Traditional Martial Arts - PART 4 - Kung Fu Report
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- This is Part 4 of our discussion on traditional martial arts. We will explore the history and myths of Wudan mountain martial arts: Tai Chi, Ba Gua, and Hsing Yi. We will also draw some parallels between modern and traditional ways of handling attacks.
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This series is pure gold Adam, by far one of the best TMA in modern context breakdowns with demonstrations on the web hands down!
External applications seem to be often added to internal martial arts by outside observers as opposed to inside practitioners, and rightfully so by design, a very practical means of hiding your true combat mechanics in plain sight.
I also long suspected that the transition from any external combat style to a more internal style is just the natural progression of any and every good fighter across all styles as your fight I.Q. grows, but your athletic prowess diminishes by sheer force of age, allowing one to maintain a long-term sustainable degree of fighting ability. First learn to fight well, then learn to fight less.
Plus the importance of the right mindset married to the right technique, weapon, etc. is highly undervalued. The Jian and the Katana are designed around two wholly different mindsets, the Jian; agile shiftiness makes it its most effective, a radical mindset of non over commitment, a ghost, versus the katana; where very little shiftiness meshed with fast burst of over commitment with very little concern for defense or personal safety, a Kamikaze, I believe literally makes this weapon its most effective. Both swords seem designed and formatted around their appropriate combat/cultural mind frames.
I'm looking forward to seeing the next episode !
I love your explanation they're very precise and to the point that's exactly how my Shifu taught me
Adam, thanks for another video.
I really like your movement, but I'm iffy on the internal vs external demos.
Having done both kinds of systems pretty extensively, in the end I find it's all just refined mechanics, sensitivity and reaction - and that's for practitioners who actually where able to develop any kind of true skill. Many don't even arrive at that.
Having been "on the inside" for allot of these things I also can't see the point of trying to prove something by performing a demo, when any real proof needs to be felt in order to be realized/understood.
Thanks Adam excellence and the simple beauty of kung Fu. Tremendous history lesson, thanks again and be well.
Great! Thank Very much for the subtitles
Very interesting information! You are very much speaking from facts, you have a lot to teach! Real martial arts talk
Thank you for the history. the most important thing to me when it comes to martial arts is history and your wisdom knows no bounds. Side note: body count means something different than you think it does 😂
Thank you Adam and Chris.
HI respect to your martial art...could u ten us Wat the mind set of dao methods are please???
This is what Bruce Lee was talking about when he described water. Water is internal energy from a kungfu. The teapot / any shape analogy is based on whatever shape you or your opponent has and it doesn't effect the outcome of success because internal power is shapeless/minimal movement to generate power.
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THIS is what make kung fu so awesome to me.
Just a question- you pronoubnce it "bagua" ? I always heard it as "pakua" because of the pinyin transcription
Both are correct as bagua is the Mandarin pinyin while pakua is the Cantonese pinyin. FYI, there were two meaning of the word bagua/pakua. For your additional information about this word. One is stated as what it is, the other meaning is gossip. So when someone talking about the others, we would say: Don't be so "pakua"!
There are almost no surviving Wudang internal lineages. I know of one Wudang lineage and I’ve seen another that is almost certainly one.
Samyama is the basis for substantial skill development in these arts. As in all skills, some people have an inborn talent that makes Samyama unnecessary, but those are relatively rare, and from what I’ve seen, those individuals tend to have little interest in martial arts. Basically, Samyama leads to the dissolution of duality, and duality is the basis for conflict, someone born with a Samyama like state will tend to not perceive conflict as an innate aspect of their experience of life.
Among other things, Samyama helps establish a particular energetic integration with the physical. This integration results in a very distinct movement signature. The most similar among arts with a significant number of practitioners is 縱鶴拳 (Zòng hè quán). The Wudang arts also have a distinct naming convention.
Also noteworthy is the applications are relatively simple and direct. There’s no grasping and essentially no body to body contact. Any striking combinations tend to be simple 1-2 affairs. The general flow tends towards: enter/receive, na (without grabbing or compressing), then strike. The strikes do not require iron skills training. Proper iron hand training (the type well suited for medical tuina) can be helpful, but is not necessary. Hard hand conditioning like striking a Makiwara makes training more difficult. Striking that requires leaving an external bruise to be effective is incorrect.
For Wudang sword play, the best surviving samples are in the San Cai Jian of Li Jin Ling and Sun’s Taijiquan Sword, with the Sun Taijiquan sword being more internal. Li Jin Ling was trained by a Wudang sword practitioner and Sun went to mount Wudang (he taught his Baguazhang there in exchange for other teachings. Being the first to teach Baguazhang at Wudang, his Baguazhang effectively became Wudang Baguazhang). Sun and Li collaborated in the creation of their respective interpretations of Wudang sword. Sun Jianyun produced a video disc which teaches the sword in reasonable detail. The most common application flow in practice is: enter/receive, na through the sword to sword contact point, lead while turning and walking, then cut. If you haven’t acquired the skill of na without grasping or compressing, the applications of Sun Taijiquan Jian will not work. Li Jin Lings San Cai Jian will work since it’s not reliant on na.
thank you, very interesting.
Thanks for "Hard hand conditioning like striking a Makiwara makes training more difficult." = Generally, Sadhana and Training are very different concepts.
Adam. You've been on my radar since Core Self Defense. I used your website PragmaticMartialArts as a template for my first web design class. I've been interested in internal styles as I get older, and I've been avoiding you for a long time. In this video you said it doesn't matter what style you teach you "always implant internal mechanics in there." Also I've been doing a sort of 'Last Airbender' mixing of martial arts including long fist, hakka, and tai chi and you're teaching 2 of them on the site. I'm about to be like "just take my money already!!!"
The translations (terms) of taiji, Internal, and external related to levels of execution, and training (the execution of techniques).
These are ancient terms (meaning they predate the styles - taichi, ..., Shoalin). And they had noting to do with Buddhism, Daoism, or Confusus.
They were methods discovered by soldiers to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of their techniques. They are levels ..
The basic understanding was as follows: as a beginner you trained/relied on your major muscle groups (This was the external method) to excect techniques; as an intermediate you relied on body mechanics to ... (this was the internal method); and lastly you trained so much that your techques were effortless / well beyon that of the average soldier (this was the grand ultimate, the taiji).
All this had nothing to do with either relgion, including Daoism.
Seen a lot of taichi, with lots of spoken about yin and yang. Only the yin and yang is not visible in the actual taichi movements. I think you have something when you said they took the daoist internal and left out the mindset. Like in some taichi books they mention daoyin and tuna (breathing) and later versions, nothing🤔
I'm mainly interested in the system of Chen Man Ching, the 37 movement short form. Also to the blind friend, in Spanish is "Viva Cuba Socialista" so you are, also wrong, in the way you express your sentiment😀. The cultural revolution was terrible. Cheers
If you won A segment B part and what about The C Class.
So Aikikai is just 1 and there are 128 OTHER ones. No 127, and counting still..... And this is not even going into Uruguyan Palladin Arts and then other Slayer Art Forms.
Please define an ""internal mechanic" and what makes it different from an external mechanic....
It's a bit tricky to explain but I do go through the same thing for my knife throwing.
External mechanics result from when you're too focused on the physical technique itself and not the foundations behind the technique.
Some people will say that "internal" means using your body mass as the power house and your arms/legs are just sticks attached that energy travels through. The muscles that you DO have on your arms and legs are mainly just to be able to move your sticks in position for the body to apply its fullest power. As a result, your arms are relatively relaxed, stiff enough to not collapse.
Maybe another way to explain internal mechanics is to think of this:
It's one way to hammer something with your first... it's another way to hammer something with your body through your fist. Your fist and arm just guides the hammer, your body provides the energy.
Now... if your body is too tense, then you're choking up the energy/power. Thus, breathing is important. That's why in any sport, people exhale upon performing the action. Breathing out happens when your body relaxes, and it relaxes the body.
First off, I’m an outsider. I don’t know Adam or his Students. So what follows are just my observations (and of course the associated innate prejudices). What I believe Adam has demonstrated regarding internal includes: Intention in terms of how you develop your coordination (ex. Yiquan standing). Intention in terms of how you perceive where you are acting from (e.g. your center) and what you are acting (opponents center). Intention in terms of how you present and relieve pressure (examples starting around 11:48). I don’t know what Adam’s understanding of the internal is, this is just commentary based on some of his public videos.
quantum physics, fascia, nervous system, and GI Tract electrons. Combining Energy and releasing it. Internal not as reliable or as easy to train as External. Adam is an external practitioner. Adam can't Fa Jin. What do you want to be? A spiritual healer who fights too, or an MMA fighter who ends up in jail for organized crime?
i prefer living.
Thanks for trying to explain folks but so far there is no clear answer... An inferior or superior mechanic as a definition doesn't make sense nor does what you're thinking about when you do the mechanic make any sense or saying it's when one uses the core or not work... It should be pretty easy to explain, just like saying what an internal combustion engine is vs an external combustion, clear, obvious, simple and something everyone agrees with and not hard to find the answer..I mean it's a body mechanic and this is 2023.. Also there are few if any examples of internal fighters wreaking havoc in any fighting venue that I am aware of...
I'm not saying it's not real but it shouldn't be a mystery... I have yet to hear anyone give a clear and concise definition as to the meaning and some guys will resist addressing the question clearly at all. My Sifu who was a student of Ip, if I'm not mistaken said Ip did away with such nebulous terms with respect to Kung Fu in favor of more modern and clear terms and this I have a feeling is why...
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I don't have an issue with it personally, except almost every one outside has to go Instinct in 2-5 minutes.
Thank you very interesting😀 People should appreciate that there is a union between mind and body. Also there is a blindness to the effects of socialism-communism that I fail to understand. Venezuela was the richest country in Latin America, now is fighting for the first place in poverty thanks to socialism, amazing😫. Any opinions on Tai Chi after Yang Cheng Fu? 🙄 Cheers
Mass murder is non partisan, most of them have not been committed by socialists or communists (who have not only done bad things but good things too, such as fight for racial equality in the 1920s and 30s before anyone else). Most poor countries are also not socialist, nor have been. Venezuela itself has never had more of its economy in the public sector than the UK or France, so it has not been socialist. It' downward spiral is more likely due to the combination of its government corruption, mismanagement, bad trends in global oil markets, and US and corporate led sanctions and sabotage against that country than any particular "ism".
VIVA SOCIALIST CUBA!
A martial art that legit came from Wudang is Tai Yi Wu Xing Quan.
How can you be so quick to dismiss the legend as fiction? Maybe the logical explanation was set in place to protect the myth in The legend and it's truth?
Why would you need to protect a myth?
"Communist" in name only, as Nazi's were socialist in name only. Sorry, a bit off topic. Everything else I very much agree with. Unfortunately, the terms "external" and "internal" have been deluded and frequently misunderstood as something other than positioning and physics.
Adam, "the communists" didn't kill 56 million people in the cultural revolution, though you may be thinking of a famine that was largely caused by the "great leap forward", in which over 30 million, perhaps many more, people died as a result of foolish agrarian policy, but they were not killed intentionally. The Chinese communists were trying to build up the economy, not starve their own constituents. When Mao and the leadership understood what was happening, they changed policies and actually eliminated a lot of diseases, trained doctors for the poor, and also finally ended famine for good after hundreds of famines in imperial chinese history. I am not a Mao fan, but it's not a black and white record: life expectancy nearly doubled under Mao, and by the end of his tenure (36 to 66) . Meanwhile, education, the economy and infrastructure grew each year except for the 3 around the GLF. The communists introduced at least some pockets of self rule, land reform, and bits of (flawed ) democracy into a country that didn't have any before then. In fact, some persecutions of this time were the poor farmer majority calling for "justice" for centuries of abuse, with the communists following their lead just as much as vice versa.
Killing monks and artists was surely wrong and horrible, but it's also the case that many clergy/temples were not neutral and had taken a side in war and revolution. Even long before the war, there were whole temples that were bandits or worked with local tyrants, corrupt landowners and warlords (again this is no excuse for collective punishment for the crimes of the few, the point is to illustrate how such issues could blow up into tragedy once the majority had a say).
Speaking of fictional histories, the grey and messy reality of historical change and cold war conflict is better than cold war mythology from either side. As a point of reference, the british caused the deaths of up to 165 million people in india in one 40 year block, while life expectancy slipped to 21. Unlke in China, this was not from tragically messy attempts at building indian democracy or independence or for anything good, and they didn't try to reverse to course. That doesn't mean saying "the liberals/the british" were just mass murderers is the truth either. There is more to their legacy and contribution to the world that demonizing them obscures from view.
People in China generally like Mao for a reason, and it isn't just brainwashing - the rival faction to the Maoists (his enemies) have been running the country for 40 years, they call the cultural revolution a blunder and yet he is still popular. Why? Because despite plenty of bad actions, the communists also accomplished things . The Chinese nationalists who had lost the war, were not exactly angels in comparison.
Good video as always, thank you.
Adam is a bozo when it comes to history and political science. Some butt hurt White Imperialist Puppet Chinese Nationalist/Fascist has brain washed him with BS. Or maybe it was Jordan Peterson, LOL?!?!?
he has as bias against the cpc, which is understandable. but we need to move on. the old cpc is gone
I'm not a historian, so I can just put it the way I see it personally. And, I am great admirer of Chinese culture, which also means that I must be aware of the "dark side" of Chinese history, which the Mao time and Cultural Revolution definitely was. No question that much had to be rebuilt form scratch, but one cannot ignore that Mao didn't bother about millions of people starving to death. He was willing to take this as a sacrifice in order to achieve the greater goal. So, it was not just an accident, but a well calculated decision. Not different to Stalin's "work" in Ukraine before WW2, where also millions of people starved to death. And for me as a German: Not different from Hitler, when he sent the Wehrmacht to the Eastern front, whilst everyone was able to calculate that the distances where to long and the front line to wide for the amount of fuel and supplies available. He also sacrificed his men for his greater goal.
@@Juergen0202 Actually those accusations and comparisons are completely bogus, dramatized, and more than a little crazy- I respectfully suggest you read the history that's come out in the last 30 years, especially by historians who can read the languages of the country's they study. One good book to start with on Mao is a compilation of essays by China historians with diverse views and backgrounds called "Was Mao a monster?" and move forward in time to books of the present day.
@@emilianosintarias7337 Thanx for this detailed update. I always apreciate a book recomendarion.
It is silly to talk about internal energy vs external energy. If we believe in the concept of YinYang then there is no such thing as Yin and Yang. Yin cannot exists without Yang and vise versa.