Does Tai Chi work in a fight....does it matter? - Kung Fu Report
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- Kung Fu and its culture are the roots of a lot of centuries' styles. Tai Chi is represented nowadays in a way that some practitioners always question its efficiency. In today's Kung Fu Report we will discuss what is the background of Tai Chi philosophy and style, and where it is based on.
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I got my arse handed to me by a Tai Chi practitioner in a tournament. I could not seem to lay a hand on him despite several swings, and then he stepped in, put both hands on my upper belly... and threw me into the air. To this day I have no damn clue how. He lifted me OFF THE GROUND and pushed me away. My best interpretation is that my balance was way off, I was overextended, and he just applied proper uprooting principles. But I damn sure do not talk shit about Tai Chi anymore.
I've practiced Tai Chi for a really long time, and am very familiar with it. It's has lots of grappling and a TON of joint locks and breaks in it. The problem is that not many people work on the applications any more. It's really hard to find someone that can actually apply the material. Ironically, it's the Western world that has the majority of people that reverse engineer the forms and find the applications that are in the forms, and practice them on live opponents.
I was fortunate to have two teachers that knew the applications and were skilled in applying them.
For example, the vast majority of people that work on push hands have no clue that there are joint locks in it.
Agreed; The vast majority of people do not practice/ train in Tai Chi Chuan correctly or deeply enough.
#this
...and also most have no idea of neigong training either.
@@palnagok1720 sadly so true. That's one of the reasons I made a video overview of Zhan Zhuang
Even though you say you're not an expert in Daoism, you cut right through the noise to explain why these and others arts taken out of context simply don't "measure up" in that new environment or context. (i.e. "is Taijiquan any good") So well said. I have never heard any other Sifu or martial artist even touch on these points to explain how our perception of old arts so often fail to take into account the most essential reasons for how they came to be. That and the simply discipline and necessity of having to get really good at something because...well, if you don't, you're dead or, at the very least, taken advantage of by warlords, bandits or corrupt neighbours. 謝謝 師父 Greetings from the Lower Mainland.
I have had access to some Tai Chi from a fighting perspective. It’s actually, in my opinion a very good stand up grappling art. Kind of like Judo.
Shifu Adam is intelligent!. I’m a fan of him. I watch you everyday.😍
Man Adam is an amazing communicator.
I relearned so much from you that I had forgotten over the years after listening to your discussion on Tai Ji. You were able to put my understanding back on course by understanding the nature and nurture of contextual meaning as it applies to life and martial arts. I have been practicing ba qua, wing chun, tai ji and 7-star mantis for many years. As I got older and wiser, I realized that ba qua was the right art for me. I would love for you to indulge yourself further in explaining your point of view as it relates to Chinese culture and martial arts. Please consider doing a separate video on these subjects. Really inspiring video to watch. Thanks for being you Adam!
Tai Chi certainly works in a fight.
Tai Chi deadly works in a fight,but it hiding art. You have to be very close to Chen family and very smart.
I have studied martial arts all my life and the most powerful person I have ever experienced taught Tai Chi. I felt like a child trying to fight him.
I think there are two primary training deficits that severely reduce Tai Ji's combat applicability for the great majority of practitioners. First being the fact that the majority of Tai Ji practice doesn't include training that requires closing the gap in the face of punches, kicks, knees and elbows. Whatever you learn in pushhands will not be relevant if you cannot close the gap. Secondly, if your skill in push hands does not give you the ability to finish with strikes, joint destructions and chokes/strangulations, it has become a skill with no martial application. I have met so many Tai Ji practitioner who believe they are practicing the "ultimate fist" yet have never practiced striking at distance or at close range and have never had the experience of totally subduing a fully resistant opponent.
Tai Chi has one of the most Lethal striking abilities, called Fajing (fahh jing).. which translated to Explosive power. With mastery of that technology... you need only an inch or two at most, to have a strike that will END any mans life. I used to think poorly of Tai Chi... until I learned more about it.. and fully mastered Fajing. I was able to easily KO any fighter with a vertical fist to their foreheads.. less than 6 inches of travel.. and never used any more than about 15% of what I was capable of delivering.
Tai Chi has strikes, joint locks, takedowns, chokes/strangulations, as well as something like 15 different weapons.
Ive seen Chen Bing (of Chen family Tai Chi)... a tiny Chinese dude... repeatedly tossing an much larger MMA fighter, all over the room, as if he was a rag doll. His father, Chen Xiaowang.. produces so much power in his Fajing releases... that his legs visibly shake violently, on his releases.
I eventually used Tai Chi principles and methods, within Wing Chun. Especially when I learned that WC has parts of Tai Chi hidden within it. Its just that most practitioners have lost the true methods of how the art is supposed to operate properly.
As for your example of "Closing the distance"... you really do not get it. If an OP is attacking you... they have to get within striking range, to be able to land a decent hit on you. The moment they Invest in a serious enough attack.. is the moment you used TC technology, to deflect, and then use a devastating counter strike (or, if you are being "Nice".. a standing grapple method).
The main problem with the Art.. is that its a very slow progression art.. and that most of the teachers are not teaching the combat applications... let alone, the Fajing technology. If your strikes have no fajing.. then your Tai Chi is like a Cobra that has no Fangs. Yes... there are still things you can do.. but.. those things are not as effective, without the Poison Bite.
Ive never had the fortune to meet a combat able TC practitioner. I met one delusional kid, that had learned some of it.. but he had no ability to use it in sparring, at all. But seeing a few of the Elder masters.. I can see its power and abilities. And as said... Ive also used parts of it, to better my own responses.
For example.. with my Jut Sao (low gate forearm deflection). Rather than just use my Arm to deflect.. I used my entire body mass. This nearly shattered an MMA fighters wristbone, on impact. And that was with me only using about 15% power levels.
One time, long before that.. I was trying to Emulate a Push Hand Drill that I had seen. I realized that Wing Chuns Chi Sao, and push hands, follow very similar methods. Anyway... you maintain contact with the OP.. and one of the objectives of the drill, was to cause the OP to be uprooted, and take a step. Well, the OP managed to get on the outside of my arms.. and he shot a palmstrike one of his arms. But... my arms grasp was still attached to his striking arms elbow. As his strike started to push into my chest... and started to move me.. my own attached arm started to pull his own body forwards towards me, at a great speed. At that moment, I quickly pulled my arm hard and quickly turned my entire torso to the side, guiding his arm, and thus body, past my side.. with my own arm/body. He had already invested a lot of his own mass into his strike... and I used that power... as well as my own bodies mass and starting movement.. to pull him twice as fast and twice as powerful... and he was both uprooted... as well as flew past me.. unable to stop himself, ending up about 12 feet away from me.
At that point.. he was completely confused at what just took place. It felt like Magic to him. At one moment.. he felt was about to land a powerful strike that SHOULD have sent me flying back about +6ft away. But instead, it was as if he was hit nothing but air... and was suddenly and violently yanked forwards... as if a team of people pulled him with a rope. I explained what happened.. and his mind was completely blown.. and at that point, he stopped playing Push Hands with me.. as he felt like after that... there was no challenging me.
The interesting thing is... his palmstrike didnt really effect me.. because the moment it was just starting to penetrate.. is the exact same moment that my own mass started to pull him. The mass and energy transfer was quicker than he could cause solid impact damages. Now.. if he had hit with Fajing.. I might have taken too much damage.. regardless.. but Its hard to say. And of course, its not Optimal, for him to have gotten contact with my chest at all. If I were good at TC.. I would have directed his arms, well before that point. But it was the principles in action.. that made it so profound. Relaxed body, connected to the OPs body.. making our mass and energy unified.. and exploiting ALL of that mass and energy... to my own personal benefit.
And all of that is just the tip of the iceberg... of what TC has to offer.
This is a really great discussion. Thank you for your time and work Adam!
This was a really great discussion! Many thanks :)
what a guy, thank you for sharing. Your word and knowing is pure.
One of the best podcasts ever on this topic. No, it's the best. Thank you
Fantastic Kung Fu Report!!! I really enjoyed it... I'm getting back into Bagua, you're talks help out so much. Thank You
I think the same.. Thanks for sharing!
Well said. Thank you! I totally understand.
Super interesting and informative video Adam. Really enjoyed it.
Great discussion.
Thanks
Bravo! ДЯКУЮ!
Like any martial art, taichichuan can work in a fight depending on your ability vs opponent's ability. The problem is taichichuan is not the most efficient system for learning to fight. Before throwing a single punch, you have to do forms to train your body and mind to move in a certain way, which can take years. Then you have to train push hands or other drills to feel and control energy of opponent, which can take more years. When you get past all that you can start sparring. Compare with boxing, muay thai, or wing chun where you can spar in 6 months or less.
Awesome advice!
I read that it was a scholar who named the art Tai Chi. If I remember correctly, it was perhaps the founder of the Wu style who was demonstrating the art at that particular time. And the scholar likened it to the concept of Tai Chi.
Greetings Adam and Chris. The Grand Ultimate Fist has several different systems in it.
You cannot separate the Water from the Wave. Slow does not mean weak and fast does not mean strong.
I would suggest a couple things about this guy's question. First off, I believe very few people have the true transmission of tai chi "chuan". This is partly due to, I believe it was Yang Lu Chan's son who committed suicide which caused a gltch in the transmission in that generation. And when I talk about transmission, I'm pointing to internal training (that has to be shown by a qualified teachet, as well as teaching one how to fight with it. Then of course fighting experience. Check out Adam Mizner's videos.
Nothing but facts here!
Do what you gonna do everyday to the best of your abilities. Stay calm under pressure as best you can. Be aggressive when needed as best you can. Be a chef when making food. Walk correctly { i see people running to increase there cardio but move in a way that will hurt them in the long-term; not realising the impact to their joints/ articulations). Relax but people use modern tools to do so, from video games to meditation... This knowledge you bring makes a lot of sense.. Life and philosophy are almost like ying and yang.. One leads to the other and the other leads to the one..
And finally tai chi "chuan" is called grand ultimate fist because it first develops a high sensativity to one's structure and how to disrupt an opponent's structure. Much like Yap Boh Heong's 5 Ancestor's Fist, as well as other southern styles. Trapping, striking, grappling, etc. are secondary skills. However, few teachers seem to have the understanding or ability to transmit this any more. Wing Chun also develops this at higher levels of training. In other words WC goes from hard to soft. Tai Chi goes from soft to hard, but few know how to get there these days.
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During the late 1900’s some of the grand students of Yiquan founder Wang Xiangzhai went around China “traveling and making friends”. They traveled to all of Northern martial arts strongholds including Cangzhou and Shandong. They reported positively regarding the abilities of the Zhaobao Tai Chi practitioners of Xian.
Mr. Chan. Was the person that healed you Mr. Fook Yueng? I loved the I' m not going there' feel to your answer.lol.In my experience Tai Chi forms are like a master class condensed into Coles notes. You clearly need the contextual information to unpack.
A real Tai Chi master is never going to challenge somebody into a fight.
Adam, thank you for stepping out of the box from the initial question and addressing context. I've only watched a few of your videos so far, but already impressed by you level of instruction without much "jargon" as I would have said in tech support. I plan to share this with a few people if not more, after recent similar discussions about my Western practices. Through high school, I was in an honors humanities and International studies program or we did discuss different cultures religions and so forth worldwide. This combined with my own studies into comparative theology in mythology sociology philosophy and psychology and the combined cultural impacts. Very well stated, even though you also admit to not being a master. No one ever is, or should consider themselves to be, or else they would have already ascended into celestial form "as of a god/goddess." Even Odin spent nine days and nights over Mimir's Well to learn and fathom Rune lore, everyone has room to learn and grow. I have followed Western shaman traditions most of my life and incorporate corresponding beliefs from an array of sources including Taoism, Shinto, Old Nordic including Seidhr, and aboriginal sources worldwide. Your use of the te cup analogy is fitting. Channeling work in any form,whether Qi or other, requires completely opening and immersion in the stream/flow that permeates all and nothing. Being of a scientific mind, another correspondance is found in quantum theory regarding observation at its direct correlation to "willing into being" by the act of observing in the first place. There is in Western culture going back to ancient Greece, a similar mindset to Taoism. The Stoics, and especial those later to expand into Gnosticism versus Agnostic, accept that one should lead life "without making waves" so to speak. Many direct similarities to Taoist culture how you describe it being so embedded into the Chinese culture it is more an accepted/given state (involuntary mechanism at work) rather than a conscious decision or action. I just wanted to thank you personally for getting your messave through, even when as observed in the video, every inclination is subject to scrutiny.
That was like reading Uylesses 😂
The problem with most taiji is the training method. As one would expect, it shares a lot of similar qualities with xingyi. Unbalanced, rooting, and explosive power.
The real problem is that most people don't treat it like a martial art. They mistake pushing hands for sparring, if they even do pushing hands. Many don't do post training or reverse breathing, which I emphasize to my students is the most important part of taiji practice. But they don't spar. More importantly, they don't spar with people outside taiji, so they never learn to adapt it to other fighting systems. So they get beat up.
I just have to thank you for explaining this to non Chinese fans of kungfu.
Taoism is Chinese through
and through.
We breathe it, live it, move in it.
My grandma and mom knew nothing about Taoist philosophy
or its esoteric practices,
but their consciousness
and sense of self was completely Taoist.
You can't really study it like a Westerner does.
You just are it.
Probably like Zen is,
to the Japanese folk.
It is not something the Westerner can understand by reading a book or taking a course about it.
If Yoga, Taoism, or Zen are "esoteric" subjects to you,
you probably don't get it,
or rather, not in it.
It's not really just an
intellectual thing to 'understand'.
I’ve seen an actual tai chi master repel 4 dudes at once with barely a movement and some of them stumbling…..this is true Tai chi, and it is extremely rare. You become untouchable
I really Love you guys!
but the simple answer is there are many systems that call themselves Taichi, and the Taichi as a principle exists as part of every system as the balance of opposites; e.g., movement and stillness.
I practice white crane as a style but the balance between movement and stillness is the taichi within white crane.
Now when someone claims that the taichi is their style and they do not emphasize fighting as their practice, you must expect that they will not be good Fighters, they may be good at creating balance.
That is because In kungfu the only short cut is practice. What you practice is what you get good at.
The first person to introduce me to wing Chun actually was a tai chi master, and that's actually the case with alot of the old old wing Chun masters like leung Jan etc.
In the First form of WC.. is a section that is repeated 3 times in a row. That section is called "Three Prayers to Buddha". While most WC people do not practice the form properly... that particular section... is meant to be done Extremely SLOW. Im taking 30 seconds to extend, and 30 seconds to retract. That equates to that section being about 16 minutes long.
The other part of the form is normal and fast paced, and takes less than 2 min total. However, to gain the effects from TC, you need a minimum of like 1hr sessions. This is accomplished by repeating the entire form 3 times in a row, without any rest.
If you do the form this way every day / every other day minimum... it takes like 3 to 6 months, to develop your body "Internally". Your mind develops to become 1000x more aware. Your body develops, to have stronger internals... such as developing super-strong tendons (and a lot more).
Even Wing Chuns drills, borrow from Tai Chi technology. Push hand drills, are very similar in operation, to Chi Sao. The main difference, is that WC is a "reduced" art.. where as TC is a full art.. and so TC has many more possible responses... such as taking an OP low to the ground. Using Chi-Na (joint locks)...etc.
And like people whom do not do Tai Chi properly... also tend not to do WC properly. For example.. most WC people lack real short range power in their strikes. To develop that, requires Fajing (explosive power) training methods, and Mastery. WC has the Principles on how Fajing works... but very few WC practitioners ever develop lethal strikes at a mere inch or two of space. I learned and mastered it... and even applied it to a Jut Sao arm deflection. With less than 15% of Fajing release... my deflection nearly Shattered an MMA fighters wristbone. In less than an Hours time.. it swelled up almost double in size, and he was in great pains for many days to follow. And that was just a Fraction of what I was capable of delivering.
Way too many practitioners use WC similar to hard style Karate. And while that can work at times... it almost always backfires when pit against a much larger and stronger OP. You cant force or out-speed, a much stronger OP. You have to flow with the OPs energy, or circle around their energy... rather than clash with it. In order to reach that level of skill.. one has to practice soft power that is seen in arts like TC. One has to have developed those super strong tendons. One has to have a unified body mass, with the ability to coordinate its movement with precision accuracy and pinpoint timing.
And without a "Silent Mind" that comes from the mental changes that happen in long term moving meditation states... such a fighter is often easily fooled, and taken advantage of... due to their own internal distractions and their limited whole body consciousness.
As such.. most WC people, will never be that effective at their art... because they are missing its true Core foundations. I was fortunate to rediscover many of these missing keys, and train them to masterclass levels.
I have little doubt, that if I knew even more from Tai Chi... that my combat abilities would be even better than they exist today. The art is much deeper, and more complete. But its also a very long term art... that most people are not patient enough to learn and develop. Pretty sure that the younger me, would not have been so patient.
@@johndough8115 your referring to siu nim tao, that is actually just to learn and experience the method, all of your movements in everything should be performed in this manner wether your practicing martial arts, doing push ups or digging a hole.
@@johndough8115 you are exactly correct tho just adding to it from the wing Chun side, but yes actually wing Chun was originally developed and used by tai chi masters, and is heavily reliant on the internal or "soft" power aspects of martial arts, that majority only see in tai chi or wing Chun. Other arts talk about it tho they do not physically possess the ability to or experience using it. Like many traditional styles of karate such as gojo Ryu, and also jkd.
@@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812 You are 1000% Wrong.
The SNT, is both an introduction to the principles of the art.. as well as a training aid to develop technical potentials.
Ive had 3 different WC teachers. Some of them had backgrounds in different lineages as well.
I learned from One of them, the PROPER way to do the SNT. He made us do that form for the entire hour, without rests.. just as I described it. He had us do it several times in a one month period. However, it was implied.. like most things.. that you do this at home, away from class.. to develop it further.
I did. I practiced this every other day, for several Months.. and let me tell you... my Wing Chun abilities went to a Whole other level. I had already had many years of WC training BEFORE learning to do the form this way... so I can tell you from Real world experience... that what I got out of it.. is both REAL, and FAR different than the WC I had before it !!!
The problem with you.. and others like yourself... is that you are a Blind Follower. You accept what your teachers have told you, without any questioning, and likely... little to no Testing, of your own.
Sorry.. but what they told you... was wrong. It might not be their fault either... because they might only be speaking from what they were taught by their "Incorrect" teachers.
I have 28 yrs in the combat arts. Mostly in Wing Chun (spanning several different branches)... but also.. Ive cross trained in things like boxing, TKD, muay thai, and some bits and pieces from: Shaolin Longfist, Mantis, 5 Animal style, Tai Chi, and a few others.
Furthermore... I also developed myself with Full Iron Body conditioning... and I used to spar various artists outside of WC... including modern MMA fighters. Many of the fighters I used to spar against, were up to 2x my own mass and strength. We sparred at heavy / full contact.
I also built many custom training devices.. from a 6 section sandbag station (for both kicking and shandstrikes), as well as a metal kick dummy (Thress 7ft tall, 4" diameter, metal poles.. in a triangle formattion).
So.. Im not some clueless Nerd, thats never even sparred. These are not "Theories". Ive both developed, mastered, and USED these things... for several Decades... and have gotten Real world working results.
IE: When I spar.. I can maintain Perfect form. I dont look like a clumsy, low quality Kickboxer. All of the techs I execute, are exactly the way they are taught in the forms... no matter whom I spar.. nor how big and strong they are.
@Tai Chi Tube You may be speaking about small benefits, like temporary mood changes. Im talking about serious internal development changes... such as developing super strong tendons.
A mere 10 seconds is not going to stress your tendons enough to cause them to develop a notable difference. Even if you did 5 minute sessions every day for 50 years... you Still would not strain your body to the point of this kind of internal development.
You NEED long 1hr sessions to create the level of physical bodily strain, that will cause the internal changes to take place. 30 min sessions "might" be just enough.. but Im personally speaking from my own experience with 1hr sessions... and the success in a relatively short period of training time, to achieve such results.
Wing Chun has a special "high horse" stance (goat riding stance), where the knees are supposed to be bent to the point where they are directly over the toes. When you start doing this position... you can barely hold it for more than 45 seconds. By constantly forcing yourself into this stance, for the majority of each class session... your Knee / Tendons... develop to a whole other level of capability. I cant recall my own development time with this particular stance... but after a year.. I believe I could easily stand in this stance for an entire hour, without any pain / discomfort / strain..etc.
Of course, this stance is extremely simplistic, compared to the moving arms and full body mass developments.. of the other parts of Wing Chuns "Internal Development" training (The slow motion part of the 1st form + repeating the entire form for a full hour session).
Your reply here... seems more like a Fanboy amateur / beginner level reply.. rather than a serious and competent reply.. and it really challenges your depth of knowledge and experience.
It works, it is how you apply it....
The context of Tai Ji Quan, especially in China since the Cultural Revolution has been as a physical culture art, or health practice, not as a martial art. Many people practice it more or less as a dance, without having much practical knowledge of application of the techniques. On top of that many of them have not done the foundation exercises that create the strength to make the techniques work. When those people think they are still practicing a martial art and try to fight trained opponents who practice fighting every day things usually do not go well. Originally Tai Ji Quan was a martial art, but people who have only practiced it for health or performance need to be clear about what they are doing and not present it as a martial art. Tai Ji Quan practitioners who want to defend the martial heritage of the art need to train against aggressive opponents trying to punch, kick, throw and lock them before trying to fight pro or semi-pro MMA guys who do nothing but train to fight every day. This problem is not unique to Tai Ji Quan. Even Karateka who have not trained sparring but have only or mostly trained Kata usually do not do well against pro fighters, and the "external" Karate techniques are in some sense easier to apply in combat than most Tai Ji Quan techniques.
Tai Chi can be a fighting art if you know how to excute it. There are moves in the forms that can be used for combat.
"If you have to do something -- get good at it..." While I don't disagree with this, and in fact one might argue that if you have to do "something" all the time you WILL get good at it by definition, I am not familiar with this statement in the Tao Te Ching. Where does it say this? Now, if it was super important one would expect it to be found many times in the book. The Tao is very subtle but it clearly says that it is very difficult to understand and even more difficult to do...to the point of telling the reader that they probably won't be able to do it... More commonly found is the idea as shared by Bruce of being like water.... This IS in the Tao and arguably much more key to the work as is the "uncarved block", "wearing the cloak" and the nature of the "mysterious female"... These elements can be very tough to do especially for modern folks living in Western or Westernized culture...
As far as Tai Chi not being functional I think there are many dozens of examples of Chinese arts not being functional and I would argue that this is due to many cultural problems... Not the least of which is the profit motive, poor teaching, teachers who can't fight and students who don't want to fight. It is extremely difficult to find people who can fight well using Wing Chun let alone more esoteric styles like TC... All this not to mention Westernization influencing so many in their thinking of what fighting means or how it must be done...which is a large subject by itself... If Kung Fu was truly a great fighting art at one time (many styles I think were) then surely Tai Chi was one of the greats and like so may other styles could be again if people had the will and knowledge to make it so...
***Japanese arts: Many were used by certain classes to deal with warrior class folks who may have been drunk or other law breakers -- the military police of their time... In all cultures subduing an opponent without a weapon is ALWAYS a thing because a warrior will always (something that happens everyday) be without a weapon at some point, may lose their weapon in battle or may not have their weapon deployed yet, etc this is a key part of firearm training today... Also, many arts of Japanese or Chinese origin that use weapons had a basic training with hands first because it was less lethal and also vital...
@Tai Chi Tube Definitely don't agree with most of that on the Tao as far as TC (if most teachers are "clowns" then that is the main problem lol) and find the gun shy thing, etc as a reason for TMA failure hilarious...
But either way, wing Chun and tai chi are and have always been tied together and the aspects of generating power and transferring it into the target etc are the same originally intended to be used to power wing Chun. And alot of the old old tai chi master way back that actually were really badass at combat would have likely used wing Chun techniques for fighting.
Okay the thing with Tai Chi is the most people don't have the man mantality see it as an art when actually it is weapon that's like trying to paint a picture with an AK
Whether if Tai Chi is effective or not shouldn't be a debate now. A majority of people that practice Tai Chi don't even understand the basics. They just wave their arms and call it Tai Chi. That problem should be addressed first.
As someone that teaches, I have something to say about this. It is so hard to find people that want to do something else besides wave their hands around. When they find out that it's actually hard work they act like I'm speaking Klingonese or Romulan.
People just don't want to put forth the effort.
if the exercises of Tai chi has helped an old individual sit and get up from a chair, yes, Tai chi matters.
This question been asked to death a lot because of Xu Xiaodong. Actually there are tai chi like methods in other fighting arts. Just look at boxing with penetration punch, disrupting balance in wresting to recoil management in shooting. I been told by my teachers that tai chi or dao is in everything. In my experience, I actually met someone who knows how to use tai chi to fight but... wait he also does sanda and shuai jiao. He told me the method to make tai chi work in a fight is to lift weights and conditioning exercise. Also, you need to spar a lot. It is context of what you are using tai chi for. People who use weapons have some unarmed skills but they are specialist in using weapons. The whole empty hand arts is because people are prohibited from carrying weapons. Yup you need weapons to stop people from doing terrible things. As for showing off, the ego is out of control in this era. You actually the second person who have told me about shamanistic methods. I told about the void and everything concept. It is ironic how conversation about tai chi fighting lead to some deep ideas. Fantastic conversation thanks for sharing :)
Well, you are correct about some things.. but.. you dont actually need to lift weights, to be effective at Tai Chi. You do however, need to do long 1hr slow moving forms, every day... for many months.. before your body develops the proper internal strength (super elastic, and super strong, tendons and joints).
Weight lifting can also develop stronger tendons... but... it focuses on raw muscle power. Tai Chi relies on soft power. Whole-body, relaxed, mass movements. If you try to connect stiff muscles to your body structure... you are easily uprooted... like a truck that easily pushes a mildly thick tree out of the ground. However... what happens if you try to move a 200 lb bag of water? It absorbs and flows around your efforts... and is not so easy to move / manipulate.
Try it for yourself:
Tighten your outstretched arms muscles... as strong as you can.. and have someone push your arm down at the wrist point. They probably can cause your entire body to tip forwards, with a single fingers worth of downwards pressure. A mild palm, and even pressure is more than enough to uproot your entire body.
Now try this: Relax your outstretched arm. You want just enough energy to keep it from falling. As the OP pressed your arm downwards... think of your arm like a tree limb / bow. Allow it to be pushed, and only resist with minimal force.. allowing your arm to act like a Spring. Its soft enough to move.. but not so soft that the op can easily just push it Instantly down. They cant easily effect your entire bodies spine... and so your body is Not effected / moved / uprooted. If they push hard and deep enough to surpass your bows springy limits... you would then let your arm loose.. and they will fly past you.. to the ground. Similar to the game "Tug-of-War".
The amount of pressure and relaxed "spring" your body has.. is partially limited to how flexible and strong your tendons are. To develop such elastic, yet super strong tendons... comes from the long term strain of properly done, 1hour long, Tai Chi forms.
You can get an idea of how this is done by simply extending both of your arms to the sides of your body... at shoulder height. Palms facing upwards towards the ceiling. You want to hold your arms up for as long as possible... WITHOUT using muscle power / tension. Since you do not have those tight muscles to back up your joints... all of that leveraged mass, well start to Strain your joints / tendons. It does not feel to straining.. when only doing this for a few seconds... but can you make it to a full 60 seconds? How about 2 min? Now imagine if you could maintain that position for an entire Hour... and you start to realize how different your body will eventually become.. with enough soft-power training.
Now... you could tie some partially full water bottles to each arm... and get even more strain. The only issue is... that if the strain becomes too great, too quickly... then you will accidentally start to use more Muscle tension to try to maintain the additional mass... instead of tendons and body structure.
I tell people, that when you do these TC forms.. you need to learn to make your body feel Heavy.. as if you were just coming out of the water, and had sopping wet clothes on. You are not waiving just your arms in the air... with muscle drive. Instead.. you are relaxing to the point where you are barely held up... and use your full body mass.. that is unified with your arms. Then.. your arms become like 200 lbs of mass + force. Every move you make.. will be your entire coordinated body mass... like a Heavy Tsunami of moving water. If you do not feel this... then you are not going to get the Benefits from the form practice. (unless you end up doing it on accident, due to fatigue)
All of that said... one does in fact need plenty of practical drilling and sparring.. to be able to develop combat level ability with your techniques.
Also, you Do need to have extremely good core strength... such as super strong abs. Else, you cant conduct strong forces through you, without buckling. That means, a lot of Crunches, leg raised / lowers, and leg spins (basket ball sized circles, in both directions.. about 6" off the ground.. for at least 15 circles worth in each direction.. without setting down). Strength is also required for the explosive movements power potential (tightening on moment of solid impact)... as well as to help things like throws. You are using a combination of soft moving mass.. and then aided by muscle power at certain points.
Furthermore, you would also want typical Iron Body conditioning... to be able to take hits without easy injury... as well as to be able to deliver much more powerful hits. Some of this can occur from all of the Deep breathing that is done in TC form training (If the practitioner is doing things properly). However... its much faster, and likely much better.. to use traditional impact based conditioning methods for that (with the deep breathing being critical in Impact training as well.. so that you develop Tissue-Inflation abilities).
Actually he's answered some of these questions and more recent video. Tai chi and the other internal arts are really ultimately the same they emphasize certain characteristics and attributes but they come from the same place. Now just to clarify bagua is very much rooted in Chinese sorcery and the alchemy of the five elements so that art maybe you should sit somewhere else in this conversation but hsing yi and Tai chi probably came from the same place.
So the reality is is that you're supposed to be spending a lot of time in meditation. There's really three phases of the training there's meditation which dissolves artificial constructs in the ethereal bodies, there is standing which is a form of meditation but really develops the bone marrow ligaments and joints, and then there are forms which are the techniques ultimately and also for circulation of energy in the body.
There's a book called warriors of emptiness from a Tai chi Master I studied with and the reality is that you're just supposed to hold the state of emptiness and whatever happens happens and that might be something as much as just moving off the side brushing the person away and then leaping up a building and disappearing. Or it could be some very subtle thing like getting your palm under somebody's chin so they have a hard time going for a double a takedown and your rooting through the Earth so it's hard for them to reacquire their structure. But none of the techniques in Tai chi and ultimately any martial art come from the thinking mind, they come from the lower body and inhabiting it and then simply allowing things to happen in a fight or in life in general. The problem is is that if you are a true practitioner of Tai chi it makes it hard to be a person in society, that's why the great sages were cave dwellers. They were the yogis of China, if you tried to fight them unless they were evil they would likely just disappear jump 40 ft up in the air and disappear. I've seen some incredible things so I know that a lot of the stuff is possible. But it takes a lot of meditation and you also can't really be a violent person or have an agenda because the universe will rearrange things for you if you dissolve the karma that is causing the issues you're trying to deal with through violence. the truth is is that using these forms of meditation is such an advanced thing most people will never get to a place where this is applicable to them.
Now for lower level Tai chi sure it can be a system of wrestling or something like that but that's very low level actually. Techniques don't happen from the internal arts because you are trying to do them, no they simply happen or don't and it's like it's just happens so you know you have to understand that tight she is really about the most efficient path of energy so if the most efficient path is for you to simply evade an opponent and you're truly doing your practice then you will feel the violence coming into your life before it does and you will simply walk to the side. That's the honest to go truth.
People don't want to hear this. There are very few teachers out there that can even show you this stuff.
There are a couple Masters who are alive that can teach this type of skill. I don't know what else to say. You're not going to see them on youtube, there used to be one video of one of them on RUclips and his students deleted it. There are some lower level practitioners that are great wrestlers you can look at that stuff but that's not really the high level stuff high level stuff is like the internal practices and it's kind of like if you were to pull a gun they just want to be there like they would have known beforehand and they just want to be there. Your violent intention creates a projection in time and space and and a true Tai chi Master feels that they might not know why but they know something's coming for them and they know how to take a different stream in the River of Life that won't crush them.
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No. Does not matter. Why? ‘Fighting’ is a sport. It’s a competition. There’s rules.
Being incapable of winning in a sport setting because there's rules is the lamest crutch the MA community has allowed itself to settle on because people can't accept they failed their own systems and limited their boundaries.
If your "system" is that great, you should hold that standard no matter where you find yourself in.
Anything else is an excuse.
I agree 100%. The rules do matter. For example, a college wrestler in a boxing match. He's gotta wear gloves and cannot do anything below the legs, and any sort of clinch is broken up by the ref. And the boxer is gonna know the rules a lot better than the wrestler will.
Tai Chi is like any other martial art. Getting the real art, then how intensely you train depends on how effective it is -
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The grand ultimate fist translation is erroneous. Tai chi means no extremity as it means total extremity. It makes no difference if you win or lose or if you live or die. What was and is and is yet to be will be and will not be in equal measure. Once you have cleansed yourself of the illusion of free will you can begin your training. ☯️
Is there 2 forms of Tai Chi, and combat? I've heard this before but haven't found anything about there being 2 forms
Historically, Taijiquan originated in a Chen village in Henan province. It has two forms:
Yilu (first road), and er lu/pao chui (second road/ cannon fist:
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You talk about fighting is supposed to be a last resort, but it's different when you see someone hit a woman or an elderly person. Would you not immediately step in and do something if you saw this? Or what if they made contact with you and smacked you in the face--would you disable them?
a 45+yr Taoist ThanX U!
The void - the matter pre big bang - rapid expansion happens and the material universe is born matter, dark matter, and space-time. Usefulness is probably less correct than purpose (which I disagree with because I believe in how not why).
Shout out "grass and firewood collectors".
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Come on Adam, I didn't watch the video, the title was enough. You know about Dave Harris, right? He could kick the ass of any fighter, using tai chi.
Whoever was interviewing Adam Chan should ask someone claims to know Tai Chi, preferably meet them and experience the truth! Adam Mizner is most popular and seemingly amazing! Guaranteed even with my own Tai Chi teachers or accomplished students you’ll know Tai Chi is most awesome, but not limited to Tai Chi is the “internal” aspects of martial arts that make them “superior” to any other forms of fighting! Unfortunately people like Adam Chan skirt around the truth or reality of this by making video content and things about everything but just actually having someone like Adam Mizner on his “kungfu report” video and show the reality of the styles and concepts or whatever instead of just his own personal views and techniques on his own students. 🤔🤷🏻🤦🏻♂️
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Do you feel like you use martial arts concepts or daoism in other aspects of your life? Like sports? I think of Shaolin Soccer, lol. Everything is connected: man, Nature, physics, etc.
First ever printed text was in China.
We don't lose our rifle period.
Principles...?
Wow, a comment section about martial art styles that isn't a trainwreck. That's rare. :)
"Style vs style" is never the right framing anyhow. Styles don't fight.
Please, include the Cuisine & Ethics next time, Master.
Take more credit for yourself Adam. You are way beyond a white belt based upon the Japanese ranking system. Credit to your skill level is in the eye of the beholder.
Yes it works and no it doesn't matter lol. It's the individual the training and how it's applied that matters not style.
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Tai chi is like any other martial art. And the true transmission is rare. You have to find someone who has the true skill, train it, then develop fighting experience.
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Tai Chi has one of the most Lethal striking abilities, called Fajing (fahh jing).. which translates to Explosive power. With mastery of that technology... you need only an inch or two at most, to have a strike that will END any mans life. I used to think poorly of Tai Chi... until I learned more about it.. and fully mastered Fajing. I was able to easily KO any fighter with a vertical fist to their foreheads.. less than 6 inches of travel.. and never used any more than about 15% of what I was capable of delivering.
Tai Chi has strikes, joint locks, takedowns, chokes/strangulations, as well as something like 15 different weapons.
Ive seen Chen Bing (of Chen family Tai Chi)... a tiny Chinese dude... repeatedly tossing an much larger MMA fighter, all over the room, as if he was a rag doll. His father, Chen Xiaowang.. produces so much power in his Fajing releases... that his legs visibly shake violently, on his releases.
I eventually used Tai Chi principles and methods, within Wing Chun. Especially when I learned that WC has parts of Tai Chi hidden within it. Its just that most practitioners have lost the true methods of how the art is supposed to operate properly.
As for your example of "Closing the distance"... you really do not get it. If an OP is attacking you... they have to get within striking range, to be able to land a decent hit on you. The moment they Invest in a serious enough attack.. is the moment you used TC technology, to deflect, and then use a devastating counter strike (or, if you are being "Nice".. a standing grapple method).
The main problem with the Art.. is that its a very slow progression art.. and that most of the teachers are not teaching the combat applications... let alone, the Fajing technology. If your strikes have no fajing.. then your Tai Chi is like a Cobra that has no Fangs. Yes... there are still things you can do.. but.. those things are not as effective, without the Poison Bite.
Ive never had the fortune to meet a combat able TC practitioner. I met one delusional kid, that had learned some of it.. but he had no ability to use it in sparring, at all. But seeing a few of the Elder masters.. I can see its power and abilities. And as said... Ive also used parts of it, to better my own responses.
For example.. with my Jut Sao (low gate forearm deflection). Rather than just use my Arm to deflect.. I used my entire body mass. This nearly shattered an MMA fighters wristbone, on impact. And that was with me only using about 15% power levels.
One time, long before that.. I was trying to Emulate a Push Hand Drill that I had seen. I realized that Wing Chuns Chi Sao, and push hands, follow very similar methods. Anyway... you maintain contact with the OP.. and one of the objectives of the drill, was to cause the OP to be uprooted, and take a step. Well, the OP managed to get on the outside of my arms.. and he shot a palmstrike one of his arms. But... my arms grasp was still attached to his striking arms elbow. As his strike started to push into my chest... and started to move me.. my own attached arm started to pull his own body forwards towards me, at a great speed. At that moment, I quickly pulled my arm hard and quickly turned my entire torso to the side, guiding his arm, and thus body, past my side.. with my own arm/body. He had already invested a lot of his own mass into his strike... and I used that power... as well as my own bodies mass and starting movement.. to pull him twice as fast and twice as powerful... and he was both uprooted... as well as flew past me.. unable to stop himself, ending up about 12 feet away from me.
At that point.. he was completely confused at what just took place. It felt like Magic to him. At one moment.. he felt was about to land a powerful strike that SHOULD have sent me flying back about +6ft away. But instead, it was as if he was hit nothing but air... and was suddenly and violently yanked forwards... as if a team of people pulled him with a rope. I explained what happened.. and his mind was completely blown.. and at that point, he stopped playing Push Hands with me.. as he felt like after that... there was no challenging me.
The interesting thing is... his palmstrike didnt really effect me.. because the moment it was just starting to penetrate.. is the exact same moment that my own mass started to pull him. The mass and energy transfer was quicker than he could cause solid impact damages. Now.. if he had hit with Fajing.. I might have taken too much damage.. regardless.. but Its hard to say. And of course, its not Optimal, for him to have gotten contact with my chest at all. If I were good at TC.. I would have directed his arms, well before that point. But it was the principles in action.. that made it so profound. Relaxed body, connected to the OPs body.. making our mass and energy unified.. and exploiting ALL of that mass and energy... to my own personal benefit.
And all of that is just the tip of the iceberg... of what TC has to offer.
And as I mentioned previously you are correct, so don't take this to mean something it doesn't. That concept or aspect of martial arts doesn't singularly exist in tai chi, it is one of many aspects of martial arts, tai chi does focus on it more over all than others do. But it's alot more than just generating which kind of power, which is important, but also properly transferring that power into the target can be more important and greatly reduce the ammount of force you even need to have an even greater effect.
I once had a lovely brunch with an MMA fighter. We had ravioli.
@@Toecutter875 Good for you. I had formed a private sparring group. There were at least 15 different fighters that would show up, every weekend... to cross train, share knowledge, and spar against each other.
I also had some MMA fighters over at my house, where I built a Training Dojo, with many Custom built Training Devices. None of the fighters I had over, could keep up with my 1 Hour, hardcore, "core" workout routines pace and intensity. I even added 10 or 15 lb ankle weights, to make it more challenging for myself.
One of the MMA fighters, could barely do ANY Barefist pushups... due to the fact that he had never Conditioned his fists. When you rely on Soft Absorbing Gloves, and Tape your Weak Wrists stiff as a Cast... you are dealing in Delusional Sport Games, rather than actual Combat Reality.
Not long after that... I had that same MMA fighter, strike my Iron-Fist Bag. A free hanging canvas bag, that was filled with between 15 and 20 lbs worth of Steel BBs. It was about 7 inches in diameter, at its thickest point. With One Single hit, his fist turned bright red... and was stinging in pain. He turned his head to look at me... and the look on his face was basically saying: "This Dude, is FN crazy!"
After the 4 hour session... he never came back. It was just way too much hardcore efforts for him. He preferred the easier MMA training methods... despite me having previous sparred him, and he was unable to get a single strike and kick on me... due to me using much more advance leg and arm fencing technology.
Its not that he wasnt good either. He had fast, textbook accurate, and powerful kicks, punches, and techniques. Its simply that the technology that he was taught, had no good answers for the Combat methods that I was taught and had FULLY Mastered, to Masterclass levels.
Furthermore, he was a hair taller, was about 5 yrs younger than me... and previously taught men how to fight, when he was in the US Military.
Dont believe it? I dont expect anyone to openly believe anything. That said, one can find my early photos of me sparring (against a much larger and stronger fighter), and my custom made training devices.
Simply visit the site: "Flickr" and in the search bar, type: kungfusteve@gmail
When it does not come back with any results... click the button that says "People". From there, you will see my Link, with photos of Arcade pics, Custom made game controllers, and Martial Arts photos (scroll down to the bottom, for more martial arts photos).
When you click on a photo, there will be a little text description on many of them.
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Why would you knockout your training partners with fajin strikes? Also why would you punch the forehead that's literally the worst place to punch someone. I have been to seminars with less than 15 people but all these dudes turned up at your house? Sorry mate but you sound like a Walter Mitty character to me.
@@Toecutter875 1) I dont use Fajin on Training Partners, other than for showing them the Technique (lightly, to the chest). Ive said, that IF a fighter was being disrespectful before or during a sparring event... then I would Give them a little TASTE... and teach them a lesson. This tended to happen when I visited other martial arts schools, at their Open Sparring events.
2) The forehead is the Shortest Distance to the Brain. Therefore, releasing heavy vibrational level forces to that area, rattles the brain very effectively, and easily. Especially if the fighter is trained to Tuck their Chin down... which brings their foreheads even closer to your fist.
I have many years of Iron Body / Iron Fist conditioning. My fist are like solid balls of Steel. Hitting someone in the head, doesnt even phase them. That said, Fajin expression is also very different from typical impacts, too. You dont really have to drive THROUGH the target... so much as you are releasing the energy into it... all at once, all in an instant.
3) I never had 15 people over at my House for training / sparring. The most people I had training up there at once, was probably 6 people. Mostly, I had 3 private students up there, and sometimes they brought a Guest. And or, I would invite a martial artists that Id met... and either train with him and myself... or have him join my private students sessions.
The +15 people events, took place at a different location. I had a martial artist friend, whom had access to a certain building, on the weekends. The place already had mats, as it was supposed to be used to teach kids martial arts... but the program got canceled for some reason.
I met many martial artists, because I used to go to various schools open house events, to spar. I would get these guys contacts, and they would also give me contact of their martial arts classmates and or martial arts friends. I also used to work at an Arcade... and Id openly ask dudes that played fighting games... if they had ever learned any martial arts. I got a surprising amount of contacts from doing just that. Heck... I also once got a sparring contact, when I was throwing Kicks, while I was walking the malls parking lot, towards the mall. I also once picked up a student, when he saw me doing Wing Chun hand movements, while I was walking the Isles of Target (store). I gave him a demonstration, and he was so impressed, that he came to my classes, a few days later.
Anyway... because I had met so many artists... I Invited them to spar at this building... and we met up every weekend. The group kept growing, because those artists also knew other artists. Some would come to every meet up... while others might only show up once or twice a month.
One could say, that I was extremely Obsessed about the Arts. It was my extreme passion, and hardcore dedicated efforts, that got me such connections and such excellent results, in such a short amount of time.
But actually I have good reason to believe that wing Chun actually came from a tai chi master in wudang. Yes I'm aware of the woman who "created it", tho at that point in time the monks at the southern Shaolin temple majority trained pretty much all hard style kung Fu, it wasn't until after she arrived the started putting emphasis on the internal or"soft" power of martial arts, and it's most likely she learned wing Chun from a tai chi master on her way to southern China.
FYI - The story of the Woman behind Wing Chun, was a way to hide the arts TRUE origins. A teacher (Chinese dude) in Ohio, spend many years trying to search Historical records for this woman. In fact, she doesnt exist, and never has. It turns out... that the art of Wing Chun was developed by a secret society in ancient China. They wanted to take power, over the corrupted govt. of their Era. To do this... they needed an art that contained the most effective combat methods.. that could be both learned and fully mastered.. in less than 6 yrs tops.
Typical Chinese combat arts, start training the students as young as 3yrs old. These guys used to train +8 hrs every day. As such, these arts were designed to be learned and mastered.. in about 15 to 20 yrs worth of time. However... the Rebellion, didnt want to wait 20 yrs. So they created a "Reduced" artform... which you now know as Wing Chun. It lacks things like Traditional core exercises, Iron Body conditioning, Grappling...etc.
Why? Well.. for one... to reduce complexity, and the time it takes to fully master the art. Next.. is because Most all of the rebels that were being trained (in secret)... already had strong combat foundations, from previous arts training... in different arts. As such.. the typical things like Iron Body conditioning, are not seen in WCs training.. BUT... all of the Rebels would have had Iron Body conditioning, starting from a very young age. And as far as Grappling (Chi-Na) goes... Grappling is largely the "Nicest" response. WC is meant for Eliminating the Enemy... and so "Holding" them, is not a needed functionality. It was better to develop lethal short range striking power, than to learn a year of complex grappling methods. (That said... its best to know some of the most basic escapes to common grapples, such as Wrist grasps).
The rebel forces eventually launched their attacks... however, they were vastly out-numbered.. and eventually they realized it was impossible. They retreated, and all went into hiding. Some may have even left China, into Taiwan, or beyond.
From that point on.. Wing Chun was taught privately, in secret... and was never taught in the public, until Yip Man. The story of Wing Chun, was created to cover up the arts ties to the Rebellion... because the Chinese leaders were notorious for holding Long-Term grudges. If they found out that the art was responsible for the passing of some of their ancient grandfathers / officials... then they might choose to execute any whom were teaching it. The story not only hides the Origins of the art.. but also.. it conveys one of the most prominent features of the art: That you can use it to defeat larger and stronger OPs, using its Soft-Power methods.
The reality is that very few Chinese females trained in Combat arts. Especially before the industrial revolution era. Despite the soft arts having special features to help equalize things... its still very unrealistic for a females body to be able to deal with such hardcore combat strain. Especially at that time.. where even the smallest of male fighters, would have been 1000 times tougher than the martial artists you see today.
Furthermore... Wing Chun translates into "Beautiful Spring-Time". I believe that was one of the secret rebel Codes... for their decision to launch their attack, in the spring. Thus, actually meaning.. a "Beautiful Victory"... possibly in the Spring. According to the dude.. If I recall correctly... that its not a proper Chinese name... as as said.. there are no records of anyone with that "family name", or that name in general.
Also... the Wing Chun we know today.. has been heavily changed from the Original WC training and teachings. And in fact.. when the rebels launched their attacks... they split into Four different groups. At least two of those groups ended up meeting back up.. and likely exchanging combat knowledge.. and making some modifications to their methods. However, eventually.. these groups would all split up again.. and as such... there are many other Wing Chun versions out there. Some go by different names.
If you do enough research on Yipman himself.. you will learn that even He changed and simplified the WC forms... as well as some of the other training methods. He also created the modern WC dummy. The original was a static post driven into the dirt.. and the arms didnt move. That was better for arm conditioning... but.. because the limbs didnt share the centerline.. you have to take an extra Step, to make up for the dummy not moving. That does cause a lot of confusion, when trying to tie these movements to an actual human situation... so Yipmans dummy helped greatly with clearing up such misunderstandings.
That said.., there are many things missing from WC.. that SHOULD be put back into it. Such as the proper Slow moving part of the form.. and the proper Qi breathing. Also, foundations such as general Core strength, and Iron Body conditioning, should be added in.. since it was expected to be part of ones development, before learning WC. Obviously, sparring and real fighting.. was also a way of life for such rebel fighters... and that too, is missing from traditional WC training. Such fighters also knew many different combat arts methods... which made it easier for them to adapt and nullify various different kinds of attacks.
@@johndough8115 sounds accurate enough, either way if the woman was real, she was the same woman who invented white crane, buttt, she would have learned wing Chun from a tai chi master on her way to southern China, also as the Shaolin mainly practiced more hard style kung Fu at that time, it came from tai chi one way or the other
@@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812 White Crane is largely a Hard Style art. Its the original Foundation of Karate. Its HIGHLY unlikely that females were training White Crane.
That said.. you are also wrong about arts like Shaolin as well. ALL Chinese combat arts have Soft and Hard within them. Shaolin, for example.. teaches the Soft-Power techs, near the end of its training. Why? Because its the most challenging and complex.
Also.. you NEED hardcore strength and conditioning... for general combat. If you have never conditioned your shin bones, for example.. the moment some artists even grazed your shin... the fight would be OVER with... as you would crumble into a ball in severe pains. Thus.. arts like Shaolin, and White Crane... first start out with teaching the students flexibility, strength, and conditioning... followed up Larger body movements... and finishing off with smaller and tighter + complex movements. Its a long process of gradual development.
If you search hard enough, you might be able to find Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming, speaking about this, in one of his seminar vids. He states the exact same thing... that all of these arts have hard and soft within them. That even Tai Chi, eventually develops hardness within it. The path of development between these arts are different.. but the end result, is very similar.
Yes there is some Tai Chi in WC teachings. Ive mentioned this... as such, in the WC form... and a modification to Tai Chi Push Hands.
Though.. Tai Chi isnt the only Soft-Art either. There are arts like Bagua, XingYi, and Wudang. There are also soft methods in arts like Mantis (which also has a lot of shared technology, compared to WC). Arts like Snake, and Monkey, are very fast and Fluid as well (Ive met one.. as well as have met many other artists from various Chinese combat arts).
WC, as Ive posted.. is a Reduced art, that contains some of the highest level technology of the time... which is found in arts like Tai Chi. But as Ive said.. Tai Chi is not the only soft art... and ALL of these arts again... have Hard and Soft methods.
As for the story being real.. Sorry man.. its not. Its not even close to being Realistic. Not just because of the actual evidence.. but also.. due to the way people lived back then. No female was roaming around without purpose.. let alone, going to train high level combat arts. And even if such a female was to train for a full 6 yrs without ANY need to work (money / food)... she would Still be Vastly inferior to even the smallest of males.. let alone, a large beastly Thug of a fighter. Not just in strength.. but in actual combat techniques, and real world combat EXPERIENCE. If one has never fought against a masterclass level kicker.. one cant even Recognize a kick before its hitting ones head. And to have that level of experience.. means you are constantly taking on male fighters from different arts, on a regular basis.
This is why so many WC people give the art a bad name. They think they can use their WC-Only training.. and easily defeat a kickboxer, Karate, or even Boxer.. with ease... without ever experiencing any of these fighters before in their entire lives.
I can toe-kick your chin / throat, and set my foot back to the ground.. before you even realized my leg had moved (fingerstrike / jab fast kick, thats NOT telegraphed). Are you prepared for that ? I can assure you, you are NOT. Yet you think this imaginary female.. that trained with a female monk.. someone had developed that level of experience and abilities?! Its not even close to being realistic, let alone Truth.
I will also say, that while its said that WC is supposed to be able to be learned and fully mastered in 6 yrs... What most modern people do not realize.. is that their 6yrs was of daily +8hrs of training + fighting ! Not three days a week, of one hour classes !!! Thats the 50 year plan ! (if Ever).
Those guys trained much longer, harder, and FAR more intense.. than todays modern practitioners. They also developed everything they learned to full Masterclass levels of output. Todays WC practitioners, are full of sloppy techs... and can barely deal with a low grade sport artists.. without falling to pieces... and all of their trained "Form" goes right out of the window. Why? Because of Poor quality training ethics.
@@johndough8115 the Internal should be the first aspect you train, as well as karate does come from white crane but like I was saying it does cover the internal side, just most practicing it do not
@@johndough8115 I was specifically mentioning arts that do cover these things just that most people today don't bother with the training, but as far you wanna make it a personal issue, go on somewhere with that childish nonsense
I'm waiting for taichitube's comment. Probably good. Lol
@Tai Chi Tube you gotta post a comment first.
@Tai Chi Tube but you gotta write your own comment. Not a reply. Can't make am honest judgements or criticisms in a reply. I'm coloring it. Lol
Heaven and earth regard all things as straw dogs.
Everything is kungfu. If it works, it's Tai Chi. If it doesn't work, it's not Tai Chi.
Ignorance is bliss isn't it?
Sifu Adam, i don't know you well, i hope you are a good guy.
i give you a hand, since i noticed you are lost in the theory of Tai Chi. not totally lost, but lost.
Firstly, Tao sees this "world" as Yin-Yan, and 5 elements, so the same of us the human being, and "the 10 thousand beings".
Now, you must feel and trust, there is Yin-Yan and 5 elements in our bodies, and they are running our lives.
The Tai-Chi, so the core is the internal Kung Fu, "Chi". It follows the original mechanism of our bodies, and to strength it for health and fighting.
One must understand how the Yin-Yan and 5 elements works. wood-fire-earth-metal-water, (liver)-(vessels/heart)-(digestive/stomach(脾)but not the spleen)-(lung)-(kidney).
We have innate Chi working in our bodies, to run this system.
We practice Tai-Chi to strength it.
So we practice 丹田 Dan-tin, and the Tai-Chi techniques. These techniques must cooperate to the system. If you practice 丹田, the internal Kung Fu, but with some moves or techniques that "conflicts" with the Yin-Yan and 5 elements, you may hurt yourself, especially the lung.
Hence, the internal Kung Fu, has it's innate weaknesses too, limitation.
About the "internal", the Yin-Yan and 5 elements, i simplified it as a open hydraulic system.
you practice the "pressure", the Chi Kung. Tai-Chi, BaGua, and Hsing Yi, all of them are using this "internal", YY5 hydraulic system.
I hope this may help.
For all the taiji doubters , you could also look up Richard Clear and Peter Ralston....most taiji is macdojo bullshido the way it is taught. If you can't beat down an opponent with taijiquan , then you don't know taijiquan.
Do you belive tai chi and kuntao are the same thing? I watch a lot of clears stuff.
Cheng Tin Hung would disagree with you ...if you don't train for conditioning , power, footwork , alignment etc then it doesn't matter what you practice , you will get done like a dinner.
Bing Lee in Boulder is the motha f'ing man for the job. you're welcome
Wing Chun people has veaten by other styles... Does it mean that it does not work? NO!!!!!
WHO ARE YOU....??????A CLONE?