Update (8/4/23): My friend Terry who's a Jiu Jitsu coach in Taiwan tells me that one of his friends is taking on Li Yuangang the tai chi guy in an MMA fight soon. Hopefully, Terry can make the introduction through his friend. Keep you guys posted on this!
The way that taiji guy grapples while standing is very taichi looking. The move that he does at 2:57 where he takes his arm under his opponents underhook. presses his opposite arm against their back and lifts upwards on the opponents wrist is a common way to lift an opponent and toss them out of the ring in tai chi competitions.
this is a great example of good taijiquan training applied in a fight. tuishou (taiji sparring) is a relaxed, defensive form of wrestling. notice the "tai chi guy" had no finishing power; he wasnt setting up big strikes or submissions, but he stayed composed and didnt use too much energy and ended the fight in a dominant position [edited for clarity]
@@hanu9830 literally nothing he did was any kung/gung fu… he did one basic technique that worked, and ate punches to the face… let’s have a bit of humility here,
@@atheist-karate-guy "it either works or it doesnt"? even a casual mma fan knows this isnt true. does jumping on a guillotine work? sometimes yes, sometimes no. does a spinning capoiera kick to the head work? sometimes yes, sometimes no
Tai chi suposedly is not all about wrestling. It has striking aswell. From what I have been taught the ideal range for tai chi is clinching, where you can use your tui shou to set up your strikes, locks or throws if you want to take your oponent down. I remember this guy, he only needed to add more striking to his repertoire to be much better and he did! This time around He pursued the clinch to apply fa jin striking and lit his oponent up, he didn't attempt to take the fight to the ground as much because he knew that would be playing to his weak side. He only sought ground fighting when he got a clear advantage, like when he mounted or at the third round when he catched the oponent's leg. Very smart. Regarding that reversal that you repeated in slowmo, i don't know if it was any technique in particular, but it certainly looks like the tui shou training helped him detect where the force and the balance of his oponent was at all times, so I'm guessing he just applied that, combined with any bjj training he may have had. I'm so glad for him, I hope he keeps at it so you can cover more of his fights!
I train at this guy's gym in Taiwan. 武甲is a mma gym. The head coach does do taichi but he also has a mma background. I think he (the head coach) fought under ONE and it's currently a brown belt in jits.
Please don’t stop making fun of Tai Chi guys. This coming from someone that has practiced Tai Chi for more than 10 years and still practice for health.
Keep that way.. fighting is not healthy.. save yourself in the park and living room.. don't market tai chi for combat.. As MMA hobbyist.. i love to spar with aikido and tai chi for fun and laugh.. totally stress relief
My love for tai chi grows with age, mainly because when when im wounded (which is all the time now that im old) its the least painful exercise and the best for healing.
@boyingmachete3255 I mean, u saw this video right? Tai chi has legitimate applications, just isn't practiced by most ppl like that. The mma guy wasn't a slouch either I think what happens w tai chi, Kung fu etc. They got lost in trasnlation over the centuries. This channel showcases that. There's dudes making these art forms work, it's just rare bc they aren't taught effectively
@@cloudmaster182 its not pure tai chi.. tai chi in what essence?.. what tai chi promotes?.. where was the tai chi move that caused significant damage or defensive move?.. just use it for relaxation at home/park, stop claiming it a fighting style.. What i watched was nothing of tai chi but pure MMA fundamentals.
@boyingmachete3255 ppl have said for a long time that it emphasizes grappling techniques and using an opponents momentum against them, in the video we see that happen multiple times. It originated as a fighting art. It's not that hard for martial arts to become watered down and functionless and that's what happened w these ones. That doesn't mean they have zero practical applications. It seems like a rly simple concept to understand. I practice MMA and outside of some karate, don't rly do too much of these traditional arts, but it makes perfect sense and there's footage all over the internet to back it up. Even if 99% of practitioners do tend to get their asses beat, there's still that 1% that actually spar and know how to fight while still utilizing their trained techniques and principles. They do exist lmao But yea, it's not "pure". There's nothing "pure" about an MMA match. There's literally no art that u can rely on solely in MMA for more than maybe a couple matches of catching an opponent off guard. That's kinda the point of MMA
Taiji guy needs to tighten his guard when he comes to striking. However, he had some great takedowns and decent ground fighting. He needs to work on his striking(it was a bit sloppy). What he did with that reversal was essentially just contracting his body and yielding. It's standard taijiquan, usually done standing up. Haven't seen his other fights, but this was pretty cool. I'm glad to see more of us step in the ring. Salute to him for that.
The moment you mentioned looks like it would be based on the practical implications of the Ward Off or Grasp Sparrow’s Tail movement from the TaiJiQuan form.
I think that's just the basic scissor sweep, the first sweep from guard you learn in jiujitsu. Pretty textbook, he's blocking the leg he's sweeping to, inserting a knee shield to apply some pressure, and capturing the would-be posting arm to prevent a block. It was pretty clean for a real fight, but the other guy was creating a ton of space to work too. You can tell he's probably had some jiujitsu in the way he's constantly moving backwards which reduces or stops stacking. You can also seem him trying to work a basic side control escape at the beginning when he's capturing the other guy's ankle, but that's usually a kesa gatame reversal specifically. You're basically using that hook to try to get your bodies parallel and close to each other (basically you want to destroy that cross-like side control arrangement which creates a ton of leverage), and when the leverage is killed you can bridge and then reverse. If you don't get a hook on the ankle, the opponent will just realign to be perpendicular to you every time you try to close the gap. It failed but I can sort of see what he was trying to do there. He had pretty decent guard retention too. He's constantly rearranging his guard to prevent stackage. That's why he keeps opening up his guard and inserting knee shields, and it's also why he's letting himself get slid back on the mat (probably the easiest way to avoid stackage). You have to hand it to him, as a jiujitsu beginner he really held it together under pressure.
Coming to comment the same. Sweep at 5:32 was a basic scissor sweep. Props to the tai chi guy though because he is really relaxed and his scissor sweep and mount sweep looked pretty effortless.
@@AOMartialArts he's very patient and cool under pressure. He's got a very active guard, he's mitigating the damage, and he's just waiting for his opportunity. When he sees it, he calmly executes it (the scissor sweep). For someone who's clearly a beginner, his ability to stick to his game plan under that kind of real-world pressure is very impressive.
@@1easymoney155 At 6:14 it really looks like he’s going for a basic Kimura from guard. That said, just because you’re going for a Kimura from guard doesn’t mean you’re not also trying to sweep, because threatening the Kimura is often a setup for a hip bump sweep or vice versa. Still, it doesn’t seem like he knew about that combination yet, or he felt for some reason that it wasn’t a good option for him. Can you link a video of the sweep you’re suggesting? I’ve never heard of it.
That Tai Chi practicer is looking more beast in there, even the MMA fighter look impress by his opponent. And here I thought Tai Chi is all about relaxation and emotional control. That Tai Chi is a fighter. 👏👏👏👏👏
@@neutrino78x lmfao wrestlers don’t really do it, judokas don’t really do it. But you expect me to believe tai chi (the “martial art” that’s less violent and is less practical in self defense than bingo) can up with a scissor sweep 💀
@@bvgshouldbecoach " lmfao wrestlers don’t really do it, judokas don’t really do it" Wrestlers don't sweep? News to me. If you're standing, and you're trying to grapple on the ground, a sweep is one of the easiest ways to do it. "But you expect me to believe tai chi (the “martial art” that’s less violent and is less practical in self defense than bingo)" I see, and what is your experience with Tai Chi? How long have you studied it? I haven't studied it at all -- I did ITF Taekwondo -- but I'm not the one claiming it's not useful as if I had a lot of knowledge of it.
@@neutrino78x a fxcking scissor sweep? You mean to tell me wrestlers go to close guard and scissor sweep? Do you even know what a scissor sweep is? Have you ever trained? I’m not talking about a standing foot sweep which both of those arts do. Or a reversal for wrestling… judo might do but there emphasis is mainly throws and ippons. Very limited on the ground compared to bjj and wrestling. I’ve done 3 years wrestling, 12 years bjj and counting (and I coach both gi and no gi). 5 years of freestyle MMA (boxing, kickboxing/ Muay Thai, wrestling, Judo, and bjj). I mainly emphasized on boxing and wrestling, judo, and bjj. Didn’t know they had scissor sweep in TKD… thought it was all kicks. Do my a favor and look up “scissor sweep bjj”. Then comment.
@@bvgshouldbecoach "You mean to tell me wrestlers go to close guard and scissor sweep?" I'm telling you pretty much everybody has some form of that. Look up this video title "Spinning kick, scissor sweep.", from user "Eureka Taekwondo". By your logic, if the system I practice includes hand strikes, it can only western boxing. But hand strikes are included in pretty much everything....Kung Fu, Karate, Taekwondo, Muay Thai, etc.
7:41 The "looseness" (松）IS a defining trait of Taiji. That's what allowed "Taiji guy" to "eat a lot of shots" and still be fine. Also what allowed him to reverse a ground fight in ways you didn't expect. You don't have to look for a "standard Taiji move" to tell if someone is making effective use of his Taiji training. If he's simultaneously more loose (i.e. yin) than the opponent yet manages to assert an advantageous position (i.e. yang), that IS Taiji: yin & yang blended.
Tai chi is 90% get in close, wrestle, and throw the opponent. All of the silk reeling and waist movement in the forms are for wrestling. Yanking, pushing, and throwing the opponent. And relaxed body movements to make the opponent push through you, and fall over, so you can throw him more easily. It's all done close while clinching with the opponent.
That position change, where the Tai Chi guy turned on the MMA guy on the ground. That is what Tai Chi is good at, guiding the incoming force (MMA guy used ground & pound) around and move the other person to the ground or away. He used it on the ground and gained a position change instead. FREAKING BEAUTIFUL!! RESEPCT!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Really? I saw a very basic, beginner level sweep….. anyone doing bjj for 6 months could do the same……. Seems to me, some here are “impressed”, not because of technique, but just to show national pride..it’s cool, but it’s obvious.
@@davidcdun8896 what I’m saying is, he obviously learned a bit of bjj, it wasn’t “kung/gung fu. The national pride is in their system of kung fu…not the people… for some reason, the times someone says something positive about the effectiveness of the Chinese systems, it’s only the Chinese people, people that are trained in the martial arts that have no biases normally see it my way.
@@davidcdun8896 a HS wrestler from just about any school in the us could destroy most kung fu “masters”, this is reality, there are exceptions to the rule like Sanda, but that’s a very new sport, it’s not a traditional system, made up in the 20’s.
@@davidcdun8896 he's ostensibly tai chi and BJJ. The sweep is a very conventional BJJ sweep that all white belts learn. Props to him though on a clean execution, and the scissor sweep can be harder in no gi without the grips.
Taichi guy has pretty good fight IQ. I think he would be a better fighter if he switched his stand up to boxing or something. He ate lots of stiff jabs when he didn't need to
It looks like Tai Chi guy is redirecting the shots into the floor. I know it sounds like woo woo, but it's a real thing. Notice how he bounced off the shots and he moved his head with the punches. They didn't seem to damage him. Maybe it's a strategy to make the other guy wear himself out throwing ineffective shots, like some sort of Tai Chi Terminator.
it's a basic jiujitsu guard for MMA. you're constantly moving your head to dodge shots and "swimming" up through their arms to parry shots and seek grips or set up submissions. It'd be better if he could use that to get an overhook (wrap around one of his arms) and then he could start to work an offensive guard, although in fairness he was able to get a clean sweep to mount which is all you really need in guard anyway. It's all like old school Gracie stuff.
@@elenchusit's done in most fighting styles tho. Many boxing gyms teach how to do it, most Kung Fu styles also did. Some Filipino martial arts also do
@@jestfullgremblim8002 I guess I need some clarification; I read “redirecting shots into the floor” as referring to being in the guard and dodging ground and pound shots, but if he’s speaking in some more esoteric sense of standing and exchanging shots and somehow sending them to the “floor,” then I’ve got no idea.
@@elenchus It's only "esoteric" in the sense that, for some reason, most people don't make this principle a training goal. but actually the concept is quite mundane in terms of the physics involved. The basic idea is to meet the opponent's attack with just the right level of resistance and alignment, so that the force of the attack is totally dissipated. i.e. the attack seems to connect but doesn't affect you as much as the opponent expected. "redirecting the shots to the floor" just means that the force passes through you (and usually into the ground) without harming your structure, like an earth wire redirecting a lightning strike into the ground. ( Balance is key. If you're too stiff, you get jarred by the attack. If you're too limp or not aligned well, you collapse. If you dodge, you give ground to the opponent (if the latter's very persistent). ) When done right, you can indeed "swim through" the opponent's attacks and take him/her down. In fact, this balance of softness and assertiveness is THE defining ideal of Taiji. At least, this was what Taiji was originally developed for. Compared to that, the shape of the "moves" doesn't actually matter. (unfortunately, even a lot of "Taiji students" aren't aware of this, because it's indeed much easier to show and teach the shape of the "moves" than to train the subtle control of force and alignment. the end result is that a lot of what gets labelled as "Taiji" nowadays is just "Taiji" in form but not substance.) If it doesn't sound very special to you, keep in mind that Taiji was developed a few centuries ago, long before "jiujutsu for MMA" as you know it was a thing.
Good on Tai Chi guy for continuing his process. Things don't happen overnight. BTW, has the content creator of this channel ever fought, or is he just a super fan?
If you look from 6:00 to 6:10 you see some tai chi chi sau type stuff, as the tai chi guy maneuvers around his opponents arms to deliver ground strikes.
5:34 if you really want to say it's taichi, it's just using opponent's momentum (that forward punch movement from the red guy's left fist, and then grapple it) and then pivoting of the core muscles (pretend the taichi guy is the door hinge that just rotates).. i think bjj and other martial arts teach that too.. there is no fixed style, it's just how the martial artist perceived their own style and apply as they see fit.
@4:00 ish. On second look it would be a Ko uchi Gake, minor inside hook. As he went trapped that foot and went with the fall. @7min. That is an Armbar i think, it puts slight pressure on the elbow, by trapping it against the shoulder. And pulling against the elbow. Easy to get out of but to blend it into a sweep is brilliant. I ave to try it.
At 5:33 that was not a Tai Chi move. It's called a scissor sweep in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. We usually learn this as our first sweep. It works well when the timing is right.
I think the Tai Chi guy emptied his tank try to get the finish at the end of the second round. It looked like he might end it, but the other guy survived to the bell. After that, he was totally gassed. He wanted to punch in the third round, but he just couldn't muster the energy. He still managed to reach a dominant position on the ground to finish the fight. Great effort by both fighters.
That was great! Thanks for sharing. Finally, a young athletic fighter who practices Taiji! The problem I have with most of the matches are the elderly fighting young athletes. On physicality alone, most of these fights were decided before the bell.
He was really just fighting pretty good MMA... but I do agree with your assessment of his "looseness." He was tough and crafty... I think most of his success is just because of him, not Tai Chi.
@hard2hurt How do you run a popular martial arts channel, and you don't know basic tai chi. 90% of the stand-up was tai chi wrestling. This is what we do all day in class.
The Chinese don't need ju jitsu training because all kung fu training has its own grappling techniques. I have studied Chinese Kung Fu before I even started into Japanese martial arts and the Chinese don't get enough credit for their own techniques. Take it from someone who studied MMA way before it became a thing and you were shunned for stepping outside your own art. When he flipped his opponent using an arm grapple flip and roll it came from his Kung Fu grappling training. Not from Japanese Ju Jitsu. I trained in several kung fu styles and they all have their own grappling techniques.
Forhive my spelling, i know someone who practices Tai Chi chen, the actual fighting style. And based on what i see here. Ithink this is what this guy is practicing.
Tai chi chaun is more of a principles based martial art than technique based. That sweep in the second round was using spiralling force. In tai chi we have running thunder hand which is different to chain punching. Could definitely see this guys tai chi training coming through. Great stuff
Not sure what the Chinese characters are, but running thunder hand is basic striking practice for Practical Tai Chi Chuan. In this system striking is equally important to grappling. Notable people to check out would be Cheng Tin Hung and Dan Docherty.
Tai Chi is just starting to get out there, alot of people do it for health but there are groups that know how to actually use it. There will be someone that will surprise the world coming I believe.
Some of us tai chi guys have spent 10~25 years in karate and the effort to keep training and fighting in karate is for young people. We know how to fight but don’t want to…
What do you mean wrist lock? He did a basic scissor sweep, he grabbed his wrist and elbow and used his knee shield to kick him over as he kicked his base out from under him with the other leg there was no wrist lock
Looked like a scissor sweep. The “double need shield” is kinda like what’s called punch block series in Gracie combatives but he was supposed to drop the opponent back into closed guard
I'm really glad to see that Chinese martial arts is proving that they really are effective, 2 Styles I'd be interested in would be tiger Fist and leopard fist, and probably some wrestling for grappling
That elbow thing is something we do in hapkido for grapling we tend to try and get it at the wrist and double arm it for max control but if the flow is right you can do it that way to normal used while standing but I use it from guard
Yooooo this dude is dope! Good for him being serious with using his art style for combat, unlike these other thai chi guys that think they can fight anyone just because they learned the moves
Taiji is the ultimate martial art. Sad it's lost a large amount of the explanation behind the forms, but is a system to use standing up, with Great grappling against strikers and a good wrestling system.
I got an idea for you. Try tai chi! Then you’ll understand that tai chi fighting and tai chi practice is different. It would be like watching a karate guy doing forms then watch him fight and say “I don’t see karate”! Btw taichi push hands is 90% illegal in the cage! So it’s kind of hard to use push hands when everything leads into arm breaks. Which is harder to do with gloves especially since the point is to feel. But tai chi should be able to be used in any art while I know most wannabes think it can’t be used for self defense as they are ignorant to what it is but you can’t even throw a jab without using tai chi principles. You can’t throw a kick, you can’t throw a throw, without doing taichi.
Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I thought Tai Chi was strictly a defensive style and to go on the offensive would be Jeet Kune Do? I say this because there are mostly stationary or withdrawing kata's in TC.
@@reverendfry6088 I'm talking about language, not what it actually is. I've specifically mentioned language twice now. I'm asking if "kata" which is Japanese is also used to describe Chinese forms since that's how you used it.
In Tai chi everything comes from the hips. In the move you go back to see at about 7min looks like to me is he’s doing what’s called a raise to the maiden wrists to trap his arm and than uses his hips to drive his knee into his opponent and pull off the reverse to get back on top.
That's not a tai chi technique. It's a standard scissor sweep. You can tell he was setting his legs up way beforehand, and his opponent was just clueless enough to keep punching without worrying about it (at which point he caught and trapped the arm).
Tai Chi guy flairs his arms because that's the easiest way to get into his internal structure. It helps sinks his body weight from the arms/shoulders downwards. The problem is, you can eat alot of shots if you are not careful.
That wasn't a tai chi sweep, it was seriously a day 2 scissor sweep in BJJ. It was applied very nicely, but it was not a wrist lock, he just slipped the punch, so he could sweep red and red wouldn't have a base.
Honestly? Judging from this fight, only big thing the tai chi guy needs to improve on is head movement and he'd shore up a lot of his weakness. There's only so long you can face tank like Justin Gaetjhe. Outside of that, not bad. Did great during the 1st round, ate way too many possibly avoidable knuckles for the 2nd and 3rd.
You mean he is mma fighter? mma means mixed martial arts like combining different martial arts boxing wrestling and judo etc. He added his tai chi other forms of martial arts.
The cross hands double clinch is from either yang TaiJi, Cheng Man Ching, or Wu? Yang is more striking and wrestling based so their joint locks aren't as good as Zhao Bao TaiJi. That's probably why his submissions weren't "small circle" like wrist or elbow locks. Usually good TaiJi guys switch with footwork and position to realign entry points rather than waiting for attacks with the same stance. His approach seems more like a Wing Chun BJJ adaptation. Either way, moves shouldn't be the goal, principles should be for TaiJi people. Confusing the starting point with the desired result is a common detriment. I was stuck like that for the longest time. Now I'm barely working on it.
Good to see the Tai has learned other things that may help him as a fighter and using them a lot. After all we all start with one style and given time, you add to that to become your own style. :) But the thing he learned best was find a sloppy styled fighter to go against!
Who said Tai Chi is all about wrestling? In my experience it's about blocks, strikes, and some "throws" but no ground game explored. Look at Tai Chi Chuan Yang Style, for example - which I have some experience of - and there's no wrestling. So, what traditional style of Tai Chi includes wrestling? I'd love to know.
tai chi, at least according to commentators, is whatever it needs to be at any particular moment. If a tai chi striker loses, it was because real tai chi is wrestling. If a tai chi wrestler loses, it's because real tai chi is striking. There are tai chi videos where the tai chi guys are using Greco Roman wrestling techniques which some argue are duplicated in tai chi moves, so that's where the idea that tai chi is really just a Chinese version of GR wrestling comes from. As the style is literally called "tai chi fist (chuan)" one presumes it was probably heavily oriented towards striking, if anything at all, but it's entirely possible that, like many traditional striking styles, it included a handful of throws/sweeps as well. A lot of martial arts are essentially the same thing as the Voynich Manuscript. People are handed the Voynich Manuscript, told that it may contain the secrets of existence, and then they spend several lifetimes attempting to decode it. Everyone has a theory on what it really means, or even that it means nothing at all, but no one can actually prove it. Likewise, understanding what tai chi or bagua or numerous other styles is basically just an enigma of unknown value, and because the meaning is so far indecipherable, everyone is free to just assert whatever they want about it. They might just be ritualistic dances (my best guess), or they may be wrestling, or striking, or they may contain the secret to developing chi energy powers or a healthier life, who knows.
Wrestling isn't just groundwork, though. There are several standing styles such as English, Scottish Backhold, and Sumo. One of the more prominent advocates for Tai Chi being wrestling is MMA coach Ramsey Dewey.
Pay attention to the commentators words from :48 too about 2:00. Look at his structure and muscle relaxation and the fact that he wasn't even sweating or breathing hard at the end And the way he fought standup as though he were in a trance. That's tai chi. Forget all this talk about " Oh, he did this technique, it's a blah blah blah technique,not tai chi".
@@elenchus " If a tai chi striker loses, it was because real tai chi is wrestling" What's your point, you mma jocks say the same exact thing. It's No True Scotsman fallacy in both cases. Just admit it, he won without using your system.
Nothing he applied was tai chi. It does look like he trained a bit of MMA. The sweep was a mix of shoulder crunch with scissor sweep. Although he didn’t set it up as a shoulder crunch sweep. His guard was very loose, not in a good way. The “double knee shield” is a move from the Gracie combative punch block series. Overall his BJJ is very rudimentary. To me, he seems like an MMA guy who does some TaiChi, but call himself a taichi practitioner instead 🤷♂️
All you just said was that certain moves are common to multiple systems. You can't say it's "BJJ" just because he used a sweep. We have those in ITF Taekwondo which is definitely not BJJ.
@@rayz6165 We definitely use that move in ITF Taekwondo, and Karate also uses it as do many types of Kung Fu, so it's not exclusive to BJJ, and that was my point. We're done here.
Cant really label tai chi on any guys actually. Similar moves across many schools. It's more about the type of training, as hobbyist, or athlete, or for military.
True hahahaha, must Kung Fu people forget that they should practice head movement if they are going to keep their hands low. Or at least some good distance management
@@robleyusuf2566 cool, but it’s not tai chi …. It’s a hybrid of systems that work, tai chi is not part of it. The problem with the Chinese systems is that, they use magical thinking, chi/ki is a great example, it isn’t real, but most Chinese systems train as if it were. It’s not their fault, magical thinking is part of the Chinese culture, few people take kung/ gung fu seriously and rightfully so. Sure there are new Chinese systems that are more combative, but those are very few and far between let alone being an actual Chinese system. This is not against Chinese people, this is against their magical thinking.
Yeah so taichi guy is still steam rolling forward after the kick to the head and ribs? And all the punches? No damage? You learn to absorb by pushing the energy into the ground! And yes aikido does a lot of what taichi does!
In the beginning of round 3, the arm position he is using, isnt working because its meant to deal with a flurry of punches, and secure a clinch, or an arm lock that can be used to set up an undefended power strike. in this case, he is getting hit, because the arm position functions terribly as a "guard". its got a lot of wide openings that can be hard to close. He is misusing it.
If you like Mr. Li's style (Taxi chi guy), you will also like the following link: ruclips.net/user/liveosNReBmxlcc?feature=share&t=31435. Mr. Ye (in the link) got more mature techniques. Since they are from the same gym, I believe they are learnt from the same coach (or Sifu).
When he goes to his back this is why tai chi can’t work. When he reversed the position in the first round it was just an athletic explosion which had nothing to do with technique, and in the 2nd round he had no technique to be able to get up from the bottom. And that leaves out all of the obvious striking issues on the feet. But a real wrestler would of had him down immediately and would of never lost the mount. And the mma guy was able to get out of the bottom position by threatening with a leg lock which forced the guy to change the position which ended up getting him off of on top
A lot of people here seem impressed by him, but tai chi guy's punches were laughably slow and weak. He landed a bunch of hits to the head and none of them seemed to do anything. Sure he survived and won somehow but against anyone who actually knew how to finish a fight he would get creamed
Update (8/4/23): My friend Terry who's a Jiu Jitsu coach in Taiwan tells me that one of his friends is taking on Li Yuangang the tai chi guy in an MMA fight soon. Hopefully, Terry can make the introduction through his friend. Keep you guys posted on this!
that could be a fun jiujitsu battle
I want to see tiger style kung fu on this channel
Any word on what date this fight will take place?
The way that taiji guy grapples while standing is very taichi looking. The move that he does at 2:57 where he takes his arm under his opponents underhook. presses his opposite arm against their back and lifts upwards on the opponents wrist is a common way to lift an opponent and toss them out of the ring in tai chi competitions.
this is a great example of good taijiquan training applied in a fight. tuishou (taiji sparring) is a relaxed, defensive form of wrestling. notice the "tai chi guy" had no finishing power; he wasnt setting up big strikes or submissions, but he stayed composed and didnt use too much energy and ended the fight in a dominant position [edited for clarity]
That’s silly
@@atheist-karate-guy what is
@@hanu9830 it looks like to me, like you are just making excuses, it either works or it doesn’t…
@@hanu9830 literally nothing he did was any kung/gung fu… he did one basic technique that worked, and ate punches to the face… let’s have a bit of humility here,
@@atheist-karate-guy "it either works or it doesnt"? even a casual mma fan knows this isnt true. does jumping on a guillotine work? sometimes yes, sometimes no. does a spinning capoiera kick to the head work? sometimes yes, sometimes no
This was really interesting. The sweep in round two by taiji guy was sweet.
Tai chi suposedly is not all about wrestling. It has striking aswell. From what I have been taught the ideal range for tai chi is clinching, where you can use your tui shou to set up your strikes, locks or throws if you want to take your oponent down.
I remember this guy, he only needed to add more striking to his repertoire to be much better and he did! This time around He pursued the clinch to apply fa jin striking and lit his oponent up, he didn't attempt to take the fight to the ground as much because he knew that would be playing to his weak side. He only sought ground fighting when he got a clear advantage, like when he mounted or at the third round when he catched the oponent's leg. Very smart.
Regarding that reversal that you repeated in slowmo, i don't know if it was any technique in particular, but it certainly looks like the tui shou training helped him detect where the force and the balance of his oponent was at all times, so I'm guessing he just applied that, combined with any bjj training he may have had.
I'm so glad for him, I hope he keeps at it so you can cover more of his fights!
Second all that
I train at this guy's gym in Taiwan. 武甲is a mma gym. The head coach does do taichi but he also has a mma background. I think he (the head coach) fought under ONE and it's currently a brown belt in jits.
Please don’t stop making fun of Tai Chi guys. This coming from someone that has practiced Tai Chi for more than 10 years and still practice for health.
Keep that way.. fighting is not healthy.. save yourself in the park and living room.. don't market tai chi for combat..
As MMA hobbyist.. i love to spar with aikido and tai chi for fun and laugh.. totally stress relief
My love for tai chi grows with age, mainly because when when im wounded (which is all the time now that im old) its the least painful exercise and the best for healing.
@boyingmachete3255 I mean, u saw this video right? Tai chi has legitimate applications, just isn't practiced by most ppl like that. The mma guy wasn't a slouch either
I think what happens w tai chi, Kung fu etc. They got lost in trasnlation over the centuries. This channel showcases that. There's dudes making these art forms work, it's just rare bc they aren't taught effectively
@@cloudmaster182 its not pure tai chi.. tai chi in what essence?.. what tai chi promotes?.. where was the tai chi move that caused significant damage or defensive move?.. just use it for relaxation at home/park, stop claiming it a fighting style..
What i watched was nothing of tai chi but pure MMA fundamentals.
@boyingmachete3255 ppl have said for a long time that it emphasizes grappling techniques and using an opponents momentum against them, in the video we see that happen multiple times. It originated as a fighting art. It's not that hard for martial arts to become watered down and functionless and that's what happened w these ones. That doesn't mean they have zero practical applications. It seems like a rly simple concept to understand. I practice MMA and outside of some karate, don't rly do too much of these traditional arts, but it makes perfect sense and there's footage all over the internet to back it up.
Even if 99% of practitioners do tend to get their asses beat, there's still that 1% that actually spar and know how to fight while still utilizing their trained techniques and principles. They do exist lmao
But yea, it's not "pure". There's nothing "pure" about an MMA match. There's literally no art that u can rely on solely in MMA for more than maybe a couple matches of catching an opponent off guard. That's kinda the point of MMA
I approve of “traditional mma” as a term.
Taiji guy needs to tighten his guard when he comes to striking. However, he had some great takedowns and decent ground fighting. He needs to work on his striking(it was a bit sloppy). What he did with that reversal was essentially just contracting his body and yielding. It's standard taijiquan, usually done standing up. Haven't seen his other fights, but this was pretty cool. I'm glad to see more of us step in the ring. Salute to him for that.
The moment you mentioned looks like it would be based on the practical implications of the Ward Off or Grasp Sparrow’s Tail movement from the TaiJiQuan form.
I think that's just the basic scissor sweep, the first sweep from guard you learn in jiujitsu. Pretty textbook, he's blocking the leg he's sweeping to, inserting a knee shield to apply some pressure, and capturing the would-be posting arm to prevent a block. It was pretty clean for a real fight, but the other guy was creating a ton of space to work too. You can tell he's probably had some jiujitsu in the way he's constantly moving backwards which reduces or stops stacking. You can also seem him trying to work a basic side control escape at the beginning when he's capturing the other guy's ankle, but that's usually a kesa gatame reversal specifically. You're basically using that hook to try to get your bodies parallel and close to each other (basically you want to destroy that cross-like side control arrangement which creates a ton of leverage), and when the leverage is killed you can bridge and then reverse. If you don't get a hook on the ankle, the opponent will just realign to be perpendicular to you every time you try to close the gap. It failed but I can sort of see what he was trying to do there.
He had pretty decent guard retention too. He's constantly rearranging his guard to prevent stackage. That's why he keeps opening up his guard and inserting knee shields, and it's also why he's letting himself get slid back on the mat (probably the easiest way to avoid stackage). You have to hand it to him, as a jiujitsu beginner he really held it together under pressure.
Coming to comment the same. Sweep at 5:32 was a basic scissor sweep. Props to the tai chi guy though because he is really relaxed and his scissor sweep and mount sweep looked pretty effortless.
@@AOMartialArts he's very patient and cool under pressure. He's got a very active guard, he's mitigating the damage, and he's just waiting for his opportunity. When he sees it, he calmly executes it (the scissor sweep). For someone who's clearly a beginner, his ability to stick to his game plan under that kind of real-world pressure is very impressive.
It's a sweep 'right foot left foot divides' 6:14
@@1easymoney155 At 6:14 it really looks like he’s going for a basic Kimura from guard. That said, just because you’re going for a Kimura from guard doesn’t mean you’re not also trying to sweep, because threatening the Kimura is often a setup for a hip bump sweep or vice versa. Still, it doesn’t seem like he knew about that combination yet, or he felt for some reason that it wasn’t a good option for him.
Can you link a video of the sweep you’re suggesting? I’ve never heard of it.
@@elenchuslook up tai chi left leg seperates
That Tai Chi practicer is looking more beast in there, even the MMA fighter look impress by his opponent. And here I thought Tai Chi is all about relaxation and emotional control. That Tai Chi is a fighter. 👏👏👏👏👏
He even pull him up after the round 😂
real martial arts is about spirituality and intellect, yes. That doesn't mean you can't fight.
The sweep in round two is literally a scissor sweep. Day 1 stuff in bjj
Pretty much everybody uses that sweep, it is not unique to BJJ. Next you're going to say front kicks are BJJ
@@neutrino78x lmfao wrestlers don’t really do it, judokas don’t really do it. But you expect me to believe tai chi (the “martial art” that’s less violent and is less practical in self defense than bingo) can up with a scissor sweep 💀
@@bvgshouldbecoach
" lmfao wrestlers don’t really do it, judokas don’t really do it"
Wrestlers don't sweep? News to me. If you're standing, and you're trying to grapple on the ground, a sweep is one of the easiest ways to do it.
"But you expect me to believe tai chi (the “martial art” that’s less violent and is less practical in self defense than bingo)"
I see, and what is your experience with Tai Chi? How long have you studied it?
I haven't studied it at all -- I did ITF Taekwondo -- but I'm not the one claiming it's not useful as if I had a lot of knowledge of it.
@@neutrino78x a fxcking scissor sweep? You mean to tell me wrestlers go to close guard and scissor sweep? Do you even know what a scissor sweep is? Have you ever trained? I’m not talking about a standing foot sweep which both of those arts do. Or a reversal for wrestling… judo might do but there emphasis is mainly throws and ippons. Very limited on the ground compared to bjj and wrestling.
I’ve done 3 years wrestling, 12 years bjj and counting (and I coach both gi and no gi). 5 years of freestyle MMA (boxing, kickboxing/ Muay Thai, wrestling, Judo, and bjj). I mainly emphasized on boxing and wrestling, judo, and bjj.
Didn’t know they had scissor sweep in TKD… thought it was all kicks. Do my a favor and look up “scissor sweep bjj”. Then comment.
@@bvgshouldbecoach
"You mean to tell me wrestlers go to close guard and scissor sweep?"
I'm telling you pretty much everybody has some form of that.
Look up this video title "Spinning kick, scissor sweep.", from user "Eureka Taekwondo".
By your logic, if the system I practice includes hand strikes, it can only western boxing.
But hand strikes are included in pretty much everything....Kung Fu, Karate, Taekwondo, Muay Thai, etc.
7:41
The "looseness" (松）IS a defining trait of Taiji.
That's what allowed "Taiji guy" to "eat a lot of shots" and still be fine.
Also what allowed him to reverse a ground fight in ways you didn't expect.
You don't have to look for a "standard Taiji move" to tell if someone is making effective use of his Taiji training.
If he's simultaneously more loose (i.e. yin) than the opponent yet manages to assert an advantageous position (i.e. yang),
that IS Taiji: yin & yang blended.
Imagine he use Fajin 😊
Good analysis on this fight Jerry! Would definitely looking forward to more. Hope you get the interview with the tai chi guy.
I hope so too
What are you taking about??? He can't even identify an inside trip or a basic bjj guard sweep.
Tai chi is 90% get in close, wrestle, and throw the opponent. All of the silk reeling and waist movement in the forms are for wrestling. Yanking, pushing, and throwing the opponent. And relaxed body movements to make the opponent push through you, and fall over, so you can throw him more easily. It's all done close while clinching with the opponent.
I honestly want to see real tai chi vs fale tai chi to see what's the difference also tai chi guy was lighting this muay Thai guy up
That would be awesome!
@@FightCommentary love the videos your videos really help spice up training
With Tai Chi guys arms being so high, you'd think a round kick to the ribs would be in order.
it can be bait as well as muaythai had high guard open sometime😂
Good job, Tai Chi guy!
Tai chi was bating the MMA guy to get close😮
3.55 You're right Jerry, that was a ko-uchi gari.✅ 6.55 just look like a standard BJJ scissor sweep.
That position change, where the Tai Chi guy turned on the MMA guy on the ground. That is what Tai Chi is good at, guiding the incoming force (MMA guy used ground & pound) around and move the other person to the ground or away. He used it on the ground and gained a position change instead. FREAKING BEAUTIFUL!! RESEPCT!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Really? I saw a very basic, beginner level sweep….. anyone doing bjj for 6 months could do the same……. Seems to me, some here are “impressed”, not because of technique, but just to show national pride..it’s cool, but it’s obvious.
@@atheist-karate-guy the guy in blue is a Tai Chi practitioner, not a BJJ practitioner. And they are both Chinese, so it isn't about national pride.
@@davidcdun8896 what I’m saying is, he obviously learned a bit of bjj, it wasn’t “kung/gung fu. The national pride is in their system of kung fu…not the people… for some reason, the times someone says something positive about the effectiveness of the Chinese systems, it’s only the Chinese people, people that are trained in the martial arts that have no biases normally see it my way.
@@davidcdun8896 a HS wrestler from just about any school in the us could destroy most kung fu “masters”, this is reality, there are exceptions to the rule like Sanda, but that’s a very new sport, it’s not a traditional system, made up in the 20’s.
@@davidcdun8896 he's ostensibly tai chi and BJJ. The sweep is a very conventional BJJ sweep that all white belts learn. Props to him though on a clean execution, and the scissor sweep can be harder in no gi without the grips.
3:53 looked like an o uchi gake from judo.
Taichi guy has pretty good fight IQ. I think he would be a better fighter if he switched his stand up to boxing or something. He ate lots of stiff jabs when he didn't need to
I agree, but I think he has good jiujitsu potential
It looks like Tai Chi guy is redirecting the shots into the floor. I know it sounds like woo woo, but it's a real thing. Notice how he bounced off the shots and he moved his head with the punches. They didn't seem to damage him. Maybe it's a strategy to make the other guy wear himself out throwing ineffective shots, like some sort of Tai Chi Terminator.
it's a basic jiujitsu guard for MMA. you're constantly moving your head to dodge shots and "swimming" up through their arms to parry shots and seek grips or set up submissions. It'd be better if he could use that to get an overhook (wrap around one of his arms) and then he could start to work an offensive guard, although in fairness he was able to get a clean sweep to mount which is all you really need in guard anyway.
It's all like old school Gracie stuff.
@@elenchusit's done in most fighting styles tho.
Many boxing gyms teach how to do it, most Kung Fu styles also did. Some Filipino martial arts also do
@@jestfullgremblim8002 I guess I need some clarification; I read “redirecting shots into the floor” as referring to being in the guard and dodging ground and pound shots, but if he’s speaking in some more esoteric sense of standing and exchanging shots and somehow sending them to the “floor,” then I’ve got no idea.
@@elenchus His guard while standing was tai chi not iui jitsu.
@@elenchus It's only "esoteric" in the sense that, for some reason, most people don't make this principle a training goal.
but actually the concept is quite mundane in terms of the physics involved.
The basic idea is to meet the opponent's attack with just the right level of resistance and alignment, so that the force of the attack is totally dissipated. i.e. the attack seems to connect but doesn't affect you as much as the opponent expected.
"redirecting the shots to the floor" just means that the force passes through you (and usually into the ground) without harming your structure, like an earth wire redirecting a lightning strike into the ground.
( Balance is key. If you're too stiff, you get jarred by the attack. If you're too limp or not aligned well, you collapse. If you dodge, you give ground to the opponent (if the latter's very persistent). )
When done right, you can indeed "swim through" the opponent's attacks and take him/her down.
In fact, this balance of softness and assertiveness is THE defining ideal of Taiji.
At least, this was what Taiji was originally developed for.
Compared to that, the shape of the "moves" doesn't actually matter.
(unfortunately, even a lot of "Taiji students" aren't aware of this,
because it's indeed much easier to show and teach the shape of the "moves" than to train the subtle control of force and alignment. the end result is that a lot of what gets labelled as "Taiji" nowadays is just "Taiji" in form but not substance.)
If it doesn't sound very special to you, keep in mind that Taiji was developed a few centuries ago,
long before "jiujutsu for MMA" as you know it was a thing.
Good on Tai Chi guy for continuing his process. Things don't happen overnight.
BTW, has the content creator of this channel ever fought, or is he just a super fan?
Rd 2 ending Looks like a scissor sweep I learned on the Gracie Jiu Jitsu street defense video series
If you look from 6:00 to 6:10 you see some tai chi chi sau type stuff, as the tai chi guy maneuvers around his opponents arms to deliver ground strikes.
5:34 if you really want to say it's taichi, it's just using opponent's momentum (that forward punch movement from the red guy's left fist, and then grapple it) and then pivoting of the core muscles (pretend the taichi guy is the door hinge that just rotates).. i think bjj and other martial arts teach that too..
there is no fixed style, it's just how the martial artist perceived their own style and apply as they see fit.
@4:00 ish. On second look it would be a Ko uchi Gake, minor inside hook. As he went trapped that foot and went with the fall.
@7min. That is an Armbar i think, it puts slight pressure on the elbow, by trapping it against the shoulder. And pulling against the elbow. Easy to get out of but to blend it into a sweep is brilliant. I ave to try it.
At 5:33 that was not a Tai Chi move. It's called a scissor sweep in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. We usually learn this as our first sweep. It works well when the timing is right.
I think the Tai Chi guy emptied his tank try to get the finish at the end of the second round. It looked like he might end it, but the other guy survived to the bell. After that, he was totally gassed. He wanted to punch in the third round, but he just couldn't muster the energy. He still managed to reach a dominant position on the ground to finish the fight. Great effort by both fighters.
That was great! Thanks for sharing. Finally, a young athletic fighter who practices Taiji! The problem I have with most of the matches are the elderly fighting young athletes. On physicality alone, most of these fights were decided before the bell.
He’s back soon. So stay tuned!
Tai Chi guy does very basic bjj scissor sweep...
Commentary: "oh my god that was great...i think that was a tai chi technique guys"
🤦♂
He was really just fighting pretty good MMA... but I do agree with your assessment of his "looseness." He was tough and crafty... I think most of his success is just because of him, not Tai Chi.
Probably! I’ll hopefully interview him. Gonna reach out to Terry to see if he can connect me. Keep you posted! Good hearing from you!
@hard2hurt How do you run a popular martial arts channel, and you don't know basic tai chi. 90% of the stand-up was tai chi wrestling. This is what we do all day in class.
Good judges. Correct call.
A tai chi guy that didnt get ko'd in 10 seconds.... and even won. Thats a first
The Chinese don't need ju jitsu training because all kung fu training has its own grappling techniques. I have studied Chinese Kung Fu before I even started into Japanese martial arts and the Chinese don't get enough credit for their own techniques. Take it from someone who studied MMA way before it became a thing and you were shunned for stepping outside your own art. When he flipped his opponent using an arm grapple flip and roll it came from his Kung Fu grappling training. Not from Japanese Ju Jitsu. I trained in several kung fu styles and they all have their own grappling techniques.
Forhive my spelling, i know someone who practices Tai Chi chen, the actual fighting style. And based on what i see here. Ithink this is what this guy is practicing.
Hory s**t he snatched that arm fast.
Tai chi chaun is more of a principles based martial art than technique based. That sweep in the second round was using spiralling force.
In tai chi we have running thunder hand which is different to chain punching.
Could definitely see this guys tai chi training coming through. Great stuff
Whats the chinese characters for “running thunder”? I’ll take a look.
@@FightCommentary I’m afraid I can’t help you with the characters. If you search Chen ting hung, I’m sure you’ll find the information you need
Not sure what the Chinese characters are, but running thunder hand is basic striking practice for Practical Tai Chi Chuan. In this system striking is equally important to grappling. Notable people to check out would be Cheng Tin Hung and Dan Docherty.
Tai Chi is just starting to get out there, alot of people do it for health but there are groups that know how to actually use it. There will be someone that will surprise the world coming I believe.
Some of us tai chi guys have spent 10~25 years in karate and the effort to keep training and fighting in karate is for young people. We know how to fight but don’t want to…
What do you mean wrist lock? He did a basic scissor sweep, he grabbed his wrist and elbow and used his knee shield to kick him over as he kicked his base out from under him with the other leg there was no wrist lock
Tai chi guy wasn’t even breathing in the end, how’s he training?
You noticed that real point.
Think the weird ass hand moves were about getting into wrestling range. Set him up for his weird ass but decently effective grappling.
Looked like a scissor sweep.
The “double need shield” is kinda like what’s called punch block series in Gracie combatives but he was supposed to drop the opponent back into closed guard
I'm really glad to see that Chinese martial arts is proving that they really are effective, 2 Styles I'd be interested in would be tiger Fist and leopard fist, and probably some wrestling for grappling
That elbow thing is something we do in hapkido for grapling we tend to try and get it at the wrist and double arm it for max control but if the flow is right you can do it that way to normal used while standing but I use it from guard
Our karate uses that knee flip :)
Yooooo this dude is dope! Good for him being serious with using his art style for combat, unlike these other thai chi guys that think they can fight anyone just because they learned the moves
That wrist lock almost looked like an Akiddo move Steven Seagal used in his movies.
Taiji is the ultimate martial art. Sad it's lost a large amount of the explanation behind the forms, but is a system to use standing up, with Great grappling against strikers and a good wrestling system.
Not into sound deadening, I just need you pacing the room so I get some stereo effect.
I got an idea for you. Try tai chi! Then you’ll understand that tai chi fighting and tai chi practice is different. It would be like watching a karate guy doing forms then watch him fight and say “I don’t see karate”! Btw taichi push hands is 90% illegal in the cage! So it’s kind of hard to use push hands when everything leads into arm breaks. Which is harder to do with gloves especially since the point is to feel. But tai chi should be able to be used in any art while I know most wannabes think it can’t be used for self defense as they are ignorant to what it is but you can’t even throw a jab without using tai chi principles. You can’t throw a kick, you can’t throw a throw, without doing taichi.
Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I thought Tai Chi was strictly a defensive style and to go on the offensive would be Jeet Kune Do? I say this because there are mostly stationary or withdrawing kata's in TC.
Not "kata" that's Japanese.
@@AniWho268 I am using it generically, instead of the correct Chinese character.
@@reverendfry6088 "Kata" is used generically? Even though it's from a different language?
@@AniWho268 Sure, you knew it meant martial exercises for muscle memory and conditioning.
@@reverendfry6088 I'm talking about language, not what it actually is. I've specifically mentioned language twice now. I'm asking if "kata" which is Japanese is also used to describe Chinese forms since that's how you used it.
In Tai chi everything comes from the hips. In the move you go back to see at about 7min looks like to me is he’s doing what’s called a raise to the maiden wrists to trap his arm and than uses his hips to drive his knee into his opponent and pull off the reverse to get back on top.
6:55 its like a butterfly sweep
That's not a tai chi technique. It's a standard scissor sweep. You can tell he was setting his legs up way beforehand, and his opponent was just clueless enough to keep punching without worrying about it (at which point he caught and trapped the arm).
Tai Chi guy flairs his arms because that's the easiest way to get into his internal structure. It helps sinks his body weight from the arms/shoulders downwards. The problem is, you can eat alot of shots if you are not careful.
How he get the arm 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
The sweep at 5:33 was a BJJ sweep called: Scissors Sweep. Nothing Tai Chi
So if I do a hand strike, does that mean I'm doing western boxing instead of ITF Taekwondo?
It looks like a butterfly guard sweep
That wasn't a tai chi sweep, it was seriously a day 2 scissor sweep in BJJ. It was applied very nicely, but it was not a wrist lock, he just slipped the punch, so he could sweep red and red wouldn't have a base.
Very close match. It could have gone either way. TC guy is tricky. That probably impressed the judges enough --- it certainly impressed me.
Tai shi or not, this guy has flawless groung wrestling techniques.
Honestly? Judging from this fight, only big thing the tai chi guy needs to improve on is head movement and he'd shore up a lot of his weakness. There's only so long you can face tank like Justin Gaetjhe. Outside of that, not bad. Did great during the 1st round, ate way too many possibly avoidable knuckles for the 2nd and 3rd.
He’s made so many improvements since last time we featured him. Really excited to see how he can incorporate head movement into his tai chi practice!
The taichi guy is interesting
nice fight
It looks like tai chi guy may have a bit of training in another style like shuai jaio, or maybe shootwrestling.
You mean he is mma fighter? mma means mixed martial arts like combining different martial arts boxing wrestling and judo etc. He added his tai chi other forms of martial arts.
The cross hands double clinch is from either yang TaiJi, Cheng Man Ching, or Wu? Yang is more striking and wrestling based so their joint locks aren't as good as Zhao Bao TaiJi. That's probably why his submissions weren't "small circle" like wrist or elbow locks. Usually good TaiJi guys switch with footwork and position to realign entry points rather than waiting for attacks with the same stance. His approach seems more like a Wing Chun BJJ adaptation. Either way, moves shouldn't be the goal, principles should be for TaiJi people. Confusing the starting point with the desired result is a common detriment. I was stuck like that for the longest time. Now I'm barely working on it.
Good to see the Tai has learned other things that may help him as a fighter and using them a lot. After all we all start with one style and given time, you add to that to become your own style. :)
But the thing he learned best was find a sloppy styled fighter to go against!
Who said Tai Chi is all about wrestling? In my experience it's about blocks, strikes, and some "throws" but no ground game explored. Look at Tai Chi Chuan Yang Style, for example - which I have some experience of - and there's no wrestling. So, what traditional style of Tai Chi includes wrestling? I'd love to know.
tai chi, at least according to commentators, is whatever it needs to be at any particular moment. If a tai chi striker loses, it was because real tai chi is wrestling. If a tai chi wrestler loses, it's because real tai chi is striking. There are tai chi videos where the tai chi guys are using Greco Roman wrestling techniques which some argue are duplicated in tai chi moves, so that's where the idea that tai chi is really just a Chinese version of GR wrestling comes from. As the style is literally called "tai chi fist (chuan)" one presumes it was probably heavily oriented towards striking, if anything at all, but it's entirely possible that, like many traditional striking styles, it included a handful of throws/sweeps as well.
A lot of martial arts are essentially the same thing as the Voynich Manuscript. People are handed the Voynich Manuscript, told that it may contain the secrets of existence, and then they spend several lifetimes attempting to decode it. Everyone has a theory on what it really means, or even that it means nothing at all, but no one can actually prove it. Likewise, understanding what tai chi or bagua or numerous other styles is basically just an enigma of unknown value, and because the meaning is so far indecipherable, everyone is free to just assert whatever they want about it. They might just be ritualistic dances (my best guess), or they may be wrestling, or striking, or they may contain the secret to developing chi energy powers or a healthier life, who knows.
Wrestling isn't just groundwork, though. There are several standing styles such as English, Scottish Backhold, and Sumo. One of the more prominent advocates for Tai Chi being wrestling is MMA coach Ramsey Dewey.
Pay attention to the commentators words from :48 too about 2:00. Look at his structure and muscle relaxation and the fact that he wasn't even sweating or breathing hard at the end And the way he fought standup as though he were in a trance. That's tai chi. Forget all this talk about " Oh, he did this technique, it's a blah blah blah technique,not tai chi".
@@elenchus
" If a tai chi striker loses, it was because real tai chi is wrestling"
What's your point, you mma jocks say the same exact thing. It's No True Scotsman fallacy in both cases.
Just admit it, he won without using your system.
Nothing he applied was tai chi. It does look like he trained a bit of MMA. The sweep was a mix of shoulder crunch with scissor sweep. Although he didn’t set it up as a shoulder crunch sweep. His guard was very loose, not in a good way. The “double knee shield” is a move from the Gracie combative punch block series. Overall his BJJ is very rudimentary. To me, he seems like an MMA guy who does some TaiChi, but call himself a taichi practitioner instead 🤷♂️
All you just said was that certain moves are common to multiple systems. You can't say it's "BJJ" just because he used a sweep. We have those in ITF Taekwondo which is definitely not BJJ.
O uchi gari. Major inside reap.
I am seeing BJJ self defense moves from Gracie University from Tai Chi Guy
5:34 i think it is '手提枇杷' but i am not a very Taichi guy
Tbf I would give it to Tai Chi guy. I have no idea if any Tai Chi was used though as I have no experience in it.
Basic fundamental sweep called the scissor sweep from in BJJ. It's not a tai chi move.
Nope, it's a tai chi move. Just happens to be one that's in other systems.
We use it in ITF Taekwondo, which is definitely NOT BJJ.
@@neutrino78x Can you show me how it's a tai chi move? I couldn't find it.
@@rayz6165 We definitely use that move in ITF Taekwondo, and Karate also uses it as do many types of Kung Fu, so it's not exclusive to BJJ, and that was my point. We're done here.
Are we not talking about the weight discrepancy??
😄 Aki megértette a Tai Chi lényegét az el sem megy egy ilyen mérkőzésre.😏👎
Notice he stopped using tai chi as soon as the fight started..?
Cant really label tai chi on any guys actually. Similar moves across many schools. It's more about the type of training, as hobbyist, or athlete, or for military.
The tai chi guy is a master of the face-block
Good chin
@@robleyusuf2566 that’s not a good thing
True hahahaha, must Kung Fu people forget that they should practice head movement if they are going to keep their hands low. Or at least some good distance management
@@atheist-karate-guy that is mma mixed martial arts. mma is a hybrid.
@@robleyusuf2566 cool, but it’s not tai chi …. It’s a hybrid of systems that work, tai chi is not part of it. The problem with the Chinese systems is that, they use magical thinking, chi/ki is a great example, it isn’t real, but most Chinese systems train as if it were. It’s not their fault, magical thinking is part of the Chinese culture, few people take kung/ gung fu seriously and rightfully so. Sure there are new Chinese systems that are more combative, but those are very few and far between let alone being an actual Chinese system. This is not against Chinese people, this is against their magical thinking.
It call Qinna in Taichi
Yeah so taichi guy is still steam rolling forward after the kick to the head and ribs? And all the punches? No damage? You learn to absorb by pushing the energy into the ground! And yes aikido does a lot of what taichi does!
Bro, don't chew gum when commenting.
That’s just an mma guy that does tai chi 😅
so.....in other words...a tai chi guy.
In the beginning of round 3, the arm position he is using, isnt working because its meant to deal with a flurry of punches, and secure a clinch, or an arm lock that can be used to set up an undefended power strike.
in this case, he is getting hit, because the arm position functions terribly as a "guard". its got a lot of wide openings that can be hard to close. He is misusing it.
If you like Mr. Li's style (Taxi chi guy), you will also like the following link: ruclips.net/user/liveosNReBmxlcc?feature=share&t=31435.
Mr. Ye (in the link) got more mature techniques. Since they are from the same gym, I believe they are learnt from the same coach (or Sifu).
And as usual there is zero Taiji in this video.
When he goes to his back this is why tai chi can’t work. When he reversed the position in the first round it was just an athletic explosion which had nothing to do with technique, and in the 2nd round he had no technique to be able to get up from the bottom. And that leaves out all of the obvious striking issues on the feet. But a real wrestler would of had him down immediately and would of never lost the mount. And the mma guy was able to get out of the bottom position by threatening with a leg lock which forced the guy to change the position which ended up getting him off of on top
Know the difference park tai chi and combat tai chi iron is silk not just silk
Iron in silk not just silk*😊
A lot of people here seem impressed by him, but tai chi guy's punches were laughably slow and weak. He landed a bunch of hits to the head and none of them seemed to do anything. Sure he survived and won somehow but against anyone who actually knew how to finish a fight he would get creamed
The Tai Chi guy's stand-up blocking was garbage. His ground game was solid though.
Fight like a MMA guy, and call it Tai Chi 😂😂😂😂😂
Iv never seen a mma fighter use wavey hands before lol
His reversal wasn’t tai chi lol
Muay Thai fighter disappointed me. If there would be Saenchai, the story would be totally different for Tai Chi guy.
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I though the red shirt guy inflict more hit points . Dont know y the blck shirt guy win