FG-42: Perhaps the Most Impressive WW2 Shoulder Rifle
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The first production version of the FG42 used a fantastically complex milled receiver and a distinctive sharply swept-back pistol grip. A contract to make 5,000 of them was awarded to Krieghoff in late spring of 1943, but by the fall its replacement was already well into development. The milled receiver used a lot of high-nickel steel which was becoming difficult for Germany to acquire, and it was decided to develop a stamped receiver to ease production obstacles. Ultimately only about 2,000 of the early Type E FG42 rifles were actually made, and only 12 or 15 are registered in the US. They are a remarkably advanced rifle, and extremely interesting.
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The FG42 is fascinating to me for a number of reasons, but I think the most impressive one is the fact it may be the only time in gun development history where a bunch of nigh-impossible specifications were given...and then basically met entirely. That just doesn't happen.
Those are the best ones with a higher probable out 😊
Not only that, but it actually led to a gun that wasn’t a horrid mess
The Cetme rifle was that way too, and it was never even used.
Not really, it was too expensive and complex to mass produce, its kind of an AN90 situation
@@user-nw1je1ur6tyou have to keep in mind it was made for a very specific purpose, making it in the hundreds of thousands when you don't need to is more wasted resources. Of you're talking about the FG-42 that is.
Thank you to the estate of the late owner for allowing Ian to pull apart what is an eye-wateringly expensive piece of history.
Any idea of the number Ks or 10Ks to possess such a rarity?
@@con6lex if you have to ask, you can't afford it. You're looking somewhere between $200,000 and $300,000.
@@tomj819 My first two houses, combined, didn't cost that much.
@@danielburgess7785 now crackhouses go for $200k lmfao
@@solidsnake4167 Time to sell my crackhouse to get an FG-42. Unfortunately it's more of a Crackhome.
For those wondering, Morphy's guide price for this gun is $175,000+. The record for one is over $300,000.
woof.
I'd buy that for a dollar.
Dealer in the uk had both type 1 and type 2 for sale in 2022, price £34,000 each.
yeah it's basically the holy grail of WWII guns. I would rather pay 300k for this than 2Mio for a picture showing a pile of crap
@The13thRonin he’s not talking about the worth of your mom.
12:12 I think there is more engineering in that buffer than in an entire Sten gun !
to be fair there is more engineering in a cigarette than in an entire Sten gun
Many Stens were made by a toy company called Tri-ang and they brought the time to make each gun down to 5 hours!
There is more engineering in the sights for that model FG 42 than all versions of the Sten gun.
the rear sight of a STG57 has more parts than a makarov
The Sten was Engineered ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
An LMG, Battle Rifle, Room-Sweeper all in 1 paratrooper package. A German marvel of engineering, incredible that they met those impossible requirements and came out with such an impressive weapon.
It's almost like an AR15 but the jack of all trades kit :)
And an DMR when equiped with telescopic sight.
It really feels like a step back for the US to capture these, then take so long studying them and not replacing their ww2 small arms, before finally settling on the M14 as the standard issue infantry rifle still supplemented by ww2 carbines and smgs. Meanwhile the same process produces the M60, a resounding success of learning from the MG42 while advancing the concept in terms of weight, necessary ammo consumption, etc. Maybe we could have had a whole family of American side mag fed, angled trigger gripped, early polymer furniture, and smaller caliber FG42 based weapons that may have excelled and been expanded upon in Vietnam, perhaps delaying the M16 coming along.
The Fedorov is the same way but it was developed by the Russians so no one cares, but when Germany does it "Oh wow that amazing Tuetonic engineering!!"
@@fromthefire4176 they build around 7,000 of these, we built over 3 million M1s and 6 million M1s carbines. This thing is a novelty at best for this time period. It's like the Russians with the Fedorov, sure it's a super advanced design and a great package, but they only built like 3500 and it would've been very difficult to make enough for a full size army.
FG42 is a holy standard for every niche branch wanting their own stuff. Being able to divert expensive and rare materials and industry in a time of war so you can get your own cool toy.
Like the navy when they got machine gun muskets:)
and lose the war...
No it isnt, not even close. The amount of materials used in the production of the FG-42 is drop in the bucket. The Tiger II is a far greater example of using expensive and rare materials when they could have produced far more Panthers or even PzKpfw IV ausf H.
I am sure there are even better examples.
If you read the whole story about the FG 42 you will see that it was low priority, which is why, in the grand scheme, there were relatively few produced.
@@cvr527 Yes, but Nazi Germany was just an endless list of drops in the bucket. They had _four_ nuclear bomb projects.
@Clay Ruppenthal I don't think you understand what I mean. I'm talking about having a niche item and having your own supply chain to fit that niche. They could've adopted other infantry arms used by the rest of the German military but they got their own purpose built stuff. It's not like there was 1 tiger 2 and some niche branch got their own heavy tank, you get it? Like say the wehrmacht got the tiger 2 but the ss would have some e100 monstrosity.
In the book "Falschirmjägergewehr 42" by Dieter Handrich there was an interesting paragraph in which the geometry of the FG42 grip was addressed. On additional reason could be, that at the beginning of the war, the german parachutist had to be jumped separately from their weapons. To use the existing transport boxes of the K98 , they had to use this kind of grip.
I've always wondered why they didn't make the grip fold, like those French SMGs. The design of the plastic grip panels almost looks as if there was room for a hinge, and it would save space if the grip could fold back and lie flush with the receiver. But perhaps it would have been too fragile.
Re: transport boxes only fit that grip
Is that a realistic claim?
Modifying a (wooden?) box seems much simpler than compromising the design of your brand- new high tech weapon system.
This was a huge problem for them during the invasion of Crete! Turns out that Greek villagers weren't fans of Nazis paradropping to occupy their homes, and unfortunately for the Fallschirmjager, they were landing defenceless...
@John V Not entirely defenceless. They jumped with MP40s and P38s but in an open field against defenders with rifles they were certainly outclassed.
@@nos9784 Of course its not the main reason. But when you design a product you have to make compromises on many aspects of the weapon.
In the book which i mentioned, it was said, that the grip could try to replicate the grip of K98 which allow better shooting for soldier, which already are practise in the K98.
Also the author claims, that i may also be possible because if the transport boxes of the K98.
From my perspective i think it could be possible because of this. The new rifle (FG42) had a restriction that it shouldn be longer than a K98, what could be a hint of the transport boxes problem.
Designing a rifle which replicate existing weapon practise and allow to use existing accessorises, sounds great.
Often a idea sounds very good at the beginning but then on real practise this kind of design fails and get be changed.
The book from Dieter Handrich is a very good one. I dont know if this book exist also in english.
I never realized how compact the FG-42 was!
The shape and ergonomics are so iconic. I really wish there was a mass produced recreation or reproduction of the fg42. Like smg arms on bigger scale.
Wish it could happen to; I've heard the gun as a whole is really expensive to make though, especially the receiver
TFBTV interviewed a PSA sales rep about their stg-44 repro. The rep gave a pretty good explanation as to why you don't really see too many factory repros on the market.
Not really possible, at least not for any less than the -6k- (edit) _7k_ SMG Guns is asking.
Way too much machining required.
I'd like an airsoft or pellet version, that would be cool.
@@BigWheel. look up "VintageAirsoft" :)
I remember a gunsmith once describing the FG like a modern thorough-bred racehorse whose so muscled up his body can barely sustain it without injury as there are so many razor thin engineering margins (especially for the 40's) to make this gun work.
There are 2 FG-42's in the NZ Army museum, one very early first type and the later type.
in the game Combat Arms, this weapon is classified as a light MG.
on my time playing it, I kept being unable to find a reason for using it, when having other MGs like the M60, the G36 or the K3, that covered pretty much all scenarios: one heavy MG for defense, one light MG for forward support, and a mid point for comfort.
it wasn't until I put my settings fine enough to control recoil, that I could see the pattern in the spread: where other MGs would spread up and down, the FG spread side to side... which made it perfect for low-clearance fire at ground level, or in between bunker shooting slits. So, I started packing this weapon whenever there was trench warfare involved,.... in addition to the M60, and heavy explosives.
wasn't long until players stopped playing those maps altogether.
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My favourite rifle of the WWII era, I'd love to see an episode on the other rifles that competed to become the FG42 one day. Thanks again Mr McCollum.
*favorite
@@Clown_the_Clown both are fine, one is British English, the other is American English.
@@Celene1312 nah
One is English, one is wrong English.
Believe it or not, the guy called "Clown" is wrong.
To do all of this in the middle of a war is incredible. They really took the feedback from users and made the easily one of the best rifles of its day. Probably comparable to the SCAR-H series of rifles in the 2000s.
In my opinion the fg42 is the most versatile and controllable battle rifle every created and would give every assault rifle a run for there money unless running very specific shooting challenges but for war nothing comes close. Great range . Great accuracy. Open and close bolt action. Epic handling for 8mm mauser in full auto. Compact but not to compact. Side magazine makes it so soldiers never have a problem reloading prone. Easy barrel change. The only real down side at all is the smoke that kicks in but i dont think it matters much when in actual war and not skirmishes where position and concealment is a major factor.. body armor isnt stopping this bad boy unless its like the the highest level at great range . Forgot to mention it comes with a flash hider........... Literally a flash hider in the 1942 think about that. Also a bipod that isnt garbage.
@Hunter Senpai hey dude if it were so good it would still be used. Pretty much all of our gear today is better in almost every way than the fg42
@@TannerLindbergthe reason it was t reused after the war is these still cost about 6k to produce. You could make 5 or 6 rifles for the cost of manufacturing one of these
@@TannerLindbergI think he meant it's comparable in what it achieved in it's respective time. Not that it's comparable to today's rifles.
I have something to correct: at 07:12 you say it was done in two parts to be more easy to produce. But there is another reason - the catalog of requirements demanded a shooting cup (Schießbecher) for the german 30 mm rifle grenade. What totally makes sense to give paratroopers something to shoot grenades further then a human can throw.
And these Schießbecher needed to be screwed to the barrel
Nothing quite scratches that itch of Ian talking about ahead-of-the-curve German guns :)
They were high tech tactical for the time period. Bipod as well. Thanks Ian
I'd argue they're still entirely viable even in the modern day. It really is the ancestor of the modern-day "battle-rifle", and I'd in some ways is better than a number of battle-rifles that came far later.
@@RaptorJesus Just sayin', but an M1 Garand is also a battle rifle, and predates the FG42.
@@RaptorJesus If you could mount better optics, have replacement parts in case anything went wrong, and had an ammo supply and plenty of magazines, this would be the Mercedes Benz of battle rifles.
@@josephr.3814 I was thinking more the "fully automatic and fires a full-power cartridge" concept of the battle-rifle. Though I suppose an M14 isn't *that* different from the Garand.
@@josephr.3814 the m1 is not even comparable to this. This is a true full on battle rifle detachable mag pistol grip rail mount for scope. The m1 is just a cool rifle but it’s not revolutionary at all
Ian and the FG-42, a match made in heaven
SSD (Sport Systeme Dietrich) makes FG42 repros but also a modern version called SG 11, 12 and 13. I would absolutely love to see Ian take a look at those.
What is particularly mindblowing is the short time frame in which this was developed. A totally new rifle concept, extremely challenging specifications, and production readyness was reached within two years!
It really is impressive. This is the kind of tech that starts development during a war and doesn't get adopted until after the fighting ends.
Almost as if the Nazis were brilliant and crafted a well running, wealthy and advanced civilization.
Crazy.
Few hundred germans fallscrimjager guys dropping out of planes into your neighbourhood in the 40s must have looked like goddamn space men, coming in on parachutes that werw totaly pretty new age tech for the time, with all their entirely wacky gear, the goofy looking helmet, the wacky toggle lock gravity knife with the spike on it, and a star war space man's laser blaster with an obscene rpm that still gets a bayonet on it, crazy times man
You do not understand! German parachutes (with a single link behind the paratrooper) did not allow paratroopers to have larger weapons on them at the time of the jump. They were usually limited to just a pistol and a knife, the gravity knife being mainly for cutting parachute cords in case they got caught in trees, poles, etc. Their main weapons were parachuted into separate containers, and that was the big problem of retrieving a weapon after landing. That is why they had great losses in Crete when they were also attacked by the civilian population who caught them at the time of landing poorly armed and were able to knock them down with hunting weapons, pitchforks, sticks, etc.
My favorite WW2 rifle
Mine is the AR 47, as wielded by Kaiser Wilhelm and made popular by Kutozov during Napoleon's attack on Borodino.
@@ivareskesner2019 Huh?
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@@ivareskesner2019 lmfao
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Mr. McCollum, I don't really have any personal history with firearms aside from admiring them from a mechanical stand point. However, this channel has become one of my favourites and I just want to say thanks. Based on your communication skills, you must have been fortunate to have had a few good teachers or influences. So, I guess, thanks to them too. All the best.
So true. Thank you for saying it so well.
More FG-42 content. I love it.
Glad you talked about this rifle. I always thought they looked cool
He has a video firing one full auto if you look😁
Why
Das Fallschirmjäger Gewehr 42, eines der berühmtesten Gewehre der Welt.
I'm happy some company actually made replica of this. I hope they make lots of it.
For the price I imagine they would have to charge, I doubt there was a big market at that price point…
@@samiam619 Inflation has really pushed the price up. Last run I believe was $5750 per gun. My gun is about a thousand more. Next production run is going to be $7500 if I recall correctly.
@@nicholasreilly3218 Its not even full auto
@@hellishcyberdemon7112 They made a select fire version, but due to the NFA you would need a special license to manufacture it. Said license is basically impossible for the average person to get and is only available to firearms manufacturers and dealers so they can make weapons for the government.
17:39 "To pick up one of these, and remember..."
Ian is a timeless immortal, confirmed!
Having spoken to Fallshirmjaeger veterans back in the day, they said that the whole "main weapons in the drop canister" thing was largely dropped after the Crete campaign. Canisters were not only dropped in random locations, the rocky terrain of Crete made it that much more difficult to get to their weapons. They started tying ropes to their larger weapons and dropping them just before the PLF... SMG's were sometimes stuck into the parachute harnesses. All while jumping at low altitudes, with no reserve. Those guys were truly bad-asses. Of course, major jumps were also no longer made after Crete (except for the Bulge in Dec.'44), but several insertion jumps like Sicily happened, and company-sized special drops were used in mainly the eastern front to help relieve pockets of troops.
Anyhoo! History :) Thanks Ian for a great look at a ground-breaking weapon! I only had the Japanese metal non-gun replica of this model to admire for a while. I wish I had it handy to compare with your video & see if they got all the internal parts correct.
I had the chance to shoot the FG-2 made by Dittrich Sportsysteme in Germany and it was an absolute blast. This weapon is truly amazing!
@@Armored_Muskrat Crisp, for real! I would use this as a hunting rifle, if I could afford one
(> 8.000€)
Lucky guy. I wish I had that chance, too. Anyway, I had the opportunity to shoot the HK MP5 9mm in full auto. Very controllable, light recoil and accurate. Another superb German sub machine gun best for police use. BTW, Ian always amazes me.
A buddy of mines father was a Colonel with the 82 Airborne during WW2 he still owns a Fg 42 and a Sg44 and a footlocker full of pistols. And a Drilling which I'm the proud owner of now
How old is the Drilling?
mechanically speaking probably the coolest mass produced rifle of ww2, easily in my top 3 guns produced in the war along with the pps43 and stg44
Every time I see this grip angle my wrist has phantom pain.
I don't so tbh I think you are just meant to hold it like a hunting rifle and it should be fine 👍
It probably was designed for firing from the hip.
@@infernaldaedra It's kinda like using chair as a bed - you probably can do it, but it's not what it's there for. For some reason they changed it in later models.
Dosent look to far from the angle on a bolt action rifle.
There is a version of this gun which has a nice pistol grip.
There is never enough videos of this weapon
So if an M-60 is a sideways FG-42 with an MG-42 top cover, that would make the M-60 a direct descendant of the Lewis Gun!? And controllable full-auto from the shoulder in a rifle cartridge remains an impressive feat to this day!
Probably the most assault rifle-like not-assault-rifle ever created
Thanks for giving this absolute gem the attention it deserves.
My Grandpa carried one of these and its about the only thing from that time he remembered quite fondly.
Keep up the great work !
He carried one? As in like was equipped with one? Y'know actually I shouldn't ask.
Ayo?
your grandpa must hear the other grandpa's talking about storming Normandy and be like:"you guys were going UP the hill?
This is a bookmark.
I hope to hear more of this story.
My grandfather was still young, born in 1927. He seems to have been part of the german occupation in denmark for the last bit of the war.
Not too many stories.
Food seems to have been tight, already during training. Meat aspic that was all aspic and a single pig's hair, and sugarbeat leaves as food.
They also stole the truck driver's food on the way to the pow camp. (yeah, riding a truck sounds like nonstandard luxury...)
I really need to kindly squeeze my great-aunt for more details.
After the war, he scrapped and upcycled plane wrecks at a field airstrip near our home. (or, maybe, an emergency landing site)
We still have some stuff made from that... nothing recognizable, though. Just some sheet metal that may have been a bulkhead or skin, and a ~100mm steel sphere that was an oxygen bottle before it got turned into a weight filled with lead.
@@nos9784 Very interesting, and I think the oxygen bottle may have come from a FW 190, it had 9 spherical oxygen bottles that I believe are about 10cm in size.
I can't get over how steampunk and cool this rifle is. It's bananas - full auto open bolt, semi-auto closed bolt. Magazine fed. All that being said, for combat, I'll have a Garand, thank you.
Check out the Lewis BAR
the FG 42 looks gucci as , way ahead of its time in design and vision..
The Battle of Crete showes all the problems of having the main weapon dropped separately from the soldiers.
Quite demoralizing to land and then watch your equipment bundles drift away off to BFE (see Market Garden). Also check out the famous photos of the Crete drop, there is a jumper with a streamer going in, center of photo
@@TomP-nw4wu agreed. Will check out the image. Thanks for the info👍
That... and landing amongst a Battalion of Maoris.
@@TomP-nw4wu large Jumps do tend to have the odd mishaps in the historical images and footage.
The idea of a Fallschirmjäger spinning like a falling maple seed while he tries to fire his FG42 is my favorite mental image of the day
Gloves have been usually used (also by other MG gunner) to prevent burning on hot parts after intensive use.
Your officer yelling fix bayonets has got to be absolutely terrifying knowing it’s the last ditch effort. Not that it wasn’t already before. Like the charge of the light brigade, just running or riding face first into almost certain death
Bayonets are nesdisiroy last ditch efforts. Fixing bayonets and advancing on an enemy position is a perfectly normal occurence even when you have the advantage. It tends to allow you to take ground without much of a fight as most troops withdraw in the face of enemies advancing with bayonets attached.
For some reason, espeically lesser trained, soldiers fear bayonets more than gunfire. Something that keeps getting proven over and over again. Physiologists think it's an instinctual fear of sharp objects
This is soemthing that happened alot in both world wars, but also in modern conflicts like the British bayonet charges in Afghanistan.
When Ian is being visibly ginger with a gun, you know the price tag is going to be extreme.
yeah, still one of the most interesting and coolest Firearms of all time. :)
I see from a video you made 8 years ago,the later model had a much more sensible pistol grip but gave the weapon a bigger profile.After Crete,there were very few German airborne operations so having a smaller weapon to manoeuvre inside a glider or Junkers 52 was not an issue.
A friend of mine , Roy , hiked from the UK around southern Europe 40 odd years ago working as he went . He ended up in a town in Crete renovating a big old house in the center of the town . At siesta time he was reading a book he had been given days before whilst sat outside the building . He was amazed to find he was sat down reading where the paratroopers had been fighting and only then noticed the bullet holes and other damage around him !
After Crete... Crete was in 1941. The amusing part of the whole FG42 saga was that it was effectively never used in airborne operations because the lesson the Germans learnt in Crete was that airborne didn't work. (Bizarrely the Allies learnt the opposite lesson from the same operation, but there you go).
@@davidyendoll5903 You can still see the bullet holes around the windows of the _Ecole Militaire_ in Paris. In Berlin you can even see the shadows where bullets hit walls, then were stopped by soldiers, then hit the wall on the other side of them.
@David Yendoll The German paras took a real beating in Crete but thanks to their determination and aggression,close air support by the Luftwaffe,and some very bad decisions by British commanders,they prevailed.Although the Fallschirmjager never took part in large scale operations again, they were still elite troops, as they proved at Monte Cassino.
@Paul Davies did they use the fg42?
While Ian is usually gentle with the guns, the reverence with how things were field stripped (or not) was another step altogether XD
Very nice video, thank you.
The concept for the FG42 was pure cojones, as well as the execution.
Respect.
To design a rifle that reliably fires semi-auto from a closed bolt, and full-auto from an open bolt, is an absolute marvel of engineering.
I never realized how intense the angle was on the grip
Can't imagine it being comfortable
The later models had a straighter grip
It's the Chinese Mak90 angle
100% that is totally comfortable
Your hand sets palm on the side and its only about the trigger finger anyway
Years ago, in a previous life, I had the opportunity to fire one of these (at RMCS Shrivenham). It was memorable for being comfortable to hold, easy to fire, controllable and it just felt right.
German paratroopers dropped on my Dad's battalion at Corinth in April 1941. My Dad and his mates were armed with 303s and Bren guns. One dead paratrooper was dragged by his chute into their slit trench. As time passed he was able to count the bullet holes in the corpse. He counted 70 holes - so the guy had been hit at least 35 times before he hit the ground. The moral of the tale - don't jump out of a plane into a dog-fight.
The German paratroopers and glider troops actually did very well in the Greek campaign, Operation Marita was a resounding success. The greatest issue the German paratroopers actually had during the Battle of Corinth was actually when the troops were deployed to disarm the British demolition charges on the bridge over the canal. They had successfully defeated and driven back Allied forces and had captured numerous Commonwealth vehicles that they were using to proceed forward with their mission. While very successful in their operation when they were disarming the demolition charges however they weren’t as fortunate. The someone inexperienced commanding officer on the scene had ordered the charges to be tossed in a pile on the bridge so they could be safely disarmed later, this would prove to be their mistake. There was still significant combat in the area and a stray bullet ended up hitting the pile of explosives and detonated it, killing some men and a war reporter, while also vitally for the retreating Commonwealth and Greek forces, destroyed the bridge. This gave the Allied troops invaluable time to retreat and stopped the Germans for two days and clogged the canal so supplies couldn’t be brought through it for a time. This certainly stopped the Germans from have a total victory and the Allies from being utterly routed and captured. Within the next few weeks the Allies would be defeated with the Greeks surrendering and the British and their ANZAC troops being captured or driven into the sea. Nonetheless the bridge destruction during the Battle of Corinth undoubtedly saved many Allied units from annihilation and capture and allowed evacuation of significant soldiers and materiel.
The engineering on these older guns is absolutely insane.
These guns have been auctioned for over 300K. Curious about what this one will do, I assume less because of the currently missing bayonet and magazine.
Still remains one of the most fascinating guns in form and function all these years later. As advanced for its time as the M16 was.
Having had the pleasure of full auto mag dumps with the 8x57 FG42 in full auto; it is remarkable how low the recoil and controllable it is compared to other "full power" rifles like the M -14 or FN-FAL which are almost useless in FA.
Already impressed within the first 20 seconds of the video. The fact he can pronounce "Fallschirmjägergewehr 42" astounds me
You gotta love that excpect of WW2, the techonolgy they were creating. And sometimes also in what conditions they were thought off/created (during extreme bombing/low points in battles/under siege/cost wise)
German weapon engineers: "So, what type of gun do you require? A battle rifle, a LMG or maybe something for close quarter combat situations?"
Herman Goehring: "Yes"
That this was descended from the Lewis and the basis for the M60 was something I'd never heard and very interesting. Truly original firearms are few and far between, most borrow and modify to fit whatever they are wanting to do with them.
I have a photo of my Öncle Geörg (who died recently) as a Fallschirmjäger in May 1942 with an FG-42, shortly before he was committed to battle in Normandy. His squad fought until they ran out of ammo and food. They saw an armored car coming their way, assuming it was German, and at the last moment saw the white star. Realizing their predicament, they wisely surrendered, and Geörg spent the rest of the war in a POW camp in Texas. Afterwards he was sent to England where he was required to work on a farm for two years, finally returning to Germany in 1947.
Damn good thing he wasn't sent to the Eastern Front where he would have been abused eight ways to Sunday by the dirty Soviets had he fallen afoul of the same situation.
Wtf is a öncle geörg
What I find fascinating about the design of the FG42 is that it combines the same reasoning that led to the assault rifle (greater individual firepower) while retaining a powerful rifle cartridge.
Whereas the StG was developed and used in harmony with the machine gun, and could therefore commit to an intermediate cartridge, the FG42 had to replace the machine gun as well.
Having to fill such a broad spectrum placed a tremendous burden on the design, and as you said, it is remarkable how well it met all these demands.
So.....a battle rifle😂
@@Joseph-mw2rl The FG42 easily fits into the 'battle rifle' category, but retroactively applying such classes misses the original point of the weapon as a purpose-built paratrooper rifle. Besides, the FG42 retains some distinguishing features such as the integrated bipod and ability to switch from closed bolt to open bolt. Both these features derive from the demand to also fill the LMG role, something that was not asked of most battle rifles.
15:50 the sparrow dynamics grip for a AR15 reminds me a lot of the early FG42 grip and both look incredibly awkward to hold on 2
I think almost anyone with knowledge of WWII weapons if they had to be dropped randomly on some WWII front and pick a single small arm to fight and survive, it would either be this or an Stg44, nothing compared back then.
this just looks so timeless and fantastic
Another outstanding video Ian! Thank you so much for taking the time and effort to make them and I can't speak for everyone but I know I appreciate all you do for keeping the history of these firearms alive!
For some context to Ian's mention of Fallschirmjaegers and their lack of weapons on drops, listen to Keith Elliott VC describe how he and his men led "bayonet charge after bayonet charge" into the Germans who had dropped onto Malame airfield in Crete. Sobering stuff.
Fascinating gun. It even uses the basic idea of the bullpup concept to shorten the length.
Thank you Ian for showing us a beautiful piece of history, and thank you for making me aware of this gun, as I would have never known of it's existence without this video
To me, it was the most futuristic looking gun of the war. Performance wise, I'll leave it up to gun Jesus.
This man has been an absolute blessing to us. Been watching for years, thank you Ian for what you do!
Another one I was totally unaware of. Great historical work you do on this channel.
Thank for this great video highlighting this incredible machine gun. Always a pleasure, Ian!
Fun fact: The German heavyweight champion of the world boxer Max Schmelling beat the great Joe Louis by KO and then had a rematch before world war 2, Joe Louis would KO Max in their rematch and he was sent into the German paratroopers when he returned home defeated but he survived the war. After the war he became close friends with Joe Louis and would later pay for Joe's funeral costs after his death as he died broke. Max Schmelling was the best German heavyweight that ever lived and his talent wasn't fully recognised by Nazi Germany. His boxing coach was actually a Jewish man and Schmelling was one of the first fighters to study fights by watching old footage of previous fighters to see little mistakes they made, very scientific fighter. Max probably held this rifle during his service. Love history.
Fabulous information friend
@@robertbernard651 You're welcome, just a little bit of boxing history as I'm a boxing and history nut. Not many men can claim they beat Joe Louis, as Joe still has records that stand today and still haven't been broken. For the most heavyweight title defences in boxing history. And Max beat him in a fair fight and claimed the same title only won by the likes of Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson etc.
He probably not... As by the time FG-42 into service, most of German Paratrooper at that point already fought on the ground and most likely they would carry like most Mechanised infantry unit at that time... 8 Mauser 98K, 1 Mg42 and 1-2 MP40.
@@boocomban Interesting stuff. Considering Max was wealthy for the time, wondering would he be able to buy one within the black market, like he could pay someone who has one a fine sum for it. Not saying he did or anything but it was common for soldiers who had money could buy guns for the added feeling of being more secure.
150 000 Jews served in the German Army, 30 of them as generals, during WWII. Love history as well.
Always enjoyable seeing these rare weapons from WWII and hearing their history ,Thank you
Now this might be the first Bullpup gun ever. It’s a stretch I know, but considering that it has Magazine behind the trigger as well as ejector. It has long gun barrels, despite the profile is actually quite compact.
1st version is aesthetically waaay cooler than ver.2
that pistol grip looks like a pain in the ass. ver.2 looks more handy than ver.1
Type 1 looks a lot more delicate and sleek
Type 2 looks more solid and robust
I'm more partial to the type 2 myself. The wooden stock, the straight grip, the ribbed muzzle brake. Mmm
@@dave_riots I said ''aestethically'', not practically.
i have to disagree, i think the wavy muzzle look so much cooler
@@Sreven199 Ribbed for your pleasure
A brilliant insight into a rare and impressive piece of engineering - thank you
I owned a First Model FG42 thirty years ago and regrettably sold it I wish I never had.
Absolutely riveting breakdown of one of the most interesting gun designs I've ever come across.
Best gun ever. Definitely my favorite gun of all time. This basically has all I could hope for an elegant yet effective weapon combined together in one package. The side-mounted magazine sure is unique, and my favorite configuration since the MP18 from WW1. Damn, these guns look gorgeous.
If I could understand it, the Type E was a more expensive version of the FG42, and the Type G was a more cost effective variant. I really like the Type E more, but some design features of the Type G were very eye catching to me, especially the magazine well of the Type G. To be a full-powered rifle and yet be incredibly controlable is something really impressive.
Too bad this rifle did not see much further development after the war. Focus shifted to Assault Rifles, such as the AKs and HKs, and weapons that took design cues from it were LMGs, such as the Rambo Gun (M60), but no rifle being designed from it emerged afterwards, at least to my knowledge. Too bad, this design had such potential, and it actually could be resurrected as a new modern weapon.
(to any gunsmiths who have the patience to bear with me for a moment)
I would do a few (by few I mean A LOT of rework) design changes to this to make it even better, such as the baynoet being an SKS-style folding cruciform bayonet, the muzzle-break/grenade launcher/ flash hider of the post-war Italian copy of the M1 Garand, the barrel and barrel shroud of the FR F2, replacing the semi-auto with a two-round burst like the AN94, the folding charging handle like in the HCAR, the HK416 buffer tube within the OG stock, an FAL-style gas tube regulator and StG44-style iron sights. Some more aesthetic features of the Type G FG42 would be added, but I still prefer the Type E, and this would be my dream version of it, especially with picattiny rails all around it to use more modern military equipment, such as the underbarrel grenade launcher used in the M4A1 or the Kalashnikov rifles.
Perhaps I would even try to disguise the Bipod in the front of the weapon as an axtention of the handguard, something similar to the Steyr Scout rifle, also mounting the top integral Weaver rail and bottom UIT rail at the forend. Making it look like a Gewehr 43 with a few design cues of the FG42 wold be a top priority for me.
Incredibly innovative, aesthetically pleasing. Such a cool gun!
I just can't get over how compact it is
That grip angle is intense.
Morphy's will indeed do that, they are a class act. They did it for a gun of mine. Found documents months later that went with it and sent it along.
What a timely video. I just got my email from Rick Smith saying my Type II FG42 is in the next batch to be shipped. More coal for the hype train!
I am curious, how long did it take and how much does it cost? His website is a bit janky and I'm not going to email him to ask just because I'm curious, that seems like a waste of time
@@TheFanatical1 2+ years in most cases. He's got a large following and does not need a fancy website to drive business it would seem. Good guy, great product.
@@TheFanatical1 I've been on the list since August 2020. It's been a long while lol. As for how much, the prices have gone up, the base price for my rifle was $6600 (up from $5500 when I got on the list), and expected to go up ($7000+) for new orders due to inflated costs of materials. After tax, shipping, and extra build options the final price I sent a check for was $7151 total.
Yeah, his website is horrible, but he is still in business and taking orders. He's a great communicator as well.
I’ve been on the SMG waiting list since August 2020 for a Type I……getting close, checking my email 5 times a day!!😊
I actually like the website:)
You wouldn’t believe how long I was waiting for FG42 disassembly video. Thank you Ian!
This rifle is one of the standouts in the mid-to-late game stage of Return To Castle Wolfenstein and, appropriately, the first time you encounter (and subsequently appropriate into your arsenal) the FG-42 is on the receiving end from a group of paratroopers dropping in, and it really painfully shows its effectiveness when first used against you by them (of course the game's version is souped up a bit). I didn't know until you mentioned it that it was designed primarily for paratroopers; but remembering that they first showed up in that classic game used by them, is something I find rather cool, since generally you don't encounter paratroopers (and as the player it becomes part of your arsenal as just a great high-rate shoulder rifle with relatively large capacity).
The unicorn of unicorns... Vastly desirable.
The angle of the pistol grip messes with my head, though. I've never held one, but it looks awkward.
Looks about the same angle as a bolt action rifle grip.
First thing I noticed as well. Very peculiar shoulder rest too which looks like it may get in the way of aiming in a conventional way.
Probably helps when you're prone with it and it's probably not as likely to be in the way when you jump.
But thats just my cold hard speculation.
@@WellBattle6 hmmm. Yes. But... There is the mass of the body of the rifle directly above it. Reminiscent of 'thumbhole' stocks, which I *have* handled, and found to be quite awkward.
You hold over the grip so it makes sense to me tbh
I've never gotten to handle or see one in person. I guess I had always assumed it was way bigger along the lines of the other WW2 full power semi autos. At the beginning of the video I actually thought it was a scaled down replica.
Magnificent firearm and review!! Thanks Ian!
What an amazing and innovative weapon. Thank you for sharing this with us all.
I never thought about that having a side mounted mag allows you to make the gun shorter.
A late model fully transferable FG42 with the conventional pistol grip sold at auction maybe 2-3 years ago for like $150k. I think Ian reviewed it here too.
I think it was closer to $250k
If I recall, the original video Ian did on the FG42 sold for like $325k, and the one that he had a video shooting full auto sold for like $250k
@@Sreven199 You guys are probably closer. Somehow 150 is the number stuck in my head.
@@DaIssimo I think that’s what that original MKB42 sold for he did a video on
Half a million this time i think :)
Incredibly cool! I can't imagine how excited Ian was to get his hands on this thing!
wish i had the chedder to snag this bad boy, ive always been fascinated by the FG42. Its the one gun a soldier can use for any scenario that soldier may find himself in.
I think these go for hundreds of thousands of dollars so this video is going to be the closest ill get to one probably.
Very nice of whoever owns this example to let Ian make a video on this, Forgotten Weapons is basically the de-facto video encyclopedia of the modern time.
Such a beautiful weapon. Automatic rifles are really cool. They're like the predecessor to the assault rifle.
Sturmgewehr 44
Think of this as one of the predecessor to the DMR
Let’s appreciate how accurate the SSD made their new typ E. It’s almost exactly the same ( unlike the SMG made). I was just lucky enough to have one, it’s such a beautiful rifle!
Never knew it was that small always looked bigger but sitting on the desk there you can tell it's true size, great video
always a pleasure to have another fg42 video