Another thing kinetic jaunt is good for: escaping silence! No vocal components, and if you're surrounded by enemies, it doesn't matter, you can walk through them!
I’m curious when using kinetic jaunt if you could teleport an enemy onto a vertical surface? Technically, a vertical wall could hold the weight of a creature if only for a second.
@@TheDMNMOR you're thinking of vortex warp, and I don't believe so. I think the intention is that the surface can support their weight safely and for prolonged periods. Anything where they'd fall as soon as they landed is out of the question.
Keep in mind the next nearest spell that lets you teleport an unwilling creature (not including teleportation circle or arcane gate as you just drag someone through no save needed) is the 6th level spell scatter. And there are many places you could move someone with out them being safe, like any ongoing aoe spell such as cloudkill or flaming sphere that happens to be sitting next to a locked cage.
Silvery Barbs is too perfect for Order Domain Cleric. Enemy: "Take this slash from my sword you Rogue!" Order Domain Cleric: "Not only is my spell gonna increase the odds you miss, but my voice of authority is gonna give my rogue ally a chance to attack with advantage immediately!"
another interesting use of silvery barbs, if someone has to roll to counter spell and they succeed you can impose disadvantage for the cost of a first level spell
@@Mr1991bbk You would know if they succeeded at some point, then you react with the spell. You are describing a "That guy" DM, basically at this point. LOL
@@Mr1991bbk What? What are you even going on about? Like you said, unless a character is stealthed, behind cover or unable to be seen by any other way, you know what's going on around you. It's not just that characters "have eyes on the back of their heads", but most spells have a tell, whether a sound or movement of some kind.
My ruling as a DM for a "liquid that can support the target" would be that it only counts if that creature can float naturally, otherwise it's not actually supporting it.
I have to say that I appreciate WotC's effort to diversify the use of Hit Dice, as it makes a whole new tree of synergies. For example, I like that a Sorcerer with a Bloodwell Vial can just target themselve with Wither and Bloom in order to recover sorcery points mid-battle.
I see that none of these spells are for the half-casters like you said. Especially when Strixhaven is supposed to be open to even non-magic users. So you'd think all casters would have new spells, especially for a school-based on magic.
I understand if you take the Strixhaven background you get a free feat that gives you a bunch of spells appropriate to the college you pick. So your half.caster can get access to more magic really easily.
It should be noted that paladins and rangers can get access to one of these spells. The feats that make you a part of one of five schools add that schools spell to your spell list.
Noteworthy, some of these new spells are interesting choices for the Artificer’s Spell Storing Item, or for the Wizard’s Spell Mastery feature. Vortex Warp on a Spell Storing Item is a lot of teleportation, transferable between characters. Totally worth swapping out the normal staple of Web, potentially (I dunno, Web is still awesome, but I’d consider it for a change). Spell Mastery in Borrowed Knowledge is just Proficiency in everything. Not game breaking, but certainly a cool concept to play about with. Silvery Barbs and Spell Mastery. I mean, we were all thinking it, so I wanted to mention it.
Imagine your party member gets locked up in ultra max jail and they're stuck there, with vortex you can just pull them out through a window from the hill above the jail.
One of my favourite combinations for hitdice is having the Periapt of Wound Closure on a Pact of Chain Warlock with the Gift of the Ever Living One's invocation. So long as your familiar is within 100 feet of you, any hitdice you roll immediately grant you 16+Con health. And Wither and Bloom cast on that warlock would provide some insane healing
I like reaction spells because it helps give that "wizard duel" vibe that the initiative system hampers. I think it could be cool to have a caster who specializes in reactions, if there were enough reaction spells. But Silvery Barbs is a bad level 1 spell. OP. Consider ounterspell, a reaction spell which cancels other creature's spell actions after the fact, is a third level spell. It has been called OP and a game wrecker by some. Silvery Barbs cancels anything requiring a d20, can be invoked after that roll is deemed a success, can give advantage, and is only first level. Too powerful. Needs nerfing, or spell level should be upped.
-Wrong. It makes someone re-roll or roll in general on a ST, Ability Check, or Attack, after they succeeded once. -Meaning it can still succeed, and it needs to fit in 1 of those 3. -Depending on the creature used on, and which success is targeted, it can be worse or better than a 50/50, more likely to be worse. But is just an extra chance in the caster's or their ally's favor.
it's actually also a legendary resistance wrecker, ie: bbeg fails a save bbeg uses LR aka chooses to succeed caster reacts by casting silvery barbs bbeg doesn't even need to roll, it's a fail option a) bbeg takes it, basically burning away their legendary resistance for nothing option b) bbeg burns another LR, opening up the potential of another caster repeating the cycle 3 lvl 1 slots should Not be able to reliably erase bbeg's LRs for the day
@@mel-burnes this doesn’t work. If they use their legendary resistance, they succeed regardless of the roll. Crawford (at least I believe it was him but perhaps it was Perkins) has said you can’t even use Silvery Barbs against Legendary Resistance because the success isn’t tied to the failing roll anymore so a reroll would literally be impossible.
IDK planeswalkers that much, but ain't she evil and only redeeming factor for a long time is a love of Jace or something? IDK if the book introduced any planeswalkers, but I doubt it.
@@RedrumZombies i don't know if liliana is on strixhaven book but in magic the gathering she is a teacher at Strixhaven with a new identity "Professor Onyx". She changed when Gideon Jura gave his life for her
These are some absurd spells, at least for their level range. I often find myself with an abundance of first level spell slots, so Silvery Barbs is insane, even more for that. Pseudo-Disadvantage that also grants advantage? Absurd. Vortex Warp is fine, probably be more reasonable if it was maybe a third level spell. That upcasting bonus is really cool though, and much appreciated. I'm tired of upcasts just being 'add 1 more dice roll' because rolling these 8d6s was already so much fun. Hopefully we can see a trend in varied upcasts in 5.5/6e.
@@Mr1991bbk I've almost never played a game where your line of sight was restricted to exclusively directly in front of you on reactions. You can see the entire battlefield, so long as they are within your view range and not behind full cover or stealthed, they're in your line of sight. Also, I don't believe subtle spell interacts with Silvery Barbs in any capacity. You only need to see them succeed on a d20 roll. Subtle Spells only hide Verbal and Somatic components during the cast, aka gestures and words. In a vast majority of DM rulings, you'll still know if the roll is a success. It's also used for more than just Spell Attack rolls, in fact those are likely to be one of the last things you want to spend that on. Saving Throws from your own spells are what I imagine the most useful and common application will be, or on critical hits. Not to mention, you can eventually just make it your signature spell as a Wizard, allowing you to freely force a re-roll every turn, but that's at high level play which almost no campaign really delves into, and balancing at that point is thrown out the window.
@@Mr1991bbk You can still look away from a Basillisk by... not looking at it lol. They are saying that if something is in your sight it doesnt take any action or require it to be your turn to look at them, so essentially if you want you can be "looking" at all directions. The entire reason we have necks is to do things like that so not being able to look around when its not your turn is a really weird ruling. Even if we dont see them *cast* we can still see them *succeed*. If you throw a fireball at someone and it begins disappearing before it hits them than you have seen them succeed on their ability check for counterspell, and therefore can Silvery Barbs
@@Mr1991bbk Nothing in the spell requires you to know what spell they are casting or whatever, you simply must see them succeed at something. You are looking at them and they succeeded, therefore Silvery Barbs. I think you are forgeting sound is a thing lol. Unless something has taken the hide action it makes perceivable sound, so if the Orc is swinging down at a teammate behind you you will hear it, so being incapable of taking the .4 milliseconds to turn your neck is just asinine
@@Mr1991bbk I mean cool, but of the over 400 beasts in the bestiary, not too many of them are Wood Elf Rogues lol. And still, when they attack they are revealed, so can be silvery barbed on attack rolls still. This sort of arguement, that because there is *a* way to get past silvery barbs therefore its useless is like, really bad. Most spells require you to see the target to cast. That does not mean every spell is useless.
@@Mr1991bbk Not many creatures have invisibility, See Invisibilty is a low level spell, and you have a whole team who can reveal an enemy. Even than, a monster destroying its action economy to stop one reaction 1st level spell is a HUGE win. This really isnt the bombshell proof that Silvery Barba isnt good that you think it is. All these things youre listing counter tons of other highly agreed upon great spells as well.
Wither and blooms ability would stack nicely with someone who has the pact of the familiar invocation that maximizes your healing. Either yourself or an ally with a large hit die would heal a fair bit in addition to doing damage. Though I wish it did also have the con mod of the creature added too, since this does cost a spell slot.
Yeah I don't know what Wizards is thinking with silvery barbs. It takes one of the most powerful abilities of arguably the most powerful subclass in the game or at least up there with the chronurgy wizard and lets you cast it instead of twice per day way more as a first level spell. This can turn a hail mary save or suck casting of a spell into an oh this hold monster vs a creature with a good save and magic resistance will work more often than not. Plus it takes the flavor of the chronurgy and divination wizard and gives it out for free to all the wizards. And it gives advantage to top it off. This spell could not give advantage and be 3rd level and then be well balanced. I haven't banned any published material from wizards at my tables yet but this, and the backgrounds in this book had to fit into that category. Love a lot of the other spells though!
And what’s nuts is that it will make advantage into a pseudo “triple disadvantage”. As a FIRST LEVEL SPELL, it completely negates and even twists the Magic Resistance trait of many legendary monsters to be WORSE than rolling normally, since the wording of the spell just says “the lowest roll”. Then you give someone advantage! Absolutely nuts
_Borrowed knowledge, kinetic jaunt,_ and _wither and bloom_ are perfectly fine. I wish _kinetic jaunt_ followed the established precedent for shunting (either 1d10 force damage or twice the number of feet you are shunted), and I wish _wither and bloom_ just gave healing instead of requiring a Hit Die, but there's nothing absurd about them as is. _Vortex warp_ is only busted in terms of range. From one end of the 90-foot-radius circle to the other is *180 feet.* For only a 2nd level spell slot. Teleporting an enemy into lava isn't awful because it's a Con save, and most monsters have high Con. _Silvery barbs_ is just full of oversights. Should've been a 2nd level spell like the rest of them, you shouldn't be able to do it on your own spells, and granting advantage should've been contingent on the initial target still failing (if for no other reason than flavor). If you change the duration to Conc., up to 1 minute, you could leave it as a 1st level spell.
I feel like some of these new spells are just to strong for their level. And poor knowledge domain cleric. Their channel divinity was bad enough, now there is just a spell that exactly does the same.
Vortex Warp gives me interesting idea for encounter where enemy caster is warden of prison and can force party into cages (possibly already occupied by monsters)
It can also be put on Abberant Mind's Psionic list meaning they can cast it with Sorcery Points with no Verbal or Somatic components which also means its not a viable target for Counterspell.
@@RedrumZombies counter spell requires you to see the spell, subtle spell means there is nothing to see, thus counter spell cant counter a spell you cant see being cast.
I'm glad you pointed out the magic item combo for wither and bloom. I knew about durable but not the second effect of the item considering I mostly play a hollow one reborn for the undead feel and the wound closure prevents death saves which makes the rolling at advantage and standing up on 16 not pop off so I've ignored it. I'm definitely going to have to reconsider now.
Playing a Spirits Bard as the primery healer in one of my games and I'm 100% gonna be grabbing Wither and Bloom and SIlvery Barbs for her. With a party of her, 2 barbs, a pali and a druid, that wither and bloom spell will be an excellent go to for a choice from Spirit Session or Magical Secrets
I think the difference between Silvery Barbs and Vortex Warp is a good indication of where the line goes between really powerful spell and completely busted spell. I'd still allow VW, it wont completely fuck up my game tho it would see heavy use for sure.
Until they realize that they could put them 90ft up in the air. That's an easy 9d6 of damage or more if they don't have a way to counter it and it puts them prone.
@@MrBlancify Well not raw but with some creativity (and questions for the dm) you can do it. Mage hand pully shenanigans with a platform or have a platform held up by a mage hand that's 10 pounds total and when they get teleported on the hand it can't lift it anymore. The platform can support them (just wood planks or a big wicker basket) but the thing supporting the platform can't.
I just really like seeing better forms of upcasting being done with these spells, mainly Vortex Warp. A utility/battle management spell that actually gains increased usage with higher spell slots. With 9th tier you can teleport someone 240 feet, not insane for 9th tier but pretty well scaled. Coupled with another spell caster or you have some kind of surface-creating-spell, you can theoretically drop enemies from 240 feet in the air. This is also great for out of combat usage like solving puzzles or navigating terrain.
Silvery barbs is just chronurgy wizards 2nd level feature 'chronal shift' but better and not limited to 2 per long rest -_-. What are Wizards on??? (Because that shit must be intense for them to f*ck this up so much) Edit We talk a lot in the community about how strong this wizard subclass is, again how crazy are Wizards???
There's a massive power divide between wizards and every other class, and wotc is working around the clock trying as hard as they can to push that divide even further.
As an aberrant mind sorc, it might be best for me to take silvery barbs as a psionic spell, then get rid of heightened magic since silvery barbs is basically just an upgraded version of it, for 2 points less.
@@HughRGlen I mean, if you wanted to go hardcore you could use it as a fail safe. cast the spell with heightened, then if they still succeed, use silvery barbs. But you would be using a lot of resources to do that. The only thing your getting out of using heightened over barbs is you can still have your reaction. But if my reaction it used to give an enemy disadvantage, and give an ally advantage, that sounds to good to pass up. It's like the heightened spell and a help action in one. Pair that with the other spells I'm using now, synaptic static, Raulothims psychic lance, and all the enchantment spells I have. It'll be crazy. My aberrant mind has everything subtle spelled due to the psionic sorcery stuff and subtle spell itself. So we are like 10 sessions in and my party is just now starting to figure out I have magic(mostly because the pshycic lance and a tavern night). So adding this to my psionic spells gives me a super cheap and easy way to buff and debuff at the same time.
@@HughRGlen I just realized something else, with hold person and heightened spell, they only have disadvantage on the first save when casting the spell. For the cheap cost of 1 sorcery point a turn as an aberrant, or two as other subclasses, you can give them disadvantage on every following save when trying to break free. That is something heightened cant do at all.
Favorite thing about Silvery Barbs? It doesn't give "disadvantage," it only forces a new roll. Meaning? It stacks with disadvantage giving double disadvantage!! WHAT!? Every Arcane Trickster just jizzed their britches.😄
You know how many mid to high level monsters have grapple abilities? I love the idea of being able to teleport my ally (or the monster for that matter) out of the grapple before they get swallowed for the 1,2,3, 7th? time?
DnD Shorts has a video about a dwarven monk combo with the durable feat, periapt of wound closure, and the feat dwarven fortitude. If they take the dodge action as a bonus action they can heal a significant amount for the cost of 1 hit die and 1 ki point.
Oh the teleportation shenanigans… this makes me want to somehow get a whole bunch of jellies, Articifer up some alchemist fire and just teleport enemies into them before setting off the AF via easy to shatter vials or conversely, getting a whole bunch of small jellies and teleport them on to the backs of enemies
Very flavorful, but I'd have to allow half casters to have access to some of these- like Paladins for the Lorehold spell, or Rangers and the Witherbloom spell.
Eloquence bards seeing silvery barbs and realizing they can use literally every slot in their action economy to nuke enemy saving throws: "*maniacal laughter*"
I totally agree I was disappointed that one 5 spells were added in this book. At least 3 per college would have been great. Borrowed Knowledge is okay, but it seems weak for a 2nd level spell and it is competing with Enhance Ability which gives Adv on all checks associated with a stat. The nice thing is this spell can stack with Enhance Ability since it is not Conc. I think it would have made more sense if the spell let you target a creature and select a skill the target is proficient with, you then get Proficiency and can use your spellcasting modifier instead of the skills normal stat modifier. Then you could actually be borrowing knowledge. The other reason to differentiate the spell is that Knowledge Clerics already get Knowledge of the Ages via Channel Divinity. Kinetic Jaunt is very weak, when you consider there is Zephyr Strike at 1st level which allows you to ignore opportunity attacks and Ashardalon's Stride at 3rd level. Both of these spells deal additional damage in different ways. Kinetic Jaunt should have dealt some sort of damage just for thematic purposes. This is the Prismari spell which is about mixing magic with the arts. If say the spell mentioned that the 1st time you move in your turn everyone within 5 ft. takes 1d6 of your choice of Cold, Fire or Lightning damage it would make the spell worth 2nd level. Silvery Barbs is SOOO good, I am happy it was added to Bards since it offers non-Lore and Eloquence Bard's a defensive reaction if in a more limited way. It cannot be Twinned or Split but does work with the Order Domain's 1st level feature. I think it is under costed, it should be a 2nd level spell. this would limit it's use more since you only get three 3rd level spell slots and people wouldn't be able to take it with the Fey-Touched Feat. Vortex Warp is okay, it isn't going to reliably reposition an enemy due to it being a Con Save. It can move an ally reliably, it is basically a single target version of Scatter. Wither and Bloom is exciting in that we see WotC utilizing Hit Die outside of a Short Rest. Something I have been asking for, for a long time. It is a decent low level damaging Necromancy spell. It works with Necromancers Grim Harvest, it works with Life Cleric healing, Circle of Wildfire's Enhanced Bond, etc... As you mentioned there are some cool Hit Die interactions as well.
Kinnectic jaunt is kinda strong because it stack with other similar effects. Bladesinger can expendious retreat, Kinnectic and haste with bladesong and you are a 120ft move with all the other stuff on top of each other you are basically untouchable.
Silvery Barbs gets by legendary resistances (the wording says when they succeed, choosing to succeed still counts) this means that even if the reroll is a success, their initial roll still failed and that legendary resistance is wasted
@@manbearpun5447 but the wording is specific it doesn't say when the target rolls a success, it says when they succeed. Using a LR means they choose to succeed. SB works RAW
@@BubblingBrooke No, the wording is vague and then the actual description of the spell specifies that a d20 reroll is involved i.e. the success SB interacts with is a success gained via a d20. You can't reroll a non roll and LR is not a roll, it is an auto success. SB does not work with LR by RAW. By RAW it only interacts with rolls. So anything in the game that can give you a successful attack roll, saving throw or ability check without a d20 roll cannot have SB interact with it. Now if you want to talk murky, you could for example argue that SB can interact with Portent since it technically is based on a d20 roll. Just not one that happen to occur in the moment.
@@manbearpun5447 i just reread the spell just to double check the working and in terms of saving throws specifically using LR it is rules as written can be effected. The LR making it so that the saving throw succeeds works with the wording of the spell. The spell being super vague and not specifying a roll of the dice for saving throws specifically means that LR can apply. In cases I've seen the dm will roll first and if they would fail will then use an LR to succeed. Would you not say it works then? I would say it definitely works then. Even if not it forces the creature to roll regardless. Every time LR is mentioned, its an override and uses the term "can choose to succeed instead" whenever they fail a saving throw. The wording matches.
@@BubblingBrooke LR gives a monster an auto success. That is not the same thing as a successful d20 roll. Yes, the outcomes are the same but how they get there differs and SB ONLY works with a successful d20 roll, which is then rerolled as per the spells description. There is no way to get around LR. That is by design. SB may be powerful for a 1st level spell and be a sign of power creep but LR still holds true. At no point in 5e should players be given something that overrides LR short of Wish. But as there are much better uses of the spell, no one would use such in that manner.
Looking at Vortex Warp, there's some wiggle room in the wording, I feel. "that can support the target without the target having to squeeze" could mean, as you take it, "could support the target's volume", but it could also be a clumsy way of saying (a) can support the target (ie, they can stand there without falling or falling in), and also (b) the target won't be squeezing to be there. But also you probably can't teleport someone into lava because the space you send them to you need to be able to see, and you can't see into the lava. (Unless you've got some kind of vision such that you can.) Still a pretty busted spell. Maybe destroy the supports for a bridge and send it plummeting into a chasm... then teleport someone onto the "surface" that is a flat surface that happens to be gathering downward momentum...
Yes, by definition “Ice that is able to support target would not be thin’. You can throw them into AoE effects though like web, entangle, or hunger of hadar
I don't think teleporting someone onto lava would work for vortex warp because it says on a surface that can support them, and lava wouldn't qualify because you'd sink into lava and therefore not be supported. The liquid part of the description I'm pretty sure is meant to be used if you want to teleport someone to a position you can see under water - or I guess in another transparent liquid - just letting you know that you can use it there also without having to teleport someone to the ground at the bottom of the body of water. But I think otherwise the surface you teleport someone onto has to be solid at the time of the teleportation. So you could put them on top of a wall of force etc and then subsequently drop them into lava by canceling the wall, but I don't think you could teleport them directly on top of the lava (or on top of any other liquid I presume) because of the above and can't teleport them into the lava because you wouldn't be able to see the location. I wonder if you can teleport someone that is unconscious. So that you could teleport an ally that has been downed away from enemies that would otherwise be able to subsequently attack them to finish them off. It still has to be done on your turn because it takes an action, but if you're turn came before the other enemies then you should be able to do it in time to save the character.
So you can combo Warp and Barbs. Cast Vortex Warp on an ally, they roll and save, Barbs their success, they fail, give them advantage and 180 feet of movement...
You could definitely put an enemy into a pool of lava/acid... heck, you could probably put them into a bonfire. Teleporting them into/onto a Gelatinous Cube sadly doesn't work. The cube counts as an occupied space since it is a creature. Technically speaking, you also can't teleport/summon something above a creature as well as they count occupied space as if on a 2D grid, so teleporting them above the cube so they drop into it also does not work (not that it would anyways, because I don't think teleporting someone above an object counts either). Still plenty of shenanigans you can do with this!
Silvery Barbs is insanely strong for a 1st Level spell. Honestly, that seems closer to a 3rd level slot type of power, especially since it ALSO gives advantage to an ally. Forcing a re-roll of a saving throw on an enemy alone is already and amazing spell. This is basically the Lucky feat in spell form, but enhanced.
Truth. It genuinely confused me that there are some people who can't reason out how OP for a 1st level spell that is. This isn't actual disadvantage either... so it stacks with disadvantage. It's only almost a 3rd level spell. If they knocked off the free Inspiration, it would be a 2nd level spell. But probably should have Somatic components as well.
@@manbearpun5447 it doesn't interact with rolls, it interacts with the instance of a save. now, do i think it should override lr? hell no. but raw it absolutely does. lr makes you succeed on a save, sb makes you roll and take the lowest. even assuming lr turns the die roll into success, if the second roll is a failure, sb forces you to *use* it. regardless what happened prior again, im not saying it should work this way, nor am i saying that any reasonable dm would ever allow that, but there's an argument to be made that erasing lrs is fully raw
@@mel-burnesNo. SB interacts with successful d20 rolls, which is why the target is made to reroll said d20. LR is not a roll of any kind, it is an auto success. SB therefore can't affect it or anything for that matter that causes a success of any kind without a d20 roll such as for example, the Sculpt Spells feature for Evocation wizards. This isn't complicated. A spell is read as a whole yet everyone keeps taking the Casting Time description out of the context established in the spells actual description to justify allowing SB to interact with LR or similar auto successes like Sculpt Spells. This is not how SB works. The spell description is clear. "The triggering creature must reroll the d20 and use the lower roll." which means the trigger for SB is a successful d20 roll. Because rerolls can only occur with rolls. Again, this is not complicated.
Order Domain Cleric, Voice of Authority. Vortex Warp, Silver Barbs and even wither and bloom are all insane with a 1 level dip in Order Domain for Voice of Authority giving the added rider or a free reaction attack is unreal
The Sorcerer's Distant Spell could be quite useful with Vortex Warp, for 1 sorcery point its like you cast the spell at 5th level. Also imagine 2 sorcerers daisy chaining across the battle field.
Silvery Barbs is super strong, absolutely. But I'm not entirely focused on that. I'm looking at Kinetic Jaunt. I look at that, and then I look at Zephyr Strike and say "Huh. Wizards really trying to make Ranger feel even worse compared to other classes, aren't they?"
Imagine being a new DM and a player shows up playing a chronurgy wizard who hands out spell motes with this to familiars/ other party members/ tiny servants/ etc to cast whenever an enemy does something that seems even remotely important.
The second feature for silvery barbs was not only unnecessary from a power standpoint but it also is kind of annoying in that you don't have a choice over when you have that advantage. If someone forces you to make a saving throw or ability check you will have advantage on that roll even if you'd prefer to use it for an attack later. But it also becomes something you have to keep track of to make sure it gets applied to that next roll.
Something that's insane about _Silvery Barbs..._ IT'S NOT DISADVANTAGE. Unless I'm crazy, _IT IS WORDED SIMILARLY TO THE WAY THE LUCKY FEAT IS._ This spell is insane. It should be a 3rd level spell _AT MINIMUM_ balance-wise. I'm not saying that the spell is bad, because I really like the concept. However, it is far too powerful. It turns advantage into super disadvantage for the enemy, and it gives an ally advantage in their next attack. I would totally allow this spell in my games with the following changes: 1) It's a 3rd level spell 2) The secondary effect is removed 3) It activates whenever the target makes the check instead of when the target succeeds. If you wanted to keep it as a lower level spell, I would do the following: 1) Split the effects into two separate spells. The first effect stays is a 2nd level spell, and the second effect is a cantrip. 2) The first effect activates whenever the target makes a check, instead of when the target succeeds a check. 3) The first effect imposes disadvantage instead of its current effect 4) The second effect takes an action to cast instead of a reaction 5) The second effect costs concentration. Edit: Also, _Vortex Warp_ is the same thing, but it is also being changed to a 4th-level spell at my table. There will be more restrictions, and no up casting. I like the spell tho. Boom. Fixed. Feel free to tell me why I'm wrong. Seriously. I wanna learn.
Hate to be this guy Ted, but Shatter is a 60 ft range/10ft sphere same as Wither and Bloom, Shatter is also a Constitution save, Shatter does 3d8 instead of W&B's 2d6, it just doesn't have any additional effects(aside from creatures being made of inorganic material having disadvantage on the save)
I have a different reading on warp (at least in a few of your examples) thin ice, for example, would not support the moved creature, likewise, you can’t realistically swim or stand in molten lava. That said: a pool of acid or poison (or your wall of force example) are fair game, and there is nothing stoping you from moving someone to a ledge, and then following up with a bull rush.
Wintry Wyvern pointed out that Silvery Barbs could be argued to take affect AFTER a Legendary Resistance is spent, forcing the monster to roll its save again after having spent the Legendary Resistance. I won't be allowing that at my table, because holy hell, but I do feel like the argument is valid.
Wizards of the Coast: Lets make a magical school about where potent spellcasters are trained! *Adds 5 measly spells and a paltry handful of magic items, most of which are nearly identical.
All 5 of these spells are really good. Silvery Barbs is already banned at a lot of tables, of course, but Vortex Warp is also crazy! (shouldn't it be a CHA save, though?)
So here are all the issues I've managed to come up with for *Silvery Barbs* alone: - The Heightened Spell Metamagic allows you to force a target to roll a saving throw with disadv. for three (3) sorcery points. This is a 1st Level spell, so it can be substituted for two (2) sorcery points, which makes it a better choice at the cost of a reaction. Moreover, you decide to use after the target rolls, so it's never a gamble on whether you should have used it. - It can be used on Attack Rolls, Ability Checks or Saving Throws... >So this can potentially negate critical hits. >force a target to re-roll a saving throw against a "save or suck" spell (e.g. hold person), which essentially means you can cast a high level (up to 9) spell again (reroll) as a reaction for the cost of a 1st level spell >force a target to re-roll a counterspell check, potentially allowing a powerful attack to go through - It can be occasionally better than a Shield spell because it negates crits and can always potentially work even if the initial attack roll is really high - As an 18th level wizard (pretty late game but still), it can be cast for free, always, meaning it should be cast every turn - It can be used in tandem with disadvantage to give triple disadvantage and a feat like Lucky to give quadruple disadvantage - On top of all this crap, it also gives inspiration
If you think it is too powerful, give it concentration. That cuts much of its power out since it will be most effective with concentration-based spells. Also, in late game most monsters you fight have some kind of magic resistance. So it isn't as much of a big deal as you might think it is.
There is something interesting about Wither and Bloom in that it would technically let a necromancer heal their undead minions. It's been stated by Jeremy Crawford before that monsters can spend hit dice when they short rest, so that's been the means in which players with minions can allow them chances to heal. Will this use of the spell come up too often? Maybe not. I'd think letting a player spend hit dice would be more beneficial, but keeping your zombie up so it can keep tanking hits might be worthwhile.
Additional point: I believe this would also be quite beneficial for your wildshaped druid party members. While wild shaped, a druid assumes their forms hit points and hit dice. As such, a druid can expend one of their wild shape forms to heal their animal form and not expend any of their druid hit die. On the contrary, they’d be unable to spend their druid hit die or heal up their non-wild shaped form at all. So this gives a druid access to their form’s hit dice in a manner that doesn’t require a short rest while in animal form.
6:40 @Nerd Immersion With "SILVERY BARBS", you can bypass Legendary Resistance!! It never says something like "When the target rolls a 1d20 and succeeds". Just that "When they succeed in relations to a ST, Ability check, or attack roll".
This right here is an example of someone trying to cheese themselves around LR using SB. The spell description specifically says the target rerolls the d20 roll. LR is not a roll. You can't reroll a non roll. But if you like cheese, you could use SB to reroll Portent as that is based on a d20 roll. Though thematically it makes no sense whatsoever, so as a DM I'd probably rule it doesn't interact with Portent even though it technically does by RAW.
@@manbearpun5447 6:40 Literally, says: "1 reaction, which you take when a creature you can see within 60ft of yourself succeeds on an attack roll, an ability check, or a saving throw." LR: "If the [blank] fails a saving throw, it can choose to succeed instead." Which is a success on a Saving throw... In the description/effect of the spell: "The Triggering creature must reroll the d20 and use the lower roll". They did roll, or via rules you roll before you use a LR... The success never had to be the roll, and it's still a success on a saving throw... This isn't like Disadvantage, nor Advantage. This is calculated when the "ping" for if it is a success. Which LR does. When it comes to using a 2nd LR to negate the spell??? Eh? IDK for either side of the argument... FFS they added Monsters that when they would have died, get back up to near full HP with everything nearly back, including all LRs... On top of the Mythic Actions they get next, and things getting more than 3 LRs in general.
@@RedrumZombies SB causes you to reroll the d20 that gave you the success. LR is not a roll and thus, SB does not apply to LR. You can say, "But LR was activated due to a failed roll." and you would be correct but SB doesn't interact with failed rolls, it only interacts with successful ones. SB does not interact with LR. You can't cheese your way around them anymore than you can the Mythic Trait. They literally exist to avoid player cheese.
For way to make thoses spells better : vortex warp + the meta magic to double range you can make an ally or an enemy move 360 feet away from his previous position (if he is at the end of your 180 feet of range.
Ever since I read Silvery Barbs I've been wanting to make "the most annoying character ever". So far I know it will have some Divination Wizard levels and pick up Silvery Barbs and Counterspell. What other "I can't let you do that DM!" features can yall think of to add on?
The most interesting Silvery Barbs use that someone pointed out was that the language used in the spell implies that it can override Legendary Resistance. Pretty sure that’s not RAI, but it might be RAW. (Note: Incorrect! Corrected below.)
@@danieldurham5891 the trigger for Silvery Barbs as written is “succeeds on an attack roll, an ability check, or a saving throw.” It does not say anything about rolling a die. While I agree that this is certainly not intended to bypass legendary resistance, I still believe that the wording does permit that use.
@@StevenBryceWroten even if the creature reroll a 1, he succeeds in the action, because legendary resistance makes the action successfull, not the roll
@@ruggerosimonetta2885 I stand corrected regarding legendary resistance wording! I thought that legendary resistance worked by having the creature act as though they had succeeded on the saving throw roll, and that this could bypass it. Instead it simply says “it can choose to succeed instead”! Learn something new every day! Thank you!
@@StevenBryceWroten SB can only interact with rolls. The first paragraph says as much due to the target having to reroll the d20 (that formerly gave them said success). So anything that grants a success that isn't based on a roll (such as LR) cannot have SB interact with it.
Just upcast vortex warp and then teleport them as high as you can up in the air. Fall damage ain't no joke and if you don't have lava or some river to sweep them away it works pretty well.
Just love Borrowed Knowledge. I will use it with my cleric. As it isn't a concentration spell, you can mix it with the Guidance cantrip. Very good, IMO
You could take Silvery Barbs on an Aberrant Mind Sorcerer as one of your Psionic Spells and be able to cast it without components for the cost of 1 Sorcery Point.
The artificer spells I feel aren't too terribly useful for the artificer themselves but are pretty good for spell storing give the jaunt to classes that very much rely on their mobility to be effective and having anyone have the ability to teleport them or their enemies 10 times is pretty good
I have two thoughts. First: my issue with Silvery Barbs is that it mimics other things but has more utility and uses. For example, I have a chronurgy wizard, who gets the chronal shift ability. This is a reaction to force a reroll on an any roll (so can be used to turn an ally's failed save into a success, but usually is reserved as an anti crit button), similar to the barbs spell. However, it is only 2 uses per long rest, has a 30ft range, and you don't use the better roll, you are forced to take the new one. Which means you could accidentally turn an enemy hit into a crit. Barbs can be used many more times, especially with updating or an 18th level wizard at will. Second: PHB: "You can end concentration at any time (no action required)." By RAW, you don't need to ready an action to drop concentration. You can just drop it whenever you want.
You could teleport them on top or a rope strung between two buildings. It can support their weight, but can that dude in plate mail balance? Lol Or how about a tree branch 90ft up in the air?
Wow, all this time I thought reaction spells were the same as bonus action spells; meaning you could only cast a cantrip if you had already cast a spell during your turn. This would prevent you from counterspelling an enemy counterspelling you (which makes no sense IMO). Yikes! I am going to leave that house rule in place at my table.
My playgroup has house ruled that you just can't cast a second spell on the same turn unless it is a cantrip. however a round is a different matter, so you can fireball and counterspell in the same round, just not in the same turn. This prevented the bonkers counterspell wars that would happen because half the party knew it and every caster they went up had to know it to keep the party from from using it to stop any and every enemy spell. I think we had one turn of combat with upwards of 6 counterspells cast... it got tiring to run and play in.
@@RedrumZombies Its not that no one can react on a PC's turn, its that during its turn, no character (PC, enemy, or otherwise) can use one of their reactions. There are a very small group of edge cases that this hits other than counterspell so it really hasn't been an issue.
@@RedrumZombies I just limit them to casting one spell per turn. They are free to take reactions during their own turn, including casting a cantrip in addition to a spell. I don't want to limit their action economy, just multiple spells during their own turn.
Wither and Bloom does not state that damage must be dealt in order to heal someone. This is very close to being a true healing spell which wizards can access. Spell Mastery, anyone? (also for Silvery Barbs)
So while playing a Strixhaven game you choose a college and get the spells from that college added to your list, this makes it less painful for the Druid and Warlock but I’m still pretty sure they got shafted by WoTC again.
I swear every time we get a magic the gathering book it contains really op stuff like in ravnica had the races and backgrounds that add to your spell list in the Odyssey one we got the collage of eloquence (wile I personally think that the satyr is op as well people are kinda on the fence about it) then we have this book that is SO op that I swear they were like balance what's that.
The way that it's worded, it sounds like Silvery Barbs negates an enemy rolling with advantage. If they've rolled two d20s and taken the highest, you make them reroll one and take the lowest instead.
Pretty sure that is not how it works since the result must have been a success before silvery barbs can trigger. Aka d.adv /adv resolves first to determine whether the roll was a success then it triggers silvery barbs condition so the target must roll a new d20 and chose the lowest between the new d20 rolled and the old success.
@@abcrasshadow9341 exactly. For example, they roll with advantage and get a 19 and a 20. You use this spell to make them reroll the 20 and they roll a 1, which they must take. Doesn’t matter that they originally rolled with advantage since you undo all of that. That’s what I meant by “negating advantage”
Wither and bloom is a fun spell, a lesser version of a direct hp drain spell like vampiric touch to give lower level necromancers something to do (very needed imo). Kinetic jaunt is also fun, and I like that this book remembers artificers exist when deciding who gets what spells (hopefully that's a norm now that Tasha's released). I totally agree that silvery barbs is busted as shit and clear power creep, and it's part of a weird trend of making most new overpowered shit accessible to wizards. In fizban's, we get fizban's platinum shield, a far superior version of primordial ward that adds bonus AC on top of having primordial ward's exact damage resistances (and is accessible to wizards instead of druids). Tasha's goes out of its way to make nearly all new spells and magic items wizards-only or wizards-accessible. Explorer's guide to wildemount had the chronurgy wizard, the most busted subclass of any class to date, while also making all the spells wizards only (and weirdly restricting them to the most busted subclass and graviturgy only). This book makes all new spells accessible to wizards and lets them cheaply impose disadvantage on all enemy saving throws once they're mid-level and 1st level slots are disposable. I understand wizards are a big part of the general lore for both D&D and magic, but it's an extremely bizarre decision to not only make them the most powerful class on purpose on release, but continue stretching that power gap with nearly each new content drop. Does anyone actually want this type of stuff? I like wizards and I like playing characters as effectively as I can in combat, but I don't want to feel like a powergamey dickbag just for playing a wizard. At the same time it feels bad to see new content drop and know you'll have to ban it from use at your table because it's just that absurdly broken. Like, if I posted silvery barbs a month ago as a homebrew spell, I probably would have gotten laughed at for poor understanding of game balance.
So how would Silvery Barb work with Split Enchantment from enchantment Wizard? Considering it’s a two part thing. Like I’d imagine twin spell obviously wouldn’t work. Also Eldritch Knight Fighter with Commanders Strike maneuver and Silvery Barb can be some nasty setup for two sneak attacks in a single round when paired with a rogue. Also Arcane Trickster Rogue getting it too. Yeah I can see why people are saying it’s strong lol
My question about Silvery Barbs is this: Does it override Legendary Resistance? If an enemy uses Legendary Resistance to succeed, and I cast Silvery Barbs, does it force the enemy to roll again?
@@AZDfox It CAN be a roll. It isn't by default a roll. LR is one of those exceptions where a saving throw is succeeded on without a roll. SB only interacts with rolls. It can't interact with LR because of that. You can't reroll a non roll and LR is a non roll.
@@christophercrafte to quote the Lich stat block: "Legendary Resistance (3/Day): If the lich fails a saving throw, it can choose to succeed instead." This specifically states that Legendary Resistance is part of a die roll. It's just overriding the result, like the Lucky feat can.
I wonder if Eldritch Knights take Barbs as their non-restricted first level spell instead of something like Find Familiar. The second level spells look enticing as well, especially Kinetic Jaunt.
Another thing kinetic jaunt is good for: escaping silence! No vocal components, and if you're surrounded by enemies, it doesn't matter, you can walk through them!
I’m curious when using kinetic jaunt if you could teleport an enemy onto a vertical surface? Technically, a vertical wall could hold the weight of a creature if only for a second.
@@TheDMNMOR you're thinking of vortex warp, and I don't believe so. I think the intention is that the surface can support their weight safely and for prolonged periods. Anything where they'd fall as soon as they landed is out of the question.
Keep in mind the next nearest spell that lets you teleport an unwilling creature (not including teleportation circle or arcane gate as you just drag someone through no save needed) is the 6th level spell scatter. And there are many places you could move someone with out them being safe, like any ongoing aoe spell such as cloudkill or flaming sphere that happens to be sitting next to a locked cage.
Silvery Barbs is too perfect for Order Domain Cleric.
Enemy: "Take this slash from my sword you Rogue!"
Order Domain Cleric: "Not only is my spell gonna increase the odds you miss, but my voice of authority is gonna give my rogue ally a chance to attack with advantage immediately!"
My College of glamour bard is going to love this spell (lv 6 feature).
another interesting use of silvery barbs, if someone has to roll to counter spell and they succeed you can impose disadvantage for the cost of a first level spell
Wow didn't think of that, that's awesome
@@Mr1991bbk Couterspell has the same range, so yes.
@@Mr1991bbk 99% of the time you'd see it happen... Plus it's not the actual spell, but the "ability check" of couterspell succeeding.
@@Mr1991bbk You would know if they succeeded at some point, then you react with the spell.
You are describing a "That guy" DM, basically at this point.
LOL
@@Mr1991bbk What? What are you even going on about? Like you said, unless a character is stealthed, behind cover or unable to be seen by any other way, you know what's going on around you. It's not just that characters "have eyes on the back of their heads", but most spells have a tell, whether a sound or movement of some kind.
My ruling as a DM for a "liquid that can support the target" would be that it only counts if that creature can float naturally, otherwise it's not actually supporting it.
Or you could just say a liquid that supports life, like water
I have to say that I appreciate WotC's effort to diversify the use of Hit Dice, as it makes a whole new tree of synergies.
For example, I like that a Sorcerer with a Bloodwell Vial can just target themselve with Wither and Bloom in order to recover sorcery points mid-battle.
Came to the comments to exactly make this comment
Wait what
I see that none of these spells are for the half-casters like you said. Especially when Strixhaven is supposed to be open to even non-magic users. So you'd think all casters would have new spells, especially for a school-based on magic.
That's why you take one of the magic giving feats like fey touch, shadow touch, or strixhaven initiate
I understand if you take the Strixhaven background you get a free feat that gives you a bunch of spells appropriate to the college you pick. So your half.caster can get access to more magic really easily.
It should be noted that paladins and rangers can get access to one of these spells. The feats that make you a part of one of five schools add that schools spell to your spell list.
Noteworthy, some of these new spells are interesting choices for the Artificer’s Spell Storing Item, or for the Wizard’s Spell Mastery feature.
Vortex Warp on a Spell Storing Item is a lot of teleportation, transferable between characters. Totally worth swapping out the normal staple of Web, potentially (I dunno, Web is still awesome, but I’d consider it for a change).
Spell Mastery in Borrowed Knowledge is just Proficiency in everything. Not game breaking, but certainly a cool concept to play about with.
Silvery Barbs and Spell Mastery. I mean, we were all thinking it, so I wanted to mention it.
Imagine your party member gets locked up in ultra max jail and they're stuck there, with vortex you can just pull them out through a window from the hill above the jail.
@@DaDunge misty step, or if you're high enough level dimension door. You're a wizard, ya got options.
One of my favourite combinations for hitdice is having the Periapt of Wound Closure on a Pact of Chain Warlock with the Gift of the Ever Living One's invocation. So long as your familiar is within 100 feet of you, any hitdice you roll immediately grant you 16+Con health. And Wither and Bloom cast on that warlock would provide some insane healing
Holy power creep, what even is Silvery Barbs???
An easy fix to it is adding concentration. After you do that, it's power drops off sharply.
I like reaction spells because it helps give that "wizard duel" vibe that the initiative system hampers. I think it could be cool to have a caster who specializes in reactions, if there were enough reaction spells. But Silvery Barbs is a bad level 1 spell. OP. Consider ounterspell, a reaction spell which cancels other creature's spell actions after the fact, is a third level spell. It has been called OP and a game wrecker by some. Silvery Barbs cancels anything requiring a d20, can be invoked after that roll is deemed a success, can give advantage, and is only first level. Too powerful. Needs nerfing, or spell level should be upped.
-Wrong. It makes someone re-roll or roll in general on a ST, Ability Check, or Attack, after they succeeded once.
-Meaning it can still succeed, and it needs to fit in 1 of those 3.
-Depending on the creature used on, and which success is targeted, it can be worse or better than a 50/50, more likely to be worse. But is just an extra chance in the caster's or their ally's favor.
I think making the target make a wisdom saving throw and making it take concentration basically brings it to standard 1st level spells
it's actually also a legendary resistance wrecker, ie:
bbeg fails a save
bbeg uses LR aka chooses to succeed
caster reacts by casting silvery barbs
bbeg doesn't even need to roll, it's a fail
option a) bbeg takes it, basically burning away their legendary resistance for nothing
option b) bbeg burns another LR, opening up the potential of another caster repeating the cycle
3 lvl 1 slots should Not be able to reliably erase bbeg's LRs for the day
@@mel-burnes this doesn’t work. If they use their legendary resistance, they succeed regardless of the roll. Crawford (at least I believe it was him but perhaps it was Perkins) has said you can’t even use Silvery Barbs against Legendary Resistance because the success isn’t tied to the failing roll anymore so a reroll would literally be impossible.
@@chrispoznich oh thank fuck. still kinda too much of a spell, but at least they clarified it already
I love the new spells, but I though that this book would add more spells... some of them linked to great spellcasters like the teacher Liliana.
IDK planeswalkers that much, but ain't she evil and only redeeming factor for a long time is a love of Jace or something?
IDK if the book introduced any planeswalkers, but I doubt it.
@@RedrumZombies i don't know if liliana is on strixhaven book but in magic the gathering she is a teacher at Strixhaven with a new identity "Professor Onyx". She changed when Gideon Jura gave his life for her
As someone who played a dwarven battlerager with dwarven fortitude, a periapt of wound closure, and a piercer, healing with hitdice is pretty dope.
V.Human or Custom Lineage with the Fey Touched feat can start with Silvery Barbs on any caster using any mental ability for its casting ability.
These are some absurd spells, at least for their level range. I often find myself with an abundance of first level spell slots, so Silvery Barbs is insane, even more for that. Pseudo-Disadvantage that also grants advantage? Absurd. Vortex Warp is fine, probably be more reasonable if it was maybe a third level spell. That upcasting bonus is really cool though, and much appreciated. I'm tired of upcasts just being 'add 1 more dice roll' because rolling these 8d6s was already so much fun. Hopefully we can see a trend in varied upcasts in 5.5/6e.
@@Mr1991bbk I've almost never played a game where your line of sight was restricted to exclusively directly in front of you on reactions. You can see the entire battlefield, so long as they are within your view range and not behind full cover or stealthed, they're in your line of sight.
Also, I don't believe subtle spell interacts with Silvery Barbs in any capacity. You only need to see them succeed on a d20 roll. Subtle Spells only hide Verbal and Somatic components during the cast, aka gestures and words. In a vast majority of DM rulings, you'll still know if the roll is a success. It's also used for more than just Spell Attack rolls, in fact those are likely to be one of the last things you want to spend that on. Saving Throws from your own spells are what I imagine the most useful and common application will be, or on critical hits.
Not to mention, you can eventually just make it your signature spell as a Wizard, allowing you to freely force a re-roll every turn, but that's at high level play which almost no campaign really delves into, and balancing at that point is thrown out the window.
@@Mr1991bbk You can still look away from a Basillisk by... not looking at it lol. They are saying that if something is in your sight it doesnt take any action or require it to be your turn to look at them, so essentially if you want you can be "looking" at all directions.
The entire reason we have necks is to do things like that so not being able to look around when its not your turn is a really weird ruling.
Even if we dont see them *cast* we can still see them *succeed*. If you throw a fireball at someone and it begins disappearing before it hits them than you have seen them succeed on their ability check for counterspell, and therefore can Silvery Barbs
@@Mr1991bbk Nothing in the spell requires you to know what spell they are casting or whatever, you simply must see them succeed at something. You are looking at them and they succeeded, therefore Silvery Barbs.
I think you are forgeting sound is a thing lol. Unless something has taken the hide action it makes perceivable sound, so if the Orc is swinging down at a teammate behind you you will hear it, so being incapable of taking the .4 milliseconds to turn your neck is just asinine
@@Mr1991bbk I mean cool, but of the over 400 beasts in the bestiary, not too many of them are Wood Elf Rogues lol. And still, when they attack they are revealed, so can be silvery barbed on attack rolls still.
This sort of arguement, that because there is *a* way to get past silvery barbs therefore its useless is like, really bad. Most spells require you to see the target to cast. That does not mean every spell is useless.
@@Mr1991bbk Not many creatures have invisibility, See Invisibilty is a low level spell, and you have a whole team who can reveal an enemy. Even than, a monster destroying its action economy to stop one reaction 1st level spell is a HUGE win. This really isnt the bombshell proof that Silvery Barba isnt good that you think it is. All these things youre listing counter tons of other highly agreed upon great spells as well.
Wither and blooms ability would stack nicely with someone who has the pact of the familiar invocation that maximizes your healing. Either yourself or an ally with a large hit die would heal a fair bit in addition to doing damage. Though I wish it did also have the con mod of the creature added too, since this does cost a spell slot.
Vortex Warp, aka Teleportation from DOS2, aka the most broken spell in that game. I already love it.
Yeah I don't know what Wizards is thinking with silvery barbs. It takes one of the most powerful abilities of arguably the most powerful subclass in the game or at least up there with the chronurgy wizard and lets you cast it instead of twice per day way more as a first level spell. This can turn a hail mary save or suck casting of a spell into an oh this hold monster vs a creature with a good save and magic resistance will work more often than not. Plus it takes the flavor of the chronurgy and divination wizard and gives it out for free to all the wizards. And it gives advantage to top it off. This spell could not give advantage and be 3rd level and then be well balanced. I haven't banned any published material from wizards at my tables yet but this, and the backgrounds in this book had to fit into that category. Love a lot of the other spells though!
And what’s nuts is that it will make advantage into a pseudo “triple disadvantage”. As a FIRST LEVEL SPELL, it completely negates and even twists the Magic Resistance trait of many legendary monsters to be WORSE than rolling normally, since the wording of the spell just says “the lowest roll”. Then you give someone advantage! Absolutely nuts
_Borrowed knowledge, kinetic jaunt,_ and _wither and bloom_ are perfectly fine. I wish _kinetic jaunt_ followed the established precedent for shunting (either 1d10 force damage or twice the number of feet you are shunted), and I wish _wither and bloom_ just gave healing instead of requiring a Hit Die, but there's nothing absurd about them as is.
_Vortex warp_ is only busted in terms of range. From one end of the 90-foot-radius circle to the other is *180 feet.* For only a 2nd level spell slot. Teleporting an enemy into lava isn't awful because it's a Con save, and most monsters have high Con.
_Silvery barbs_ is just full of oversights. Should've been a 2nd level spell like the rest of them, you shouldn't be able to do it on your own spells, and granting advantage should've been contingent on the initial target still failing (if for no other reason than flavor). If you change the duration to Conc., up to 1 minute, you could leave it as a 1st level spell.
I feel like some of these new spells are just to strong for their level. And poor knowledge domain cleric. Their channel divinity was bad enough, now there is just a spell that exactly does the same.
I didn't even think about that, feelsbadman. Hopefully the new phb fixes this.
Vortex Warp gives me interesting idea for encounter where enemy caster is warden of prison and can force party into cages (possibly already occupied by monsters)
Another wrinkle for Slivery Barbs ... it is an enchantment spell. So it can be selected as a 1st level enchantment spell for Fey-Touched feat.
It can also be put on Abberant Mind's Psionic list meaning they can cast it with Sorcery Points with no Verbal or Somatic components which also means its not a viable target for Counterspell.
@@LeonJagerWulf How is it not a target for it? It's still a spell.
@@RedrumZombies counter spell requires you to see the spell, subtle spell means there is nothing to see, thus counter spell cant counter a spell you cant see being cast.
I'm glad you pointed out the magic item combo for wither and bloom. I knew about durable but not the second effect of the item considering I mostly play a hollow one reborn for the undead feel and the wound closure prevents death saves which makes the rolling at advantage and standing up on 16 not pop off so I've ignored it. I'm definitely going to have to reconsider now.
Playing a Spirits Bard as the primery healer in one of my games and I'm 100% gonna be grabbing Wither and Bloom and SIlvery Barbs for her. With a party of her, 2 barbs, a pali and a druid, that wither and bloom spell will be an excellent go to for a choice from Spirit Session or Magical Secrets
Yeah teleporting someone on lava was the first thing that came to my mind, man i love that spell already.
I think the difference between Silvery Barbs and Vortex Warp is a good indication of where the line goes between really powerful spell and completely busted spell. I'd still allow VW, it wont completely fuck up my game tho it would see heavy use for sure.
Until they realize that they could put them 90ft up in the air. That's an easy 9d6 of damage or more if they don't have a way to counter it and it puts them prone.
@@eddiemarohl5789 They cant.
@@MrBlancify Well not raw but with some creativity (and questions for the dm) you can do it. Mage hand pully shenanigans with a platform or have a platform held up by a mage hand that's 10 pounds total and when they get teleported on the hand it can't lift it anymore. The platform can support them (just wood planks or a big wicker basket) but the thing supporting the platform can't.
@@eddiemarohl5789 So in theory the platform can support them but in practice it can't. Ergo, in practice the spell wouldn't work.
I just really like seeing better forms of upcasting being done with these spells, mainly Vortex Warp. A utility/battle management spell that actually gains increased usage with higher spell slots. With 9th tier you can teleport someone 240 feet, not insane for 9th tier but pretty well scaled. Coupled with another spell caster or you have some kind of surface-creating-spell, you can theoretically drop enemies from 240 feet in the air. This is also great for out of combat usage like solving puzzles or navigating terrain.
Silvery barbs is just chronurgy wizards 2nd level feature 'chronal shift' but better and not limited to 2 per long rest -_-.
What are Wizards on??? (Because that shit must be intense for them to f*ck this up so much)
Edit
We talk a lot in the community about how strong this wizard subclass is, again how crazy are Wizards???
There's a massive power divide between wizards and every other class, and wotc is working around the clock trying as hard as they can to push that divide even further.
As an aberrant mind sorc, it might be best for me to take silvery barbs as a psionic spell, then get rid of heightened magic since silvery barbs is basically just an upgraded version of it, for 2 points less.
@@HughRGlen I mean, if you wanted to go hardcore you could use it as a fail safe. cast the spell with heightened, then if they still succeed, use silvery barbs. But you would be using a lot of resources to do that. The only thing your getting out of using heightened over barbs is you can still have your reaction.
But if my reaction it used to give an enemy disadvantage, and give an ally advantage, that sounds to good to pass up. It's like the heightened spell and a help action in one.
Pair that with the other spells I'm using now, synaptic static, Raulothims psychic lance, and all the enchantment spells I have. It'll be crazy.
My aberrant mind has everything subtle spelled due to the psionic sorcery stuff and subtle spell itself. So we are like 10 sessions in and my party is just now starting to figure out I have magic(mostly because the pshycic lance and a tavern night).
So adding this to my psionic spells gives me a super cheap and easy way to buff and debuff at the same time.
@@HughRGlen I just realized something else, with hold person and heightened spell, they only have disadvantage on the first save when casting the spell.
For the cheap cost of 1 sorcery point a turn as an aberrant, or two as other subclasses, you can give them disadvantage on every following save when trying to break free. That is something heightened cant do at all.
Favorite thing about Silvery Barbs? It doesn't give "disadvantage," it only forces a new roll. Meaning? It stacks with disadvantage giving double disadvantage!! WHAT!?
Every Arcane Trickster just jizzed their britches.😄
It also forces disadvantage on advantage- since its not actually disadvantage, but "take the lowest roll" advantage becomes double disadvantage
You know how many mid to high level monsters have grapple abilities? I love the idea of being able to teleport my ally (or the monster for that matter) out of the grapple before they get swallowed for the 1,2,3, 7th? time?
"At least it's limited to certain spellcasting classes."
> Sees the College Primer items
"Oh..."
DnD Shorts has a video about a dwarven monk combo with the durable feat, periapt of wound closure, and the feat dwarven fortitude. If they take the dodge action as a bonus action they can heal a significant amount for the cost of 1 hit die and 1 ki point.
Oh the teleportation shenanigans… this makes me want to somehow get a whole bunch of jellies, Articifer up some alchemist fire and just teleport enemies into them before setting off the AF via easy to shatter vials or conversely, getting a whole bunch of small jellies and teleport them on to the backs of enemies
I think the gift of the ever living one lets you regain the maximum amount of healing when I die is rolled. It’s a warlock invocation
Very flavorful, but I'd have to allow half casters to have access to some of these- like Paladins for the Lorehold spell, or Rangers and the Witherbloom spell.
Eloquence bards seeing silvery barbs and realizing they can use literally every slot in their action economy to nuke enemy saving throws: "*maniacal laughter*"
I totally agree I was disappointed that one 5 spells were added in this book. At least 3 per college would have been great.
Borrowed Knowledge is okay, but it seems weak for a 2nd level spell and it is competing with Enhance Ability which gives Adv on all checks associated with a stat. The nice thing is this spell can stack with Enhance Ability since it is not Conc. I think it would have made more sense if the spell let you target a creature and select a skill the target is proficient with, you then get Proficiency and can use your spellcasting modifier instead of the skills normal stat modifier. Then you could actually be borrowing knowledge. The other reason to differentiate the spell is that Knowledge Clerics already get Knowledge of the Ages via Channel Divinity.
Kinetic Jaunt is very weak, when you consider there is Zephyr Strike at 1st level which allows you to ignore opportunity attacks and Ashardalon's Stride at 3rd level. Both of these spells deal additional damage in different ways. Kinetic Jaunt should have dealt some sort of damage just for thematic purposes. This is the Prismari spell which is about mixing magic with the arts. If say the spell mentioned that the 1st time you move in your turn everyone within 5 ft. takes 1d6 of your choice of Cold, Fire or Lightning damage it would make the spell worth 2nd level.
Silvery Barbs is SOOO good, I am happy it was added to Bards since it offers non-Lore and Eloquence Bard's a defensive reaction if in a more limited way. It cannot be Twinned or Split but does work with the Order Domain's 1st level feature. I think it is under costed, it should be a 2nd level spell. this would limit it's use more since you only get three 3rd level spell slots and people wouldn't be able to take it with the Fey-Touched Feat.
Vortex Warp is okay, it isn't going to reliably reposition an enemy due to it being a Con Save. It can move an ally reliably, it is basically a single target version of Scatter.
Wither and Bloom is exciting in that we see WotC utilizing Hit Die outside of a Short Rest. Something I have been asking for, for a long time. It is a decent low level damaging Necromancy spell. It works with Necromancers Grim Harvest, it works with Life Cleric healing, Circle of Wildfire's Enhanced Bond, etc... As you mentioned there are some cool Hit Die interactions as well.
Kinnectic jaunt is kinda strong because it stack with other similar effects. Bladesinger can expendious retreat, Kinnectic and haste with bladesong and you are a 120ft move with all the other stuff on top of each other you are basically untouchable.
Silvery Barbs gets by legendary resistances (the wording says when they succeed, choosing to succeed still counts) this means that even if the reroll is a success, their initial roll still failed and that legendary resistance is wasted
SB only interacts with rolls. LR is not a roll, it is an auto success.
@@manbearpun5447 but the wording is specific it doesn't say when the target rolls a success, it says when they succeed. Using a LR means they choose to succeed. SB works RAW
@@BubblingBrooke No, the wording is vague and then the actual description of the spell specifies that a d20 reroll is involved i.e. the success SB interacts with is a success gained via a d20. You can't reroll a non roll and LR is not a roll, it is an auto success.
SB does not work with LR by RAW. By RAW it only interacts with rolls. So anything in the game that can give you a successful attack roll, saving throw or ability check without a d20 roll cannot have SB interact with it.
Now if you want to talk murky, you could for example argue that SB can interact with Portent since it technically is based on a d20 roll. Just not one that happen to occur in the moment.
@@manbearpun5447 i just reread the spell just to double check the working and in terms of saving throws specifically using LR it is rules as written can be effected. The LR making it so that the saving throw succeeds works with the wording of the spell. The spell being super vague and not specifying a roll of the dice for saving throws specifically means that LR can apply. In cases I've seen the dm will roll first and if they would fail will then use an LR to succeed. Would you not say it works then? I would say it definitely works then. Even if not it forces the creature to roll regardless. Every time LR is mentioned, its an override and uses the term "can choose to succeed instead" whenever they fail a saving throw. The wording matches.
@@BubblingBrooke LR gives a monster an auto success. That is not the same thing as a successful d20 roll. Yes, the outcomes are the same but how they get there differs and SB ONLY works with a successful d20 roll, which is then rerolled as per the spells description.
There is no way to get around LR. That is by design. SB may be powerful for a 1st level spell and be a sign of power creep but LR still holds true. At no point in 5e should players be given something that overrides LR short of Wish. But as there are much better uses of the spell, no one would use such in that manner.
Looking at Vortex Warp, there's some wiggle room in the wording, I feel. "that can support the target without the target having to squeeze" could mean, as you take it, "could support the target's volume", but it could also be a clumsy way of saying (a) can support the target (ie, they can stand there without falling or falling in), and also (b) the target won't be squeezing to be there. But also you probably can't teleport someone into lava because the space you send them to you need to be able to see, and you can't see into the lava. (Unless you've got some kind of vision such that you can.) Still a pretty busted spell. Maybe destroy the supports for a bridge and send it plummeting into a chasm... then teleport someone onto the "surface" that is a flat surface that happens to be gathering downward momentum...
Yes, by definition “Ice that is able to support target would not be thin’.
You can throw them into AoE effects though like web, entangle, or hunger of hadar
I don't think teleporting someone onto lava would work for vortex warp because it says on a surface that can support them, and lava wouldn't qualify because you'd sink into lava and therefore not be supported. The liquid part of the description I'm pretty sure is meant to be used if you want to teleport someone to a position you can see under water - or I guess in another transparent liquid - just letting you know that you can use it there also without having to teleport someone to the ground at the bottom of the body of water. But I think otherwise the surface you teleport someone onto has to be solid at the time of the teleportation. So you could put them on top of a wall of force etc and then subsequently drop them into lava by canceling the wall, but I don't think you could teleport them directly on top of the lava (or on top of any other liquid I presume) because of the above and can't teleport them into the lava because you wouldn't be able to see the location.
I wonder if you can teleport someone that is unconscious. So that you could teleport an ally that has been downed away from enemies that would otherwise be able to subsequently attack them to finish them off. It still has to be done on your turn because it takes an action, but if you're turn came before the other enemies then you should be able to do it in time to save the character.
Fun fact lava is quite dense, it's mainly rocks and you can stand on top of it, youd likely catch fire before you actually sink.
Borrowed Knowledge reminds me of The Matrix with Neo learning skills in the learning program hahaha
So you can combo Warp and Barbs. Cast Vortex Warp on an ally, they roll and save, Barbs their success, they fail, give them advantage and 180 feet of movement...
You could definitely put an enemy into a pool of lava/acid... heck, you could probably put them into a bonfire. Teleporting them into/onto a Gelatinous Cube sadly doesn't work. The cube counts as an occupied space since it is a creature. Technically speaking, you also can't teleport/summon something above a creature as well as they count occupied space as if on a 2D grid, so teleporting them above the cube so they drop into it also does not work (not that it would anyways, because I don't think teleporting someone above an object counts either).
Still plenty of shenanigans you can do with this!
Silvery Barbs is insanely strong for a 1st Level spell. Honestly, that seems closer to a 3rd level slot type of power, especially since it ALSO gives advantage to an ally. Forcing a re-roll of a saving throw on an enemy alone is already and amazing spell. This is basically the Lucky feat in spell form, but enhanced.
Truth. It genuinely confused me that there are some people who can't reason out how OP for a 1st level spell that is.
This isn't actual disadvantage either... so it stacks with disadvantage.
It's only almost a 3rd level spell. If they knocked off the free Inspiration, it would be a 2nd level spell. But probably should have Somatic components as well.
@@OrbitalBliss as is, it's insanely op purely because it overpowers legendary resistances unless counterspelled. not even 3rd level is enough for that
@@mel-burnes SB doesn't interact with LR. LR is not a roll and SB only interacts with rolls.
@@manbearpun5447 it doesn't interact with rolls, it interacts with the instance of a save. now, do i think it should override lr? hell no. but raw it absolutely does.
lr makes you succeed on a save, sb makes you roll and take the lowest. even assuming lr turns the die roll into success, if the second roll is a failure, sb forces you to *use* it. regardless what happened prior
again, im not saying it should work this way, nor am i saying that any reasonable dm would ever allow that, but there's an argument to be made that erasing lrs is fully raw
@@mel-burnesNo. SB interacts with successful d20 rolls, which is why the target is made to reroll said d20. LR is not a roll of any kind, it is an auto success. SB therefore can't affect it or anything for that matter that causes a success of any kind without a d20 roll such as for example, the Sculpt Spells feature for Evocation wizards.
This isn't complicated. A spell is read as a whole yet everyone keeps taking the Casting Time description out of the context established in the spells actual description to justify allowing SB to interact with LR or similar auto successes like Sculpt Spells. This is not how SB works. The spell description is clear. "The triggering creature must reroll the d20 and use the lower roll." which means the trigger for SB is a successful d20 roll. Because rerolls can only occur with rolls.
Again, this is not complicated.
Order Domain Cleric, Voice of Authority. Vortex Warp, Silver Barbs and even wither and bloom are all insane with a 1 level dip in Order Domain for Voice of Authority giving the added rider or a free reaction attack is unreal
The Sorcerer's Distant Spell could be quite useful with Vortex Warp, for 1 sorcery point its like you cast the spell at 5th level.
Also imagine 2 sorcerers daisy chaining across the battle field.
Silvery Barbs is super strong, absolutely. But I'm not entirely focused on that. I'm looking at Kinetic Jaunt. I look at that, and then I look at Zephyr Strike and say "Huh. Wizards really trying to make Ranger feel even worse compared to other classes, aren't they?"
Even better if more than one person has silvery barbs it stacks which is insane imagine rolling 5d20 and taking the lowest that’s insane
Imagine being a new DM and a player shows up playing a chronurgy wizard who hands out spell motes with this to familiars/ other party members/ tiny servants/ etc to cast whenever an enemy does something that seems even remotely important.
Homebrew that only 1 roll can be effected by "SB", since that's just cancer honestly.
Silvery Barbs is a 1st level enchantment spell... Fey Touched just became even better!
The second feature for silvery barbs was not only unnecessary from a power standpoint but it also is kind of annoying in that you don't have a choice over when you have that advantage.
If someone forces you to make a saving throw or ability check you will have advantage on that roll even if you'd prefer to use it for an attack later. But it also becomes something you have to keep track of to make sure it gets applied to that next roll.
Something that's insane about _Silvery Barbs..._ IT'S NOT DISADVANTAGE. Unless I'm crazy, _IT IS WORDED SIMILARLY TO THE WAY THE LUCKY FEAT IS._ This spell is insane. It should be a 3rd level spell _AT MINIMUM_ balance-wise. I'm not saying that the spell is bad, because I really like the concept. However, it is far too powerful. It turns advantage into super disadvantage for the enemy, and it gives an ally advantage in their next attack.
I would totally allow this spell in my games with the following changes:
1) It's a 3rd level spell
2) The secondary effect is removed
3) It activates whenever the target makes the check instead of when the target succeeds.
If you wanted to keep it as a lower level spell, I would do the following:
1) Split the effects into two separate spells. The first effect stays is a 2nd level spell, and the second effect is a cantrip.
2) The first effect activates whenever the target makes a check, instead of when the target succeeds a check.
3) The first effect imposes disadvantage instead of its current effect
4) The second effect takes an action to cast instead of a reaction
5) The second effect costs concentration.
Edit: Also, _Vortex Warp_ is the same thing, but it is also being changed to a 4th-level spell at my table. There will be more restrictions, and no up casting. I like the spell tho.
Boom. Fixed. Feel free to tell me why I'm wrong. Seriously. I wanna learn.
Hate to be this guy Ted, but Shatter is a 60 ft range/10ft sphere same as Wither and Bloom, Shatter is also a Constitution save, Shatter does 3d8 instead of W&B's 2d6, it just doesn't have any additional effects(aside from creatures being made of inorganic material having disadvantage on the save)
I have a different reading on warp (at least in a few of your examples) thin ice, for example, would not support the moved creature, likewise, you can’t realistically swim or stand in molten lava. That said: a pool of acid or poison (or your wall of force example) are fair game, and there is nothing stoping you from moving someone to a ledge, and then following up with a bull rush.
Wintry Wyvern pointed out that Silvery Barbs could be argued to take affect AFTER a Legendary Resistance is spent, forcing the monster to roll its save again after having spent the Legendary Resistance. I won't be allowing that at my table, because holy hell, but I do feel like the argument is valid.
Wizards of the Coast: Lets make a magical school about where potent spellcasters are trained!
*Adds 5 measly spells and a paltry handful of magic items, most of which are nearly identical.
All 5 of these spells are really good. Silvery Barbs is already banned at a lot of tables, of course, but Vortex Warp is also crazy! (shouldn't it be a CHA save, though?)
Artificer: Spellwrought tattoo: silvery barbs.
So here are all the issues I've managed to come up with for *Silvery Barbs* alone:
- The Heightened Spell Metamagic allows you to force a target to roll a saving throw with disadv. for three (3) sorcery points. This is a 1st Level spell, so it can be substituted for two (2) sorcery points, which makes it a better choice at the cost of a reaction. Moreover, you decide to use after the target rolls, so it's never a gamble on whether you should have used it.
- It can be used on Attack Rolls, Ability Checks or Saving Throws...
>So this can potentially negate critical hits.
>force a target to re-roll a saving throw against a "save or suck" spell (e.g. hold person), which essentially means you can cast a high level (up to 9) spell again (reroll) as a reaction for the cost of a 1st level spell
>force a target to re-roll a counterspell check, potentially allowing a powerful attack to go through
- It can be occasionally better than a Shield spell because it negates crits and can always potentially work even if the initial attack roll is really high
- As an 18th level wizard (pretty late game but still), it can be cast for free, always, meaning it should be cast every turn
- It can be used in tandem with disadvantage to give triple disadvantage and a feat like Lucky to give quadruple disadvantage
- On top of all this crap, it also gives inspiration
If you think it is too powerful, give it concentration. That cuts much of its power out since it will be most effective with concentration-based spells. Also, in late game most monsters you fight have some kind of magic resistance. So it isn't as much of a big deal as you might think it is.
Interesting fact: one can take Silvery Barbs with the Fey Touched Feat.
There is something interesting about Wither and Bloom in that it would technically let a necromancer heal their undead minions. It's been stated by Jeremy Crawford before that monsters can spend hit dice when they short rest, so that's been the means in which players with minions can allow them chances to heal. Will this use of the spell come up too often? Maybe not. I'd think letting a player spend hit dice would be more beneficial, but keeping your zombie up so it can keep tanking hits might be worthwhile.
Additional point: I believe this would also be quite beneficial for your wildshaped druid party members. While wild shaped, a druid assumes their forms hit points and hit dice. As such, a druid can expend one of their wild shape forms to heal their animal form and not expend any of their druid hit die. On the contrary, they’d be unable to spend their druid hit die or heal up their non-wild shaped form at all.
So this gives a druid access to their form’s hit dice in a manner that doesn’t require a short rest while in animal form.
6:40 @Nerd Immersion
With "SILVERY BARBS", you can bypass Legendary Resistance!!
It never says something like "When the target rolls a 1d20 and succeeds".
Just that "When they succeed in relations to a ST, Ability check, or attack roll".
This right here is an example of someone trying to cheese themselves around LR using SB. The spell description specifically says the target rerolls the d20 roll. LR is not a roll. You can't reroll a non roll.
But if you like cheese, you could use SB to reroll Portent as that is based on a d20 roll. Though thematically it makes no sense whatsoever, so as a DM I'd probably rule it doesn't interact with Portent even though it technically does by RAW.
@@manbearpun5447 6:40 Literally, says:
"1 reaction, which you take when a creature you can see within 60ft of yourself succeeds on an attack roll, an ability check, or a saving throw."
LR: "If the [blank] fails a saving throw, it can choose to succeed instead."
Which is a success on a Saving throw...
In the description/effect of the spell: "The Triggering creature must reroll the d20 and use the lower roll".
They did roll, or via rules you roll before you use a LR... The success never had to be the roll, and it's still a success on a saving throw...
This isn't like Disadvantage, nor Advantage. This is calculated when the "ping" for if it is a success. Which LR does.
When it comes to using a 2nd LR to negate the spell??? Eh? IDK for either side of the argument...
FFS they added Monsters that when they would have died, get back up to near full HP with everything nearly back, including all LRs...
On top of the Mythic Actions they get next, and things getting more than 3 LRs in general.
@@RedrumZombies SB causes you to reroll the d20 that gave you the success. LR is not a roll and thus, SB does not apply to LR. You can say, "But LR was activated due to a failed roll." and you would be correct but SB doesn't interact with failed rolls, it only interacts with successful ones.
SB does not interact with LR. You can't cheese your way around them anymore than you can the Mythic Trait. They literally exist to avoid player cheese.
I know it would cost 2 slots but kinetic jaunt + long strider is a very good combo
For way to make thoses spells better : vortex warp + the meta magic to double range you can make an ally or an enemy move 360 feet away from his previous position (if he is at the end of your 180 feet of range.
Honestly the advantage thing seems unessary but have a cutting words type spell on every bard seems super solid.
Imagine a college of eloquence bard with silvery barbs
Wither and bloom works well with the sorcerer's bloodwell vial.
I'm just happy there's a way to heal your summoned zombies and stuff so you might can actually play a stereotypical necromancer.
Ever since I read Silvery Barbs I've been wanting to make "the most annoying character ever".
So far I know it will have some Divination Wizard levels and pick up Silvery Barbs and Counterspell.
What other "I can't let you do that DM!" features can yall think of to add on?
Be a halfling with the lucky and bountiful luck feat
Maybe add in lore bard for the cutting words
MTG player: This is not Howard’s we have 5 schools
Not MTG player: so… Howard’s with an extra school?
The most interesting Silvery Barbs use that someone pointed out was that the language used in the spell implies that it can override Legendary Resistance. Pretty sure that’s not RAI, but it might be RAW. (Note: Incorrect! Corrected below.)
@@danieldurham5891 the trigger for Silvery Barbs as written is “succeeds on an attack roll, an ability check, or a saving throw.” It does not say anything about rolling a die. While I agree that this is certainly not intended to bypass legendary resistance, I still believe that the wording does permit that use.
@@StevenBryceWroten even if the creature reroll a 1, he succeeds in the action, because legendary resistance makes the action successfull, not the roll
@@ruggerosimonetta2885 I stand corrected regarding legendary resistance wording! I thought that legendary resistance worked by having the creature act as though they had succeeded on the saving throw roll, and that this could bypass it. Instead it simply says “it can choose to succeed instead”! Learn something new every day! Thank you!
@@StevenBryceWroten you're welcome, I still learn some technicism every day
@@StevenBryceWroten SB can only interact with rolls. The first paragraph says as much due to the target having to reroll the d20 (that formerly gave them said success). So anything that grants a success that isn't based on a roll (such as LR) cannot have SB interact with it.
Ted is spitting. Was very disappointed with the lack of spells, especially lightning spells which I feel like I’m still craving more of :(
Just upcast vortex warp and then teleport them as high as you can up in the air. Fall damage ain't no joke and if you don't have lava or some river to sweep them away it works pretty well.
I'd argue air is not a surface that supports you
@@NerdImmersion ahh true but with how creative dnd is I'm sure there's ways around it
Just love Borrowed Knowledge. I will use it with my cleric. As it isn't a concentration spell, you can mix it with the Guidance cantrip. Very good, IMO
Silvery barbs and bane is gonna be a nasty combo
Thank you for this video. I won't be allowing any of these in my games until Wizards finds a way to fix monsters and encounters.
You could take Silvery Barbs on an Aberrant Mind Sorcerer as one of your Psionic Spells and be able to cast it without components for the cost of 1 Sorcery Point.
×All the profanity×
Already on it chief.... lmao
The artificer spells I feel aren't too terribly useful for the artificer themselves but are pretty good for spell storing give the jaunt to classes that very much rely on their mobility to be effective and having anyone have the ability to teleport them or their enemies 10 times is pretty good
Silvery barbs + Arcane trickster, easy advantage, +5~ to your spell DC or AC, tbh this is the most powerfull spell in the game
Well gess wich spell going to be ban from a LOT of games
I have two thoughts.
First: my issue with Silvery Barbs is that it mimics other things but has more utility and uses. For example, I have a chronurgy wizard, who gets the chronal shift ability. This is a reaction to force a reroll on an any roll (so can be used to turn an ally's failed save into a success, but usually is reserved as an anti crit button), similar to the barbs spell. However, it is only 2 uses per long rest, has a 30ft range, and you don't use the better roll, you are forced to take the new one. Which means you could accidentally turn an enemy hit into a crit. Barbs can be used many more times, especially with updating or an 18th level wizard at will.
Second: PHB: "You can end concentration at any time (no action required)." By RAW, you don't need to ready an action to drop concentration. You can just drop it whenever you want.
The chronoturgy still is useful because it is a separate resource and technically has wider uses to still give it credit.
Elven accuracy + Luck + silvery barbs = massive crit fishing
Vortex Warp, wizard chess with the party and enemies.
You could teleport them on top or a rope strung between two buildings. It can support their weight, but can that dude in plate mail balance? Lol
Or how about a tree branch 90ft up in the air?
Wow, all this time I thought reaction spells were the same as bonus action spells; meaning you could only cast a cantrip if you had already cast a spell during your turn. This would prevent you from counterspelling an enemy counterspelling you (which makes no sense IMO). Yikes! I am going to leave that house rule in place at my table.
My playgroup has house ruled that you just can't cast a second spell on the same turn unless it is a cantrip. however a round is a different matter, so you can fireball and counterspell in the same round, just not in the same turn. This prevented the bonkers counterspell wars that would happen because half the party knew it and every caster they went up had to know it to keep the party from from using it to stop any and every enemy spell. I think we had one turn of combat with upwards of 6 counterspells cast... it got tiring to run and play in.
So you are gonna ban reactions during the turn of a PC?
@@RedrumZombies Its not that no one can react on a PC's turn, its that during its turn, no character (PC, enemy, or otherwise) can use one of their reactions. There are a very small group of edge cases that this hits other than counterspell so it really hasn't been an issue.
@@RedrumZombies I just limit them to casting one spell per turn. They are free to take reactions during their own turn, including casting a cantrip in addition to a spell. I don't want to limit their action economy, just multiple spells during their own turn.
Wither and Bloom does not state that damage must be dealt in order to heal someone. This is very close to being a true healing spell which wizards can access.
Spell Mastery, anyone? (also for Silvery Barbs)
So while playing a Strixhaven game you choose a college and get the spells from that college added to your list, this makes it less painful for the Druid and Warlock but I’m still pretty sure they got shafted by WoTC again.
Ok in my options new spells are great And add lot new ideas and let’s use old spells and new builds . Sliver barbs need some balance though
I swear every time we get a magic the gathering book it contains really op stuff like in ravnica had the races and backgrounds that add to your spell list in the Odyssey one we got the collage of eloquence (wile I personally think that the satyr is op as well people are kinda on the fence about it) then we have this book that is SO op that I swear they were like balance what's that.
The way that it's worded, it sounds like Silvery Barbs negates an enemy rolling with advantage. If they've rolled two d20s and taken the highest, you make them reroll one and take the lowest instead.
Pretty sure that is not how it works since the result must have been a success before silvery barbs can trigger.
Aka d.adv /adv resolves first to determine whether the roll was a success then it triggers silvery barbs condition so the target must roll a new d20 and chose the lowest between the new d20 rolled and the old success.
It's basically anti lucky feat
@@abcrasshadow9341 exactly. For example, they roll with advantage and get a 19 and a 20. You use this spell to make them reroll the 20 and they roll a 1, which they must take. Doesn’t matter that they originally rolled with advantage since you undo all of that. That’s what I meant by “negating advantage”
Silvery Barbs can be chosen with the Magic Initiate Feat.
Wither and bloom is a fun spell, a lesser version of a direct hp drain spell like vampiric touch to give lower level necromancers something to do (very needed imo). Kinetic jaunt is also fun, and I like that this book remembers artificers exist when deciding who gets what spells (hopefully that's a norm now that Tasha's released). I totally agree that silvery barbs is busted as shit and clear power creep, and it's part of a weird trend of making most new overpowered shit accessible to wizards.
In fizban's, we get fizban's platinum shield, a far superior version of primordial ward that adds bonus AC on top of having primordial ward's exact damage resistances (and is accessible to wizards instead of druids). Tasha's goes out of its way to make nearly all new spells and magic items wizards-only or wizards-accessible. Explorer's guide to wildemount had the chronurgy wizard, the most busted subclass of any class to date, while also making all the spells wizards only (and weirdly restricting them to the most busted subclass and graviturgy only). This book makes all new spells accessible to wizards and lets them cheaply impose disadvantage on all enemy saving throws once they're mid-level and 1st level slots are disposable. I understand wizards are a big part of the general lore for both D&D and magic, but it's an extremely bizarre decision to not only make them the most powerful class on purpose on release, but continue stretching that power gap with nearly each new content drop.
Does anyone actually want this type of stuff? I like wizards and I like playing characters as effectively as I can in combat, but I don't want to feel like a powergamey dickbag just for playing a wizard. At the same time it feels bad to see new content drop and know you'll have to ban it from use at your table because it's just that absurdly broken. Like, if I posted silvery barbs a month ago as a homebrew spell, I probably would have gotten laughed at for poor understanding of game balance.
So how would Silvery Barb work with Split Enchantment from enchantment Wizard? Considering it’s a two part thing. Like I’d imagine twin spell obviously wouldn’t work.
Also Eldritch Knight Fighter with Commanders Strike maneuver and Silvery Barb can be some nasty setup for two sneak attacks in a single round when paired with a rogue.
Also Arcane Trickster Rogue getting it too.
Yeah I can see why people are saying it’s strong lol
I reaaallly like the Vortex Warp spell. Anything that lets you mostly help allies if fine if it is a bit stronger than average!
My question about Silvery Barbs is this: Does it override Legendary Resistance? If an enemy uses Legendary Resistance to succeed, and I cast Silvery Barbs, does it force the enemy to roll again?
SB only can interact with rolls. LR is not a roll. It is an auto success.
@@manbearpun5447 it's a success on a saving throw, which is a type of roll
@@AZDfox It CAN be a roll. It isn't by default a roll. LR is one of those exceptions where a saving throw is succeeded on without a roll. SB only interacts with rolls. It can't interact with LR because of that. You can't reroll a non roll and LR is a non roll.
Nope, a legendary resistances is the enemy deciding to succeed a save no role required.
@@christophercrafte to quote the Lich stat block: "Legendary Resistance (3/Day): If the lich fails a saving throw, it can choose to succeed instead." This specifically states that Legendary Resistance is part of a die roll. It's just overriding the result, like the Lucky feat can.
I wonder if Eldritch Knights take Barbs as their non-restricted first level spell instead of something like Find Familiar. The second level spells look enticing as well, especially Kinetic Jaunt.
Time to see the opinion on Silvery Barbs!
Silvery barbs being the only first level spell is insane considering it would still be by far the strongest.
Vortex Warp on an SSI. Holy SHIT!
Teleport someone next to a ledge, then BA Force Ballista that nerd into oblivion.