I love the pioneer, another win for Honda on practicality, with the compact size giving you a crew or a two seat with bed. Other crew machines are too large, and hard to justify their small beds when you are working and are the only passenger. Honda gave a Swiss Army Knife. Not the best at everything/anything, but the best machine for 90% of use cases. Plus a very competitive price point.
I rip around in my pioneer 1000-5 daily around the ranch & fortunate enough to have one of the most epic trails near our ranch. 80 miles round trip. I love my pioneer. A talon r is next years goal
I live in western Arizona,where rats are king ,but I bought a pioneer and everywhere I go people are asking me about it.I’ve had it for five years now it’s a 2018 ,now I’ve noticed several of them in town when before there was none
I have had multiple RZRs and really enjoyed them. They are more sporty than the Honda Pioneer but now that I have a Pioneer 1000 I sold all my RZRs and ride a bit slower. It got tiring always keeping up with the RZR breakdowns and up keep. I just get in the Pioneer and ride and never have to fix anything like I constantly did with the RZRs.
Like I've told everyone, you what performance in an ATV or SxS, it's the same as having a muscle car you take to the track. Play hard, pay hard. It's not that a Honda is more reliable, it's that youre driving it within it's engineered mechanical limits. If you beat the tar out of a pioneer, it'll need repairs too.
@@stevejones6802 actually, every Honda owner I know that trail rides has bad wheel bearing quickly. Actually, 3 owners I know all with 2018 and newer which covers 2 models ALL have transmission issues. Of the three, 2 have been in the shop multiple times with no solutions, the third had it in the shop 13x and I Ly after a dozen replacement parts, riding with a co.puter module to analyze the riding, and 13,000kms+ did they finally replace the ATV. So no, they aren't reliable. Maybe really old ones are. But the odds of three people all having the same issue tells me they actually aren't more reliable. If the 8 KQ 750 owners I know, plus I've owned one, none have had a single issue. I have a 2017 AC, no issues, and if the 2 Polaris 850's I've owned/own, the only issue was the starters on both. Both dies just out of warranty, both oddly were replaced with a better designed one. Which begs the question, why not just use the good one in the first place lol
@@stevejones6802 and 3 old guys using them on a farm must mean they are reliable. Lol The 3 are 2018 and newer, all have the same major issue with the transmission. All 3 had bad bearings in the first 1.5 years. Even my Polaris doesn't have worn bearings yet and they're known for it and I ride in rougher terrain than the 3 with Honda's. One is female and 65+, rides a lot. The other two, one is late 40's, rides a few times per year and only on nice trails and fire roads and washes it after every ride. The third is also older and rides a few times per year. To be in a rural area and all three have a major issue is statistically difficult to say it's just bad luck. It's easier to say that Honda's reliability is no more a thing. However, I have yet to see anyone with a 750 KQ have issues. And around here, KQ's are as popular as Can-Am's.
Yeah i agree man 5 seats if you need them and it doesn't have to be a mile long.. i keep trying to talk my sister into me and her trading our quads for a pioneer but all she cares about is looks and "coolness" she want s a razer i told her its stupid only a 2 seater at least with 2 quads you can have 4 people.. then sh says we can just get a 4 seat model.. yeah and then a new trailer and then cant go down half the trails we go down.not to mention its like 40k vs 23k for the 100-5
Nice job Alex! I hope you can get one of those out at Tumbleweed Ranch, if not both. That would be a killer 3-way comparison: work, hunting, and sporty.
The FOX Shocks are the reason to buy the TRAIL. Everything else is fluff. Remove the rear sway bar and it will ride and handle even better. My 2016 is getting a set of Fox Shocks ASAP. Many incremental changes from the 2016-2021 models, many of these changes are not apparent. Cooling system upgrades, revised frame, revised PCM tuning, revised gearing in reverse and main transmission, more heat isolation, just to mention a few. The Pioneer is a very good unit, my 2016 is tough as nails and the 2022 is even better.
That automatic 4wd lock is stupid to me.. seems something the basic one would have, i rather have a locker that i engage myself it seems more logically "hey theres a mud hole let me lock the diffs" or "oh hey im in a mudhole already stuck lets see if the diff will come on" 😂
My dad has the pioneer 1000 5 seater. It goes great everywhere and I like that they have no belts. Be warned though they have issues with their low range popping out of gear after they get a little time on them. My dads has currently 1400 miles on it and yesterday we actually had to adjust it again. If you look into it, it’s a common issue. However that buggy goes everywhere as long as you don’t high center and it is great for yard/farm work
I’ve had them all the pioneer was by far the best. Only downside, no good door and glass option. Ex ended up with the pioneer now have a ranger with a nice full doors and glass cab.
Seems to me Honda really did pioneer this field in the start with the Odyssey. As much as I like the Mule, I am really curious how the SxS stacks up to it. Looking forward to the compare. Thanks Alex. 🙂
I don't know if its just the camera view but both versions look like a really rough ride. I find its weird that Honda uses the same V twin motor in their Africa twin bike (which I have) for their side by sides as well. In the bike that motor is perfect, but I would think it would be a bit under powered for a heavier side by side?
Not a "V-Twin" the engine is a parallel twin. Two cylinders side by side. The Africa Twin makes a little over 100 horsepower, the PIONEER about 75. This engine is tuned for reliability and low RPM grunt. They can be modified and tuned to exceed even the 100 horses of the Africa Twin.
What a silly premise for a title. Of course you can have fun on a trail with a utility-first side by side. All you need to do to tell is go out to any mud park or event and you'll see hundreds of utility-first side by sides out there and everyone with a smile on their face.
@@Ghazlett24 I ended up buying the pioneer because it's great for our dogs our dogs control us LOL! Didn't need a big 4 seater so I like the full roll bar for the dogs
@Dan Harris If it wasn't for the Jokers I ride with I probably would have gone with the Honda, but I gotta keep up a good pace and the Rmax suspension allows me to do that. Lol!
I love the pioneer, another win for Honda on practicality, with the compact size giving you a crew or a two seat with bed. Other crew machines are too large, and hard to justify their small beds when you are working and are the only passenger. Honda gave a Swiss Army Knife. Not the best at everything/anything, but the best machine for 90% of use cases. Plus a very competitive price point.
I rip around in my pioneer 1000-5 daily around the ranch & fortunate enough to have one of the most epic trails near our ranch. 80 miles round trip. I love my pioneer. A talon r is next years goal
Wow Honda had everyone out there this time, glad Honda recognized your off road Chan el!
I live in western Arizona,where rats are king ,but I bought a pioneer and everywhere I go people are asking me about it.I’ve had it for five years now it’s a 2018 ,now I’ve noticed several of them in town when before there was none
I have had multiple RZRs and really enjoyed them. They are more sporty than the Honda Pioneer but now that I have a Pioneer 1000 I sold all my RZRs and ride a bit slower. It got tiring always keeping up with the RZR breakdowns and up keep. I just get in the Pioneer and ride and never have to fix anything like I constantly did with the RZRs.
Like I've told everyone, you what performance in an ATV or SxS, it's the same as having a muscle car you take to the track. Play hard, pay hard.
It's not that a Honda is more reliable, it's that youre driving it within it's engineered mechanical limits.
If you beat the tar out of a pioneer, it'll need repairs too.
Actually, statistically speaking, the Honda IS more reliable.
@@stevejones6802 actually, every Honda owner I know that trail rides has bad wheel bearing quickly.
Actually, 3 owners I know all with 2018 and newer which covers 2 models ALL have transmission issues. Of the three, 2 have been in the shop multiple times with no solutions, the third had it in the shop 13x and I Ly after a dozen replacement parts, riding with a co.puter module to analyze the riding, and 13,000kms+ did they finally replace the ATV.
So no, they aren't reliable. Maybe really old ones are. But the odds of three people all having the same issue tells me they actually aren't more reliable.
If the 8 KQ 750 owners I know, plus I've owned one, none have had a single issue.
I have a 2017 AC, no issues, and if the 2 Polaris 850's I've owned/own, the only issue was the starters on both. Both dies just out of warranty, both oddly were replaced with a better designed one. Which begs the question, why not just use the good one in the first place lol
@@EC_ATV_Outdoors You're right. 3 examples must mean that all Honda's are no longer reliable. My bad.
@@stevejones6802 and 3 old guys using them on a farm must mean they are reliable. Lol
The 3 are 2018 and newer, all have the same major issue with the transmission. All 3 had bad bearings in the first 1.5 years. Even my Polaris doesn't have worn bearings yet and they're known for it and I ride in rougher terrain than the 3 with Honda's. One is female and 65+, rides a lot. The other two, one is late 40's, rides a few times per year and only on nice trails and fire roads and washes it after every ride. The third is also older and rides a few times per year.
To be in a rural area and all three have a major issue is statistically difficult to say it's just bad luck. It's easier to say that Honda's reliability is no more a thing.
However, I have yet to see anyone with a 750 KQ have issues. And around here, KQ's are as popular as Can-Am's.
I love the compact size with extra seating. When I buy a sxs this is going to be the one.
Yeah i agree man 5 seats if you need them and it doesn't have to be a mile long.. i keep trying to talk my sister into me and her trading our quads for a pioneer but all she cares about is looks and "coolness" she want s a razer i told her its stupid only a 2 seater at least with 2 quads you can have 4 people.. then sh says we can just get a 4 seat model.. yeah and then a new trailer and then cant go down half the trails we go down.not to mention its like 40k vs 23k for the 100-5
Nice job Alex! I hope you can get one of those out at Tumbleweed Ranch, if not both. That would be a killer 3-way comparison: work, hunting, and sporty.
The FOX Shocks are the reason to buy the TRAIL. Everything else is fluff. Remove the rear sway bar and it will ride and handle even better. My 2016 is getting a set of Fox Shocks ASAP. Many incremental changes from the 2016-2021 models, many of these changes are not apparent. Cooling system upgrades, revised frame, revised PCM tuning, revised gearing in reverse and main transmission, more heat isolation, just to mention a few. The Pioneer is a very good unit, my 2016 is tough as nails and the 2022 is even better.
My only complaint with my pioneer is that there is no factory cab option. Love the compact size with the versatility of 5 seats or a large bed.
Only way to go if you need to work and play.
That automatic 4wd lock is stupid to me.. seems something the basic one would have, i rather have a locker that i engage myself it seems more logically "hey theres a mud hole let me lock the diffs" or "oh hey im in a mudhole already stuck lets see if the diff will come on" 😂
This was a crazy video
Technical trail aswell
My dad has the pioneer 1000 5 seater. It goes great everywhere and I like that they have no belts. Be warned though they have issues with their low range popping out of gear after they get a little time on them. My dads has currently 1400 miles on it and yesterday we actually had to adjust it again. If you look into it, it’s a common issue. However that buggy goes everywhere as long as you don’t high center and it is great for yard/farm work
Great review. I can't wait for the comparison with the Mule at Tumbleweed.
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If the two rear seats are folded down, then you're in a three seat configuration 🤗.
Thank you for sharing.
I wished Honda offered more sporty seats like the Yamaha Rmas has
"wHaT's GoInG oN gUyS"
Nice review Alex
Great models. Would come in handy at my place. 8 acres
I’ve had them all the pioneer was by far the best. Only downside, no good door and glass option. Ex ended up with the pioneer now have a ranger with a nice full doors and glass cab.
Niceee video, thanks
Seems to me Honda really did pioneer this field in the start with the Odyssey. As much as I like the Mule, I am really curious how the SxS stacks up to it. Looking forward to the compare. Thanks Alex. 🙂
I don't know if its just the camera view but both versions look like a really rough ride.
I find its weird that Honda uses the same V twin motor in their Africa twin bike (which I have) for their side by sides as well. In the bike that motor is perfect, but I would think it would be a bit under powered for a heavier side by side?
Not a "V-Twin" the engine is a parallel twin. Two cylinders side by side. The Africa Twin makes a little over 100 horsepower, the PIONEER about 75. This engine is tuned for reliability and low RPM grunt. They can be modified and tuned to exceed even the 100 horses of the Africa Twin.
I’m going with CFMoto for all my all terrain vehicles. Oh, and the 300ss too. I live in Central Michigan. Trails everywhere.
What a silly premise for a title. Of course you can have fun on a trail with a utility-first side by side. All you need to do to tell is go out to any mud park or event and you'll see hundreds of utility-first side by sides out there and everyone with a smile on their face.
Might as well buy a Jeep Wrangler for those prices.
What gps is that
In your opinion. How does the Trail suspension compare to to the RMAX?
Not even close to totally different machines a lot more travel with the rmax plus it's wider!
@Dan Harris Thank you! I bought the Rmax Sport. I really liked the transmission on the Honda, but I ended up buying the Rmax for the suspension.
@@Ghazlett24 I ended up buying the pioneer because it's great for our dogs our dogs control us LOL! Didn't need a big 4 seater so I like the full roll bar for the dogs
@@Ghazlett24 trust me I really wanted the rmax but I've had trouble with belt drive before.
@Dan Harris If it wasn't for the Jokers I ride with I probably would have gone with the Honda, but I gotta keep up a good pace and the Rmax suspension allows me to do that. Lol!
Seems like a nice ute! however for 20k, I just might look for a jeep
Have a good day everyone
Its hilarious that the narrator thinks the plastics on these machines are painted. 🤦♂️
Make these babies all electric and that’s awesome!
Then they'd go 20 miles and no one would buy them.
Yeah there's so many chargers out in the forest
20k......yeah no I could build something much more capable for 5k....and much more fun.....
Eh no you couldn't. 🙄