Berettas BIG Mistake!?
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Ugly Gun Beretta?
Useless Garbage Break-Action?
Ugo Gusali Beretta?
Ultimate Gun Beretta?
Whatever it was actually called, this gun was probably a mistake!?
It's a 2-shot break open, bottom ejecting semi-auto, designed to revolutionize clay target sports. Unfortunately in 2005 when it was released, it was definitely not ready for the market, however, it was then relaunched in 2007 and still probably wasn't ready for the market, or maybe the market wasn't ready for it?
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That gun is a perfect example of real innovation, that could have resulted in one of the best shotguns in the market. Unfortunately it was "killed" by over-engineering, and by engineers not listening to the right expert/shooters. I think Beretta should bring the 2.0 version.
No, it is an overcomplicated piece of junk.
@@jon1801 what a smart and well said argument
@@jon1801 Can you elaborate, or is that the full depth of your analysis?
I like the idea of an AN-94 style feed system in a 2-3 round sporting shotgun.
The problem was already solves, about 150 years ago. Its called a over under double barrel. I'm guessing they wanted to save money by having the same but with a single barrel. Just get a pump.
Looks like they were designing a belt fed shotgun but then realized last minute you only get two shots per position in clays.
😂😂
Would be pretty interesting to convert it into a belt fed semi auto
God I would nut for a belt fed shotgun.
to be quite honest, it was kind of rude of clay pigeon shooting to not change the rules to account for this
@@midshipman8654 ikr
Never heard of it, never seen one, none of my friends know of one. I love it! I really like the look of this enigmatic shooter. Looks like on overengineered concept but it looks great. Would not mind a few shots on it. Well done TGS team very informative and entertaining...
I like everything except the price tag, but that's what you get with guns like this.
Kid I shot trap with back in highschool had one. Absolute unicorn gun, was extremely cool to see. Apparently was extremely common for his to be in the shop due to mechanical issues though so I doubt that the price tag is worth the cool factor vs the upkeep
Reminds me of the Ljutic space gun or the Browning Recoilless Or even the Browning Double auto. Gun before it's time or a gun made for societies with strict gun laws that limit the capacity of shotguns. I've never seen one in the US but I do enjoy different, some would say strange guns
this gun is VERY innovative, honestly love the idea and makes me think of how to make it more innovative, the system to insert the next shell makes me wonder if one could custom install something like Alof's Reloading system to the side to give it a larger "magazine"
either way, think it's dope!
Looks worthy of consideration to me. I wonder if they considered making the opening lever swappable L/R.
Side ejection and walking about with an unbroken gun are pet peeves of some shooters. They generally won't voice it to you publicly, but they will semi-anonymously in a forum.
Although it lacks the break-open feature, the Butler is another autoloader with the barrel on the bottom.
Hard to say what their future plans were, since the project got discontinued.
I bought one of these secondhand about a year ago. Fell in love with how the action works and how strange it is. Great video!
My absolute favorite semi automatic. I can shoot it in any discipline, even Olympic Trap, and I love that it is a break open, which to me means it's much safer than the usual semi auto especially if you have a new shooter. As I am not a fan of recoil I can also shoot heavier loads than with any other gun.
How is that safer?
@@Albrtd3 Right, it is still semi auto.
@@Albrtd3 maybe safer in sense of easy visual confirmation that it is in an unshootable safe condition, so you know the other guy's gun is safe, similar to a break action.
@@Albrtd3 if the break is open the gun cannot fire in any circumstance
@@Albrtd3 ass
Since it came up, there is a rule in American trap to prevent semiautos from throwing empties in a “distracting” manner.
There’s also an American gun builder, Butler, that currently makes a two-shot, bottom-ejecting, “unsingle” semiauto that would be a fun review. Love the channel!
But thats the best part of a semiauto was to just have it chuck a spent shell at the guy over
And I always thought that in the US, yellow warning signs on every screw were enough. 😂
Just hold on a moment. I have one of these, the trap version, and totally love it. It is funky and odd I'll grant you but it is always a talking point and people who fire it say what I expect, that it is fun and easy to point and shoot. Oh and by the way they are very rare and prices are rising. The 'why' is a good question but I am glad they did. I bought mine for a very reasonable 1800 euros here in France nearly four years ago. It was and is like new and I have been asked to sell it many times over. The original price for my model back in 2008 was I think 7000 euros which was the main reason it died at the box office.
I would hold you up on the claim that they are unreliable and some don't work. Mine is a 2009 model and I regularly put 24g and 28g shells through it. I have never, not once, never had a shell jam or the gun not cycle. Some people don't understand that the second shell on the outside must be pushed right forward into the cradle.
7000 euro!! Wow!
@@tgsoutdoors Yes wow. The kit it comes with and the box too are things of beauty and the materials of the gun are very high quality. When I shoot ball trap comps here I always get a crowd watching because the cycling of the second shell, as you know, is mega quick. My French shooting mate Daniel who is a left hander likes to borrow my UGB and nearly always shoots better with it than his 692. The bottom line is it is a Marmite gun but secretly I think a lot of people, when they see one, would love it in their collection. I do use mine sparingly and normally shoot a Browning Ultra XTR.
70mm cartridges good quality no problems. Don't forget about the Kirsten bolt on a semi ‐ auto 👌 and I believe Giugiaro designed its looks.
Yes that was the original retail price, that killed the gun more than anything else. That was just arrogance on Beretta’s part. They should have lowered the price, looked after the disgruntled customers and perfected the product and continued selling the gun. It would still be selling today.
Like it - I’ve never seen a break-open semi before, but can see it would stop the suspicious glances people using a “normal” semi-auto seem to get a clay grounds! Looks great as well.
People should not get weird looks for using certain firearms. They’re doing the same thing everyone else is doing, just using a different tool.
@@mr.randomperson9900 Aversion to innovation is a reflex you'll find in literally every niche sport that's been around for long enough to develop its own "traditions".
Surrounding people can’t see if a semi-auto is safe or not. Not everyone is trained like a soldier.
You should find an old Browning Double Auto and test - it was not a break action gun, but the short inertia action and the second cartridge sitting on the side of the action is pretty similar. It was a much earlier gun off course
Not to mention that it also is an extremely soft shooting shotgun. With the handling of a side-by-side.
I almost bought one of these at auction a few months ago but got outbid. I still want one, just because I like odd and rare things and it's a cool piece of engineering.
Isn't this Val Browning's Double Automatic Shotgun just tweaked a bit and updated?
the concept of a break action semi-auto shotgun is stupid, and it's way over-engineered. but god damn does it look cool doing it.
tube/mag feds semi-autos are way more practical for hunting, with way more capacity (a 2 shot semi-auto is just silly), and a good 'ol double barrel is way more reliable, and just as fast to reload, but it looks cool !
what I think "killed" it, is that it's trying to be two things at once, and it's doing neither of them any better than what already exists.
do I love it ? yes.
is there any reason to buy it other than pure style ? no.
One of my all time favorite guns, love the way it shoots. Mine shoots and cycles like a champ.
Lucky man
@@Doommarine91870mm cartridges.
I had the opportunity to shoot a friends UGB and it was a lovely gun to shoot. soft shooting and well balanced. Its as if someone at beretta had decided to make an auto that has none of the autos drawbacks---with the break barrel its easy to see its safe and the way it gently "poops" out the empties in front of you so no fear of pelting the next guy in the squad with your empties. Sadly his gun broke and there is pretty much no support for spares on these so instantly became a wall hanger.
the UGB was named after Ugo Gusali Beretta, which is why it had to work as they couldn't release a gun named after a member of the family and it not work, as soon as it did work then they stopped making it.
Armalite had a 2 shot semi-auto shotgun in the mid-60s called the AR-17. The spokesman for it was Robert Stack because the AR-17 was marketed to skeet shooters.
Not sure what's more controversial, the Beretta or those red trainers 😂
Definitely the runners
I know which one I would rather own.
I Think This Thing Is Really Cool, But It Leaves Me Questioning, Why Would You Use This Over An Over under?
I remember when these first came out and were in the Beretta booth at the larger shoots. Honestly, thought they were weird as hell. Never messed with them at the time.
Having shot one of these and messed with it a bit since though, they are certainly both neat, and do shoot quite well. Sort of shockingly well actually. I don't think we got it to run 1 ounce light loads well unless it was really pulled in tight and lubed up. My 1 1/8 ounce light reloads seems to run fine. Factor 3 dram 1 1/8th ounce loads ran without an issue. Kinda sad they didn't make them for long, they are interesting and there part of me that likes having a weird gun at the range. Lord knows it sometimes gets boring seeing a rack of nothing but krieghoffs where I am at.
LOL I Just pictured the looks of disdain from Krieghoff and Perazzi shooters. I used to love putting my 11-87 Trap or Beretta 390 super trap next to 10-20,000 Dollar trap guns and watching their owners cringe.
@@richardsveum8452 Coming from someone who owned a Krieghoff, naw, the 390 and 391s were always pretty well regarded. I still look around hoping to stumble on a good deal on one for.... well reasons. Now, them goofy perazzi shooters, they might take offense at another pizza blaster being on the rack with their guns. lol.
I mean, a tube mag does the same thing for cheaper. This looks cool though which is probably the selling point. I'd imagine this gun is also annoying to use during a trap league since you can't catch your shells and need to pick them up. A semi auto shell catcher for a normal gun is $10 but probably doesn't work on this thing.
thats true but for a left handed shooter a shell catcher is really a pain. even so, just getting a left handed gun would be more economical than this but I really like Ambi stuff
Theoretically could you load the chamber, then always be able to just top up that side shell holder?
I've ALWAYS wanted to try one of these. Thanks for showing it off.
Johnny, what's that stuff on your face?? Did you pick up a lazy habit when you were here in America last time?? Lol.
Love your channel and content. Hoping to see some more coaching type videos with Mr. Solomons. You've helped my sporting game quite a bit.
BTW, that's a very interesting shotgun.
As someone who loves firearms with strange/complex actions I can see my self getting one if I could afford it.
To me, this is just a less attractive ar 17.
Semi auto, but ONLY two shots? Pfft, get yourself a nice SxS/OxU shotgun. Much better, and less complex. Hell, it'll damn sure be more reliable.
The trap version is far better being adjustable in every way also I was told it was renamed ultimate gun beretta after the 1st batch which I also owned failed 😀 now had 3 2 where absolutely fine still own 1
Just stumbling onto this video. I have the Excel Trap and love shooting it. I obtained it well used (and abused) and aside from having to replace a broken spring it has run flawlessly with every cheap load I have given it. Until this video I never even knew it had a reputation for poor reliability. One thing to point out around recoil is that there was an optional kit to install an internal inertial buffer, pretty much a counterweight on a spring inside the stock. I sourced one piecemeal over a few years and can't say that it improved recoil but it changed the feel and added almost an AR-15's spring noise to the action while firing. Definetely a lot of "new" in this gun. Sadly I don't shoot it as much as I'd like knowing I might never find parts for it if something else fails.
Calling THIS masterpiece a BAD gun? My man, I suggest you google/watch in RUclips about a gun called RB-12, it’s a Russian shotgun made by some lunatic, who hoped it would go mass market. After this video you’ll never call any gun BAD until they really are 😂😂😂
Definitely mechanically interesting. Also I don't see what you mean by military look. the m500 and M4 shotguns we had don't have barrels like that they are more simplistic and lightweight.
I'm in love. it looks like the youngest child of a big family going through an emo phase and trying to differentiate itself from the others. Looks unique while still retaining most of the functionality, though definitely the complicated design can't be as reliable as regular break-open shotguns, but i don't care. I want this niche beautiful ugly duckling
It's like Beretta wanted to make a more complex and fragile take on the Armalite AR-17, which also had extremely limited market appeal. Hell, and that wasn't even a break action.
Perfect gun for Countries that want to severely limit mag size for scary semi autos... Yes looking at you Mr Trudeau grrrr. This would skirt that nicely and no need for a mag plug when hunting. If the side load mag could've been extended for an extra shell then even better. I think it's kinda cool.
No. As long as you live in a world where Calico Arms exists, or for that matter the "Zip-22" this thing is NOT the worst gun in the world. You just admitted your knowledge level. Fancy pants.
I was super confused why a two-shot break action would be considered 'semi-automatic' for a bit there.
I am a gun lover..(of course otherwise I wouldn't be on this site). I feel bad talking negative about this gun because I love berretta guns for they simplicity and performance. just looking at the over and under slim line skull, witch means straight recoil and therefore quicker second shot requisition, and less head hack. like with they culinary..... simple, healthy and tasty. But with this gun......"what were they thinking?????". at the very end, it has only two shot, and if the charge is weak it won't chamber the second shot. Any over and under will shoot anything and as fast as this monstrosity, with faster reloading...... :(
Too old for this "innovation". That is one butt-ugly gun. Having never shot (or seen) one, it would be interesting to know just how much it reduces recoil over the popular Beretta A400. If you find one, you can probably pick yourself up an old Studebaker on the same website.
I can see why they cancelled it, a bit of modification and a few manhours later, you got yourself a tube magazine and probably 12 rounds of lethal 12. gauge.
Well, for $3000 USD, I can see one issue right there. Needing to load it just right, use the right kind of ammo, better off spending that money on a good over-under than on a fussy semi-auto.
But I do like it, and would want one... but not for $3000.
My question is, why would they design it such that I'm required to perform 2 completely different actions in order to load 2 shells? If they just wanted a single barrel, in a break action design that could fire 2 rounds, why not make it with a magazine tube? That way it feels just like an OU when loading but only has 1 barrel.
"shooters are conservative"
Coming from someone in the country where over 50% of all man-portable guns in existence currently reside, this is incorrect. Rather, the upper class concentration of gun ownership in Europe(outside of Switzerland and to a lesser extent Finland) has rendered it's gun cultures stodgy at best.
I love the way it looks. A break-open semi-auto shotgun with a capacity of 1+1. It's mechanically interesting. The "magazine" is on the outside and you get to watch the shell move. Does it offer any sort of advantage over your conventional double-barrel? Not really. Pure novelty. Really cool. Feels video-gamey.
with all the clays and all the ducks, I have shot with my Mosburg 835 I really have to wonder what is the point of spending more than 500 U.S. dollars on a shot gun for clays or hunting. I can see reason if you can or need to shoot more than three rounds going into the 700+ range for defensive guns or three-gun match guns.
$2,400 for a shotgun. I don't know how you guys do it. They're just tubes to me. Cool system, though. I entertained buying one until I heard they were more than $500.
Gun design peaked in the 60s we've just been slighlty improving the manufacture now
Seems to me they wanted a good Trap Semi-Auto Shotgun but more unique then the browning Twelvette and browning 2000 shotguns. the break over part throws me off as it seems drastically unnecessary.
Absolutely love mine!!!
As you say cartridge fussy but as long as you feed her quality carts it’s absolutely fine!!!
That’s one gun i’ve always wanted to try it would be great if Benelli or beretta could come up with a gun like this again with a conventional loading port in a 3 shot or more !
But then it wouldn’t be ‘like this.
@@johnnunn8688 pretty sure you could make something better with a bit of time and effort !
3 shot sounds a bit low. I'll take 8
This gun was expressely made for clay shot, so it intentionally only had only two rounds, to have the masses very centred (no second barrel, no tubular magazine).
HELLO
I am big Brain engineer from Beretta
You misunderstood concept of gun
You are supposed to link shotgun shells together
It basically is first belt fed shotgun
I searched this gun mid video hoping it would be cheap as an unpopular, discontinued gun but I was rudely surprised by a $4,000 price tag
I can understand completely people being unhappy paying so much money for a gun to not work perfectly. If a $500 shotgun can run any shells you can find, one that costs thousands plural should definitely have a high degree of reliability.
I always liked the idea of those. Back when I was dumb and big in to trap, I saw an old man on the line with one. He was a big asshole and didn't have much to share about it (trap shooters...big surprise), and no help. Guys complain about reliability, but it's an inertia gun and needs some break in! Shouldda been a gas gun...nice review, thank you!
LOL 2 SHOTS THROUGH THE SAME BARREL ... THERES GOES THE 2 CHOKE TUBES ADVANTAGE OF THE 2 BARREL SHOTGUN ....
Thats not the worst gun. We all know what the worst gun is.
If you havent guessed the "zip .22" your uncultured.
Looks like your shooting that better the longthorn
I owned one in 2014-2016, never again. The development (or marketing) team never asked, why this kind of gun is needed?
You didn’t like it?
@@tgsoutdoors The difficult constrution of the gun made the cleaning quite tricky. When you were shooting like 400 shots in a day, you really needed to clean your gun every day. I bought the gun just because I was mostly interested in the mecahnics, and I got it just for 600€. I didnt have the actual need for sporting shotgun, but for that price its (just a bit) better than Baikal IJ-18. The clay shooting was fun, but with Saga 24g trap shots it wasnt working as it should. It was fine gun with fine wood stocks and everything, but it wasnt a gun made for everyone.
I think what killed the gun was stupid gun laws. Depending on where you live getting a semi-auto is much harder than getting an over-under or side-by-side.
And then two rounds of capacity limits the use of the gun basically to trap, skeet, or hunting. Not that someone could have come up with some new sports, but no need for that in IPSC or anything where you need a lot of ammo and quick reloads.
I want one I love shotguns. , I have a lot of different kinds. Like my old shooting partner used to say. If you're too sick to carry a 12 pound gun around you need to go home. God bless And God R EST his soul.
Interesting video
I had a Browning Recoilless Trap Gun
That was also a strange trap gun
It tried to get rid of the recoil
But mine had problems , so I sold it and went back to shooting my 686
nice beard... for a ginger LOL
As a guy who understands things like a low bore centerline, recoil impulse and paranoia at a shooting range, that could well have been a winner with a little more of an elegant exterior and some refinement. But it wasn’t going to impress anyone other than a top level competition shooter so it needed to be a top level design that was highly customizable for the end user and 100% reliable. The average recreational shooter isn’t likely to appreciate its potential benefits. Back before market share and profitability became everything, I think the right company could have made it a winner fifty years ago. Today it either needs to be elegant for the discriminating sportsman or tacticool and being a double shooter only, no chance the tacticool crowd is going to be interested
Is it me or this is just your standard mag fed shotgun but on sideways, holds only one in the clip......and is break action. Jokes aside, i think the design is based on thought of having lesser weight and barrel than your standard Double (Side by side or over-under) barrel shotgun but could still shot (only) twice and has the access (because of the break action) to use larger shells when needed.....i guess.
UGB actually stands for ugly gun Berretta. That being said I love mine. Great semi for left handed shooters. You soon get used to the release lever with either hand. Bought mine in 2013 and never had a problem with it. I shoot 10 sets of trap twice a week.
Wasn't expecting to see Shotgun Prince Harry today but here I am. Is Meghan working the pigeon thrower?😂
How about a Browning Double Automatic review? Even better would be a side by side comparison!
That is a very odd but very interesting shotgun.
I've never heard of a 'semi-auto break action shotgun'. If I had, I would have thought you were mad for saying it. But I'd love to shoot it.
I think the point of that second round shelf-thing is that you load 2, fire one, reload the shelf, fire one, reload the shelf, and so on.
Of course, when you're shooting clays, that feature is useless.
From an engineering perspective, this is super awesome and so different. Thats exactly why I want one!
I think thats a super cool shotgun.
as for trap shooting. I cant imagine a sport where you have a potentially $10,000+ gun and it just gets legislated out of existence because now you need to have a break action or whatever and therefore likely completely destroys its value as well since its not really a gun for anything but trap shooting.
This is like... something I'd think an Alien would make after being told what a shotgun was.
I work at a trap/skeet range and one of our fairly regulars brings this with him and he was kind enough to let me shoot it. Ever since then I’ve been completely enamored with it
So its a break-open semi-auto shotgun with a magazine size of 1....thats kinda fun actually
The idea that a $2,000 shotgun is not overpriced is crazy
You must be new here
Interesting idea; reminds me of both the DB-12 trigger system and the AN-94 action.
Actually, not so much either of those by the end of the video.
Beretta made the Pico 380...
It cant get any worse. What an absolute pile of garbage!
$2,400 is NOT my idea of an affordable or reasonable price for any shotgun.
So why'd they make it a break action? From an engineering standpoint i see no reason for it, if you can just load the first shell into the breech by putting a bolt handle on the bolt like any other semiauto. The external "magazine" is neat, but the break action just feels unnecessary to me.
Need to increase the round capacity and reliability of it and beretta could sell a million of them to the police and self defense market in the USA. For a hunting gun I would want at least three shot capacity and for self defense at least 5 rounds magazine capacity. Low felt recoil is a most usable asset to any gun.
Maybe an innovative group like keltec could do it.
well it's only and sole purpose is clay shooting, and at that i think it's pretty darn great. low recoil, low weight from having a single barrel, ... pretty neat at what it's made for imho.
Hey man, thanks for your video, what cartridge do you recon should be used best for this gun ?
love the early access H3VR content showcase, keep up the good work
I could've use normal over and under shotgun, what's the point of this? Look interesting though.
So can you just keep loading the second shot over and over without having to break it open?
I am assuming yes but I don't think I saw him do it.
Semi auto shotgun with 2 round capacity? What's the point of the semi auto action? Why not just make it an over-under?
As soon as i saw how this works i couldn't help but think what benefits does this provide over a sect 2 semi automatic?
I disagree with the "two shot" designation because it looks like if you keep feeding the clip thing on the side it'll just keep eating shells and belching lead.
Its kinda Krag-ish and I like the concept.
Three grand, that's about 2 oz of gold, and half of them don't work. No mum...
Never seen it but before probably its just for urope market it's cool
Not sure how useful but for collection and showoff it's must have ..
As someone who as only ever heard about guns I think for it's purpose it seems there is little need to use anything but the two barrel setup. mean if the shells stay in the gun until you pull them out you don't have to worry about them beeing ejected while shooting.
Also the gun having a breach and a sideloading function adds too many moving parts.
Dude spends 2500usd ona gun that no one likes
COPIUM
It's always hard to know is it a good gun or a good shooter. Not to be a spoil sport but I always bring this up when firearms cost $1000 or more.
Very good video as usual. Love it 👍👍
Let me get this straight. This is a semi-auto shotgun that only holds two rounds and each one of those two rounds needs a different action to reload it?
But WHY? What was wrong with a double barrel?
If it had a box magazine on the side with a lot more ammo in it it would make sense.
I cannot see the sense in wasting a semi-auto action on a gun that only holds two shots.
remove the second round holder, put on a magazine lock and presto, 6-8 round side fed shotty.
What a needless excercize in engineering.
It just shows as England falls apart there's people looking at this half over and under auto fairly dangerous to me with a exposed shell how much is it
Two shot shotguns in general are the most useless fucking things on the planet. For the same price, you can get a 5+1 pump action.
Imagine to instead having one cartrigde to go, you have a cartrigde belt, you have a machineshotgun!
I worker for the New Zealand Beretta Agents when this gun first came out in prototype form . I enjoyed shooting DTL with it as I could stand with the shells in it and just close it like a under/over , not having to wait until it was my turn to shoot to put the shells in and not having to unload the unfired shell kept the rhythm of the squad moving nicely along . The problem was I only have 2 hands and taking the gun apart was just a confusion , then again it was a prototype .
I don't see anything wrong with the gun, I actually love this one for its absurd way of loading