Panasonic S5 Review - Master of Some Trades [ Lumix S5 ]
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- Panasonic Lumix S5 Review - Master of Some Trades [ Lumix S5 ]
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Review unit has FW 1.0, but it is still *pre-production* unit.
I only had it for two days and the weather was quite poor, so most of the samples will be from *Panasonic S1,* which uses the same sensor and processing.
*Full review of Panasonic S1* is available here: bit.ly/PanasonicS12020
Always appreciate your videos and your honest opinions without any "fanboyisms".
Thank you!
Ooh! I was looking forward to this!
Great initial review, as always!!
Thank you!
It is sad for me.that Panasonic will not give up the DFD auto focus. I have the GH5 & G9 but I won't buy this. If there were cheaper lens maybe I would buy.
I now have the Sony A7 3 and ZV 1 and both are great.
I have watched all the comments on the S5 and yours is the best!
I would Like to see comparisons to the G9 from you especially.
Thank you!
At this point I have to agree, Panasonic has run of time to fix the DFD. They will have to switch if they want to be competitive.
The Hybrid Shooter can they switch to phase detection on existing cameras via firmware, or will it require changes at a hardware level?
@@wungabunga No, that requires different sensors with PDAF points.
DfD about as good as contrast detect gets, but it's like making a cake taste "okay" using cabbage. Just use chocolate instead! (Phase detect)
At this point I have to agree, Panasonic has run of time to fix the DFD.
Now that is Funny! 😁
Thanks again William for the first impressions. l always look forward to your thoughts on new gear.
Always my pleasure!
Interesting- it’s just not enough to pursuade me to go from a G9- worse autofocus, worse ibis and crop anyway in 4k60fps.
I’m waiting until Panasonic release one with full frame 4k60fps and autofocus as good as Sony- then I’ll upgrade.
The G9 can do what the S5 can do, and some things better. Of course low light excluded. But I personally don't shoot in the dark, don't pixel peep, etc... I also carry the G9 whenever I leave home. Traveling, the lenses are smaller and lighter.
I might consider the S5 when the lens selection is more "fleshed out". But for "me", the G9 meets my needs.
Same here. Unfortunately Panasonic will drop mft soon..
@@Reyfox1 I also like the G9, but it definitely can't do everything S5 does.
The Hybrid Shooter S7Siii is the one now but too expensive for a minor hobbyist like me.
@@TheHybridShooter true, but there are things the G9 does better. Faster fps shooting is one. I looking at all the videos on youtube, it seems the auto focus on my G9 is better. Same with the IBIS.
And I too think Panasonic will drift from M43. There are "rumors" of a shake up in the camera division. I don't think the S series will be affected. Maybe the point and shoot and bridge cameras. But as far as advancement in M43, I don't see what else they can do with it. That doesn't make it any less capable of a camera.
I have been following your channel and subscribed from the very beginning. I love how consistent you have remained in your reviews and you always review products that are in line with what I wish to see. 👍👍
Thank you, I appreciate your long-term support!
Great review. Looking forward to stills image quality comparison with a73.
Dalsi super video 👍🏻. Jen tak dale 🤘
Ďakujem pekne!
Really enjoy your reviews. Nice watch! 👍😂
Thank you!
This is good stuff! Thanks Hybrid Shooter!
Thank you!
Great Review dude! super in depth about af as well. But I do wonder if you have ever seen any artifacts with the 10bit 150mbps codec in vlog, either on the s1 or the s1h or the s5. Have you seen any color blotches or banding when underexposed? Or is it almost perfectly clean?
Thank you! I haven't had any issues with artifacts, but it is still difficult to recover V-Log footage if the exposure and WB isn't correctly set. I only recommend using Log on any camera if you have enough time to properly set it up. Flat setting is much more forgiving.
A brand new Sony A7III can be found for 1600 USD on sale on this days, I think Panasonic should launch this camera at a more aggressive price point, like Nvidia is doing right now cannibalizing their own previous products.
I agree, my RXT 3080 should arrive soon.
Lol you mean the camera that doesn't even do 4k60? That one?
@@skylitemedia862 He probably means the one that can focus every time.
@@TheHybridShooter it's telling that that's literally the only critique people can make about recent panny cams. The full frame panny cams are closer to flawless than any competitors for their price. never used AF in my life for video. It's a non issue. Same for massive amounts of other people. . No 4k60 and mushy 1080p60 in 2020? Hardly a competitive choice
Of course it isn't the only piece of criticism, watch the video. It is understandable that you have never used AF in video if you are Panasonic user. Pana can't do full sensor 4K either, 1080p on A7 III is great.
It is completely fine that you like Panasonic more, I will probably buy one as well, but there is no need to force your opinion on others. Especially not in such primitive way.
The constant quality you deliver is really astonishing! Chapeau!
In regards of overall video (not specific cinematic but universal) - how do you think the S5 compares to the X-T4? The S5 seems the obvious choice on paper but I am really not sure of the DFD AF and it's future. X-T4 seems really balanced but also has problems (heat, remote app that should be illegal, SW issues)
I'm really interested in your opinion
Thank you! S5 vs X-T4 is very complicated topic, I will try to make a sperate video about that it I get a chance.
Thank you fot the video. What do you think a 16-35 f4 with an S5 is a good street/walking photo-video combo? Do you recommend that lens? I find myself using a lot the 8-18 lens on the G9. Street, museum, panoramic view... as a family trip, most of the time I didn't change that lens. Do you use wide angle?
Always waiting for test shot with bridge :)
Thanks for the review! Can you compare the S5 DR and lowlight with XT4? Is it much better on S5?
You're welcome, unfortunately, I wasn't able to test that yet.
Great first look video, I especially like that you explored the L-Mount and competing mount eco systems. Like others, I wish Panasonic would direct some love to their M43 line, even if that is just to the GH6 while keeping the pace up on new L-Mount glass. I've been waiting to put my money down on a GH6 for some time, I do have a decent need of low light so the S6 really interests me, however not as much as the A7S III given it has addressed basically every issue I've ever had with video on the Sony A7 line. Adding to this is, as you point out, the enormous E-Mount eco system where I could actually go buy an A7S III + the entire Tamron f/2.8 holy trinity of lenses for less than I could buy the S5 and just the Panasonic 24-70 & 70-200mm f/2.8.
Thank you! Sigma lenses are also available for L-mount but the autofocus is unfortunately terrible with those, so the lens selection is a big advantage of E-mount.
@@TheHybridShooter wow, did not realise that the AF on the L-Mount Sigma's was not on par with those being put out by Panasonic. That really puts a big price barrier on L-Mount if AF is at all important to your work flow. As a long time Lumix shooter it doesn't make me happy to say, but that A7S III is looking better every day....
Great review, as always. I’m really torn, as many other GH and G9 shooters are...I know I should wait another year or so, but I’m tempted by the S5 to move up to FF. AF not an issue for me in making short films.
Thank you, honestly, I don't think that much will happen in a year if you want stay with Panasonic.
Very useful review, thanks. For me (stills only, handheld, lots of low light, not much action) this looks like a good but not ideal option.
The RUclipsr I was waiting to hear from on this! I currently have a GH5 and a G9, considering replacing my G9 with the S5 for the better video options and dynamic range for when I'm shooting photos, but I'm wondering if I should wait to see what Sony does with the A7 iv next year. Mainly hoping for uncropped 4k60, and the current lens selection on L-mount worries me a bit. I'd go with an A7 iii but I'm not a fan of the handling or the menu system. It also lacks some video features that my G9 can do.
There aren't even any rumors about the A7 IV yet, so I can't help you with that.
I'm in almost the same boat, @Jacob. I see you rowing with your GH5 and G9. 😎 I have GH5 and GH5S. I do have the A7SIII on pre-order, but that still leaves me behind on stills. I too think the A7IV could be the one even if it's not being mentioned. if it gets the new menu system and has that great hybrid balance which everyone loves on the A7III, I'll be all in on Sony (except for the likelihood I'll never sell one GH5 and GH5S 🤓)
Me ha gustado su análisis de la cámara S5, muy esclarecedor
Muchas gracias!
Buen trabajo!
Muchas gracias!
Thank you for the review. I find it funny that the S5 is actually smaller than the Panasonic G9 (Micro 4/3). I love the handling of the G9 (but I have larger hands than average).
Thank you for a comprehensive as usual hands on. I hoped very much Panasonic to release a compact S1 (sort of a full frame G90) with pdaf and complement it with a series of lightweight weather proof affordable primes from 16 to 85mm (16/2.8, 20-24-35-50-85/1.8). Most of all I wanted a 16, a 35 and an 85mm. Sigma Art alternatives are very big and very heavy. What's the point of making a small camera without offering a full range of adequately sized lenses?
The mixed emotions I have with this camera is crazy. DFD is legit not the way forward at all, the use of Micro HDMI is so unlike Lumix at this price point
I agree, I have mixed opinion as well. Micro HDMI is completely fine at this size though.
Hi!
Excellent video as always.
7:15 Question, how do you stabilize these shots? Any post?
Thank you!
Gimbal + IBIS + warp stabilizer.
@@TheHybridShooter Thanks!!!!
was waiting for your review on this camera and your opinion. They nearly sold me on that. Just DFD is holding me back on buying it because my focus is mostly wildlife and other action shots.
Unfortunately, I can't recommend this one for wildlife or fast action. 5 FPS with AF-C is also not great for that.
@@TheHybridShooter yeah i know. That's why my G9 will stick with my for a longer time. My time for an upgrade has non come yet :D
Great review. I have the camera on preorder.
Thank you!
still trying to decide between the x-t4 and the S5. coming from a g85 and ready to step up.
This camera is one I'm contemplating, but I'll be waiting to see how the f1.8 primes are. I'm definitely glad that they got the weight down, but at the same time, I'm really hoping they didn't wind up changing the grip too too much. Problem is though at the same price (actually, about $100 CAD less) you can get the X-T4 w/ 18-55 bundle, so it'll be a case of which works better for my intended uses. Guess I'll find out more a while after the S5 is released ^_^;;
Thanks for the review! I am completely torn between this and the Fuji XT-4. Very similar price point, in Sweden at least, and the Fuji has performed amazingly in the tests I have seen you and other do, even with its non full frame sensor. Come from the old canon 700d, so absolutely no preference. Shoot cars almost exclusively video so please have that in mind
Which one did you end up with?
@@tobyr8555 neither. Went for the a7iii. Found a super deal with good lenses and it has been an absolute workhorse. 4k 24 fps and 1080 at 120 fps covers almost all of my needs. Only complaint i have is the 8 bit, lack of 4:2:2 when pushing the colors and worsened autofocus
Can I jam sync timecode like I can with the GH5s?
Very good review.
Thank you!
Ahoj William ! I saw in another youtube video some good AF results in video with the following settings :
AF speed -3 (yes minus 3)
AF sensitivity +2
I haven't tried it myself, obviously, but just wanted to let you know in case you have your hands some other time with the S5.
Though I personally own a Lumix G7 and G9 (and like them a lot), I am not a fanboy and wished Panasonic started implementing phase detect AF... as everybody else, probably :)
Hopefully, they will make first attempt with Lumix GH6... (I doubt it, but...)
Pekny den !
Ďakujem pekne! I have been trying custom settings for hours with different S and G cameras, but it is basically just a way to balance speed and hunting. You always have to sacrifice one of those. For me personally custom settings off works the best. AF depends much more on specific situation and correctly chosen AF area.
I don't suppose you would know if you can shoot stills (raw) while recording video do you? Similar to the g9? I was all hyped up about the z6 till I discovered the stills are just jpg. Thanks
I unfortunately don't know, but I see no reason why wouldn't they include it.
Great video! If you ever get the opportunity, I would love to see this camera compared to the X-T4. And perhaps the Nikon z6ii. Other than the Sony a7iii, I think those cameras are the closest matches.
Thank you! Due to the lack of development and low interest, I currently don't intend to make more videos about L-mount cameras. Sorry about that.
@@TheHybridShooter Understood!
Nice review
Thank you!
Thank you so much!
Which Ibis do you prefer? X-t4 or s5?
You're welcome! IBIS is much better on X-T4.
@@TheHybridShooter thank you so much. I knew you roughly said it in the video so thanks for coming back at me anyways!
This camera have function 4k live cropping? S1 dont have ;/
Great video!!! As I own a Panasonic G9, would you recommend a change/ upgrade or are the differences too small to justify the purchase of a S5? Tha is in advance.
➡️ Why not a comparison between G9 and S5?
There is a big difference, both have advantages and disadvantages. I have made S1 and GH5 comparison, that might help you: ruclips.net/video/a6XrFSYe55A/видео.html
@@TheHybridShooter thanks. More interesting would be, what your favorite top three cameras are at the moment (probably concerning different scenarios or uses) please, make such a video in the next weeks.
I don't make that kind of videos, but you can take a look at my video about best cameras for travelling, I haven't really tested any new cameras since then. ruclips.net/video/dHNKEov1OZM/видео.html
I really like the size of the camera. Maybe I consider it to upgrade from my gx80 :)
I am the same, looking at the G9 or S5 for stills
hi, i am thinking of upgrading to the s5 from a gx9, is there any noticeable difference between the EVF of the gx9 vs the s5? I did not really enjoy using the gx9 EVF mainly because I use glasses and the picture of the EVF was usually blurry for me
There is a difference, but it is only an improvement from poor to below average. There are cameras with much better EVFs out there.
@@TheHybridShooter Thank you for replying :)
I miss Bratislava. Good video and helps with decision making.
Thank you!
Hi, I'm really trying to find out if this camera the S5 can shoot 1080p in 10bit 4.2.2 or 10bit 4.2.0? I can't find any information about this anywhere!. I would expect it too do this without question and if so great I'm tempted to buy it. But if it only shoots 1080p 8bit that's just ridiculous and a definite deal breaker for me just wouldn't make sense.
Yes, it can. You can find all of the shooting modes on Panasonic website.
@@TheHybridShooter hey thanks for your reply, I was getting a little worried it didn't because literally nobody apart from you has replied or answered that question!. So ya thanks for your reply that very useful information! I looked on the UK Panasonic website and all I could find even in the specs was info about 4k 10bit so ya you reply is very appricated and helpful thanks again.
I have been seriously considering trading in my G9 and GX8 and 6 lenses to switch back to full frame with this S5 + 20-60mm. But after watching your review I'm no longer so sure. I occasionally shoot in low light, don't care about video, and do a lot of hiking/cycling so I'm not sure it'd be worth switching after all due to weight/size of FF lenses. Besides, I have a Leica M6 which is full frame (a different beast entirely). I'm worried about the future of micro four thirds though despite loving the system.
I think in a previous video instead of the s1r you told me that the a7r3 was a better option. For some reason i still want to get a panasonic lol. That autofocus system seems really bad in comparison. Think it will only make a better case for itself with an expanded lens option like sony has. Seems really good for the price though. Also awesome scenery where you are. Beautiful landscape video.
Thank you, unfortunately I don't live there, those are mostly archive shots taken with S1, which has the same image quality.
Hi would you still recommend this camera at the end of 2022/start of 2023? Or would you recommend something like the x-h2 over this?
I recommend waiting for a little while.
@@TheHybridShooter thanks 👍 when's the better time to buy you think?
I can't say exact time.
For me, as a primarily stills shooter (I use the G9 currently) if I were to change from the M 4/3 system I think I'd go Fuji XT4 route...your thought please.
Very complicated question, I will try to make a separate video about that.
The Hybrid Shooter thanks looking forward to it. For me as a stills only shooter and also being on the older side I’m looking to see if I need to go full frame or apsc to enhance the quality of my work with the G9.
Just sold my fuji xt2 and 10-24/55-200. I do mainly landscape stills and I'm fed up with xtrans sensor on fuji and it's raw rendering issues. Getting this for Beyer full frame sensor, better DR, better ergos, high res mode, live view composite...the list goes on. Don't care about autofocus, video, ibis etc. I can also live with viewfinder as the screens so good.
X-T2 uses completely different sensor, so that is irrelevant for this comparison. The are no issues at all with X-Trans 4 sensor in X-T4.
As I posted on another review, why buy this cam over a Fuji X-T4?
Too complicated question for single comment, I will try to make a video comparison.
Man, I really don't know wether to pick up that S5 or a Fuji X-T4...... The X-T4 body isn't far away from the S5 💰, but the FF/Pana lenses are financially out of reach. I wish I knew how big the performance gap between the sensor sizes really are and if FF is worth it for a hobby photograph. It's either the S5 + one or two lenses - or the X-T4 with a few more..... 😐
hey bro which is better Fujifilm XT 4 or Panasonic s5 for video and thanks for the review
That is too complicated question for one comment. I prefer X-T4 at the moment, but it depends on your preferences.
@@TheHybridShooter I too agree on your point but could you please do a comparison between them because both arear same price point
I'm not sure, it is possible that I will make a comparison later on.
@@TheHybridShooter thanks man
So, do you mean that 4k 60fps 8bit is cropped or 10bit?
cropped and 10-bit 4:2:0
I'd see the Canon eos R6 as a competitor for this line. Would you make a review on that camera as well? i'm really interested in that one but only seen very few good video related reviews thus far...
Unfortunately no, I can't get any review units from Canon and I don't intend to invest in RF system.
@@TheHybridShooter that's a shame, good review nevertheless! :)
Thank you!
Another excellent review and well done!
I think Panasonic are on a “fool’s errand” by pursuing the Full Frame market whilst abandoning Micro Four Thirds. I have no intention of venturing into FF and will concentrate on mobile phone cameras whilst making do with my existing MFT system where my phone fails.
Thank you, that is very very difficult to say. They have had good arguments for doing so, but I don't think their approach and strategy were correct.
@@TheHybridShooter Seems like Sony going into the A7c and Pana going into the S5... they got the same market data that shows people want compact full frame. They are following the money, which is fine. But the S5 doesn't feel like the GH5; the impact is not the same as when GH5 won over people's hearts. Hence, I think they need at least one more compact full frame camera that can truly address the market like the GH5 did.
They mainly need a new sensor and CPU, but it seems like there is no one to provide that.
@@TheHybridShooter And rightly so. Do you ever hear any other complaints about the Panasonics except autofocus? Now imagine if that gets fixed, no way will Sony for example will provide them with a PDAF sensor and destroy their own market lol.
Cropped 4K 60p, size, weight and lens selection are also being criticized a lot.
My issue is, if the auto focus isn't reliable I cannot throw it on a gimbal and I have to manually hold and focus...
Depends on the situation. If you are using gimbal for wide shots like it is shown in this video, the AF will be fine. If you need to follow someone for example, it might not be fine.
Would be a fantastic camera, IF ONLY they got rid of that DFD Contrast detect AF. It's 2020 and if they don't innovate, they'll go the way of Olympus.
Do you think this good purchase over sony a7s3? I am first time buyer and wanted your opinion on which build should i invest? Sony or lumix?
A7S III is IMO much superior camera for video, but it costs much more of course.
@@TheHybridShooter thank you so much. I have saved for 2 years to buy superior camera so now I can afford it. I am also in between sony a 7s3 or canon r5. I am first time buyer so I was wondering what you think is better investment for future as well? Canon or sony? A7s3 or R5? Regards
Depends on whether you shoot only video or stills as well, and if you need reliable camera for long clips.
@@TheHybridShooter i want to shoot video and stills and also long ceremonies and events. I understand that R5 won't be reliable for that but i am happy to shoot on 4k and not 8k. But canon r5 stills are amazing. That is the dilemma. I can't decide on what build to invest 😕
It isn't reliable in 4K either. For events I would definitively avoid R5.
Thank you for your first impressions about the S5. I was very interested by this camera for the compactness and also the dynamic range in video at this price point. However I wanted a good IBIS to use with lens like the 85mm DG DN. My A7III ' IBIS is very bad compared to my G9, very jerky with lenses past 35mm if I move my hand even a little bit. If the S5 IBIS is on the same level than the A7III, it is very disapointing.
You're welcome! That is always a trade-off. There is large sensor, small body and effective IBIS. You can only have 2 of those 3, so expecting better IBIS than in A7 III would be unreasonable.
@@TheHybridShooter Yes you're right, there is always a trade-off. However from what I've seen about the Canon R6, the IBIS seems very good and yet this camera is relatively lightweight.
R6 is significantly larger than both A7 III and S5. I also don't think that IBIS is that much better in comparison with those two, most samples were also shot with IBIS + lens IS.
@@TheHybridShooter Maybe the S5 IBIS is better than A7III with the IS lock mode ? I don't have this option on my Sony A7III.
Another great video, thanks William. Do I deduce correctly, from what you're saying, that the best Panasonic autofocus performance would still probably be in the G9? I'm still enjoying my G9 and while the S5 is interesting (and good value), I'm going to hold off on full frame until at least the end of the year, to see what else comes out (including possibly a GH6). For the moment, micro four thirds continues to satisfy my needs, although I am now more wary about investing much more money than I already have in glass for it, as part of me feels both it and APS-C may increasingly be abandoned by manufacturers as smart phone sales continue to eat into their 'low end'.
Thank you! G9, GH5 and GH5S have basically equally good AF with the latest FW updates. G9 may a bit faster for stills.
I was thinking about getting a Panasonic gh5s (I will do more video than photography), but am waiting until the GH6 is released, so I can see if the GH6 is much better for the price. Any idea when the GH6 will be released, and what the price and specs on it will be?
At this point, the question is whether the GH6 will be released at all. No information is available at all.
@@TheHybridShooter I think it may drop at any moment, but they want to keep people buying the GH5 line up until the last minute, so they are not giving any indication of when it will be. I don't want to wait too long but, then again, I don't want to be one of the people that drops a wad of money to get a gh5s and then the next day the gh6 drops...
@@mgelinfilms7344 I don't. There would be some indications already.
@@TheHybridShooter So you think I should get a GH5, or GH5s now...? If I get a GH5 and a speedbooster with sigma lens, will it adequately address the low light issues of the GH5? If so, would that make it a better choice than the GH5s, or do the GH5s video advantages still make it a better choice?
@@mgelinfilms7344 I have no idea, it depends on your preferences. Personally, I wouldn't recommend investing in M43 at the moment unless you already have a lot of M43 lenses.
As usual, very good and straight review, thanks !
Sadly, the old 2.3 Mpx EVF is a deal breaker for me.
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💥William - another great video as usual. I appreciate your style of education. For me and part of this is based on your reviews, I'm getting dangerously close to a full on affair w/Sony.😻 I'm emotionally connected from a distance. I've eyed them for a while, but never made a move. That changed with the A7SIII. Currently, I have 2 x GH5 + 1 x GH5S, with a G7 to boot. I will likely sell one of one of the GH5 and the G7 as soon as the pre-order for the Sony A7SIII arrives and start moving (my affair into a relationship!) more in that direction. I love the GH5 and GH5S, but it's the autofocus and Bokeh for me... Sadly, Panasonic had such a large lead that if they would have worked on a different autofocus system we'd/they'd be in a better place by now. I've recorded corporate marketing videos with my GH5 on AutoFocus and the marketing team was good with it and said to leave it on. This was talking head with little movement, but I just don't trust it for anything else. This is the achilles heal of the camera beyond the crop (which is something they can't really do a lot about - but they can with autofocus). I feel the GH5 and GH5s are probably one of if not still the best value for advanced 4K/60p shooting on a budget (esp if willing to buy on ebay used like I did for my 2nd and 3rd), but... as I've grown I want a lot more bokeh and need better auto-focus. Such a gigantic price delta, but alas this S5 shows me Panasonic hasn't started to (really!) work on their main issue - AF. I know the S5 AF is not terrible with reviews like yours, but anytime I'm using double negatives to think positively, there's trouble. 👻 Keep Up The Great Work, William! 🤜🏽🤛🏽😎
Thank you! If you need 100% reliable autofocus, DFD still can't provide that.
Same bot here, GH5S - need wider fov and more shallow dof.
Didn’t invest in m4/3 glass, im on slow vintage zeiss now, f2.8 mostly.
Lowlight is ok for me, codecs are great but for my needs i should swap lens set to something like nikkors 1.2/1.4 or simply change body to FF.
Bad autofocus is not a dealbreaker for me, if this had 4k60p full frame though, I'd switch from GH5 in a heart beat.
Thanks for a great review. Nice camera but the a7iiii will make it obsolete.
You're welcome, we will see but it is valid alternative to A7 III for those who can use 10-bit codecs at the moment.
Possibly but a7iiii by definition will be 4th gen. This is technically gen1 for Panasonic so its looking good for them.
Of course... But the S5 MkII will make a7iv obsolete, and so on....
@@brunopelvillain9700 lol. Too right
Im really looking at this hard, but i have the s1h and the eos r and eso r6 not sure if its worth it.
Do you think there will be more affordable leases on L mount? That's the only thing holding me back
I don't really know, Panasonic is probably trying to position Lumix-S line as premium products with premium prices, but those new F1.8 lenses might be more affordable.
@@TheHybridShooter I have to disagree. Why?
1) S5 feels like a "downgrade" compared to the previous, more "premium" S cameras. Even 3 years old G9 has better build quality and EVF!
2) Small and relatively cheap 45mm f2.8 DG DN that comes for free with S5 for in some regions is the first from a new series of L mount lenses announced by Sigma. It is reasonable to expect a certain level of uniformity across lenses in the new series. So it looks like more relatively affordable lenses are on the way from Sigma.
3) The new 20-60mm kit zoom bundled with S5 was build by Panasonic with the cheaper and smaller S5 body in mind. It is probable that Panasonic won't stop at just one lens but will continue to supplement S5 body with new, relatively darker but smaller and more affordable lenses.
That free Sigma actually completely proves my point. They will rather include free stuff than just sell the camera for $1699. S5 was supposed to be entry level Nikon Z5 type of camera. They are trying to suggest that the S5 is superior than Z5, Z6 and X-T4 by setting premium price. It is below the S1 in hierarchy, but they are still trying to position it as a premium product.
@@TheHybridShooter Interesting point. You might be right here. But price tag above Nikon's offerings or X-T4 matches superior (and premium ;) ) video capabilities of S5: f log, no recording limit (below 60fps), waveforms, support for anamorphic lenses...
Also It depends on the definition but positioning a product above an "entry level Nikon Z5" does not sound very "premium" too me. Anyway I get your point.
All I try to say is that S5 is a clear departure from the approach presented by the previous S bodies (and accompanying lenses). Until now these were promoted as exclusive products aimed at professional elite.
S5 is different. It is cheaper. S5 is bundled with cheaper and lighter. To me it looks like Panasonic is trying to associate S5 with portability, lower prices and video abilities for which their M43 system is renowned, and to distance it from the "exclusivity" of the S line. So I hope to see new cheaper L-mount lenses.
You are right, but judging form the comments below my Lumix S videos, majority of people care more about autofocus than high-end video specs. Video capabilities are great, but there is not that many people who can take advantage of those, so it might not suffice to make it appealing to wider audience. As I have said in the video, it is a master of some trades, but Panasonic need a jack of all trades more IMO.
Can I borrow it to some reviews? I will return it. Great video I am tempted to try this camera
This is review unit from Panasonic, so you would have to ask them.
@@TheHybridShooter I really didn't expect someone to send me their camera lol I was trying to be funny and suprised to get an answer. Thanks again for the video I wish panasonic would use a better auto focus have a great day
I know :) maybe they would lend you one if you have sufficient following.
Hyped on this hope to own one
Panasonic should make a full frame range finder style camera like their GX Micro 4/3 series or like the Sony A7c
I'm pretty sure that most manufacturers will follow Sony's lead.
A full frame LX100 with tilting rear screen would b even better
I don't think so.
I don’t think so either but I am just trying to put that idea out there ;).... Hi Mr Panasonic, do you hear me, we need little M4/3 cameras like the GM5 or GX1 which are the essence of M4/3 cameras & are the reason why people would get into the system, don’t forget a tilting rear screen, thx Mr Panasonic.
Thank you Hybrid Shooter for yr videos !
I think it was a major oversite not to have a full HDMI connection. Micro-HDMI is so disappointing compared to the GH5/GH5s. I shoot externally to the Atomos Ninja V.
It is a trade-off to keep the size down. At this size, Micro HDMI is completely fine IMO.
Like before i complete video
Thank you!
Hey! Is it better than fujifilm xt4?
That is very complicated question, I will try to make video about that.
IQ is better. Xtrans sensor on fuji is just plain weird
That is nonsense, just use any major updated RAW developer. There is nothing weird about X-Trans.
@@TheHybridShooter Tried all the raw developers. They all rendered xtrans RAF files with varying degrees of success. I ended up using Capture One with them as it seemed to give the cleanest image. Still weird though IMHO.
@@simonlockley2854 So did I, with great results with every convertor, as you can see in my X-T4 videos and X-mount lens testing. I am very confident that there is absolutely nothing weird about X-Trans 4. Also, nobody was able to explain what "weird" even means.
Hi! Have you had a chance to test the camera after fw 2.0 It seems like the AF performance have been significantly improved and the wobble reduced a lot.
No, I haven't.
Thanks for the video! One thing you forgot to mention is that the camera will get ProRes RAW via Atomos recorder in a future update. I sure hope they add some of the video features in the S5 to my S1 in a firmware update. I know they will be improving the autofocus, but I would like the 4:2:0 10-bit 4K 60p and the dual zebra display and the ability to record ProRes RAW via hdmi out, too. The S1 with the VLOG upgrade is a US $2,700 camera so it's a little bit frustrating that a camera costing $700 less has more video features.
Yes, you are right, I wasn't aware of that, I made this video in extreme rush, so I only found out today. I suppose that S1 owners won't be happy, but it sill has some significant advantages over S5.
In case you want to switch to canon... there’s 15-35mm f/2.8, with image stabilization... albeit hugely expensive
That is not what I am looking for. I need light and sharp F4.
I hope you liked my hometown, Málaga :D
I sure did.
Can you make a review lumix g100?
I can, but I don't want to :) Just get Sony ZV-1 instead ruclips.net/video/rqy9wCLibyc/видео.html
Can you describe your short opinion about umix g100?
Outdated technology, poor specs, cheap build, unacceptable 4K crop.
@@TheHybridShooterthank you
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Nice video and interesting camera! The lens range and luminosity seems perfectly chosen for video. The camera design is utterly perfect for my taste but it comes not cheap. However, I think it's doomed by its autofocus DFD which is unacceptable by today's standards, which is a pity because it's the best-designed camera of all companies. The poor viewfinder doesn't help either to fork out 2.300€ for the lot. I'm sitting on a fence but its focusing (and the price) discourages me from replacing my Xt3 which I use for video.
For me focus is not an issue because I don't care about video or sport photography. If I found something what I don't like in videos is that MFT lenses do not have smooth zoom ring (except 12-35/f2.8) and they are not parfocal so image is out of focus while zooming.
It basically depends on how much you need that autofocus. The whole package is basically made for advanced filmmakers who do a lot of color grading, so it also depends on your workflow.
Compressed codes only!?!? Why? Such a backwards step compared to the GH5 in this respect....
That doesn't matter at all. Long GOP is so good nowadays, that it is not worth shooting ALL-I anyway, the difference is not visible.
if Panasonic ever run out of business it will be because of their autofocus system!
Mam na teba otazku za 1000000... Je mozne na Panasonic S5 (samozrejme s adapterom napr. Sigma MC - 21) upevnit objektivy Cinema napr. "Samyang Cinema lenses" s bajonetom Canon EF? A ak ano o co prichadzam alebo ake su nedostatky?- napr.: nizsia svetelnost, crop ci nebodaj vinetacia)
Na RUclips je kopa videi s Canon objektivmi ale ziadne s manualnymi objekt. "Samyang Cinema lenses"
Chcem si S5-ku dokupit ako druhu Kameru na serioznejsie natacanie ale nechcem prist o celu sadu Cinema objektivov ktore mam.
Áno, je to možné ak majú EF mount. V prípade manuálnych objektívov to v podstate nemá žiadny negatívny vplyv.
@@TheHybridShooter Vdaka... Dufam, ze v blyzkej dobe niekto na to natoci video, teda realny test...
Just received my S5, loving it so far. It’s somewhere between a full-frame GH5, and a slightly more limited S1H. People commenting here seem overly fussy about non-issues, IMO. Cameras are merely tools, and from what I’ve seen so far the S5 is a thing of beauty.
What is a non-issues for you may be a deal-breaker for someone else, so that is individual.
I feel like the S5 represents some much-needed improvements for the range, but it's telling that the a7iii, over two years after its release, remains the camera to beat. And it's not just the autofocus either: the L-mount alliance doesn't have as many affordable options as the Sony FE. If they had the equivalent of Tamron's f2.8 zooms and superzooms, I think you'd see a lot more people seriously considering the switch.
Mam na teba este jednu otazku ak mi mozes odpovedat. Zvazujem kupu Pan. S5 ale neviem najst konkretne data okolo vystupu. Vsucasnosti su okolo toho same "omacky" ale nic na 100% konkretne.
Je mozne zo sucasnym "Firmware Update" natacat na Atomos Ninja V video vo formate 4k alebo UHD 50/60fps v kvalite ProRes 4.2.2. HQ s 10bit. farbami? Myslim naozaj 50fps a 4.2.2. 10bit a nie 4.2.0.
Prechadzam na S5 z Pan. GH5s a ten vystup v danej kvalite je premna absolutne nevyhnutny.
Bohužiaľ, ja som mal S5 iba na 1 a pol dňa v septembri, takže "z vlastných skúseností" neviem nič z toho potvrdiť.
@@TheHybridShooter Zatial mi na to nedokazal nik odpovedat na 100%.. Aj tak ti dakujem 🙏.
Este jedna pod otazocka- Pan. S1 oproti S5 ma na senzore Anti-aliasing & Moire filter? Ak by si mi vedel na to odpovedat.
Bohužiaľ nie, AA filter nemá ani jeden z nich, vo videu aj vzorka moire :)
Tak uz mam odpoved na moje otazky. Ak by to tu niekto hladal tak nech sa paci: Panasonic S5 s Atomos Ninja V dokaze nahravat 5.9K video v ProRes RAW do 25fps a 4K video v ProRes Raw do 50/60fps. Samozrejme je nutne doinstalovat par veci di PC a aj tak vas slabsi PC (ak nerobite s Proxi) posle do haja.
Nahravat sa da aj do ProRes 4.2.2 HQ, 10bit vo formate C4K alebo UHD do 50/60fps -stale cez HDMI. Kabel musi byt naozaj dost "peckovy" inak o vas neoprie ani bicykel.
Dalej pre normalne natacanie je dobre si prisposobit Profily farieb a vypnut v nastaveni Stabilizacie vsetko okrem Operation Mode. - vsetko ostatne iba zhorsi uz aj tak dost viditelny rolling shutter + Aliasing & Moire.
Dokupil som si obycajny adapter pre Canon EF na Leica L/T a funguje bez problemov s manualnymi objektivmi bez Vignetacie
Panasonic could have easily made the "perfect camera" if they just change the Autofocus to Phase Detection. They know this too and refuse to give the customer(s) what they want so that's why Sony is killing the game.
It is not clear if they actually could have done it, since they use Sony sensors.
@@TheHybridShooter Maybe that's in their agreement. They get discounts on Sony sensors if they only use Contrast AF.
More likely arrangement is that Sony just won't make FF sensors with on-sensor PDAF for them.
I'm finally moving over to full frame with the s5. Been using g9s for the last three years for video. S5 is soo much better IMO. Low light is amazing and of course now I can get nice bokeh with most lenses.
Nice review! Couple questions. For the photo test how come u used AFC instead of AFS? For RAW testing , since its the same sensor as S1H how about changing the EXIF? Were any of the AF tests done with the faster custom AF settings, the transitions seemed a lot slower than other reviews I saw.
I use AF-C for all cameras because these cameras are most intended for back button focusing. I would rather wait for official support. All samples were taken with custom settings off.
In all of your camera test videos, you do a photo test where you walk towards the camera while the camera is shooting continuously to see the accuracy of eye auto focus. Why is it missing from this video?
I tried an S5 for two weeks with three Panasonic S prime lenses and I'm returning it. The autofocus is garbage for photos. Even with completely stationary subjects in well lit environments it will miss focus with both eye autofocus and single point. The camera will lie to you, putting a green box over someone's eye, even when you review the photo, but when you get it into Lightroom and zoom in, it actually focuses on the nose, eye brows or the rims of glasses. I mainly do portraits and that makes the camera useless to me.
It's sad because I love the quality of the photos and videos, the handling of the camera, the Panasonic prime lenses and the price. But I can't use it if it won't get photos in focus.
Because I had it for about 36 hours with FW 0.5.
@@TheHybridShooter ah, I see! Thanks for letting me know. 😁
Well I had it with the latest firmware and Panasonic S glass and it was unusable. Even using AFS with focus recompose, it would lie to me saying it's in focus with a green confirmation box in preview. Tried it on 15+ different subjects in well lit conditions.
Going back to my X-T4 and waiting for the Sony A7iv used prices to get around $1200, then I'll switch to that.
@@YaYousef5 You might want to wait for a few days.
I currently focus on documentary films (on a very lean starting budget; all out of pocket) and my initial canera is the old Panasonic UX-180.... . I am looking at the S5 because the color science is similar, but it can push me closer towards the future..... from 8 bit and beyond. Plus it is a package that I can take on the motorcycle as well as hike with and has the weather resistance that the UX-180 does not have..... for out of the box, I can match the UX-180 with Cin-D mode, or switch to V-Log between primary and B camera..... that is my thinking anyway.
Ho Hum. The Sony A7mk3 two years later. Nice camera, wrong price point for features presented. For those 6 people who have bought into the L mount marketing hype, and were complaining about the size of the S1, ok, this is Panasonic's answer. But the low res EVF and card slot issue cannot be ignored in 2020. Panasonic has gotten into the habit of doing strange cost cutting measures, essentially taking a common bag of already developed features and spinning out new versions of already existing technology. For $2000, there are better options as you pointed out. Nice review. What do you think about Luminar AI? Looking forward to your review of that. Stay safe.
Yeah, I was also hoping for more innovations, these are repackaged features, mostly for those who can take advantage of those video specs.
Expensive FF camera and has an autofocus from 2012?! What is Panasonic thinking
A disaster of a camera, if compared to the other S line cameras Panasonic makes. Pass.
I don't think so, I think that it is the best package in S Line so far.
Max techs channel had the s5 beating the a7iii in afc on video mode. All but at 24fps full frame. But even at a apsc crop 24fps it beat the a7iii. Pretty interestimg how ur video saids the gh5 has better focusing 😱. Makes me believe that was probably a paid video
That is impossible unless they used wrong settings, autofocus on A7 III is completely different league. Even Panasonic admits that M43 has better AF because of the faster sensor read-out. Your accusation is ridiculous.
@@TheHybridShooter reading back my comment I actually agreed with u, and said that it makes me believe his video was a paid promotion 😜 again sorry if I offended I'm just out here trying to make it on RUclips 😷✌
U mentioned s1 in every photo sample
I explained why.
Im def. not the tergeted audience ... really weak AF, only 5fps, overpriced mount with lackluster lenses... Wonder what Panasonic was thinking. They are stuck with the mount which will be their achilles´ heel.
As I have said in the video, it is mostly for those who can take advantage of those video specs.