to return to a supernatural worldview because thats the mileu in which the scriptures appear to have been written
- Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”
- Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
“My Spirit shall not strive with man forever``
for he is indeed flesh
- Rom 8:8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years
Rom 8:13
..... the deeds of the body, you will live.
- So there were people who lived according to the Spirit,and they lived 6 -7 800 years...And they were those carnal..They started to mingle,and flesh took over...And till today,flesh dominate..
-with man forever..men of renown...the wickedness of man...sorry that He had made man/not nephilims,can you believe?
So many ``man``looks like God screaming helloooo MAN,do not immagine,buy yet
GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every IMAGINATION of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
@@perazdera2827i recommend Heisers work on this. Sons of God are usually angels in the OT. We replace them in Gods divine counsel because they have ruled badly (psalm 82). Jude talks about this genesis 6 incident as well (angels taking women)
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God said ``Lets make a man in our own image``
And thats whats happening..God creating man..
There were Spiritual people and carnal..
Story in Genesis is the same as Adam and Eve..They eat fruit of the flesh..Fleshly wisdom..
Doctrines,interpretations,imaginations.. The same today...Woman again deceived those who hear God..
They created doctrines,dogmas...
If I tell you that 2nd coming of God is in flesh..As a Holy Spirit,no more physically coming..Would you believe?!
If I tell you can live and never see grave if Spirit of God is in you according to the Rom 8 : 11 (will give life to your MORTAL body) would you believe,or you would go according to church and believe that God is sado - mazo and want you to dlE so that you than live?
And I don't even read the Bible..I asked if this is true,you teach me,Im not gonna waste my time to understand what smarter than me didn't get to understand..Little did I know that that is the only way John 6 : 45
God said ``Lets make a man in our own image``
And thats whats happening..God creating man..But God crate by speaking the word,and it come to existence..But if that word is not passed correctly,what do you think happen?
There were Spiritual/priests and normal carnal..
Story in Genesis is the same as Adam and Eve..They eat fruit of the flesh..Eve gave Adam,who is heard God not to eat.Eve did not heard..
Doctrines,interpretations,imaginations.. The same today...Woman again deceived those who hear God..
They created doctrines,dogmas...
If I tell you that 2nd coming of God is in flesh..As a Holy Spirit,no more physically coming..Would you believe?!
If I tell you can live and never see grave if Spirit of God is in you according to the Rom 8 : 11 (will give life to your MORTAL body) would you believe,or you would go according to church and believe that God want you to perish so that you than live?
And I don't even read the Bible..I asked if this is true,you teach me,Im not gonna waste my time to understand what smarter than me didn't get to understand..Little did I know that that is the only way John 6 : 45
Soul is problem,soul always choose flesh over spirit..God said if you eat soulish/fleshly you will be gone in a day...No one lived to see 1000 years..And God said to serpent,that her head will be crushed..
so in rev 20 you see some souls without head...And those did reach 1000
Giant bones in Americas old newspapers found when digging eerie canal, repairing Niagara falls, etc. Abraham Lincoln talked about seeing the giant bones near Niagara. Smithsonian lies that there were no giants
@ 51:00 the Book of Enoch (controversial as it may be) does also indicate the giants were eating people
As do nearly all the stories of giants, in every culture.
The Bible does too. Read Zechariah 9! Also, think about all the times the Bible forbids eating of blood. Noah is the first to command this from God.
@@EJ_7715 aw man I’m currently reading through the Bible in chronological order and haven’t gotten to Zechariah yet! Thanks for the reference though, cool stuff
I love what you said, that we don't have one shared consciousness...I think that's a way around believing historical truths..
This is a subject I'm very interested in so I really appreciate this conversation!!!
This has been a great subject!! Thank you so much for helping unpack this stuff. Very good!! ❤
I was wondering if this was why Abraham was so adamant that Issac not marry a woman from Canan, and why the local wives of Eusa disturbed Issac, and Rebecca so badly 1:52
Wow good point. Didn't even think of that. I always assumed it was cuz they didn't worship Yahweh but maybe there was more to it than that!
Ham uncovered his father’s nakedness. That actually means he slept with Noah’s wife. Canaan was cursed by Noah. He was the offspring of Ham sleeping with Noah’s wife.
@@SonofGodNOW it says he drank wine from his vineyard and was drunk and became uncovered in his tent. Then Ham saw the nakedness of his father. I like your point but it doesnt seem to flow as well when reading the text
@@SonofGodNOWYeah the actually verses don't allude to that at all. Read the account.
@@SonofGodNOWyou're spreading some screwed up heresy. It's as simple as Ham mocking his father being naked and Canaan being an unbeliever (can't curse Ham cause he's blessed)
Absolutely riveting. I was glued to this discussion for the entire time. Wow. Loved every minute of this. Thank you both! Can’t wait to watch more about this.
There's a difference between acromegaly ("giantism") and a "legitimate giant" which does not have the joint issues caused by excess growth hormone, the corresponding strain caused by the connective tissue vector changes of those already "overgrown" joints, etc.
Being big and tall doesn't mean all your organs and bones aren't proportionately strong. Giraffes are 18 feet tall and do just fine.
Joel: A comment and also a question for Dr. Chaffey.
First, I was able to take my family to the Ark at the end of November. What a blessing! Seriously, seeing the size of it as we were on the shuttle was impressive. Also, thinking about how the real one must have looked to the peoples that then lived, it isn't hard to imagine that they would have seen him as a nut. I loved the museum as well. It was such a wonderful opportunity to be able to show my children some of the things - or depictions of some of the things - we've been discussing. The fact that Molech (which was in the Ark) was depicted with a serpentine head was great because I had just been discussing that with my wife. It was wonderful and done, as you said, professionally.
Question for Dr. Chaffey. When I was in the book store at the museum, I specifically looked for his book. They didn't have it. I brought it up on my phone and the store manager didn't even know that the book existed. So my question is, why isn't it sold at AIG?
Because AIG is naturalistic. They try and explain miracles through science. Big reason a lot of people dooped by them become atheists. Atheists are more consistent naturalists than creationists.
It's not sold by AIG because they do not have an official position on this topic. He wrote the book on his own, as a part of his side ministry.
Is there a reference for Molech being on the ark? This is the first time hearing about it.
Is there a reference for Molech being on the ark? This is the first time hearing about it.
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Molech wasn't in Noah's Ark. I meant that there was a scene depicted in the Ark (or "Ark Encounter") in Kentucky.
Great discussion. Thank you Dr. Tim and Pastor Joel
Pastor Joel, when you talked about your tree being 9 feet tall, I measured my walls and my apt ceiling is just shy of 9 feet tall, and youre right, a 9 foot man would be huge! Couldn't imagine someone 50% larger than that!
It’s engineered by fallen angels
At 35 minutes into the video regarding the special features that a giant would need. Remember the extra fingers the extra toes.
And some of the legends that the giants had 2 rows of teeth. Remember they weren't fully human. So the engineering may have been geared towards their bodies being much larger and not just a proportional human size.
Even though spiritual discernment cannot be easily conveyed I am as confident of Nephilim being progenitors of dinosaurs as I know my heart beats inside of me
That's absolutely right, and the dinosaurs are progenitors of the various species of American Christians.
your definitely crazy dawg
You just made me laugh and cry
Bad uncles Cosmo craters not creators they messed us around some and then some they put sin in the world dumbed us down created a world of warcraft and short lives
My father had a condition called lizard brain syndrome
I'm so glad you guys looked into the comments I made and told you where this truth was in the bible. Your on track now. Awesome Jesus is Lord Praise Jesus Christ
This viewpoint changed my understanding of the Old Testament / Torah completely. Now all of the genealogies "taking up space" in the inspired Word of God makes sense. The entire story of the Bible is a story of a genetic war between God and Satan, where God's plan to redeem His creation prevails through preserving the holiness of the Nation of Israel (being "set apart") until the time that the Messiah would come. Meanwhile, from the early days of creation, the enemy's plan was to corrupt the human race genetically as well as culturally / morally. The flood put an early stop to this, and then later when God promised to never again use water to destroy all living things, He instead preserved Israel against the surrounding tribes and showed them grace and mercy and discipline over and over so that He might through them redeem mankind.
That's a shame since Tim, and this whole channel, teach un-biblical Nephilology--and my name, "Ken Ammi" appears favorably in Tim's book since I assisted him with some of the research.
Just noted that post-flood, there's no such thing as any, "genetic war": "culturally / morally" sure but "corrupt...genetically" isn't a post-flood issue.
@@KenAmmi-www.truefreethinker In what ways are his assertions unbiblical?
@@Finraen He teaches post-flood Nephilim and that they were subjectively unusually tall (which is the only thing I can contextually imagine that "giants" means: which has nothing to do with the usage of that term in modern English Bibles, BTW).
Just noted that post-flood, there's no such thing as any, "genetic war": "culturally / morally" sure but "corrupt...genetically" isn't a post-flood issue.
@@KenAmmi-www.truefreethinker He made compelling arguments for those points in these videos, and presumably does so more thoroughly in his book. You haven’t mentioned any counter arguments. You’re just stating disagreement.
@@Finraen I "haven’t mentioned any counter arguments"? I thought they'd be implied but, very well then:
"He teaches post-flood Nephilim" but we've zero reliable indication of that and "that they were subjectively unusually tall" but we've zero reliable indication of that: for those two utterly key, fundamental, assertions he can only appeal to one single sentence form an "evil report" by 10 unreliable guys whom God rebuked.
"(which is the only thing I can contextually imagine that 'giants' means: which has nothing to do with the usage of that term in modern English Bibles, BTW)" since it merely renders (doesn’t even translate) “Nephilim” in 2 verses or “Repha/im” in 98% of all others and so never even hints at anything to do with any sort of height whatsoever.
And, again, "Just noted that post-flood, there's no such thing as any, 'genetic war': 'culturally / morally' sure but 'corrupt...genetically' isn't a post-flood issue" for which I'll direct you to the entire post-flood OT.
This is the 3 one and i enjoyed all 3. Thank you for not being scared to discuss what's in the Bible. Thats for not trying to down play it like other pastors. It's not a fairytale, it's truth.
33:00 and much more oxygen in the antediluvian atmosphere
Greater air pressure and stronger magnetic fields, also .
Great listening too you both again!
I'm grateful the Bible does not explain how they did it. Otherwise people would be trying to do it again.
They are! The Bible says that in the last days it will be as in the days of Noah. The Giants will return.
Yup... They would try
Oh. They are trying to bring them back with CRISPRR technology. They keep their operations underground. For now
Supersoldiers
I assure you, people know...
Good stuff. One thought about the genecide or giantcide theory is "Why would God be merciful to giants? Are we suggesting they could have repented?"
If angels ever appear to women to test their kindness, it should hopefully be in female form, as it isn't fair to expect a woman to let a male stranger into, say, her home with her children. I had a man come to my door a few years back here in the country, he was lost and thirsty (but had a vehicle). He was asking for directions to some farm and I gave him water but made him wait on the porch because I was alone with 4 small daughters. I called my neighbor who knows the area well and sent him across the street. Afterwards I wondered what if he had been an angel in disguise, should i have let him in? I don't think so.
You gave him a drink, and assisted. You did well.
You were hospitable yet prudent , you were thinking of the welfare of your children , be at ease as I believe the Lord wouldn't hold that against you.
Of course not. Never do something stupid in hopes of it being a one in a billion chance miracle.
God EXPECTS us to use wisdom and discernment.
@cryptojihadi265 I forgot to add he was an older man probably over 60 and diabetic apparently, but you never can be sure since a limp and distress can be faked. Anyway I just thought it was an interesting conundrum regarding the question of angels ever even temporarily taking the form of a female...it's possible if God tests a woman's kindness to.strangers He doesn't do so while she is alone.
Another great episode…I’m catching up. Thankyou for this insight!
At minute 43 ish the discussion is about how human women could have babies that would turn into be a Giants. I think there’s a possibility that the maturation process on a giant child may have been much longer than a human child. For example, what if they grew until they’re 25?
For what I know human gestation was shortened to make the baby pass the birth channel. So human babies are dependent and defenceless compared to other mammals. On the contrary in Berossos they speak of abortion. Berossos thought it was cannibalism. Probably instead it was a premature birth to ensure human women could deliver giants.Big Dinosaurs, creatures in which existence I personally don't believe, are said to have a very quick development after birth.
@user-cz3tg4gk3y: in the nostic bible angels raped Eve?
But… did the women survive the delivery?
Interesting conversation just some perspective… my grandmother was only 5’2” and had seven children. Her fifth child was over eleven pounds and he was her easiest birth. (All but the seventh were born at home. Ironically enough, she wanted to have her last at home too but her doctor told her they were both too old. She was 44. )
I was an 11lb 2oz baby myself, my brothers were 11lb 10oz, 10lb 9oz, and 9lb 2oz. We were all big babies. I I’m a pretty big guy, 6’2 and about 260-270lbs and very muscular, not fat. But there’s definately a lot of babies born in that range
If the external physiology of a giant is different, height, weight, six toes, etc, why wouldn't the internal physiology be likewise different from a normal human?
I think extreme height as described in the Bible is feasible, remember, God compares some of the giants to cedar trees.
I'd like to bring up the two different sources for the height of Goliath. One states 4 cubits & a span ( 6'9"), the other 6 cubits & a span ( 9'9"). For those that take the view of the smaller Goliath. Which coincidently, is the same as Tim. I propose a set of Goliath's armor & weapons, made to the exact specifications, then have Tim suit up & we'll see how effective he can be as a warrior! Then we'll see which height the equipment was really made for.
Yes, a 6’,9” man could not throw a spear that had a pole like a weavers beam and an 8 pound head on it. It just wouldn’t be a weapon he would be able to wield.
This is Tim -- Great point! Page 298 of the book includes a picture of me standing next to a replica of Goliath's spear (based on biblical details). There is simply no way someone my size could wield it -- not even close. That entire chapter (#24) covers Goliath's armaments in detail, demonstrating that they were clearly designed for someone much larger than me.
@@TedandLaura Well, spears could be thrown, they are actually long ranged stabbing weapons. Now, the javelin, is throwing weapon. Which Goliath also had.
@@timchaffey5888 Hello Tim! Great to hear from you. I need to find that picture. I searched weaver's beams & they are typically 2.5" to 3" in diameter, too thick for me to wield effectively. I only wear medium gloves. If just the spear is too much for you, I suppose the rest of the equipment wouldn't do either. Just his bronze mail shirt weighed about 125 lbs. That's about half your weight already.
OK, you've got the stature, but maybe someone like LeBron James, a body builder or a strong man, might fare better. I would probably throw Shaquille O'Neal in there too, but he's no longer in his prime & he's a tad bit taller. I'm curious to know if anyone of them could pull off the full arsenal.
Goliaths head was the size of a bushel basket.
Gary Wayne covers these topics in his book, Genesis 6 & also very interesting utube videos that connects the dots for anyone who wants an in depth study on these & related topics.
Pastor Joel, regarding the alleged limits of human size and specifically the functioning of the human heart, you might find Thomas Cowen's work interesting. If interested, search his name and "the heart is not a pump". At the very least he will make you think. I really enjoyed this video - thank you.
Mud fossil university is a great channel too!
The depth of wisdom is INCREDIBLE in this video. Thank you for the deep levels of teaching.
Eisegetical speculation and favoring apocrypha over canonical scripture doesn't stand out to me as wisdom.
13:20 Very great perspective. Never occurred to me but that makes sense. Tactical strategy is a prominent trait of the adversary. Thank u for that gem of thought
Just ordered Tim's book. Eager to dig in!
Praise Lord Jesus!
When the first generation of giants were here, they stood around 120 feet. The height of cedars.
Why do you say that?
Great interview, thankyou!!!
Gilgamesh is a giant to consider. The story of Orion may be modeled after Nimrod.
The correct name is Nymrud the mighty hunter who killed Nephilim and who was ambushed and killed by Esau because of jealousy
@@staceyjustin8594 I appreciate the criticism; but I was under the impression that Esau wasn’t yet born during the time of Nimrod.
@@CatTrades well if you only read the books in the Christian bible and not any of the apocrypha you will have that mistaken belief
No matter how long anyone lives they will die with mistaken conjecture on the nature of the universe as well as history.
“Much that once was is lost, for non now live who remember it “ Peter Jackson or associate,
😅it’s good that our knowledge of historical conjecture and other speculative notions are not an indication of Salvation; however it might be a pretty good indicator of our fallen nature. lol
I've heard that the earth before the 2nd flood of Noah's day was conducive to things growing taller. (There was no such thing as rain before the flood.)
The human race were much taller before the flood. Adam was about 12 feet.
@@MrKevinStraubIslam says 60 feet or 30
just a note, who said the women survived the Nephilim birth?
Steve Quale, Tom Horn, Timothy Alberino are good Bible teachers who have taught extensively about Genesis 6 and the Watchers, Nephilim. Also Derek and Sharon Gilbert.
Thanks I can check those out, I have a very Michael Heiseresque point of view on the subject
@@Mr60minor yes, excellent sources! RIP Dr. Tom Horn
'End times productions' have wonderful podcasts with Dr.Horn.
Blessings in your search
"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven."
- Jesus
Matthew 22;30, NET
The footnotes also indicate that there is a lack of sex and eating of food with regard to angels. This may be why the Messiah often eats when appearing to others (in old and new testament appearances), to distinguish him as the son of man, not an angel.
@@mattk6719 did you know that people have sex outside of marriage???
Is it possible that the colossi at Memnon and the statues at Luxor were the reproductions of the giants who ruled or demanded worship? These things are absolutely huge, some over 1000 tons and made of a single piece of granite. Egyptians could never have made these. Sounds like a job for giants to me.
This superstition sells short the manufacturing and engineering genius of our ancestors
I think the big glaring issue with the fallen Angel corruption theory is that it gives fallen angels powers that not only good angels don't have but which are identified as exclusive powers or miracles of God: incarnation and the creation of life. On what basis would God reward rebellious angels with divine prerogatives??? That's akin to the anti theonomist idea that rebellious women get to vote and be pastors but obedient women don't. Hardly. The consistent Biblical position is that the rebellious have LESS privilege than the righteous, or at least no more privileges.
Possibly in Heaven only? For Jesus nor God rule this world at this time The Devil is the one who rules the world at this time?
Are you "creating life" when you have a child then? If Angels have DNA, would they not just be mixing? rather than creating new life? And they didnt have exclusive powers, they just USED powers/abilities that good angels do not...
You are making to many assumptions, you ought not assume when it comes to God.
Finally, someone who is making sense! Angels who took on human form in the Bible were always on mission for God. Clearly, God gave them the ability to assume human form. Nowhere in scripture does it reference fallen angels taking on human form. It's quite a leap to make that assumption just because they rebelled and left heaven, their proper abode. Also, if demons are the souls of the dead progeny of fallen angels and human women, where did the human half of the soul go? Wasn't that half created in the image of God? And why would God send a flood to get rid of this progeny if he knew that when they died they would create even more havoc as demons? Isn't that an attack on God's sovereignty? Anyone else wonder about these things?
Great reasoning!
@@kristenyurek4490 _"Anyone else wonder about these things?"_
Lots of stuff to wonder about, indeed!
This "fallen angels married women" shtick seems like it's getting rubbed in our faces more and more, nowadays. And, if you question or criticize it, its promulgators sanctimoniously try to shame you for not having whatever it is they like to call a "supernatural worldview". I have a _Biblical_ worldview, and Genesis 6 says nothing about fallen angels. To me, it's kind of a shame to see someone promoting the ideology under the aegis of a seemingly-good Biblical Creation/anti-Darwinism organization/publisher like Answers In Genesis.
The Bible defines marriage as, without exception, between a man and a woman. People pushing the "fallen angels married women" sensationalism are (whether or not they'd like to admit it) essentially saying "Not so, God!" to God's institution of marriage, right alongside the LGBTQuack movement that has been rapidly destroying civilization.
• _"That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."_ (Genesis 6:2)
• _"Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD."_ (Proverbs 18:22)
OK, so _fallen angels_ obtaineth favour of the LORD? Got it.
I saw one video pushing this stuff, in which the speaker quoted the Apostle Paul in Ephesians 6: _"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."_ And I thought: _"Wait a second! The nephilim -- claimed by this popular ideology to be offspring both of flesh and blood (women) on the one hand, and of principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world, spiritual wickedness in high places (fallen angels) on the other: do we, or do we not, wrestle against the nephilim?"_
So much to say on this topic...
thank you for this.
In the book of Enoch God says the watchers (angels) can travel by any means they choose and can appear in any form they choose, so why wouldn't they come here and look beautiful to us. Easier to decive someone when you look good as apposed to looking like a monster .
28:00 Another way to determine how big Israelites where is too understand that Aaron's rod was put in the Ark of the Covenant. The box size is only so big so you can determine roughly how tall Aaron was by the length of the budded rod put in the ark. This wasn't very long so would mean that he was well under 6 foot. :)
Speculative at best.
The specs for the size of the ark are in Scripture and are based on the 'cubit' (the distance between a man's elbow and tip of fingers - about 18 to 21 inches). It is just mathematically and yes, speculative but also within parameters of length, so Aaron's height range would be within the determined range. (based on the length of the almond rod Aaron used and was put in the Ark of the Covenant. @@mattk6719
Amos 2:9 says the Amorite giants were as tall as cedar trees. It’s not figurative language… why discount this passage? Anything is possible when the supernatural is involved.
My father-in-law weighed 13 lbs when he was born…. He had a stocky build and was about 5’-9” tall…..
Tim Chaffey is to the point, he just what is clear in the scripture, and if not something is clear - he says it and discuss different sides. this is really good. reminds me of Dr. Heiser. and also a good host. a good voice to listen to..(and i am not a calvinist)
But Tim teaches un-biblical Nephilology--and my name appears favorably in his book since I helped him with his research.
Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved-see these articles for examples:
“Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy”
“Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “‘All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal’”
thanx for your response, i will check it out.@@KenAmmi-Shalom
Apparently they were alot bigger then the 11 12 ft hypothesis but where like 50ft to 60ftl tall
"Apparently" as per what regarding both of your assertions?
If you can get a copy, read The Book of Enoch. It’s all there.
I really enjoyed this.
I saw a humongous angel when I was 5. Definitely beautiful female with vivid features. Her feet were at the tree tops and her head reached the zenith. She had clothing, a beautiful gown, but couldn't make out feet as light obscured them. Could see her hair. I was able to observe her for a long time on that gorgeous summer night. No interactions or messages. I knew I was seeing an Angel. I tried to get my Mother to see running to and fro to the barn. Whew, the angel had not left. Finally my Mother came to look, but could see nothing
Interesting. I heard other stories of children being able to see, but not adults
You've set one bar for sure. The utmost commercials for His highest...whew
Not one thing in the podcast about the angels manually bioengineering the Nephilim.
Fallen angels breeding with human women bioengineered a new race, tainting the human bloodline. These angels also bred with animals, creating half-human, half-animal creatures (lots of pictographs in archeology) that we used to think were " just mythological", but were real, as God destroyed animals and humans in the flood to purify the bloodlines.
Good. Because that’s Not Biblical. 😅
What click bait.
30:23 it not necessarily on the weight stuff because dinosaurs some of them were so large that they literally could not support their own heads at this present day the atmosphere used to be a lot thicker buoyant
There is no vitamin a in plants, only beta carotene, which 51% of the population cant convert into vitamin a, and the ones that can, only convert 2%. Eat raw local grassfed liver for adequate vitamin a. We used to eat liver once a week a couple generations ago.
Good luck finding grass fed liver.
@@Synder619 i live in arkansas so it was pretty easy to find a rancher that feeds his cows what theyre meant to eat
Min 30:10 Gilgamesh was around 20 ft tall, who here believes a hybrid giant that size could move around? How much would a creature that tall have weighed? 4.000-5.000 lbs??
This is error... new testament says in Matthew 22: 29-30
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
[30] For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
It is talking about the sons of Seth and Cain.
Pastor thanks you. My God Blessed and Keep You
Really good.
If you life the subject read, or listen to the Audible versions like i did, of Michael Heiser's books "Supernatural", "Unseen Realm", and "Reversing Hermon". As the late Dr. Heiser said "you can go your whole life and not read these and it's not going to hurt you. But if you do read them, you'll never read the Bible the same way. " that is absolutely 1000% true. All the supernatural events, beings, etc will make sense. It's actually a big deal.
Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved-see these articles for examples:
“Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy”
“Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “‘All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal’”
Im confused as to why tim is arguing that giants couldnt have gotten any bigger then 13 feet when he also argues that dinosaurs came off the arc and are also physiologically impossible under current climatic conditions? Doesnt add up.
It's never good to think about this stuff too deeply.
@@markb3786. You have to think about this deeply. This is what this program is all about.
Well, dinosaurs and humans have very different body structures for one thing. God made Dinos to get as large as they did. I don't think the size of nephilim had anything to do with the atmosphere before or after the flood
Dinos came off the ark and probably didn't survive very long.
@@Zaloominationmust have sucked to clean up all that animal poop every day
He certainly didn't explain it very well, but it's quite simple if you have a moderately scientific or mathematical mind. The limiting factor is the size of the atoms and molecules that made up the Giants. And atoms of a different size cannot exist inside this universe. Therefore cells are limited in their size because of the ratio between the external surface and the internal contents of a cell. You cannot have a cell that is one inch in diameter for example. Therefore all the bones and organs of the Giant would need to be constructed out of an immense number of cells which are the same as ours. In that case the structure breaks down. The morphology of the human frame would need to be greatly modified to accommodate that kind of size. Dinosaurs, on the other hand are constructed completely different from us and have the bone structure and the position of organs which allowed them to grow to immense size
Pastor allen nolan very definitive very good teacher
Saul was also tall and not identified as a giant.
1 Samuel 9:2
And he had a son, whose name was Saul, a choice young man, and a goodly: and there was not among the children of Israel a goodlier person than he: from his shoulders and upward he was higher than any of the people.
You should take a look at Karl Baugh. It will explain why animals plants, and other things were gigantic pre flood
When angels came down,as a man....they appear to us in the form of a man,they are still angels,some took women and had children,many names for them,they taught things of the stars and mysticism,arts not of this world
Too many ads keep interrupting.
Whats weird in science is that in my experience, the smaller/ less weight babies end up growing taller and bigger than the babies born bigger, longer.
True in my case. I was a fat baby and spent 50 years skinny. Now at 71, I am not fat but have put on a little
Lol science is not your experience
This is exactly what Paul warns us about. "For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths."
BS....not a myth....if anything it increases my faith in His word...I saw one in Jesus name
@@spaceguy7777 Marriage is between a man and a woman, not an angel and a woman. Absolutley the angel view is a myth. The angel view has the same concept has the woke/LGBQT plus community, the difference the angel view is a myth and a fantasy, where the woke/LGBQT plus community is a reality. Both redfine marriage between a man and a woman, redefine the creative order and how the family is instituted. Angels are not flesh and blood, can not marry or procreate, God never created angels for that purpose.
The sons of God in Genesis 6 are listed in Genesis 5.
The giants may have used the DNA from the diasours.
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Don't forget how very smart they are.
That makes no sense.
They might have bioengineered the giant dinosaurs
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@rightrespomseministries Please put the interviewee's contact information into the description below the video. Not all of his speech was clear when he said his info.
Everything before the flood was bigger, i think Adam to Noah could have been 15' tall. The giant Nephilim it twice the size would be 30' like is mention in a few texts i believe
Where?
Interesting!!
Why does this guy look like Matt Walsh? Surely I'm not the only one who sees this.
These guys love to hear themselves talk.
When do they finally get to the point? I’m at 07:07 and nothing relating title yet.
C’mon!
Hold your ponies. Practice patience or skip ahead on the video.
What time stamp?@@philipmurray9796
I think of all the creatures here on earth is like 44 million that we know of i think heaven has way more creations from god than here amazing thing to think of being in heaven with our creater and savior Jesus christ
Remember God made ALL things seen and UNseen .
Question for #4
It seems as though the nephilim, men of reknown, were men or male. Do you think that all the nephilim were all male. Would that then mean that the fallen angles only had the y chromosome?
"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven."
- Jesus, Matt. 22;30, NET
The footnotes indicate that there is a lack of sex and eating food with angels. This may be why the Messiah often eats when appearing to others (in old and new testaments): to distinguish him as the son of man, not an angel.
wow! Incredibly interesting question. Never considered that!!
What does left their former estate mean? It sounds like a change in physical composition or makeup to me concerning the angels or former honored position.
Aren’t you assuming that the angels are the size of us? If angels average height is 25 feet then their genetic information will account for taller beings. Very interesting discussion.
They shape-shifted into human form when they came down to mate with humans. That is how it was possible. They can appear in any shape or form.
Fallen Angels Technology
So F.A.T.
@@dylanmilks I have been studying this for many years ,they are Running this world,the Nephilim and fallen angels with Lucifer and his Army ready to try to defeat God ,but Jesus Christ has already defeated them on the Cross
When do these guys get to the point? How fallen angels do the bio-engineering?
@@kbeautician they want to destroy all that God has made and at the same time create an army against God
My Q: What's Dr Chaffey's view ab't the giants that are alive in very rural areas of the Solomon Islands?
Note, this being ate human beings.
I had a vision of the Holy Spirit but only His face , His face was like silver and His hair was orange and blue flames , and He came to me one morning in prayer in a cloud of smoke , He did not look handsome , He looked beautiful !
Lies. If you saw the Holy Spirit you wouldn’t say he. John describe the Holy Spirit coming down like a dove. He didn’t say (s)he look like a dove, but came down like a dove. Dove was smilie for female beauty.
Also if Mary got pregnant supernatural, well why does the Holy Spirit needs to be a dude? Plus we don’t know why Mary got pregnant. Like God or the Holy Spirit could’ve snap a finger. None of that stuff.
@@Bunni504 There are no females in Gods original creation not until Eve was created , Answer me why are the Watchers Angels who left their original estate and are chained up until judgement day, Rev 6;4 The sons of God came into the daughters of man , They all look pretty male to me , and there were giants in the land before and after the flood , now do you see the reason for the flood in the first place . If we look at the genealogy of Noah we see no Nephilim blood in his blood line !
@@Bunni504 Mary was pregnant with Jesus by the Spirit of God
I looked and saw something like a lion (Yahshua) being roused, roaring out of the forest ( unbelievers). I heard how he spoke in a human voice and said to the eagle (USA, Germany, Vatican etc.), 38 “Listen, you, and I will speak to you. The Most High says to you, 39 ‘Aren’t you the last of the four beasts that I made to rule in my world so that I might bring about the end of my times through them? 40 You, the fourth that has come, conquered all the beasts that came before you, ruling over the world with much terror and over the whole world with harsh oppression. You have lived in the world with deceit for so long! 41 You judged the earth, but not in truth, 42 for you have oppressed the meek and injured those who caused no unrest. You hated those who spoke the truth and loved liars. You destroyed the dwellings of those who bore fruit and tore down the walls of those who had done you no harm. 43 Your insolence has ascended to the Most High and your pride to the mighty one. 44 The Most High has reviewed his times. Look! They are finished, and his ages are complete. 45 Therefore, eagle, you must utterly vanish, you and your terrifying wings, your dreadful little wings and your evil heads, and your dreadful talons and all your worthless body. 46 Then the whole earth will be refreshed and restored, set free from your violence, and will hope for the judgment and mercy of him who made it.’”
What are you quoting from???
@@laever1804 2 Esdras 11:39
Since we haven't found any large hominid fossils, and since the entire race of these giants would have been killed (all at once) and buried in the Flood, providing the right ingredients to form many fossils, the idea that there were anything above 13ft tall seems implausible.
There are giants today in remote areas of the Solomon Islands.
'We' in the US Military went to Afghanistan +'collected' the dead Kandahar giant!!
@@Synder619 - right, and Bigfoot lives in my basement too.
@@babylonsfall7
The giants of Kandahar. Research it. Many soldiers died, coffins filled with rocks came back to the US, those were black ops missions. There is much more to the real reason the US withdrew hastily from Afghanistan.
@dietlindvonhohenwald448
Not to mention one of the main readings that we invaded IRAQ/BABYLON.
Interesting indeed
Jesus said that angels don't marry in heaven but didn't say they couldn't marry here on earth
Hmmmmm….
Jesus was talking about HOLY angels, not unholy ones.
Check the physiological anatomy of a blood vein arterial structure. It is not just the heart that moves blood.
The musculoskeletal system does as well
One theory is that the author(s) in Genesis are saying that the nephilim were all those gods/legends people heard about in the past. That was when and who they were and why they were.
Later, after the Flood, there were more legendary people as well (including giants). One theory is like reptiles, the early men had way more robust immune systems and bodies that could regrow (teeth, etc) and continued to grow their whole life. Noah -> grandsons all lived to be 400, 500 or more years old.
When the spies saw the sons of Anak in Canaan, they might have literally been Anak's sons which would be hundreds of years old and were as big as cedar trees.
No one knows the true original height of Adam and Eve nor the true actual height of angels.
People seem to forget these are hybrid creatures of man in a non-fallen (non fragmented) spiritual state. Thats why these angelic men were such an offense to the broken earth. Have you read what even one angel in the Bible is capable of doing? The body doesn’t set the limit of possibility, the spirit did by ruling the flesh that was dedicated as a vessel. The curse prevented man from Spirit-soul-body order of life into soul-body. Being born again is our spirit being restored by Holy Spirit in as much as we are yielded, but the giants abomination was angelic spirit ruling over mans flesh. They broke the rules God set at the disobedience of Adam. God bless
Hey that's cool. I went to John MacArthur's church for ten years. I'm not a Calvanist either and I don't hold to the type of dispensationalism the the most of the church and the pretribbers hold to. I hold to the view coined PreWrath. And yes I believe angles left their domain and had relations that produced offspring.
This wild speculation really helped me be more holy. Lol😂
Is it wild speculation?
@@TwentyTwoThirtyThreeyes
How so?
Troll
Apologetics and investigation is very important work I bringing the word to people who aren't beleivers.
Love this conversation, I think Og was probably 8 or 9 feet , being a king his bed was most likely excessively large compared to him
I would disagree as Og was the last of the giants. Goliath and his family were descended from the giants that remained in Gath, and presumably mixed in with the Philistines/Canaanites and were still 9ft tall.
His bed was 13 ft long, or 13 cubits which is 1 1/2 feet each
@1051_fam: Thanks for your comment; I was also thinking that he may be around 9 or 10 feet, not 13, because I know even little me likes to have a couple of room at the foot and head of the bed. :)
😂 Ok so if I have a king sized bed, do I get to add a couple of feet to my height? This is nonsense.
Very interesting discussion! I believe something very ungodly and otherworldly was going on with the pre- food world! I don’t see why angels can’t take physical form and procreate! Or maybe like today’s ufo taking of people and removing body fluids? The Bible tells us little of that time. Thank you for this series! ❤️🙏✝️
It's crazy to me that some people think God is absent-minded enough to tell us the sons of God mated with the daughters of men and created giants when He really meant "believers mated with unbelievers and created powerful bad guys"...
Either God meant angels mated with women and created literal giants, or for some reason He was cool with us mistakenly believing that. God is not surprised by any interpretation of His Word and He knew what He was doing when he inspired every jot and tittle.
God usually means what He says...and he seldom if ever changes His mind. When you picture the Spirit of God "inspiring" men to record what He says it helps if you picture a secretary taking shorthand dictation from her boss. Does she paraphrase the conversation or record verbatim as dictated? It's the same thing with God. What He intended as said is as it is recorded, not open to "interpretation" only "translation". That's why He chose the Septuagint and the New Testament written in Koine Greek, probably the most precise language ever devised by man. The entire Bible is ONLY open to exact "translation", not the "interpretation" according to contemporary belief...
@@alexandermacgowan9951 Exactly. People who undermine God's providence and preservation frustrate me to no end.
My 4’11, 100 lb grandmother had a 14lb baby
Satan is called the "king of all deceivers", and it is very possible that he could have planted the seed of idea in the watchers to set them up to lust after human women. Maybe Satan knew that if he had attempted to do that with women, he would become bound in darkness and unable to cause the future suffering he wanted to. 🙏😇
Shaq was a world class athlete and said he was about 400 lbs in 2003, at 7 foot 1.
Yes. And he’s a Masonic devil.
Where can I find the episodes here on RUclips in order?
Would also be helpful if the titles were update to reflect the Episode number