If an engineer is not presented with a suitable problem, they will create their own. Edit: I would also like to say how impressed I am that people are *still* showing up to 'um, acktualy' what is obviously a joke, 4 years later...
@Daniel Mc Dowell maybe a bit more like an engineer comes up with a great concept and then a grafics designer tells them their boxy piece of shit car isn't going to sell, put it in this shiny pretty plastic piece of shit, and the next three years are spent trying to come up with weird workarounds for problems that shouldn't exist bloating the original concept until it weighs three times more or needs to be entirely redesigned.
Engineers have some shocking and alarming blind spots in their common sense and knowledge. I worked for a commercial printer that printed damn near everything for Pratt & Whitney from their internal material inspection forms to engine manuals to convention posters. Most of what we printed for them was ordered by engineers in their different facilities. These engineers are supposed to be some of the brightest people in the world designing shit for civilian use and our military. They could redesign a new jet engine in less than a week but they couldn't figure out how to use the website we designed for them to order from which was so simple and clear that my great grandmother who remembers when they rolled out electricity in our area could operate it. There seemed to be a direct correlation between how complex a challenge was and their ability to solve it. The complexities of a new jet engine - no problem. Sending an email order through a purpose designed website - fucked them up.
@@LordPadriac you just made great example of a thing called SPECIALIZATION. The engineer who designs a jet engine might not be able to operate website, and the web designed who designs a website might not be able to design a jet engine. What seems like easy, run-of-the-mill stuff that should be obvious to anyone seems easy to *you* because you've SPECIALIZED yourself to that particular niche, and likewise the jet engine engineer would shake his head at you for not understanding the easy, run-of-the-mill obvious stuff that goes into jet engines, something that might as well be elder magic to you.
@@Warhamer116 Exactly, the whole country is specialized now. Its sad but if your resume makes you look like a jack of all trades, the employer will assume that you arent good at anything....even though have multiple disciplines in your background can improves common sense and makes you see and solve problems that the specialized people are blind to. I think its funny how things have changed. They used to say you lacked common sense if you didn't know how to properly butcher a hog, or tie bowline knots, overhaul a tractor engine. Now you have no common sense if you don't know how to click buttons on a digital interface in the proper order. I work at a lock and dam/hydroplant facility. They are adding an additional lock chamber as a sister chamber for towboat traffic. The old lock was built in 3 years before computers with pencil and paper. The new one is going to take 20, they are halfway done, and the part of the old lock dug up from the 1940's looks like its built twice as well as the new addition. Engineers used to do a little of everything, now you have a safety engineer, a fastener engineer, a concrete engineer, a blueprint engineer, an electrical engineer ect ect ect.
Making a mod for Fallout 4 or some would probably be easier, as opposed to making a whole ass game. Be good practice too. Lots of indie devs these days started as modders for some game or another.
love how they put wood even on the breech block. Whoever designed this probably had a wood paneled house, a wood paneled car and probably lived in the 1950s
*Gentleman's waterfowl gun. Shooter kept his eye on birds but rested gun under his right arm while assistant opened breach and fed barrels from behind him.*
As a trap shooter I love the design. The curvature in the barrel of a shotgun is quite clever. I would love to see a modernized take on this, with some serious thought towards recoil compensation. This looks like it stopped at the prototype phase when it dislocated the shoulder of the inventor.
Same beautiful gun but idk how you'd ever avoid getting hurt if you had a catastrophic failure. I've never seen a gun where you lay your head directly over the Chamber. I mean the cheekweld is right at explosion point maybe even in front so a bit worrying
As a farm boy playing around I learned that a downward curving barrel with round ammo will put a backspin on the projectiles. A backspin creates an upward curve of the shot while in the air, allowing longer shots. Since it is a 10 gauge I would guess it would of made a wonderful goose gun for the size. A lot better then holding up a super long heavy double barreled gun.
@@fwoibles honestly their Lever action semi auto rifles pissed me off. even worse are the shotguns that are be obviously break barrel but somehow magazine fed
@@rmblwgn well thats what happens in a game where the majority of the weapons are computer generated with a mash up of parts randomly until the game can recognize it for you to find and use
@Angry Combat Wombat yeah, but if the path of least resistance is too much, that barrel's going to blow. This is a fairly gentle curve though, so I dont think it would stop per se, just slow down
First time I've actually seen Ian slightly mystified when describing the uniqueness of the curved barrels...wish the original builder could see his face...bet he'd be proud.😁👍
I have a hard time thinking that’s a 10g doesn’t even look like 12gauge I first saw it thinking it was 20 or 16 gauge at best 10 gauge would rip off that flap
Even tough the whole idea of the bullpup is to put the fireing mechanism begind the trigger none have been able to bring it back as far as this thing has.
@@jonasstrzyz2469 So like move the barrel off the bolt? that will be incredibly inaccurate and it would kick like a son of bitch on full auto, having the barrel slamming forward and back.Its been done on a nonbullup and it sucked lol. Something has to move to allow the bullet to be extracted.
When I first watched this on Full30, I was wondering where the bottom barrel's breech was since the top barrel's breech looks near the top of the butt of the stock. I didn't expect the gunsmith to literally bend the barrels.
This is absolutely brilliant. It adds a backspin to the shot which actually drags a cushion of air to ride on as it flies. This makes longer shots easier
Well, problems only exist because solutions don't exist. The fact this weapon existed. It is because it solved some problem. Yet not the right problem.
@@SonsOfLorgar If you like something like this Lorgar but want something with more than 2 shots, look up a Cosmi. Although they are very expensive starting at like $10k for a used one, they are a shotgun I'd love to have. There is a tube in the buttstock (though loaded like a regular pump shotgun, but pushed back not fowards) for allowing for a lighter fore end for better following shots.
@@LittleBrotherSeymour They hand him the BB Gun, he stands still for a second and turns around to a nonexistent camera and starts explaining it's intricacies.
This might be the weirdest gun I've ever seen and I love it. I really wish we knew more about the person who made this and their reasons for making this.
The one time that I'm actually interested in seeing him disassemble the gun he doesn't. Usually I'd rather he just talk about it and then go shoot it but this time I really wanted to see those bent barrels.
That is so unique i was blown away by the rear loading mechanism in the stock , but when u point out the curved barrels that just took the piss, "wow "who ever designed and created it is definitely abit of a genius and literally wanted it to be different then anything els on the the market available, talk about reinvent the wheel and do it well
Man, a gun like this would be SO perfect for roe deer in Sweden. There are many times when I wished I didn't have to tote a full length shotgun through dense young woods.
Very interesting. The only time I had ever run into a curved bore was with a "rifle" at an arcade in Munich at Octoberfest. I never would have believed it would be possible to shoot through a curved barrel had I not experienced it first hand. It was intended to made even the most skilled competitor miss all of the ducks. (yes, Germany and yes real firearms at an arcade). As soon as I picked up the rifle I noted the ever so slight curve to the left and with a little "Kentucky" windage won my girlfriend a huge teddy bear. Halfway through shooting the man running the arcade took the rifle briskly from me, inspected it, shook his head and roughly returned it to me. My girlfriend had no interest in the bear so I gave it to her sister.
I think Ian mentioned it towards the end of the video (I was reading comments by then lol) but in WWII, Germany trialed some *_very_* curved barrels on the StG-44. And by "very", I'm talking 90°! Albeit, done through a long, sweeping curve... 😊 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krummlauf
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When Ian was listing the things he didn't know about the gun, I kept expecting him to say "I don't know why". Perhaps having the center of mass located at the wrist might make it very easy to swing to aim. Or perhaps the inventor just liked making weird guns which is something I totally respect
I like that the latch would be pressed directly into your shoulder when firing. From an engineering perspective, the only part of the gun that can open is being held shut by the process of firing it. That's neat.
WOW! That's spectacular, be a brave person that buys it and puts a couple of shells through it for the first time, two loads of buckshot going off in the crook of your neck and shoulder. Wonder if it's someones garden shed design or it a proper gunsmith made it?
Especially given that it is 10 gauge. So some pretty darn big booms going off pretty close to your face. That breach had better be rock solid and air tight.
Goat Boy, same as if it was going off in a normal gun between your face/hands/arms. And if it did have a carostrophic event, it opens upside down, so it would all go, largely harmlessly, down below your armpit... hopefully
Y'know its funny, I had a similar idea, bullpup double barrel, and had drawn up some kind of design that hadnt stuck to any standard of gun form, standard for a sxs that is, so seeing this is super cool, and to say the least, has me inspired again might try to revisit the sketch and look further into it, amazing video as always
DemoRanch has tested this theory before and nearly got a .357 Magnum to go through a severely curved metal tube, so depending on how you mess with it, a curved barrel can be not only extremely dangerous (depending on the way the barrel points) but can also be completely functional.
my guess why this is a one off, after it broke the shoulder/collar bones of the first 3 people that fired it they thought not better to put it into production
My guess is this was made for clay pigeon competition shooting, with an emphasis on being able to very quickly pivot your aim due to the center of gravity being so far back and the front end being so light. In practice though I think shooters somewhat depend on the heft of the gun to make their movement smooth and avoid over-correction
This is way late however depending on how often a person shoots it they could get used to the the weight difference. Of course that could affect accuracy when shooting other firearms. My best guess is probably for someone who is disabled/has less grip strength in one hand. Weight is in the back and one could pin it between legs to reload. Keep in mind I partially got that idea from another commenter.
Thinking outside the box? Nah... someone threw that silly box away, pissed against a brick wall, and made a FASCINATING shotgun that seemingly has not killed anyone who has shot it. Now that's ingenuity...
To show that he‘d have to completely take the gun apart and then it might he impossible to put back together. This thing was definitley not meant to be disassembled... ever.
@@nick0taylor I'm also quite interested in how the trigger mechanism would fire the cartridge - but thinking about it there are things Ian might have been able to show without disassembling it. The firing pins have to be in the breech block; right?. And that's the bit that pivots up - which means the trigger linkage needs to be exposed, somehow, when it's open. My guess is the linkage somehow use the two holes you can see in the block that sits between the two chambers at the rear. So pulling the trigger while the breach is open might show us something (though that divider block does seem to move rearwards a little when the breach is raised; which might prevent the trigger mechanism from operating unless it's closed; though is it moved mechanically or by spring pressure? Pushing on it might reveal that) And flipping the camera around to try to show the breech faces should also show what those two divider holes might match up with. Then there's the question of how the firing pins get cocked; though I'd venture another guess that the level which unlocks and beings to raise the breech might also cock the firing pin strikers or internal hammers.
Oh, the joys of having a shed. Or, in the US, the joys of having a garage. You can make things like this. Looking at the quality of the woodwork it struck me that it has been adapted from an existing gun. Also at the beginning of the video I did wonder about it having curved barrels unless there was something I missed. It would be interesting if the maker could be found, who knows with the Internet, as it would be fascinating to learn more about it.
The one with the breech blocks that swing out to the side, right? I wanted that thing so badly! It sold for a relatively small sum considering how unique it was!
@@ZombieWilfred I've been scouring the auction houses hoping, praying it'll turn up again. I'm not even an over/under guy, but I'd buy one of those in a heartbeat.
I don't think so. Most barrel length laws a fairly new compared to how old this gun looks. To me it looks like a gun made in 1920-50 (I say this due to it being a 10 gauge and the ware and tare of the gun its self) and given that to my knowledge most barrel length laws came atleast in america around the 60's.
Short barreled shotguns were placed under the tax stamp law with suppressors, machine guns and short barreled rifles in the 1930s. The definition is 18 inch barrel and overall length of 26 inches.
Lol the barrel not being strait was all I could see. I was beside my self that you hadn't mentioned. I was so relieved when you finally brought it up at the end. Seriously I was like wtf the angles dont work. Maybe for 1. But 2?!?!?
A reality where you can buy a gun from a vending machine. They probably come with some kind of magical enchantment and fire a unique or obscure cartridge that would make it a pain in the ass to reload or find ammunition for
You know that thing dogs do with their heads when they don't grok something, twisting to one side and then the other? I was doing that all the way through this video.
@@bluepegasus1322 It's a word from Robert Heinlein's *Stranger In A Strange Land*. It means, literally, "to drink deeply of" in Old High Martian. A meaningful translation is "to understand fully". It's made it into general American English among those who read science fiction or are into gaming or RPGing.
@@markfergerson2145 Huh, I'd heard it before, and understood through context, but it was always one of those strange but familiar words. I don't think I've read Stranger in a Strange Land since high school, 20+ years ago. Thank you. It makes sense now that I think they had Amy use that slang in Futurama, since she was a human born on Mars.
Hey Ian. Research the machining techniques and the fasteners. Huge clues there. Just from what little can be seen in the video, to me it looks late 1800's or early 1900's. What machines were used to shape the parts, How were they used. When were those machines and techniques popular. Especially that action lever. Very unique. Very time period specific. You will find it on a variety of hand tool of the period. The fasteners will also give a boat load of clues from their style, and how they were made (when, where, how, US, Europe, etc.). Every action taken to produce that weapon leaves a mark/ tell-tale clue. Good ol' Forensic science. Much of the information is there, we just have to recognize it for what it is, and hear the story its trying to tell us. Maybe it won't give you a definitive answer/s, but it will narrow the mystery.
@@maxman1244 Might be the reason for 10 gauge...but we won't know until we see it fired. Whoever buys those...I'd make a video about it. Even if you don't want to be seen, let someone else do it, wear a mask but get the info out there.
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It can be used as a paddle, a flotation device, and sometimes even a shotgun.
I rather not use it as a shotgun
Made by mida
i really doubt that this thing even floats
@T REX mayby, mayby it can float then, but i still wouldn't want to try it out
This killed me 😂
If an engineer is not presented with a suitable problem, they will create their own.
Edit: I would also like to say how impressed I am that people are *still* showing up to 'um, acktualy' what is obviously a joke, 4 years later...
How did the engineer fix his constipation?
He worked it out with a pencil.
@@schrodingersgat4344 why have you done this?
@@austinm.9832 It's an old joke ,Sir; but it checks out.
If it ain't broke, FIX IT
Hah yup. Love your Red pfp btw
• over under Shotgun
•weird funky design
•presented by Ian
Yep, today is a good day alright
Why I watch
And .... Half life 3 confirmed...
@@Montageproduction123 Its not HL3 sadly, its some kind of watered down VR experience I think.
Amen brother!
@@TheArchaos it's their flagship vr game, it's gonna be good, and deffo not watered down.
Customer:Can't you just make the stock straight?
Engineer: are you insane?!
sore loser: I can imagine Gene Wilder as the engineer and Richard Prior as the customer lol
@Daniel Mc Dowell maybe a bit more like an engineer comes up with a great concept and then a grafics designer tells them their boxy piece of shit car isn't going to sell, put it in this shiny pretty plastic piece of shit, and the next three years are spent trying to come up with weird workarounds for problems that shouldn't exist bloating the original concept until it weighs three times more or needs to be entirely redesigned.
Engineers have some shocking and alarming blind spots in their common sense and knowledge. I worked for a commercial printer that printed damn near everything for Pratt & Whitney from their internal material inspection forms to engine manuals to convention posters. Most of what we printed for them was ordered by engineers in their different facilities. These engineers are supposed to be some of the brightest people in the world designing shit for civilian use and our military. They could redesign a new jet engine in less than a week but they couldn't figure out how to use the website we designed for them to order from which was so simple and clear that my great grandmother who remembers when they rolled out electricity in our area could operate it. There seemed to be a direct correlation between how complex a challenge was and their ability to solve it. The complexities of a new jet engine - no problem. Sending an email order through a purpose designed website - fucked them up.
@@LordPadriac you just made great example of a thing called SPECIALIZATION. The engineer who designs a jet engine might not be able to operate website, and the web designed who designs a website might not be able to design a jet engine. What seems like easy, run-of-the-mill stuff that should be obvious to anyone seems easy to *you* because you've SPECIALIZED yourself to that particular niche, and likewise the jet engine engineer would shake his head at you for not understanding the easy, run-of-the-mill obvious stuff that goes into jet engines, something that might as well be elder magic to you.
@@Warhamer116 Exactly, the whole country is specialized now. Its sad but if your resume makes you look like a jack of all trades, the employer will assume that you arent good at anything....even though have multiple disciplines in your background can improves common sense and makes you see and solve problems that the specialized people are blind to.
I think its funny how things have changed. They used to say you lacked common sense if you didn't know how to properly butcher a hog, or tie bowline knots, overhaul a tractor engine. Now you have no common sense if you don't know how to click buttons on a digital interface in the proper order.
I work at a lock and dam/hydroplant facility. They are adding an additional lock chamber as a sister chamber for towboat traffic. The old lock was built in 3 years before computers with pencil and paper. The new one is going to take 20, they are halfway done, and the part of the old lock dug up from the 1940's looks like its built twice as well as the new addition. Engineers used to do a little of everything, now you have a safety engineer, a fastener engineer, a concrete engineer, a blueprint engineer, an electrical engineer ect ect ect.
If i ever get around to making a game, I'm putting this in.
No you wont
Call it a chairgun
I see this as a mid-level quest reward/ dungeon loot unique weapon
Isaac Burgoyne It's a Level 10 hand grenade
Making a mod for Fallout 4 or some would probably be easier, as opposed to making a whole ass game.
Be good practice too. Lots of indie devs these days started as modders for some game or another.
love how they put wood even on the breech block. Whoever designed this probably had a wood paneled house, a wood paneled car and probably lived in the 1950s
Sounds suspiciously like LGR(Lazy Game Reviews), if that guy could have a wood veneer on his sandwich, he'd eat it.
And wood paneled trees
PsychoLucario family sport wagon from vacation.
Or bought a Morgan, and had a wood framed car 👍😆
I didn't make this... And there can't be 2 of us!
Looks down barrel-
"There appears to be a bore obstruction...oh... the bore IS the bore obstruction."
Lmao
Brilliant comment. I laughed.
*Gentleman's waterfowl gun. Shooter kept his eye on birds but rested gun under his right arm while assistant opened breach and fed barrels from behind him.*
svtirefire reminds me of this “Hmmm the floor here is made of floor” meme
@@javidmirza4584 "I used the bore to obstruct the bore"
They've got curved barrels...Curved...Barrels..
I mean... For a shotgun it might work entirely...
I wonder if the creator was a Redguard
Something, something, knee.
Straight barrels are for chumps!
In totally unrelated matters; does anyone know how to remove buckshot from feet?
Evgeni I understood that reference.
As a trap shooter I love the design. The curvature in the barrel of a shotgun is quite clever. I would love to see a modernized take on this, with some serious thought towards recoil compensation. This looks like it stopped at the prototype phase when it dislocated the shoulder of the inventor.
Nice critical thinking skills u got there lol
Same beautiful gun but idk how you'd ever avoid getting hurt if you had a catastrophic failure. I've never seen a gun where you lay your head directly over the Chamber. I mean the cheekweld is right at explosion point maybe even in front so a bit worrying
@@Mibit911 tavor? or many bullpups?
Unique? Sure. Clever? Uhhhh
@@Mibit911just put a thumb in it.
As a farm boy playing around I learned that a downward curving barrel with round ammo will put a backspin on the projectiles. A backspin creates an upward curve of the shot while in the air, allowing longer shots. Since it is a 10 gauge I would guess it would of made a wonderful goose gun for the size. A lot better then holding up a super long heavy double barreled gun.
Wow, what a brilliant insight!
I doubt that all the pellets would gain a backspin when shooting but this at least explains the concept
@@mpbiggame1010 This is actually the principle behind airsoft guns that lets them keep accuracy over distances up to a few hundred feet.
Skill issue
@@purestench9263What is a skill issue?
Ah very true, I've never gotten a more tired forward arm than after a day of skeet shooting. Those old grandpa hunting shotguns sure aren't light
The one time it pays to be behind the curve.
Nice
E-P-I-C
Just did a rimshot for ya.
@@NotOneOfUs 🤣😂😜😆😁😄🔞
A+
This guy was really thinking outside the stock
🤣😂😜
Or rather, *inside* the stock.
Good one.
Stop its Not even funny
The person who designed this was either a lunatic or a genius, maybe both.
Inevitable Decay - Most geniuses are a mix of both. It does not however go the other way.
Or they were a dangerously bored gunsmith.
A bright idiot possibly
There’s a fine line between genius and idiocy...
I like to use that line as a jump rope!
just a lunatic
"Jakobs ...family owned and operated for over 300 years."
Yeah half their designs aren't even functional. Learning about guns has ruined me
@@rmblwgn shhhhh... i dream of revolvers with massive blades attached
@@fwoibles honestly their Lever action semi auto rifles pissed me off. even worse are the shotguns that are be obviously break barrel but somehow magazine fed
@@rmblwgn well thats what happens in a game where the majority of the weapons are computer generated with a mash up of parts randomly until the game can recognize it for you to find and use
Haha yeah this is a jackobs shotgun lowley
Kel-Tec would totally make a trial run of these.
Fingers crossed
I’d snatch one right up
They'd be largely polymer though
I'd totally try one.
@@fixerupperer You mean plastic. Don't try and church it up, boy.
"I don't know who made it, and I don't know where they made it."
But do you know why?
To kill god.
Answer: Because why not?
That's all the reason an engineer needs.
He wanted a sight rib.
To get the longest possible barrel out of a convenient, well balanced package.
sCieNcE iSn'T AbOuT wHy ItS aBoUt WhY nOt
Methinks this came about as a “hold my beer” moment
"Methinks"
And probably made by one/two guys in a shed somewhere.
@@MrVinnyme i believe he meant : " my silly ass..."
This has that look like somebody was showing off
Verily!!
Curved barrels: For when you're more a plumber than a ballistics guy.
Some people saw off their shotgun barrels to make it fit, so why not just bend it instead.
@@nehcrum I don't think you get it...
HE , MANN ;) das ist ein guter hinweis :D
HE, MAN;) that's a good hint: D
On the contrary, this could be made specifically by a ballistics guy trying to leverage the magnus effect.
Woe to the guy who tries to fire a slug through this thing.
Just buy curved slugs. Duh.
Look up 'krummlaufe', its an attachment for an STG-44 thats basically just a really long barrel bent at a certain angle.
what's worse is that the most likely failure point looks to be right where you would put your cheek for a sight picture.
exactly my thoughts lol
@Angry Combat Wombat yeah, but if the path of least resistance is too much, that barrel's going to blow. This is a fairly gentle curve though, so I dont think it would stop per se, just slow down
First time I've actually seen Ian slightly mystified when describing the uniqueness of the curved barrels...wish the original builder could see his face...bet he'd be proud.😁👍
Maybe he can! Sadly, I doubt it myself.
To the person who made this: You've confused an engineer and historian.
Well done.
By the way, Ian forgot to mention that the "10" stamp on the breech meant that the gun is chambered in 10 gauge instead of the usual 12
Good observation.
Damn, that would be serious recoil.
@@kirbyculp3449 10 gauge isn't much worse than a hot 12 gauge
I have a hard time thinking that’s a 10g doesn’t even look like 12gauge
I first saw it thinking it was 20 or 16 gauge at best
10 gauge would rip off that flap
I knew it
Even tough the whole idea of the bullpup is to put the fireing mechanism begind the trigger none have been able to bring it back as far as this thing has.
The only way to go further back involves surgery on the shooter's shoulder to make it part of the gun.
That because a bolt needs room to reciprocate on a semi auto...
@@SlyPearTree So you can load the shotgun shells into his shoulder muscles
@@randylahey2242
Blow-forward?
@@jonasstrzyz2469 So like move the barrel off the bolt? that will be incredibly inaccurate and it would kick like a son of bitch on full auto, having the barrel slamming forward and back.Its been done on a nonbullup and it sucked lol. Something has to move to allow the bullet to be extracted.
At first look I was wondering how barrels are aligned in stock.
thought the bottom barrel was straight and the top one ended before the grip
When I first watched this on Full30, I was wondering where the bottom barrel's breech was since the top barrel's breech looks near the top of the butt of the stock. I didn't expect the gunsmith to literally bend the barrels.
Same
Yeah .. when Ian said at the beginning that the barrels go all the way to the end of the stock I was like "no way in hell" ...
Would a thumbhole or pistol grip design have solved the problem?
C'mon Ian, you can just tell us you built this when you were 16, we won't judge you.
This is the gun version of having a terrible OC drawing phase
oc dont stel
@@j.o.d.mercer7519yea preatty much, most bad pre-teen ocs tend to have some good ideas executed badly
I would... very positively...
This is absolutely brilliant. It adds a backspin to the shot which actually drags a cushion of air to ride on as it flies. This makes longer shots easier
Have you seen anything else like this? This conclusion is brilliant
Does anyone else want to see how this gun function and shoot?
I ain't shooting it, and I'm the guy who shoots the guns my friends are scared to shoot :)
@@mazkact what a strange flex...
@@Daplin1 The system of lockup has me concerned.
@@mazkact low brass only, uhm way low brass. Lol
@@NicktheMac Mini shells + birdshot. Just in case and you still should see how well it performs.
The true horror is what this looks like as a sawed-off
Especially considering you could probably trim it back to just before the barrels bend
And you could get it pretty short with it being legal too
@@patricknaughton6636 People wondering why you're effectively carrying the stock of a shotgun around.
then in becomes just a stock with a trigger xd
A boom stock instead of a boom stick?
Love it
a solution to a problem that didnt exist?
madness or genius .... who can say
Well, problems only exist because solutions don't exist. The fact this weapon existed. It is because it solved some problem. Yet not the right problem.
@@SonsOfLorgar If you like something like this Lorgar but want something with more than 2 shots, look up a Cosmi. Although they are very expensive starting at like $10k for a used one, they are a shotgun I'd love to have. There is a tube in the buttstock (though loaded like a regular pump shotgun, but pushed back not fowards) for allowing for a lighter fore end for better following shots.
@@Qardo The history of firearms development is full of examples of solutions in search of a problem.
@@tommyblackwell3760 very true.
Non existent problem: exists
Nazis: "it's free real estate"
That isn’t a gun, that’s a fancy 2x4
it's a 2x4 with extra steps
Purple Gladiator this implies that a 2x4 is a shotgun.
@@MK-gb7ht It can be if you want it to
@@MK-gb7ht you clearly don't try hard enough
2x4 with pluming pipes going through
ian's only ever seen two guns with deliberately bent barrels. Never been to a 'fun' fair then
But those are "accidentally" bent....
For a second I thought you were gonna make a dick joke.
Usually they just bend the sights.
I think you'll find Ian brings his own guns 👍
@@LittleBrotherSeymour They hand him the BB Gun, he stands still for a second and turns around to a nonexistent camera and starts explaining it's intricacies.
Ian been bringing us the strange boom boom for years.
Balanced right on the handgrip pretty sweet
Its balanced like a bird gun.
This might be the weirdest gun I've ever seen and I love it. I really wish we knew more about the person who made this and their reasons for making this.
reasons are the same as any bulpup except for skeet/bird hunting id imagine.
The one time that I'm actually interested in seeing him disassemble the gun he doesn't. Usually I'd rather he just talk about it and then go shoot it but this time I really wanted to see those bent barrels.
Yeah, guessing the wood paneling seemed to wrecked to remove without damaging it.
@@Gerniaz I mean, besides the bits he showed off it's probably basic shotgun stuff.
@@jabloko992obviously not
That is so unique i was blown away by the rear loading mechanism in the stock , but when u point out the curved barrels that just took the piss, "wow "who ever designed and created it is definitely abit of a genius and literally wanted it to be different then anything els on the the market available, talk about reinvent the wheel and do it well
Final there's the shoulder thing that goes up I've heard so much about.
And a barrel shroud! This THE gun!
@@atthebrink74 b-but Biden said to just get a shotgun....
Bruh I'm dead. Missing the "30 caliber clip" though
@@TheSpecterRanger A little tape could fix that though
Omg your killing me
Oh man Ian this is why Forgotten Weapons is and will ever be the Best Fierarms Channel. I you hope find out more. Super cool!
how the hell does your comment say it was posted a month ago?
@@MetalGearSEAL4 maybe he releases them early for patreon?
@@MetalGearSEAL4 I had early early access to video thoughts Patron.
oh makes sense lmao
@@MetalGearSEAL4 20 bucks well spent
And lo Gun Jesus did proclaim: "If thou should invent an unusual firearm thou shalt inscribe thy name upon it for all to see"
"And a date and a town would be nice too."
..and he saw that it was good.
Could be under the wood somewhere.
*Praise Him*
*Blank* wuz here, deersigned dis dem furarm.
Gun Jesus: "this is a double action Bullpup-"
Brandon Herrera: *heavy breathing*
Brandon hates bullpups
@@nuhur6920 He hates bubba bullpups
Re: thinking “outside the box....”
Just like the spoon.
There is no Box.
and the barrels, like the spoon, are bent.
Man, a gun like this would be SO perfect for roe deer in Sweden. There are many times when I wished I didn't have to tote a full length shotgun through dense young woods.
Very interesting. The only time I had ever run into a curved bore was with a "rifle" at an arcade in Munich at Octoberfest. I never would have believed it would be possible to shoot through a curved barrel had I not experienced it first hand. It was intended to made even the most skilled competitor miss all of the ducks. (yes, Germany and yes real firearms at an arcade). As soon as I picked up the rifle I noted the ever so slight curve to the left and with a little "Kentucky" windage won my girlfriend a huge teddy bear. Halfway through shooting the man running the arcade took the rifle briskly from me, inspected it, shook his head and roughly returned it to me. My girlfriend had no interest in the bear so I gave it to her sister.
That's amazing. Germans suck; beat them at their own game.
I think Ian mentioned it towards the end of the video (I was reading comments by then lol) but in WWII, Germany trialed some *_very_* curved barrels on the StG-44.
And by "very", I'm talking 90°! Albeit, done through a long, sweeping curve... 😊
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krummlauf
I'd love to see how the triggers/firing pin works
I presume that it is striker fired. As for the details, I do not know.
I second that motion of seeing its insides!
Same here, I'm really curious about its inner workings. I would have loved to see it taken apart.
Yeah, I was kinda disappointed that Ian didn't show if the triggers were actually attached to the action.
This is literally the definition of reinventing the wheel
And i absolutely fucking love it
As soon as you said "The breech is here" I thought, "there's no way those barrels are straight..." Still an amazing piece of firearms history though.
I was trying to figure who the trigger mechanism fit under the barrel.
at 3:00 you can see how this project is actually a spoon holder that got a bit out of hand..
Slice of Bread nice. I had to go back and look. Observation skills spot on.
I went from FPSRussia, to Demolitionranch, to Iraqveteran8888, to Hickock45, but now, this is by far my favourite gun channel. I am in the middle of a busy move right now and i should'nt be spending time online, but i still can't stop watching these. Ian you are a great man, thank you for all this really high grade content. I slurp it up, I am going to watch everything you have ever put up. Peace from Denmark
the guntube pipeline has got to be the most stable and sane pipeline in the internet.
@@robinthrill3r7 Dude fell off hard. Went from making cool gun videos to telling made up stories about his time in prison.
I highly recommend garand thumb and Kentucky ballistics
Do you see the light in Ian eyes when he describe the moment of the discovery, that's magic xD
When Ian was listing the things he didn't know about the gun, I kept expecting him to say "I don't know why". Perhaps having the center of mass located at the wrist might make it very easy to swing to aim. Or perhaps the inventor just liked making weird guns which is something I totally respect
"Hey Mike, we kinda accidentally bent these barrels. Can you do something with them?"
Mike: "I have an idea..."
I like that the latch would be pressed directly into your shoulder when firing. From an engineering perspective, the only part of the gun that can open is being held shut by the process of firing it. That's neat.
WOW! That's spectacular, be a brave person that buys it and puts a couple of shells through it for the first time, two loads of buckshot going off in the crook of your neck and shoulder.
Wonder if it's someones garden shed design or it a proper gunsmith made it?
The shot would be in a wad wouldn't it?
Especially given that it is 10 gauge. So some pretty darn big booms going off pretty close to your face. That breach had better be rock solid and air tight.
Goat Boy, same as if it was going off in a normal gun between your face/hands/arms. And if it did have a carostrophic event, it opens upside down, so it would all go, largely harmlessly, down below your armpit... hopefully
Y'know its funny, I had a similar idea, bullpup double barrel, and had drawn up some kind of design that hadnt stuck to any standard of gun form, standard for a sxs that is, so seeing this is super cool, and to say the least, has me inspired again might try to revisit the sketch and look further into it, amazing video as always
DemoRanch has tested this theory before and nearly got a .357 Magnum to go through a severely curved metal tube, so depending on how you mess with it, a curved barrel can be not only extremely dangerous (depending on the way the barrel points) but can also be completely functional.
my guess why this is a one off, after it broke the shoulder/collar bones of the first 3 people that fired it they thought not better to put it into production
My guess is this was made for clay pigeon competition shooting, with an emphasis on being able to very quickly pivot your aim due to the center of gravity being so far back and the front end being so light. In practice though I think shooters somewhat depend on the heft of the gun to make their movement smooth and avoid over-correction
This is way late however depending on how often a person shoots it they could get used to the the weight difference. Of course that could affect accuracy when shooting other firearms.
My best guess is probably for someone who is disabled/has less grip strength in one hand. Weight is in the back and one could pin it between legs to reload. Keep in mind I partially got that idea from another commenter.
No cleaning that beastie with a solid steel rod, that's for sure.
CAPNMAC82
Inspiration for the bore snake, no?
Everyone: "Curved barrels are a bad idea."
???: "I know what I'm about son."
"Curved barrels are a bad ideas."
Says you.
@@nehcrum Look guys its the man who made the shotgun
"Let's create a firearm that puts the explosion of a round going off right against your cheek."
Hell yeah brother.
One step away from “The Judas Pair”🤣🤣🤣
Much safer to have the explosion just in front of your eyes, like a normal rifle 😂
phillxor Exactly, what’s wrong with holding a 50 cal in your teeth, people are so cautious🤦♀️🤦♀️🤣🤣🤣♥️
Literally any bullpup.
Thinking outside the box? Nah... someone threw that silly box away, pissed against a brick wall, and made a FASCINATING shotgun that seemingly has not killed anyone who has shot it.
Now that's ingenuity...
If this doesn't end up in a video game or movie, it'll be a crime against this inventive genius, whoever that is. Viva the unknown gunsmith!
It would've fit nicely in The Order 1886, with all that wood
The most interesting and cool shotgun ive seen. Thank you Ian!
I like your videos on the old sporting shotguns. I am big into competitive trap. The gun I use is a Perazzi MX 15
I still want to see the 870 mud test.
That is kinda cool ! Imagine showing up at the trap shoot with that ? 30” barrels in an 18” inch fore end
You didn’t show how the trigger mechanism would fire the cartridge
To show that he‘d have to completely take the gun apart and then it might he impossible to put back together. This thing was definitley not meant to be disassembled... ever.
It works using a German engineer and some alcohol
@@nick0taylor I'm also quite interested in how the trigger mechanism would fire the cartridge - but thinking about it there are things Ian might have been able to show without disassembling it.
The firing pins have to be in the breech block; right?. And that's the bit that pivots up - which means the trigger linkage needs to be exposed, somehow, when it's open. My guess is the linkage somehow use the two holes you can see in the block that sits between the two chambers at the rear. So pulling the trigger while the breach is open might show us something (though that divider block does seem to move rearwards a little when the breach is raised; which might prevent the trigger mechanism from operating unless it's closed; though is it moved mechanically or by spring pressure? Pushing on it might reveal that)
And flipping the camera around to try to show the breech faces should also show what those two divider holes might match up with.
Then there's the question of how the firing pins get cocked; though I'd venture another guess that the level which unlocks and beings to raise the breech might also cock the firing pin strikers or internal hammers.
You all laugh until the aliens that only die to wood covered weapons show up just like the inventor of this gun predicted
Then my SMLE should be just fine right?
Oh, the joys of having a shed. Or, in the US, the joys of having a garage. You can make things like this.
Looking at the quality of the woodwork it struck me that it has been adapted from an existing gun. Also at the beginning of the video I did wonder about it having curved barrels unless there was something I missed.
It would be interesting if the maker could be found, who knows with the Internet, as it would be fascinating to learn more about it.
So, does this thing take the title of "Most unusual over/under shotgun you have ever seen" from that Lefaucheux you found 4 years back?
The one with the breech blocks that swing out to the side, right? I wanted that thing so badly! It sold for a relatively small sum considering how unique it was!
@@ZombieWilfred I've been scouring the auction houses hoping, praying it'll turn up again. I'm not even an over/under guy, but I'd buy one of those in a heartbeat.
That lefaucheux is my favorite!!
Yeah
I fucking loved that thing
Your camera shots made it obvious that the barrels would have to bend, or be pointed upwards at a considerable angle. An ingenious idea.
"both barrels are curved"
Engineers: creating problems when there aren't
This needs to have someone bring this back. I would love to have this.
I'm surprised that something like this didn't come out as a means to circumvent barrel length laws
I don't think so. Most barrel length laws a fairly new compared to how old this gun looks. To me it looks like a gun made in 1920-50 (I say this due to it being a 10 gauge and the ware and tare of the gun its self) and given that to my knowledge most barrel length laws came atleast in america around the 60's.
0.0 I'LL BE IN MY SHED BE RIGHT BACK
@@mattheweagles5123 the barrel starts behind the trigger, making it more compact but still a full length barrel, and thus, a loophole
Short barreled shotguns were placed under the tax stamp law with suppressors, machine guns and short barreled rifles in the 1930s.
The definition is 18 inch barrel and overall length of 26 inches.
@@ace-kz9id I assume he meant that something like this didn't come out after barrel length laws, to sort of circumvent SBS laws.
Father, "Ok you the car unstuck but you bent the barrels."
Son, "It's all right I've got an idea."
This would fit in perfectly in a retro futurist FPS game
Lol the barrel not being strait was all I could see. I was beside my self that you hadn't mentioned. I was so relieved when you finally brought it up at the end.
Seriously I was like wtf the angles dont work. Maybe for 1. But 2?!?!?
So, how much furniture do you want on it?
*"yes"*
That shotgun is so cool, it has that Warhammer/van helsing look to it
Looks kinda kroot-y
Amazing how thin the middel bit is. There must be a really thin layer of wood there.
'You see those gunsmiths from Hammerfell? They have curved barrels. Curved. Barrels."
Out of the box , conceptually very interesting stuff.Love the thinking .
I'm sure these guns are everywhere, in a weird steam punk alternate reality.
A reality where you can buy a gun from a vending machine. They probably come with some kind of magical enchantment and fire a unique or obscure cartridge that would make it a pain in the ass to reload or find ammunition for
@@DeNihility the cartidge is curved like macaroni . lol
You know that thing dogs do with their heads when they don't grok something, twisting to one side and then the other? I was doing that all the way through this video.
Grok? What is that even supposed to mean?
@@bluepegasus1322 It's a word from Robert Heinlein's *Stranger In A Strange Land*.
It means, literally, "to drink deeply of" in Old High Martian. A meaningful translation is "to understand fully".
It's made it into general American English among those who read science fiction or are into gaming or RPGing.
@@markfergerson2145 Huh, I'd heard it before, and understood through context, but it was always one of those strange but familiar words. I don't think I've read Stranger in a Strange Land since high school, 20+ years ago. Thank you. It makes sense now that I think they had Amy use that slang in Futurama, since she was a human born on Mars.
Hey Ian. Research the machining techniques and the fasteners. Huge clues there. Just from what little can be seen in the video, to me it looks late 1800's or early 1900's. What machines were used to shape the parts, How were they used. When were those machines and techniques popular. Especially that action lever. Very unique. Very time period specific. You will find it on a variety of hand tool of the period. The fasteners will also give a boat load of clues from their style, and how they were made (when, where, how, US, Europe, etc.).
Every action taken to produce that weapon leaves a mark/ tell-tale clue. Good ol' Forensic science. Much of the information is there, we just have to recognize it for what it is, and hear the story its trying to tell us. Maybe it won't give you a definitive answer/s, but it will narrow the mystery.
On one weapons forum there was a guy from Germany under the nickname "map", if I'm not mistaken. He designed and produced many very similar guns.
Could you give a link or something? Would love to see more of this similar design
Supercool weapon, and kudos to you for both finding it, and sharing it with us.
Thats gotta be a weird recoil impulse
I was thinking the same thing, i can imagine it would feel odd at best.
@@conanholmes8620 and would feel like a missing arm at worst 👀
@@maxman1244
Might be the reason for 10 gauge...but we won't know until we see it fired.
Whoever buys those...I'd make a video about it. Even if you don't want to be seen, let someone else do it, wear a mask but get the info out there.
this really spikes my curiosity to see how well it would perform if it were to be fired
Also what barrel life is like, it wasn't too good on a Krummlauf.
I’m not firearm fanatic, I could mostly take them or leave them. Just wanted to say that your videos, all that I’ve watched (I’ve seen dozens by now) are so well done and so interesting that I keep coming back for more. Thank you for doing such a great job with the research, and truncated & dense videos. Very well done, sir.
this looks like the result of too much alcohol, a carpenter, and some unfortunate coffee table
It's like it was made by a space age alien civilization that also enjoyed skeet shooting
Me on first sight: what is the breach doing back there? The barrel must end half the way back.
The designer: Nope, I just bend the barrel.
A few years back you did a vid called “the most unusual over under shotgun I’ve ever seen”. I think you may have a new challenger for the title.
I think you meant, "thinking outside the boxLOCK."
I'll see myself out.
Wow....
Im a bit upset that i laughed as hard as i did.
I need a follow up video after you do some research and figure out where this came from!!! So cool.
You should try firing a 50 bmg out of it
I thought the bottom barrel was straight and the top one ended before the grip
I need this for reasons
Lol me too
same
I do not need this but I want it. I don't need a reason I have the right to keep and bear arms.
Is this a “cursed gun images” special? 😁
Don’t let Brandon Herrera are this!
This isn't cursed. This is a cool gun and I want one.
No, this isn't bubba made or photoshopped
Probably the stress from firing down a curved barrel is why the wood had to be screwed back together.
@GunJesus @Ian I am an "essential" engineer in SF. I just administer the Kubernetes server clusters, but I have to do it on-site in the hospital because of Federal regulation. Sucks for me, but someone has to do it.
I'd just like to thank you for your amazing catalog, which has been the soundtrack of my life for days now. I can't really watch all the time, but I can listen. I am required to wear some pretty serious PPE, and everything sounds amazing in this respirator.
I am lucky enough to still be working, so paltry Patreon sub coming now. Kudos!