The Ljutic Space Gun (Repost: YouTube cut)
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Al Ljutic (LEW-tic) was quite the interesting character, from his early days as a professional boxer to his selection for the US 1940 Olympic rifle team, to his eventual primary business making excellent high-end trap shotguns. One of the first was a gun he built for himself which wound up becoming the Space Gun. A very unorthodox looking gun, it offered remarkable recoil reduction for a single shot 12ga, as well as a very natural fit and sight picture. Only about 200 were ever made, though, as Ljutic focused instead on his Mono-Gun, which was a much more tradition looking (but no less excellent) design, and which became very popular.
This is Space Gun #107, and we can take a look at the locking and firing system which makes it so comfortable to shoot. Basically, it is a single shot bolt action with a very heavy striker, the forward impact of which counteracts some of the rearward recoil of firing. This is sometimes describes (incorrectly) as being a slam-fire gun...
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Having and enforcing "rules" but refusing to disclose them because then people would adjust to them and follow them is the most coward thing ever.
Listing the rules would hold RUclips accountable for their moderation, so they'll never do it. Too many pocket tyrants working for them moderating out of personal biases; they could never stick to an actual rule set day to day.
They learned it from the ATF
I don’t know if it’s cowardly, but it is authoritarian.
If people knew how to follow rules then RUclips would have to pay the people who create content on their platform. RUclips trying real hard to get as much free labour as possible
It's not just cowardly, it's straight up dysfunctional and idiosyncratic with every business model.
"You're going to prison."
"What for?"
"We're not at liberty to disclose that."
*sad kafka noises*
The English actually used to do this. People would be arrested and interrogated and denied due process at the whim of the monarchy. It was our founding fathers’ motivation for creating the sixth amendment, whereby you are guaranteed to an indictment (being told what crime you are being accused) followed by a speedy trial
Shoutout to Ian for recutting this and not taking the easy way out and just deleting the original video.
This content is a gift to future generations of engineers and enthusiasts.
@@co.1157 archive everything
Sorry, I missed something, what's the change and edit in reference to?
@@meme4one Was filmed at a auction house so any talk of it was taken out and the logo of the auction house was replace by the brown blank area you see.
@@killzoneisa thank you. Another pointless YT rule!
Here here!
If auction houses have to be censored that's going to mean 90% of the FW videos, including the coolest and rarest guns, are going to have to be heavily edited or removed. Tell me this isn't what's happening here??
*History redacted.*
Seriously... wasn't this Rock Island Auction?
Stalinization
@@HarveyDangerLurkerYeah, it was RIA.
IIRC, at first it was just RUclips not liking direct links to auction houses and other gun-related stores in video descriptions and the like, so it was down to them being mentioned in the video itself (e.g. "X is being sold over at Y, go check it out if interested"), but now apparently just showing an auction houses logo is a no-no...
So RUclips can advertise creepy kids products and predatory gambling in video games, but we can't show an auction houss name on a gun video. Love it.
RUclips even ruined the amazing Ljutic. They have gone too far.
What? How so?
It's not about the gun. It's about RIA. I just compared the recut vs the original ( HQpMpWYefyw ) and the only content removed is the RIA related stuff at the beginning and the ending.
Not to worry, it's RUclips; they'll figure out some way further
Its understandable how people blame RUclips but in reality this is not RUclipss fault. RUclips is a free to use service and the way they make money is through advertising. Advertisers are very concerned about about their image and therefore they are very careful about where their ads are shown and guns are one of those contested topics, advertisers don't want their ads to be shown in gun related videos. RUclips must cater to the advertisers because if they don't the advertisers flee and RUclips doesn't get any money. If RUclips doesn't get money from ads they must get it from elsewhere and the easiest way would be to make RUclips a subscription based service instead of free to use. I still prefer RUclips to be free to use instead of having to pay a monthly subscription.
@@lukum55 yeah except RUclips still gets caught playing adds on “demonetized” videos. They just refuse to pay them any of the add revenue
Forgotten Forgotten Weapons
Hold on, they are deleting videos and don't even tell you why? RUclips really needs some competition.
RUclips did not deleted anything. He just reposted again with monetization on. Simple.
yes every time they change the rules the old videos get retro-actively checked and flagged. They have never ever told why anything is demonetized or hidden, it's always a "community guidelines violation"
rumble is the competition are you supporting
Not deleting,. Just demonitizing, thus making them invisible to most people. But yeah RUclips made new rules, applied them retroactively and didn't tell anyone what they are. My guess is they're tryna save some money and decided to screw over creators
because they pretty much have a monopoly on internet videos market.
Just like Microsoft has monopoly on operating systems, Facebook Monopoly on social media and Adobe on graphics software.
they don't have to care and they won't until a serious competitor apears. they know no matter what they pull off we will still stay with them and put up with their shenanigans.
It's a general rule and applies to all business.
I'm sorry. I'm from Germany and we have REALLY tough gun laws. But even I find that just ridiculous. Thanks to Ian for taking it upon himself to edit the videos. Otherwise so many cool, historical weapons and stories would be lost. My greatest respect!
Too bad they're not as tough on immigration as they are at disarming the German people to leave you defenseless for them
It's going to get even worse...I heard they plan to change the Gun law maybe prohibiting everything except air guns. I know it sounds crazy but yout get what you vote for. Green Agenda and Transhumane parties running your country. Greetings from Switzerland.
Our gun laws aren't only tough, they are stupid and tyranical and should be ignored...
At least you're right wing is starting to reclaim the country!
“I wanted to learn how to safely operate a firearm but RUclips said that’s bad”
That’s probably going to be a serious argument a year from now.
Not at all lmfao. RUclips is not a weapons training website. This is capitalism at work, dude. Don't like it? Good. It's a shitty system.
We need to make YT irrelevant a year from now. Go Rumble, Patreon, etc.
youtube does not want you to learn how to safely operate a firearm, youtube wants you to not operate a firearm. ever.
@@Pavia1525 I agree completely but unfortunately it would quite the schwer task.
@@asmo1313 that’s the thing, the current policy’s that we know of right now would only allow you to teach someone about the gun but not how to safely operate it.
That ghostly cry at 03:29 when he mentioned Al's death...
LMFAO HOW.
Heard it also that is creepy cool
@@anthonyhiles4253 it's funny because I know the exact type of construction of building that makes a door hinge squeal like that and an echo ring down the hallway like that. It's a standard government contract building, cinder block walls, linoleum floors, acoustic tile ceilings and fluorescent lights. Metal doors, steel or brass hinges and deadbolts. Probably 40s or 50s era Construction. Basically every Public School and Town Hall in North America fits that description.
@@anthonyhiles4253 my coastal city has a maritime museum that supposedly haunted and it's built exactly like that, and as a kid in Scouts we camped out there for a night. And all the doors sounded exactly like that. I'm honestly surprised that the parent Liaisons didn't try and spook us or prank also, it would have been extremely easy in those circumstances. :P
literally started scrolling to the comments right after hearing it, only to find that hardly anybody is mentioning it because there is so much to talk about with this one :)
Gun Jesus be with you ➕ ➕
ngl the complete wipe of anything RIA is pretty funny
I love that he named it the space gun even he knew it looked ridiculous.
Function over form
Still a badass form tho
Looks like something a Mandalorian might use...
@MonkeyJedi99 Yeah if you were to slap a telescopic sight on this thing it would fit right in with the starwars blasters
@MonkeyJedi99 imo the entire front of the gun looks like the DC-15 rifle from the the clone wars
I was amazed the first time I watched, and am still amazed, that this man's response to not having a shotgun is to make one.
"I'm not borrowing a gun and I'm not making the trip to Sears. I'm a gunsmith and I'll procure my own shotgun."
It's fascinating how this takes the disadvantages of an open-bolt subgun in semiauto and turns them into strengths in a single-shot trap shotgun
Thanks Ian for fighting the good fight. This is history and should be preserved. It's awful that YT is making it so hard for you, but I do think there is value in trying to keep as much of your content on YT as possible due to the audience reach it has.
That said, it's probably about time I make the switch to a more open content platform to consume.
Maybe we should go back to preferring dedicated websites where they can publish wtf they want. I wouldn't mind personally.
2:56 I love that the part of the video that sounds like he was either going to get scammed, or make a terrible business decision that put the company out of business, was actually leading up to how he became so successful that he no longer had time for his oddball pet project.
They apparently made him remove the part where he said you could buy it at auction... An auction that took place 5 years ago.
Clown world.
And remove/cover the RIA logo from the wall.
Infuriating.
Welcome to AI and algorithms
@@MosoKaiser I didn't even notice that. I'd almost rather he make the censorship obvious and attribute it to the censor (RUclips)
Correct. The only things removed is the parts where he talks about RIA at the start and at the end.
Thank you for your dedication to keeping this up and out 'here'. History is worth saving.
The man is strong. I would have done the lazy/easy thing, and left the original on Utreon... free of the nonsense, ever-changing, supersecret, superstitious, crypto-mystical rules they have here.
"Unclean gun video! Unclean! UNCLEAN!"
There will come a time when it won't be worth it anymore, even for Ian. Get ready.
@@LD-Orbs I already dread the day and hour But I acknowledge how tiresome it is to feel as one constantly swim counter to the current, so to speak.
We can only hope we manage to turn the tide (and or current) before it's too late to stop us from going under.
@@LD-Orbsno if they were strong theud keep uploading the original stuff not bowing to stupid youtube "rules"/ the corrupt governments stupid "laws"
@@LD-Orbsalso it is worth it to keep the originals and not comply the reason they keep enforcing more and more "rules"/"laws" is because we dont show them we dont careand just do it anyway instead and follow the "rules" or whatever that will never get us anywhere
At 1st glance it looks so incredibly simplistic. Once its explained how it works and why, it becomes a well thought out somewhat elegant design. I remember when these were introduced and they were very expensive and strange looking but now I understand what made them not only unique but also ingenious
Yes, 'simple' is not the same as 'crude'.
@@jic1 No, didnt mean to imply crude. They were very well made shotguns. Just simple as in very little complexity. However, I later learned there is much more going on than what you can see without handling it.
@@frankbrowning328 I was really just agreeing with your point, not trying to imply that you were trying to imply anything.
I’m an NSSA shooter, and you see release triggers from time to time. The purpose is to correct flinch when pulling the trigger. Personally, I think they’re unsafe. The procedure for a “no-bird” is to point the gun down range and shoot the round since there’s no way to release the trigger without firing.
Release triggers show up a lot in the trap world. On a break open shotgun, it is very easy to clear the gun after you set the trigger. You simply use your non-trigger hand to operate the barrel release lever. This lets the barrel pivot out of the way of the firing pin. You can then release the trigger as the firing pin won't contact the shell. On a semi-auto shotgun, I think they are very unsafe.
How is firing the gun downrange in the direction you would be shooting anyway unsafe? I'm not a fan of release triggers in the least but understand why some people need them to continue in the sport they love. On break open guns you simply open the action and then release the trigger, with some pumps and semi autos applying the safety will reset the trigger a few have a separate lever to reset and some you have the choice of awkwardly ejecting the round or just firing the round downrange in a safe manner. The only sport I've competed in the allows release triggers is American Trap which only allows one round to be in the gun.
@CCW1911 Consider how limited your options become if a person were to unexpectedly be found down range. That pretty much leaves you with keeping the trigger depressed, which keeps the gun about as unsafe as possible, firing upwards, firing downwards or firing around the person.
@@webby2275 Have you ever been on a trap range? People don't wonder out on a trap range, well ok maybe an alien space craft makes an emergency landing on the trap field you got me with that one.
Additionally, you wouldn't actually pull the trigger until you call for the bird...
Every video on this channel is so wholesome in some manner. Only to be wronged by stupid rules that aren't even fully shown
RUclips is destroying itself without realizing it.
Eventually their 301 protection will be taken away and the lawyers will take them down. Class actions out the wazoo. The days of curated social media content are numbered.
You can imagine him showing up at the range trying to suppress a smug grin.
"Where the hell did you get that thing Al?"
"Made it..."
As an avid trapshooter for over 50 years, I had the pleasure of meeting Al and son Joe back in the 60’s and 70’s at the Grand American in Vandalia Ohio. Although the Spacegun didn’t take off, the Monogun was well sought after. It was a beautifully built piece and was often seen on the firing line. Your mention of the release trigger is interesting. It primarily came into popularity to midigate the effects of flinching. Most with this condition would jerk terribly when trying to pull the trigger and not allow them to actually pull the trigger resulting in a missed target. A release trigger did not cure a flinch, but when you did, the jerk would bring your finger off the trigger at the right time usually resulting in a broken target.
A dear, late friend with whom I shot Trap in Hawaii in the '70's ordered a Ljutic single shot Trap gun with a release trigger. It took some getting used to...😊
Imagine being the kind of badass to say, "Oh shit, I don't have a shotgun to bring... oh well, I'll just make one" and come out with something that isn't just a 4-winds.
I had the pleasure of meeting Al in Reno during the mid 80s. He let me shoot one of his Space Guns. I was shooting a Mod 99 Winchester, another single shotgun. And yes, the Space Gun did have a much less felt recoil.
Loved this the first time round, enjoyed rewatching it.
Farquar-Hill?!?
Was the first Forgotten Weapons video I saw, I hope Ian will revisit that one day.
If you're referring to the Farquahar-Hill, he has the original from over a decade ago and one from...a few years back? He looked at it in a series from the Royal Armories Collection, and had two different rifles to compare to, showing development on both.
@Noah Rollins yes that one with an added a and h!
I think I missed that, must look it up.
Thx
Mine I think was the Von Stiegler self ejecting, fell in love with his format and was introduced to a really neat type of firearm that I was unaware of
@@MrEvan312 another one I've got to look up.
Thx for the tip.👍
@@marcusott2973 It's a blast, these EXTREMELY swiss revolvers that are monstrously complex inside but automatically kick out spent cases
I think we need a explanation video, because it looks looks like the edit that was done was to remove any mention of Rock Island Auction from the video.
Yes, RUclips no longer allows promotion of gun sales or gun sellers. Saying that a gun is for sale is not allowed.
Even a gun that was sold a couple of years ago...YT just gets more and more lame...
I think I'll go to the range today instead of wasting my time on YT...
@@Jreb1865 I think I'll join you.
That is really a crappy thing by RUclips. Tsk i cant figure out why are they deleting such precious videos. But anyways, thank you for reuploading
In the old video he explained how you could bid on this rifle at the auction, which is obviously irrelevant at this point, but YT doesn't like anything related to selling firearms so Ian has a humungous amount of work ahead of him editing all the videos he did at auction houses over the years.
Deleted NO
Demonetized YES until edited.
One of my favorite of the unique designs.
I have always wanted this gun....what a work of art and as Ian took it apart I was struck by the genius simplicity of the design...neither over-engineered nor under-engineered it's ...just right! Thanks, Ian!
That is a lot like a sprung sliding pipe gun that I didn't build a decade ago...
It's a boom-tube, and I have not really had a need for sights, general proximity point & click is enough.
"Is that a gun or a walking cane?"
"Yes."
Gun canes are friggin dangerous, cos they are often over a hundred old. There was one at an auction here in the UK, and it went off cos no one had checked it.
@@blackcountryme Holy crap, that’s quite a shock.
@@blackcountryme Proof?
@@bayersbluebayoubioweapon8477 It was in an auction room, it was listed as a walking cane not a gun cane, someone picked it up, if you tilt them the trigger comes out and then can be pulled. someone picked it up and pressed it. was in the local paper. same as sword canes. I think they banned those things.
how do they protect the muzzle? seems like something would be Needed ...
Thats is a beautiful 'Tube'! My favourite part is the 'wood tubes' and how they compliment the rest of the tube.
Something I've always enjoyed about this channel, especially as someone left of center, is that it's remained pretty apolitical in comparison to a lot of other channels that talk about firearms history and technology. It's such a shame seeing RUclips policies making it more difficult for this kind of content to succeed, especially since it's pretty completely benign and a breath of fresh air in terms of how people talk about the subject.
It's hard when leftists go after gun owners for existing. See what happened to administrative results.
@@cassiedoesmusic2606 "I like the second amendment I just don't support the first" This is the same thing the people who doxxed admin said, this is why leftists are never welcome to the 2A community. You support the system's war against dissidents whenever violence happens but instead of disarmament you push censorship with the same talking points.
@@LonginusDlyun cope harder
The furniture on this example is absolutely gorgeous!
Used one years ago... for a few rounds. They are great. Used his mono gun for a few rounds... they are incredible!
That sight rib on the front of the gun kinda reminds me of the star wars DC-15A; it has a similar profile altogether
Pretty sure the DC15A is based on this
@@berbtheherb perhaps some elements, but remember that it is built off the MG-34 like the DLT-19s were in the Original Trilogy
Be me still waiting for Ian to do a Star Wars series of fogortten weapons 💀
So i Am Not alone Here! Neat
I see what was edited/censored. My GAWD, we can't have THAT, CAN we!!!! LOL
At least it's fun to rewatch these classics
Might I suggest future RIA videos that get reissued cover the logo with something that pokes fun at the silly rule.
Ian,
Many lifetimes gone, I shot skeet at the Oak Tree Gun Club in Southern California. Of course trap was the big draw and I actually shot a round or two but skeet was my game. But I digress. On several occasions I saw not one but two Ljutic Spaceguns in the gun racks. Always during trap tournaments. They were a can’t miss item! Interestingly, the gentlemen who owned said shotguns were only mediocre gunners at best. Once I witnessed an informal round of trap where the gentleman using the space gun was not the owner. In four rounds he scored 100 out of 100. Sometimes a good gun just needs to be in the right hands. Those shotguns were strange to behold yet strikingly handsome at the same time. Your specimen is very easy on the eyes. And in the intervening years it has grown significantly less strange.
Thank you for a walk down memory lane. Or would it be a trip down the rabbit hole?
Keep the aspidistra flying!
God bless,
Paul
I originally saw the Ljutic Space Gun in the 1960s, in Gun Digest catalogue section. It always intrigued me, it looked like a Factory made version of the PI Guerilla Gun.
This FW has explained well the principles of action of this SG, nice to know.
DocAV
Still a bucket list item. They were made in Rifle, Pistol and shotgun versions and were in gun books and such many years ago.
Damn that was like 5 years ago when you first posted it
Props to the mysterious boogie man that’s auctioning this off.
Re-liked, just because. Thanks, Ian!
Wow! This Ljutic deserves a medal or award for the most beautiful riffle design ever made.
What magnificent design!
Far ahead of its time
They're really weird to shoot though. Shot one once... Couldn't hit anything
Years ago I went to the local range for a little skeet. The guy next to me had a Spacegun. I was so distracted looking at it that I forgot to load up a couple of times! After the session, the owner held the Spacegun while I looked it over. I was impressed and have watched for one to become available. Alas, so far I've failed.
Lmao he cut out rock island's logo
Great video shame that even keywords in a video can make it hard to monetize in a yt video and they are always changing policies all the time
Wow incredible craftsmanship
Like the finish is so smooth 🤙🏽
Well, one upside of you having to repost these is that I get them popping up in my recommended and I have never seen a lot of them. I will make sure to like all the new ones I see so more people can see them.
It was a pleasure rewatching this re-upload.
Wow. Crazy but well thought out design. It looks extremely well made too.
You've got to be kidding me. It's come down to RUclips not allowing the showing of the logo of a reputable auction house. SMH!!!!
Reposting your old videos helps us users with special needs who have a hard time finding and going thru the older videos. Thanks brother 😊
Very pretty. Great finishing.
at least RUclips didn’t make Ian edit out the ghost of Al Ljutic from the video at 3:28, hahah
I am german and such a gun was shown in a Swiss arms magazine. There was in 1980s an austrian TV Comedy Show,, Kottan ermittelt ' ( Kottan investigates). There appeared a one- legged detective, and author of Swiss arms magazine article thought, this gun would be a good crotch (?) / Krücke for the one- legged detective of Comedy Show.
"Man, what are you doing with a gun in space?" -Armageddon
That is a mind boggling prospect for you to have to re-edit old stuff, you have so many vids.
Interesting trip down memory lane seeing the Space Gun and hearing about Al Ljutic. Al was a very mercurial character whose antics spawned many trap range stories over the years. His wife, Nadine, seemed to be the stable force who kept the company prospering over the years. I always enjoyed my visits to their offices in Yakima all those long years ago. Also, I believe Al died in 2011 at age 94.
Do you have to edit out the RIA logo for every video? RUclips’s rules are the most stupid thing especially if they aren’t published
Thanks for doing your best to share us!
Ww2 was the 1940 Olympics the wildest Olympics ever
I remember these being advertised in Gun Digest in the 70's and 80's
Even though it is on the ugly side this thing is well thought out and executed beautifully. It seems to be very solidly built with good fit and finish too.
Looks like any reference to RIA was cut
Love how the recut was just an oval over what we all know is the Rock Island Auction logo.
„RUclips, stop moving the goalposts!“ *screeches flailing the goalposts*
Side note; would love for you to revisit older videos from way earlier in the channels history with your current setup, quality, and any future knowledge you may have learned on those guns
Fucking YT doesn't even know its own rules; it appears to be wildly subjective, depending on who you get as a reviewer.
You don't even get a reviewer unless you're big enough and already contest the decision at least once. The whole thing is a match stick tower of capricious AI.
@@mzaite fair point
Here's an official resume of RUclips's rules:
Your video will be taken down if:,
1-Someone with money doesn't like it.
2-Some media company doesn't want you posting it.
3-A random RUclips employee dislikes you/your content/your video.
4-We decide the video has harmful content (as for what harmful content is, please refer to rules 1, 2 and 3).
I remember when these guns came out. The brochure showed several different versions.
At the time my friends and I wondered who American astronauts might want to shoot at since space exploration was meant to be a peaceful endeavour. Alien lifeforms perhaps?
It would be marvellous if you could one day do a video on the TP-82 combination pistol which really did go into space many times. It was never intended to be used in space but rather as a survival aid for cosmonauts landing in the Siberian wilderness while they waited for rescue.
Thats what they want you to think. Space is clearly haunted
TP-82 video is long overdue...
New day, new low over at RUclips HQ. They'd sooner "fix" this than the swath of people impersonating creators in attempted scams.
Those scams bring in good ad revenue.
I would almost prefer to see Forgotten Weapons move to a platform that cares about availability of information and historical completeness, especially as RUclips continues to prove that it will not continue to be an internet mainstay in the future.
I've wanted a Ljutic Space Gun in 308 Winchester ever since I saw one listed in Gun Digest back around 1986 or 1987. I thought they were a little pricey back then (Around $1000). I believe the rifles versions were called: "Space Rifles" in catalogs back then.
I got to see one of these "in the wild" back in the mid 80's.
Was wondering what's being changed and the first second in I can already see the R.I.A. sign was gone.
Really? YT!?
As if me learning how to use an incredibly rare gun I’ll never is something RUclips should worry about
I was hoping this was going to be a plasma rifle in the forty kilowatt range.
I seem to recall seeing these in the gun digest several years ago.
"RUclips's new rules... that aren't published."
What is this, a Franz Kafka novel? WTF, RUclips.
RUclips mush have learned how to make "rules" from the ATF.
Thank you , Ian .
🐺
I saw the thumbnail and was so perplexed I clicked immediately
This look amazing, like how they saw futuristic rifle in old futuristic movie/art/comics/manga etc ....
Repost gang
3:30 that sound in the background caught me off guard
After a few fights, Ljutic forgot what a gun looks like and invented a gun
To RUclips...thank goodness for Utreon.
There was also a rifle and pistol that was listed in Shooters Bible in the early 80's iirc.
It's hard to read the unwritten rules. In fact, they aren't even worth the paper they're not written on.
Wait, does YT not like the auction house this was shot in many years ago? Or is my memory bad and was their mark in the upper left always just a brown blob?
Seriously WTF RUclips...thanks for the repost.
What a unique gun. It's actually a good-looking shotgun that also doubles as a walking cane.
The space gun. Out of everything the fucking space gun
So you can’t have a sign or introduction saying you’re at Morphy’s auction house. Interesting.