Inexpensive Seagull electric car has US automakers, politicians trembling with fear
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2024
- A Seagull sells for around $11,000 in China, yet the electric vehicle made by conglomerate BYD drives well and is put together with craftsmanship that rivals U.S.-made EVs that cost quite a bit more. #seagull #electriccar #unitedstates #china #autos #news
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"Competition breeds innovation.. unless we're losing, then it's a bad thing"
-US auto makers
It's not exactly fair when the Chinese cars literally use underpaid workers, devalue their currency purposely to make it more competitive to export and also on top of that heavily subsidize most of their key exports to make sure they undercut all the other brands. They aren't playing fair in China. Even when the US did a 100% tariff on their electric cars china increased its subsidies to 200%.
Dumping by a manipulated industry in an authoritarian state only creates a climate where the Chinese people stay poor while their Masters buy luxury real estate in the West. -Forcibly Silenced Chinese
Dumping is dumping!
@@roberthewko6715 that’s what Mexico says of us corn producers. They want tariffs from corn export to protect Mexican farmers but the U.S. is lecturing Mexico about “free” trade. Riddle me that
US has to make sure vehicles stay unaffordable for its citizens
Thank the chicken tax.
Trump could have eliminated it by authorizing the TPP
Once these cars start coming in, they're is a real chance people we'll get laid off. China doesn't have to worry about the EPA or worker safety...
@@DerekWhite-yx2ceand you know that for a fact?
@@DerekWhite-yx2cethey don’t care about worker safety? It seems like you CNN or Fox washed your brain pretty well.
@@DerekWhite-yx2ce Or improve the competitiveness of your car?
100% tariff means this car is only $22K. Cheaper than any current EV on the market.
To make car legal in USA price would be much more.
@@harrymagooslum5770 BYD is a battery company first, car company second. They are one of the biggest battery comapnies in the world. You most likely own multiple things with BYD batteries. Most things (inluding high quality products) are made in china, the whole "made in china = bad" is mostly obsolete as a mindset now. Times have changed.
@@harrymagooslum5770 Btw, Tesla uses BYD battery now, cuz BYD is, firstly a battery company then an auto maker. Enjoy your day :)
@@harrymagooslum5770 Your iPhone may burn down your home, please use Nokia
@@harrymagooslum5770 Half your electronics got BYD compotents in them pal. They pioneered a battery tech that doesn't catch on fire even after getting punctured. Your average Tesla has more chance of burning your house down than a BYD.
America is afraid because they're not competitive anymore.
If you can't beat them ,ban them!😂
China has the same tariffs in place.
@@SobberMacSobberMac Then how Buick, Ford, Chevy, Tesla etc. sell so well in China for the past decades?
@@SobberMacSobberMac美国车和德国车在中国卖的挺好的，没有那么高的关税的。
TikTok and Huawei hit likes
😂
Americans are getting ripped off with auto prices.
Besides, this little vehicle is a major national security threat.
@@hermesliteratus882 🤣🤣🤣
WE DONT WANT YOUR FIRE TRAP TRASH CARS !!
Automakers have to make up for the $30,000+ that are lost manufacturing every EV.
Chinese workers are getting ripped off with horribly low wages.
Apparently, free market economy means putting up 100% tariffs on competitor's products because it's too cheap.
Yup I'm 😊😊glad...
The reality is, that even if there is a 100% tariff, the Chinese cars will still sell for 50% less than the American cars.
Well, I get the point you’re making, but you’re missing missing the bigger problem in a free market the person with the largest share of the market is in control of the market. Think about it like this it’s a free market for them.
@@TomisaLami This is protectionist policy, plain and simple. Also, largest car market is China, not US.
Free markets don't get massive state subsidies both direct and in banking... All countries support key industries but there is something call dumping and the Chinese do it well and have done it many times to put everyone else out of business as a loss leading tactic. By the WTO cases end there is nothing left to save.
what is staggering is how the american and european auto industries have convinced millions of people that $50,000 for a basic vehicle is appropriate
No the American public did that too themselves.
A basic vehicle In most places would be a bike.
That has been a choice of manufacturers, not one of the market. If we have to punish the sellers for that arrogance, I’m ok with it.
In 1965 my Father & I saw a brand new Chevy Camaro for sale in the window of a Van Ness, Ave., SF showroom for $3,000. That shows how much things have gone up. A baseball card was a penny, 5 in a pack for a nickel.
@@SkadooHusky Love the bike idea but America is so car-reliant. Everything is so spread out here. Someday.
@@user-qg5dp4tl8c So about $29011.87 in today's dollars. From a quick search, a 2024 Chevrolet Camaro MSRP starts around $30,900. So not much has actually changed, lol. It's the wages and the purchasing power of individuals that has changed.
1950's USA: quit communism! Embrace capitalism!
1980s China: Ok then!
2024 USA: quit capitalism! Go back to protectionism!
China isn't capitalist fool. Its government has its tentacles in all of the countries' companies and people. We ourselves aren't competitive because our own government purposefully neutered us with the EPA and the like. In fact, the US government hates its people even more so than China.
Meanwhile ford and chevy is selling $80-$130k trucks.... in what world
They are getting their arses kicked with their 80 to 100 K products . Only their JV with designed by and make in China models are selling.
And they LOSE MONEY on those $80k tonka toys 🤦
China has the same tariffs in place.
Its all the features they add to cars that make them sell so high. You can still buy 10,000 dollar gas cars without even air conditioning if you want. Like the Nissan micra base model or the Versa. Maybe Mitsubishi mirage. These cars have trouble selling in the American market because Americans wants features.
@@SobberMacSobberMacChina charge 25% for all vehicle imports like all the other countries (world average is 17%). U.S charge 100% particularly for Chinese EVs. So China has the same tariffs? No. But preventing you to buy cheap cars? Yes.
If the cost is cheap enough, compared to American junk, even with 100% tariff it would still be a better value.
Personally, I drive a Mercedes and my wife a Porsche, so we obviously prefer German cars. But if I had to choose between American or Chinese cars, I would go with the American cars 100% of the time.
@@davidgmaloofso what you are saying is your word means nothing.
@@philc824 What I am saying is that my opinion is the only one that matters.
@@davidgmaloof or your choice of two highly unreliable vehicles is to pick the more expensive piece of junk. Have money, choose to support another country outside of your own.
Funding country that considers democracy a disease, that is on a military (including nuclear weapons) spending spree, and that openly allies itself with the Russian dictatorship while threatening to invade the independent country of Taiwan is only a "better value" if you have no values. It's also slanderous to call American cars junk.
Competition is what made American companies great. Hiding behind tariffs will not improve American products.
fair competition
Actually, high tariffs is what made it possible for manufacturing industries to become established in the US. If those tariffs had never been imposed we'd still be buying everything from European companies.
The ability to impose tariffs is what separates a country from a colony.
On the other hand, this selective tariff against Chinese automakers is an embarrassment to all the legacy OEMs.
@@davidmenasco5743No. Smoot-Harley caused the Great Depression. You have to match tariffs with innovation. Otherwise it’s just wealth destruction. Americans won manufacturing bc of WW2 & innovation & tariffs. Take away one of these & America would’ve lost the Cold War.
There are no American products to begin with ! ...LoL
@@davidmenasco5743 tariffs will make locals industries becoming more uncompetitive internationally the longer it goes on... american EVs only has tesla to rely on and their best performing factory is in china.... u.s plant had to get the chinese engineers in to retool their plant to perform better... u.s just got to accept their time is up
Open the borders it's a global market..... Quit blaming innovators and people who work hard around the world.... I should be able to buy an eleven thousand dollar electric vehicle in america
Too bad go cry uncle charlie
You can do whatever want to do. But don’t be surprised when your interests and interests of the rest of the country don’t align, and you end up paying a premium.
Why did you spell out $11,000?
@@cwg73160yeah I think about saving the country on all the cars I bought in the past (Audi, Honda, Toyota, Tesla) 😂
@@bobdoe38 Ok cool. All of those cars were built in the US.
@@cwg73160 my Tesla has 30% parts from China. I wish it was more since that will only help with lowering costs 🤣
Free trade? No... Competition? No... 'Rule-based order'? Yes! let's go with that!
Last resort will be "National Security".
Yeah, compete with CCP subsidies that are predatory.
In econ101 class, they taught us that Free-markets reduce costs for the consumer…. So that places that cannot complete, can redirect their resources/expertise on another product….
I guess free market is not free anymore…
@@vin10954 Yay, our country is so weak that even Chinese-made cars are national security concerns lol
@@lucisleesion8824 Remember when americans sent fighter jets to take down balloons flown by a group amateur-radio hobbyists? lol
Who would've thought people would want a small affordable car, that's craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy
Not US govt
Americans dont, companys make what people want, when they made Ford Focuses, they noticed that maxxed out f150's were selling, to people didn't matter if they could afford it or not... Its the consumerist culture we were brought up in..
People really don't seem to comprehend that tarriffs are taxes on US citizens and not on Chinese companies.
Only if you buy the product. China puts lots of tariffs on American goods.
Tell that to the Chinese. They used to have a 100% import tax on cars. But of course your ears wouldn't want to hear that factual tidbit.
@@someuser7501 was 25%, 15% for now
@@someuser7501 What's the point of talking about the past? The fact of the matter is that Chinese consumers can buy better cars for less money, and you're not.
@@someuser7501 Such deceitfulness to try and make people believe China stifled foreign automakers while the opposite is the case. China have been the biggest profit market for the auto industry for many years in which western and Japanese industry made incredible mount of profits and now they want to stop China from their markets like total hypocrites.
The US car makers are such a joke. I wish they would go out of business for all their greed and lack of vision.
Trade protection will only make US companies lazier and fatter.
Who's going to make military vehicles when China declares war on the USA then?
100%. Some pick up trucks are $80k-90k now. Like what in the world. They are clearly price gouging.
that would be a disaster for tens of millions of families
They will go out of business very soon. GM and Ford's sales in China just dropped 36% this quarter, they won't last more than 3-5 years in China and that will be the end of them as China is the only market supporting their existence for the past decade !
Well automakers can always stop focusing on the rather tired SUVs. I hope BYD finds a way to bring their cars to North America. Does anyone really feel sorry for Ford or GM? Nope.
México is North America it's in the US they can't be sold
GM had the Bolt and they scraped it. It could have been the cheaper EV that alot of people could be driving now
I'm not. They have been ripping off customers for decades and selling average cars for double the money.
@@davidhein6044If they build it in Mexico that's inside NAFTA and they can sell it in the US. BYD is building a factory in Mexico.
Too bad your lawmakers don’t serve you, they serve the ultra rich
A threat to the customer? LOL legacy auto is trembling
They cost 10k in China. The legacy automakers are actually worried. They simply cannot compete on price. If BYD keep expanding and scaling the legacy brands are in trouble. You don't have to like the car but there are some gigantic markets that would eat up a 10k car... Think Brazil, India, Europe etc.
They think the customer cares about the interests of companies. They just want affordable products 😂
his customers are the legacy auto, not the ordinary car buyers
- Incumbent automakers: for years making way too large luxury EV's north of 50k 💸
- BYD: makes a small, simple EV for 11k for the people.
- Incumbents: 😦 "wait, that's illegal!"
To be fair when your executives are making $10+ million per year, it make sense to think “oh why don’t the people buy $200k trucks?”. The problem is America has been led astray by technocrats & elites, who have nothing but nepo jobs & wine on their resumes. We need disruption.
LUL idiots b mad at anti-dumping laws.
You don’t understand US market. Cheap small cars don’t sell well in USA. And Tesla model 3 and model Y sell for about $30k with incentives. You clearly don’t understand reality in US market.
BYD is a cute little company that is being helped by western investment and technology but they aren’t ready to play with big boys yet.
Biden called it cheating! 😂
Of course it's illegal cuz it's a major national security threat.
‘Free market’ to the congressmen means banning cars that government doesn’t have a stake in. 😂
总统需要摇摆州的关键选票。利益才是一切，民主？自由市场？神圣的私有制？都去他妈的！
We are about to see if it was really about climate change or lining donors pockets.
Personal EVs have always been harm reduction.
You don't get order of magnitude energy savings until you abolish R1 zoning (which bans multifamily housing and commercial space in vast tracts of land) and get most people on mass transit.
Ukraine and Gaza has laid bare that it's about the corrupted pockets and not about democracy and freedom. Same applies here. 🎉
Mass transit? That's communist talk(which most of the actually civilized world already has). How is me easily taking a bus and tram everywhere going to force me to make the second most expensive purchase Americans make(buying a big fuel inefficient car)?@@jamesphillips2285
@jamesphillips Precisely!
Exactly this, James Phillips! Too much focus on EVs and not on the real land-use policy solutions
if you review $20,000 byd higher model ,you know why US ban it
It's not banned, just not approved for sale here yet, the company hasn't tried selling its cars in the US.
@@LordDoof 🥹yes,not saying ban it but 100% tariffs？ 🥹
@@coalex9114 It's the government putting business over the people as per usual. No Americans are shocked by this.
@@LordDoof Way to put on the blinders and look 1 cm in front of your feet while walking.
@@The_Savage_Wombat Cope and sneed. A $22,000 car is as cheap as a entry Hyundai and cheaper than the hybrid. Yeah Biden made it less desirable but people could still reasonably buy it if approved by DoT.
You looked down on them.
You thought they would fail.
You sat back and did NOTHING.
Your union people had McDonald skills but asked for semiconductor pay.
Now you are trembling with fear, and 100% tariff???
LOL .... That, is called a LOSER!
Well said, price yourself out of your own economy.
well said my friend
Yep. Self-created problems, tend to not get much sympathy...
I'd buy one in a heart beat.
You think I want to put my life inside of a car that was built in the country that makes things that break easily and quickly, as a starting point? You think someone is trembling over this?
@@dighawaii1 so why your govt is afraid of these cars since the quality is so bad ?....
How does it feel to be taught a lesson in capitalism by *communists* of all people?
Without massive handouts from the Chinese government their EVs wouldn't stand a chance in the real capitalist world. Make the manufacturers pay ALL of the costs, without ANY subsidies, then you'll see just how well the cars do in Western markets!
The "Scary Communists" is just propaganda. China just does capitalism better.
I see what you mean, but the chinese government has only ever been communist in name only
A lesson? Please explain
i saw a video the other day of the american car makers complaining it was too competitive in china lol
Oh noes!! Competitive market forces are being applied to US auto makers... what ever shall we do?!?!?
Stock buy back and release the golden parachute.
The US solution to this competitive market is similar to what they did to Japanese imports when they were found to outperform US vehicles, but in this case, to an extreme by raising the tariff to 102%.
This is not 'competitive forces being applied to U.S.', this is EVs that are heavily subsidized by the CCP possibly being dumped at artificially low prices on the U.S. market creating unfair competition for U.S. auto makers.
They'll just ban them, of course, and won't offer anything comparable.
If 100% tarriffs don't work, there's always the "national security concern" card they can play. 😃😃
Imagine US' outdated power grid handling all the EVs from China if they let them in? Nope! They want to maintain the EV market 100% classist, only for the few so the people don't suffer the outages.
As for me, I love these BYD cars, for around $12K you get a nice city car with all bells and whistles of what Tesla gives you for around $40K for their basic model.
Right church, wrong pew. They don't want to protect the Grid, they want to protect Big Oil and its Big PAC donors.
So we would have to raise taxes to raise money for the cities to build electric chargers and then pay more for our electricity bill because of all the extra usage of charging everyone's cars everyday will incur. It might make sense in smaller countries, but America is too big for the whole nation to fully upgrade everything for everyone. If people really care about the enviornment then we would be using hybrids. The same amount of lithium can make 10 hybrids vs 1 fully electric car, meaning less CO2 in the air
@@PixelSubstreamI thought increasing reliance on renewables was suppose to keep cost down. Lol like everything, this "going green" thing is just a big sham
The China market saved Buick, but the Americans refused to let China cars enter the American market.😅
Let me see only way GM could sell cars in China without huge tarrifs and import restrictions was to build factory in China. Same with all other foreigners. Why do Chinese BYD think they are so special? They aren’t! Just put big boy pants on and build a factory in USA just like Geely did and stop crying like a little girl.
Tariffs are a tax upon consumers to coerce them away from choices you don't want them to make.
They are an infringement against free choice.
Except in this case, they're designed to offset the Chinese govt. subsidizing these to keep the prices low. "Buying the market" is a time-tested tradition that is absolutely anti-competitive and harmful to the consumer.
@@jaymelton2663 - and Protectionism is a time-tested way of shielding suppliers with sagging productivity and poor market offerings from facing accountability from market forces. Domestic monopolies also like to rig markets. Look at how much opposition Tesla faced from the Big 3. I can imagine that cars like this will be very hot in other parts of Asia, Latin America, Africa, and parts of Europe. These consumers across the world will all be benefiting, while US consumers will be left wanting, and lagging.
You should know given china puts tarrifs on most imported goods.
Even 100% tariff, this Seagull is still gonna be same price as entry level Corolla. The worst thing is “tariff” is actually taxing american not Chinese.
Our government is punishing Americans and denying us of affordable products.
That’s what tariffs are, make it more expensive for US customers to buy so you buy US brands instead of
@ALWH1314 why weren't you complaining "about taxing Chinese" when China had auto import tariffs of 80-100%
@@someuser7501 Such deceitfulness to try and make people believe China stifled foreign automakers while the opposite is the case. China have been the biggest profit market for the auto industry for many years in which western and Japanese industry made incredible mount of profits and now they want to stop China from their markets like total hypocrites.
@@someuser7501
Yep. You are right. Many people either have no knowledge or are just the trolls when making comments here. China has always been practicing unfair trade against the US and the EU. It is time to put that into perspective.
I'd byd one! US vehicle's cost as much as US houses did 20 years ago and that's ridiculous!
Poor!!
Your data is way off. Houses even 20 years ago cost $250k. Heck in californIa median houses 20 years ago were about $600k. Plenty of cars here in USA under $30k uSD now.
But you can never buy this Seagull cuz it would be a major national security threat.
@GTKdje3 Lol, under every comment shilling. And way to cherry pick California, which is a VHCOL state 😂
It’s about time the auto industry gets motivated to change their ways, even if they’re forced to.
Did you tell URW you support their jobs going away from Chinese trash?
That's right, all we need is a small basic car for grocery shopping and going around the block. No one needs 300 hp to take kids to school. The American car companies need a rethink of their products. American consumers are ready. If they don't change, someone will make the change for them, and it might be the Chinese car companies.
@@MetaView7that won’t happen because our country has legal bribery called lobbying that will keep Chinese companies banned due to “national security”.
Well said. Auto makers are totally ignoring what the consumers need or want.
ill pay 10.000 for a car,a new car.Otherwise ill keep riding my motorcycle that cost like 5k
You guys remember Japan's car takeover in the 70s? Yeah, it's gonna be like that, but 10x worse.
Well Japanese cars are significantly more reliable than American built cars now. US automakers have to stop building junk that falls apart after 5 years, if they want to survive in the global market.
Japan competed on quality and efficiency; that allowed them to sell a better car at a lower price… until western automakers caught up. China competes on cheap labor and government subsidies, plus they have been dumping their overflowing stock now that the Russians turn out not to want these cars… how do you compete against that? Much of our cars is already made in China, and their manufacturing processes are similar to ours; they do not have some magic sauce that allows them to produce the same car at a much lower cost.
So yes, China is going to make trouble. But not in a way that we can compete against. We’ll need import tariffs against dumping and subsidies, but our governments like cheap EVs, so it’s not likely to happen.
@@kaasmeester5903 If the quality matches up, nothing else really matters then.
@yojimbo3681 that was due to soaring gasoline prices. Small engined Japanese cars had arrived just in time.
@@someuser7501 What you think gas prices have gone down now or something?
The world wants it. The US and EU can continue playing politics.
Looks like a piece of junk to me. I'll stick with my Mercedes E450 Coupe and you can drive the glorified golf cart.
I don't know what you are talking about. It's about to be in the EU + the other models Seal, Han, Tang, Atto 3, Dolphin, and Sea Lion 7 which are already here. I was considering buying Dolphin but they are still way too expensive. They are building a factory in Hungary which will be ready next year (probably)
WHen Chines politicans come to some country they talk about economic ,how to improve things.WHen US politicans come to some country they talk about China and bring list off sanctions that should be putted ,if not then USA will sanction that country
@@user-fx7xv1dc5c True. The prices in EU will be more expensive in China but hopefully BYD will reduce their prices in the future to make it more affordable in EU and other places in the near future. It still won't be as cheap as you in China though.
@@dzonikg Yes. Exactly. That itself will tell all countries which side and path they should take.
Actually price is reduced to about $9750 now.
...a new Vespa scooter is now $8,200..........Lol.
There is a new superpower. One that has watched and learned
The United Snakes won't learn ANYTHING....ANYTHING!
@@blackknight4996LET'S GO BRANDON
Perhaps you don't realize that China's real estate market is collapsing and is about to take the entire economy down with it.
Perhaps you don't know that China is a dictatorship that micromanages the economy, steals trade secrets from the West, imprisons people who are dissatisfied with its autocratic regime, and subsidizes its EV industry far more than other countries to corner the market by dumping cheap products. Or perhaps you are like the MAGA crowd that would rather have a dictator than a Constitutional democracy.
The fact that most US vehicles today cost the same as a home costed 20 years ago is absurd. I hope this car takes off in the US soon
there's not enough infrastructure to support EV...
@@paladro..for that cheap of price and quality!....there will be!!!!
This is why Tesla gave up on a cheap EV & are going straight to robotaxi.
They are going to increase the tariffs to 100%. So this car will cost at least $22k. Welcome to US-style free market economy.
@@tomtube1012 It is not just car. The whole US system is out of whack. There are some Chinese cancer medicine that is approved by FDA, but it costs like over 200%. I dont remember the reason why, but it is not tariff. As a matter of fact, there were no competition as that is a very specialized medicine.
So the usa wants us to pay more money for cars and products that are much cheaper and better in china or other countries. Id say thats the American way🇺🇲😀😀😀
The usa is perfectly happy that you can only buy so much when the price of expensive assets is very inflated. Couldn't let people own more than they're allowed to.
If the poors have free time and money they might get ideas that aren't convenient for their landlords.
the quality of all cars is trash now compare to 20 years ago, getting a cheap chinese car will feel even cheaper in some areas but you wont notuce much difference
I doubt that thing is better
It's not a threat to customers but to competitors.
The government pays about $4B in annual subsidies directly to BYD. That isn't the efficiency of the free market, that is collusion by an authoritarian regime that cheats to get what it wants. We are right to impose prohibitive tariffs to oppose this practice.
No more unaffordable or polluting cars. I want to buy one.
I’d rather buy American and support American workers. But, American automakers only want to sell hundred thousand dollar monster trucks and SUVs to one percenters.
no you dont. Big 3 need money for polling politicans 😂😂
EVs have a very high carbon footprint, so they most certainly do pollute.
@@davidgmaloof Okay EV hater lol. Show us your source of information.
@@davidgmaloof u can accute anything with this word without data
I remember when Hyundai and Kia's where introduced in the US. They were so cheap back in the 90's. Fast forward now it's going to be EV's from China.
@ThatBlankGuy-26 I haven't seen one EV explode but plenty of ICE exploding.
We shouldn't have bailed out GM and FORD. We should have bought them for $1. Then we needed to concentrate on EVs then and produced cars for us that were only for moderate profit, proceeds split between further research and paying off the debt.
Another choice is to simply have joint ventures with China while we still can. GM already has a Chinese partner but the more the merrier.
Our lives matter WAY MORE than Wall Street. I know, if you've been brainwashed, what I just said makes no sense. But climate collapse is arriving on schedule unless we adjust YESTERDAY.
Amen 🎉
In the sixties 5 years of gross salary would pay for house, now it's an American pick up. You will own nothing and be happy.
All about the slow demise until the people accept it with open arms
BYD Seagull is easy to understand. BYD makes their own Batteries, have achieved high volume/scale and the car is very basic (I’ve been in it).
Western Automakers would rather build 1 car at $60,000 (full of stuff) than 2 basic cars at $30,000. That’s true for Combustion and EVs. They need to “remember” how to make cars affordable.
Small, basic, & affordable it's almost like you don't need an overly massive overpriced suv
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Where are the free market advocates when you need them? Let the consumers decide if they want this product. If American made cars really are better, they have nothing to worry about. If the politicians are worried about jobs they should make laws that require a certain percentage of the vehicle should be assembled here.
Or require the manufacturing facilities to comply with OSHA, EPA and US labor laws. And prove they are doing so.
We ended up buying a Nissan Versa in 2007 because we needed a car with decent gas mileage as a grocery getter and to drive on the occasional 100 mile round trip. We really wanted an electric car but figured we’d be able to buy something in a few years. Something like this is exactly what we wanted. But the industry here in America went all in on $100,000 trucks instead.
Even the EVs they want to sell you are 80k plus! 😂
Obviously we only deserve cars that are two generations behind and costs three times as much.
If there is no United States in the world. Maybe most people can live a middle-class life.
Inshallah
If there was no market for goods there would be no industry - no industry, no jobs ... then get ready to herd goats and till fields again for subsistence living.
After 2008, it's pretty clear that it's never a "free market" in the US.
America's big 3, asleep at the EV wheel for decades, even killing the EV1 a most promising early car in the 90s, now wants to change the rules of the game mid-stream.
It's
and includes chinese quality and spying
@@NoName-md5zbyou are talking to yourself.
@@NoName-md5zb 🤗🤗🤡🤡🤡
@@NoName-md5zb What value do you have to be monitored by the CCP?
@@NoName-md5zb spying you eat junk food in the car?🤣
It's a national security risk ! China must increase its price to make the car aspirational for middle class people
Sorry, BYD just lowered the price again. This car is only over 9000 dollars now
Boyd’s are everywhere in Europe.
Europe is a continent with 47 diverse countries. Where in Europe do you mean?
BYD hasn't even made it into the top 20 selling EV models in Europe yet.
@@someuser7501 Well I’ve seen them with my own eyes..
@Eliteswanteverything I didn't say there were ZERO. I'm just saying in terms of seeing EVs "everywhere" in Europe BYD is not anywhere near the top yet in sales.
Awesome little car and the price is affordable even for secondhand car buyers. I'd like to see it everywhere in the USA.
Wrong. We have had countless cheap small cars that companies have tried to sell here. Americans don’t want small cheap cars . Japanese abandoned small cars and so have Koreans as small cheap cars don’t sell well here. There is a reason why Tesla model Y crossover is beating Toyota Corolla and Hyundai Elantra .
@@GTKdje3 Right. Cars are not a one size fits all. Both big and small cars can exist together. The reason Tesla model Y is beating the vehicles you mentioned is due to fuel and maintenance costs. BYD Seagull would likely sell in very high volume due to the same reasons.
Looks like the US needs to make cars more eco friendly, reliable, smaller and most of all affordable for everyone. Fair market competition is dead.
When I was in Philippines this year I could get $15 000 Suzuki cars new that were amazing.
US import laws prevent US companies from trying to compete at the bottom.
I want one just as they are China, not bigger and more expensive.
People trashing the Chinese automaker BYD. You should know one of its investors is Warren Buffet.
That's enough reason NOT to buy one...
If it was Jimmy Buffett I'd buy one and drive it to Margaritaville.
BYD EVs like the Seal and the Dolphin gets 5 star safety ratings in Europe and Australia.
@Rickiye I believe Buffet divested in BYD.
@@johnsterling6659 If it was Jimmy Buffett I'd buy one and drive it *into* Margaritaville.
Gotta love US lawmakers loading up our only hope against this threat with frivolous lawsuits😂😂😂
This car is already the best-selling electric car in Brazil. Relatively cheap, technologically advanced and comfortable. The Brazilian government has also re-imposed tariffs on imported electric cars due to pressure from traditional automakers, but BYD has bought a former Ford factory.
The message to GM is blatantly obvious: Bring back the Spark EV with an Ultium platform version. If GM can introduce that at a similar price point to the Seagull then they can get that market segment before BYD gets it. But I have little faith that GM can do it. They've spent too many decades reading their own press releases and convincing themselves that bigger is better.
They’d rather sell 100K hummer EVs apparently.
Impossible. China owns the vertical supply chain. GM can never compete.
Sensationalized headline don't you think, AP? Isn't this what the "free market" is all about? This is what global competition is all about right?
That's what I've been told since grammar school, but the reality is that it isn't true at all. Similar to how they responded to the import of less expensive and better Japanese cars, the US govt just increased the tariff on Chinese vehicles, but to a whopping 102%.
So they charge us double and the government profits the other half?
Do you really think Chinese EVs, heavily subsidized by the CCP so that they can afford to sell them at $11,000, is "free market" and fair competition?
If you think the US is about free markets, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Not only does the USA tax this car by 25%, but they will be increasing that tax and they will be putting pressure on foreign countries to do the same. You can bank on that. USA lost the race and will now double-down on climate destroying fossil fuels.
Someone was quoted as saying this would be an extinction level event. They were correct.
The big three stopped making $12k cars long ago instead favoring $90k trucks with $30k profits.
This is one them.
Nissan is kinda bringing back $sub $20k cars. They're moving in the right direction. Nobody wants a $583 car payment on a $45k car. No. People can't afford it.
Ill take one
I'll take two!
The government needs to stop protecting these companies. Let them compete for our money
$11,000 Car ? 😂 Wonderful.
put labor unions on blast, auto workers want high six figure salaries and they want us to buy overpriced cars. then they complain when the layoffs happen.
@@abc123fhdiI think auto workers just want a living wage, do you blame them?
With the new 100% tariff, it'll be $22k.
@@abc123fhdi of course you have nothing to say about the billions the big 3 spend in stock buybacks, CEO, salaries, bonuses, and golden parachutes. It's the workers who are barely scraping by who are the problem LOL.
$120 a month payment. Yay!
US is dumb, waited way too long to embrace Tesla’s ways, and now China is scaring the auto industry.
Got my Chevy bolt for 19k after state incentives! Been 20k miles and not a single maintenance need. Pretty amazing! Cars are meant to take us places and not be a burden. I used to work on my cars and miss it a little but I’ll never go back.
Hopefully China will counter with a tariff on Elon’s telsas that he makes and sells in china.
We get so ripped off on our vehicles! Just like the insurance system, medical system,, it goes on and on and on!!!
That’s American capitalism with legal bribery called lobbying to keep out competition looks like.
It’s almost like they’ve been lying and EVs aren’t actually impossible to make competitive with gas vehicles…
The Chevy Spark EV was a WONDERFUL car -- it had excellent handling, climate control, heated seats, ridiculous torque and acceleration, 8 airbags....although a very modest range of about 87 miles. Unfortunately GM saw it as more of a compliance vehicle rather than one to cost optimize, improve the range, and sell worldwide.
They can’t do that, they’ll go bankrupt as soon as their grift wears off…they can’t even sell in other markets like Australia. They’re zombies unable to innovate. They make money off credit schemes.
I really agree with this comment. Chevy left Thailand too quickly. Maybe just a year or less before Chinese EVs are coming and growing in Thailand. The selling point of Chevy EV is: it is not a Chinese product. People don't trust in Chinese products.
Not our fault that corporate greed led us to not compete
So much for a free economy and competition.
Competition ended when the US and Europe shipped all their industries to China. Stupidity it seems, is inbuilt in the System.
Chinese consumers get a decent electric car for $11,000, whereas Americans are only able to buy basically the same things for $35,000.
no，$9750 now😂😂
The citizens of US will be delighted. It saved alot of their money.
If they wanted everyone to go electric wouldn't it make sense to roll out cheap production models.
Warren Buffet is an early investor in BYD, still a big shareholder. BYD's executive in Mexico told American reporters it has no plan to sell EV in the US. The EV charging station infrastructure is practically non-existent in the US anyway. Tesla dissolved the entire EV charging team recently.
Honestly I’d love to buy one haha would be the cheapest commuter car!
Us car manufacturers have already lost to Japanese and korean manufacturer. I think is should just allow Chinese to manufacture in US like the tsmc chips to protect the jobs.
It all started with free trade agreement. Manufacturing is cheaper overseas, they just didn't think overseas would start to compete with what was left of their markets.
The us automakers want you looking for 30 years loans for your next car
Lets just get those over here and do some joint venture. Ford can partner with them and make these like the new Fiesta or something.
Now that would be a solution. Why not just copy the Chinese joint-venture-concept? It worked for China and pride doesn't pay rent.
The auto industry thinks it is fooling people. They treat tech in cars like it's expensive to install, and it isn't. It's cheaper to put a touch screen media center in a car and make it control everything than it is to produce all the molded plastic manual switches that are in dumb cars. All this tech they are putting in vehicles is SAVING the manufacturers money and they are not passing those savings on. Their business models are not sustainable and we are seeing their demise right now. They honestly believe that people can afford a hundred thousand dollar car right now. They are out of touch with reality.
Is this about the size of the Fiat ? Starting price is around 10K+, and range is about 300km depending on loads. But it may force other EV manufacturers to compete better on price.
If you cannot compete, cry instead.
why are they in fear? the media & many car industry people says there's no interest to buy EVs.
Because they are Lying.
Because they are selling overpriced EVs. EVs should cost way less than gas cars given the simplicity.
Tesla is 40 or 50 K ... plus they have issues. Given a chance to buy one that is affordble ....
@maynotbe no interest in buying big 3 EVs..Tesla though...
EV is supposed to be at least 40% less expensive than gas cars. It’s just easier to design and manufacture. US and EU EVs have been over-designed.
The main difference is the "gas tank" of an electric car is its battery, and that's easily a $10,000-$20,000 "Gas tank". If one sold the car separate from the battery, it'd be a lot cheaper. I actually think buying the car, and renting the battery from an advanced car battery rental economy, would make a lot of economic sense. It'd be competitive with gas vehicles if "done well". US Gov likes colluding with billionaires, though, so that might be wishful thinking.
I hope they also make it customer friendly. No unnecessary software, or services a customer needs to subscribe to.
Instead of investing to make our own industries more competitive, our go-to option is banning competition. The American way! I wonder where all of these large corporations would be without constant bailouts and protection from the US government. Maybe we would have affordable vehicles and planes that don’t fall apart in the sky.
I want two.
I'll buy one to open it and analyze.
Yeah sure thing sunshine.
I understand thevbiggest Japanese publishing company Nikkei BP did a teardown of the Byd Seal to learn about the future ev leader design philosophy.
Also, remember that there is a whole world of people interested in inexpensive electric cars, in countries that have no car manufacturers, with actually open economies.
Chilean here. I live in a strictly middle/working class neighborhood. There are chargers for cars already.
Made the mistake of telling an expat friend who lives in the US about all the BYDs I’m seeing on the roads here. He’s been angrily silent ever since.
Where's Elio's made in America, electric car they've been promising?
I know right? I had hopes but after the first decade of waiting I gave up...
Aptera
@@dev.microcosm Not made by Elio I'm thinking
Lol USA can't play Capitalists there being beat by china lol lol
Americans should be able to buy directly from the manufacturer! We don't need to pay jacked up prices from a useless dealer!
People in the USA (and elsewhere) need an $11k USD car!
“Trembling with fear.” Nice job with the impartial journalism, AP. Clickbait over ethics.